 expressed in this program are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views or positions of the Sheboyin County Chamber of Commerce. Every year we reach out as the Chamber and as the governmental affairs committee to try to get our various representatives and legislators to come in and share what's going on and what they're working on and to let us know as chamber members what is happening in government and so we're very happy that today Senator Ron Johnson has agreed to come in and speak with us. If by the way you know any other legislative officials who would like to come in and speak to us we welcome them as well. Senator Ron Johnson was elected to the US Senate in 2010. He is chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland and governmental affairs and is also a member of the committees on budget commerce and foreign relations where he is chairman of its European subcommittee. He resides in Oshkosh Wisconsin with his wife Jane and three children and four grandchildren. The general idea is I'm going to welcome him up and he's going to share what he is doing and talk to us especially hopefully about things that impact us as local business people and then we'll have some questions to ask afterwards and if there's time open up the floor for questions from all of you here today. So with all that said thank you so much for coming I'd like to welcome Senator Johnson. Well thank you Josh, Deidre, you know thank all of you for coming give me this opportunity to speak with you but also let me just thank you for being a member of the chamber. I was a member of Oshkosh Chamber of Commerce just like Alexis de Tocqueville in the mid 1800s noticed that really what one of the things that really made America unique was our civic institutions and I think that continues to this day and chambers are just a great example of that. Business people, members of the community coming together and working together for the figure out how to better their community so again I appreciate your involvement there. I should warn you right up front I'm not necessarily the most uplifting character I just have this you know imperative just people tell people the truth, lay out what the reality situation is and right now the reality of what's happening on a national level is really not all that all that good. I mean I think you start with just the vast political divide in this nation. Now I was actually heartened in January I was there at the President Biden's inauguration and so much of his speech was talking about his goal of unifying and healing this nation which I think is a very worthy goal you know unfortunately he's not doing that. I told the Republican Party of Wisconsin convention in May that as long as he's not doing it why don't we adopt that as our mission statement and you know the way you do that by the way is stop exploiting divisions and start focusing on areas of agreement. You know you're all business people I've said you know it's my business person's mindset the only way you succeed in business is focusing on areas of agreement right I mean you don't go to customer and start arguing right away you know you focus on the fact well I've got a product I want to sell you you want to buy it okay so we agree on that now now we'll start arguing over the price right so again it's just that mentality you know quite honestly as chairman Homeland Security allowed me to pass more than 130 pieces of legislation dealing with Homeland Security because we all agreed on it so from my standpoint that the primary area of agreement of just virtually every American is our overall goal which is a safe and prosperous and secure America and Wisconsin and Sheboygan right I mean isn't that what we all want don't we want all of our kids to grow up in safety hopefully be taught what a great country this is so that they can utilize the tools to become productive citizens I was just at Winnebago Lutheran High School great kids great questions you know active minds we need to make sure that they understand all the opportunities they have for them we need to make sure that they understand what a great country this is I think one of the most depressing things I've seen recently there's a there was a poll a couple months ago it's probably three in midtime rolls but it was nationwide poll based class you know how much do you love this country full spectrum you know a lot a little bit not at all the good news is no matter how they slice and dice the polls they do the cross tabs they call them every group every group except for one had at least a majority of the people say they loved America in some way shape or form you know what the one group was young people now I find that depressing but but I also find it pretty outrageous because I know those young people weren't born into this land of plenty into this level of affluence with a bias against this this country that that lack of love for this country that was indoctrinated into them that's something we have to end because I don't care where you look around this country I mean this world you know if you want to go to the really miserable spots the refugee camps in Syria what's happening in Venezuela the island prison of Cuba I mean throughout the world there is misery there is there is tyranny there's death there destruction but here in America this is the land of unlimited opportunity that this is the land of plenty you know our generations have realized level of affluence is just unheard of in human history how can our young people not appreciate that now how wrong is that so what we ought to be teaching our young people is is a reverence for the genius of our fine fathers in crafting those those marvelous documents that in one the Declaration of Independence has what I've always said is the the greatest mission statement written for self-governance in the history of mankind we hold these truths to be self-evident I just love that as you're so obvious that all men and women are created equal they're doubted by their creator with certain unable rights life liberty the pursuit of happiness it's it's that vision statement that recognizes our rights are granted to us by our creator not not given to us by government grudgingly no these are our rights and then that government that was formed from that vision statement it was supposed to be limited government a government designed to primarily protect our freedom not not solve all our problems as you're noticing the government's very incapable of solving problems greatest spending money it doesn't have mortgaging our children's future but not real good at problem-solving but it should primarily be here to protect us national security border security protect our individual living freedom so that we can take advantage of that liberty and freedom combined with this free market system which by the way that that the description of a free market system and how beautifully it works on its own the billions of individual consumer decisions that was described also in 1776 and Adam Smith's wealth of nations I never realized that so I started talking about these things so in 1776 you have the wealth of nations describing a free market system in same time you got the Declaration of Independence laying out that vision statement so it's that freedom that Americans use to dream and aspire and build and create this marvel we call America don't we all appreciate that don't we all recognize how unbelievably lucky we are not a perfect nation but a nation that does strive to form a more perfect union I mean we really do try and do that now we take some pretty odd terms and your odd turns and you know from political standpoint you know how do how do we achieve that goal of safety security prosperity I mean people have all kinds of ideas from some some I would consider quite wacky some that are