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You know, I would say that episode 52 should be special 52 weeks in a year Right, but I should probably go back and mark down when did it start weekly? So we know we've hit up, you know an actual full year in a row. Yeah Yeah, well, we should actually go back to and figure out when the very first one is because I Know yeah, it's so sporadic at the beginning I was to work in its Ellen former long story been over it on our live streams before anyways Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast while we have one guest this week. You guys know who he is He's like the seducer of our weekends here. Whoa I've never heard that before and I would gladly accept Gladly accept by the way, how short of 300 subs are you over there on your YouTube channel 5j? Like only like 16 folks. It's pretty close. All right. Nice. I want 16 of you this week to go over I know we're all busy. We understand tomorrow you Odyssey. Got it. You're busy 16 of you. That's all I ask I got like 64 subs today I'll need a 16 of you guys. Yeah, go over his channel. Let him hit 300 Come on guys can do it and trying to promote them a little bit. Let's get 5j You know, we have like 20 plus people that show up sometimes for his dreams on weekends. Go subscribe to his channel, right? He's he does a lot of if you love 5j Saturdays 5j Sundays, dude He does that stuff all the time on his channel plus. He does like some kooky things with his wife He's just an all-around good guy over there Food episodes But no seriously go follow 5j he does some great work I the whole the whole reason I love having him live stream for us is because I think he's an excellent live streamer I hope you guys agree And if you have any feedback for him feel free to leave it obviously a feedback for me as well We want to always improve our live streams But yeah, we I really want to start getting his channel going a bit more over there because he deserves it He works too hard to not be further ahead than where he is now Thank you, Nate that being said We obviously have to address that elephant that's in this room, right? Well, I mean, yeah So we're recording this this is like We're gonna blow your guys's minds you're not gonna hear this until Monday or sometime next week We are recording this the night that Super Mario Odyssey releases So we're gonna talk about Odyssey, but this is just to keep it in context that we haven't played it Yeah, so we will be playing it like shortly after We're done. Yeah recording. Yeah, but uh, yeah, we're not playing it Before we talk about it today. So everything we talk about today is going to be in context of no experience with the game now That being said we obviously can't ignore the fact it's coming I thought about like making this like a another themed week like when we did retro week I'm like, dude, everyone's just gonna want to talk Odyssey all night. Yeah, we can't just not have some sort of conversation about it I will tell you we're not gonna have obviously any impressions or previews or In-depth discussions We're actually going to have a separate video that we're gonna do next week where I'm gonna try to get some people together To talk about it as kind of like a podcast bonus or or something on the side kind of like when Eric and I did a Impression on was it Mario plus rabbits? Yeah, that was separate that was separate from the podcast as well because Our podcast runs on a weekly schedule. So it's not always gonna line up perfectly with game releases So because of that, we're still gonna do, you know, some awesome coverage of those game releases But they might not always be in our podcast per se Especially since we record on Thursday's podcast doesn't come until Monday that gives three days worth of editing Which believe me after last week's three and a half hour podcasts of Wolf then that didn't start releasing on YouTube until like Wednesday It sometimes it takes longer. Yeah, our podcast can get crazy, but it won't be three hours this time We're in a time limit. I am not missing the Super Mario Odyssey launch priorities, right But I have to address it because there are some things we do know We are recording this the day obviously the day of the night of the game coming out So you guys know that it is like Thursday. We got three hours or something like that So Super Mario Odyssey reviews have been landing the embargoes up So there's a lot of details out there. We could look up, but I'm gonna avoid all that cuz no spoilers But those reviews Yeah, okay I don't know how many of you guys out there care a lot a lot of people do because that's all they can See to talk about today. Maybe it's just because they don't have the game. So they Can't talk about But man, we thought Breath of the Wild was impressive earlier this year It's sad at like number one game of all time for a good couple months And then finally, you know more reviews try to get counted and it kind of fell down a little bit But not far. It's about a 97 on most websites open credit at critic I think has it at 96 either way. That's like the top score from this year. Yeah Then Super Mario Odyssey comes around I Don't know exactly where it's at right this second But I remember earlier today when I reported on it Um on game rankings calm. It was the number one rated game of all time at a 99 percent It was like a point nice 0.5 percent ahead of And by the way, they don't even have opening time no wonder I think it was 0.5 percent ahead of Super Mario galaxy Which was like 0.3 percent ahead of opening of time. Wow