 All right, thanks for staying with us now. Who is an electorate? Referencing the publication from the Guardian, the class of Nigerians called the electorate is the most difficult and critical to the Nigerian democratic experiment. You wonder why they, rather you wonder who they are. The electorate are the Nigerians who are eligible to cast votes in each successive general elections. They are presumably those citizens of Nigeria that have satisfied the constitutional requirements of competence to vote and have represented themselves for registration, presented themselves for registration as potential voters. What this implies is that regardless of their competence to vote, constitutionally where the eligible voters fail, neglect and refuse to register to vote, they will be unable to exercise any franchise. It's happening already and the 2023 general elections will be contested by different characters, like you want to call them. Some of the aspirants are driven by delusions of sainthood and an inflamed ego while some might have good intentions or are still watching them. So today we're asking how can we educate the people that would elect these people to office, to look beyond precedency and ahead of the 2023 elections. Now, please let us hear what you have say. Remember, you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663. You can also tweet at us at Weishaw after one with the hashtag Weishaw. So Uti, I want to bring in Delay in a minute, but I just wanted to say to you that I am so guilty of this, right? Prior to recent time, maybe 2019 and all of that, my ideology of voting is that if a particular party is the candidate and voting for precedency, I just go across. Board for both, not caring and funny things that maybe it's just this particular season where I know a few of the House of Rep members, the Senate member that are going for Senate and all of that, I am even paying attention. I am very guilty. And this is supposed to have made me that I'm supposed to be discussing issues that cause harm to the nation. So you cannot imagine the number of people that don't even bother who their House of Representatives would be, who their Senators would be, who their House of Assembly member would be, who their Counselors would be, nobody just cares. So once you are supporting a particular party, what the usual thing to do is just carry your thumb, go across board, just wherever you see that party, you just go. And this has been the system because we are trying to see how we can move this nation forward. And we have to be very strategic about the right people putting them in those places that have critical roles to play in decision and policy making, that they can change policies that eventually would transform the Nigeria that we are hoping to transform. But what are your thoughts on this? What's your experience like for voting? Well, I have to agree with you. And I don't think that it's a case of some, I think it's a case of all. But for me, I like to look at the foundation. I think you've gotten to the point now where something has to get, something must change, which is why you're paying attention. Previously, what mattered was presidency, governors and the party, that's what mattered. But as people, as the situation has worsened, keeps worsening, it's come to a head. And people are like, look, we want change, we want change, we want things to be different. But for me, the key focus there for me has been the issue of accountability. Where we've always said, the country is getting worse, the country is getting worse. Everything is either pointing at the office of the president or it's pointing at the state governors. Nobody really cares about anything else. When we talk about things going bad, nobody's talking about your local government chairman. Nobody's talking about your senators. Nobody's talking about your House of Reps. They come up in different parts of the conversation, but the way the entire picture fits together and what each person's responsibility has never come into the consciousness of, in my opinion, has never come into the consciousness of the average man. When we think about elections, what we think is president, what we think is governors, which is why when we have elections, you see that in some areas, nobody comes out because, and then people start saying things like, oh, we didn't know there was an election. So even at the height of this, we all are waiting for 2023, we all want to see what's happening. Elections happened a few months ago. Nobody came out. People said they weren't aware. So clearly, we're still at that point. Even the ones that happened in Lagos. Exactly. We're not at that point yet where people are even on fire to say, you know what? And this is the time, maybe sadly, maybe even a bit too late now because the candidates are all picking up, you know, it's been a show in the media for the last few weeks, picking up their forms. Everybody's making this big fuss. But the fact is that even you as the electorate, if you're not part of a party, you're not even part of this process of selecting who the eventual candidate will be. So that in itself is- Oh, and it's even another issue. It's the higher level of understanding because if you are given limited choices and you say you want change, but you were not part of the choice process and you are then presented with, for lack of a better word, the devil and the deep blue sea. Well, I don't see how you're gonna get much change from that. Absolutely. On that note, Dele Farotimi is a lawyer, author and member of the Citizens' Rally Against Oppression. He served as president of the Student Union at Lagos State University, Lassu, between 1994 and 1995 and was called to Nigerian Bar in 1999. He established the Dele Farotimi and Co. in 2002, a full service law firm, which is known as the name DF Legal. He remained in active legal practice until his retirement in 2018 at the age of 50. He's a political commentator and author of the book Do Not Die in Their War. Dele Farotimi is very passionate about the birth of a new Nigeria and there is no better guest to be having this conversation with than himself and his joiners live via Zoom. Thank you so much, Dele Farotimi, for joining us tonight. Thank you very much for having me. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you. Thank you. So Dele, so you heard our banter on this conversation because this is something that I am very guilty of. I can't lie. Even up until the last election that I voted in until my PVC got stolen in 2015 election, even up until 2015 election, I was very guilty of this. I was not paying attention. All I was just focused on are the executives, you know, the what's called presidency and governor and that's it. You know, so it was just anybody I vote there whoever is representing your party. I was not paying attention to the individuals and we've seen it time and time again because you are an advocate for someone, I mean, for policy changes, for a lot of things that would eventually reform, you know, the system that eventually burst this new Nigeria that we're praying for, right? So how do we even start this conversation when we say we want to look beyond the 2023 elections, right? I mean, presidency rather, again, around this 2023 elections that is just around the corner. How do we even start this conversation, educating the electorate what is important and what they should really, really focus their energy on? Let me say this to you. I'm always happy to come on your show for one key reason. You think ahead. Even though you started with all these, your bands and everything, they can light up with, but deep inside, there are some deep issues that you treat. And this is one of them. I was advising some people a couple of days back and I said to them that in order to understand Nigeria sufficiently, you must maintain a degree of insanity that allows you to compartmentalize the issues and then deal with them in their separate compartments. Yeah. The problem with us is that we have most, I'm sorry for the people inside us, Neppa doing his thing, welcome to my country. No, it's fine. We take issues and then we look at the whole forest without seeing the trees. So we keep thinking precedency. When they are selling you change, they will be talking precedency. But the error we have made for so long, which you admitted earlier on, is that we have ignored the individual trees that have made up the evil forest called Nigeria. When we are dealing with a situation where governors are ignored and they too blame the failure, they have failures, they blame it on the precedence. And then the people in the state houses of assemblies are ignored and then they blame the failure on the precedency. But you notice that the same good denominating factor is common to all is that wherever you go across Nigeria, the ruling class has become richer even as the people have descended into penury. So what we were discussing a few days ago was that it is time that we localize these elections. If the Abuja monster is too far to touch, the one in your state capital is not too far away. The one representing you in the state houses of assembly is not too far away. Absolutely. In nature's part, there are several people who are walking towards ensuring that in the coming election, we are able to disproportionately and objectively examine the candidates who are running for house of assembly, those who are running for house of reps running in the Senate, those who will be running for governors is not enough to be talking about the angel that will take over our sub-rock. We must make sure that that angel that is taking over our sub-rock with his brilliant plan has people who are taking over state houses of assemblies who are taking over state governor's houses. It cannot be business as usual. Absolutely. You see, that's why I say you get ahead of yourself with some of the topics that you deal with. You speak and we are speaking as though there will be an election in 2023 because we live in the purple of Lagos. And yet, you dare not drive more than 50 kilometers outside the city perimeter. Whichever city in Nigeria you might be living in, you cannot drive 50 kilometers outside the city limit without being afraid that you might either be kidnapped for ransom or killed by one non-state agent or the other. And yet, we are planning an election in less than a year. But if we do come to that bridge, we must understand that until we localize all of these elections, those who have been ruling in your state, what are their records? What have they done before? Those who are asking to look you now, what are their records? What are they offering you? There is a complete failure of governance and everything cannot be blamed on the federal government. It's very easy. Okay, look at, it's painful, but I live in Lagos and I have no choice but to talk about where I live. It is impossible for the hegemony in Lagos State, for instance, to blame a federal government. It has had effective control of this state for 23 years. So it is time that we now begin to look. So what is its record in education? What is the record in healthcare delivery? What is the record in road infrastructure? What is the record in transparency? What is the record of service delivery to the people? What are the returns on the investments? These are questions that must be asked and it cannot be lost in the noise of somebody who wants to be president or not. It is enough that the system demands a radical overhaul. But that radical overhaul will not happen simply because you have an angel as the president. It is imperative that you must be voting to a plan and it cannot be only for the president. Even if you have an angel for president and the people in the House of Rebs are nasty, the same ones that are there now where they are offering mic in the National Assembly. Nothing is going to change. They will just be offering mic. If they are not offering mic, they will be excited enough, is