 We are live for the way you look at me. I is for the only eye I see V is very, very live. And E is for the internet and welcome to live behind the scenes. So I just want to let y'all know this is after our show right now, because we don't usually record this late in the day. It's around four p.m. here and things are getting weird. Yeah, things are getting goofy. Um, y'all say a prayer for us. We would appreciate it with that. Let's get into the show. Okay, you ready? Ready, set, go. Hey, I'm Jordan Burke and I'm Kristen Pirola and this is Saints and Sages where we talk about the wisdom of the saints and how it's relevant for you. And today we have a show that is just not, I'm going to say it right off the bat. I don't mean to like, you know, set us up for failure, but there's no way we do this guy justice. He's amazing. There's just not a chance. And you're about to agree when we say his name. Yeah, well, they probably already read it. That's embarrassing. I'm embarrassed. Well, you know, you could say it is the late, late show. So Bolton Jay, she's venerable at the moment. And in fact, he was actually born Peter John Sheen. Yeah, what did you know that I read that, but I didn't quite understand why he changed where the name change came from. Did you have anything on that? I got nothing. Okay, well, it is what it is. Born May 8th, 1895 in El Paso, Illinois, which means that he was born in the same month as me, which means that he and I are automatically friends because that's how birthdays work. El Paso, Illinois. He served as an altar boy at eight years old with a bishop. And this is a great story. So basically, and this is probably a really well known story, but for those who are unaware, he served with this bishop. And during the process of serving, he dropped the wine currant on the floor and it shattered. And that's the blood of Jesus. We don't know if it happened prior to the blessing or after, but it's still precious and it was shattered. And as Fulton Sheen was just like terrified and scared, the bishop looked at him and said, someday you will be exactly as I am. And it was a prophecy moment. A little prophetic. So he was actually the oldest of four brothers, which I think is very telling about him being the eldest. You can just sense that from you guys can listen to all his recordings. Yeah. Podcast after podcast have been made. I mean, I'll get into the first cell evangelist. Well, actually, that's a good segue because he seemingly talked about everything. That's one of the things that I noticed as I was going through kind of his catalog of work. I don't think there is a single topic that he didn't talk about or hold some sort of knowledge on, which is really truly incredible. But interestingly enough, in his timeline, he was ordained September 20th, 1919. And at his ordination, he promised to keep a daily Eucharist to Coley hour, which he did every day until the end of his life. And how powerful is that? I don't know why I said and and how powerful is that? I'm just going to say it again. But it actually goes to show when I kind of reflected on his story and I was, you know, learning all about this, where his source of. How do I say? I mean, he was such a vibrancy. I don't know. Right. He was such a powerhouse, like a great speaker, incredibly knowledgeable. And I think it was directly because he he promised, I'm going to give this daily Eucharistic holy hour sitting in front of Christ for an hour every day. I feel like he would be the type of person that would say, if you have an hour of work to do, then you need to pray for two hours. Right. He was committed to prayer and that made his work so fruitful. Absolutely. And yeah. And being a priest in 1919, did you write down how old he was when? So he was 23. I know he was 23 years old when he started educating others. And when he was working at the Catholic University of America, which was in 1920. Yeah. So I have some of the timeline after that. So basically like 1923, he returned to the university where he first became or I'm sorry, where he became the first American to receive the Cardinal Mercer Prize for international philosophy, as well as attaining the Gredge. I'm probably not pronouncing that correctly. Degree with outstanding distinction. So right off the bat, this guy is, you know, making a name for himself in these highly academic. And as you just heard philosophy, these wide ranging topics that are so seem so up in the clouds for a lot of people. And he's just it's like this is just brilliant. Right. The man was brilliant. Also in 1930, he began his national radio broadcast, The Catholic Hour, which continued for like 22 years, had estimated four million listeners, which for the 1930s, that is a big huge deal. Huge deal. Just the fact that he had a radio show, which is like