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The on-off romance between Sam Avery and Dave Vitty has took another twist, because Sam is away on holiday. So they're not quite in the force from again today, but just taking it slow. Do you want a break? I don't know whether... I mean, the art, technically. But taking it slow, I like that. I like that. Don't have to dive in. But David, how are you? Very good. Thank you. I'm all good. As you said, we were chatting before we pressed record on here, and it was very nearly the perfect weekend. Just gone if it weren't for the fact that Luton obviously won at the end. Yeah. But aside from that, it all was pretty good. And, you know, again, we were just saying if it weren't for the fact that Luton are in direct competition with us, you can only admire what they're doing, because they're not going anywhere, are they? They are. Very durable. For a bit, it goes on Saturday. It was great. Brentford with two down. Luton were getting beat. We were winning. I was like... This is going well. It's weird the way they kept on putting the scores on the screen until Luton scores to the second goal. Why are you putting the scores on the screen, Evan? How continuous? Who thinks that's a good idea? So why didn't you put them on for when Luton scored the second goal? Byddai siw'n Brentford a'n competitors, even though Evan were above Brentford a'n ar above Brentford. But there was a stage where they put them on just to... It was nil-nil. It was a terrible game, and they just put them on the screen. And I think it was basically saying, lads, everyone else is rubbish. Don't worry about it. It's all nil-nil. Everyone's rubbish. You don't have to try too hard because you're already doing okay. We're not special. Nobody's special. But they didn't put the score when Luton went to one up. They didn't put the score when Luton equalised either, don't they? No, they didn't. The bitch straight. I mean, we get on to the game in a minute, but Ned is making up the four this week. Could it just add three? No, I asked him to come on to make it a four, basically because I like the new thing. But I want to go to Ned because Ned experienced hospitality at a football match. For the first time in his life. For the first time in his life. Some of us hospitable. Some of us hospitable. Some of us hospitable. Some of us hospitable. He wasn't hospitalized, no. He was in hospitality at Godderson at the weekend care to see one of our premiums. You care to see us? You care to see us because, yeah, we were invited. But it went down the, it went down the food chain. He's spare. And he looks. That's the way thing. He looks like Harry. And he was Harry. There you go. And he took his very own Meghan... He took Meghan Markle with him. He did. It's very own. Meghan Cameron. But Ned, what was your first experience of hospitality at Godderson Park at the weekend? Did you enjoy it? Yeah, well, do you know what? Like going to matches normally something where you just go in for what really happens on the pitch. There's not really much of an experience at Godderson is there. So for me, it was just kind of like a chance to go with a match. And it's not really that. Obviously we need a win. It's huge, but if the game's crap and it was to be honest, it gives me a chance to have a good day out rather than I'm just there to support the Blues on. But I had a good day out to be fair. It was actually really, really fun. I'd love to do it again, but I'm not made of money. Even if you had the money, let's be honest, Ned. You wouldn't spend it anyway. Let's be honest. So go on. What you went in was to... You greeted with a drink. Was the food before? What was the London? Godderson Park, which is like the earliest. I've ever been anywhere near the ground. A lot of people are going to the pub again from that day. It's a bit of a shot. Mere't a loch, a bit of a loch opened on the door… a bit of bang it on the door. I'm making it most of it. So you go in, you get champagne, you get like a bread roll and stuff. You get a programme. He went for a champagne, it seemed a bread roll. Bread roll. Bread roll, everybody. They sit you down at the table and you get a four course meal. The food was like, oh, food was brilliant. I had a beef salad for starters. I had a fillet steak for me main, I had a cheese cake for me dessert and then at half time, get this, we went back in the lounge at half time and I had a cheese board and I'm sitting there eating cheese and I look up at the screens and the games kicked off and I went finish this bit of cheese. You were one of those knobheads that went in the semis and the finals on a Wembley. I want to make the most of that cheese. Listen, I'm probably not going to get another free cheese board so I'm going to make the most of it. I don't even know what cheese I was eating but it was nice. There you go. There's the hospitality day off for Ned. Dave, you know, as the game, as a spectacle of games, a spectacle wasn't tremendous by any stretch of the imagination, little quality on show from both sides. The thing that disappointed me all week and I think we said this last week, we were talking about like Evan being making like an intense start at the game and nearly trying to get barely on the back foot and we come out and I think we pressed for the first kind of like two minutes, we like ran around a little bit and then it just dropped again. You know, they can't have say oh well a crowd went with us because the crowd were brilliant. You know at the start, the siren, the flags, the banners and all that but we've got a real problem with that intensity isn't it trying to whip the crowd up in the opening 10 or 15 minutes and it can't because we're not fit enough. So what do you think it is? Do you think it's a mindset or because it's not, I don't think it can be about quality when it's just about chasing people down and putting that little bit of intensity in it. How did you share? I think it is a mindset thing. You know, we touched on this last week and so much is there's a bit of a head down mentality for me at the moment, you know, where they look like they're carrying the pressure of the situation that they find themselves in. And certainly for me, Saturday felt nervy on both sides because of the weight of importance of that fixture. You know, and this is what you find