enough. Something will happen. People will be fainting inside the National Assembly. And what has happened? So on them to cram it all, there will still be the same people who are able to pardon the talking ones that might be convicted for their crimes. So if we truly desire change, you can't be looking to the presidency alone. We must localize these elections. You see that in your state and you are blaming the full army that is in Sokoto. Meanwhile, the full army is in Sokoto. Your state governor who speaks your language with your own brother, your state House of Assembly members, your council chairmen, their councilors, all of these people who live with you. But you are talking about the one that is far away in Sokoto that is even suffering as much as you. These are the questions that we need to be asking of ourselves as we are approaching 2023. It cannot be business as usual. We must localize all the elections. We can't just be talking about the presidency alone. Who is going to all the other offices? It's the issues that must be done. Absolutely. So I mean, when we have conversations like this, I struggle to think about the options that we're given. Because that's really what it is. When you go to vote, you're not voting from the entire 200 million people in Nigeria. You're voting from a limited pool. How do we start to even ensure? Because in all the stories that we've been seeing in the press and the media so far, everybody picking up the forms is still the same set of names. So even if we say today that we're interested and we need to look beyond those two offices, right? How do we even start to get the right people to the form if we say we truly want change? Because if I get there and I say, okay, I've expanded my knowledge beyond the executive and I'm looking at all these other arms of government. Really, what choices do I have? How can we improve that process? What I'll say is this. You know, I said earlier on that who has this, you ladies generally have this capacity to jump the gun. We go a little further than others at this course. And right now, everybody is talking about the different people declaring their intentions. But you ladies have gone beyond that already. You're already talking about the localization of the election. That is actually about three steps ahead of where we are right now. The way we have sought to conceptualize this talk, which is why I spoke to the compartmentalization of the issues. We've seen this as, okay, at this stage, we're talking to people about registering to vote. The next stage would be pressurize INEC to ensure that it does its own part to deliver the voters' hearts. The third state was meant to be okay. School parties by now would have completed their primary processes and would have clearer pictures of who the candidates are. Now, understand this. We most of necessity look beyond the two that have identified themselves as being grossly incompetent and unfit to govern. And that is both APC and the PDP, which are one and the same. In my opinion, there would, of course, be outliers amongst them who might think that they can change the system by joining those parties. If we are indeed registered to vote as we are hoping that people have done, our voices will be sufficient to influence. Because let me give you an example. Last election, you had about 27 million people voting in the presidency. That's in spite of the odd-disease voting and inflation of votes and everything. And yet, this is a country where you ostensibly have close to 90 million registered voters, as of that time. So we're thinking, even if we can only double the number of people who goes to the poll in the coming election, it simply means that there is a decisive voice coming to the poll. Now, that decisive voice lends strength to younger elements who are in smaller parties who have good ideas, but do not have the finances to compete with these monsters. And it also gives strength to the outliers who might be in the stealing machines, but who have good intentions. The intention of our own coalition is to look at candidates across both, across states, across local government areas. We will, where possible, QBI parties and candidates and campaign for them based on our conviction as to their capacity to deliver. However, there are no vote runs anywhere. Nigerians must understand that the changes required are systemic in nature. No matter who the man is that we might be voting, it must be that we have made those decisions on the basis of the ideas and the issues represented by those men, not the parties. Unless the party platform offers a basis for conviction that they will do as they have said because they are funded by men of honor, not those who say they will restructure with one breath. And the next moment they'll be telling you they don't even know the meaning of the word restructuring. So, since we are speaking hypothetically to the possibility of an election in 2023, I would say that the critical point is that we are at an inflection point in Nigeria. There is a unique opportunity because certain forces are aligning that we are never able to be aligned. And if this continues, we will have a unique opportunity to make a perhaps intent in the armor of this horrible system, but we must be clear as to what we want. Even if they made an angel, the president and every other office occupied by these same people. Well, it's the same thing. You just get a worse, maybe perhaps a more articulate, more intelligent version of Guari, but that's the best you get in 2023. If you are not careful. Absolutely. You know what? Let's take a break. When we come back from the very, very quick break, we'll continue the conversation. Stay with us. We'll be right back. Now, if you just tuned in, we are having an amazing conversation. We're discussing the electorate and we're asking, can we as the electorate look beyond precedency ahead of this 2023 elections? And we have with us daily fire to me. Now, please let us hear what you have to