 And so Yeah, it's I think it may be it may be backwards Yeah, if you flip it over and kind of slide it in the other way Ideally that's coming through on channel one Test one two test one two Chair Muser. We're ready to get started whenever you're ready Welcome everyone It's 430 and I'm calling the meeting of the San Rosa cultural heritage board to order And Can I be up this buck height could I get a Roll call, please Board member boran is absent board member Carney Present board member fennel As present Board member Garrett Board member Klein Remember to use your microphones, please so with the microphone. There's a button in the front that you push When you want to talk and then we have to remember we have to push it when we don't want to talk So that's all new learning curve Board member Klein here and Chair Muser Present let the record reflect that all board members are present with the exception of board member boran Okay, thank you, mr. Puck I and moving on into item number two approval of the minutes And I know we have two board members that weren't present at that meeting But does anybody have any additions or changes or deletions to the minutes from September 7th 2022 and December 7th of 2022 Okay, seeing no changes. We'll have the minutes as read and approved Okay, moving on to item number three public comment This is a time when we allow the or we ask the public If they want to make any comment on just general cultural heritage board related business within the city of Santa Rosa and It doesn't include making comment on items that are on the agenda later This is just if you have something that you'd like to the board to hear This is your opportunity to speak But if it's an agenda item such as the items that we have today, you will get an opportunity to speak at that time as well so Miss Buckeye, do we have anybody who would like to make public comment and also I guess I should ask This a new system. Is this a hybrid system? Do we still also have some public able to zoom in or as well? Okay, yes, we do. It looks like we have one member of the public participating on zoom What we do for public comment is will allow members of the public in person to To walk up to the podium and then I'll ask for comments on zoom Okay So if you're a member of the public wishing to make a comment, please make your way to the podium if you are in person Chair Muser, I don't see anybody making their way to the podium. If you're participating via zoom You can raise your hand by selecting the icon on your zoom screen. If you're calling in, please press star nine Chair Muser, I don't see anybody raising their hands at this time. Okay. Well that I'll close the public comment I I do actually kind of like this hybrid system as far as it will give Operate a lot of opportunity if you can't get away from home, you can still still participate and have an opportunity to Make comment Okay, moving on to item four board business I will give our our statement of purpose The principal duties of the board include Undertaking and updating historic inventories and surveys recommending designation of landmarks and preservation districts reviewing proposed alterations to historic buildings and Promoting public awareness of preservation issues if you are in a historic district or would like more information regarding historic districts Please see the processing review procedures for owners of historic properties Okay, moving on to item 4.2 board member reports So I would like to welcome Patrick Carney and Heidi Clinton Klein thank you as two new board members and As part of board member reports what I'd like all board members to do including myself a standard do some cells and maybe give Briefly why you're interested in being on the cultural heritage board and also What experience you might bring to the board as as as well? so With that if we could start out maybe with a happy or board member Garrett Can I ask too that everybody get real close to your microphones? You can pull them in closer, but so we can hear you better. Can you hear me? I can thank you I'm Cappy Garrett. I've lived in Santa Rosa most of my life actually at this point I Did interior architecture and design for 40 years I Have a background in art and architecture. I Lived in an historic district in the oldest home in an historic district for Over 30 years and just recently moved, but I'm still in the historic district. I think that The historic buildings in our city are We need to be preserved the way they exist currently without many changes because They tell us a lot about who we are and our past and they add to the fabric of our lives and are important to Maintain for a lot of reasons The railroad square historic district brings tons of visitors to Santa Rosa and the various other districts Get a lot of tours and people walking on foot or in in rosy buses or whatever So I'm a real advocate for historic preservation And I've been on the board for Quite a number of terms. I don't know exactly how many Thank you Thank you board member carrot a board member fennel my name is Laura fennel and I am 20 plus years as a real estate agent here in Santa Rosa and I specialize in historic homes. I live in a historic district and I feel like we're at a real precipice with our neighborhoods now and with the the balancing act of moving Forward and also honoring our past and And with my background in real estate and also architecture, I Love this. I love serving on this board and Have been on the board. I think three or four terms now Three or four a long time a while a while. Yeah, so I enjoy this very much and Just love these homes. They're a treasure. Thank you board member fennel So let's go to a board member carney I'm Patrick carney. I born and raised in Santa Rosa I left Santa Rosa go to Santa Barbara UC Santa Barbara where I studied history and public policy and a return to Santa Rosa to go to Empire law I've always been very interested in art and architecture And I think the way policy and history interact is is fascinating And how that actually presents in a physical manner on this board seems to be quite interesting to me, so That's why I'm here. Thank you Welcome And for ever climb I've always been interested in Old neighborhoods older homes and the preservation of it. I've Redone some older homes one was a an old home that was owned by the capitol family and I kept it in that period actually it wasn't a showcase Because it turned out to be you know pretty the yard as well And so when this position came up, I thought this is right up my alley I love love doing this first thing I do is when I travel is go to a museum and Visit the old neighborhoods because that's that's my passion So I thought this was great and to make Santa Rosa As great as a city as it is and we do get a lot of tourists here that drive around So we want to keep a legacy here for for them and as well as for our You know children and for the younger generation for them to see How it was and what the beauty beauty of all those old homes and old neighborhoods are So I thought this would be a need position to be in so much and I'm a Brian user and This is kind of my second go around of being on the cultural heritage board Probably 20 years ago. I was on the cultural heritage board. It's a little less formal at that time, but I I probably My interest in Santa Rosa is the historic neighborhoods probably they the residential aspect of our historic neighborhoods and With that interest I've restored three historic homes in Santa Rosa two in the Cherry Street neighborhood and one where we currently live in the The Burbank Gardens neighborhood So I've kind of been through the whole process. I've been through major landmark alteration permit process. I've been through you know What it takes and trying to get historic materials accurate materials to restore a building back to how it was when it was and and also know that Also, I have the realization of knowing that sometimes you can't get those materials and sometimes you have to make exceptions and And that's where the cultural heritage board kind of comes in is to help people as to If they have to Make an exception for one reason or another how we can make the best choices and the best exceptions for for the particular structure and the neighborhood So anyway, I I enjoy being on the cultural heritage board. I've this is probably fourth year at this go around