Yeah, galaxy is one of those games depending on, you know, what reviews were counted. It's right up there for way back when and I'm trying to think metacritic. That's obviously a big one. A lot of people care about it was tied with breath of the wild at a 97 Obviously way less reviews counted so it could end up going higher It could end up dropping below breath of the wild, but it's like right there Currently it's technically like percentage points ahead of breath of the wild But they don't show you percentage points. They just show you a hard score there So it's it's technically rated higher, but it's gonna show you it's the same rating And then it was how was the other one said there was open critic that and Oh, I don't think I talked about all game rankings Game rankings. I'm sorry. That was the one that had the 99% open critic had it at a 98 Where breath of the wild was at 96 so full full two points ahead Impressive Just insane and say we've known the reviews were probably gonna be good for why because like Edge magazine was the first one to get a Review out perfect tens the myths who came out gave it, you know, it tied for the highest 3d Mario score ever at a 39 out of 40 You know as I said basically the original galaxy in Super Mario 64 are the only games to come close in the 3d Mario space And I'm prophecy 3d because there are some 2d games that I've rated a little higher not overall like aggregate wise but huh so breath of the wild 97 Yeah, Super Mario Galaxy 97 to the highest rated games of all time Releasing on a brand new platform granted. I know what the water game. Why don't we you? Sorry Odyssey. I've been doing that all day. I'm gonna call the galaxy all day All day because it's been probably since Galaxy that I've even been remotely close to this height Yeah, and I can tell you right now. I'm probably gonna cry when I start playing the game Yeah, because I'm like Galaxy Galaxy is fantastic. I mean, I did not this takes nothing away from Galaxy You have not really had a true Kind of open exploration Mario game since morning 64. It's only ever been one Yeah It's amazing too. It was so popular, but they only did it once Granted that was in the heyday There's other you know Banjo-Kazooie and all those other like three platformers with the open exploration was kind of a big deal back Then but it's gone away. Now 3d platformers haven't per se. I mean Mario kind of persisted But again galaxies like you're going planet the planet. That's not really open I mean a lot of the planets kind of felt the same over time Whereas in Super Mario 64, we know each world that you went into was vastly different I'm same art style not as different as this is crazy. We have like right, right, you know lunch food and Yeah, you know like an ocean kingdom and you know, yeah, New York City Basically New York City with realistic visuals like what all that and there's some people that are put off by by all that Different art styles, but I actually kind of like that. Yeah so Before we talk a little bit about Odyssey We have to address what I feel is even the bigger elephant in the room Is this the best launch here for a Nintendo console in the history of Nintendo consoles? Personally I would have to say yeah So, I mean what for as far as launch years what what launch has ever had So many games in the first six months let alone the first year I mean if you look at the upcoming titles that are still coming out in 2017 for the switch It's insane Dozens and dozens of them still this calendar year. It's blowing my mind and we have basically You know it'd be an equivalent of having like Ocarina of Time Man Super Mario 64 launching in the same year Which did not happen. No did not So, yes, I'd have to say it's Super Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time launched in the same year That would just be insane and that's what we're getting this way Yeah, yeah, two of the highest rated games that ever exist from two of the most iconic franchises to ever exist Oh, for sure same year. Yeah, that's just a platform that people like Yeah, yeah, you know it's not like the n64 I think people liked it, but it was a little weird right the controller Yeah, it was definitely playing second fiddle at the time to like PlayStation PlayStation 2 and Nintendo doesn't feel like they're playing second fiddle They're leading on the sales charts, which admittedly they should be because the consoles are going up against released years ago But I mean the fact that they're leading on the sales charts means they're not playing second fiddle those systems for sales right now, so It's I Mean, we're just talking about to the you know highest rated games of all time a little blah, but there's also things like you know Splatoon 2 and and arms And Mario Bros. Rabbids Kingdom battle like those are just like the franchises that Nintendo help bring bring out You know, obviously an Ubisoft did Mario Bros. Rabbids Kingdom battle and actually an interesting point was brought up when I was watching the digital Foundry technical analysis of it of Mario Odyssey every single Nintendo published game on switch But Breath of the Wild which they're going to give a pass because it started on Wii U. Sure is 60 FPS Just that's awesome So every switch exclusive basically that they've released that they have published themselves not, you know publish one of the company It's like fire and the Warriors 60 FPS and that although there's an option to be 30 FPS like everything 60 and I was thinking about that because a lot of people say oh you only need 60 FPS