 Welcome to the After Hours podcast, hosted by Harry Haas and James Friedlender, presented by My Investing Club. What's going on guys? As we're back with another episode of the After Hours podcast, today we have Jason who is a lifetime member at MIC. We're just keeping up the tradition of getting through all the members, like I mentioned in a previous episode, we're just, it's cool for everyone to see how people in the community are and how they're growing and how they're experiencing MIC itself. So we wanted to get Jason on, give his kind of feedback and hear a little bit about his journey. So Jason, thank you for coming on, man. Thanks for having me guys, I appreciate it. Of course, of course, man. So we'll just kick into it. How did you get into trading and then how did you end up finding MIC and all that? So I had a buddy during COVID, I had just PCS'd to DC and I reconnected with a little friend of mine and obviously when COVID had everything shut down, my buddy was like, hey man, what are you doing during the day? I'm like, I'm not doing anything. He was like, I just made five grand trade in. I can't remember what ticker it was. I was like, what? And he was like, yeah, I just made five grand today. And mind you, we're enlisted members and we were enlisted members in the military. And he's now out as well. So five grand in one day is almost, you know, half a paycheck for a month, of course. So I was like, man, tell me about us. And then we started talking about it. I found a couple of the, you know, the, how do you want to call them, like the Discord groups? Yeah. And, you know, like with anything, when you talk about something around electronics or you look up something on your electronics, the ads start popping. Tim Sykes came across my page and I started talking with those guys and the guy seemed, you know, it was a lot of money. I was like, I don't know if I'm ready to commit that much. Then I bounced into the Discord's and I found that, you know, the education route is the way to go because like most other people, I was just listening to what the Discord guy said and I was losing a lot of money. Oh, shit. Yeah. Oh, shit. And I was training, like I listened to them. Like they're like, hey, if we make a call just for instance, hey, we make a call on Tesla. It's going to run up, wait till it, you know, wait till it, you know, dips a little bit. That's when you get in. Don't get in right when I call. So I was like, all right, cool, I'll do it. And I did and I lost. I had a terrible, terrible losing streak. Then another guy started popping up on my ads. I don't even know the guy's name but he was very aggressive in his ads on like YouTube and whatnot. It was two to 5% every trade. That's all we need. I'm like, oh, okay. So I looked into that and it just didn't fit my style. And then I saw an ad with the free webinar that Bala and Alex was and I watched that. I'm like, oh, okay. This looks good. So I reached out and I talked to Tosh and he was like, hey man, yeah, this is what we're about. Look us up on YouTube, check out all of our videos. So I started watching YouTube for a few days. I was like, man, this is a lot of great content. And this is what I need because I knew I was wrong, I guess you could say by following the pumpers, but I wanted the education because I knew that I was about to retire. So I retired from the Air Force this past January. So I knew that was imminent. And I didn't want to work for somebody else. So I was like, hey, I can get into this. And Tosh was like, yeah, you don't need a lot of money to start. You just compound it, build and build them. So I was like, all right. I think I actually saw one of Tom's videos about how to grow a small account. And that's kind of what locked me in. So I joined up for an annual membership, started seeing all the videos. As soon as the, literally the day the accelerator course came out, I watched it all from start to finish. And it was, I loved it. And I think that night, I don't know how, I want to say 11 o'clock, 12 o'clock at night, I messaged Tosh on here. Hey man, what can I do to upgrade to a lifetime? And within like five minutes, he responded to me, which blew my mind. Cause like I said, it was, it was close to midnight. And ever since then, you know, I did that. That's how I got kind of found in. And I've just been trying to watch as many videos as I can. That's awesome man. That's awesome. How long ago was that? When did you become Lifesum? Let me see, I have it up. Let me see if my thing shows it. I want to say, I don't know if it shows it. It was right when the, right around the time the accelerator, the first accelerator course came out. So it's been a bit, so it's been a little bit. That's really cool, man. That's really cool. So now as you're trading like change, like are you long buys or short buys now? Kind of where do you, where do you stand on that? So I'm primarily short buys. I've watched actually a