and I look forward it's wonderful to see us having Pretty much a full board. We still have one vacancy. I'm hoping that vacancy will get filled soon It's it's and I will say to all the board members. It's it's so important for attendance especially for our applicants because What an applicant has to go through to get to see us is Significant and then when it comes time to come see us if they can't come see us because we don't have a quorum because we Don't have a full board It's just it's it's it's really Embarrassing so I hope that you know everyone can do everything that they can to try to make sure that we have quorums for our applicants so Okay with that Do we have any other board member reports just in general? Well, I will close then Item 4.2, and we'll move into 4.3 Which is other board business and we do have other board business at this tonight And that's the election of a vice chair so Typically just is so the new board members know the chair is appointed by the mayor and then the vice chair is appointed by the board members and There's going to be times especially because I live in a historic neighborhood that there's going to be an item within that historic neighborhood That if I'm within 500 feet, I'll have to refute myself. So the vice chair will need to run the meeting and so it's an important position and And so at this time I Would like to Ask if there are any nominations for the position of vice chair Okay Chair Muser, I would like to point out that people may nominate themselves as well So if there's any interest you don't have to wait for somebody else to be nominated You can nominate yourself. Okay. Well, I'm going to go ahead and make a nomination and I'm going to make this nomination is for Chair member Garrett and My nomination is based on the fact of her knowledge and experience and The fact that she's not currently residing within a historic district. Oh, you are okay So she's not residing in the same historic district that I'm residing So we've had situations in the past with with chair member Fennel and I's where both of us Had to refute ourselves because of an item. So I've been kind of sensitive about Trying to make sure that we we spread it a little bit so that the chances of both the chair and the vice chair having to refute themselves so If she'll accept that I I would like to nominate Sorry to interrupt chair Muser, we're gonna need a second for that. Oh, okay. I'll second Thank you. Okay. So there's a second Are there any other nominations? Okay seeing none Then we're ready to vote right Okay, so We could call for a vote. Yes Board member Carney Hi board member Fennel. I Board member Garrett feels weird to vote for yourself, but I Board member Klein I chair Muser I So that passes with six eyes Congratulations Excuse me Lonnie, did you say six eyes? Apologies, let me complete that sentence That passes with six eyes and one absence with board member Bourne being absent. I'm only seeing five We've got one one vacancy That passes with five eyes one vacancy and board member Bourne being absent. Thank you Okay closing a 4.3 moving on to item 5 department report and And this Murray if you would introduce yourself to the board and your background I and why you love being our liaison to the cultural heritage board. Well, I will I'm Susie Murray I'm a senior planner here with the city of Santa Rosa and in addition to that I'm also the staff liaison to the cultural heritage board, which I truly do love I I'm so glad the term user told us how long he's been here because I've been doing this right about the same amount of time So we're on year four We've had a slow start to this year, but I think you're going to see some Some more things coming up soon. There are some some projects in the pipeline right now and I Don't think we'll be having another meeting in May, but I am quite sure we will be having a meeting in in June I'm very glad to see that there was that we are splitting our Chair and our vice chair into separate districts because I suspect that we will fall into that quorum issue again. I want to I want to Support chair Musa's comments about a quorum especially with a vacancy It makes it very difficult, especially when a board member has to recuse themselves because they they live close by It makes it very difficult and we've had some situations where it's a Continuance and other continuance and another continuance and yes, it's embarrassing But it's really not fair to those homeowners either So thank you in advance for just making a point to be here And I will make a point to to let you all know in advance of the meetings when I know they're going to happen Let's see what else can I say? I thought yeah, I've just told you that we've got I think we're gonna see a pickup You'll have your your winter months your down months are done And I also want to point out one last thing there is the flexibility for zoom attendance But that does not apply to any of us so Thank you very much, and let's get on with the board business Thank you miss Murray Would it be possible to add our next meeting to move forward to the agenda? The two items That we've had discussions on well actually one item one item was brought to us from board Fennel and I'd really like to see if we could get that on the agenda again for further discussion and then of course Just checking back with regards to Fremont Park if there's any Any new information there that's kind of a hanging chat also I Will commit to doing my best to get the item that board member Fennel brought up on to the agenda and that was as it relates to code enforcement and and Simplifying I think the process for for residents if nothing else. I'll be able to give you an update And then I will also check in with our recreation and parks department and find out what's going on with the park Thank you very much so item six is statement of abstentions and statement of abstentions is When a board member needs to refute themselves from an item because of Either some form of a connection to the item or even just a physical distance within 500 feet of the item and So tonight, I don't believe we would have any abstentions because we're just getting a presentation But each board member would would need to look at you know items as they come on the agenda ahead of time and And if you've had if you have some connection Financial or business or just location Then this would be a time for that item heat that you would refute yourself And what that would mean is you would leave the meeting and And then rejoin the meeting again after the item is is over Any other comments on that? I'm kind of using tonight's meeting as just an overview process as well And I appreciate that I think it's real helpful And I think until we actually are faced with it. That's when the that's when the lesson will stick So I know we we have what we've had our stumbling blocks here But we'll get through we'll get through those situations and that the discussion helps Nothing to add Okay item 7 consent items. We have none tonight and so then moving on to item 8 which is our scheduled items and So we have one scheduled item tonight item 8.1 the cannery or railroad square and At this time, I'd like to turn this over to Miss Murray to introduce the item So I just want to start off kickoff. Yes There you go I want to kick off this presentation with This is a project that I worked on back in 2019-2020 actually I could think it was all in 2020 and It's it was a project that was approved the cannery project Cannery at railroad square was approved through Senate bill 35, which it was a process that The governor signed a bill that the governor signed enabling very large projects and low-income projects to go through a ministerial Streamline process for review. So what I want to I I I want to really focus on on the cannery project But I I also want Folks to understand Both inside and outside the chamber is that that process wasn't just Planning looking at it and checking off the boxes that included a huge effort On behalf of all city departments really in this project probably more so than any of the others Because of its location downtown in a preservation district with historic elements on the site with you know next to a creek on a Street that was a challenge third Street is a challenge And so there we had the parks department housing department the engineering development services traffic