sometimes and this is why, you know, it's no surprise that often we do better against the better sides in the fixtures that were perhaps not expected to do anything in, you know, queue Chelsea away coming up. Because when you've got something like Burnley at home where you've got Brentford at home or you've got Luton at home or whatever, it's that whole thing of like we have to win this, you know, we have to beat Burnley at home otherwise we're doomed and we have no chance. And I think that that weight does affect them adversely. And I think it certainly did on Saturday. And yeah, as I say, it was, it just felt, it felt like there was a pressure situation and I do think it's a mindset thing. But for the most part awful game, there was a few chances, but they just didn't really look sharp up front. And let's face it, you know, it was, it was much needed, but you know, Dom's goal, Luke, but a very welcome fluke. And then that's two and two for him. It is weird, and I've seen, like Nunes scored one for Liverpool the same goal the other night. And then it means that we're watching some highlights in the championship and in the less the game is the same goal, goalkeeper kicking it against the striker and going in. But I mean, being in the game, I mean, it was, I said to me matriarchs and it was quite fitting that game was decided by that goal because it was a poor game, wasn't it? It was, it was a, it was an appalling game of football. And I do think Dave right though, do you think it's, cos you know what, I felt more worried at five o'clock than it was at three after watching it. But I've come away and I've, I've struck me mind and thought, you know what, maybe forest and Brentford will be different because they are more. No, I think, I think there's a sense of that. I think the game was appalling and I do think, I do think the, the thing about like pressing and stuff is all by design. The manager doesn't, it's so risk a face. And he said that himself. He said he designed an ugly win. And even when they got sent off, they weren't pressing. I find the whole Dwightmach Neil thing embarrassing if I'm being honest. I'll be honest, I'll say that. I find the whole thing of making a big deal out of that embarrassing. Number one, it's not even good pressing. The player shouldn't be running from left to right to centre. The centre forward is the only place you should be doing that. I find that very embarrassing. I find the club tweeting stuff like that embarrassing. I think that's a natural thing footballers should be doing anyway to pull it out there like, like he's just done something unbelievable. It's just, I find the whole thing. I find fans, I find fans championing that embarrassing to be honest. It was weird because Dwight didn't have a good game at all. So to, so to highlight something he did for 60 seconds. 60 seconds. Don't get me wrong in the game. I appreciate that kind of thing. It does lift the crowd. But afterwards, I just find the whole thing very cringe-worthy of going, look at this, a player chased down the ball. Didn't win it, by the way. Didn't win it. Didn't get anywhere near it. And actually, dych, bollwch ddim for leaving the left-hand side. Michael Ancold, 2v1 on the other side. Yeah, exactly, yeah. So I admire the sentiment. But that to me is really cringe-worthy. But I think was so risk a face that the manager did. Do you know why it is a little bit cringe-worthy? Because I remember Liverpool post on Andy Robertson doing it against City and our fans destroying it. All player runs wow. No, it's cringe. It's cringe. But anyway. The manager is really risk a face. We know that. And I think he just, he doesn't buy into all that stuff. That evidence he doesn't buy into. We've known that from day one where he's like, he said we're not having like bus welcomes or anything like that. Keeps everything on the down low. And I think what he does is. And to be fair, he's probably right. What he does is says, no, this is the game plan. And I'm not going to do something artificial to sort of get the crowd going. I'm going to stick to my game plan. And that was so evident after they went down to 10 men. That he was sticking to that. He wasn't going to go guns blazing. He was like, we got one nil. We're really good defensively. Why would we change that? I saw emotion and players back. Yeah. We were trying to catch them on the edge of the box and play counter to flack and football. And to be fair, we should have scored a couple of more goals. Don probably should have got one. Beto got taken out, whatever you think he got taken out. At the time I thought it was a penalty for my angle looks a penalty, but obviously it was outside the box. And then people telling me is not, but you go back and watch it. He does what any striker is supposed to do, cut across the centre. I changed my mind in the game. I was fuming with him because I thought he should have just gone for goal. He was in. And I could only think, when I was playing football, it doesn't matter if you're playing in the park or whatever. If you're running, you can see the white of the goal he's asked. You keep going because you think I've scored a goal. And he seemed to slow down, but I've watched it again from three. If an angle is fouled, it should be a red card. And he's trying to change the angle. He's going across the centre. I tell Zach to do it. I say to Zach, get him in front of the defender, run across him. He's given himself a little bit of time. So that's a red card. That's more a red card than the red card they actually got, which isn't really a red card. It's one angle terrible. One angle is terrible. I don't really care. But what I would say is look where the ball goes. It's how high it's leading. I'm 50-50 on that. I'm happy we got it. But one thing I will say is it's off the back and sometimes you need a horrible day to win with a goal like that. With a decision that's lucky to get you. And then that might settle everybody down, including the fans for the next home game. Because I think obviously there is a lot of nays and we haven't won. So we have to just take that now. Hopefully go to Chelsea and get something. That's doable. And then come back for that huge week. That's a big week. And that week could keep our Premier League status. Dave's absolutely spot on now, I think, is that game at the weekend. It