one of the first. It really was. And then he was made Monsignor by Pope Pius XI in 1934 at age 39. Make it his way. Very reverend Monsignor. And I guess this was a really big deal and I don't know much about it. But I think just being invited on anyone's show, he was invited to record a Linton Sunday series of sermons on the New York radio station, which I think is it's not Catholic. Right. So that was the big deal is that this secular show is inviting him to do sermon series. Right. He explains the culture back then. It's different now. It is very different. When would that happen? And it shows kind of goes to show how, you know, he could reach across the aisle in a way. There was no one that he couldn't kind of connect with, which is really telling of who he was as a person, probably the presence that he had. I mean, you watch his videos now and he has a presence like even so much presence. Right. Once from what videos that are black and white. And it's like you can feel you almost feel him in the room. It's it's pretty incredible. Yeah. And when he walked in a room, everybody knew. Everybody stopped. I just, yeah, he definitely had presence. So in 1951, he's consecrated a bishop. And then in the fall of 1951, he began his famous television series entitled Life is Worth Living. These are if you start searching for him on YouTube, this is primarily what you're going to find. Episodes from Life is Worth Living or clips from Life is Worth Living. 30 million viewers each week. Right. And again, the fifties, the early fifties. So that's Catholic, a Catholic show. Right. Well, yeah, exactly. Alone. 30 million views each week. He basically he goes on to win an Emmy for most outstanding television personality in 1953. And the series ran from, you know, the fall of 1951 into 1957. So like five, six years, roughly six years. And on top of all his speaking engagements, because he was traveling around the world, giving lectures and talks on a variety of topics, he was also writing books. And he published 34 books as a professor. And then another 32 after he stopped teaching. Can you imagine it's so right. Apparently he was so well known. People started writing him letters and he would receive about 100 letters every single day. Yeah. So I have that. So you have that too. In 1937, he writes a letter to a university rector, Monsignor Joseph Corgan. And he writes in quote, during the past year, letters demanding personal attention have run between 75 to 100 a day. A day. So popular. And then he says, this coupled with classes, because as you said, he was teaching at the time in writing books. So he's doing all these things. He says, this coupled with classes never given with less than six hours preparation for each lecture. What? That goes to show how much time he put into researching and explains why he is so brilliant. I mean, six hours for each lecture has left me physically exhausted. He says, however, the good to be done is such that no one dare or one dare not shrink from its opportunities as or for a postulate. I totally butchered that quote, but you guys get the gist of it. I mean, I loved that. And I love that you have that, too, because it really goes to show who he was as a person and how seriously he took the vocation of teaching. And again, it exemplifies who he was. And I don't know, we'll get into it a little bit more as we go on and talk about him more. But yeah, I love this. I mean, he's just he was dedicated to evangelizing and anyone and everyone he was sharing the gospel with and speaking truth. And that's why he had so many followers. I mean, millions of people were following him. They weren't just all Catholic, right? People love listening to him who are non-Catholic, too. So talk about evangelism and its finest. Well, and he didn't what's so amazing about him. And I think another and then we'll get back into the timeline. But one of the things that I think makes him so popular is that he he pulls no punches. But he says, true. Oh, yeah. He was and we'll get into this later as well. But he was very, very, very outspoken against communism, modernism, all these other different things pulled no. Not a shy guy. No. But he also said a lot of these things in a way that was loving was truth with charity, right? As truth should be told. But yeah, so fascinating. 