engineering water Building planning. I mean the the list is fire and the list is long and distinguished So we all sat around and we we hatched out problems where conflicts occurred Which is process that usually takes anywhere from six to twelve months sometimes more rarely less and We did this one in 90 days So it was a big hooray for the applicant team who we are grateful for and for our city staff So with that I'm going to introduce Michelle Gervais who I think some of you know And I'm going to let her take it away and I'll get your presentation slides up Thank you so much and Thank you so much Yeah, the kudos for the city staff Couldn't say enough about them because it was kind of a miraculous effort But the good news is that the project had a lot more than 90 days involvement in the community in the city And so I'm here to give an overview and then online Don Lesty who is the director of development for the John Stewart company the managing partners of the partnership and Archive lead architect Mimi Sullivan from Sida Sullivan are here to tell more my part is just to give some background Which is probably most of interest For you all and and having sat it on the day as once in a different board I thank you for your service and I'm very grateful to know our community has in such caring hands So thank you for that so just a bit of background about this project I Think term usually you might have been around when it got an analyzed for partial demolition But just up for the very beginning in the late 90s the last century There was a grassroots community effort to take a look at revitalizing downtown Santa Rosa They hosted something called root at a national program the rural urban design assistance team Cappy was an officer. I think of the committee that hosted these band of experts and one of the they focused on arts and culture and transportation and linkage and food and wine and history and housing and policy that supported all of that and This site was identified as a key site because of future transit reconnection and for Creating a four-street Terminus at the creek that ran from the central business district as they referred to it We call it downtown through the mall to railroad square and to open up the creek and at the time These two buildings abutted each other. There is the the building that's in front of you For a review today that was under construction now And then what's known as the plant five building which had the blue band across the top and they were they conjoined and there was a cannery conveyor belt that ran from end to end and So a fellow named Chris Davies was part of our committee work We're all volunteers at the time. He brought it to the attention of some really renowned affordable housing developers they did a lot of redevelopment of historic properties of Rick Devine and John Stewart and they purchased the property from a local family and Thought they were well on their way to It wasn't intended to be affordable housing at the time. It was actually going to be kind of a The house where Frazier lived, you know, it's going to be a kind of a market rate condominium project that would hopefully start this revitalization effort and In the price it was I don't know if you know, but at the time this building was a five-story building It was really funky five-story building as they went about their development planning Lo and behold things started to show up in the soils that had not been identified and a lot of toxic soil and water turned out their underground tanks that weren't on different sandborn maps and other things and Several million dollars later. It's it was clean At a great right off to the owners personal funds But in any case to get to that cleanup They needed to basically take out the building because they were under the building their old heating oil tanks for cannery purposes and so forth So Susan Clark was commissioned to do an historic report and some of you may know Susan she was very involved in historic preservation and she did a report in 2003 for each of the two buildings and That led to a plan to Partially deconstruct as it was referred to each of both of those buildings and retain the walls that were considered as Contributors to the historic district those on the National Register and so for the building at 3 West 3rd Street That's the building that faces 3rd Street and the one that faces the smart site and then for the plant 5 building It's kind of the reverse of that it faces a smart site and it faces the playhouse So those walls were preserved and the rest was basically scraped out and the whole site was cleaned and And it might be interesting to know that There's been a lot of concern about the stability of those walls So Carlisle may see who's been the civil engineers. They've had a laser beam literally focused on different parts of these walls Since they were deconstructed in 2006, so it's been quite a while The reports were dated 2003 we were before cultural heritage board in 2000 will joint cultural heritage board design review in 2005 and The demolition was in 2006 The project was eventually entitled for housing when I say the project I mean this one of the two parcels So 3 West 3rd Street was entitled for housing in to the December of 2008 and You know what happened with the market after that so it's that There was a lot going on with the smart site and For some years the team was actually the lead developer of that site as well We secured $11.4 million of state grant money to do infrastructure of the smart site and support this project That was one way to get it done. It was kind of a ministerial update of that city application process that really went sideways caught a slap footed and the and the council Decided not to support that Renewal of 11.4 million dollars. So it went back to Sacramento and then the project lay fallow again There were threats of lawsuits and other things because it went to become an affordable housing project The long and short is it's quite a it's quite a dark comedy Some would say or just a tragic odyssey cap. He's nodding. It's very therapeutic for us to have this conversation I'm sorry. It's being recorded, but in any case the upshot is that After the fires in 2017 I called John Stewart and said I know it's been a painful time, but our community needs housing. So please Get get back to work on it And he did he called the meeting of the partners the next week And they started again to figure out how to make affordable housing pencil and And because throughout all this time market rate was just not an option for from a financing standpoint In the meantime, they had dedicated they pulled back the curtain If you will of the plant 5 building to create that four-street corridor that goes straight through to the creek in the visioning was the re Resurrection the only way that comes to mind of the water tower which has been protected on its side for some time And so that is still always been the plan I know it's of great interest to have a water tower back up as a terminus of that vista to the to the creek and And now we have 129 affordable housing units that have been approved and are now under construction for development at this first phase project 3 West 3rd Street, so John passed on within days of the final approval, so super grateful that he got to see that and I think Don and Mimi are online to walk through the project in greater detail and that what's coming next and Also the plans and if you have any questions, I'm happy to have answer those after the rest of the presentation Thank you Good evening. Can you can you all hear me? We sure can and let me know when you want me to advance the slides for you. I will I'm glad you can't see me I feel a little like the Wizard of Oz speaking here, but I'm a good evening careperson and Board members thanks for the opportunity to speak and I want to give a special thanks right on the top To our planner who's you marry you've been great. I've worked in a lot of jurisdictions and I I Wish all the city folks who work with whereas Hotels many of you've been so thank you for all of your time and all of the rest The the request we made there were there were reps and you accommodated and thank you miss out for your 20-year Like commitment to this project as well. I'm glad somebody has that his brand I'm a little bit involved for five years meaning solvent architect and Michelle