 Roedd ragau ddoedd ein cywir yn cyfanio'r Ffil Ddoe wedi ddesigodd gwrth gwrthul iawn. Fy ddweud cyffirwyr yno, rei'r cyfulaidd ei codedd y cyffredinig fyddion ymgyrgynogiadol i'r 2023 o'r fieicio gennyddiadol ni, fydd y bactaid yng Nghymru newid ei unrhyw i niadweithio'r Gwfnol Rhyfod Llywodraeth, Ngys yn Ywe Keath, ac yn ddıod ar hyn. Ond y dyma'r dystiadau'r gyflawn y Prif Weinidig maes ddag y Llywodraeth, Arhaig iawn i Llywodraeth, rhaid i ddweud ychydig i ddweud ymlog yn dysgu â'r wyf yn gwneud ar gyfer. Ynweud i ddim yn cyfnod y ddweud o'r ddechrau'r hunain yng ngyfnodd, y gallwn cynllun diningudio a'r ddweud i ddweud i ddweud ymlaen arall yng nghymru yn ynghylch i ddweud ynghylch i ddweud yr Y senedol yw yw'r gweithiór. that the supporters of Governor's Week had decided that they were going to withdraw from the campaign council of the presidential candidate of your party. And, of course, Governor's Week had a media parley on Friday, which we all watched, and he made some very interesting statements. But then the big question is, if your supporters or the people on the Governor's Week side decide to not support your presidential candidates, Dyna ddweud ein os yw'r Ypwg Ddweud? Meria, rai'n gwneud ymlaen, Cyngorol, Nygineg i fynd i gael ymddangos chi ymddangos. Mae'r ysgrifennu ymddech chi'n aelodau. Ymddangos chi, mae'r ysgrifennu? Ymddech chi nowe ymddangos chi? Ysgrifennu'n ddweud chi ddim yn rhan. to the presidential candidate and members of his campaign organization. You recall that the presidential candidate said he was taking her back to hear that other members of the campaign, other members of the wiki camp as it were that were named in the campaign organization we drew, that every state made nominations into the campaign organization and saved for reverse states, which means reverse states has already been hysterics as one state where it doesn't matter whether or not they are in the campaigns. So we are not surprised at what is going on but we still maintain that on the demands of the wiki camp which is the most realistic demand that will help us to win the elections in 2023 because we still believe that every part of this country must move together especially when the presidential candidate is referred to as a unifier. So we want to start to unify now before we win so that we know what we are into. So that is exactly the point and we maintain that. You know in your introductory remark you did say that the embattled governor of reverse states. I don't think that is very charitable. The governor of reverse states is not embattled. Can never be embattled. So what we are saying is that we are making our demands known you know as sound learners. We are saying that forget what has happened. You recall that these sound learners had met in Asaba and Lagos. In fact incidentally the vice presidential candidate of former vice presidential Tigu Avobaka hosted their sub-member meeting where all of them agreed that they were going to have a southern president. But someone else will have them like I always say. But this position is still, it hasn't changed, that you must go. And the chairman of southern extraction will come on board so that all of us will be in the campaign. And this is made, this becomes imperative because of the nepotheic tendencies we have seen in the Gwalea administration. So we don't want to make any mistakes this time. Okay. Southern Asma sit on the table. Okay. I'm curious because you said something. I just want to take you back to that before I go to Frank. You said something about the fact that it's the most realistic thing to do to win the election. So you're saying that with the chairman that you have now that the PDP is not capable of winning the elections? I mean I'm trying to understand. Merian, it is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf that a cross-session of the country are saying that they are not part of the election. And even to the chagrin of the former vice-president Tigu Avobaka, who is, incidentally, is our candidate of the party, has also said that he was taking aback to see that all the others who made representations resigned. And Merian, it's important to tell you that it is not just Governor Wiki that is in this camp. There are other sitting Governors, Governors of States, former Governors who are leaders of their states, leaders of the party in their states, former Senators, former ministers and what have you. So I don't think it is something anybody, any serious politician should joke with. But I'm happy to hear you say that the candidate has assured that these problems will be resolved in less than no time. So the vote is actually in this course and we have no doubt in our mind that he will do the needful. Let me come to you, Frank. This conversation has been ongoing for weeks and weeks. I've had you here in the studio in person to talk about this situation when it started at the beginning. But here we are again now, it's full blown. Owing