lot of your videos and a lot of Tom's videos to really help me. To help me get locked in. So I normally trade like the low hanging fruit because I'm still trying to learn. So one of those higher percentage trades while I'm still trying to get figured out every now and again, you know, I'll see the chat and, you know, hey, wait for the top to be set. You know, hey, this is the backside. Again, I might look at something and go with a smaller thing, but actually the other day I sent it to Harry. Can't remember what trade it was, but I used his first, his friend's concept on, I think it was IRFT. Yeah, yeah. That was for that in forever. Yeah. And I saw go up, you know, I think it went from what was like three to seven or whatever, or three to six, whatever it was. And I saw that the little friends hanging. And I was like, all right, I'm going to take a shot. Small size. I was like, let me just take a shot. You know, because it was, I think it was either right by zombie time or right after. Yeah. And I think I messaged him. I chickened out, but it worked perfectly. It ended up going, I think like a dollar and a half higher than I got out. Yeah. That shit works when the market sentiment changes and you have those runners and stuff, you know, that shit works. We just haven't had like a market like that for it. It feels a little bit. Yeah. It's nice to get back to it. So are you finding success on, like you said, you're mostly short. Are you finding success in the low hanging fruits? Kind of where are you? What are you doing with that right now? Yeah. So I've been, I followed my plan. I would say probably, you know, the rules I should say, I should say my plan, but the MIC rules, I follow those pretty consistent. I still have my hiccups that I'm working through, but I've been consistent every day this year that I traded except for one. Oh, wow. That's really great. That's great. And I was stubborn. I know exactly why I went red that day. I sized in too early, sized in too fast. And then a shell shot got me. I didn't put it in a hard stop. And I just flew right up. And by the time I could hit the button, it was done. Yep. It usually happens. Yeah. But it wasn't a huge loss. Like in the past, following the pumpers, I would lose a substantial amount of money each trade. This one was manageable. I think it was, I think it ended up being about roughly two, maybe three days of free. That's not that bad. Yeah. So. Do you think that your discipline from like, kind of like maybe like the military background had like kind of helped in your trading? The question. Because like, I know like Vic mentioned it and a lot of people kind of have mentioned that, that have like served. So I was just wondering like how, like if that helped at all? A little bit. It's more my mindset of, I'm not, for me it's not as much the discipline, it's the mindset of I'm not gonna allow myself to fail. Cause the jobs I get in the Air Force, if I failed, somebody got hurt or worse. So the mindset of I'm not gonna allow myself to fail is more of it like the military training mindset. But the discipline, I mean, I don't know. Cause I don't feel like I'm probably, I'm more disciplined now than I was, but I don't feel like I'm at that level yet where I still make a lot of mistakes. I get in too early. I find myself chasing too much, you know this. So, but yeah, I mean, my discipline has saved me, but for me, it's more of the mindset that the military gives you like the no failure mindset, especially right now. I like that a lot. I like that. How many years did you say you've been at this? Trading? Yeah. So, like I said, I want to say it was around April, June of 2020. Wow. So it's not even that long man. That's pretty good. I mean, if you're already finding like that kind of consistency and like you have that level of discipline, like that's for a lot of guys, like that, that takes years. So that is, so Kudos to you. That is awesome. And it sounds like you kind of at least understand like the responsibility of trading cause like you've had some serious responsibility in your life. So I find that really cool. And I guess like at where you're at now, you know, what is causing you the struggles? What's stopping you from kind of getting to that next level in your trading? Do you have you pinpointed that? Do you know things that are giving you trouble or what do you feel about that? So the initial issues that I'm having or the current issues that I'm having right now are I kind of get in, I think a little too early. I don't trust my lines enough. Like for talking purposes, we'll say it's not, like you have lines at 520, 540, 560, stop at 570. It'll get up to like 510 and then we'll start to creep down. I'm like, oh, I gotta throw something in. Not a lot of size, like a starter size, but still, you know, that brings my average, you know, down. And by the time it hits that, you know, 560 line that we were anticipating, I have small amount