 I think everybody understands. The douchebag who came up with Fashionably Late is the guy who was always late and decided he wanted an excuse to look better. And I am that douchebag who's always like three minutes late. And then I'm like, but you see, this is professionalism, okay? Okay, we're live. All right, let's see here. So if you're watching the stream here, if there's actually anybody there in the chat, if we could get some yeas or nays on the audio, I'd be appreciative. Hopefully it's good. I did install something called PulseMeter earlier this week for a video, and I'm worried that that messed up my audio, so I want to make sure. And I'll also say, for anybody watching the live stream, if my audio's out of sync, don't worry. I totally understand it, and you'll find out why in a minute. The thing is, is you're perfect right now. It's perfectly in sync right now. It's just like, for whatever reason, whatever's capturing your audio and video, get bogged down every once in a while. It's not getting enough. I think it's just, it's probably just, I don't know. I really don't know what it is. Probably just because I'm having to use Discord in the browser. That's probably what it is, you know. I mean, Discord's already unreliable. Yeah. You wouldn't think that the browser version of Discord and the electron version of Discord would be all that different. They should be exactly the same, but they're not. Hi, DT's here. How you doing bud? Glosec. Yeah. Roo's here. Excellent. Next game, hello. Welcome to the podcast. We're going to get started here very soon. Actually, this is a topic that should be pretty interesting. We're going to talk about canonical and how evil they are, or not are. Because their corporations are never evil, by the way. Literally, a massive corporation has never done anything wrong. Right. Never. Just like people, they never make mistakes. It's just features that look like mistakes. Alright, phone is on silent. Matt. When Matt speaks distortion, what do you mean by distortion? Like, I'm coming through garbled? Like, I'm in a well or something? Because I do have noise suppression on because of an air conditioner. You mean that's because it's fading in and out when I speak? That's just going to happen, unfortunately. I mean, I unmuted the live stream on my end. You sound good on my end. I know the last podcast we did, you were quiet. But you don't sound quiet to me. A little hiss, yeah. I know my settings in OBS aren't perfect. But I'm not a streamer, you know, like at all. So I don't know all the neat tricks. Like, the tricks that I've gotten came from podcastage. So, alright, we're going to get started as long as everything seems to be okay. I don't know the English word for it. I don't know the English word for it either, so don't worry about it. Find out the nice words. Yeah, I'm not turning that off, unfortunately. 90 degrees outside. Maybe warmer in here. You're probably right, Linux Gamer. Probably has something to do with the electron version. They can do more. If only Element was good, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it'd be nice. It'd be nice, but I don't know. I'm not holding out hope that it happens soon. I know it will happen where Element gets much better. But I think it's going to be a pretty long drawn out process. Yeah, I'm not sure that it's ever going to happen, to be honest with you. I've kind of lost hope. I'm holding out hope. You know, I don't know what distortion you're talking about when you're hearing me, because nobody else seems to be hearing it. A little bit of hiss from the air conditioner. I mean, I hear that, but there's nothing really you can do about it. Sometimes, I mean, I know that the video version of the podcast is never the best in terms of audio quality. Unfortunately, there's not. Maybe there's something I can do to figure that out. Maybe that's something to learn. I'm sure there's a way to do it. Other people do it, so I'm sure I can figure it out. Usually. Inside of OBS, on your microphone, do you have the RN noise or noise reduction filter applied? Yep. That should take care of it. I got it. If it's not taking care of it, that probably means that the AC is just... I have gain, limiter, noise gate and compressor. That just means the AC is too close. You're really not going to be able to cut it out. I mean, I don't think it's really bad. It's just noticeable. We'll see if that's a little better. I don't know. All right. We're going to go get started. Wake up, Matt. Time to do work. Okay. Ready to go? I'm going to hit the record in OBS. I'm going to hit the record in Audacity. And you can do the claps whenever you like. All right. Three, two, one. Good enough. Yeah, sounds good on my end. It says it sounds a lot better now. Cool. I added noise reduction. Because noise suppression wasn't actually enabled. So yeah, that's hopefully... It turns out noise gate and noise suppression aren't the same thing. Yes. I really thought I... Oh, well, I don't know. I guess I can't hear for shit. All right. At least it's good. Well, everybody says it's better, which is good. Excellent. Always... When I listen to it back later, I will... I'll get to hear that. It should be fun. Okay. The audio version is always better because I can... Take the noise out of that and not acid it because record is separate. Yeah. Okay. Let's go ahead and get started. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Linuxcast. I'm your host, Matt. And I'm Tyler. So welcome to the Linuxcast. I am very happy that we're here. We did miss last week. Tyler was sick as a dog. So we had to take the last week off. So he's feeling better, which is always a good thing. And I am here. I don't know about feeling ready and raring to go and doing this, but you know what? By the time we get into it, I'll find my motivation. Also, I can't see anything because I didn't... My glasses are here and not on my face. So, Tyler, while I'm putting my glasses on, you can tell us what you've been doing in the World of Foss this week. Well, so when I got sick, so as I started getting feeling better, like I could actually wanted... I mean, I didn't even want to sit down and use the computer. I didn't... I felt so bad. But as soon as I started feeling better, I immediately did what I'm best at and started distro-hopping aggressively. And so I tried a whole... I mean, I tried out a whole bunch of different distros, hopped, checked out, like, grew to dragon eyes for the first time in a long time. I mean, I tried out a whole bunch of different stuff. Very much was enjoyable trying out everything, but I ended back up on OpenBSD, which I did not think was going to happen, but with mental outlaw giving me a shout-out and talking about my OpenBSD content, I was like, you know what? It has been a while since I've checked out OpenBSD, and then I wasn't going to keep running it because they still have not been able to fix the ACPI error with my motherboard. I have a gigabyte board. It has some super, super IOBS with it. And so whenever the ACPI part of the kernel loads and during boot up, it just, like, all my fans will just stop spinning on motherboard headers. But I just plugged in my Noctua fan with a... what's that thing called? The low-noise adapter. I plugged that into the Molex in my computer. And, you know, obviously, cooling's fine. So I just went ahead and started using it, and man, it's been nice. It's been nice getting back into it. I really like OpenBSD. And I've also been playing some games on it. And by games, I mean stuff like... I played Far Cry Primal earlier on OpenBSD, which was kind of fucking awesome. And let's see, I played golf with your friends. Like, I played a whole bunch of different games, but we'll talk about what that was through towards the end because that's actually, like, my thing of the week. Okay. Nice. I have some comments on your OpenBSD thing in a minute, but I need to address the chat. Yes, Tyler's audio is out of sync. If you're watching this live or you're watching this later, yes, Tyler's audio sometimes goes out of sync. He's on OpenBSD, as you just heard. And that's not a real operating system. It's fake, so it has some issues. If he was using a real man's operating system, GNU slash Linux, he wouldn't be having these issues. I'm just going to put that out there. Also, Ms. Law, thanks for the super sticker thing, whatever it is. I appreciate that. All right. Also, I have no clue what that sticker actually is. Oh, those are sunglasses. Okay, I think. Those are cool guys sunglasses. I am so old. These stickers. Well, after my day, we actually had paper stickers. If you wanted a sticker, you had to unpeel it. So, yeah. We know where the audio problems will fix that once Tyler hops back to a real operating system. Once I do. Notice that I said when, and that leads me into my comment thing on you. So first of all, congratulations on the call out by mental outlaw. That was pretty awesome. I'm assuming that your subscribers went up a little bit. Yeah. Since the shout out, I've gained like five to 600 subscribers. That's really, really cool, man. It's really, really nice. But I am, I will go ahead and say I'm much happier. Root has gained a lot more subscribers from, from the shout out, which I really like. If you're really looking for open BSE content, I mean, sure, I've got it, but I'd highly recommend going checking out Roots channel. He's a great guy and he's got some fantastic open BSE content. So I'm glad his channel is getting a lot of recognition. Great. Yeah, the funniest part about the whole mental outlaw thing was that he shouted you out for open BSE content. When your latest ones had nothing to do with open BST. Yeah. He was talking about my own BSE content when he loaded up my channel. All you see is my Unreal Engine 5 live stream. On Windows. It was on Windows and it was the furthest thing you could get away from open BSE. Yeah. That was so funny. Anyway, so the last I knew you were on Gen 2. So you went to open BSE because of the mental outlaw thing or just was there something wrong with Gen 2? Well, I guess I should say yes to both because I really wasn't thinking about going to open BSE. But because of everyone talking about the mental outlaw video, I was like, yeah, you know what? I should at least go ahead and give it a shot. So I mean, it's definitely a little bit because of the shoutout. But yes, I did