being posed on us today but if we pull back and if we concentrate on that shared purpose recognize the goodness of this nation emphasize that don't don't emphasize the bad fix the bad and the power positive thinking emphasize the good we certainly have a whole lot better chance of achieving that goal of safety security and greater prosperity so anyway that's kind of my viewpoint and things I'm happy to answer any questions people have on specific issues always takes that first brave person I don't bite are you gonna be asking questions well thank you again for being here and we have a couple of questions that people asked sent in ahead of time and so I'd like to share those with you the first question we got was it's no secret the lack of workforce is putting a significant strain on employers and here in Sheboyin County pre-pandemic we had more than 3,500 jobs available post-pandemic we are sitting on the places of approximately 3,500 jobs still needed and only about 518 people filing unemployment in Sheboyin County so we have a lot more people that are needed than are looking for work right now with that background what are you doing or hoping to do to remove barriers and create a realistic path to immigration for people who are willing and able to work in our community well before I answer that question I do want to thank the folks here in Sheboyin that worked with Pastor Jerome Smith and the Joseph project I mean this is really it was the Sheboyin area economic development corporation whatever you call your I mean it's something like that right but that you know we knew had 3,500 job openings and yet you had all this high levels of unemployment in Milwaukee and I kept talking about how do you make that connection and it really was you know Sheboyin connecting with Pastor Jerome Smith and getting those job opportunities you know we make provide transportation up here after people go through just a four-day course it's four-day courses three days three hours a day where the Joseph project participants we just instill the the necessity of the commitment to succeed as well as an attitude providing job interviews then they get jobs that transforms their lives and that all started here in Sheboyin what is such a tragedy about what President Biden did in his first to second day at office where he just ripped up dismantled all the successful policies of the Trump administration regarding securing our border has really put us a long ways back in terms of solving the immigration issue you will not be able to solve the DACA issue you won't be able to establish a functioning legal immigration system which I'm all for just check out my op-ed that ran in the Wall Street Journal I think on Monday or Tuesday this week where I'm talking about this is probably in an environment of state flation which is what we're in right now you know as bad as inflation is I'm more concerned about the long-term lack of a labor force to provide the economic growth we need a big component of that solution is a legal immigration system but an illegal immigration system you know people exploiting our laws living in the shadows a depressing American wages is the wrong way to go and it's out of control right now so again what's such a tragedy is we were so close because they remain in Mexico policy because of agreements President Trump and negotiate with Mexico and Central America we pretty well stopped the flow of unaccompanied children exploiting our laws family units exploiting our asylum laws and we're in the process of building a fence which works but all that all those policies were dismantled they stopped building the fence and now we had a record number of people encountering border patrol last year it's averaging over 6500 people per day being encountered and that doesn't count the known and unknown gotaways as well so my guess is we're probably up to about 1.2 million people about half of them being dispersed by agencies about half known and unknown gotaways and just to give you a sense of that only nine states have populations less than 1.2 million people so again until we get that back under control we're not going to be able to solve the dock issue we're not going to be able to stand up a functioning legal immigration system which by the way I was working very closely with the Trump administration on their idea was going to shrink we got like a hundred different visas it's going to collapse that down to about six and then have a merit type of system with again you could also bring in limited family members so I think it was very open from that standpoint but really tied to our economy and that's what we need to do so I recognize the problem it's working with the Trump administration I think if he would have been reelected we'd probably be working on that legislation right now as opposed to having turned back the clock in terms of how long again it's going to be difficult to put this genie back in the bottle and get us to that point where we have secured borders so that we can actually pass the laws to fix it because if we don't secure the board first all we do is all the other problems just create greater incentives for more people coming to this country illegally and when you take a look at the depredations the human trafficking the sex trafficking you don't want illegal immigration you want it a legal system that's helpful to America illegal immigration hurts us okay I see a question here absolutely I think everyone in this room recognizes we want legal immigration we don't want all the negative things you just mentioned but what is the plan to increase our workforce there are employers here that can't grow and develop and can't meet the needs of our customer base whether it's a hospitality business or a manufacturing business and I think we're looking for some solid answers okay the solid answers is stop paying people not to work well again you so you'll have to increase birth rates I guess and in Sheboygan or do something to track more people I'm again I can't specifically talk to your your specific numbers here in Sheboygan but you know through the state and that nationally in order to grow the labor force I mean one of the components birth rates immigration those pretty much the two things we have going for us and you can't force people to have more kids so that's why you need a legal immigration system but in the meantime there was an article written by Nicholas Everstat demographer works for American Enterprise Institute not a real good title our miserable 21st century but in that he documented that about 20% of working age males are permanently out of the workforce you know why because we make it we make it possible for them to be out of the workforce you know and there's a host of things I mean I don't want to pick each individual one but there are so many different entitlement programs that pay people not to work one of them was Medicaid expansion which allowed you know gave access to some of these working age men to access to opioids for free or for three bucks and they just sell them on the open market I did an investigatory investigation to that publisher report I got vilified in the press for speaking the truth I mean we literally are incentivizing people not to work then we give them access to opioids that they use some of my spoils but then they sell others for thousands of dollars to supplant their income there's just you know one of those nasty realities of how the federal government exacerbates problems instead of solving them so when you've got 20% of the working age male workforce permanently out of the workforce how do you get them back what quit making it possible for them to not work again that's there again there are many components to that but that's certainly one of them another thing that is going to be crushing to our economies is the