was almost... This makes it sound like Everton, a boss. This isn't how I want it to come across. But it was almost a no win situation, Dave, do you think? Because we're playing a team who are second to bottom, who I think most people think will be relegate and I think they will anyway now for the Saturday. Everyone is expecting from an Everton perspective on me. Everyone's expecting us to win in the ground. Because even though we go, you know what, it wouldn't surprise me if Benley beat us. You sit down and you see the three o'clock o'clock and you're expecting them to beat Benley. And therefore we win and it isn't a good game. And it's a narrow win with a fluky goal. And you come out and... I spoke to a lot of people after the game at the weekend and they were like, feels like a defeat. Because Newton scored in the last minute and I was like... I understand we're not joyously dancing down Goddison Road or Bullens Road or whatever. But it was just about getting that win, Dave, wasn't it? We haven't won for four months. We haven't won a home. We've only won four home games all season. But Perth's right, isn't it? Sometimes it didn't really matter. It was about getting the three points and we move on now to Chelsea. Yeah, absolutely. It depends whether the win can actually lighten some of the pressure, improve the mindset, improve the confidence. Certainly, you know, neither were exactly worldies. One was a pen and one was obviously Saturday. But two and two for Dom should relieve some of the pressure on him. Which you would hope will translate into better performances and a bit more bite up front from him. I think... But it's in stark contrast to situations we found ourselves in before in other parts of the season whereby we've not been getting the results, but we've actually been creating loads of chances and we've been playing well. And there's been that optimism there that actually, do you know what, if they carry on playing like that, then the results will come. Because if you are creating chances, you will inevitably, by the law of averages, score goals. And obviously, you know, that will convert yourself to results. We're not in that situation at the moment now. And certainly there's nothing about Saturday's performance that makes you think that they're going to blow forest away. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah. Unless this result can translate itself, and obviously whatever happens at Chelsea away, can translate itself into a different mindset for that. Because as you say, that's a huge, huge week. And it could define what happens in the season. Or the end of the season rather. I think for me, the way I'm looking at it, I mean, I watched Sheffield United in Chelsea, I watched large parts of it, flipping between that and nothing in forest that spares yesterday, but Chelsea, they got individual brilliance when they showed it yesterday, but I'm not being funny. They're not a good football team, and defensively they're all over the place, and it's a bit of a congoan. And all Sheffield United did really yesterday was just stay compact. They rolled a little bit of times, but then Chelsea's keepers made three or four really good saves to keep them in the game, so to speak. So it's not, I don't think it's a game that I'm looking at and going, oh, we're not going to get anything there. I look at that and think we could easily go and get at least a point there. In fact, I'd argue this might be our best chance of breaking our winless run there. Simply by, if you can dog a game out like Sheffield United has been good that way. Who knows on the counter book then coming home to those three games. I'm going to put Liverpool to one side because that's a derby and anything can happen. But against Forreston, Brentford, Everton will be well aware of the threat of them. Then two teams and therefore it makes it more, I think, of a game which is a 55. I think the pressure isn't the same on those games, even though they're home games and we look and feel like we have to win. I mean Ned, what are you thinking for those three games? He's thinking about state. He's thinking about filled state. And bread roll, but bread roll more probably. But Ned, that Brentford and Forrest game, do you think people's mindset to be different to that than what it was on Saturday because I don't think anyone will look at them and go too easy wins them? You know what I mean? No, I think it's because Burnley are pretty much as good as down. I think most of the disappointment after the game was that we didn't absolutely slosh them. Certainly after they went down to 10 men. The way we reacted to that, it was almost like we played with 10 men. But I think we're a better organised team than Burnley and got better players. I think you look at Forreston and Brentford, you can argue that they've got a couple of individuals that are really dangerous. And if we go there, or if they come to us and we're more organised and we stick to a game plan, then there's no reason why we can't, you know, they can't be easy wins. But I look at teams like Chelsea and I think they're not good football teams. They've got decent players like Palmer. But if you go to a Stamford Bridge and you, like I said, you've got a good game plan and you work harder than them, I don't think there's no reason why we beat them. I think the game that worries me is a looting because they are a team that, you know, we've seen twice as good as in this season and they're actually quite good at home and they stick to a game plan and they really work hard together. And, you know, the beatings seem to see that you could argue have got much better individuals than them. So I think that's the game that worries me. And the fact that they're a team that are two points behind us. Well, they will be once we get the deduction. I think a bit more than the Brentford game worries me. But no, you're right. That's a tough game prepared. That, by then, the pity could look very easy. And that isn't still me. If Everton were to, again, a massive stretch this, but if Everton were to get seven points out the next block of fixing, the next four, because that's what it is till we play looting. Then I think by the time we play looting, you know, they go to Man City next week. They've got Brentford a home that we have done. And Brentford is still riding