have I was having issues on Gen 2 for some reason games that should just open weren't. And then I was like, you know what? Well, before I just say screw it and just go to open BSD and do like just cloud gaming when I want to game. I was like, well, I will go ahead and try Ubuntu and see if see if like just if everything is just working. Will I enjoy snaps? And the answer to that question is no. Like snaps still have some issues. Like definitely. They're not terrible, but they still get like I will. It's such a nitpick, but the loopback devices with snaps is just so annoying. I know it really is. There's so much about snaps that we could talk about, but we don't need to do that. We can we can wait until the main topic actually. Yeah, a little bit of a lead in there. OK, so for me. This last week, actually, I've done very little in terms of what's interesting stuff on on Linux. I've just been working like a lot. But last week, I was rising up a storm because I'm I'm creating a script that will allow me to switch Rises through Rofi and the script is written. It works. Like if I wanted to switch between like right now, I'm using one dark. If I wanted to switch to grub box or Tokyo night or something like that, it works like I have a ton of Rises already done. It will change the I3 theme. It'll change the Polybar theme. It'll change the Lackardy theme. And when I'm done with it, it's also going to change the GTK theme and the wallpaper. I would love to figure out a way to change the Neil Vim theme from the script. That'd be awesome. I had not figured out how to do that yet. Hopefully that is something that I can figure out. Otherwise, I'll have to do manual. But if I can work all that out, it will switch everything through a key binding. I've been changing Rises once a day. Yesterday, I was using grub box power line and the day before that, I was using just regular grub box and then today I'm using one dark. Who knows what tomorrow will bring. I want to do an EverForest or whatever it's called, a Rise like that. And there's, I want to do another grub box theme because I found a Rise or somebody else's grub box theme, which is really freaking awesome. So I'm going to try to emulate that. And then they're like, there's so many different themes that I can do. I'm going to have one of each and then have like 50 or 60 different themes that can switch between. It's going to be awesome. And I got the, so I actually did that script on a stream and when I did it, it was like, I don't know, 25, 30 lines because I had one line for each theme and I got it down now. So it's one line after the array. So after it lists out all of the choices and then the Rofi has the Rofi line where it pipes everything into Rofi and then it has the part that it actually does the changing. And that's just one line. So I was really proud of that. That was a, that, that contribution was inspired by a fix that came through from Schmoyg, Schmoyg, Schmoyg, whatever his name is from the Discord. So that was really fun. So I've really, I've been posting pictures of my rices on Discord. It's like, you changed rices again? Like, yeah, I did. You're never going to see me use the same rice two days in a row. It's going to be great. That's actually probably what I should do is instead of like distro hopping all the time, you know, just rice hop constantly. You can, you should, you should, you should distro hop one more time away from BSD. I don't know. I really do like it. It's real nice. So let me ask you this question. I've never used BSD. So would you have better luck with like the audio and stuff like that on a different version of BSD, like free BSD or ghost BSD or something, or would it just have the same problems? Um, I honestly can't answer that because I don't know. Free BSD, like really in all honesty, like BSDs are different than distro, like Linux distros. Like they're kind of similar. Like this Linux distros can be different. Like they can have default, different default choices like audio, pipe wire or pulse. And it's kind of similar with BSD, except for they're completely different. Like there's, they don't share the same kernel either. Um, like free BSD's kernel is not completely, but it's massively different than the open BSD kernel. And so also their tools are, can be very different. And so for free BSD, I don't know, you might have more luck with audio issues. But really in all honesty, the only audio issues that I have here is the delay through discord, which I know is most likely just a discord issue because the, in other things like jitzy or I can't remember what the other, I don't think it was element. I'm pretty sure it was, it was something else, but it doesn't have issues. Was it TeamSpeak? I don't know, but another one of the chat applications, it doesn't have any issues at all. And I use that for a while. Same with jitzy. But jitzy, it's the same thing with discord. Really when it comes to these kind of chat applications online, I haven't found one that's literally rock solid reliable. There's just not one for video and audio. We'll try jitzy again next week if you're still on BSD. Well, at least try it. But I don't want, we should probably do something