 Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa and our second conversation would be about the state of the nation We're talking about Nigeria now We're talking we're so going to be looking at the issue of kidnapping the issue of kidnapping Terrorists activities in the northern part of Nigeria I pop in the southeastern part of Nigeria and the issue of governance in the federal capital territory And we do have a guest and with us was going to be joining us via zoom Mista Daily, it's good to have you join us this morning. Mr. Daily All right, so let's start off with generally How would you describe, you know, the state of the nation looking at the fact that when the president? Gotting to power president Mohammed the Buhari in 2015. He had promised Niger that, you know Security would be a thing of the past and here we are. What's he talking about the issue of kidnapping? Banditry amongst others, you know in different parts of the country Campaign promises made by general Buhari leading to the 2015 elections the first was the promise of security and He leveraged a lot on his experience as a general The second of course was a much touted anti-corruption but which has to be Devolved into a fast But when you ask the question about security, let's Understand something the primary Duty of the state is the protection of the life and properties of the citizens But that is the beginning of the Nigerian conundrum The primary duty of the Nigerian state Appears to be the security of the state the preservation of the state the discounted the discountment of the rights of those whom it calls citizens and The abandonment to every element that might prey on them Nigeria today Security-wise is worse than where it was in 2015 In 2015 insecurity in Nigeria at least as it related to insurgency or terrorism Was largely confined to the north east today The north west including the president's home state Is a place where people don't sleep with both eyes shut anymore So today in the north west in the north east in the north central You have terrorism that is blightly referred to as banditry Vandalism They are even businessmen sometime The only thing they have not been designated in most cases is exactly what they are terrorists Now only general worry knows why these people are not terrorists But the likes of Sunday go Namdikano Yelay show or a terrorist These are the questions we need to ask ourselves when we begin to talk about Insecurity is a function of what the state considers important the amount of policemen that were at Lucky Toe gates Just on the anniversary of the first The first anniversary of the enslave thing they would have been sufficient to perhaps police the Trail line, but the rail line was not as important as ensuring that people do not for Speak as citizens. So is a function of what the Nigerian state considers Terrorism what it considers important and what it is counting on so Where the Nigerian state believes terrorists are it is dealing with their reason there That's why you have 34,000 policemen deployed to an umbrella for an election But you don't have 34,000 policemen Deployed around Kaduna to provide security even though people are being killed and kidnapped daily So is a function of natural and priority is not a function of it's not about manpower I think he was a common dollar woman when he was picking on our eyes. He made it abundantly clear It's a function of what the state considers important to it at any point in time The Nigerian state is more focused on silencing the poises of those who demand citizenship It is not interested in chasing after oh They are not there is their bandits of under street. They can be vandals and but they are anything So it's a function of the priority of general Those who we believe to be theorists even goes as fast Ten years to kidnap them to colonize this trial One is vintage around in Benin. So he's a function of the priorities of the president and it's not just the president There's the House of Assembly There's a sentence. They are governors We have people all over Nigeria men who believe themselves to be men and women of good conscience Why are they talking why is he left to those who are considered the lunatic fringe to point out the obvious insanity of labeling Pro democracy pro the lady comes accept determination agitators. This is a constitutional rights I have every right if I believe Nigeria is not working for me to say so and advocate for my own Enclave However, I care to define it as long as I am speaking so within the boundaries of civility But when you criminalize dissent, but you turn a blind eye To criminality, this is what you get. So it's not just about the north It's the entire length and breadth of Nigeria that you have and it's not Look if we must tell ourselves the truth The problem we have today is essentially a national problem Found on a lack of justice take away all the things that legitimizes iPops troubles And you diffuse the situation, but there has been no interest shown None whatsoever In finding any reconciliation even if they have pushing people to extremes Almost as if people have been asked to go to war Go forbid that we find ourselves in that kind of situation, but the reality is yes, my forbid We're already in one not east not west not central south south In a German state pays rent to take oil in the south south Southwest if they are not I can go to a bad on Feeling comfortable. I have to go out to worry about being kidnapped on the road For what and yet there is a there is a government in the most basic of the duties of a state The Nigerian state has failed and if we are written precedents in terms of security In my lifetime Nigeria has never had is this bad never I drove my youth I would drive Legos about the expressway and I'm not professional in car for heaven's sake. He used to tell tell us He has books and points where I described