of bullish. So my average is not where it could, it should be. And my tabs, I mean, we talk all the time, I'm like, hey, I'm looking at this line, this line and this line. And then sometimes I don't wait for my lines, which just gets me. And then the other big issue I have is trusting, like letting it stay green, because I have, I guess for lack of better words, PTSD of letting a green trade go red and it go red real fast, real hard. So I scalp, I mostly just, once I hit that 10 cent range, I put my stop and I'm just like, hey, I'm out, I'm out. Yeah, we had someone else on this morning and I guess like kind of like the difficulty that he was facing was that basically he wasn't kind of patient enough for his lines. And I was kind of giving up some pointers on saying like, if we have a stock, for example, let's just use kind of low hanging fruit as an example. The times that I've seen low hanging fruit fail the most would be like, if we have a stock that opens super under view app, it's usually like just over view app where we get that fail. It's usually like the line that's like right after view app where we see it fail. And if we open up kind of app view app, it's like a line where we're a bit like distance from view app. So we have like some room to kind of come down, you know? That was like a problem because he's like, you know, I just find myself getting into early every time. But I told him, I was like, you know, you have to kind of, I guess like paint everything together, you know what I mean? Like you really have to try and like paint a picture, right? And the problem is that a lot of people are just shorting random lines on low hanging fruit and they don't really know what they're doing, you know? But if you have a situation where we do open up super underneath view app, and then as we're kind of coming up, we get a little bit overview app and we get all those long traders that are just buying and chasing and chasing and chasing because they're like, oh, it's a view app reclaim. This thing has got to go to the moon, right? But usually that's kind of a long trap. Like from my perspective and like from my trading experience, I've always noticed those things to be kind of long traps, right? So number one, you have long chasing. So if that fails, you know, you can rely on all the longs that are bagged for supply, you know? And then maybe we have like a whole or half dollar number up there. There's another thing that you can kind of add to the list, right? Plus this thing has already overextended from the run. Plus you have the bag holders from the day before. So you have like five, six things to really piece your trade idea together. Rather than just saying, oh, well, I like this line because I think it's going to be a good line, you know? But if you can piece all those kind of things together and thread the needle kind of through the cloth, that can really kind of help you a lot, you know? Especially on the broken stocks. Like he was like, oh, like I was shorting in too early and I would get squeezed out and then it would end up kind of going lower. Like nine times out of 10, everyone's right on the low hang fruit. It's all about the timing and it's all about the areas, right? Where you want to start looking to go short, you know? So if you can just sit there and wait and say, okay, this area is a line where I have like multiple things that line up, you're going to have, you know, a higher win rate and a higher percentage rather than just saying, oh, well, this stock popped a little bit. We're below VWAP, we're below a lot of stuff, but oh, well, it doesn't matter because I'm just going to short this pop or whatever. And some of them do just die right off the open, I mean, there's nothing that you can really do about that because the one time that you do chase, you are probably going to get squeezed out. We see that in we can't do it all the time. So I mean, that's just kind of my point of view, James, I don't know if you want to chime in. Yeah, I always find like for the low hang fruit, the problem is kind of like what you said, Harry, is just that people try to get in early. It's like they look at a low hang fruit chart as a day one chart and that the stock is like broken and like under VWAP. And then like, do you know how many like charts in the chart recapture and fills, like I see someone losing on a low hang fruit, which shouldn't happen that often in my opinion, because if you, they're just two separate charts, like a day one stock that's broken under VWAP, sure you can hit those pops under VWAP or pops to VWAP if you want to scalp it or something like that. But like on the low hang fruit, like you said, most of the time people are just getting in way too early. And the way I like to approach the low hang fruit, I don't play them often anymore, but what I found success on those or what I did well, at least, was I just started avoiding the first line no matter what. Like