1969, he resigned as Bishop of Rochester. He says, and I quote, I am not retiring, only retreading, which I retreating, retreading. So like, like redo. Sure. Sure. Pope Paul VI, the name Tim Archbishop of the Sea of Newport in Wales. The Archbishop remained relatively active, spending the last years of his life chiefly in writing and preaching. And apparently before that, we forgot to mention that he attended all the sessions of the Second Vatican Council. Right. And he worked closely with Brassinger and he even won an Emmy Award of Outstanding Television Personality and was on the front cover of Time Magazine. Yeah. So I just want to say those things. Prominent Catholic. Like Vatican Council paired with like front cover of Time Magazine. Like, does that not just show like who this guy was? His his life is so incredible. Is there anybody today that you could think of that would be similar to him? I mean, the only thing the only person I could think of is like Father Mike Schmitz. Like think about his podcast right now by one year. There's so many people. I mean, it was like top podcast. It is the number one podcast in the world. If I'm not mistaken, I don't know. Maybe it went down. Yeah. It was for a point in time, which is pretty incredible when you think about our modern age and what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe Father Mike. I don't really know if there's so eloquent. He's eloquent, too. He is as well. He is as well. Maybe Father Mike Schmitz. Hey, Father Mike, if you're listening, we are now crowning you. Yeah, you should be on the show, but we're crowning you the Archbishop Sheen of 2021. There you go. There you go. Unofficial title. You don't get any crown, but you know, you can you can have that in pride. So in 1979, October 2nd, specifically Pope John Paul II, embraced Fulton Sheen in St. Patrick's Cathedral. The Holy Father said to him, you have written and spoken well of the Lord Jesus. You are a loyal son of the church. And on October 9th, that same year, God called Archbishop from his life to his eternal reward. 1979, so he died due to heart problems. And apparently he was in his private chapel before the Lord when he passed away. Is that not the most beautiful ending of your life? Adoring our Lord? That's how it should be. That's amazing. That's how it should be. I think there could not be a better way to go. And look, folks, I mean, we're giving you this timeline and as always, we're going to supply it. I'm reading from a from a website that did a great job of cataloging all this, but it doesn't at all come close to all of the things that he did, all of the things that he accomplished, all of the talks that he gave. We are just trying to give the best kind of nutshell version of his life story that we can in the time that we are allotted. But I would highly recommend going out as I do with most of these saints, if not all of them and researching it on your own, especially the YouTube videos. I was going to say, I think one of my favorite things about studying the saint or, well, almost saying it's like he's everywhere on YouTube. And that kind of blows my mind. I'm like watching him like, wow, this guy's amazing. And you can just listen to him. And anytime I listen to a podcast, it's uploaded, you know, they uploaded some of his sermons and some of his radio shows. I am so moved and I learned something new every time. I mean, it's just like a powerhouse of information. Right. You can just tell that he was a wellspring. Anywhere he went, oh, man, I wish I could have met him in person. Maybe one day. Well, we are coming up to a break and when we come back, we will finish out his timeline. We're going to talk about the miracles attributed to him and other important notes. So stay tuned. We will be right back. For folks watching behind the scenes, check it out. We got some things we want to throw to you real quick. One, if you want to talk to us at the end of the show, we weren't able to do this last time. Drop a comment. I already see two people have commented. Actually, one person commented twice, which is awesome. Juan Luis, we will talk to you after the show. If you stick around, we'll throw your comment on the screen. There you go. Yeah, if anyone else wants to do that, type typey type, as Christian said, and we'll happily talk to you. 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So for her being a passionist, that quote the daughter of the passion and then having these days in particular with her novenas, it's kind of beautiful. I think it's telling an appropriate bird times. So where can we find your prayer? Spiritualdirection.com. It is new on the blog. Look for the beautiful St. Gemma. You can see her face. You will not miss it. I promise you that. Or you can search St. Gemma. With that being said. Ready? Back to Fulton Sheen. Let's get back into it. Welcome back, folks. I'm Jordan Burke with Kristen Priola on Saints and Sages. And we are talking about Venerable Fulton Sheen. Basically the most eloquent bishop ever I've known. I would say probably one of the greatest orders of all time. All time. All time. Absolutely stunning. You don't fall asleep during his homilies. Let's just say that. No, no, no. So the first half of the show, we gave you a brief outline and we're just