to what the Chairman of the Moha has said that without IU, the PDP can win the elections. I'd like to hear your thoughts. Is IU such a problem to the PDP as he speaks? I think you need to unmute yourself. Can you hear me, Merian? Yes, I can. Can you hear me? Yes, I can. Go ahead, please. Hello. I can hear you. Okay, beautiful. Yeah, beautiful. Your question is clear. For me, the demands of Governor Wiki and his team, and members of his team, are legitimate, genuine and germane. It is within their rights, but it is not within the powers of the presidential candidates to remove IU. And that he has stated in clear terms before now. But are not we standing, you know, at certain times and times with a number, that the election to the office of the president or to any office for that matter, that power belongs to God Almighty and not for, it does not belong to any man, not even those, not even Bola Medinibu who claims to be the maker of President Muammar Buhari can lay claim to the fact that he owns power and he can give power. You know, and I thought I would not de-e-tify or I would not be a part of any, anybody who would want to go out to go into the what I call the de-e-tification of any human being. You know, the bottom line is the fact that the presidential candidates excellence article worker has deep respect for his excellency, Governor Newsom Wiki. And that's why I said, look, the demands of his team are legitimate. But that not we standing with profound respect and utmost humility. I'll tell you that even de-e-tys, even de-e-tys can be pacified. People who pacify de-e-tys, some of them, some the poor libations of them, some they take a google or kai-kai to them and some take a gula-nut in order to pacify de-e-tys. For these, in whatever, in one thing like these agitations, I remember listening to Governor Newsom Wiki a few days ago when he did a national broadcast. And I was excited when he, when in his own, in his own lives, he talked about he compared the Kamala Harris, the current vice president of the United States of America to himself, particularly as he relates to the, to her nomination as vice presidential candidate, to Joe Biden, the current president of the USA before that election, and how she was one of the major critics of Joe Biden before that election and in the, in the kidney contested primary election as it went. And I was very excited. I was excited because, you know, that was a very suitable and wonderful comparison, you know, and I know at that point I now had to draw a line and I looked at it and I placed it on the scale of that and I said, look, come on, assuming Governor Newsom Wiki was, in fact, were appointed or nominated as vice presidential candidate, a running mate to His Excellency Articula Bwbacar, would this agitation, particularly as he relates to the southern part of Nigeria, would lead, would be where we are today concerning this agitation, I want to believe the answer is in the negative because he made it a case where he was making that national broadcast. And I looked at it on an another scale and I said, come on, if you're talking of southern Nigeria because in one breath he mentioned that particular situation and liking himself to Kamala Harris of the USA. And in another breath when he was mentioning, you know, positions within the PDP that had been allocated, particularly as he relates to the national chairman, as he relates to those who take decisions within the party, that it's about the national chairman, the candidate and the director general of the campaign organisation. And I said, no, His Excellency suddenly forgot to mention the office of the vice presidential candidate or the running mate to the presidential candidate and of his, his thought to, whether he thought to or his supporters wanted him to or the candidates, a thought of him occupying such a position because three names were shortlisted before if an outpick was made. And for me, if he could like himself to Kamala Harris, I expect that he should have mentioned that office particularly and given it the value and reverence with which he mentioned the DG of the campaign and all that, not forgetting to that the current vice presidential candidate is from the southern part of Nigeria. So you don't diminish that office because you want to score a political point. The issue is that the beautiful thing I'm excited about is that a majority of his friends and associates, you know, who are members of his team and who are leading this agitation, particularly have only left what I call the bedroom to the city room. They have not left the house. So we is still one political party, one big family. And I believe like the presidential candidate said, His Excellency has to come back home. This is a situation we have on our hands that is redeemable. And I'm sure that in no time it will be tidied up and will move on as one big family. For us, nobody, nobody has ever and will ever demean reverse states as the