 We love an in-studio guest, the brilliant Carmen Metaldi joining us here to break down the NFC North. She's great. You'll love her. You know her because she's been on the show a million times. And the reigning heavyweight champ of sports media is here. Pat McAfee now. What's with the reigning heavyweight champ? I don't have that in me, but lost to talk about today. Urse fires back. My mic pack just fell on the floor. Kraft and Jones had a bit of a spat. They got over it. DeHop, Deondra Hopkins is back just in time for Thursday night football. I might have talked to him. You might have said he's feeling good for that one ahead of the game. Against the Saints to Sean Jackson goes to the Ravens. Ipso facto, Aaron Rodgers is jealous. We've got it all today, and this mug appeared at my table. Why would I have an all of a sudden fan-dual branded mug? Because we have a big guest on the show. I really think that that's why. They're like, oh, McAfee's on. Get the fan-dual mug on the set today, which is great. And here he is, our first guest, a two-time pro bowler. All-fro punter during his eight seasons for the Indianapolis Colts. Now he is a media mogul. It's true you can see and hear him ring side. For the WWE, you can see him parting his face off as part of ESPN's college game day every Saturday, all while ruling the sports world from the Thunderdome in Indiana from the Pat McAfee show, making his fan-dual TV debut. Pat McAfee! Hey, Kay. I thought your introduction was fantastic. Early you said you weren't going to be able to do it. You sounded amazing, and I think it's because that coffee is extra crisp this morning in that fan-dual mug. We don't have any of those over here at the Fan-dual Thunderdome, but hopefully one day. Thank you for having me, Kay. This is an Up and Atoms debut. I am pumped about this. Thank you so much. Thank you for making the time. I don't know how you do it. I'll try not to take a ton of it. Congrats on everything, especially the Thunderdome. How's it coming along? You've been very honest about the experience. Yeah, the Thunderdome, in theory, was brilliant. You know, in Thunderdome, in theory, was a beautiful idea, a great concept. We got a much better setup. We got a much bigger setup. But technology-wise has been a nightmare. For some reason, if you just plug wires into wires, they don't work. But other than that, we're enjoying the hell out of the NFL season and enjoying the college football season. And we're lucky to do this every single day. And we're lucky that you are back into the daily sports media world. We appreciate the hell out of you, Kay, for sure. Thanks, Aaron. I appreciate that. Okay, I know you've got a big show ahead, and I'm sure you'll be talking about this. Do you want to start with Erse and Snyder, or should we have some appetizers and light-nosh first? Well, I'm not a big appetizer guy. Give me the meat. Good. You know what I mean? I'll dive right in there. I'm doing the keto as well. I think the Erse stuff was fantastic, Kay. What are your thoughts? I mean, oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is an interview. No, no, no, you're on my show, and I know that you hate that. My thoughts are that it's a mess. Fall owners meeting Dan Snyder under fire for a billion jillion things, and Erse comes out hot. He's the first NFL owner to publicly condemn or at least fire back at Dan Snyder. I think it was badass, and I think the floodgates are open now. It's going down. How do you feel about what Erse had to say? I think to your point, Kay, normally we don't hear this type of stuff from NFL owners. Honestly, NFL owners are normally a tight-knit group. We heard this last year when Mark Davis came out of the owner's meetings, and obviously John Gruden was the only emails that we've seen, like 10 emails, or bad emails out of like 400,000 or 600,000. And Mark Davis at the owner meetings was asked, do you think they should expose all the other emails? And Mark Davis goes, yeah, they should. And then he walks away and he goes, I gotta go to dinner, guys. And he had a starter jacket on, a backpack on, and I believe a flat bill at the time. And that was really the first time we had heard an owner kind of turn on the rest of the owners, because the rest of the owners were saying, hey, listen, we need to keep this tight. We need to be on the same page. That's why their business has been so damn good for so long is because they're always on the same page. So when Jim Hersey goes into these owner meetings and cuts a promo on Dan Snyder saying, there's merit to kick this guy the hell out of here, even though it was not on the agenda for conversation or for a vote, I think it's a beautiful thing. Now, is Jim Hersey the guy that we all thought would be that? I don't know if nationally people thought it'd be Jim Hersey. I think in Indy, though, we love this dude. This dude is a rock star. He has lived 45 lives in his 62 years of existence. He was a general manager at the age of 31. I think he became an owner in the 40s. He's friends with McCartney and everybody that you could even fathom. He's been there, done that with everything. And, you know, I think him opening up and starting the conversation publicly is something that wasn't going to be received well privately. But I think it's a good thing. Now, does Dan Snyder take the $5 billion to sell that team if he's forced to do so? Or will he continue to linger around and continue to do what Dan Snyder does and actually just be a cockroach and survive? I have no idea, but it's electrifying what Jim Hersey did yesterday. Agree, and I'm an Hersey gal. I was in Indianapolis. I didn't get to come to the Thunderdome. I wanted to come hang out and say hi. But, you know, I was there on behalf of Jim Hersey. Jim Hersey's family and Kaylin and everybody. And I don't know him super well. No owner is perfect. What he did yesterday was badass. What he's done in his career is badass. He was so warm and things that are, he's such a passionate guy, not only about the NFL, but he's not afraid to say it. And he went out there and did his thing. And now it's impossible for other owners to not follow. And they need 24, by the way, everyone watching. It's 24 votes to make it happen. The ousting of all ousting. And, you know, I just, we need the commission on your show because we had, you know, we had Kraft and we had Jonesy yelling at each other at some meeting. What is it going to take to get the commissioner on the Pat McAfee show and what would your first question be? The only way we get the commissioner on a show is if we have Kay Adams on