I stopped shorting like VWAP on a low hang fruit or even like the first line above it if it was close. Cause I just always felt like the low hang fruits that I lost on were the ones where I was getting in around VWAP or anywhere near that area. I don't know if it was just previous shorts covering or you know, like Harry said, long stinging to VWAP reclaim whatever. So I just started kind of erasing my first line and that actually helped a ton because more often than not, again, a stalk is gonna mag, it's gonna like go to your line. That's where you want it to be. And I kind of just had this mental discipline of like, it's either gonna hit my perfect line on a low hanging fruit. And like Harry said, you can use, there's so many factors. You're like, oh, this is where longs are stuck. This was a previous support. Now it's gonna be your resistance. You know, you can line up factors. This is where yesterday's VWAP was, whatever you wanna do. And like it's either, it hits that line or nothing. I just cancel my fantasy orders. You know, fantasy orders on low hanging fruit, especially if that's kind of the strategy you wanna trade. I definitely recommend kind of like, almost only using them because a lot of times low hanging fruits don't give you the opportunity to like actually size in because it's not really an A plus setup for most. It's unless it's like, there's an A plus low hanging fruit which is like a major mover day one. Like, you know, I would say like in this market, 30 to 50 million plus volume traded and it broke down. So like you have a ton of volume. That might be an A plus low hanging fruit. But if it's just the day after like a normal setup, then, you know, there's really not that much opportunity to use size. So to me, it's like, you set your fantasy orders, you set your stops and then you have your areas to get out because they're set on the chart already with your, you know, support resistance. And then you kind of just, it's like hands off because where people tend to lose on these stocks is when they try to take the driver seat too much. They try to be like, oh, it's balancing. It's not gonna hit my line. It's not gonna hit my line. I'm gonna get in a little bit, I'm gonna get a little bit more. And by the time it actually does what you thought it would, it blows your ass out of the water and you're like, how did I just lose on this thing? Like I had the right plan, you know? So those things kind of helped me out a ton, especially when I was, you know, more new, I would say. Yeah, is there anything else that you think like may, might be like preventing you or like any other issues that you think that you have? Cause like, you know, while we have us here, like it's awesome to just kind of go over and kind of talk about stuff like that. So like the biggest thing is just getting in early and then the hard stops, I gotta be more disciplined at putting those in. Cause with that, I have a like, primarily like when I'm green, like when I'm winning, I find myself for talking purposes, I'll find myself. We'll say I got in at 750, it's now down to 720. So 30 cents swing. I put my stop in at like 730. So I still can get a piece. And I feel like I don't, I'm not, for some reason, I'm not figuring out how to, I'm missing on how to kind of give myself enough wiggle room to where if it gives a little bit I don't, cause I consistently find myself getting, you know, stopped out. I mean, so I take it cause it's green, but it seems like it's like every stop I have is that magnet, it hits that or maybe a penny above and then goes down another, you know, 30 cents. Well, James can either go where I can if you want. Got it, Harry, I'll go up here. I think in terms of like for me, when I'm in something like that, I'm always going to be saying to myself, like you have to be thinking, and this is, this is what I kind of say, that first bounce back for me. So let's say, let's say also for talking purposes, I'm short from 750, right? And the stock's now down at 730, right? Chances are that move is all you're going to get from that trade. So your trade has now given you that amount of money, right? So you've made that amount of money. And now that bounce back is really going to depend whether you're going to make more or whether you're kind of, I guess like what you've made has like gonna come back on you, right? So for me, that bounce back is going to be the most crucial part, right? Am I going to wanna maybe add a bit more size because I see that we're really struggling to bounce back or am I going to add a bit more or am I going to get stopped out if it's really strong? That bounce back determines really maybe the next 30 minutes or so of the stock. So for me, if I'm going to long a dip, I want to give that a bit, like if my thesis is that this could maybe go down a dollar, I wanna give that a lot more room than just setting my stock at like right below my entry, right? I want to measure the