and then Involved up for the 20 years on I'm glad they're holding the history. You can put the first slide on Thank you, but it this slide shows our development team John Stewart company where I work with developers Side installment solvent are the architects and meaning solubens here Don don't I interrupt you just for a second We're having we're having a hard time hearing you are you are you on a headset by chance I? Am but I don't have a better option. I can call in on the phone number that would be better If it might be better because it's very difficult to understand you What's the number and let me call in because the only other option is talking to my computer which is worse What what's the number? I should call Lonnie. Can you pull that up? Thank you Hold on one sec Okay, okay, so the phone number is eight seven seven Okay, eight five three Five five two five seven Okay, and the webinar ID is eight four three nine zero four six Okay, two two four two Two two four two. Okay. I'll let me dial in right now Okay, Don. I just sent you a prompt You can press star six to unmute yourself. Oh, I'm back. I think can you hear me? Is this better? So much better. Thank you Not all I'm sorry that Couldn't hear me before and I hope you were able to hear me giving a shout out to me for all your help on this project because I sincerely mean that I Susie has been extraordinary in helping this project Just construction closing and also in the thank-you shell survey and Mimi for their almost 20 year involvement in this project I'm sort of the new person on the block with five years on this project And so I'll I'll try to do this quickly and then Mimi can talk to you in more detail about some of the design elements You're probably more interested in This first slide shows the development team Where the developer side in solvent or the architect Mimi solvent is the principal architect who's on the line tonight our in our long-time Civil engineers are Carlisle, Macy. They're our neighbors Landscape design is PG&A PGA mid-state as our construction Contractor we're using a firm called life steps for services, which we've used on a number of projects and then we of course have approximately 14 million dollars and in local public funding and You know upwards of 60,000 excuse me 60 million dollars from the state you can show the next slide Are you there Michelle? You hear me? We're working on it Okay, sorry. I didn't know As Susie said we were entitled in the fall or summer of 2020 We weren't able to start construction till over two years later really based on our Funding issues. This is a 95 million dollar project and it takes a lot of subsidy To construct these projects because the whole point of these projects is to keep the rents low And so we're limited in how much we can borrow in terms of a permanent mortgage So we started construction on a Halloween day at last year construction has been slightly delayed, but Minstakes doing a great job trying to mitigate those rain delays and construction completion is scheduled for early in February in 2025 and August of the of that year we anticipate a hundred percent occupancy You can show the next slide, please Thanks So just a brief overview of the project and then I'm going to hand it over to Mimi and at any time Of course happy to answer any questions, but this is a hundred and twenty-nine unit six-story apartment building with one staff unit and a hundred twenty-eight affordable family units with rent Set at households earning between 30 percent and 80 percent of area median median income 32 32 units or 25 percent of the total will be set aside for formerly homeless households those very those Households will be referred through the city and we've obtained parking fees section 8 vouchers from the housing authority for those households, so You know those folks will pay 30 percent of whatever income they have which often can be in the form of government subsidy Otherwise the rents are as you see between 93 and 2000 and approximately 2000 depending on on how the units are restricted and it's that could be somewhat complicated The project 52 parking spaces and 50 bike spaces and Typical amenities typical for these sorts of projects large community room with an outdoor deck that actually Joins the the inside of the historic wall will have computer lab Lots of amenity in the back yard spaces And then of course prominently the pedestrian corridor to the Santa Rosa Creek that will That will lead from the new road we're installing down to the creek and one day through the cornerstone property downtown along 4th Street So I'm going to turn this over to Mimi that again happy to answer any sort of development related questions or financing questions You might have a good evening everyone. This is Mimi Sullivan with SIDA and Sullivan Design Partners. Can you hear me? We can hear you really well. Thanks Mimi. Okay, thanks And thank you to your chairperson your board members any community members in the audience And also want to just echo Dawn's shout out and thanks to Susie and Michelle Without whose help this project would not be Coming out of the ground right now. So thank you all This is an image looking from West 3rd Street as this is your Backyard you will recognize the historic brick walls the loading docks the metal canopy from this vantage point And so different things that we're doing obviously is restoring those walls putting in new Windows and new storefronts where we have Lobby areas further down the street there and then up behind the walls Rising that the residential units Overall the project is six stories. There's a ground there. Sorry. There is a podium level And behind the brick wall we have not you know made any openings except for a garage entry along the new street Which right now is called a street. So I don't know what that's gonna be called in the future, but The brick wall is maintained and not Punctured if you will and what's behind that is the garage We got the next slide this was a Rendering that we did as a sort of a vantage point standing and along 4th Street in the historic railroad square community Looking across the smart tracks and looking again at the Brick wall with the housing rising above and the water tower and the distance kind of on Access if you will with 4th Street, you will recognize a little bit of the train station there off to the right Have the next sign This I realized looking at it is a little fuzzy, but this is the site plan The top of the page Again, it would be the new a street and one of the longer leg of the brick wall historic brick wall and Then on the right hand side turning down would be the second brick wall long west 3rd Street This is showing Also on the left hand side the public promenade that's being provided and that will be landscaped as well leading from What we hope is a connection to 4th Street in the future down to the Creek Trail and then as Don mentioned the backyard Which is a lot of in color is our landscape plan has a lot of the resident outdoor amenity spaces at this level Like a sort of a turf area some picnic tables in an olive Bosque a deck The top lot is sort of in pink that's strategically placed next to a laundry room Etc. Etc. All of this to say a few things The building You can see the profile of the building stepping back From the right and stepping up a little bit further and stepping up a little bit further as a as you move Your eye from right to left But also trying to really activate this backyard So there are eyes on the creek which we heard from the community was really important So that's part of the goal here We'll have the next slide Okay, so this is the south elevation basically the West 3rd Street elevation Again, you'll recognize the brick wall at the ground level metal canopy That will get restored and then as I mentioned some of the storefront in some of the original openings that are leading to Lobby spaces and then up behind that again as the housing And one of the elements we Incorporated was a Stare that we wanted to Have a kind of sculptural element, but also an industrial quality. So it is a metal stair Parking back to and so the history Oh the canopy. That's our canary the other materials that we're using on site We're purposely chosen to not compete with the brick wall. It's really important to us that that brick wall still be front and center In this view and also in the other