vaccine mandates that is going to be so destructive so disruptive to our economy and yet the Biden administration they are just plowing forward with it but again I'm happy to talk about COVID vaccines all that kind of stuff but let's just focus on mandates right now they are pointless I don't care where you stand in terms of vaccines or their effectiveness or I just held an event on the vaccine mandates and the vaccine injuries which are real and one of the participants one of the experts had a two box decision tree the top box said are the COVID-19 vaccines effective then the yes line came down to the second decision box and said well if they're effective then the vaccine mandates are pointless right because if the vaccines are that effective if you get a vaccine what do you care whether somebody else gets or not I mean it should be a personal choice no we should be pressured coerced or fear reprisal for not refusing any medical treatment including COVID vaccine I mean I believe in freedom but then if you follow the no line down you know the vaccines are not effective it goes right to the same box the vaccines are pointless and unfortunately we're on the no line right now because the vaccines are not as effective or as safe as we all hoped and prayed they would be we now know the science tells us even if you're fully vaccinated you can get serious ill you can die you can get infected you can transmit so what is the point of the mandates why why are we why are we inflicting this wound on us on our it makes no sense so right now I'm hoping and praying that Rick Esenbergs and the other state attorney generals their lawsuits in joining this will be will be successful particularly in health care I just got a I just got a letter from a nurse 35 years of experience she quit we just lost 35 years of experience in health care and that's going to happen across the board because these heroes of the of COVID the nurses doctors actually had the courage and compassion to treat COVID patients many of them got infected with COVID some tragically died most survived they have natural immunity they can read the science they realize national immunity is probably better longer lasting than the vaccinations which as we're watching the vaccine affecting this way they're now seeing and treating vaccine injured individuals as well they are not going to get vaccinated they will either be terminated or they'll resign like this nurse did and we will lose decades of experience just talk to a nurse who worked in the hospital they don't have any permanent nursing staff anymore it's all traveling nurses they're all getting texting quit your job you can make two three four times what you're making now as a traveling nurse again we're going to lose decades of experience and specialties this is disastrous and yet like I said the by administration is plowing plowing forward with it it's very unfortunate on the topic of vaccine mandates we actually had a couple of questions submitted along those lines and both of them basically come down to the question of do we think this is going to end up in the Supreme Court is that where this mandate is going to have to be evaluated and if it does end up in the courts what do you think it's going to be the results are ocean mandates and other mandates on employers to impose vaccines on their place going to be more possible so again we know that the state's attorney generals are suing we know that rickessenberg with the wisconsin suits for law and liberty is representing a couple employers suing the 7th circuit the 7th circuit required I just heard on the radio the government's response by the 12th of November so this is going to be decided hopefully quickly hopefully they'll enjoy this and this will end the mandates if we can end the mandates now I'm hoping that you know now that the covid gods are finally recognizing hey you know what it'd be good idea if we had a pill for early treatment you know they've ignored the other ones that are working by the way okay I'm talking to doctors I'm talking to patients this multi-drug protocol for early treatment does work but you know it's not blessed by the covid gods in our health agencies but they are it sounds like they're blessed one by Merck maybe one by Pfizer which they'll be a whole lot more expensive than generic drugs but god if they work great you know if we've got early treatment you won't need the vaccines and by the way this is what we should have done from the start I've been pushing I've been advocating for early treatment literally since March of 2020 it just is so frustrating I can explain why we have completely ignored and in many cases sabotage the use of drugs that have been widely available for decades billions of doses and I have to tell you the safety difference okay Iver Mectin I'll say the word Iver Mectin over almost 26 years of safety data on the Fayers system it's a drug so it's FDA adverse event reporting system over 26 years on average 15 deaths a year are reported associated with Iver Mectin 1515 hydroxychloroquine the other dirty word over 26 years on average 64 deaths per year the normal flu vaccine by the way about 78 deaths per year covid vaccines we'll get a new number to date as of last Friday 17,610 deaths in 10 months remdesivir the bless the drug that's been blessed no proof that it reduces death maybe a couple days in the hospital everybody glommed on that one $3,000 a treatment toxic to different organs of the body oftentimes patients can't even tolerate the treatment 1,499 deaths total adverse events on the covid vaccines approaching 850,000 now they're to their two complaints about the veyer system it doesn't prove causation I understand that but it also dramatically understates the adverse events but of those 17,600 deaths now those are worldwide over 5,500 occurred on day 01 or 2 following vaccination and doesn't prove causation certainly causes me concern I don't know why it doesn't concern Fauci and Collins and Wolinsky and Janet Woodcock I have no idea why our covid gods aren't looking at that and I have no idea why they have this tremendous push for a vaccine in every arm and I have to talk as well as talking about this vaccinating 5 to 11 year olds well I'm connected to a global network of eminently qualified doctors and medical researchers okay so I read all kinds of stuff but I thought one of the interesting comments was the fact that what Pfizer proved in its application to vaccinate 5 to 11 year olds is that their vaccine reduced the mortality rate of 5 to 11 years from virtually zero to virtually zero anybody that tells you that we know the long-term safety implications of these vaccines is bald-faced lying to you nobody knows it nobody knows because we haven't taken the time this is completely experimental we've never had an mRNA vaccine ever used it's producing a spike protein that we now know is toxic to the body that's part part of the problem with covid is the spike protein is one of the problems and so we're having the body manufacture its own toxin and I'm not a doctor I'm not a medical researcher but I'm just telling you what is in the science so it's not an irrational decision say you know I think I'll kind of wait I'll take my chances I'm young I'm healthy deaths of covid is really slanted toward the elderly and people with comorbidities if you're young and healthy I mean I had covid is completely asymptomatic as are about 40 to 50 percent of everybody that gets covid so it's not an irrational decision to say I'll put my my fate in the hands of God if I get covid I've got a really good chance of surviving it hardly sometimes with hardly any symptoms versus I don't think I'll inject this experimental vaccine in my body and I'll give it a little time let's let's see what else we find out about these things particularly when you're