our show. I think that is really the only way that that could happen because you are obviously the media darling of everybody in the NFL. That is why we're all pumped that up and Adams is back or so good at your job. I don't know if the commission will ever come on. I got a DM from Troy Vincent, senior. Okay. Junior. Troy Vincent senior, the former player. That's not like second or third in command over there. He is. Yeah. Is it senior Kay or junior? It's a good question. I'll look it up. But I know who you're talking about. Of course, he's in charge of lots of decisions. He's very close to the commissioner. Does he have a son named Troy Vincent or is he a dad Troy Vincent? I think he's just Troy Vincent. I've never knew that there was a senior associated to it. It might be senior. I'm not here. Is it Troy Vincent senior or whatever the case? I don't know. What do you think I have? You think I have like a newsroom of crack staff looking stuff up for me? Are you joking? Like it is senior. I'm happy they're doing this thing right. I don't know about this banner that is across the bottom of the screen. I think that is a little bit of a questions on that. But everything else fantastic that you got going on. So Troy Vincent senior or junior. Okay. Troy Vincent senior. All right. Perfect. We figured that out. Troy Vincent senior sent me a DM and he thanked me for what I do for the NFL and all this stuff. So I was like, oh, so people in the offices are listening. So Roger Goodell might have heard my show in the past. If Roger was to come on, there's so many questions. I mean, not only about the growth and the evolution of what the NFL is and what it's going to become. Maybe the European international division that's coming. But also with, you know, if you expand this thing, getting more money in the league, new ownership. I mean, it's just that is a three hour, four hour conversation I could have that hopefully one day I'll be able to do with old Roger. And I'll bring him peanut M&Ms and make sure he has that leather couch that he likes to sit on door and watch an NFL football in his basement. I mean, we'll make him feel as comfortable as possible just like you have done here on up in Adams. Stop, stop saying stuff like that. You make me so comfortable and you know it. I think I could, I think I would put all the money at NFL Sportsbook that Matt, that the commissioner watches your show. Often, almost regularly. I can almost guarantee it. Let's talk about Aaron Rodgers. He has to hate it. No, I don't think so. No, no, no. I really don't think so. You're so good. What do you mean? You're so good for the game. What are you thinking about? Yeah, but there's sometimes we got to call it how to see it. Like, for instance, these officials thinking, you know, like these types of things. But I feel like we are trying to grow the league, trying to grow the game. And more importantly, we're just trying to enjoy it every single day. And I think that's why the show you came from Good Morning Football and what you're doing now with this show and our show. Like, I like to celebrate sport. I like to enjoy competition. I like to enjoy watching the greats be great. That is why our show has the vibe that it has because we just want to enjoy the NFL. We want to do our thing. Ultimately, we want to take every single dollar from Fando and every single bet that we place. We love it. We'll get to that. Aaron Rodgers, he was there with you yesterday, not physically in the Thunderdome. I'm sure he'll stop by sometime, but he was there. We all watch it. We all listen. It's appointment viewing. What changes have you seen from Aaron last year to this year? Like, how has he evolved in your eyes? I don't know. It's an interesting question because I got to hang out with him for like the first time for, you know, a few days out of Tahoe for the American Century Championship Golf Tournament. He was staying in the same house. Nice. Hey, it was his house. He rented it. We got to stay in there. It had different wings. There was a spa in there. I mean, it was beautiful. But getting to learn about him as a human off the field, out of our interviews, out of our conversations was interesting because I do believe he's just like a hippie musician who just so happened to be the best football thrower in the history of anything. I think he could have succeeded in any avenue that he wanted to. I think his brain is massive. We've all seen that on display on a regular basis and he just so happens to be the most talented NFL quarterback of all time. I mean, coming into the season without Devonte, he knew there was going to be some growing pains. They knew they were going to have a little bit of struggles. There's three and three right now. And the way he said it yesterday is like all the teams going into the season and the NFC that were supposed to go to the Super Bowl are all three and three as well. So I think, you know, growth, I think I've seen him off the field grow a lot over the last three years just from outside looking in. Yeah. But on the field, I think he's just trying to figure it out with the guys that he has this team that he has. And I think he on the floor will do so. I mean, all research and study has told us that they're going to be able to figure it out. I assume they will be, but it's certainly not the glitz and the glamour and the fun times that it was last year at this time for the Green Bay Packers. If he's a hippie musician and you know, he's into all that stuff. Should we, you and I, we have power, should we manifest a receiver to him? He was talking about it on the Pat McAfee show yesterday. Should we like do some Woosa? Like what's receiver do we want? If you could pick any receiver, oh boy, to go out there to good. Well, that was fun. I've gone too far. Oh, what is that? This thing is it's prayer chain, I believe, or something. I don't know. Aaron had it on. It's a Native American prayer necklace. It's supposed to have really good vibes. This is what Aaron was wearing that day. He looked like a super hippie on his travels to the game. So if we're going to do some manifesting, I think we got to actually properly do it with whatever the hell this thing is. That I go off of Amazon for four bucks. And my sandal mug. Yeah, I'm going to say I want Odell. I still want Odell. Odell, healthy, great, good football fit. That's what I want. Well, you know, Deshaun Jackson goes to Baltimore Jackson to Jackson. The I am athlete podcast had him on live. I believe in Philly and he said, hell yeah, I'll come back. I'll go to Baltimore. I'll go to Kansas