going to kind of finish it out. In 2002, the congregation for the causes of saints officially opened the cause for his canonization and conferred on him the title servant of God. Now this is where we've kind of touched on this briefly in the past with some of the other saints. The process of canonization is very in-depth. It's very intense. There is a lot that goes on because the Catholic church takes its saints very, very seriously. And that is one of the reasons why he is not officially canonized today. He's still going through the process. And there's some other things going on that we're not going to get into, as I think there is with any saint, people. Anyway, moving forward. We do know of one miracle though that has been approved. And I would like to talk about that if you are good with that. Yeah, go for it. So in 2006, two packages containing documentation of two alleged miracles attributed to Fulton Sheen were sent to Rome. And in 2012 is when Benedict XVI declared Archbishop Fulton Sheen venerable. So this is like, okay, we've officially entered into the process. Now, here's the thing. July 6th, 2019, very recently, this is now we're getting into the miracle that was approved. The miracle attributed to Sheen has been unanimously approved by doctors, theologians, cardinals, and the congregation of the causes of saints and was officially recognized by the Holy Father Pope Francis on July 6th, 2019. Here's the story. You ready for this? I'm ready. A little boy named James Fulton was born without a pulse or breathing. For 61 minutes, an hour and a minute, without breath or pulse, doctors worked furiously to revive him. After those 61 minutes was up, well, I should say, during those 61 minutes, his mother was fervently asking for Fulton Sheen's intercession, maybe asking why? Well, this mother, while she was pregnant, her and her husband started watching YouTube videos of Fulton Sheen. And they became very attached to him as I think anybody can and should be. Fulton Sheen's incredible. And so she basically says, and one of the interviews was, I just knew, she said, I feel like the Holy Spirit gave me the name Fulton Sheen or brought the memory to me so I can just ask his intercession. And they prayed apparently every single day while she was pregnant for him, asking for his intercession. Yes, thank you for that. It was very important. So that was the other part of this. So yeah, every single day she was pregnant, they're asking for Fulton Sheen intercession. So now when her son is born without pulse, without breath for 61 minutes, as the doctors are trying to revive their child, 61 minutes, folks, over an hour, no breath. That's dead for a really long time. No pulse. His, after that was up, his breathing and pulse returned to normal. In. Walking miracle. Incredible. This is the miracle that has been attributed to Fulton Sheen and has been unanimously approved. So that is a big deal. He's on the way to canonization. And I don't know, I just, I love that story and I think it's appropriate that they gave the middle name Fulton, I like that a lot. And we actually have some friends who also named one of their children Fulton. Shout out to them. Now, what else did you have? I have a quote from him. And there are so many things that we could quote. I was like, trying to figure out, I have no idea. There are so many. So definitely go watch YouTube videos. Listen to yourself. But this one struck me and it's him saying this, Christianity begins not with sunshine, but with defeat. During those days when my life was backed up against the cross, I began to know and to love it more. And I was just saying that's an amazing quote because it's so true and so raw and real. It's not all flowers and rainbows and sunshine. And the cross is heavy and it's hard. It weighs you down, but you know and love it more and it's all for out of love for Christ. And I, speaking of quotes, so I'm currently reading his book, Victory Over Vice, which you can find from Sophia Institute Press and my producer said to put it on the screen. So I'm holding it up to the camera. For those who are watching live, you can see it. For those who are not watching live, you're missing out. You should watch us live. Victory Over Vice, it's an incredible book. And I mentioned earlier that he is probably the greatest order of our time. And I also think that he has this way, not just in speaking, but in writing that is really powerful. The only other way that I have been struck or the only other time that I've been struck by the power of somebody's writing was reading Augustine. I read Augustine and I thought, I want to be able to write like that. I'm reading Fulton Sheen and I'm thinking, I want to be able to write like that. Like I want to be able to do that. And I just wanted to read a brief