me and I'm talking to and I'm meeting with the people that have severe vaccine injuries as I just met with a group of them again Washington DC on Tuesday if you by way if you haven't seen that go to rumble and take a look at that meeting listen to their stories listen to earnest the father who lost his best friend his 16 year old son perfectly healthy boom vaccine he's dead you know listen to those stories and then try not to be critical of people that are trying to make their own decision very tough decisions by the way I don't encourage I don't discourage that's a personal choice I'm the champion right to try but I'm also a champion of right to refuse oh I'm sorry yep hi this is our little table nurses here thank you very much first and foremost for doing your due diligence and speaking for so many who have had adverse effects we all know that it hasn't been coming to life as we would have liked I think a lot more lives could have been saved had this been brought to the table earlier I guess my question is in regards to what you foresee happening to nurses such as myself who have already lost their jobs what the recourse would be in regards to getting us back into the workforce my guess and my hope is they will be begging you to come back in the workforce they should no this this is a tragedy what's happening right now you know doctors nurses who have devoted their lives the same other lives again they were that you are the heroes of COVID are you just being cast aside again for no reason I mean I honestly could understand I would understand and might actually support it if the vaccines were incredibly safe and incredibly effective but they're not so what's the point you're particularly on the effective effectiveness of measurement if you can still get infected you can still transmit why say gear society why do this to ourselves I I don't get it I do not get it you know why why push push us on children that have like a near zero chance of serious COVID or certainly death from COVID you know 1.8 million Swedish school children went to school no mass nothing okay not one died and it's I guess it's pretty hard to find I haven't done the full research on this but I've heard other people say that the children in America that died it's hard to find anybody that didn't have some you know several co-morbidities and that I mean that happens a seasonal flu I mean your greater chance what we've seen is great chance of dying from seasonal flu than COVID if you're very young it just makes no sense but thank you for being a nurse by the way you expressed that you are a fan of personal choice in the area of vaccines and you expressed that there should be a federal mandate I believe for vaccines do you think there should be federal law prohibiting employers from requiring vaccines first of all the courts are really pretty supportive of employer mandates and I don't necessarily disagree with that I mean you're an employer your private sector you own a business you can set the terms and conditions of your employment okay I think what I would support would be a cause of action against an employer that puts somebody in that in a coercive position to get some kind of treatment and if they don't get it they lose their job so I mean it's such a it's you're forcing somebody to make a decision under such duress and that individual under duress decides to take that vaccine then gets injured I think they ought to have a cause of action against an employer I think that'd be the best way to handle it then I think employers would themselves take a look at the safety and they go well I have no problem in you guys taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine you know just holding off and you know I'll do everything I can to facilitate early treatment but I'm not going to mandate this vaccine because I've seen 17,600 people have died on the air system I've seen people being paralyzed I don't think I'm gonna take that risk as an employer to force it on you because I could get sued I think that'd be better better solutions opposed to outlawing mandates Going back to the 1.2 million illegals they could refer to earlier and a lot of them being flown on the earliest flight possible to different locations in the United States are you aware of anything in the reconciliation bill that would give them the right to vote before the next election and if so have you noticed a trend on where they're going and if they are primarily blue states where these illegals are they should not have the right to vote I don't I don't see I haven't heard they're trying to do that in reconciliation they're trying to do some other things in terms of nationalizing elections which I'm utterly opposed to you know what one of the things gives us a great deal of security in our elections is the fact they're managed by 50 individual states and even within states managed by different municipalities if every if every election clerk and I think the vast majority of them in Wisconsin are like my election clerk in the town of Oshkosh I've got a great deal of confidence in our elections but the problem is you've got some of these jurisdictions that they're not very transparent it just makes people suspicious and that's unfortunate so no I mean they should not be able to vote I am concerned about the you know relaxation of all these standards all these controls I think our goal should be to restore confidence in the integrity of our election system for everybody I mean Democrat and Republican matter who wins Democrat or Republican this is unsustainable state of affairs where you know 2016 half country didn't think Donald Trump was legitimate president 2020 now half don't think Joe Biden that's unsustainable and particularly when you recognize that it was the bipartisan Baker Carter you know James Baker Jimmy Carter their commission on election integrity when they point out the fact that abs t ballot really ballots really represent the greatest risk to fraud and what do we do during a COVID we doubled the number of abs t ballots while at the same time relaxing all the controls and we relaxed the controls here in Wisconsin on steroids completely issuing guidance is out of WEC contrary to state law that's got to be tightened up you know WECs got to be reined in the legislature has to reassert its authority over federal elections and I think they can unilaterally I don't you look at the Constitution no mention of a governor so that would be my advice to the state legislature reassert your authority on federal elections and you really can't have two sets of elections so do that and those same types of rules should govern state elections as well but they need they need to act they need to act in a very public way so the people understand why we're doing this you know the potential you know I want to make sure every legitimate vote counts I want to I do want to make it easy to vote but hard to cheat seems like the other side tends to want to make it kind of easy to cheat I don't think most Americans like that I mean I think the political class was shocked at a poll that said 80 80% of Americans support voter ID I think the public's I think the public's on the side of election controls and election integrity so that's that's the direction we ought to move okay yep I think something that would affect election integrity for me would be finite campaign finance change I think like you I believe every person who's legally supposed to vote is entitled to one vote that doesn't mean that I through any organization that I belong to should donate millions of dollars to affect the election for somebody in Idaho or Timbuktu or wherever that's just wrong I should be able to affect the elections here and in national elections I should have one vote this I mean the teachers union and I'm not picking on them it could be in