City. I'll go to any of these other places. So go ahead and get that speed off the board. Whenever it talks about Odell Beckham Jr. If you look with the Kansas City Chiefs just did yesterday. Okay. Whenever they restructure Travis Kelsey's contract into a signing bonus and open up 3.455 million dollars in cap space. You would assume that that's maybe to bring in Odell Beckham Jr. The trade deadlines next week. I hope they get Odell Beckham Jr. I hope they get a weapon for Aaron to continue to use because although Dobbs has come into his own and Tonians his own, you know, animal on the football field. And big dog is great. And Randall Cobb is going to be out for a couple of weeks because he's hurting. Aaron Jones is a guy that they can't get the ball to, but they love another weapon is always good for a Super Bowl run. So I will woo saw and manifest alongside you with my little prayer beads. Oh, but I think if somebody doesn't believe enough, which would be maybe the GM who doesn't offer enough money. I don't know if manifesting is enough, you know, because Odell Beckham Jr. was offered $600,000 by the Green Bay Packers last year. Then he was offered $4 million from the Los Angeles Rams. He goes on to win a Super Bowl. So it's a wild time in the NFL. And for the Packers, hopefully they'll be able to pull the trigger and put some money on the table for somebody to make their team better. It's so true. It's been a wild time. And we've also seen something I know that you love, special teams getting love, right? We were seeing kickers getting primetime postgame Justin Tucker the other week. And then we, of course, the Dustin Hopkins. That thing was crazy tough. It was one of the toughest things I feel like I've seen. Ever, ever. Yeah, a la Darius Butler went into the film room and I did my homework on you, Pat McAfee. And you pretty much did it all. Fake punt run, fake punt pass. You had to punt down at the one. You've recovered your own onside kick. My favorite thing, though, is this. It just truly, truly is. And it's famous and everybody sees it. I don't think it quite gets enough love. The laying out of one trend in holiday back in 20th. You're a mad man. Well, okay. This was supposed to be a touchback because he was having a pro bowl year. That guy's an Olympic sprinter in trend in holiday. And I just closed my eyes right as fast as I could and right on the sideline right in front of Eric Decker. I believe Peyton Manning's big heads looking on John Fox. There was a guy that was supposed to block me. I forget his name right now. He's a good dude. He was, we were going to be like friends with each other as David Thornton pumping me up a little bit. Somebody hit me in the head too. Might have had a concussion. Who knows? I mean, I don't wear a mouthpiece. That doesn't matter. I guess in the whole concussion conversation. But yeah, that's one of the luckiest, most athletic moments of my entire life. And really I was just running with my eyes closed, okay? You know, and I'm 230, right now probably 240. He's like 170, 180 pounds. So I should win that battle, but he was an Olympic sprinter. So the fact that I got the angle is incredible lucky. And you know, a blind squirrel will find a nut every once in a while. And then when you get that nut, you got chew on. It's amazing. You got a chew on that nut. You got a chew on that nut. You certainly do. I can't believe I just said that. You always get me somehow one way or the other. Well, I was watching this last night and I thought to myself, like, receivers dream of the game-winning touchdown. And safeties, they go to bed and they're like, oh, like they manifest and we saw that fourth quarter pick six. So the night before the game as a punter, what is the dream scenario? Like, was that the all-time dream moment for a punter? No, no. Like, I think the dream scenario is not having a pun at all. Like, that is the dream scenario is not having a pun at all because then we're winning games. And I'll tell you, every punter that I've ever met loves having a good time. You know, love a couple beers, love the team winning, love celebrating. So the fact that we got to go out every once in a while and bail an offense out who's not able to get a first down, we understand it's our job, but it's not what we're looking forward to. I'd rather have zero puns, all kickoffs, all holds, and then move on to the next game as a dub, with a dub, and celebrate the hell out of it. But you're trying to pin a team on a one. I mean, you're trying to play full court defense. That's all you're trying to do as a punter. You are a field position controller. So anytime you pin another team deep and they got to go a long way, percentages say they're probably not going to score. You're probably going to get paid and your defensive coordinator and your defensive teammates are going to love you for it. So that is what, if we're called into action, we're trying to do. And every once in a while, you get a tackle and get to showcase so you're not that, you know, soft. You're a little bit more athletic than people think. That's a win as well, Kay. I love it. We all loved it. Your tweets guys it up and out. I'm sure I have one more question for you, but I did want to get to this because I had a million for you. I know you have to go get ready for your show. You are stretched so thin. You're doing college game day at ESPN, the whole thing a dream. And you're so, so incredible at it. And you're back flipping into the water and you're, you know, flying from place to place WWE. But you do somehow, somehow, I don't know how you make time to give back. And I do think, and it's not, I'm not kissing your ass. Like it's a very, it's very cool of what you do. And I don't think it gets talked about enough. And it reminds me of kind of a Gronki's a character. It's all like, you know, for you, it's, you know, black tank tops and Pat Fouldery. But what you do for WVU Children's Hospital, millions and millions, you're Alma Mater, Plum High School in Pennsylvania. We looked at organizations supporting victims of domestic violence. Let me just say that it is really inspiring, but yes, you're making a lot of money. You're on top of the world, but you are giving back. And I think that that's really special and it doesn't get highlighted. So now hopefully everybody pays a little closer attention to that. Very cool. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate the acknowledgement. You know, yeah, I'm incredibly lucky. I'm grossly overpaid to do what I do. I think I understand that I've been grossly overpaid to do what I do since I came out of high school or came out of college at 21. Whenever you get paid millions of dollars to kick a football. And then whenever you get to talk about sports with your friend and they pay you what you pay, the only right thing to do is to kind of take care of the people that have gotten you to where you are. So all the things that I donated to are all, you know, programs and foundations I've been a part of in the past that I wanted to say thank you to and give back to and hopefully, you know, make the world a little bit better for somebody. I'm lucky to do okay. I'm thankful you brought it up. I will hopefully continue to do so until I'm broke, which is definitely going to happen again at some point. And yeah, let's just try to make the world a little happier, a little better. And that's literally the goal of why I retired when I did. So, okay. I appreciate the hell out of that. Well, it's really important because, you know, when I was talking to Amy Howe, who you know, and Mike Rappensberger and coming over to Fanduil, like this logo is number one right now. They're number one. They're leading the way you are in your respective industry as well. And when you're on top, I do think you should pay it forward. And we, that's why we really traveled the show to Indianapolis and we're looking for players and teams and everything that we were trying to catch people doing good. And I just thought it was really cool that you did that. Last one for you very quick. Last time I saw you, you made fun of me for how I approached gorillas in the Rwandan jungle. And you said that if you saw, if you saw a gorilla that you'd walk up and shake his hand. Now I know you're obsessed with UFOs and aliens and all of that stuff. So you're going to Eugene, Oregon. Say on your travels, you somehow come into contact with an actual alien, which you might be based off your time management skills alone. How are you approaching an alien? I think I'm just saying what's up, you know, like honestly, I believe, and I've thought about this. This is something that I haven't put the prayer chains on and manifested about, although I should think about it. And Aaron and I, you know, maybe kind of dive deeper into some plants in the middle of the jungle to find out if this is possible or real or not. Because it sounds like whenever you travel interdimensionally, which is what that plant did that he does, it's a real wild time. I think we should try to shake their hunts. You know, I think we should go shake their hunts. I honestly believe that. I don't think the right thing to do is just walk up and smack them in the mouth. I don't think the right move is to go ahead and fire a missile at them. I think we should go try to shake whatever they got. What if they don't have hands? Well, yeah, that if it's an appendage, I think we high-five. I just think I would love to have a good conversation with an alien. I think that is something I would enjoy doing. I appreciate you, you know, saying maybe I'm an alien. Like, that's... I'm on to you. I'm just saying. That's a pretty big compliment, you know, because Elon Musk definitely won. There's numerous others that I believe are aliens. I would like to just chat with them. I'd like to have a conversation because I think everybody has a story and I couldn't fathom what an outer galactic or intergalactic one would be like from an alien. And I think we're getting close, Kay. I think we're getting real close to meeting these aliens and I am here for it. I think that's why you built the Thunderdome. It's not a studio. It is, in fact, a defense place that, you know, it's a place that everyone can go locked in. I'm on to you, Pat McAfee. And I'm also on to you wearing tank... I thought you got rid of the tank tops. You grew out of the tank tops. Now you have them. So I'm a little confused, but we love you here on the show. So thank you for stopping by. I love your show. I appreciate you for having me. I was gonna move on from the tank tops. I was gonna move forward the sleeves and dress in a little bit nicer. I only had two shirts that had sleeves at the house. How many tank tops? It's like 60 to 65. I haven't kept track, but it's literally just my closet is like a hilarious just like tank top, tank top, tank top, tank top, tank top, back to back to back to back to back to back. So whenever I wanted to move on from the tank top, because it was getting a little chilly, I'm becoming an adult, you know, what these types of things are happening. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna start wearing shirts. Only had two of them with sleeves and it was a problem for game day. I only have like two shirts with sleeves on them. So I had to start like buying on Amazon. So literally as the shipments of dress stuff is coming in, you're seeing it live on game day. I'm a little disappointed you're wearing suits and stuff on that college game day show. I have to have respect for it. Kay, Kay, I gotta have respect for that table, that desk. I have to. You respect for it? What are you saying about my show that you come on wearing a tank top then? I don't know if the standard has been set that everybody for 30 years is gonna dress up. And now granted, 30 years from now, I come on up in Adams and we're all wearing turtlenecks and we're drinking out of coffee mugs. I would do the same thing to show respect, but it is morning television, you know? I feel like you know something about it. I would die. I would die to be in those production meetings. Like I'm watching you flip into the water. I'm like, is that something that he just did? Or did you have to... Like what's the negotiation of what Pat McAfee wants to do on a storied show like that that has so many elements versus what he can do? It's so funny. They thought, they were like, hey, you wanna go down to the Vol Navy? He would like to showcase that. And I started putting myself in my position. I'm like, if you put me on a boat, like there's a very good chance I'm gonna end up in that water if it's a boring... If this is not going well, I'm gonna end up in that water. And they told me that water is dirty. I had my mouth open when I jumped in there. You know, gotta live and learn. Who knows what I got from it. But I've been having a blast on Saturday morning. It's good. It's amazing. We love watching you. I know, go do your show. You're amazing. We'll be tuning into the Pat McAfee show. Of course, as we always do, thank you for stopping by. Don't watch my show. The show stinks. I don't have to prepare that much. Cheers to you though, okay? You are crushing it. Thankful