riding all the way to Kaduna in the middle of the night We're driving into the north we can't even live that life again. My children can't have that I used to tell my kids I used to drive on Legos about the expressway one hour from end to end My children can't have that Look all right so far to me Okay, just just before I let you you know come through Should the president be responsible for you know security across the 36 states of the Federation including the FCT Let's be clear about something. We like too much to ourselves in Nigeria The fraudulent constitution called degree 24 Places every security apparatus under the control of whoever the current occupants of that Rock I have no apologies for saying that They go in there. Everybody appears to lose their brains. He is the sole person responsible It is only in Nigeria that you can actually give You can give reality to that American maxim the box stops on this desk The box stops on general worries desk is the sole person who can command the army can command Is the only person is the commander in chief It is only in Nigeria that that vile statement finds full expression If these Gerontoklack does not get up to tell them to do this they won't do it However much a state commissioner of police might have been rendered complicit by participation in the local crunch The reality is that at the end of the day The ultimate decision as to deployment and operation comes directly from the presidency We can blame these governors and yes, they deserve to be blamed because many of them are in hurt and corrupt But the reality is that the powers of deployment either for truth Or anything related to the armed forces and the police is directly At the desk of general value whoever occupies that office at any point in time. No, we are not a federation This question it said even it exposes the lies Of the federal vote we call federalism in Nigeria. Please let me ask you In what other federal entity in the world Do you find states in capital of running their own police force? Where else? And the only place it is permitted in Nigeria permitted under the reign of impunity and in those states busy And nothing lost that are Patently treasonous and then you are raising these bad forces to be breaking their bottle And you're happy to share the proceeds of vat from the same beer Come on. So at the end of the day, this is not a federation Let's forget all that lie about truth. Well, if it is right, why if it is the truth? Why are you qualifying it with truth through federalism? There is no federalism in Nigeria We have a unitary command system And I'm borrowing the word unitary advice certainly because what we have We insult the british who typifies Unitary because in in unitary britain we have devolution of powers to all the regions the long term metropolitan police Is distinct From those who are in greater Manchester each person takes the operational command from the local authorities But look at us in Nigeria So we'll look and not call the most who unless is the unless is something that is between them He can't he doesn't have such powers So when we call it federalism, he's not a federation. This is one of the stupid. We built so everything on lies Please Mr. Farah to me I'm worried Lou is responsible for the security of Nigeria. He is the commander in chief. Oh chief Oh, um, Dilip Farah to me. I I'm sure there's you know, a lot of people who may not necessarily agree with you There we've seen a lot of statements uh from line Mohammed from uh, Femi addition and and the likes who say that There's a lot of gains that you know, we we that are on record with the current administration And if done well, um, you know, they might even go as well as saying that Nigerians might be begging For a man like Buhari president like president Buhari, you know come 2023 Um, but I I want you to you know, talk about you know, go moving forward You know early ended in the on program this morning. I was you know asking about what we really have achieved in the last six years Um, but what what must we do as a nation if we need to move forward elections are coming in 2023 It's scary for a couple of people See One of the first things we need to do If we must move forward We must first of all stop accepting the lies That lie Mohammed tells us It is critical that we switched on our brains Interrogate The facts Is pocket book economy UN salaries as well Or UN income in one form or the other You cannot say your economy is better today Than it was six years ago I'm not suggesting that It would have been el dorado if it had been a continuation of the reign of the pdp They were as inept and as incompetent as the current lot and if you really think about it They won and the same is the same people and pdp seven years ago that are largely in the apc today But the reality on the ground Is that it would appear as if in the last six years Somebody has been on a deliberate mission to destroy Nigeria Is economic based has been violently attacked We have um Assured the destruction of local manufacturing by the kind of policies the government has taken on The duplicity of the government in the areas of policy management and execution As assured that Everybody sees these policies that are disadvantageous to them as just another attempt as erecting tool gates for some People to benefit so it's been about the administration of the impunity But there is a lot that we have gained in the last six years of General Bwari a lot of people might not agree with this, but I would say I would say to you That every illusion that anyone might have ever had about Nigeria About the democracy we practice About the laws of citizenship Anyone who might have had doubts by now those doubts should have been adequately evaporated by the prisonness Of the Bwari administration So we've gained that But you so far as it relates to any other games regardless of