where if we are going to try it, we try it privately for the day that we record the podcast. We can do that. We can test it for a good 30 to 30 minutes to an hour to make sure that there's no issues and also you don't have to set up the transforms and everything if it's not going to work out. Remember last time we tried jitzy, we tried it one week and we raved about it like crazy. It was like, this is the greatest thing we've ever tried. We should have done this ages ago. And then the week after that it gave us problems. Yep, yep. So, yeah, I don't know. Hopefully that's no longer the case. But I don't know. Discord's got a lot of money behind it. So I struggle to see how jitzy's going to improve on problems that plague Discord. We could try zoom if we had to. And now at that point it's Linux time. If we're really truly considering zoom it's time to go. You should definitely switch to Linux. You should have, like I said, real man's operating system with the proper kernel. All right. You can't win by the way. Just to let you know that if you use Windows I give you shit. You use BSD. I give you shit. Even if I use Linux I still give shit. Well, you should be using Arch. I mean, it's just of course. Which you use Arch, you get no shit. Like you're using a proper distro then. Anyways, moving on to the contact information. If you want to get in contact with us you can do so in any number of ways. You can find most of the stuff at thelinuxcast.org which is the website which is not an updated website. Somebody asked message you know that your website's way far behind, right? Yeah, I know. I'm working on it. Well, I should say one of my patrons is working on it. JDogg's working on it or he says he's working on it. I don't know what solution we're coming up with but we're coming up with some solution where it's easier for me to update other than actually writing out manually HTML code to update this thing line by line because that's obviously entirely too much work. 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Anyways, Tyler, every week you and I get together and we scour the interweb for the most updated breaking news stories the only news that you'll ever see that actually matters there's nothing else going on in the world other than the two links that we're about to share with you today You tell him buddy Yeah, buddy Come here, come here It's good news Yeah, yeah He's like, he's preparing to hear this name Linus Torvalds Yeah, that's right, buddy But so my article is kind of interesting I think some people will find it interesting others will be like you know this is a meme a meme is getting into the linux distro or linux kernel but yeah, so rust is definitely coming to the linux kernel and according to Linus Torvalds it will be in the kernel very shortly possibly if not the next release and really I find it interesting that we are going to get rust in the kernel I think it's probably a good thing but also like to everybody who's like this is like super big news I mean Linus has said himself like they tried C++ introducing that in the kernel for a couple weeks and they just stopped so there's definitely a good chance that could happen this is not like the linux kernel is going to slowly migrate to being 100% rust I mean it's not like that wild it's just hey, if you like rust and you think that there's some benefits like they come with rust then good because it's getting introduced into the kernel too and if you hate rust then well stop pouting okay it's fine it's okay it's just a language it won't touch you it's okay there's no bad touch going on okay it's alright so the thing about this is for me I find it more entertaining that the people who write about this in some like tech blogs have no clue what's happening because they're like oh the linux kernel is going to be rewritten in rust no it's not the linux kernel is like 30 million lines long that is not getting rewritten in any other language it's going to stay exactly as it is now will we see pieces of it rewritten? probably from what I've heard it's supposed to be drivers and stuff because that's where we'll do the most good yeah according to linux really what they're looking for with rust is it's memory safety and like kind of management is something that they think is probably a good thing to have in the kernel and it might make things just easier on them but again this is like a trial run so who knows it might go well it might fizzle out real quick have no idea but it's definitely interesting especially if you're into rust there's probably like I would say there's probably going to if the linux kernel adopts rust that's a good thing for people who are I wouldn't say invested in rust but you know have spent the time to like learn rust and everything there might be a practical implementation job wise eventually with it if things like the linux kernel start adopting rust and it becomes more of an industry standard then if you've learned rust then that's awesome you have an extra skill and extra in in your career path but I really don't think this is news where like oh my god yeah the kernels finally adopting rust is going to fix so many problems like no this is it's just neat some