 It's time for the Lawn Jean Chronoscope, a television journal of the important issues of the hour brought to you every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, a presentation of the Lawn Jean Wittner Watch Company, maker of Lawn Jean, the world's most honored watch, and Wittner, distinguished companion to the world-honored Lawn Jean. Good evening. This is Frank Knight. May I introduce our co-editors for this edition of the Lawn Jean Chronoscope? Larry LeServe from the CBS News staff and John B. Oakes from the editorial board of the New York Times. Our distinguished guest for this evening is the Honorable Edmund Mischle, member of the French Senate and former Minister of War. The agreements to rearm an independent West Germany will have far-reaching significance. There can be no doubt of that, but these agreements have yet to be ratified and that involves the people of France and Germany as well as the governments. So we'd like to ask our guest tonight, who has been a member of the French resistance until he spent two years in Dachau as a result. How he feels personally about the re-arming of Germany? Well, I think it's the most important event by far, since the end of the war. And the most encouraging, too. Excuse me if I don't speak very good English. Well, Senator Mischle, nevertheless you are not worried about a renewal of German aggression against France? No. Because I believe in the world of Chancellor Adonore. Chancellor Adonore is not a Bismarck or a Hitler. And I think his word is important, and his important, too, is the control of our American and British friends in that settlement. But what about the possibility of taking you into a war to unite Germany, to unite the Eastern province? Well, I really think their settlement avoids this danger. That's what I think. And I think Americans are there with us, you know. As part of NATO? Yes. That's why I think it's a good thing. Well, Senator Mischle, do you feel any bitterness after all you were in Dachau concentration camp for two years? Do you feel any personal bitterness towards the Germans? Well, I think we have to, this is the past, you know. There is a new danger, a new danger of totalitarianism, of tyranny. And we must settle by the old animosity between our two countries. I really think that in France the majority of people is for reconciliation with Germany. Well, now, will the SAR settlement be a means of reconciliation, or does it... Certainly, SAR settlement is, yes, it's a very good thing in that way because it ends a position between our two countries. Do you think permanently it's settled? Yes, I think so. What is the significance of that settlement of the Tsarland? Well, it's the first stone building in Europa, the first step in the way of Europa. A building, a European unity? Europa? Yes, Europa, yes. That's why it's important. Who do you think came out better in that arrangement, Senator, between France and Germany on the SAR? Did the French get practically everything they wanted? Well, the French get something, but Germany too get something. Possibility of a change with France, possibility of investment of doing many important things with us in Africa, for instance, you know? That's why I think this agreement is a very good thing as well as for France as well as for Germany. Now, the Germans have no colonies whatsoever in Africa, but do you think they will now work with the French in North Africa and West Africa? I think colonies are not their real name, they're their real word now, you know? We don't speak of colonies, we speak of Union français, it's not the same thing, you know? And we think, really, we think, really, that with Germany it's possible to do very great things in Africa. So you don't fear that in Africa there may be a development similar to that in the Far East, in Indochina? I know, it's the same question, you know? There's a very, very great difference between Indochina, near China, and Africa and North Africa, you know? I was thinking of the nationalist movements in Morocco and Tunisia. Well, it's the same thing at all. Senator Michelet, do you think that the French assembly will ratify these agreements on Germany? I think it, and I hope it too. I will vote for him and my friend's goal is too. Well, now the opposition party to Premier Mendez-France is the Catholic party. Now will they go along on this agreement? No, they are not Catholic parties in France. They are Catholics in every party. I am a Roman Catholic. There are many Catholics with the Gaulist and Gaulist will vote for Mendez-France. They are with him, you know, in this important question. But some of the elements of the German government, some of the opposition to Adnau are grumbling about the agreement on the Tsar. Do you think that Germany will go along? But Adnau is strong in Germany. He has a great position. And I think after his true war in America, he is quite able to obtain what he wants from his parliament. Do you feel that Mendez-France has the general support of the French people and what he's been doing? Yes. Behind him, he has the youth. He is the most popular man in France since he generated the Gaul. It's a fact. And it's important. Is that based on the Far Eastern settlement? It was for the Far Eastern settlement and for the new style, you say, still. What about his internal policy? Could you tell us something about that? I think he is a social man, you know. He knows what he wants about this social part of his work. And when he wants something, he gets it, you worry. Our Secretary of State, John Foster Jullis, has said that there is no tension now between Germany and France. Is that true in your estimation? That's really true, yes. How do you account for that? Well, you know, we are tired of making war between us, Germany and France. That's a fact, you know. Last war, both of us gained and lost it, you know, not at the same time. So, you know, we see the war, a civil war in Europe, you see. That's what we think. All wars would be civil wars in Europe now, because the world is gotten smaller? I think so. Well, you feel that the French people will welcome Germany in NATO, then. Yes, I think so. They will welcome Germany and a German army. Yes, I think so, and I hope so, too. What safeguards are there, Senator Michelet, against a renewal of German aggression? Well, say, God, it's the control of American army and American control. And the British entrance? The British entrance, too. Yes. Well, then, Senator Michelet, could I ask you this, do you think that these agreements on re-arming of Germany mean an end to the Cold War? I mean, in Western Europe, an end of the Cold War. And it could be the beginning of the end of the Cold War, yes, I think. Well, then you believe that there is such a thing as coexistence, Senator Michelet? It's a serious matter, you know, coexistence. In the United States, our duty is to try to avoid war, you know, to be ready for it, but to prepare peace. So I think it's coexistence, you know. It's an important question. Well, Miss, Senator Michelet, what does this settlement with Germany mean to France in particular? Why will this do France good? In what? The settlement with Germany. It's good for France because I told you it's the end of the position between our two countries, you know. And it permits France to exchange credits with Germany, you know. That's why it's a good thing. Do you think it... I think it's only at the beginning of Europe. Do you think it would tend to lessen the strength of the Communist Party inside France, Senator? I think so, and I hope so, too. What is this is Premier Mendes France doing about the Communists inside of France? Well, the best thing he has to do is to develop a social program, you know. Is that actually progressing now? Has there been time? The next term of his program, yes. That's why we help it. We help him. What is he doing about trying to curb the growth of communism in France now? The best thing he has to do is, as I told you, to develop social laws, you know. To obtain more wages for workers. Our workers are not so well paid as your workers, you know. That's why in Europe I will put up some more communists than you are. Senator Michel, when you say that the settlement of the Tsar means the possibility of Europa, a grand concept, do you see a similar settlement spreading around Europe? Yes, I think so. It's possible, I think. I told you on a very thing, it's the beginning. It's the beginning of Europa, or the best way. You feel better than EDC? Certainly. EDC was not serious. For my mind. Serious with us? Thank you very much, Senator Michelet. 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