states. Neither will we or anybody close to associated with or who works with His Excellency article demean or say anything or cast as fashions on His Excellency Govner, years of working. He's our own, he's a post up, one of the post up boys of the of the PDP as a political party and he has done very well in the state in terms of developmental strides and in terms of a conscious mobilisation of these people, particularly in, in chasing away the do not in APC government in reverse state as well as in Nigeria. He's been a leading voice in terms of not just criticism, but one of the voices who's offered, who's offered solution, you know, in terms of leadership opportunities that if I were president, this is what I would have done to tackle this and tackle that. I'll give you an example. Today, as we speak, there's a collapse of the national grid. Total collapse of the national grid. This is for the eighth time. The eighth time we're talking of the collapse of the national grid. And for us, this, that should be something that should bother us as a people. I'm worried that people will be able to say. The 30 times you don't remember that look, the moment in his first part of call will be to start what we call an emergency power programme, you know, which will be, you know, in the short time and move into what we call the total removal of what we call electricity value chain, you know, from the exclusive list, you know, by mobilising a team, a conscious team, you know, that would draft that form of that kind of legislation and I thank God the honourable chairman who is a former legislator and a former majority leader in reverse state, you know, knows what we're talking about as it relates to, you know, the evolution of powers. I want to bring you back. I want to bring you back. I'm sorry you're taking us away from the conversation. I want to bring you back. Mary Jane, Mary Jane, if only you allow me to round off, then you can bring me back, you know. So if we remove that, if we remove that from the exclusive list and we give state the power to generate, transmit and distribute electricity, you know, at that point, which will be our second point, which will be like a mid-term programme, you will now finally move into what we call the incentivisation of the private investors, you know, to invest in the development of the greenfield and mini-grid transmission systems, which we can now, you know, which can now be looked into what we call the super-great in the national department. All right. We're veering off and I want to bring you back. Mr Shaibu, I'm sorry you're veering off. We're not talking about energy. We're not talking about the five points agenda, ten points agenda of the Attica administration. We're talking about how to deal with the party's situation now. I want to ask a very direct question. I hear that we have had reports that you're going ahead with the campaign, the campaign of Attica Buboka. Of course, we know that next week the ban will be lifted and campaigns will begin in earnest. But my question is, if the southern caucus, I'd rather not say gopno wiki, the southern caucus is saying we're not going to move a muscle until this is done. We will not participate in this campaign until this is done. Will you risk going ahead with that campaign without the southern caucus? Because we always make it look like it's gopno wiki. It's the river state. But then we also have a gopno, Shea McIndy. We have chief body judge who's a senior chief team in the party and we have several other people from other parts of the southern caucus. So again, can your party risk starting a campaign without mending these fences? Again, like I said, we have a few days before campaigns begin in earnest. Yeah, Mary Jane, the truth is this, whether we like it or not, Annex is the umpire, the umpire's umpire in this. And when you say that nook did talk about power has no bearing on what we're talking about, that is fallacious. And a bit of a question of zero consequence because I put it to you that Attico does not want to be president of the PDP. He wants to be president of Nigeria. So when we're talking about the national problem, something happened today, I'm sure where you are now, we are running on the generating plant. So it is about Nigeria. So he is not aspiring to be president of the PDP. So you cannot, you cannot divorce that from whatever is happening in the PDP. So I have to refer to that because he wants to be president of Nigeria and we are prepared to lead the to lead the charge. So as we speak, it is not about risking going ahead with the campaign. Campaigns official should flag off on the 28th. And if it is to flag off, why are there things that are going on, what are the negotiations, consultations, discussions, peace moves are going on? Of course, you don't expect Attico, Avobakar, and the PDP campaign structure to fold his hands and arms and limbs and sit on one spot because reconciliation is ongoing. It is not done