stock up a little bit, right? I wanna size this thing in. I wanna start collecting a bit more information on what this thing is going to do. And now that I have skin in the game, I have, rather than just looking at something and like not really caring, like I actually care. I'm actually focused on the ticker. So for me, that bounce back means all the more of, you know, I guess my plan on the stock, you know? So for me, I would always keep my stop at break even or a little bit higher still in that situation because, you know, we may hit 750, we may go back down a little bit and we may need 760 in order for this thing to really get crushed, right? But knowing that that bounce from 750 took it all the way down to that 730, 720 area means there's something going on at 750, means that I am right. But that bounce back is going to tell me how strong the stock still is and I can still use that information to maybe add size higher or maybe I'm going to cover 730 and I'm going to try and short that pop again. Like there's a lot of things that you can do but for me, when I'm exactly in the trade, I don't like to have a habit of like moving my stop down right away just because like that tells me that I'm worried about the money aspect of it. Whereas in this situation, since the trade is so new and since you just put the trade on, you know, you still got to collect some information and learn a little bit about the stock and the way it's trading in order for me to really nail the next one, you know what I mean? Yeah, I kind of feel like, you know, especially as a short seller, to grow your account, you do have to kind of master the idea or not master, you have to get really a lot better at adding to a winner but still while realizing a respectable risk. So like something I used to struggle with was that like I would just like have this like arbitrary stop number in my head, like not dollar, like I'd stop on a chart and it never really worked out that well because I'd add more size and then if I did take a loss, it's kind of random. So like what I always kind of recommend now is like finding this consistency in your losses idea which I've heard from other traders and I love it because, you know, now it's like no matter what trade I'm in I always have a kind of like a set like risk number in my head that I'm going to lose if I'm wrong and I base that on the chart. So like if high of day is, you know, 10 cents away from my potential entry, I know where my stop is, I know how much I'm going to lose and I can size in accordingly to that. Now when the stock breaks down and it's like proving that it's working I can't really add to that position or anything like that unless another level presents itself that that is important because high of day to me is like important. Like that's how Alex says it, right? High of day is like an ultimate stop out. So like my size is based off that but once the stock proves itself and it like makes a lower high, that's now my level. So now it comes to this like is there enough range in the stock to add and move my stop down to that previous high and I'm always going to keep that risk. Like I to be honest, like I don't really ever have the mentality of like a break even stop just because again, I like to allow my trades the room and like I'm always okay with what I'm going to lose cause I'm always in understanding a big dollar amount that I'm going to lose. I know what it is and it's tough. Like it is, it's a tough mentality. I just find like in small caps especially especially on the short side having these tight break even stops or like this arbitrary like five cents stop from your average or 10 cents from this line it doesn't really work because I mean small caps are jumpy as hell. Like the amount of times where like I move my stop down I get, I'd get stopped out for the trade to just work in my favor like two seconds later. So kind of learning that skill especially like when you are shorting I think is like from being able to adjust your risk to a level on the chart. Like I saw a couple of really good traders post on Twitter this week and actually about they were explaining how they moved their risk down and it's like it just makes so much sense. You know, and it's just I think people get so scared that they're going to give back money or that a green trade might turn to a losing trade. And I think there's a difference between like are you being a greedy fuck because the stock's down 60 cents and like you think you can go to a dollar you could make a dollar a share and then you let it like blow up on you and bounce back to your average or you know, are you still in the right? Is your thesis still correct? Is everything still working out how you wanted to? Because also taking off that trade too early and just scalping out is gonna cut it's doing a disservice to you. You're putting money on the line, you're risking it. You know, you need to make money to grow your account. You