the mix at the moment Brentford. And Brentford have just gone to Villain, scored three goals by the way when he was doing all that. So I could see Brentford putting looting to bed. I can only throw the cut because I think they've got the ability, amni batle and scrap. Therefore, when we go there, if we were to get, it's a big if, of course, but if Everton were to get seven up the next 12 by the time we play looting. Yeah, I think our big issue is to win games. We generally need to keep a clean sheet. That's the big problem, isn't it, when you're playing Chelsea? They will score. They score goals. That's the other end they're having issues with. We couldn't have thrown it. I'm not saying we won. I'm just saying at the moment, it feels very much like, you know, we'll win. If we're going to win, it's going to be 1-0. And that makes it very edgy. Makes every game very edgy. Makes you feel nervous. It makes you feel like one mistake. And the game plan has to be turned completely round. So it's going to be a navy few weeks, obviously. The big difference as well being the fact that Forrest and Brentford have got goals in them. Burnley have got no goals. I mean, we've not got goals in us as we say every week, but we've got more about us than Burnley have got going forward. And that was, I mean, they've got nothing. Whereas, as you say, I mean, I wasn't concerned about Burnley scoring on Saturday. At no point did I sort of feel under threat. Whereas with Forrest and Brentford at any point, you know that they've got goals. Well, yeah, not in Forrest. They've got Wolves at home, next week. Cwc oed o waith. Then they go come to Everton. Then they've got City. You'd expect City to win that because they're going to have to. But then Forrest goes to Sheffield United. They'll win there. Then they've got Chelsea at home. Pends what Chelsea's changed up. They've got Burnley away. So they could easily get another eight points out of the six games. But that would still, even with Everton getting three points, that would, if Everton got the seven I'm talking about, and then had Sheffield United at home to beat, then Everton would finish above Forrest. So, you know, it's, we're going, I said last week, I think we needed four points in my opinion to stay up. Four points. We've got one of the weekend. So there's three to go on. But as we all know, we have this conversation all the time, guaranteed it will not go exactly how either. No, of course it won't. Or we want it, you know? Of course it won't. Yna'r taw. Y dda'r taw, yw'r lwch i'r hyffordd. Y angyrraff. Yn y fawr, dwi'n bryw angen, dwi'n bryw angen, mae'r ddweud y gwblion i'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Dwi'n bryw angen i'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Dwi'n bryw angen, dwi'n bryw wlff. Wlff sy'r y gwblion i'r ddweud. Yn ddweud, dwi'n bryw angen, dwi'n bryw wlff yw Westham. I think lwun ddaf i gael'r hwn games, don't you now? I think the wind oil on home games. Two. Even if yeah true we'd after match them. Yeah I think they have to win all their homegames and you know the way games are quite tough so and they have got that something about them where they never give up on me so that on I mean I don't know what the ball my centre back was doing for the win And you just sort of had to lie down or something didn't you. But yeah and the forest of show that you know Chris Wood could have put them in the league yesterday but someone spectacularly smashed one against the post on my yard. So it's obviously a risk for them. At that stage he should have been dead and buried. 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Gael i'r Gruffydd yn gafel ar y gafel, rhaid i'r gafel. Rhaid i'r Gruffydd yn gafel, rhaid i'r gafel ar y gafel. Rhaid i'r Gruffydd yn gafel ar gyfer gafel, yn ffrindio gyda James Garnay. Pryddoch yn gwych. An, you know, for the second week, okay, I haven't got a penalty at Newcastle uppe bl顿 ach cyc, but it was a stonewall penalty, but evident didn't have a penalty last week at Bournemouth for the same thing, and yet when we went to Old Trafford the other week, Gheart Math Joga, Penalty for the exact same thing, so I mean, Dave, it's— I don't understand it. It's crazy, isn't it? Yeah, I don't understand it. The Ghana one for me was clear yesterday, sorry Saturday. You can see it though, it's positioning. He's right behind it. Right gwan, it got a go to grand when there's the opportunity of a shot. There's a penalty, a simple fact. As I said, Beth always taken out and that was a penalty, and we're not getting either decisions. 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Mae ydyna'r gyffordd am oed smrach cynllun yn cynllun ti yw rhyddol. Ar ddwy'r dda nyfas awg ddomethe companies, dyn nhw nid o'r hollosh fydd ei rhoi, maen nhw'n gwybod ychydig o'r ddisysgwyl. Yna, dyna'n gweithio y bwyl ar gyfer James Garnett. Rydyn ni'n gwybod ychydig o'r gain ar Lywodraeth. Rydyn ni'n angen, rydych chi'n unig, rydych chi'n gynnangol i'r gynhyrch. stimulus Yn wych. Rhyw gwrs Yn hypaf o gwyl. Mae ffordd, rydyn ni'n gwoith, rydyn ni'n gweithio'r wylochwn i Michael Oliver y blwyddyn, yn y gwas newlydd.'n gweithio? Mae'r golym eich sil yn dda i'm aden. Po'r rhan drwp yn srwm ond sang went to the knees like one of the bernie plays, like oh that's over. Badawe, ye, the game's finished. Absolutely. Can't even blow a whistle. It's Michael Oliver. Bell is a... he's terrible. I think they're the most, arguably the most easiest penalty. You're dangling a leg or swiping a leg, you don't win the ball. But I was more and more about better. Remember someone behind me said, or he was looking for it. Well, yeah, if you get across someone. Who are the name names? Are they famous? Josh Wanda. Josh Wanda wasn't even there. You messaged me and said, I can see Josh Wanda. It was this stunt double. I saw the cap. That's where we are now. Any baseball caps, Josh Wanda. OK, OK. Someone said I was looking for it. But if you get across, if you're a striker, you get across someone. You know that's because if he touches you. He's off. It's a foul. Did you get to watch it again on a special telly you had next year? Well, to be honest, I didn't see the first. I was eating cheese. And bread. He probably... I can imagine Ned just didn't finish the cheese board and just put it inside of his pocket. Just bit of cheese. A