cool news happening that's really it the most entertaining thing that you can like you think like the distro wars are bad like people are like oh I use arch by the way I use gen 2 you know I use slackware whatever you think those are bad the most entertaining like debate is between developers who absolutely have their language that they like and they hate other languages so like if you are a C programmer you despise python like you hate python with a burning passion of a thousand suns if you're a python developer you hate rust like like how dare this new come around the block come take our you know our spotlight like two people in my discord said we were going at the other day or going between rust and pythons like and they were so they got so bitter like they were name calling like they were calling each other idiots like come on man it's just freaking programming language one's not really any better than the other they all have their flaws like rust is not a perfect programming language I'm not a developer but I know that is not perfect because nothing is perfect you know I mean it has flaws like just like C has flaws C plus plus has flaws python has flaws I mean come on you use the tool that's best for the job that's the way it's always should have been and they think that rust is going to be good for the Linux kernel that's going to be fantastic and I somewhat trust them at least to know that if it doesn't do any good they'll just stop you know and focus on something else so what about you what's yours I honestly don't remember I chose this last weeks alright so Mozilla has enabled in the latest version of Firefox something called total cookie protection and from what I understand of this basically what this means is that your browser will still accept cookies from websites right it will accept cookies just like it would normally would accept for it's going to take those cookies and basically put them in a container so those cookies can only talk to that website no other website so that means that if Facebook puts a cookie on your computer that cookie can't then be accessed by the trackers that lie on other websites so it can't tell you that you the worst what about this like I don't know if you've ever visited a medium blog like a medium blog on the internet and if you're logged into Google you'll see in the upper right hand corner it will say would you like to sign into medium like what I don't have an account on medium why would I want to sign but yeah it's it's there's some kind of Google tracker that says well you're signed into Google therefore you can sign into medium like and this happens all across the internet so that's what this is kind of aiming to protect you from I haven't seen a lot of pushback I thought that there kind of would be because I mean yes cookies are kind of you know security problems right we all know this and their privacy things that we worry about but if you've ever used like LibreWolf like you use that without changing anything that thing doesn't accept cookies at all that means every time you open up the browser you have to re-log into everything like like that's the problem with not having cookies like I don't know about anybody else but I hate logging into stuff so I leave everything logged in as much simple as not I know that's not as like the only thing I log out of is the things like really matter like I log out of my credit cards and banks those things get logged out other than that like yeah I mean YouTube but I mean I have two factor authentication enabled and I got a security key or whatever and this as much as I this whole total cookie protection thing I'm not I'm not sure how that's going to change like they say that they can implement this thing and it not you know like break the web but I'm not sure like it'll be interesting to see how this actually affects your browsing experience because if it negatively affects your browsing experience from my experience people are going to hate it because people don't really care about privacy so much they really want their browser to work and if it starts breaking stuff they're going to switch right you know hope hopefully this like it seems like this wouldn't cause any breakages at all it would just it just really pisses off the companies that want to track you which I mean I think is a good thing it's just like this it's weird that it's taken this long for something like this to get put in Firefox but I've always thought it was wild that LibreWolf was the alternative it's like either you have a extremely convenient feature that you probably like everyone would want out of a browser like you want a site to remember where you were the last time you were like that's just it's a super convenient nice feature but your only choice is where you either have the feature and you get tracked all across the internet or you just don't have the feature yeah there's no middle ground right and that sucks because it'd be great to have just the good cookies and it's weird that like containers are not like a new idea so like it's to me it's weird that it's taken this long for it to get here but that's not me griping about it like I'm just happy it's here it's I find