anywhere. You understand me? Sometimes you tactically withdraw so that you can strategically advance. So it's a matter of strategy and I know that all machinery have been put in place and I'm sure and I'm confident. And don't forget to Governor Newsom Wiki gave a window that look, it is not, he has not foreclosed this discussion. He has, he does it open himself and his team and all that. And we mentioned when you are not the spokesman, Mary Jane, you're not the spokesman for Governor Wiki. When you say, oh, it's not about Governor Wiki, it's about the Southern Cockles. No, no, no, no, we perform respect. He is the leading boy. It is not about Governor Wiki that this is a Southern Cockles situation. So I'm telling you what I have heard from these conversations that I've had. I'm not a member of the PDP, but I'm telling you that every time we have this conversation, they say it's not about Wiki, it's a Southern Cockles situation, and these are the people who are agitating. Hence my question. I'm not a spokesperson for them. And that was why, no, that was why when I started, I started by letting you know that even the vice-presidential candidate of the PDP is from Southern Nigeria. He is from Nigel data. You understand that there is nobody who can claim, who can let claim to be more Southern than than than Dr Ifan Yokoa. So he is from the Nigel data. He is from the South South. He is from Southern Nigeria. And you see, the demands we're talking about, oh, are you must go? Of course. It is, like I said earlier, it's legitimate. But the issue is this, how would you go? Profile solutions. It is not about making conjectures. It's saying, listen, it's not about sitting down to make conjectures and dramatising how you must go. This is the position of the South South. No. Maria, I guess I didn't come from Southern Nigeria. I think I want to give Dr Lloyd a chance to speak because I see him itching and he has to respond to this. I wasn't invited to merely listening to my brother, Frank's lecture on power devolution. The subject matter here is whether the article camp can afford to go into the campaigns without the Southern caucus. Neither are we here, neither are we here, neither are we here to listen to postulations. This is not a lecture theatre. We are here to conceptualise ideas. And as such, this is not a media trial. If we're having a conversation we should do in the most decoros manner. So when I'm talking about power devolution, I'm talking about the emergency. There was an emergency today and it's about Nigeria. I think it doesn't want to be president of the PDP. It wants to be president of Nigeria. So if I tackle an area, the issue of power devolution, you are a member of the PDP. You used to be a member of Ysgwyshaibu. Am I protected? Can you allow him to just come in here? I think he has a few thoughts to share. Go ahead. I want to quickly correct an impression when my brother Frank Shwaibu was talking. It's important that when we speak, we speak within a contest. The request he made to Governor Wink's interview about Cabela Harris and Joe Biden was said within a milieu. It was said within a milieu. It was said within a contest. So it is not charitable to advise that and say it outside the contest in which the Governor of Riverside used that. However, we are not reviewing the interview that the media chat that the very revered Governor of Riverside had a few days ago. What is important is that Frank would make you want to believe it is not about Governor Wike. When I started my intro, I did say that you have Governor Seyma Kinde, Governor Samuel Otham, not as you can see on your screen there. The Governor of Riverside did say in his media interview that there are a host of others whom they have told not to speak yet. So it pertains a lot of danger for the People's Democratic Party. I want to say this. When my brother Shwaibu talked about... What's on your mind here? Are you making reference to it? When you say it pertains a lot of danger, what kind of danger? It pertains to a lot of danger. This is an election that is up for grabs for the PDP, but for these internal issues that we have. My brother feeling talked about, Frank Radder talked about how are you will go. Are you himself has made it very easy? Some members of the National Working Committee are asking after a particular nine billion. There are raising issues about a particular nine billion Naira that is missing from the conference of the party. Governor Wike had also thrown a challenge that Senator Iyotraiu received one billion Naira from a presidential candidate in Lagos, and that amount to that money was not paid into the conference of the PDP. And between that day and up until now that we are speaking, Senator Iyotraiu have not made any report on the association of the governor of reverse date. The governor of reverse date also went ahead to say, should you speak? Should you speak on this? He will name those who gave him the money. So the window is clear, but I use on showing it is very easy now to remove him on the grounds of corruption. So I thought I should share that with my brother Shwaimi. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Honourable Chairman, Dr Chidi Lloyd. And also recall that the chairman of the PDP in Kano had also come out to address the press to say that he was in a meeting where Iyotraiu said if the presidential candidate comes from the north, he will resign his office. So this back and forth is not doing us any good. By now we should have been concentrating on how to kickstart the campaigns, on how to sell this product to Nigerians. And I do not think that even Frank himself would want to say to her with reverse date, with over 2 3.5 million votes. Dr Chidi, I have never, if you know I had this discussion with you in a system television or system station. This is not you. This is a new you. And I'm happy. It means we are making progress. Dr Chidi, you know through and through that I am not just a spokesman to His Excellency Artigwa Mubaka. I'm a friend of reverse dates. I know reverse dates very well. And I love reverse dates very well. His Excellency knows that I hold him in high esteem. And I'm not sure. And I make no pretensions about this. But interestingly, it is about the party. It is about the people. His Excellency is one man who is paying particularly. Even before the flag opening of the presidential election Dov Nonesum wiki has been one of the leading voices in that criticism of the current administration on the tears, on the debt and on the kind of hunger that has pervaded our country. So it is not, it is not, it is to be completely out of place. You understand. So anyone to say look to hell with reverse dates. Not even His Excellency at Aladji Artigwa Mubaka. You know, but with profound respect, I tell you something. If it is about the people, if it is about the PDP, if it is about the chairman of the party, Dr Iotayu, you know, interestingly, I'm not aware. I don't work in the PDP. I don't speak for Iotayu. I'm not aware of any allegation of nine billion missing from the coffers. I'm not the treasurer of the PDP. I'm not the national, whatever, the PDP. But the issue is, I remember listening to His Excellency a few days ago when he talked about a billionaire which he just reiterated here, you know, which extend hands, of course, but you see, as far as I'm concerned, His Excellency has been a lawyer and you too, you know, at least to the girl of God, I know your debts are your background. You know, you should note to that for someone of the office of the governor, you know, making reference to some delicate issues without clear evidence, particularly when he's a lawyer and not, you know, not making, you know, straight direct statement to say, look, Mr ABC gave you this morning and have evidence. It's a different thing. But for me, when they are placed, when they are based on this, you know, at a level, at a level it will become difficult for anybody to deal. Now, let me say this to you. The governor of Riverside didn't say it was hearsay. He said, challenge me and I tell you those businessmen that put the money together. It has left the poor view of hearsay. I want to think that the governor has come to make this kind of assertion on the character and person of Senator Yotra. I would, if I were him, but God forbid, I would have asked for further explanations from the governor of Riverside. But see that as it may, that I want to inform you that we have read on this paper that a certain 9 billion naira is not being accounted for. And that some members of the NWC have been offered 280 million each in order to sweep that on the campaign. And that the visit of the vice presidential candidate to the House of Senator Abubakar Seraki is not unconnected with that issue that has come up that is presently rocking the end of this week. I know you are not in part of the PDP, but some of us have people who work in the PDP National Secretary. So I'm telling you this information. We have to go, gentlemen. I'm sorry. We have to go. We have to go. Chili Lloyd is the chairman of our local government area, Riverside State, and of course Frank Shrib who is a special assistant public communications to Attico Abubakar, who is the presidential candidate of the People's Democratic Party. Gentlemen, we will have this conversation again. Unfortunately, time is not on our side. Thank you so much for being here. Mary Ann, it's always a pleasure talking with you. Thank you very much. Mary Ann, we'll see you on the other side of the debate on May 29 when Attico is calling us president. Well, no campaigns haven't started. Neither has the election taken place, but good luck. We have to go. We have to go, gentlemen. We have to go. Thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break. When we return, we'll be discussing the agitations against the APC's Muslim Muslim ticket and the terms that it has taken. We'll be right back.