view along a street We have vertical board and that and siding and we have cement plaster smooth cement plaster Floor the housing up above the building through the process of the Objective design standards working with Susie and her department There's a lot of articulation to the building in terms of the massing stepping up and down at the roof line Stepping in and out with the windows and balconies to really activate the building mass And let's have the next slide. This is the longer facade Along a street again with the other historic brick wall You will see the openings you will kind of see a glimpse of sometimes units behind those openings and To the far right of the garage door. There's three bays that actually opens up to a patio space off of the community room So again, there would be there's some activation up at that level with people Kind of coming in and out of the community room and and being on that patio similar materials used here with The board and baton and also you'll see the introduction of horizontal lap siding with the horizontal stripes, if you will and then the cement plaster again and then the balconies sort of interspersed again for that modulation and kind of Articulation of the building mass moving in and out the balconies are also a metal mesh and they're sort of hung off the Excuse me hung off the building with a kind of cable structure again. It's sort of more of an industrial aesthetic there Let's go to the next slide This is the facade that is paralleling the Public promenade So on the left is the last little bit of the brick wall that turns the corner there And then the main lobby this was sort of the main entrance to that housing development There with sort of most of the storefront glass and then again another sculptural stair We would see people, you know coming and going up and down the stair And then more units both at the bottom level and all the way up similar materials Next slide and then lastly, this is the facade facing the creek There's a little bit harder to read I understand because it's a two-dimensional Elevation, but if you recall in the site plan there is sort of movement of Sort of three wings above the first two levels So where you were if you see let me just try to describe it this way if you see grid lines e through g That's actually a courtyard at the podium. So that plane is quite a bit further back than the plane Popped away Sorry, that's okay. Sorry. I'm trying to get you back. Is that where we were? Yeah, that's very we're sure so e through g and L through n you can find those two locations those planes of the cement plaster with the windows are a Fair bit further back Because those are actually courtyards Landscaped courtyards at the podium level so belies this this drawings a little bit hard to sort of comprehend that depth But that's what I wanted to just point that out Okay, go to the next slide Okay So as we mentioned the brick walls facing the historic district in West 3rd Are intact they're going to look even better than they're looking right now but they're on their way to being Structurally supported Which is great, and then we're we're redoing the canopy the metal canopy and the loading docks So those are very important elements obviously to us Landscaping is not obscuring the historic elements. Most of the robust landscaping is happening in the backyard or along the public promenade We I think I mentioned the picnic areas and the Olive boss The landscape architect, you know took the cannery history in terms of the Sort of vegetable cannery and thought orchards and obviously there's a lot of that Same character up in the area And and sort of brought that back into the project with with the orchard And the water tower is now tied to the future plant 5 project Which maybe dawn can speak to a little bit more if there's questions about that on the next slide Okay, I think I've talked about this as I was showing you the exterior elevations But each side of the project has its own unique condition With the brick walls or the promenade or the creek which is exciting. It's fun to respond to all of those And then the exterior materials and textures again very purposely trying to contrast with the historic brick walls It didn't mention when we were looking at the elevations because against a little bit hard to read That we did step back the new building From the historic walls on purpose again. So they're the first thing you see The three wings pointing west to break down the mass and that's along the creek side I mentioned that resident courtyards plus the backyard green space for greater light air and views along the creek and again eyes on the creek And then building modulation both horizontally and vertically to get shadows and Articulation with bays and balconies and then the metal stairs as well as the metal balconies really trying to reflect that industrial history and materiality And we have another sliders at the end for me. Ah, okay. Was this me or is this you don't is this me? I Guess it's me. I actually that's fine. Yeah, and I think we Using us for the waterways menu. Just know Herman talking about it. Sure. So again, it was really important And we heard this from the community Multiple times and we couldn't agree more having eyes on the creek is really important So again that active very active backyard for the residents is part of that also the public access for Pedestrians and cyclists via the new promenade extending from the 4th Street to the Santa Rosa Creek is also key in that sort of activation and Landscaping of course is going to meet all the water efficient landscape requirements It's also going to provide a buffer for the building and the creek trail It's serving recreational needs and again this activation of the backyard for the creek trail is so important and being sensitive to the wildlife setting Those are a lot of the considerations that landscape architect brought to the project and the next slide. Oh That is the end. Okay I'll turn it back over for Can I just add I forgot to acknowledge because I think it'd be of interest to you That Diana painter was involved as a cultural resources advisor on the application this most recent round because Susan Clark had retired and The moment through the NEPA process Which is a requirement for certain of the funds the federal funds a Stacy to Shazzo who was previously a member here She was she was not our consultant She was the sub-consultant to the NEPA consultant who was the city's consultant. So we've had a lot of local perspective on the design and I just thought you'd want to know that Can I just anticipate one other question from? member vice chair Garrett which has to do with the water tower and That which had originally been part of the application for the three West 3rd Street project that we're talking about tonight And has been in our plans and will remain in the plans that has been I guess you'd say shifted to phase 2 that the it's not really a phase it will be its own project But the plant 5 project it has always sat on that parcel. It's a separate parcel And so that was the main reason John Stewart loved loved the water tower and was eager to see it Resurrected but it does tie to the plant 5 site historically and so it will be part of whatever comes of that So are we ready to go and bring this back to the board? Like I'd like to thank every the applicant or not applicant this gave all the presenters For taking the time. I know you really didn't have to do this tonight and It's a lot of time a lot of energy. I know we really appreciate it I know I really appreciate it because I get a lot of questions and now I'll be able to Provide some answers, but like most of our items that come before us. What I typically like to do is open it up to the public first and Give public the public opportunity to ask questions or to make comments Then I'll bring it back to the board and for any questions that the the board or a commissive board may have So If we could open up for public comment period Any members of the public who are joining us in person? Please make your way to the podium and Please state your name for the record. Yes, this is on now. You see you hear me, okay? Okay, I'm Leanne wens and I've Interested in this I represent the Saturday afternoon club history Section and we're very interested in seeing that the water tower get resurrected. I have a very specific