little cheese. Have you ever done hospitality at goodness and Dave? Cos that sounds like a Dave Vitty kind of thing to do. I have. In a working capacity. Oh, here we go. I go on. I used to sometimes do the lounges and the boxes. OK. So I would go along and I would be treated to a very, very nice meal in the 1878 Brasserie, which is perhaps where you were. Ned, I don't know. And I had a lovely meal. And I used to go there with my cousin Paul because I get an extra place. So we'd go and sit in the posh seats. And then in return, I would then go and go and have a little chat with a fellow. There was a compare guy called Pete. And we'd go round the different boxes and just have a chat for 10 minutes or so in each box before the game and then come down. So yeah, I have done on about three or four occasions in the days where Gary Wilton was... Oh, yeah, yeah. Gary used to kindly book me and put me through there. So yeah, it was a nice rare treat. Although the weird thing for me is that without sounding ungrateful, it never really properly felt like the game for me because you have your own routines. And for me, it was always about parking up at a certain time, going to the Spell-O, seeing family and friends in there or outside there as it was stood outside the Spell-O. And that was the routine. And you don't have that when you... You're stating the obvious. You don't have it. And it does. It sounds like I'm being ungrateful or ungrateful. No, no, on the slander. I'd come away from the matchday experience, even though it'd been really, really nice and luxurious, but feeling somewhat empty. Yeah. It was the day that it should have been. I agree. I've done it twice. I think the club invited me. Wow, the days have changed. The club invited me once to actually look at it and speak to a couple of people early on when I started. And I actually remember I got to meet him. It was when we were just about to sign Thunas Moray. And he was there, but we hadn't signed him and I got to go and get a picture with him. And I actually got to present the man of the match award to Tim Howard as well, who had been slagging off on Twitter during the game because he was terrible against Manchester City. But I got to present genuinely, genuinely. I got to give him the man of the match, Sophie, which was highly embarrassing. And then another time, a bookmaker invited me to go. And it was against Lester in the FA Cup. And I actually got to sit next to the guy who put the bet on for Lester, the 5,000 to one. Oh, really? Bet on? Yeah, I got to sit next to him. He was a very, very quiet. A godderson? Yeah. He was a very quiet timid man. I think he was a little bit like I shouldn't be here. Lester beat us to one in the FA Cup. I think it was the third round. Oh, yeah. We were winning one. Yeah, it was like the third round and he beat us to one. But on both occasions, very much like Dave, you feel like a fish out of water. I've never done it. You feel like you shouldn't be there because you feel like it's, even though I've got to meet some nice people and speak to nice people. Funny enough, I think that one of them I got to speak to Kenny Dagley Sr from Phoenix Knights, if anyone remembers him. Exactly. You just feel, yeah, I just feel like a fish out of water. Yeah. And just like, it's just, it doesn't feel very organic to what you're doing. You have to get dressed up and you don't really want to be dressed up. And you're dead too early as well. Yeah, yeah. You're rocking up at mid-A. I have been invited. I've just always rejected it because I've just never fancied it. Man of the people. Now on us, I've just never, it's for that reason, I go to maths with my mate and I go to maths just like, I would never, ever. I've won, I actually won, I won another one as well to be in the park into hospitality. And that's when we beat Man City and that was good. And another time, and this was the... It's been four times. No, no, that was a, I won that one. You've been in and there was another one. There was another one. And this was slightly different. But it was in the park and it's not the same. It's more like the casual and you're wearing in that category. The table for something like that. And the other one, this is the weirdest one. I won this weird competition with one of those. Everton now and again do a points thing where if you buy stuff in the shop, the points start, add on up and you never really take any notice. And I actually got to sit on the bench for a game. Oh, you made me tell him. We won three in ill against Bolton. It's from Andrew. Joe scored. Brazilian Joe. Yeah, Joe scored. But I was basically taking into a room before the game confronted by two of Everton's media men and told they were basically saying, well, yeah, one of them is. Basically said to me, we know who you are and you're not to anything that's said on the bench is not to be repeated anyway. I just basically laughed in the faces. I did, yeah. And basically, yeah, I got to sit there with and it was a very interesting experience just being right behind. I was weird like that. I was weird like with the announcers. Yeah, with the announcers. So it was a really good experience. Weird, but. That is the hardest thing when you have to try and change your behaviour, because obviously normally I'm sat around like other working class people and I felt very like. I felt like they were looking down at me. What kind of comments is that? No, like we were sat. We're like families and stuff. I'm like, I'm like, like if someone loses a ball, I'm like, oh, darn. But then second, I was like, I was like, oh, man. Yeah, that's nice. And then people were just like, looking at the families, like me and Cam's happy. Me i'n Cam's happy. Oh, darn. Yeah. I imagine going in there, you can't eff into eff like. Yeah. I was just like the first half. The people shouting, the people shouting the narrow. Not really. Not really, no. No. That's amazing. Not even going to math. You may as well stay at home. I mean, I'm even worse when I'm at home than when I'm at the maths. But. I had a shot in the first half and it looked like you pulled something. I went, oh gosh, he's pulled a muscle. But that was the second half. Oh, there you go. When he went over, he was like that. He was saying to Dice, because Dice had a gore for shooting. He was apologising to Big Show. I'm going