passage out of here because I think it really well encapsulates his ability to write, to communicate an idea and his depth of knowledge on the faith. And this, so again, this is from his book, Victory Over Vice, which you can get from Sophia Institute Press. And this is specifically, specifically, words are difficult. See, how am I gonna write like Fulton Sheen and I can't even speak English. I don't know. He says, on the topic of anger, it is not hatred that is wrong. It is hating the wrong thing that is wrong. It's not anger that is wrong. It's being angry at the wrong thing that is wrong. Tell me your enemy and I will tell you what you are. Tell me your hatred and I will tell you your character. Do you hate religion? Then your conscience bothers you. Do you hate the wealthy? Then you are average and you want to be wealthy. Do you hate the common worker? Then you are selfish and a snob. Do you hate sin? Then you love God. Do you hate your hate? Your selfishness, your quick temper, your wickedness. Then you are a good soul. For if any man come to me and hate not his own life, he cannot be my disciple. I picked this quote in its simplicity, but in its simplicity, it also shows the amount of depth. And I can't help but read that and picture his mind working and seeing him weaving these things together in such a beautiful way. We're, as you said earlier, we're talking about how he doesn't pull any punches. But you can't, I don't know, can you be offended at that? I mean, is he wrong? It's so powerful. It really, he just hits home so often. And even if it's kind of riddle-like, where you're like, where's this going? And then it just like, boom, it hits you and you're like, whoa. It ends with the gospel. Inspirational, yeah, truth revealed right there. And you're faced. You know, when I'm going through and I'm highlighting things and this is gonna be one of those books that just probably has every other page, something that's gonna be highlighted. It's like marked up. Yeah, it's gonna be easier to not highlight things than it is to highlight things. It'd probably be a whole lot safer. But yeah, incredible book, Victory Over Vice, Archbishop Bolton Sheen. But again, as you said, how many books do we have written? Yeah, 34 plus 32. Yeah, incredible. 66, wow. We do a radio show, but we don't do math. I don't do math. That is actually against my religion. I refuse to participate. What would Colton Sheen say to that? He'd probably tell me to do the order. Do you hate math? Yeah, what does that say about me? What does it say about me, George? Do you hate math? What does that say? Do you long to be a mathematician? No, I do not. Do you wish you were a scientist? I certainly do not. Yeah, no. So back to Colton Sheen. This is something interesting that I found about him that I'm not sure a lot of people know. The FBI, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, had several records on him. I read... I didn't read through all of them because some of them are very difficult to read because it's all photocopies. But I will put the link in the show notes. But the vault.fbi.gov, real place from the FBI. It's the FBI Records Vault. They had dossiers on him. Yeah. I mean, come on. It's because he was preaching. Against communism. Yeah, that was one of the big things that they brought up. And they also asked him to speak at the FBI Academy, which is really interesting as well. So, but again, prominent Catholic arch... I don't know if he was a bishop or archbishop at the time when he spoke at the Academy. I didn't see when that was. But a prominent Catholic figure, I mean, no hiding who he is or what he does is asked to speak at the FBI Academy. Oh, how far has our world fallen? Could you imagine? I know, right? What happened today? It really wouldn't. But yeah, so they had... You can actually go look at these. And again, I'll have them in the show notes, but it's fascinating just to look back and see all these records that they have. Someone's sending letters. Hey, have you heard this sermon from this Bishop Sheen talking about communism? I'm not sure. There was one really fascinating one where someone apparently, a communist agent spy contacted Fulton Sheen and was trying to trick him into something. And so Fulton Sheen contacted the FBI. Oh, wow. I want to read about this story. It's really... Is that why he's canonization's on pause? I know. I know that's not why. There's so much going on behind the scenes for that. But just as another example of the life that he lived on fire for Christ in a huge way, never ending his study, never ending his research, never ending his teaching, his talking, his loving, all of these things giving in such a fervent and powerful way. So like what you just said, fervent and powerful, I think, what can we take away from this? The