question It's difficult if you are Separating the two projects because it looks like that building That we're speaking about today is going to be kind of close So I was wondering if you could tell me how many feet the Wall of the building is to the Water tower spot that everyone kind of has in mind for where it's going to go Mimi Would you be able to speak to that? Yeah before I mean as you mentioned we originally were considering the water tower To be located on the promenade the creek and we actually went through a fairly complicated process of a lot line adjustment to increase the size of the canaries parcel taking some land from the plant five parcel to the north because for the very reason that You're asking about and also because we didn't want people to have to walk under the water tower We just weren't sure everybody would be Comfortable doing that that said you know, I think where the water tower ends up It's really a function of I guess what the city wants and the funding we we did not have the money To install the water tower of this project the historic wall Alone added something close to five million dollars to this project and it's it's a great wall And it's going to be beautiful when it's clean and it has up lights But we we did not have another dollar to spend on the water tower for for the canary project and so Mimi do you want to answer the question about it where it originally? Have been intended to be located Yeah, partially trying to again put it on Access with 4th Street, which we heard was something the community was interested in but as you mentioned on sort of mitigating the Potential discomfort of only having to walk under it being the only option to get from 4th Street down to the creek So it did move over to allow for some of that pedestrian access to Walk along it and not under it. So It sounds like it's unclear Where that water tower is going to be relative to the building we're discussing? And that it's linked to another building I'm just wondering Somewhere along the line we were told our group at the Saturday afternoon club That it would be in the same position. It's always been in So is that not a decision that's been made on the position of this tower And this is dawn again, I mean and Michelle you can jump in but my understanding is that there's some It's not actually clear where it's always been in that there was an earlier Location that might have been a more correct historical Historical location and again, I don't we don't necessarily have a dog in this race. We understand it's an important monument to the city we just We just didn't have any funds to Pay for the it needs to be abated. It's painted in in lead paint So it's not a simple matter of just coming back up. It's a fairly expensive thing to do But Michelle, I don't know if you want to speak to the location of the water tower we've heard Don I'm getting about that Don this is Susie and I'm going to jump in and I'm going to try and get us back on track We're in the public comment period and so it's really not a time to go back and forth with dialogue So I'd like to go ahead and finish You have three minutes to talk and you go ahead and yeah, I don't know how this is structured I've never done this before. Oh, it's not for taking time. It's not your fault The question is a simple one actually it has to do with the Height of the tower versus the height of the building I'm assuming the other building that's going to go in as part of number five Is going to be a similar height? So that's my question. It's pretty Simple actually and then the other question is how much space between the side of the building and the tower and It's going to affect the other I mean if if it's really tight People are not going to see that tower very well Because those buildings are massive and that's all and is a concern And that's my comment and if you can give me those numbers great I'll I'll look for them when I see the plans, but since the tower is not in the plans. It's tricky Okay, and if you does anyone have those numbers for me or shall I just try to find them later? if What we'll do is when we close the public comment period will give the the applicants or the presenters an Opportunity to address your questions, and I'll try to make sure that We could recite your the questions that you thank you very much. Well, thank you for coming in. Thank you And thanks for everything the Saturday afternoon club does Chair Muser, it looks like we do have a couple of participants via zoom Carol quant I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Please state your name for the record couple questions number one, can you tell me the setback of the Buildings from the creek trail itself also the height and material of the fencing that separates the Property from the creek taro and if we could get some Elaboration on how the new occupants will directly access the creek trail. I would be most appreciative and thank you for all your work Just a reminder if you'd like to make a comment You can do so by selecting the raise your hand icon feature at the bottom of your zoom screen if you're calling in Please press star nine Chair Muser. I don't see any other hands raised okay, so Questions that I had from the public Sorry chair Muser. Can you officially close it? Okay? close public comment period for the site and So the questions I had that I documented were Basically how many feet? from the structure The existing structure plan to the water tower the height of the water tower especially a relationship to the height of the building and Then I had I wasn't sure it was the height of the fence, but I'm not wasn't sure which fence They're talking about And then also How access will be achieved? to the creek so There's an opportunity to answer any of those questions Don and Mimi this is Michelle. I'll start with about the water tower, but the detail about the Fencing and access maybe you could put the image up for that So thank you for the questions and care about the water tower and on correct me if I'm wrong but frankly the The plan has changed a bit when we when we first went through this it was part of this building project And so it was in And and you'll see on our site plan and it had shown it in the corridor We share the concern about visibility and proximity and what's it going to feel like if you're living right on the other side of the wall the water tower and so forth when we When we realized its connection to the plant five parcel it was kind of a relief because as Don said the funding was I mean it's $750,000 a unit to build this affordable housing So there just wasn't money for for that to do it in the way that it needed So that was good news and what it does is it opens up the conversation then for where does it belong it used to be? I remember that the plant five building abutted You know there wasn't a path there wasn't a pedestrian corridor So plant five came right up there and the water tower was positioned Right behind plant five in what is now really the corridor Not quite so close to the creek was a little bit more toward the smart site So it's proximate to where it historically had been I think the bottom line though is Don again correct me, but I don't think We really leave it to the community Where would you like especially those who care about the history of it? It's we all agree it needs to be resurrected restored and placed in a way it can be appreciated and If that means it's a little off the axis or pulled forward or back or if somebody wants it You know we're open for feedback. There's time for that because it relates to the plant five Site for which there are no plans right now just to answer the question about height The owners are in the business of building affordable housing, which we know we need So it's quite likely to your good question that it might again be another tall building other people would envision that as a Public amphitheater and if they can buy it and create that then it it's another It's another discussion and and it maybe is a feature of that The good news is it's not going anywhere and people care about it and want to take care of it invest in it The the good news is there's time to discuss that And and that's about as much as I know there is to say unless Don you want to add to that? And then we can get to the Okay Recognize Okay, great, and Mimi maybe I don't know the details about the