of like for certain and like shooters Or multiplayer games and here's the Nintendo like well Here's a single-player platformer and now you're getting a 60. Yeah. Yeah period like Mario's never a 3d Mario games Fun fact, I don't know if anybody knows there's never been a 3d Mario game in at 60 FPS And because there's never been a 3d Mario game at 60 FPS None of us unless we have the game or you guys know by now playing it before this game came None of us know what that feels like unless you cheated and played it on PC with an emulator, right? Even then is that true 60 because that's just you know, that's for scene 60 versus the game being built for it, right, right? now Fun little fact There was a demo build it never came public of Super Mario Sunshine that ran at 60 FPS But the final version was 30. So It did they they did try the 60 FPS thing at one point for some reason they dropped it probably Too many cutbacks because even an odyssey It doesn't run at, you know a stable resolution. It's dynamic It changes between three different resolutions. I don't have it written down for me But in docked mode changes between three different resolutions. It's like 900 p 810 p and 720 So it never dips below HD In in portable mode, it's really weird It's like 720p, but like it when you stand still it's always 720p when you stand still but when you're in motion It's like it splits it off into like two different images that are like 640 by 720 and like the world ends up still looking 720p Well, if you count it, it's 720p, but Mario himself is not He's actually a lower resolution. It's really and from apparently what Whoa, Henry said you're not gonna be able to like it's not such a small screen You are not really going to notice it at all. Yeah, but it's something they did to maintain the 60 FPS That is an insane solution, right? Like we're gonna have the world at one thing, but your character model No, it's gonna be a lower res. Yeah, the thing you're seeing all the time for sure lower right like and Whatever because of the size of the screen it works I was gonna say your world is a lot bigger part of the screen than what your character is So yeah, it makes a little more sense. And you know, there's other cutbacks of the shadow qualities aren't as good I mean, that's all obvious stuff But on that small of a screen and I've said this before when people complain like about doom Dropping a little bit below sub HD because here we go. Here's Mario's model dropping below HD You're not gonna notice on a screen that size. No Like when people like oh my gosh, just dropping on the 540p, dude We've been playing 3ds games at 240p for the last five years You're telling you're really gonna notice on that small screen between 720 and 540 I dare you yeah to record and eyeball me eyeball that and tell me what it flipped between 720 540 We're gonna tell right. I think the Vita was only 540p and that was a good looking screen. Yeah, it's it's ridiculous when people I mean, I understand if it's 540p on the big screen, you're gonna notice of course Yeah, but but this is a tiny screen. That's the one advantage of a portable system with a tiny screen is you can get away with stuff like right I Mean come on said 3ds has been getting away with 240p, which in 20 think well in 2017 They're still selling a system at 240p screen. It's sad. Yeah. Yeah, it's like man. How did the Nintendo get away with that? Because well, there's no competition. Yeah, the games. Yeah anyways Yeah This launch year I Was trying to look up before this because when I came up this time, I gotta go back through Nintendo's launch years, right? We had a pretty good first year I Believe in that first year. I can't I believe was the first within the first 12 months They had Galaxy come out And that was kind of the big one and if you want to pair that with we sports and smash like that's a pretty good first year We sports is not widely considered one of the best games ever made though. It's a very popular game. Yeah It blew up the platform. It was a system seller for sure But it wasn't like right among gamers and consider them like among like people like us that are gaming enthusiasts We might love we sports, but there's no way in heck. We're putting that above Galaxy, right, right, you know, and he pretty much any Mario game. I'm sure. Yeah It was like a Mario Party game kind of yeah Oh, good fun, but yeah, I'm not gonna top anybody's best games of all-time list. Yeah, right, right? So and yeah, smash. That's great. I mean, but this year it's not like Yes, we have the two, you know to the two pillars But you know, we didn't even mention Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. I get it. It's a port But it's the best Mario Kart game ever made. Yeah, battle mode Objectively the best now they brought battle mode. That was like the difference maker. That was the one thing It's like, yeah, you can still argue cart 64 because of the battle mode. Yeah, I mean more so Yeah, it's I Can't think of a better year the only way it could get better obviously is if you really care about third-party games Nintendo has had systems in the past like the SNES where like the first year had a whole bunch of third-party games. Yeah So if you were really into those, that's fine But now you're talking about big developers because I mean is is that definition including indie games? That that's a thing that's a thing that right now Before the game even launched before my Odyssey even came out. There's over 200 games on switch Now I know a lot of people like oh, but indie games don't