 Yes it's another BDA and John Hills is an ex-patriot Englishman living in Australia. What are you doing over here at the Silver Fern? I'm going to show you passes, what's it all about? Why the choice of the BDA? Oh he's just like, look at them, like the noise, right? Can't drive them but enjoy it. Yeah, um, Welshman, I'm guessing by the accent. I'm from Somerset. Oh are you? Well not far away as the crow flies. That's right. Rallying territory there too, isn't it? There is but I never started rallying so it was about 49. Yeah, I would have been richer if I had stopped. Now you've got a very long event in front of you, are you taking a conservative approach to this? It doesn't matter what I think, it'll always be conservative. I ain't got the energy. Oh well I do say the ball stops when the flag drops.