fence material I've heard Could you zoom back into the area you were just showing for just a quick second The promenade basically because I think there's a couple of Answers embedded. Um, no, I actually wanted to show I wanted to this hurt but In particular a question about how do residents access the creek, but it's good to talk about the whole ingress egress So to two ways they access the creek from from this side Which is if you see the very top note on the left-hand side of this drawing says main entrance from public pathway That's the main entrance to the housing development So folks are coming in and out Residents that is coming in and out of this location to Then be able to access The promenade which has both stairs and then you'll see these kind of switchbacks. So those are the accessible path of travel Also on and then all the way down to the creek trail a second Way that the residents can get to the creek is out the backyard So there's another smaller gate says emergency egress passing gate But they can come out and then come over look at the preferred Kind of connection point will be through the main entry To the promenade. So then you had a summoner. Sorry same Community member had a question about the fencing I can tell you what the materiality is and that is a 2x8 metal mesh that will be powder coated black With obviously support posts the height of it's going to vary because as you know, the creek trail Along the backyard here sort of dips down. So the fence is going to sort of dip with it It'll probably have a height of between five and six feet Depending on where you measure it and you know how that from the creek trail to the fence itself is is sloped It's a little bit hard for me to give you a super definite pipe there Thank you. And there was was there another question. I've forgotten. I apologize I think there was a question as to the setback. How far the building was setback from the creek? That I'd have to look at the civil drawing. I just don't recall off the top of my head to be honest with you I could look to find that real quick Well, I know the other thing I wanted to mention about the water towers if the promenade itself From the closest point of the building Let's say the brick wall at the top of this drawing to the property line as John mentioned the lot line was extended over That's about 40 feet So if the water towers on the other side of that property line at the minimum There would be 40 feet away from this particular development that helps but other than that, I don't know I Don't have any Connection to the plant five future development at this point I can I can say also that the the approved plans which do include the engineering plans are available online My contact information. I I think we can probably either get that up on the screen or whatever I'm happy to I'm happy to share it with you. You can also Google Santa Rosa by right housing and Look for the cannery at railroad square project and there's a link for the approved plans That also has my contact information and Michelle Gervais So if you have questions, we can certainly answer that but those plans are available. They just weren't You know, they're very interesting plans, but they're not as much fun as the architectural plans for these meetings so They were I will say reviewed and compliance with all city standards and then some so Maybe we can also add will be it on design review tomorrow and At the waterways advisory committee later in the month and that's a question We can have the specific answer for that time I did find a the civil drawing and so again because the building is Stepping and also the property line along the creek is curving The distance from the of the building edge to the property line Varys from what I can see and there's just a few points that are called out on the civil drawing 48 feet 42.75 feet. I think that the West 3rd where the property line curves back up the closest So the building is about a little shy of 30 feet Hope that's how And to the extent I I wonder if a question behind the question has to do with just honoring the setback requirements the property line is not the same as the The center line for the creek or whatever the measurement was at the time So I do know there's a lot of thought given to that setback and also the historic footprint and it did meet the standards And I may have missed it. Have you met with the waterways yet therapy? Well, we have over the decades, but it then but we are Presenting to them like we are today Is it the 27th of April? I think it's or we're in May now or yeah 27th of May May I think it's May 25th. It's the it's the 4th Thursday for Thursday in May. Okay. I'm gonna bring this back to the board and Just do kind of a roll call if If a vice-chair Garrett If you have any questions or Okay, you're on It was my understanding 20 whatever years ago it was when I was sitting on this same board and we approved this project at the joint meeting that Maintaining the water tower was One of the main Things that that John Stewart promised us so I Absolutely Back up the lady who spoke earlier this needs to be on the site and that's it's really Frightening to think that as it keeps getting pushed aside that maybe the water tower is now not being maintained very well and Maybe the the final thought is it it can be done away with but I personally Feel and I know the people in railroad square Really want that back and they want it to be the focal point for 4th Street So I don't know what we can do at this point. I have one other comment I have looked at projects all over the city all over the county and all the projects that are similar architecture to this That this architecture that's going inside the historic walls have Balconies and all those balconies look like tenements. They have barbecues and bicycles and storage bins and You know surfboards and junk on them and they look really awful So I don't know if those can be done away with But they definitely don't add to the project or to the historic district in my view But I thank you and I'm really sorry that John Stewart isn't still with us to see the this Get done and completed and finished. It's been a really long Struggle and Michelle you've been really great to stick with it. So thank you. It'll be wonderful to have that housing there Thank you vice chair Garrett Board member fennel So on the image where you're looking Northwest from 3rd Street Is there a gap in between? The old wall and then where the and how big how white is that gap? Mimi this is a Great question because it's a really nice element But can you describe that second the podium setback from the historic wall to the new building? Absolutely, the short answer is yes The brick wall stands in front of and separated from the rest of the building starting at the second floor going up And it's approximately 15 feet I think there's a sub I think at the Let me think about that for a quick second. I think at the podium at the Community room I may have missed that may as well. It's 12 feet. I apologize. I think we added it 15 and then it went to 12. So yes Okay, and then was on that bottom level there is that it was there Is that all apartment type space or was there commercial space it wasn't Clear on the behind the brick wall just in this in this project on the lower level Was there any commercial space or is it just all residential all residential? Okay? Perfect. I I like the way that you guys have have done the you know kept the brick wall and Had the building Become its own thing. We've had plants that have come before us where we have seen a historic building where they just Plopped on top of it another so it was like a stage it looked like a stage and then And and I like that you are but my favorite photo was looking from Down 4th Street and seeing the apartment and seeing the brick wall and seeing the water tower and I thought oh gosh, that's That really is an iconic shot and it just really added and so I would encourage the water tower Absolutely, you know be in there as fast as possible and as you know as close to the Vision that is the photo here as we can have it so but I do think it you guys have done a nice job I do agree with Cappy that there You know there are problems sometimes with those balconies and you know the dropping of you know things and you know They are they are problematic and But I understand that we're where