you're in the Fandle family. Cheers. See you soon. Cheers to you. All right, we've got more to come. He's just the greatest. Oh my gosh, unbelievable. Bundy is saying Russell Wilson appears to have been a system quarterback in Seattle. This is an underreaction to the week that was. Denver appears to have threatened their immediate future with the sighting. So what would you do? Just blow up the Broncos? What are we doing? Poor Louis Hamilton. Yeah, yeah. Some things were underreacting to Pat McAfee having his mouth open when he jumped in that water. And this, take a look at the Giants. No one in the NFL is having more fun than this team. And it matters. This is, of course, the Victor Cusack. And he did a good job. I'll have to ask old Victor about this. Then you had Dabel and Wink, post game. They were super excited. Look at them. Look at you. Super excited. They're having more fun than anybody. The coaches are in on it. And we're also seeing raw motion too. Take a look. And why does it matter? Because I do, in fact, think in 2022, the Belicheckian hard nose, no days off, all business approach is a bit of an anomaly. And it does not work for most teams. If you look at recent history, the teams that surprise and they go on runs are usually the ones that are embracing camaraderie and embracing fun in the process. Think about that 2017 Saints team. They milked every defensive celebration. They run, they're taking pictures, the whole thing. 2019 Niners, Kittle, his antics, a t-shirt on t-shirt stuff. Remember the Eagles with their dog masks? We're looking at the Eagles now with their Batman capes and all of that going on. The Bengals, Borough, the press conference, the quotes, the wardrobe. When you look really at the way this league is going and you remove the old men and women yelling at a cloud about what's going on, this is an element. Fun is an element necessary for success. In this NFL. And so that's one of my under reactions for this week. Let's keep them coming here because everyone loves to overreact, but let's get into some of it and let's get into the Tennessee Titans. Shall we? Okay, yeah, let's do it. They're coming off a bye. So literally no one is talking about them, but they, you know, reigning number one seed in the AFC, wins three straight. Derek Henry looks like he's starting to cook again, averaging 140 total yards per game, four touchdowns over the course of this win streak. And even in this bye week, they've generated plenty of headlines. Look at, but headlines, but not really, right? No one's talking about this. I'm going to go ahead and say this is one of my favorite players of all time to Laney Walker, deciding to officially retire as a Titan. And it's very fitting because the three-time pro bowler sort of perfectly embodies what this team is. Understated, he was always out there and performed. He was tough as nails and he meant the world to the city of Nashville. He went through immense tragedy that was very much connected to what was going on with his team or at least bonded in memory with what's going on with his team. And then he has stood for, you know, no drunk driving. He has stood for things and he did everything the right way. I've always been a huge fan of Laney Walker, one of the first jerseys I ever purchased. So congrats on his retirement to this perennially and weekly and daily underreacted two team. And they're getting a new stadium. That's another big headline. They've got funding for $2.2 billion dome that was approved. So we may see, you know what this means, Super Bowl Nashville, which I'd be so here for in the future. All right, the second thing that I think everyone's underreacting to is George Kittle and his comments. Oh, he's so fun and he's great and he should be in the WWE. Well, over the past two days, when, you know, he kept it real and when we're talking about the Niners, even on the show, we had analyst Mark Schlaerith on Monday and we talked about the San Francisco injuries or a big part of that story. Take a look. I know there is deep as anybody in the national football league, but when you lose six players and you lose guys, you know, the likes of starting corner Emmanuel Mosley, Nick Bosa, Eric Armstead, Javon Kinlaw, and that takes its toll. So we're talking injuries. Darius Butler also alluded to, well, it's injuries. When you think about the Niners and how talented they are and anything that could get in the way of their success, it's always the injuries. Kittle, though, had a different take. I mean, you could use that as an excuse, but we were the San Francisco 49ers. We have a standard that we play at. I mean, we play at a very high level, a lot of energy, 100% effort on every single play. And, you know, I don't watch the tape yet, but I don't know if we gave that today, you know, at every single position. Very un-Kittle in a great way. I like it. Being injured is an excuse everyone makes for this team, for every team. He's not letting that be the story or set into the locker room. And, yes, the injuries are vast. You can totally make that case. It's bad. Eric Armstead and Bosa and Trent Williams would be the best guy out there, especially, you know, Mark Schlerer said anybody would say it. But then, I don't know, let's jump off this full screen because you just got to look at what the Giants are doing. And I could point to many teams, but, you know, the Giants fans and the Giants can be sitting here making every conceivable injury excuse, but instead they have changed their plan of attack and they have found a way to get it done. So, listen, it is Game of Thrones in the NFC West. Everyone's running around without appendages. Children are crying. It's ugly. But the throne is there for the taking. Everyone is still alive in the thing. And I think it comes down to who figures it out first. Is it the Niners? Do they figure out a way to attack with their injuries? Do they, you know, kiddle questioning their effort? We're not talking about this enough. 