need to make money to compound your account and grow over time. So that's like a big, that's something I think you should really focus on and just kind of learning that aspect and being okay with it. And just putting in a hard stop right away man like always is the key for me. Like I just put a hard stop in now. It's like in the beginning I used to like almost fight with myself in my head like, oh, you don't want to put that in because what if you stop out? Now I don't care if I stop out. Like it doesn't, it shouldn't matter if you stop out. If anything, it's a good thing. You stop out when the trade is not working but it has to be like a reflux. So like put that hard stop in and then just kind of like it gives you time to reevaluate too. You can look at the chart and say, all right hard stops in. I can kind of take my hands off and see is this working? Can I move my wrist down? And I think that that's kind of a big game changer for me at least. It sounds like Harry kind of is along the same lines. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think like you want to collect information when you're in the trade, you know? And that's probably the number one thing is that I would rather be in a trade and get stopped out and like know all the information and know how the stock acts. So like that way when maybe I get short again and something different happens. I'm like, okay, well this is way different than what just happened here. Especially on low-hanging fruits, like unless it's a low flow, you have really good odds unless it's just a really, really micro low flow where they just cut the supply and move the thing up a ton. You know, you have great odds. So you can kind of take, you can kind of use that extra kind of odds thing to say, okay like unless we're doing a ton of volume and it's grinding the O or unless it's a low flow, you know, the timing is why it's so perfect, right? The timing is why those trades work well. So like you have all the more to gain, number one by just I think just having a normal stock and also saying to yourself like these are also low-hanging fruits, right? You know, they're not, it's not like you're trading a crazy jumpy day one. It's not like you're trading a new IPO that just came out, you know, they're low-hanging fruits. So you can add a little bit more maybe size in a little bit more and you don't have to be as, you do have to be cautious but you don't have to be as cautious as like any of those other examples, I think. That's right, I agree. Now, Jason, do you have plans to kind of expand from low-hanging fruits? I'm just kind of curious, do you ever like think about day ones or any of that stuff? Yeah, so I've dabbled in a couple of the day runs over the last week or so but so when I've been in those it's been, I'll say like not even, I don't even know if you would call it starter size just because I'm trying to learn it. I get nothing, you know, for talking purposes, you know I trade right around 500 shares, we'll say. So I'll get on like a, I can't remember what it was the other day, pre-market it ramped up, it crashed and everybody in the chat was like, oh, I think it's done. You know, one of the pumpers was in it and then I think it was Alex or I can't remember who it was, was like, hey, now I would adjust my line to here, here and here, you know because it's on the backside. So I was like, oh, okay. I mean, just trying to see the philosophies. I do, for those I do watch a lot more. That's why the commentary in the room is awesome because I'll put, we'll say a hundred shares just so, you know. Yeah, I feel it. Really small just so I can get in the game and see, okay, hey, if they're saying this, this and this kind of like Harry was talking about so I can understand their thought processes and do the trade with them having no expectations of winning or losing. So if I win, not a big deal. If I lose, not a big deal at all because, you know, it's what maybe 10, 20 bucks that I'll lose if it doesn't go the way that, you know somebody has explained it or whatever. And then I sit and I watch and it just, it amazes me. Like the one thing I'm really starting to try to focus in on talking about what the stops is. I love watching how, I can't remember who it was the other day. I don't know if it was Stephen or somebody. The other day they stopped out. They got into a trade, it stopped out, it went up, came down and then they re-attack at another level. And they were like, this is why we stopped. So then we're ready to re-attack. And I'm like, man, that's, you know that's such an awesome step that I need to pick in. So yeah, I'm looking at hey ones but it's more just watching what you guys say in the room. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I like that. Now, what are you doing to get better yourself? How are you improving your trading, your strategy with the lowing fruits? Are you doing anything kind of on the side? Do you have a tab group you work with? You know, what are you doing actively outside market hours to get better? Yeah. So I watch videos. I attend Monday, Tuesday and then I've rewatched Thursdays, like on Fridays because this is good what I do. My night times are full. I got four kids. So night time is kids. But I watch as many videos as I can. I do have a tab group. There was a couple of guys in the accountability section of Slack that was like, hey, you know I'm looking for, I was like, hey, so am I because I took about eight months off last year. Some personal reasons where I just I had to pull money out of my account and take care of some other things. And I was able to get the money back, re-attack. So I've really focused in January one, treating it like a job. You know, like in the military for one of my jobs in the military, I worked finance. So I go to the basic, you know the tech school for finance. I learned the base level finance. I go off to the next base. I start working customer service, taking care of people's money, their vouchers, you know, moving money around for people. But while I'm doing that, I'm still learning how to become more proficient. It's called upgrade training in the military. Yeah. So I'm training it just like I did with my military training. I've got that base level low hanging fruit is kind of like my from and the reason I chose it and it looked like it was like kind of like that entry level. Hey, if you want to be profitable, you can use this low risk, low reward, but still you start to understand the game. And now let's take that next step. And my 10, we send each other videos. One of us actually was at Thursday or Friday of last week was like, man, I really want to get better at building my watch list and finding, you know, cause what he was talking about was how people kept posting, you know, like the watch lists and then, Hey, here's the gappers for the morning. He was like, I need to get better at that. So we went on to the webpage, found a couple of videos. Hey, let's watch this, this and this. And then let's talk about it. That's great. That's huge. I mean, I feel like you need those guys to kind of bounce off of them. You know, like kind of like, I like what you said too, it's like, I've noticed once you start treating trading like a job, that's like a lot of the interviews I've listened to in the other podcast episodes that I might hear from other people is like, that's usually when people are trying to turn the corner. When you can just start treating this like a job rather than a gambling addiction, it's that's usually the tipping point for a lot of guys. And you know, I mean, it is. It's like, like you said, it's a military, you're a military guy. You could, you have to treat this like a regimented job that has like a success rate, like that you know what you have to do to be successful at your job, the better you do your job, the better efficient you are and the more money you're gonna make. And it's the same thing in trading. It's like, oh, it's all very similar. And like, I think it's cool. I think you're on a really good path with that discipline that you have in understanding how serious it is. And you know, I think I kind of wanted to ask, you know, maybe you'd even wrap it up, but you know, you said you have four kids, right? That's cool, that's crazy. So now, how is it dead? This is something that we don't ask often, but how is a father and as a parent, is it hard to kind of put the time into this and like study and do that? But like, you seem to make it work. So I just kind of want to have you touch on that a little bit, you know, pressure. Do you ever feel it? Do you feel like there's like almost like you have more will to be successful because you know, you have kids. Like, how does that work? Cause that's something I don't deal with. Harry doesn't deal with, you know, we don't ask many people these things. Yeah, so I'll start off with saying, I feel like I'm kind of an anomaly. Now that I'm retired from the Air Force, I get my retirement pension. So, you know, I can't remember, was it Bell and one of his tweets or something? And he was like, hey, you know, when you're starting out, you don't want to make this, put pressure on yourself to where you have to feel like, you have to make money. Cause if you feel like you have to make money, you won't, you'll break rules. You won't be as successful as possible. I can't remember, I thought it might have been Bell. I can't remember who it was. Yeah, it sounds like a Bell thing. Yeah. So I am lucky enough to have my current wife, she has a full-time job. So we kind of live off of my retirement and her paycheck. And she's able to get, we have a blended family. So two of the boys go to school 30 minutes away from here, which is by where she works. So she takes them, one of our children rides the bus because her middle school is a little bit away. And I just take one kid to school at, for me, 8 