remember. You can join the conversation. Send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 0803-484-663. You can also tweet at us at weishoafqa1 with the hashtag weisho. Uti, you had a question? Yeah, so no, I even wanted to take this comment because it was sort of in line with what Dili just said. It says, great ladies at Waze, the narrative is going to change in the next elections. A lot of people are going to vote for individuals, not parties. Politics is beyond social media discourse. It's a game on a real table with realignment, reconciliation and restrategizing for a better society. And he also says, nice dress all of you got tonight. Evidently it's salad celebrations. Why I wanted to read that because what I took away from what Dili just said was the fact that it's no longer about business as usual. You said, I just go and I thumbprint all the way down. Now we've got to shine the spotlight on the individual. So it's like building a fantasy football team. You pick one person that you like from Manchester, one person from Chelsea and you build a team. So what we're saying now is that the group of people that we're looking at are people that it doesn't matter what party you are. If we are educated enough to understand what you bring to the table, that's what we need to be choosing. And that's how we need to be viewing the elections. So for me, if that is my roadmap now, how many parties do I then scan? How many people do I scan? I mean, I'm looking for cheat sheets. So my question is, how can you help me simplify this process and understand? Because if we truly, you know, a lot of people are well-meaning, but let's be honest, it's overwhelming. It, you, no matter even when you have good intentions and you want to look for information, I don't know if there's anything that our guests can give us that just says, here's where you should start. Here's how you should even begin this journey. Because a lot of people truly want change, but they just don't know what to do. Absolutely. Uti, I'll say this to you here and now. You can take it to the bank. The first, the second, the third, are most important of all of the things you need to be looking out for, in whoever you are voting for, any of his, including Dr. Kaccha in the coming election, restructuring. Nigeria must be restructured. It's not just about the president. When the president, assuming we do find a candidate who pushes the gospel of restructuring, pushes it, it must be echoed by members of his party running for their house of reps, running for the Senate, running for the state houses of assembly, running to become governors, because that is the single most important thing in the Nigerian agenda. It is even the only way that we might, might, not to do that, but might survive the impending disintegration of this construct of lives without restructuring being clearly placed on the table. Don't just ignore the person. The person just wants to be the next person at the feeding troughs. Nigeria has been emasculated by a constitution that is essentially a coup against the people. That coup against the people has sustained a lie for 23 years and counting, or almost 23 years now, but it can sustain it for much longer. So if somebody is talking to you, not just the presidential candidate of the party, don't let somebody come and stand lying to you like they lied in 2015 when they were talking restructuring, like they lied when they put together the L5 committee just before the 2019 election. It must be an article of faith. Our people must understand that the foundation of the entirety of the Nigerian mess, where it took the, is that constitution? Change anything you like. If you don't touch that constitution, Nigeria will be washed off this time next year and the year after that one. But one more thing, just to drive this home so that we all understand it clearly. The Nigerian ruling class as a whole, bearing few exceptions, have no problem with the 1999 constitution. They are very, very happy with it. So anybody who is telling you wants to change it after the election, but he can't talk about it now. He's lying. He simply wants to get to that office to be the one to manage the system of stealing. Yeah, because I was going to... Problem with Nigeria. Sorry, because I was going to say to you that this current structure that we are having, it's beneficial, right? The center is so powerful. It is beneficial to all politicians put together across all parties, right? So who will now say, is it... You know how we say it now? So now my tone means I have no opportunity to take its money. Do you get it? So who do you think would really have that will power? Even if they say it and they echo it, what is the guarantee that when they eventually get into power, they would actually bring it to effect? Who are? Let me tell you this. I just concluded a series of talk, a four-part series, and I titled it Your PVC or Your Gun. You know, my people have this proverb. They say where the old man lied down, sleep, what he sees there, the youth that is passed on top of the local tree will now see it. Nigeria is at an inflection point. If it fails to find a path to restructuring peacefully, it will end up in a war that it has not planned for. Some people are planning for it. A lot of us are blissfully unaware of the consequences of some of these things that are happening. But I'm saying it full chest. Being able to put together the different parts that I'm observing on a daily basis and I've been observing for the better part of my life, that the current system has run its cycle. It is not sustainable. If it does not disintegrate Nigeria in their quest for 2023 power, it would have rendered it so completely ungovernable that if you do not give the people fresh hope to drive the impetus to trans, then we can salvage this country. If we dissolve into violence and anarchy, our strengths have been constrained by a constitution that we have no say about. Some people have already lost their capacity