what line one made my line one made my have to say or Fermi addition or Those ones to say anything they are told to say they have ventriloquist dolls I'm not because not me abusing anyone. All you have to do is look around you Any sane person looking around Nigeria will know that neither Mr. Lime Muhammad No, Mr. Fermi addition Assisted on their faculties because they are far removed from the realities You look all over Nigeria and you have problems everywhere. We're talking 2023 elections We are deploying 34,000 policemen To an amra state for the elections By official figures Nigerian police is roughly a little over 300,000 But when you speak to people in the security forces those figures are actually closer to less than 200,000 It's just about inflation of numbers and then people who are posted to go and start in somebody's Somebody's gatehouse account, but when you really look at operational forces, that's the biometer So you are having a lecture in an ambra state. Let me even accept the upper level of your figures Let's say 350,000 policemen. You've deployed 34,000 to an ambra for the election In 2023, it means that you have only sufficient numbers for 10 states Are we going to have staggered? Are we going to be? Oh, we will import Policemen from China There can't be elections in this situation. We should be talking about Fundamental structuring of Nigeria Not elections. We can't have elections there and I'll say for a fact. I don't believe that even general He's honestly planning for any election. There is nothing to suggest that People can fool themselves all day. All you need to do is look Open your eyes look around you if they're deploying 34,000 policemen To an ambra How many are they going to have to deploy to you? To Kaduna to Katzina to Zantara To Sokoto where people are now being killed in their Sunday markets Sokoto Please we are not prepared for any elections and I seriously doubt that even general kawari or the people around him can genuinely Claim to be preparing for an election. They are not they are not they are preparing for something different. What that is Time-review, but they are definitely not preparing for any action. Okay, but let's You know stay with an ambra nam for a bit and talk about the proposed election on the 6th of november We also know that ipop has also proposed a sit-at-home order from the 5th Through the 10th of november now looking at antecedent. You see that there's been some level of compliance And you want to juxtapose that with You know this order that has been put out. What should we expect? in an ambra Well, I believe it was general Philippe Peffion When he was delivering the instrument of surrender to a balsonger He said to him I might not be quoting him correctly, but I'll let me just paraphrase He says treat these people well Or their children with bare hands against you He was referring to the tun dibu as these people and he was referring of course to the nigerian states As the you that they will bear hands against as the children The problem with nigeria is that it is built on injustice and it is reflexively unjust And when it is confronted with his ugly nice instead of embracing the truth and seeking to find reconciliation It constantly seeks to kill the truth even more now I pop does not exist in a vacuum It is validated By the several layers of injustice that have been perpetrated against generations of undead What you are seeing today I am not a man who agrees with violence in any form Not that the nigerian state would allow you anything peaceful anyway It is a test of vipops Legitimacy And it is already obvious That the federal government lacks legitimacy if you need to send 34 000 policemen To enforce a vote Well, he should so he's a he's a referendum on nigeria He has been asking for a referendum for a season You and I already know The art and mind of indigo Is ipop It might not like or endorse ipops Methodologies and I don't I deprecate the methodologies But I have participated in sitar tomes during the june 12 struggle I endorse sitar tomes As a methodology of struggle because it's not about violence So if a group has said We're calling for a sitar tomb To show That we don't want this process to continue in the absence of the resolution of aggressions I have nothing to say against how a man elects To protest the injustice he suffers The only thing you might hear me condemn is violence But in this case All they've asked is for people to sit at tomes those who believe Otherwise should also go ahead And mobilize their people to come out and vote because i'm sure that indigo has many policies It cannot be that everybody agrees With ipop so those who don't agree with ipop like them also go ahead And mobilize the people It was Indigo is one of the best organized Society in Nigeria. They have all sort of unions town unions trade unions market unions They mobilize themselves Much more effectively than other ethnic nationalities here. So if we Have contrary opinions to what ipob has come back. I'm sure those will be expressed as well It is the duty of the state if it hasn't failed to provide security And if it has said that the four thousand men to learn to an umbrella I'm sure they cannot now claim that that is why people do not vote So it's a function of whether ipop is effective or ineffective Delivered to me I genuinely wish that we had more time to hear you speak and to you know get your views on these issues But we have to wrap up here But thank you very much for being a part of our monday morning and looking forward to speaking with you again Thank you And of course, uh, this is where we'll be saying goodbye this monday morning If you missed out on any of these remember where to catch up That's simply a plus tv africa on facebook instagram same with our youtube channel and also plus tv africa lifestyle I am osao ghi og monga and i am mesi boku to have a great day