to go, people were shooting. There you go. Make it that what you will. The Premier League, this has come out today. The Premier League have put an ad out now, having a go with the independent regulator. Oh, yeah. This is what the ad says. Make it this, make it this what you will, Dave. The Premier League is the world's most watched competition. The championship is your sixth wealthiest league. And we have the best attendant and deepest pyramid in Wales football. Yet, the UK will soon become the first major country to regulate football. We must guard against unintended consequences that would put English football success at risk. That is a Premier League ad paid ad that Dave put out. What do you make of this? Well, I have to be a little bit careful here. OK. Don't comment. I'll go to bed. I'll go to bed. I don't want to compromise you. No, no, no. I don't mind. I'm just going to be a bit careful here because of, you know, other work stuff that I do. But one could say, perhaps, or some may think, certainly wouldn't necessarily be any individual from this broadcast. No, of course. That perhaps if the Premier League had proven their own competence in their actions and their dealings in recent time that the necessity for independent regulation wouldn't be seen to be required by so many. Yeah, yeah. I would carefully say without trying to align myself to anything. But that would perhaps be. And I think in particular, a club like ours may feel that the right decisions by that governing body have not been done. Yeah. Of late. Okay. Here, Endith, my... Tremendous. I think... What do you make of? No, I think number one. I mean, this is... The Premier League is one of the biggest, if not... I know it's not the biggest, but one of the biggest that the UK has. It's probably... It's probably the number one thing the UK has at the moment. And it has to be... It has to be regulated in a way because as we've seen with other things in this country that always has to be someone in the middle to just keep an eye on things because we don't tend to get a lot right in this country. So I think the Premier League with all the money that's in it and the decisions it makes, they do go round the world. When these decisions are made, it does go round the world. It is bad for the brand and the brand is so important to the UK and the UK economy as well because of all the money it brings in. The money via sponsorships and everything. And it's... We have all the clubs in the period and there has to be an element of fairness. That has to go down the pyramid and if it's not fair at the top then what does that say about the game? So we do need it and I just find the Premier League. Premier League obviously a private company. It needs to be sorted out because as a football fan I don't believe that we are getting the best product even though they think we're getting the best product. It might look like the best product if you watch it on TV in another country and how it's the PR issues but I think going the game I don't think it's the best product and I don't think we're getting... We've got to wait until next Monday night for a game. I mean that shouldn't be on at all. We should be looking forward to a weekend game playing the game, going there. Home fans should be expecting to pay a decent price to go and watch their team rather than the extortion of prices they will have to pay for being a Chelsea fan. And all these things, the travel on a Monday night for a never-ending fan all these things need to be sorted out not on Forrest yesterday having to go to watch their club at Spaces Grant at six o'clock kickoff simply because Liverpool are playing Manchester United they're all trafford. I mean that's why isn't it? That's the reason why their game gets moved because of another game. Chelsea's the same. It needs looking at from top to bottom and the Premier League have proved that they can't do it themselves and don't want to do it themselves and they've put themselves in this situation they can cry about it all they want but they've distorted the game to the point now where it's getting to be unrecognisable. I don't think it's the best product it's sold as though they've glitched it up as the best but I mean anyone who's a good if that's the product of the Premier League they'll start to get a feel now that the other four team rather than just settle in we saw that last week of the day wanting to abolish point deduction because everyone's starting to getting a bit of trouble now so I think that's the reason the advert they're just trying to push their own agenda The shambles of the point deduction situation of late is exactly why independent regulation is required why don't you feel because the process which they went through if indeed process is the right word because they didn't feel like any kind of process to me just made no sense and was just head scratchingly baffling for everybody just kind of going where have they come up with this how have they quantified these points the time of recording today Monday the 8th of April we are waiting and expected for the points deduction at what time we don't know and how many points we don't know and perhaps by the time you're watching this we will all know but it's ludicrous and not just for us it's ludicrous for every single club who is in that situation at the bottom of the table whether it's us, Forrest, Brentford, Llew and Burnley, anybody, chef nobody actually knows where they are and you know what's mad Dave is that with this expected points deduction which evidently they're going to get evidently they're going to appeal and even if they get one point I think they're going to appeal so therefore the whole thing goes now till the end of May after the season's finished because of our appeal because of Forrest so the Premier League actually have caused huge issues for themselves this season so does that therefore mean that whoever ends up bottom three come the end of the season may not actually be the bottom three because the results of an appeal can then obviously distort the ordering of that whoever is relegated may be reinstated absolutely it does out with someone else it's just it's farcical it is absolutely farcical and you know that if you like you don't need any other reason other than that for the independent regulation I mean there are other reasons