we're at Thanks, thank you board member fennel Board member clay I'm with you and with you that the Water tower definitely needs to stay. It's very iconic for that area If you were worried about where that water tower was Before you know this project the library down on 3rd Street has all kinds of old pictures of Various places in in Santa Rosa, so that would show exactly where it stood and you probably know you know where it originally was I think the project looks really nice and I too am worried about these balconies I wonder if the balconies that it looks like in the picture. They're kind of open so you could see in it's more of a Metal see-through kind of if they if those balconies can be a solid Metal instead of having that so you don't see what people have on there on their patio But I think it's it's a nice project and and that the brick You know to give it that old-fashioned look of what was there is it's good I question the dark dark color of that building because it shouts at you. I mean That's my opinion. Maybe a little softer color and not so I'm here You know compared to the color of the the brick which I see has been cleaned and sandblasted But otherwise, it's it's a it's a nice project. Thank you. It's been a long haul Thank you board member client and Board member Carney Yeah, it's it's wonderful to see this this project moving forward I only have a quick question which is looking down that same image to 4th Street The water tower and the promenade that's under that Is there going to be any other connection temporarily before the rest of all those sites get developed and go from 4th Street down to that promenade? Do you mean through the smart site from the smart site? Yeah Well, I think that'd be a good question for cornerstone because they own the property. Yeah This was done. We don't really have any control over that property, right? I agree with me. Thank you That's all I have. We will have a You know a part of a road from 3rd Street to 4th Street, so people could come along 3rd Street To that and get to get through that way or come down 6 Yes, it's it will be a it's a phased project if I can just chime in on that on a previous cultural heritage board applicant for the Property that's between the tracks and this project the plans At that time were to get a crossing at 4th Street there at the station and their development project included a pathway to your project, so We're all hoping that yeah, you can get to the creek from from railroad square it's but it will take a Cooperative effort from all all the developers and it looks like you're doing your share here You're creating your path So now if we can get to get the other one created and then they get the crossing across the tracks That's a whole another element in itself. So okay Lot of energy around the water tower and with that energy. I think there's a lot of opportunity so I think if if some of that energy between railroad square possibly the Saturday afternoon club and Your project and Whatever else is lurking out there It's I know it's gonna be it's a funding thing and I know you've got you're talking about an antique structure That's I don't know how many feet tall 150 feet You know Being put up with today's standards earthquake standard. So it's a big deal It's a big deal not only to find a spot, but also the logistics around Safely putting it up so it doesn't come down I would hope that until that opportunity presents itself that we can ensure that it's preserved That it's you know protected and that it doesn't just kind of Go by way of what was it the Hogue house? you know so the the other thing I'd like to state is and With the new board members You may be wondering, you know, why didn't this item come before the cultural heritage board, but There's there's a state law and there's a ministerial act that allows projects that meet housing affordable housing standards to forego going before the boards With that being said this project that we're seeing today could have had the walls removed it could have been anything, but they've chosen to preserve the walls they've chosen to Continue to work to build something that that would fit into the railroad square area and I commend them for that Granted if it would have come before the cultural heritage where we probably would have had a lot of input for you on the design, but The fact that you didn't have to go before the boards, but you still took the time to try to Preserve the cannery and and make a build a project that is attractive I Appreciate that very much. So I want to say that So the water tower and probably access to the to the creek those are probably Items that are still lurking out there that if there's opportunities for those two things be great I just I feel John in the room. So I just have to say with with the most sincere Commitment of you can't foresee the future But the water tower has been considered a precious as precious to the team as to the community So I'm just for what reassurance that is just know that and but and having said that Would welcome the community discussion about what goes on that but besides the picture of John And you know, whatever you want is good And so it's something to look forward to and be thinking about now a fun fact when it was taken down This is just a little aside. It is a big venture. So thank you for recognizing it There was a special crane truck that had to come from South Bay came over the gold gate We had to get special permits to get the truck up here to take it down They did their work. They came and went there at lay and then there was a big rainstorm on New Year's Eve I think it was 2005 and For some reason another thing that hadn't been on the maps were water sewer lines That ran right under where the train that the truck had been Situated didn't realize it, but it had crushed the sewer lines and on New Year's Eve Railroad Square restaurants all backed up really yucky and And the point being and we're on the phone, you know at like 11 o'clock at night trying to get this all cleaned up It's been an odyssey. Thank you for appreciation appreciating the effort that many people did and know that It's just it'll be good. It'll be worth it and then there's more input and just to sleep at night Your predecessors did have input on a different version, but a variation on the theme that was approved in 2008 so anyhow, thank you again. Yeah, well, thank you Yeah, anything can go on it. No, no cell tower. So, no, no So I've I've seen those just when we've traveled in this date these great Old water towers and they have cells on anyway, I Would also like to before we close I would like to thank the board because I know it's very challenging to see an approved project come before you and Your comments are appreciated and Thank you for being a great audience. So Any other additional comments from the board? I think the project is a really good project and I think the new building actually complements the walls and I like that it's simple in color so that the the old walls really show and Part of the original intent 20 years ago when it was when we approved this Taking that the building down and just leaving the walls, which was a really frightening thing to do That I mean we knew the walls would be utilized In the future building and I I mean aside from my one negative comment about the balconies It's a great project and John Stewart would be proud of it. So thank you One last quick question for me. Who will be managing this project? Don you want to speak to that? Yeah, this is Don from John Stewart will be managing him where we manage over 35,000 units throughout the state We are far away the largest manager of affordable housing in the state It's really truly what John started doing when he formed this company was he was buying affordable Properties and thought they weren't managed very well. So we have a very long and broad expertise in that area Okay, yeah, I see the balcony says not an architectural problem, but a management problem. So so Hopefully Yeah, I agree with that and and that's not a Uncommon complaint in the management issue. It's really about the house rules for the building and and how those are enforced Okay with that then I'm going to close item 8.1 and Not seeing any other items on the agenda like to Close the meeting tonight. Thank you. We're adjourned Thanks for your time. Thank you. Thank you very much