can literally buy elections that just negates my vote and all the other individuals who think they're expressing one vote I don't care what the limit is but there should be a limit and what someone can accept as campaign contributions for an individual position and it should come from individuals only and it should have to be this wall so where I completely agree with you is disclosure I think that is the overall solution you know the McCain-Feingold campaign finance has been just been a miserable failure I mean all that's done is is redirected campaign contributions from the accountable campaigns where contributions are controlled and into you know the PACs and yeah that's from my standpoint out of control you know one one of the reasons truthfully that I just haven't decided or even announced the decision is these campaigns are way too long they cost way too much money because I keep saying I'm doing everybody a favor not announcing I mean I think they've already spent a couple million dollars against somebody who hasn't even announced for a candidacy with negative campaign ads so for my standpoint is you need to bring the donations back into the campaign I think where I may be apart from you a little bit is I do believe dollars equals free speech I mean free speech yeah you can go stand on on a corner on a soapbox and scream but nobody's going to hear you so you do need to pay to have your speech heard and it's not an even playing field when you've got one political party that has you know supportive unions that have people that can just donate time and and they make it so you know they're being paid to donate time and it's an unlevel playing field so there's got to be some way to make it a more fair playing field but when you've got complete disclosure you know now you've got accountability I mean if some if some multi-billionaire gives somebody a couple million bucks well people know that as a candidate I'm not sure you'd want to necessarily accept that because oh you've been bought and paid for by this particular person so to me the real solution on a campaign finances isn't to violate free speech rights not to restrict speech but just have full disclosures people know what's pulling off okay I second that motion yeah but can I just an addendum to that though there is a this is decided in NAACP versus Alabama I think the 50s I also want to make sure that donors are protected when they're giving to political causes because otherwise that can also be a chilling impact if you know that money can be disclosed so I'm talking about disclosure for candidates for office but I think people that support a cause whether it's CR club whether it's NAACP whether it's you know a conservative cause or whatever I think donors ought to be able to donate that confidentially and not have their names exposed because there's been an awful lot of intimidation and threats and that's why the course decided I think 9-0 in the NAACP through Alabama Alabama was trying to get NAACP to reveal its donor list and the Supreme Court said no I hear your point and I don't disagree with it but then wouldn't George Soros be very good at trying to hide himself and some he'll always be really good I mean there's just some things you can't fix okay again there is you know with with freedom comes responsibility but I suppose also a little bit of risk I mean what life's not perfect over here on some elections friends of God at Maricopa County uncover a bunch of voting irregularities we got subpoenas in Georgia subpoenas in Pennsylvania we got Gableman investigation Wisconsin you see anything your opinion coming out of this or is just a waste of time and money well first of all I think a lot has already come up I mean you had the lawsuit which revealed you know all kinds of problems with WEC issuing guidances and election clerks you know initiating procedures that were contrary to to law I mean the ability to cure ballots battling the park I mean so so we already knew kind of the universe of the votes that you I think it's fair to say we're illegally cast but it's not like the necessarily the voters did something illegal it was just the process was violated and that that you know makes possible a greater you know potential fraud but let's say you're a voter in the park it's not exactly like your vote was nefariously cast so you didn't know any better I mean this is what the clerk said or if your ballot was cured by election click that's not really the voters fault so that's part of the issue in terms of you know what the courts had decided with those violations of Wisconsin laws the the remedy looked pretty unappealing we've actually done that in the past I can't remember the exact law but I think there was one smaller race where like 500 ballots there you know it was determined that 500 votes were casted illegally in some way shape or form so they literally just took 500 votes and threw them away I mean the number of votes we were talking about in Wisconsin because of these guidance is contrary to to state law we literally would have taken like a couple hundred thousand toaster you know I can kind of understand why courts sort of shied away from that particular remedy and kind of look to remedy this in the future so I do know that there you know there's a bunch of people and that's a good thing I mean not only state legislators but I know there's also individuals that have you know bought and paid for the election files and they're you know getting a company that can go sort through the data to examine irregularities like you know a lot of people living as you know registered a single family house no some of that can be explained you might have a house that's being rented all the time and literally over however long those files go back you might have a bunch of people having been registered that house but are inactive so again I just think all of these irregularities need to be fully examined and explained and where there's illy illy illegality we need to prosecute people people can't get away scot free or else fraud just continues but I think we also have to be you know very honest and upfront where there are things that maybe looks suspicious and go okay that's been explained so set that off the side but you know from my standpoint we should leave no stone unturned I'm guessing no stone will be unturned it takes time it's it's it's you know one of the reasons fraud probably just continues is it's really hard to detect it it's really because once that ballots in the pile what is there to prove I mean so we can prove that ballots were cured contrary to state law but was that the voters fault is that wax fault I mean you know I would say that's wax fault they allowed it to happen they encourage it to happen that that's why again I think the state legislature should disavow whack so you're we're not election clerks don't follow them we are we are reasserting our constitutional authority to set the time's place a man of elections and then I think they should be passing laws as well but you know first first follow the law you know get rid of these guidance that are contrary to law we have the legislative audit bureau that kind of lays it all out they've got all kinds of recommendations so again there's been a there's been a pretty orderly process here in Wisconsin examining this stuff I believe that process will go will continue I think Justice Gableman I think he'll come out with the preliminary report and that's all that is he'll highlight areas and then I think you know you say forensic audit what it you know I'm not being critical of you but what is that I mean no all forensic audit means it's an audit that's designed to detect fraud my guess is you know ran some just massive thing that's gonna uncover everything you know we kind of have the universe of where the problems are