count do they not are they not games? I'm sorry, right? Yeah And actually I believe the Sonic Mania was the hundredth game on the system crazily So there's been a hundred games since Sonic Mania Whoa, oh, it's gonna say there's about 20 games coming up a week Like if you go in the eShop, it's so hard to keep up And that's why I actually hope that they revised the eShop a little bit It's time now you're getting so many releases now. You need to do something about that Let the cream rise to the top, you know, that's the thing where I don't think Nintendo needs a Nintendo seal of quality But I think when they're going through they need to actually try all the games and be like, okay I know this this dad might have put a bunch of time into this one game But it's really not that good and we don't want that representing our system in front of the eShop Now again, I've talked about in the past so they could fix this and if they make the default Page that you see in the eShop more like the front page of Netflix Where you have all the different genres and you can you're gonna find those games anyways Like if you release a sports game right now, there's only like eight sports games on there when you scroll through that You're gonna see that that crappy, you know supposedly crappy indie game. It's still gonna get a shot Yeah, yeah But good plan and then Nintendo can obviously, you know They'll have their featured area at the top and that's what they'll have like Odyssey and you know the AAA pubs or any Exclusive indie games because you don't intend to like to pump in those exclusives Golf story come on. Come on. Oh, yeah, keep that going keep pumping that so good Still haven't beat it, but I'll get there after Odyssey. So Everything gets set to the side for Odyssey. My life gets set to the side My children you must Locking you in the room. I got to play Odyssey. Yeah And for the viewers out there, that's not true Just gonna throw that out there because you know, there will be that one crazy Number one Don't worry. That's what the girlfriend's for No God I'm pretty sure she's gonna be tired of watching the kids after two hours tomorrow. So I'm gonna have them all day So enjoy my Odyssey stream You guys have already enjoyed it by the time you hear this but I'm recording this before I get Odyssey And I'm doing a live stream of Odyssey Enjoy it because you might not see me for a few days not because I'm playing Odyssey Although I'll probably play it. Yeah, but because I'll be watching my kids She needs a break. She's been through a lot this week Yeah, do you guys have any thoughts like I Literally can't think of any other time period that I prefer more with Nintendo for first year than right now Launch year. No, I mean, that's not mean we're not talking like oh my god This picture is the best lineup of all time like it's it's your one. Let's back on. Yeah. Yeah Mm-hmm, especially when you think of things like n64 think of all the great games I mean come on to massively good good like Like pillar games and then like, you know a handful of really really good games and you know indies We're not gonna dismiss indies. I think Too many of you guys dismiss indies and it kind of upsets me Yeah, I actually almost might need to make a rant video on that. Oh, why not go for it? Seriously, haven't we passed the threshold where indies are not considered? Ah Okay To make a triple a game what defines it as triple a is the budget. Yeah Okay, it used to be quality quality used to be the defining factor, but I'm sorry There are indie games better than triple a games. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, so Are they triple a then no so now triple is based on budget So back in the day used to be you had triple a then you had b tier because indies, you know b tier basically was indies Yeah Then b tier went away and triple a took over and triple a started crashing in on itself And then all of a sudden the indie scene popped up. You know what the indie scene is it's called the b tier It's just back. Yeah, and you're gonna tell me games like earthworm Jim back in the day We're not worthy of being in consideration with all the other platformers of the day You can even say argue that Mega Man back then was a b tier game. Is that not on power? Yeah. Yeah, I know Yeah, I know but I'm just saying that a lot of these franchises we know and love today kind of started out as b tier games They weren't like this Mega Man. Yeah, for sure. It's a little bit janky Yeah, it's one of those things that we need to start giving indies the respect of the desert. There's plenty of you that do obviously I mean, I can't tell you how many people keep beating me over the head that I don't own Stardew Valley and steamed egg two yet. Oh I Think I I mean It's just cuz there's so many games coming out so many ones I want to buy I can't afford to buy them all But man that's the thing like when people say oh the switch doesn't have games or it's lacking third-party support I get it. It doesn't have as much AAA third-party support as you want, but man Even though we you and 3ds. I don't remember our first year that had this many great indie games. Yeah Like hold it like every week. There's like top tier indie games really see Some older Stardew Valley as an example But the reason that people are so excited about that. It's like Stardew Valley. It's the new Harvest Moon. It's it feels like it's home Yeah, and it's bringing in people who never played Harvest Moon. Yeah, like somehow it's appealing even broader than its source material Just great just crazy