to reason with this system. Look, anyone who is truly desirous of changing Nigeria but is afraid to place a restructuring plan on the pilot, because without it being on the pilot, nobody can touch that youth document called Decree 24. But if somebody is brave enough to place that alternative plan on the pilot and the party can adopt it, it energizes the people. Dowses the tension particularly in the Southeast, in the entire southern part of Nigeria, where people feel as though there's not even citizens or slaves within their own country. There's no fuller ourselves. With that, I've said a lot of things that most of you sometimes think are clandestine. But I challenge anyone to point at the single one of those things that I've said that have proven to be false. I am saying it without equivocation. If Nigeria does not find a way to peacefully, using the electoral process, place restructuring on the pilot with a clear plan will end up in that war. Worst case scenario by 2024, worst case. We're already there. All you need to do, put a map of Nigeria on your wall and then look at the part of Nigeria where you can travel 50 kilometers outside any city limit in any part of Nigeria. And then you tell me if we are not already at war. What we need to be doing is envisioning a better future that we can sell to the populace so that they might pull back from the brink of their bids to which most of them have been pushed. If we are not at war, why are people crossing the Sahara? Why are they dying crossing the Mediterranean? Absolutely. Because we are not Ukraine. They are not calling it war because we are not Ukraine. We are already at war. People are escaping. They are migrating again. They are escaping. So, Dele, you mentioned one. You said restructuring. You were supposed to give us three points. Do you want to quickly touch on that before we take some more comments? It's restructuring, restructuring, restructuring, restructuring. OK, so that's one to three. That is the answer. OK, awesome. It's not just three. To infinity. To infinity. Every other thing flows from there. Every other thing flows from there. Every other thing. Without that, Nigeria is already dead. If you don't restructure, it will die. It's that simple. I might sound like a prophet of doom to some, but use the evidences that are gathered by your eyes and your ears. Look around you. I just told you. I know that sounds funny to you. Or I hear anyone drive 50 kilometers outside your city limits. And if you are a policeman, wear your uniform and move around in the southeast. And then tell me we are not at war. We are lying to ourselves on several levels. And the only thing that will bring us out of this self is the post state of war. Free the people for everyone's sake. Let Nigerians become citizens in their own country. Is it too much for our politicians to understand that you cannot continue telling a person he's a citizen of the world? And then you make him a slave in his own country. It doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that. OK, so let me take some comments. Please always put your names when you bring this comment. Alida is a person who thinks about the future, not today. Alida is in Nigeria, saw the leaky free trade zone in Atlantic 10 years ago today. The largest investment in that era is happening. For the first time in this country, we are moving in the right direction. The 1999 Constitution is the 1979 Constitution as amended. I believe Aulawa contested under the same Constitution in 1979 and 1983. Always put your name because if you don't put your name, we don't know who you are. Uti, you have some comments. OK, so I have a follow-up comment from Bobby Kennedy in Jalingo. He says, politics for me is a medium for people to get emancipation and be emancipated from the clutches of oppression and imperialism. They don't know we know more than they think. Most of us are guilty of not voting from the councillor up to the president if we really want to get it right in Nigeria. And the second comment is from Daniel Illo. He says, good evening, my dear, beautiful sisters of what are you saying? Hashtag ways. Happy Salah to you all concerning the electorate looking beyond presidency ahead of the 2023 election. Let us be careful this time around. APC promised us change and they ended up deceiving us and themselves. To me, APC means our promises cancelled. Let us be very careful in 2023 and pray that God looks into the heart of a genuine person who will take us forward to the next level. Nigeria should not be deceived by the parties. Let us vote for individuals to go forward. Sister Uti saying you are looking beautiful is another statement. Thank you, Daniel. You know, Daniel, you're also making a big mistake because when he said that let us pray that God brings a person that has a good heart, we are still focusing on that centre. We're taking the responsibility away from ourselves. From ourselves, right, daily. So, can you just help us? Because, you know, whenever we're with you, we're having so much fun and the time just keeps flying, you know? Can you help us see this thing that it is beyond us saying we want to elect a particular person because that is not a solution to Nigeria's problem. It's a set of people. Do you understand? So, how do we start to see? You know, so, Uwa, I am beginning to align myself with this who of thought that is... that they propounded this theory that Africans have been deliberately trained to learn by road, instead of being trained to use their brains. It's unfortunate that we keep chasing our tails like a demented dog. We have tried personnel changes all these years. But because ignorance has been so weaponized in Nigeria that people spout nonsense full chest. Look at the man that just sent that comment. Chebya, who lower ran under the same 1999 constitution. That's a blatant lie. And then the other one was talking about a person with vision who took people's land and built free trade zone. Free trade zone, go and look