life of the saint. Honestly, it's just that it's, this man gave his all, everything he did. I mean, he was dedicated to speaking and writing. And he knew that that's what God wanted him to do. He knew his call and he was passionate about it. He spent the time, he was in his books, he studied, he spent a lot of time researching the topics and he knew his stuff. And I just, that inspires me, right? Like if I wanna become good at something, like you gotta put the work into it. It's not like it comes out of thin air. But also it was prayer. And he spent a lot of time with the Lord. And it was God who was guiding him the whole time. And it was through his grace, through his love, like the passion he had came from our Lord. And that's how he was so zealous, right? Like that's how he was so on fire is because it came from the Holy Spirit. Like that wasn't just him. And so we can live like this too. You think, oh, I can never be like Fulton Sheen. Like he's so great. Like how could I ever, how could I ever be that eloquent? You can, but it's not you. That's the best part is it doesn't have to be me. I think every once in a while I stop and being like, oh man, what is my life? And I wonder like, how did I get here? Like, I don't know what I'm doing. And then the Lord reminds me, he's like, excuse me, this is me working through you. You can't do this on your own, like impossible. But with me, you can do all things. And so I think that that helps like motivate me when I'm like, I'm walking on a cliff. I don't know how to do this. Well, and something important you said, it isn't all us. It's the Holy Spirit. It's us giving God our yes, but it is, I think it's such a beautiful and important point that if you desire to be like Fulton Sheen, where you began, do what he did. And what did he do? Adoration. He spent an hour every day in adoration. Lots of prayers. If you can do it, do it. I mean, that's the way, you know? So anyway, it's just a beautiful thing. And I'm really looking forward to learning more about him. We should have a second episode coming at some point with someone who's an expert who can kind of expound more on his life and the things that he did. Because as I said at the beginning of the show, we just don't have enough time to get into everything. With that being said, we actually are at the final seconds. Thank you for tuning into St. Sages, Venerable Fulton Sheen. Pray for us. Pray for us. All right, for those behind the scenes, thank you for staying. We have some questions and some comments that we would love to respond to real quick before we get out of here. All right, Jordan, what do we have on the table? You want to put it up? Go for it. Maggie, spin them up. Juan Luis, Venerable Fulton J. Sheen played a great role to my spiritual growth and his charisma was very attractive. Charisma, great word. That's a great descriptor. I agree with you. Already on your way to eloquence. I agree with you. What's the next one? That wasn't more of a comment. Oh, another one from Juan. For any couple who are serious about the vocation of marriage, I recommend the book. Oh yeah, three to get married. Yes. Someone recommended that to me. We were just given that book to read. So we got to get on that. There you go. Thank you Juan. What's the next one? I can't say our blessed Lord without thinking of him index finger raised. That's awesome. That's great. I saw you on a DIR this morning. I produced DIR. Thank you for tuning in for this show as well. What's next? Since we are in Holy Week in Jesus' Passion, the seven last words I also recommend for Juan. You're going to be our official book recommender. Yeah. This is great. Okay. Can you address a question? I can try. We can both try. Where is this famous anecdote? Archbishop Sheen told a story about a terminal cancer patient, William. William's face was happy in a way with cancer. He was tormented and a hateful man who purposely devised tracks to corrupt, I'm assuming traps to corrupt young people. Archbishop Sheen came to she, William. He kicked the archbishop out after five seconds. Oh, yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Do you know where this is from? Yes, I cannot believe that you brought this up because I listened to the podcast episode and there's so many, right? But I happened to listen to this one. So I don't know if I'm going to be able to remember it, but essentially... Where does it come from? This story, this was an actual experience that he had with a man who was dying and he was asked to come and visit this man, but the man didn't want anything to do with archbishop. And so he sent him away. Archbishop Sheen was like, I couldn't be in there for like a second. He just like shoot me out. So every single day for like the next, I think it was like 30 days or something. He came, I