49ers Rams this weekend, which has always been a fun one-sided joust. So, we'll see how it shakes out. All right. I want your underreactions at Up and Atom Show. Carmen Batali is coming up with the third thing that we are underreacting to is, are we not doing Trabisci? No, I'm confused because I'm confused. Anybody want to speak to me? Are we so we're not doing Trabisci then? No one's listening in the control room. No one's listening in the control room. No, we don't want to do Trabisci now because, okay, are we doing it? I guess we are. Poor Trabisci, let's just be real here. He's gotten the shaft on our show. We wanted to talk about him on Monday. It got pushed to Tuesday. We wanted to talk about him on Tuesday. Get pushed to Wednesday. I want to talk about him today and then we start going to the break instead of talking about him, but we're going to give him a love because he was nearly perfect after Kenny Pickett went out with that concussion. We are underreacting to his potential second story to his second act to his second rewrite because we've been keep wanting it to happen. We don't know if it will, but he was awesome. Game-changing touchdown toss to Chase Claypool. Game-ending 10-play, four-minute 38-second drive. That said, see ya, Tom Brady. More drama about you. You know, Brady's dealing with a whirlwind at the tornado of drama at the hands of Mitchell Trabisci, which is amazing. So he was sort of unceremoniously benched against the Jets and now it was really awesome to see him sort of get his moment. He got to go scorched earth and he sends Brady packing the Steelers season saved now from the brink of oblivion. Hopefully saved. And we don't really know how things are going to play out here. Tomlin is very much being Mike Tomlin about this, but the truth is, Mitch gave the Steelers fans a moment they won't soon forget. A bright spot at the very least. So big time decision for old Tomlin and we will now go to break because we gave Mitchell Trabisci his love in the sloppiest segment we've had in the last 15 of 32 shows. But that's okay. We're still learning here. We had Pat McAfee. Carmen Vitale is in studio. I wanted to get up and greet her, but I can't because my mic pack is off. It's fine. We'll be back. We'll be back. God, Connor is yelling at me. I'm taking selfies. I'm doing social stuff. Look at this. What's going on here? Oh boy. What? Carmen, help me out. Go to the other camera, please. Because Carmen Vitale is here. She not only covers the NFC North for Fox Sports and won a Super Bowl ring during her time with the Tampa Bay Bucket. Did you not bring it? No, I didn't. I can't. I can't travel with that thing. Are you kidding? I'm just kidding. It's huge. I never addressed for you. You did. Oh my God. Here I am. I'm coming up in kicks. You're just the cutest thing in the entire world. You're adorable. Wait. Hold on. You not only do that, but you are an audio tech because you just figure that out. I've got things behind me. And now we look perfect and now we can begin. All right. You covered the NFC North. How's it going for Fox? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. It's going for Fox. I mean, an exciting, crazy division right now. It is. I don't think anybody had that in their bingo card before the season because everybody was so wrapped up in the NFC West and all this other stuff. And they were like, ugh, it's going to be the Packers division. And now all of a sudden, it quite, it is the Vikings division, in fact, which is a lot of fun. But no, it's a historical division. It's the division you and I grew up in. I know. So it's kind of a dream come true to be able to talk about these teams for a little bit. Now I have some notes here to sort of in order because, you know, Aaron Rogers gave us this sound by everybody's trying to translate after his loss to the Jets. Let's take a listen. Based on how we played last two weeks, I think it's going to be in our best interest to simplify things for everybody, for the line, for the backs, for the receivers, especially with Coby's injury, just simplify some things and maybe that helped us get back on track. So I translated this yesterday and I said he's he's not calling his teammates slow, but he's saying, I mean, when you say you're an oversimplified, we're oversimplified, they're not grasping what he wants to do, but he doesn't really look that great this season yet either. He went on McAfee yesterday who joined our show today. He did. Just warming it up for Carmen Batali. And he said, you know, he gave some crazy like four-minute answer where you didn't really say anything and they just joked about the floor aren't on the same page. What did you make of that? So, I mean, first of all, that's what Aaron does, which is fun. Trying to decode all of these little things in the press conference as I sit in and all that other stuff. What I think he's saying here is though, get me more players because, listen, the time for simplification was early in the season before anybody had tape on you and you build on that as you go, but now you can't pull it back because the motion shifts all that window dressing. What that does is if you, and maybe then you can get guys to win their matchups that maybe shouldn't have won their matchups, by taking that away, you are telling, you need these guys to win outright and quite frankly, Green Bay doesn't have those guys that can win outright right now. So, I think what he's saying is, I need more players, especially, you know, Radle Cobb is now out, you're getting Sammy Walkins, he's eligible to return off of IR. So, maybe that'll help, but I mean, And Mari Rogers out there on offense, like, but nobody wants to see that, especially not Aaron Rogers, apparently. I don't think that Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs can't get there, but the reality is, they're just not there yet. And so, Erin is like, while they get there, give me someone, give me something. If only someone had foreseen that they might need some veteran, like, but he did, everyone did. So that's why, it's very annoying that we're sitting here in this dilemma in week seven. Yeah, right. No, exactly. That's why I said, like, yeah, you have a bright future with these young guys. Right. Cute. I was there in person, started against New England, like, Christian, great, Christian and Dobbs, great, Watson and Dobbs, rather. But, you know, you have to have somebody help him win now. Yeah. I say, throw the sink, go. If I see one more wide receiver trade, go on, and it's not on a plane to Green Bay, Wisconsin or Appleton, I'm not going to be happy about it. I feel like they will never go out and get a big market receiver. But, I mean, this year is like a really topsy-turvy year for all these guys. Vikings fans who are the most tortured fan base, according to me, are watching and saying, why are you even talking about the Packers? We're number one, because they are. We need to give them love. They're five and one, right? Two game cushion. Woof, woof, woof, woof, over those Packers in the north that you cover on Sunday. I mean, I'm not going to say that we told you that he would be the spark to get them going, but he hasn't been that spark. He