 You know I'm saying so it's it's been a manipulation and We we didn't went to sleep on it now things and got so bad. Yeah, it's just like the gang culture Piru is a culture. It's a street in Compton That just wasn't allowing dudes to just come in just because we live in houses with what families you can't take our coach You can't take our shoes We can fight to you know sad So it was a defense mechanism and the defense mechanism went so bad We turn into the savages that we were fighting against Wow So now you can't tell the difference. Let me ask you this you and uh, you and Melvin y'all count y'all roll together Being a cat from Texas, you know when you see that you think about Crips and Bloods. How did you guys end up being you know, you know being You know linking up and everything because mutually Melvin has a a genuine insight for in bettering black people and I Don't say I can in better any and we now say that cuz he's he formerly was Crip you formerly was blood Yeah, he Crip. He's Crip. I know I'm a pyro pyro. It's difference Okay, I don't know the difference between our pyro and bloods rule the streets LA pyros the world Mathematically pyro factor, okay, so how do you guys end up linking together? How do you end up? Captain Shahid had asked me to do a speaking engagement. I had seen I guess when Melvin first got out He did a book sign. I guess man. What would that first slave ship? Right so I went down to this I'm kind of black culture, you know, I'm still got So I go down there and he's and I bought one of his books, you know, about the book came home and read it didn't shoot like Five years was about five years ago. We met again at a Inglewood High School to Talk to some gang members and we were talking his his partner brought him I came with Captain Shahid and we got to discussing and this and this and that and I'm like, right? Yeah I know you us man. I bought your book Wow, and so that's so we can you know, y'all never seen each other I knew each other before that. No Wow. That's crazy. No, it ain't crazy LA I'm from Compton. Okay, so y'all don't know never cross. It's a big place Yeah So but but okay, we have an age difference to correct when he was when he started doing he was doing I was already in prison Okay, I know some of the old G home boys and when he was like Seven eight nine. Well, not seven eight nine cuz he's he started when he was like three So at the end of the day being that you guys represent two different parts of The gangs when people seeing you the guys together when you would do different things together Did it help the the gang culture in California? No, no, not at all How do we how can we how do we make a better way like the gap that you was talking about bridging? For you know, like when you came home and everything was kind of in a disarray. How do you? How do you pretty much bridge those gaps? For our youth for the I don't know Me the line I can I can tell you all these glass. I can tell you all these Poetic theories that I have yeah, but it's just like me and Melvin was talking earlier about these it change this Intervention stuff so we've been doing it and then when you turn to intervention these nonprofits When you do a nonprofit and it starts working the government take it over and they start running your shit Now you're just on a payroll So now your whole complexion or intervention. We've been having intervention for 20 years. It ain't stopped no murders You know, we got some dudes doing like, you know, like I hear dudes talking about yeah Fuck big you fuck this and this and can you cuss on there? You already did did I Go ahead man, so but you looking at a dude and I and I don't know you personally But I know his work now, you know I'm saying the things that he's doing and the things that he's doing This dude with his own money took a hundred black kids that had never had suits or nothing But tennis shoes on bottom tuxedos Took him to dinner. They didn't know what a foot fork spoon was from a salad fork or this and that He set him down and did something. Do you know how that impacted them kids life? You can give a nigga a book bag and this and that you'll give him some drawers and some socks That's what he need. You understand? So when you do Rolling Curtis the 30s the feds had to come get them cuz them dudes start buying houses in the neighborhood To keep the Mexicans from buying them and they start having you had a problem with them They would have the crackheads come cut your line Every Tuesday they would take out your trash now. They became friends to the old people Not old people wasn't writing on them no more. So the LAPD had them all indicted and sent them to the feds one of one of my Melvin's og homies Michael conception. Yeah, I probably heard of Michael. Yeah, you got he got the Michael conception foundation So it's dudes. It's doing stuff, you know that ain't Televised so maybe we did come up doing some crazy stuff, but we had no guidance Your mother wasn't able to give you a hundred thousand dollars and let you you had to do this By hands-on trial and error. We didn't know nothing about money. Yeah, we on boss talk one-on-one. Yeah, we gonna