so now you start forensically auditing each one of these issues leave no stone unturned and again what we can explain so okay we thought this is a problem but it wasn't you know it looked it looked pretty fraudulent but it wasn't or oh this was fraudulent or this is a real serious lapse in control that we got it tightened up so again we just have to be honest we have to go through the process and it just takes time and if you're really going to get down to the fraud level it literally is look at the voter file and say okay this person who hadn't voted for the 30 last elections all of a sudden voted and then you have to go and see what that person actually voted or whether that ballot was fraudulently cast in some way shape or form it's just it's just incredibly incredible meticulous work and generally nobody has the time or money or effort or willpower to do it I don't think we can afford not to have the willpower to do this it's so crucial that we store confidence our election system okay said hopefully answer your question anybody else sir you want to share your perspective on the Virginia election and you know how that might you know change the you know part of the nature you know kind of going forward maybe provide us with some help again I don't think you put too much stock in any one particular election I mean I think Virginia a I think the moment was just literally one comment by Terry McCullough who said you know parents shouldn't have any say in what we teach your kids I mean I think that is just so jaw-droppingly arrogant and particularly in light of the fact that you know Virginians were already rising up and you know resisting critical race theory and you know so that cost him the race now even before that though it was a dead-even race and I think that really speaks to more the national trend where I'm hoping this is the case that Mark Levin calls for in his book American Marxist and Americans must awaken to the urgency of the moment and I think Joe Biden was was granted the nomination by the media okay there weren't gonna we're gonna nominate a radical because that would scare Americans and you couldn't beat Trump so they they crown Joe Biden the the moderate in that race let him campaign out of the basement I think Americans have been shocked the Joe Biden is not governed as a moderate at all I mean his policies are radical I mean I don't know how else to I mean opening up the borders I mean the the the jawed I mean it was bad enough I mean I voted for I think one of those one big COVID package that was it that was more than enough when we started by the way when we started negotiating the cares package the 750 billion dollars and I knew we had to do something fast and massive to give confidence in financial markets we weren't gonna let them collapse I thought 750 was more than enough then literally a week it was 2.2 trillion which just shows you the problem with the federal government okay they love to spend money but then they kept spending money so Biden comes into office and you know even though we got a trillion dollars left from the first four trillion another 1.9 trillion just like that you know Bernie's out there wanting to spend six trillion dollars and they'll still spend basically six trillion the package would be six trillion they'll just score it at 1.7 trillion by not being honest it's say oh this this entitled program program will actually end in six months no I want I mean once you grant a new entitlement it's almost impossible to do away with them so I think Americans are shocked at what Democrat governance looks like I mean at least I hope they're shocked so that's that's kind of my comment and that my guest of the Democrats is gonna keep doubling down on it I don't think they're gonna get the message I think again you look at McAuliffe I mean just the arrogance that statement anybody else yep comments on a returning general on Mary Garland yeah he's a disgrace you know I full disclosure I voted for confirmation I really my attitude has always been elections matter I think there's we really have way too many confirmations I think the president ought to be able to staff his administration but you know we should have confirmation votes on the key cabinet officers and maybe a hundred you know no we've got over a thousand confirmation so no presence ever able to staff his administration because you just don't have enough time going through the confirmation is not in today's divisive Senate where you everybody makes the other side always makes the other side to run the clock I've really started voting no on most because I mean he is just nominating radical after radical and I just don't want my fingerprints on any of the Biden administration policies. Mary Garland is is a real regret as is Anthony Blinken but again I voted for him because I think the president should have advisors agrees with him not necessarily me but Mary Garland I think is what violated his oath of office the intimidation I mean that was grotesque then you find out the details of it this is a letter written by the Association of School Boards National Association National School Board Association to the Biden administration was a phone call made by you know either Biden or his handlers to Mary Garland is you're gonna you're gonna write an intimidation letter to parents I think it's outrageous and I think the I think the the treatment of the people have been arrested for January 6th is pretty outrageous as well now again I condemned and again the press doesn't report this honestly I immediately condemned the violence when I was able to finally see it but it's also true there were not thousands of armed insurrectionists that was a completely false narrative it's a narrative designed to allow Mary Garland to pretty well name tens of millions of Americans is suspected domestic terrorists to write that intimidation letter that is why that and by the way the reason that narrative was kind supported is that those members of Congress the leaders that were responsible for capital security I mean if there were thousands of armed insurrectionist they I mean how could they plan for this I mean there's there was no security plan the breach never should have happened a minimal contingent you know with those and they call them the bicycle fences you would have if you would have a police presence there you never would have got that surge and by the way I was just I've seen the video it was it was my oversight letter that revealed that over 300 people just walked in one door there was no vibe I mean they just walked in the West Terrace door and I've been listening to more and more interviews of people that never won the Capitol but they just happened to be Washington DC you basically get SWAT teams you know arresting them that is that is a violation of people's rights these aren't listen you do that when you've got drug dealers with automatic weapons I mean that that's when you use those police tactics you don't do that to basically law-abiding citizens that just happened to show up in Washington DC to exercise their first amendment rights to peacefully assemble and petition the government and that's what we're doing and I see the judge I think is clearing out the DC jail it's just such a awful place so no I'm I'm not happy with Merrick Garland I mean good thing he's not Supreme Court justice anybody else again I'm not the most uplifting character sorry you mean Afghanistan so I do I do know the administration is I know they're negotiating with Taliban you know I don't know what price will be paid you know my guess the Taliban is definitely using American citizens as negotiating ponds you know I know there are outside groups that are trying to get people out now I also know they're American citizens that again they also are they may be dual citizens of Afghanistan