but that in itself is enough to actually warrant them requiring a babysitter totally, totally might suggest absolutely let's have a little bit of fun for six minutes with would you rather it's always interesting I'm going to go to Ned because Ned you rather have independent regulation or a kick in the bollocks yeah well there you go there you go Ned we'll come to you first because you've enlightened us with the light he's the man of the people sitting in the posheats he's a man of the people would you rather be in an elevator full of noisy high school students or an elevator full of judgemental middle aged men definitely the latter I was in it this is every day and every week and I literally went to the over 25 terrorist said can you please let me in I can't stand this club it's full of sorry what an over 25 terrorists it's like a terrorist for over 25s ago I mean I'm surprised you actually self-expansory is it like a smoking area it's just like a little small bar within a club only 25 but you went over 25 but I said to him this is full of kids and they're asking me if I do things that I don't do sorry sorry sorry what exactly like go to hospitality at football games so I said can I come in here and he says yeah go on I'll go in and there must have been like 19 year olds there and as well and literally it made me feel really really angry so I'll go with the middle aged I'm going to tell you it made you feel really angry that there was 19 year olds and over 25 and you're not over 25 but they were acting like absolute prats okay so I'm going to go with the latter I don't mind you know my mate's a middle aged anyway so okay fair enough I mean Ped can you repeat the question please what's an elevator with noisy high school students or middle aged men who are judgmental what's an elevator where are we how many floors you're stuck in there you're stuck no no kids then no the decibels of the way of the speaking and also some of the things they say you can't be there's no text to what's happening so just amongst us amongst our equals then judgmental middle aged men I'm on the terrace Dave be alright let's not elaborate Dave would you rather have to eat only broccoli for the rest of your life or forced to watch an episode of keeping up with the Kardashians every day I think I'd have to go for the Kardashians because much as I wouldn't enjoy it it would just be however long an episode of the Kardashians is let's say it's an hour a hour probably it's just an hour of my day which I just have to get through but then I would be free to eat whatever I wanted or do whatever I wanted outside of that whereas the idea of just being forced to eat broccoli was it broccoli only every day I think is a more extreme punishment I think so a piece of broccoli a piece of broccoli a day that's healthy free radicals really good for you all day free radicals when they are banned when Dave was on radio one well Dave with the new radicals Ned could be the four radicals or if there's three of them in his band the three radicals see and he could all wear broccoli tops at least you've been watching a different Kardashians episode every day if you're only sitting broccoli every day it's got to be the Kardashians you've got to turn green or something Ned would you rather be a chicken for one day or a cow for one day I was watching videos about cows last night and I'm going to go with chicken so I can process this answer you watched videos about cows last night and from that you've decided you want to be a chicken for the day what did the cow do? the more aggressive than you think cows I watched a video of a mother cow trying to kill a calf was this on bovine tv? no it was on animalhub.com oh right did you go on to animalhub.com thinking something else would be on there oh you never follow and I was like why the cows did you go down a cow black hole yeah I was like why the cows killed the cows I was trying to go to sleep and I was really tired because I was watching videos about cows I haven't watched many videos about chickens I also on this loophole find out how this slaughter of pigs and stuff hang on just pause for a sec do you mean down this rabbit hole rather than on this loophole animalhub maybe you should watch like a chicken video and see why they crossed the road if I'm just for chicken for a day I could probably just to find out for yourself it's like a chicken one isn't it fair enough I wasn't expecting that we'd get full internet history from you when I asked you the question it's a clear history moment isn't it I go cow they're just big aren't they and you don't have to kill a calf for the day that might have just been up to mum what if someone tries to kill you well then I'm big aren't I well really if a farmer comes along you are in trouble I am well yeah but you're in trouble if you're a chicken no I'm going to cow go ahead Dave what would you go for I think my gut reaction would be a cow as well because I just think it would be an easier way to spend one day because you are big you don't really have any natural predators do you for the most part humans you guys just want people to come over but I think it would be an easier but then again the flip side of that is that if you were in a free range chicken friendly environment and you were just spending a day chicken around looking around a sort of field and laying eggs that also I think it's to do with the environment I think it's to do with if you were a chicken but you might be in one of those horrible battery chicken farm things chicken farm things it would be horrible with that in mind cow final answer but if you were a cow would you want to be milked I think that's the big one you might not be it's not really elaborated that question you might not be a cow on a field I've just asked you a simple question you might be a fried chicken I think the bigger question is would you want to be milked I think that's the other thing that's interesting here is the fact that as for you know male the speech cheese none of us have any realistic knowledge of what it's like to be milked so I would I would like to be milked I'm going to say it then you've had the full cow experience anything with nipples can be milked there you go imagine if he's like holding a wean for the ages and someone just comes over and goes like that and you go ohhh I don't think