at the number of people who have been rendered homeless, not cutting any compensation paid to them. We are pointing at lies as achievement. This is because people don't bother to use their brain and look at the evidence of their own eyes so that they can then make up their mind. The fact of the matter is that systems are designed to produce results. Nigeria is designed to produce exactly what it is producing. It is not by accident that men that we thought were good men will get into these offices and they achieve exactly what the system are designed that they would achieve. Nonsense. When you build anything without purpose, without vision, what happens is that perversion sets in. Nigeria was not built with purpose. Egymonies govern nations everywhere in the world. You bring your egymonie, then you take on the smaller ones, you assimilate them for everybody's progress. But not in Nigeria because the egymonie governing Nigeria is not built with vision. It's built simply for the acquisition of power and money, impunity and privileges, nothing more. So when you now keep cycling people through a system that is designed to, it's like asking someone to swim through a sewer and then come out claim at the end of the process. It's not going to happen. The problem is that our system is designed to produce if, unless you redesign that system, it is not going to produce anything good. You would have the occasional systemic errors, some of them good and beneficial, not all are particularly good. The current president is a systemic error. He is the height of the hubris of that system. Another one might come that will be worse than that, but if you don't want bad rulers, reconstruct the system that is consistently producing them, which one in 23 years, you cannot actually count up to five persons. You would have fingers left on the hand if you were counting five persons that have worked for the people within this system. The system will frustrate the person if they ever had any such intentions. And if they didn't have any such intentions, it will enable them to do what the system is already designed to do, steal, kill, destroy, end of story. One thing is consistent. Every time we have Delia as the guest on the show, you learn a lot of things and sometimes you feel like you come away from the conversation a little bit more despondent than when you started it just because the system... No, no, no, I don't do this to me. No, no, no, but it's because you're telling the truth about the reality of our situation. Because if I take Dr. Nelson away... But I don't leave you without hope. Yes, no, but the thing is... I don't leave you without hope. It's the change of mindset now for me that says, how do we even be... So it's a bigger problem. If I change the people, the system still exists. So the system is designed to make people of good men who are well-meaning. So right now, as a collective, we are all carrying our batons and our pom-poms and we're saying, let's get the right people. But then we realize that what you're doing is actually still feeding this same system that doesn't work. So in fact, it now becomes a shift in mindset to say, okay, I need to put the system before the person, but then I need the people to change the system. It's like a chicken and egg situation. So give us some small hope in a minute. Live up with hope. Because we're having the part two of this conversation very soon. Oh, is that me? Yes, I said you should give us some hope. Leave us with some hope in a minute. Let me just say this to you. A few years ago, I traveled over to Republic of Bennett. That was in 1998. And the woman selling corn by the roadside in front of the hotel I stayed in in Kutonu, she had a mobile phone. And I came back to Lagos to the specter of having to be begging people to use their not nine knots or go to a night care office to make my phone call or a business center. Why am I talking about this? Today in Nigeria, the same Nigeria, we're talking 23 years later, 24 years later, I'm able to sit in my house and use a telephone device to connect to a TV station that is not NTA simply because the Nigerian energy has been unbundled. Our problems are not intrinsic to us. We're not bad people. We're good people. Down the length and breadth of this country we are very good people. It is the system that has hobbled us. However, if we ever get a film who stands up in the recognition of the fact that you cannot repair the disaster that is occurring, what has happened to us cannot be repaired. If anybody is coming up to say that I can repair Nigeria or we will restore, there is nothing to restore, there is nothing to repair. You have to reimagine it. If Nigeria is reimagined, the Nigerian people are more than enough to turn Nigeria around. Absolutely. There is something I said to you when we were off here. I didn't know we were off here. We are so sorry, but we have to bring you back again. As always, we hope you honor our invitation. Thank you so much for a fantastic conversation. The system is so bad that it frustrates the good and destroys a lot. I went to INEC office to get my PVC that was lost. I was told nonsense and convinced that they can't confirm if I really registered or not. Why can't they just check the system? So this is a big issue. We're going to bring up part two of this conversation. As we always say, we talk about things, hoping that yes, people would listen. Thank you so much, Uti. Thank you again, Dele Faro Timi. Now, before we go, do ensure you follow us on Instagram, that way to Africa. You can interact with us further, drop a comment or more importantly, follow all our engagements on social media, like share, invite your families and friends to watch and follow the conversation. Now, if you missed today's quote, here it is again. The most important office and the one which all of us can and should feel is that of the private citizen. We'll see you guys live tomorrow at 8pm as we'll bring another great conversation to your screen. Enjoy.