think it was like, well, it might have been just two weeks. He came to the hospital and was like, can I be with you? Can I be with you? And like every single day he's like, no, go away, go away. And like over a period of time, more and more the man was like, yes, fine, you can stay. Now at the very end of his life, finally he was able to like share Jesus with him and like the gospel is like, do you believe, like can we talk about this? Like what's in your heart? And he just kept rejecting. And I think it was the very, very end of his life. And y'all go listen to his episode on this. This is phenomenal. Oh, so he's telling the story. Fulton Sheen tells the story. Oh, well that answers the question anyway, contain it. Of him experiencing this man. Okay, good, good. And at the end of his life, he kicks Fulton Sheen out. I think this is like the last time he saw him. And then the nurse apparently, okay, he said this to him. He's like, please, if anything happens, like just say Jesus have mercy on me or something like a line like that. And he's like, no, I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to say it. I don't want anything to do with that. And he just kept rejecting. And then at the very end, he said, apparently the nurse had told him at the end of his life, he was dying. And I think he was like striking his chest and saying Jesus have mercy on me and Jesus have mercy on me. And that's how he died. And so Fulton Sheen like basically saved this guy from probably a lot of pergadoy. So to answer John Smith from YouTube, where does the story come from? It sounds like it comes directly from Fulton Sheen. Yeah, you can listen to podcast episodes. Do you know which John Smith from YouTube also says, can you suggest something of the title? I bought all the podcasts 10 years ago, but there are hundreds. Okay, to be honest, I can look it up. I'll look it up right now. She's going to look it up right now. And while she's looking it up, Juan says Fulton Sheen had true devotion to Eucharistic adoration for a busy man he gave an hour every day. Yeah, something interesting. So my dad, actually there's a great, there's a story about my dad that I love. We were kind of throwing up like a, I think it was when he was leaving the EWTN, one of those things where there was a little get together with some of the people who worked with him. And one of the women was saying, you know, there was this time where y'all were going to this important, you know, you all were going to a prayer thing and I had something else that I needed to do. And basically I'm totally destroying the story. But dad said, no, no, no. Prayer is always important. Prayer is the most important. You can do that project later, but now you need to pray. I just love that. Oh, that's beautiful. So did you find it? I did. Okay, so it's number four. It's called the divine invasion on iTunes. So if you just go to iTunes. So John Smith from YouTube, it is the divine invasion, right? There you go. Oh, welcome back. Venerable Fulton Sheen actually gave me insight when addressing atheism with his quote about they, those who deny the existence of water are still thirsty. Should I be talking? Maybe. I don't know. Let's say I get those who deny the existence of water are still thirsty. Ah, yeah. Powerful. There's some other quotes. Other ways that he's said certain things in this book. Again, for behind the scenes folks, victory over vice. There's some things that he says in here that the way he says them, it's like that. I mean. Yeah, how can you deny that? Wow. It's so powerful. That's the straight truth. Let's see what's one of the other highlights He's on fire. I just can't wait to meet him one day. So amazing. I listened to his podcasts probably more than like any other podcast. I'm just saying. Love it. I feel like I have to listen multiple times though because he's so filled with knowledge that I can't comprehend just after one listen. Here's one more quote. Maybe I'm not dumb. And then we'll get out of here. The reason for forgiving is ignorance. What? The reason for forgiving is ignorance. Divine innocence found such reason for pardon. Certainly guilty can do no less. Context, he's talking about how when Jesus was on the cross he said forgive them for they know not what they do. It's ignorance of what they do. Oh, ignorance. Right. So the reason for forgiving is ignorance. Divine innocence found such a reason for pardon. Certainly guilty can do no less. Powerful. All right, folks. Thank you so much for staying and talking with us. I really enjoyed it on both YouTube and Facebook comments. We do this all the time. So. We're here every Tuesday. Click notifications. Make sure to put us at the top of your feed. Subscribe if you're on YouTube. 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