a.m., 90 a.m. market time. I get him to school, I get back at, we'll say, 905. And then I lock in from 905 until, let's see, it'd be 930 for me, or excuse me, 1030 for me. And that's where I'll do my, you know, hour of trading. I kind of like that philosophy. Then I study for an hour. And then when I'm kind of like how Vic was saying in a couple of podcasts ago, and I know he mentioned in the room a long time ago too, when he first became a moderator, I listened to the podcast as I drive, because I do a lot of driving. So I'll listen to the videos. And, you know, kind of similar to what he did. I was like, well, that's a good idea. Instead of listening to music, listening to something that's gonna help me. So that's how I do it. I don't feel pressure though, because like I said, this is play money. And what I mean by play money, it's like it's not money that has to go into my pocket to feed my family. Yeah, of course, exactly. I look at it as just, I keep the money in the account. It stays in there. I pull out money every month. At the end of every month, I made a promise to myself and God, I was like, hey, at the end of every month, I'm gonna pull out my tithe from, you know, my trading account, and then that's it. And then when we're planning on going on vacation, then I'll pull money out so we can go on vacation. We don't have to impact our day to day. And it's easy for me because I don't, like I said, I don't have a full-time job anymore. The pressure's not there for me. Even if I didn't trade at all, we would be able to sustain our life, our livelihood. And the kids are in school. And even when they're not, they kind of let me be for the first hour of the day. And then that's when it's difficult, like over the summer or when they're on breaks, because I don't want to sit and watch videos and study because I want to spend time with the kids. But they're at that age and I'm like, hey guys, I need an hour. Just give me one hour early afternoon or I'll do it after they go to bed. And I'll stay up a little bit later. I'll watch an hour or two of videos, I review my trades for the day, and then prep for the next day. Yeah, and I think that's great. And that's a lot more discipline than a lot of people are putting in. That's the thing, is that like for someone like you, like just even listening to me, like me listening to you talk, which is what I was trying to say. Like I was like, wow, that's like a great amount of work, to be putting in every single day. Whereas most people are like, for them it's like a choice. Like they're like, do I want to put this in today? Do I want to do this today? Do I want to do this? Do I want to do that? As far as you, you've ingrained it and made it a part of your routine and your habits. So now it's not as much as a choice for you, where it's something that you need to do each day. It's something that is ingrained in you to do each day. And that's what I think is so great. Whereas a lot of people are like, do I want to watch Netflix or do I want to work on trading? And then a lot of people pick the Netflix and then it compounds and compounds and compounds. And then a lot of my trading calls, I'm like, man, you really gotta pay attention to those videos. You got to start watching the videos. You got to really treat it like it's university or whatever. If you were doing a course right now on, I don't know, anything, this is how you would have to approach it, right? And it is the exact same thing. So I really do applaud you on that for sure. Like I said, it took me a while. So I'll be upfront with you guys, even though I've been a member of MIC and I watched the videos, I watched the accelerated course before I realized that shorting was kind of fit my lifestyle better. Harry, I watched all your videos. I was in a long, but then I was breaking all the rules. I wasn't sticking to it. So now that I've kind of made it that business plan, I stick to those videos. I watch them, I do the notes. I listen to, you know, Bell's Tuesday Lives, Alex's Monday Lives, Tash's Market Sentiment, or, no, not Tash. Austin. Austin, I'm gonna look like an idiot. Sorry. Oh man, one of them did, but I apologize. Once I started dedicating to that and, hey, look, like, if it's not one of these rules that fits my standard, I'm not gonna do it. That's when I found that success because if I'm watching a Tom video and Tom says, hey, I short like this, then I watch a James video and James is like, hey, I short like this. Then I see a Harry video. He's like, hey, look, if you're gonna long, you can't do this. And then I'm like, oh, well, that's three different people from three completely different places, both around the world and in their trading. It's gotta be something. Yeah, for sure. I like that. I think that's probably a good place to end it, actually. That was a really nice kind of ending statement, I feel like. Yeah, so thanks for coming on, bro. Yeah, Jason, thank you. Thanks.