has, and honestly, the biggest thing is not only the system, because this is a system that Kirk Cousins has been in for a while, that Shanahan, Sean McVeigh system, but what he's doing with it and the in-game adjustments he's been able to do, and actually, I brought you a couple plays, because, what? Yes, I brought you a couple plays, because it was weird on Sunday, where, I don't know if you know, the first down, there was not a first down to be had for Minnesota in the first quarter. Okay. Into the second. What they were doing, they were going with their base defense against Minnesota's 11 personnel. Minnesota lives in 11 personnel. Okay. So, now you've got the base defense going, and this completely threw them off. This was basically Miami saying, we have dudes up front, we're going to do that. So, then Kevin O'Connell, usually, defenses in the NFL play, they're match defenses. They will match with the offensive personnel does, and what personnel they have on the field. What Kevin O'Connell did in Sunday's game. Adjust, baby. He played match offense. Okay. And so he's like, alright, Miami's not getting out of their base formation. We're now going to go 21. We're going to add an extra back in the back field, and this is the second play where he does this. Okay, guys, it's a completion to Adam Thielen for a first down. This one again, you see the base formation by Miami. Now, you've got the full back in the back field, buys them time, boom, Justin Jefferson over the middle, another first down. This drive goes for a touchdown. Okay. Not only did he make the adjustment though, he kept with it, which is awesome. Like, he decided that this is like, Miami wasn't going to get out of this, so he was just going to keep running it down their throat. That's what happens. Look at this. I got 21 personnel, Miami's in their base formation, and boom. We're going to run the tape. There it is. So, you've got a couple different blocks, but with the extra back, my Daven Cook gets a hole. A very, what ends up being various, a very small hole has to be one guy and boom, 53 yards to the end zone. And that's three minutes to go in the fourth quarter. In the fourth quarter, it puts him up by two touchdowns. So, Kevin O'Connell, the flexibility and the adaptation that he can, that he brings to this system, it just takes it to another level. And Viking stands are loving it. Let us know at Up and Atom, show what you think now. Let's go to my, we have cocktails for this to talk about Chicago, where you and I are both from, some old styles. Should we get them allured? Yeah, we'll just chop them allured so we can set our hair on fire. How do you fix it? How do you fix it? You can do it all on Ryan Pace though, because he did not set up this franchise for success at all. And now, Ryan Poles is faced with a lot of work to do. So, the sexy, it's not a sexy answer, but it's time. Like they're going to need time and they have so much coming up this off season as far as draft capital goes, as far as cap space goes, but you can't, we're almost in built in a day, you can't revamp this entire, I mean, they had such a huge boost to it. We were going into this season and you were going to start the building blocks. Why are bears fans so unhinged? They're just so, they know it too though. I know they do, because they're so thirsty for a good team. I mean, this is such a good market, it's such a good football town, I live there, I love it, there's bears. It's never happened in our lifetime. No! You also have to have some self-awareness of what's going on. They got that went over the Niners and it was like, the worst thing to happen to the bears this season was that week one win because we went into this season thinking, okay, they're not going to be good, but we're going to get building blocks, but then they won a game to come out right out the gate and then now it's like, oh, maybe they can win games, maybe they can win eight, nine games. No! Yeah. That was not the deal this season. Speaking of unhinged, we'll talk about Tom Brady after this with Carmen Natali. We're going to eat some cookies too. Thank you for coming. Sorry for all that. Okay, welcome back to Up an Atom Show. Carmen Natali of Fox Sports is here in LA and people are probably wondering why there's a tray of cookies on the table. It is because the first time I ever met the brilliant Carmen, I was in Tampa Bay for a game I believe against the Titans. No, the Texans. It was the throwaway game at the Atom. And I was, you know, like punch drunk or something and I'm like shooting the cannon and then I met you and she runs up to me and you know, of course like I have a carry on bag and she goes, can you please give these to Matthew Hamilton? And I'm like, she baked this man cookies and I said, what is this? And then you expected me the least responsible person and the most careless person to deliver hand baked cookies for him. Did you not though? We made you a cookie mule. Is essentially what we made. That's how our friendship began because I said who likes Hamilton? I also made you cookies though and I made Kyle cookies. You did, but you're insane for that. And then there is these are Isabella's cookie companies. If you'd like one, have one, if you don't, you don't have to, but I'm absolutely going to try one of these bad boys, the vegan. Nope. That's not it for me. My girl. My girl. Don't wait. All right. We're going to play a game. It's called Trust Fall. We're going to give you some scenarios and you're going to have to this isn't going to be hard. You're going to have to pick between a couple of guys in this one. Okay. So here we go. Both of these things I know. And I think we'll do this is just a bad idea. What? Oh my God. This is a half baked segment. Oh my God. This is why you're a pro. All right. Tell me this. This is the first one. Do we have them in the back here? What's going on? Okay. Just put them in there now. Which guy do you trust more? Trust Fall wise to lead their team into the playoffs. That man or that man? Roger's a Brady. I got to go with Tom. Just, just because I know a while, you know, it's a nice place being with the Buccaneers for six years. But at the same time, he's got so much talent around him. We just talked about how Aaron Rodgers wants more talent. Tom Brady could not want for more talent, you know, at all between Chris Godwin, Mike Evans. You have a underutilized run game at this point. And then you've got a really great defense. That's a Todd Bowles defense. And so I just trust that they're going to figure it out. Something's wrong with him. He's not, he's not himself. He's not the same. But it's again, Tom, you know everybody around the team. Don't, come on. What's the word on the Buccaneer street? No, I mean, listen, there's a sense of urgency for him to win this year because of everything he has going on, you know, outside, whatever it is, I don't know what it is. And it's not my story to tell either. But he, it's, it's, this is it. Like he came out of retirement. He outfields stuff creeping in. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. But I have to have faith that this, this coaching staff, the talent around him can pick him up if he's at all faltering. Which I don't, I mean, he's not. It's Tom Brady. They, they add a good, they add a good receiver. I pick him. What are they going to do it? There you go. There's my, I have no trust that Goody's going to bring in a wide receiver. I tell you that. I'm going to go to the road. All right. That was like a four out of 10. All right. Both New York teams are hot, Carmen. I used to live there. Which head coach do you trust more to maintain their early season? I don't know. Luck isn't the word. Success. Success. Yeah. No. I mean, I think we're still both trying to figure out what, or with both these teams, are they for real? Yeah. And I don't, I don't know what does that look like. Yeah. I think it looks like obviously going into the front of his offensive coordinator who is Mike Kafka Northwest Wildcats own so go cats because I just have faith in a Northwestern man. We, yeah, I'm, table is amazing. All right. Jess, so we wish you good luck. You're an expert on you, you consider yourself, you fancy yourself a trench queen. Which O-line do you trust more and forth and one bills eagles? Got to go with the eagles first of all, some offensive skill players just pushing Jalen Hurts into the end zone on fourth and one. Like, I don't know how it's legal, but I like it. Okay. We love it, so we're gonna go with the Eagles who still, yeah, and I hope he's okay, Lane Johnson. He came on our show the day after the win, but then he was, what says he's banged up, right? Yeah, yeah, I think he was being evaluated for a concussion. Concussion? Yeah. Well, our Eagles experts screaming, concussion! Concussion! I got to have some really good conversations with him at O-Line Masterminds this summer. He's awesome. This one's better, whatever this one is. Okay, the game's on the line, and you get one last shot at the end zone from the eight yard line random. Who do you trust more to drop the right play? Shaw McBayer, Andy Reed. I mean, this season, don't I have to go with Andy Reed? He lost an offensive cheat code in Tyreek Hill, and you've got a top five offense still there, and I think they have one of the best red zone conversion percentages in the league at this point. I think they're second. So I have to go with my guy, Andy. He's just been doing it for so long. What's wrong with this squad? I don't know. Offensive line, right? Honestly, I point to that all the time, and I feel like a broken record, because we were like, why isn't this offense clicking? I'm like, I literally, the first thing I look at is an offensive line. And if that's struggling, big wit. Do you think he'll come back? I don't know. I mean, I think once you make that decision... You were spotted at the game. Okay, so people were saying like, Sean Payton was at the Chargers game, right? And you were spotted in a, there's a difference between like, you go to the game low key, you sit in a suite, and there's a difference between like, you're on the field with your family. And, but where it took his whole, they were walking around the field, they were doing a little, I'm like, hmm. And he does the wee thing with them when he comes out and we came up with Sean. Like, Lashaw McCoy still does the wee thing, and he has, with the Philadelphia Eagles, and he has the middle Lashaw. Shout out to Shady. Shout out to Shady. Shady, we love you. He deserves it. Absolutely. He's an all time leading Russian in that franchise. Last one, this is the most important one. We want to get in front of the stage at the Harry Styles concert. There are boas, there are children, there's all these moms who are more in love with Harry Styles than their children. You need somebody to clear the way for you. Vita, Vaya, or Aaron Donald? I mean, I saw Aaron Donald in those joint practices. But that being said, I gotta go with my guy Vita, because Vita's actually taller and bigger than Aaron is. So I feel like not only could he clear the way, but then I could like sit on his shoulders and then see the stage even better. He is so angry. He goes from zero to a million in anger right away. It is really impressive. It is. Susie crossed over on the field because then when he gets to the sideline or when he gets off the field, he is like the goofiest. We shot gun Gatorade cans at training camp this year. He's just absolutely goofy. Him and Jensen, I would just like. Oh yeah. If I was at training camp, I would just like, I don't know. They've had some battles, but I mean, they love each other. Carmine Vitali, I think is gonna stay for a less segment because we have to take a break here on the Up and Adams show. I ate about three different cookies. And we'll be back. Thanks for coming in. Good cookie. Queen Cookie Maker. And we have to bring in Matt Hamilton. Matt Hamilton, our new family member. Oh my gosh. Hi, guys. Hey, Carmen. I just want to take my time on the show today to apologize. Not only did it take me three years to pay you back for the cookies, but apparently the ones that we give you are only a four out of 10. So that's on me. You guys, you were promising me cookies from some like New York bakery back in the day. Wow. We'll get them to you. We'll get them to you. What is this cookie? What happens here? What is going on? Hey, do you agree with that? Quickly, do you agree with the Vikings? Do you agree with the O'Connell adjustments being like the main thing? Yeah, and I think that's something we didn't see from that offense last season was Mike Zimmer making those adjustments as games went on. And Kevin O'Connell just has brought a new juice to this offense with his ability to adjust. Are the cookies responsible for making him look like he's 12 years old still? Are they like eternal youth cookies? Like why? Are they the JLo vampire cookie? Because Hamilton, you literally look like you're 15 years old. He's got a beard. Carmen Michele, you might come back tomorrow because she's here all week and she made a mistake of telling me, goodbye everybody, enjoy your day. And thanks for having me.