that's slightly different we doesn't come out to others I think you might need to start watching more cow videos you do go back on to the cow videos and see where the wee comes out of that chicken thing has just let me don't put that into a search engine not any of our search engines for God's sake it doesn't matter just the chicken thing just made me I watched the first episode of The Gentleman last night oh yeah have you watched The Gentleman yet Dave no but funny you should say that because I had a conversation with my sister and brother-in-law last night about The Gentleman and my brother-in-law was telling me that I need to watch it and I haven't yet done it so it has been recently recommended to me yours is a secondary recommendation that presses go on there you go a double recommendation it's the fella scouting it really because it was the wee scouting can I ask Peter Savanovich whoever's Billy Dixon or Tommy Dixon I don't know I thought it was Peter Savanovich is the main character in it American or English have you not watched it the film is brilliant the film is the main character is English I think the film is fantastic don't get me wrong it was really good the first episode was really good and secondly Dave have you watched Kin no I haven't Dave is brilliant on the eye play I've again heard good things about it and I haven't I've lost my way very much in terms of watching stuff I went through a real phase of watching everything everything that came out and I was right on it I've lost my way a little bit in terms of being up to date with stuff so I need to make it concerted after spending more time sat on my sofa well yeah not all the time but Kin is excellent honestly it's really good on the eye play were you going to say something yeah I was just going to say it's funny when you watch programmes I tell you to watch things all the time and it just goes it doesn't I'm not feeling it three episodes in but I've gone through three episodes of it what else have you seen I've closed that you tell me to watch I've got Shogun on my list I just haven't done a list and I was all over that thingy one on Disney till you said it was too long if you're saying it's too long then I'm going to be bored with it let's finish on another stupid one and we'll go with Ned first would you rather have nobody here or no head here no body here easily I already shaved most of it off okay I think I'd go with the no body did you just say you should know that why should we know that we've been naked together not naked but when we go swimming I shaved all the answers let's clear the flag on for the purpose of this podcast and me me I've definitely never been and definitely never been fully accomplishment as naked with you so clarify your comment we've been in really really really short swimming shorts together so you know that I've only got leg here I shaved my armpits because I like the feeling good this might come as a massive surprise to you but when we've been in a pool or gone in a sauna or a steam room I ain't really looking at you mate I'm just in there doing me stuff but fair enough thank you hang on hang on hang on just sawn o ring and steaming I have a question we've worked together for a while now the four of us in various different guises I can honestly say you know head and I have never been swimming together but Dave you've never been in a position where we could be swimming together because when you are in our vicinity you don't tell us and you duck off with your showbiz mate I've never been swimming with you two either though that's the worry thing we were in a hope that you didn't come swimming because we had a swimming steam sauna so that's on you, not on twice it happened in our lives twice it happened in our lives I was getting the impression that this was perhaps a weekly thing very much very much not not a weekly head and I went to Zumba on a Tuesday night yeah think of that right but then do the opposite of that that's very much what it is it's not even a yearly thing it's happened twice in about a three year period it sounds like you go to a gentlemen's club once no it's just a bloody I'm saying that's not a Ned do we go to Ned for any clarification on anything it's just the way she says it though you go to a club once a week a gentlemen's club and you have a sauna together someone comes in and waxes the pair of yous as well there's an over 25s terrorist there's people who are who are under 25 you're asking Ned to do things that he's not comfortable with like being milked Ned and yeah exactly Ned and Cameron in Minnesota in a hotel room that's a different story is this like the fishing trip in Governor Stacey's? replace a wine with cam and then put Ned with brin Ned will openly say he woke up totally enough to leave Bologho it's changed again anyway final question to finish because Ned is getting him on cam in all sorts of trouble would you rather be born without knees or without elbows that's a tough one you've either always got to be straight arm or straight leg I'm gonna go for no elbows no elbows still run round he's running like that yeah always but then you're not then I'd be running like that but the scousers can't think about this how would you eat though if you can't build you that you'd need someone to feed you wouldn't you I'd learn to eat with me toes that feels like a lot of way that's alright you can't eat can you without a bent elbow you can't now you can't Dave because how could you get it I'm going legs I'm going legs you look silly running but walking you just look like you've maybe I don't know I think you're right out of the two joints to be fused I think you'd go for knees because I think that the inability to eat or feed yourself would be more of a disability and a hindrance to the leg thing me and Dave are on knees pets going without elbows knees all day I like a finger tie all the time okay so we've gone a 3-1 a 3-1 knee fair play that's a good place to leave it there's no need to carry on Dave we will see you next week we'll know where we are then points and all of that all of that stuff as well but have a great one mate take it easy thank you very much and we'll see you soon listen everyone listening thank you very much for listening watching hit the like button subscribe give it a 5 star 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