they've got you know Afghan family members and they don't want to leave so I think more important what I am more concerned about is getting the truth out of who all we evacuated and who all we like in this country it wasn't a bunch of special immigrants visa holders that work for US government it literally was we evacuated individuals that were able to get into Kabul airport in the chaos of the moment we didn't know who they were we still don't know who they are we are creating identities for them and we just we're just creating identities so not now all of a sudden they'll have access to well they already have access to parolee status which is not a term but that gives you legal rights in America they go through the State Department refugee program they'll be eligible for other immigration rights again my guess is most people that crowded into Kabul airport didn't want to be governed by the Taliban I think we kind of share that my guess is there aren't that many that are security threat but my my guess is also that this administration is doing a terrible job of positively positively vetting everybody when they say everybody's been screened all that means is they're taking either a biometric fingerprints or biographical information comparing it against a derogatory data you know like a terrorist watch this we have a bunch of these lists and if you didn't show up on that you're home free that they're really not they're really not doing interviews you know they so the people in the state saying well they interview that in the lily pad countries you go talk to the people in the lily pad countries and we're not interviewing we're expecting you guys interview them so it's a mess you know and I'm I'm just hoping and praying that ISIS terrorists or al-Qaeda terrorists didn't slip through that and and might be plotting it you know I hope that's not gonna be the case but this I mean incompetence doesn't even begin to underscore what how president Biden handle it handle Afghanistan we never should we never should have totally abandoned it we should have maintained a very strategic Bagram Air Force base couple hundred or a couple thousand special ops troops would have allowed our NATO partners to stay we could have supported the Afghan security forces and we could have kept the Taliban at bay by the way it's the afghans have been fighting and dying what more than 60,000 died to defend their freedom and now that's all lost I mean it's just a travesty and it's dangerous so it's an embarrassing but also dangerous surrender that's uplifting one of the questions that we got ahead of time has to do with federal support for economic development here and specifically believe the federal government should support additional spending on infrastructure to support businesses if so what type of support would you so my position infrastructure at this moment would be the $1.9 trillion COVID relief package that was passed on purely party lines again when we had more than a trillion dollars of the four trillion that hadn't been spent yet 700 billion of that 1.9 trillion wasn't even scheduled to be spent till 2022 through I think 2028 clearly not COVID relief I mean just setting up new programs and so my position I wish this would have been Republican position that we would have stayed pat on is so we don't further mortgage a kid's future as already passed you know the bonds are going to have to be bought let's take that 700 billion dollars rescind it and repurpose it for infrastructure about 700 billion would have been more than enough but and any infrastructure package which drives me nuts is how's it spent I always ask you give me the list you know what do you spend this on but you know we end up just allocating it and it just gets miss spent all over the place I mean I know the you know what the American was at ARPA I mean listen I know municipalities just love free money I know a lot of municipalities are going I don't know what we're gonna spend this on the good news by the way those ARPA funds I know the state can't decrease taxes but municipal governments can so you know good luck you know securing those you know with whatever strings are attached but I would have preferred taking the 700 billion dollars and repurposing that but give us a good list of what we need to spend money on and specifically what types of things should be spent well from the federal government again can always argue who should pay for what you know local needs should be as much as possible supported by by local governments but you know things like interstate highways locks and dams you know things that really contribute to interstate commerce ports that type of thing that's that'd be the first priority for federal spending again I'm not opposed the way we've turned government on its head where you know the federal government sucks up most the cash to allocate some of that as well by the way I'm not when it comes to deficit spending infrastructure is one thing I'm not opposed to borrowing money to pay for infrastructure but at this point in time when we're you know 29 trillion dollars in debt and running at least just operational deficits of a trillion dollars a year little reluctant do that right now but in normal times I mean if you if you are not running deficits at all I would have no problem I would support you know borrowing money to pay for infrastructure the last 20 30 years and that's what you're doing mortgages makes perfect sense but again in today's world with all the deficit spending all the money chasing too few goods I think we're in stagflation this is not the time to keep loading on to that that debt that's what we're doing right now related questions someone else asked us to do with transportation and is there any particular investment we should be making in transportation mentioned a couple things yeah truck drivers and airline pilots I'm dead serious about that we've got a real real shortage and it's going to continue but part of the issue again I would refer you to my waltz for journal op-ed that ran on these Monday or Tuesday but but I'm talking about how harmful it's been to our society this multi-decade narrative to our all of our kids you got to get a four-year degree that's fine for people at the aptitude that know what they want to do the four-year degree what does that tell a kid when you just push on everybody what does that tell a kid who doesn't want to go to college they want to go in the trades to do something else you know wants to work in you know valuable work in in factories you know feel like said fields and factories but that they're second-class citizens that their work doesn't have value the result of that right now is we can't feel those positions got a bunch of kids collectively 1.7 trillion dollars in debt 1.7 trillion dollars in debt I can't tell you how many how heartbreaking is when I get a parent sometimes hand me an envelope hey senator can do something and I open it up I read how you know this this parents child and me or maybe their spouse is in 200,000 dollars worth of debt but making payments 10 years haven't take paid off any principal we've enticed our children to dig themselves a hole they can never dig themselves out of their delaying buying a house or delaying having a family they're delaying starting a life when the whole purpose of college was to make a beautiful life for them but you don't hear many people talking about that do you it's like oh everything's coming up roses this has been great you know what no it's in many respects has been a disaster so you know my suggestion is let's start valuing all work my parents brought me up basically believing that the greatest compliment you ever paid somebody else's there's really hard worker no matter what they did now the good news is these shortages is people in those trades are going to they're going to start getting paid with their worth the price of plumbing electric electrical truck driving you know the price that's just going to go up and it probably should these are these are valuable workers these are valuable trades but you know let's let's stop forcing our kids into college forcing me into debt getting degrees that nobody values and you're filling the blank studies courses I mean okay there's some value in I guess learning how to think I'd rather much rather have them learn how to live and you know after a couple years out of high school they're working stuff they say you know I really like to improve my education then go to college yeah I just we just do this totally backwards it's unfortunate well the big question that people wanted all the answers when you touched on this a little bit earlier but are you running so I honestly have not made that decision but I will say I'm kind of stepping out the pace of the people I need to talk to consider all the factors so I have made the comment that the decision will not be in the distant future so that's as much as you can get out of me I am mindful and it is impactful quite honestly as I've traveled around the state how many people you know are encouraging me to you know strongly encouraging me so I've only had one person come up and say hey remember you pledged but by way I made that pledge I mean you know me and my wife meant it I would be happy to return to my former life I really would be but in 2010 I ran because I was panicked for our nation here is 2021 I'm more panicked I don't know about you guys but I'm more panicked and that that will be a big factor there you go I told you that has an impact yep I'm not trying to be funny saying this I'm talking about work we have a vice president vice president Pence was pretty visible we saw him a lot did a lot of it can you tell us anything that current vice president does even wrong well she's not a very good borders are when she went down to Central America in search of the root cause may I suggest we'll just walk into the Oval Office you'll see the run the root cause of the border crisis sitting behind the whichever desk he's chosen to use yeah beyond that I mean calm like what I will say about the vice president Harris is she served on my committee when I was chairman and I'm not sure she was there for the entire time my chairmanship I don't think she was but she was there for multiple hearings on the border and our illegal immigration system so we held hearings where you know testimony was provided that they were selling children one child sold for $81 to be used for an adult as a family member you know that that turned into a family so that you can't separate him you're home free you get in little three-year-old boy was abandoned in a in a hundred degree heat in the cornfield because the adult that he was either sold to or used him got in didn't need the kid anymore she's aware of the sex trafficking and she had to be aware you know I went to Guatemala one time I visited a shelter for sex trafficked little girls I mean 11 year olds I mean the oldest one was something like 16 and then a bunch of little cribs obviously because have a lot of babies so the vice presidents fully aware of that the president should be and yet they're enacting these policies that facilitate the multi-billion dollar business model of the human traffickers of the sex traffickers of the drug traffickers so I can tell you that about the vice president and the president they're aware of what their policies are gonna result in and they press them forward anyway they're they have to be aware of what these mandates are gonna do they have to be aware of the gut wrenching life-altering decisions that people are gonna have to make they have to be aware the depredations of the open border policy of the human trafficking they have to be aware of that but they throw caution the wind I mean quite honestly they have to be aware of the vaccine injuries it's their own veyer system let's get a shot in every arm hey let's put them in kids why I have no idea I have I can't explain a liberal mind I can't all I can do is try and warn Americans of the harm and one of things I've been criticized for and it's just not true most things I've been criticized about are not true I mean the lies and distortions the media are profound I hope you understand that but you know during the election I would often be the pre-rally speaker and God I one of my standard lines was when we listen to President Obama five days before he got elected he said you're gonna fundamentally transform this country and then Joe Biden parroted the exact same phrase we're gonna fundamentally transform America so I just asked the question do you do you like much less love somebody you want to fundamentally transform so you wake up in you know the morning I look over my wife Jane say Jane I love you I'm gonna change everything about you no now I get accused saying Democrats don't love this country it's not what I'm saying it's quoting the poll what I was trying to warn Americans about Wisconsinites about is don't elect leaders that don't think America is a particularly good place to think we're a systemically racist nation that think we have to fundamentally change what we are and who we are things like critical race theory so we again we have to awaken to what Democrat policies lead to it's not good this is this isn't you know I can almost understand during the Great Depression you know I can understand people there's got to be a better model than laissez-faire capitalism you know no holds barred no no rules no regulations you know let's and you know so they tried socialism they tried communism tens of millions of people were murdered in this retaliatory regimes so now it's not theory we've we've just seen the late latest experiment Venezuela an oil rich nation an economic basket case where the population is starving I think 10 to 50% of the population is fled it's because of socialism that's what people that want to fundamental fundamentally transform America that's the path they want to put America on I'm panicked about that I wish more Americans were I certainly hope at least a majority are because I don't know about you but I I dearly love this country I know it's not perfect but it's the best thing that's ever happened in this world in terms of a government in the economy nothing has even come close other than the other nations that have now followed our example and delivered similar prosperity but that's America that paved the way that's our system yeah there things need to be fixed like out of control government spending but most of the solutions lie here in chambers of commerce's in our cities in our towns and our municipalities in our states in our families again renewed faith stronger families supported communities that's where the solutions are going to lie so if you're dissatisfied with the way things are don't look to the federal government to solve your problems take control here run for local office get get get our own house in order here you just might have that trickle of the fact as the nation looks at well there's there's a good pretty good success story here it's perfect examples Joseph project wasn't it wasn't done for political reasons just like there's a need there's a way of satisfying that need and good people in Sheboygan together with a extraordinary man Pastor Jerome Smith who's no longer with us providing example of how you transform people's lives one person at a time there's a solution just you know stop looking for the trust me the federal government is just not capable of doing these things they screw it up they exacerbate problems while they're mortgaging kids future so I'm that happy note is that it or that's it we're out of time okay so much thank you much