it weird that we had to wait so long for it I feel like the idea of containerizing a cookie to its tab is probably not a revolutionary idea it just I guess maybe it was very extremely difficult to implement which I mean I know nothing about developing a browser and from everything that I hear it's kind of remarkably hard so I'm gonna assume it has to be hard if I mean Mozilla employees 800 people so obviously they're having some difficulties you wouldn't think it would take that many people to develop a browser but what the hell do we know I think the Q browser guy that's just like one dude yeah so he uses somebody else's he uses well is that QT web engine or whatever so he's just somebody else's web engine so he doesn't have to do the hard part I don't know it's probably the only way he develops a browser it would be cool to be talented enough a developer to come up with a way to make like a new web browser like an actual new web browser but it it does seem like it's beyond like even big corporations so like Brave like no we're not making our own we're just gonna take Chromium Duck Duck goes like we're gonna do some other things I don't know what the hell we're gonna do but we're not making our own browser we're gonna confuse the hell out of everybody so you have to I'll say this like I know every time we talk about Mozilla we somehow come down and bashing them but it honestly surprises me that they've continued to use the their own web engine I would have thought that they would have just switched to Chromium I mean I'm glad that they haven't I'm not saying that they should abandon Gecko or whatever it's called I get what you're saying but I'm surprised in this day and age where it seems to be so hard to do this and it is obviously hard because Firefox has its own issues when it comes to rendering stuff so they obviously have some issues right I'm surprised that they haven't just said you know in script we're gonna take Chromium just like Microsoft did and we'll put our you know our skin on top of it and forward it from there because I'm glad they haven't but it honestly wouldn't surprise me if that happens eventually to be honest with you oh yeah in that way they probably will stop getting their hand out money from Google probably and then if they stop see the thing is if we stop developing their own web engine they won't have to employ 750 people most of those working on the web engine you know that yeah Internet Explorer died that happened after we chose these links I think but yeah if anybody's like I would love to know if there was actually anybody that was not in a clear company that was still using Internet Explorer you have that like one 95 year old grandmother who refuses to upgrade from Windows XP and is still using Internet Explorer 11 or something I don't know I with how broken Internet Explorer can be with the modern web I highly doubt anybody was still running it like who was not into computers just because of getting Internet Explorer nowadays to function on some websites is just as much of a headache as it is to install a different browser just use that just so many different websites that won't work on Internet Explorer anymore don't ask me how I know that because I don't even know how I know that I'm sure you're right because I mean they just killed it off so they were obviously still updating something I mean because honestly I saw that news I was like wait a minute Internet Explorer wasn't already dead like I thought we killed that thing years ago like I know that in Windows 10 at least you could still get to Internet Explorer like it still came pre-installed so that means that they were still expecting at least somebody to use it um kind of such a problem with Windows like they really like their old you see shit like they need to learn like they need to let it go you know they got that song going on the background let it go let it go please God let it go so yeah I wanted to say one more thing about Firefox I made a story about a story entry on YouTube about this but I've been having problems with Firefox again because for whatever reason I've turned off so I use the Mozilla account sync so I can sync between computers and my phone and it's great that's a great feature I think everybody should use it but one of the things that I have turned off there is the ability to sync the themes like I don't want my theme to sync from computer to computer because I use a different voice on every computer because of course I do but it ignores the fact that that's turned off so every time I get go get up to stand at the standing desk and use Firefox on that computer I come back to this computer and it's completely removed my theme it's frustrating the syncing is off I continue to do it the thing is I've been using Firefox now happily for a few months I was going through that period where I was looking for a new browser every week or so it was crazy how it was going through I was going through browsers like you go through Linux distributions it was nuts I've been using Firefox now for a few months no other browser is installed and it works fine but every once in a while some crops up why does it suck sometimes why can't you just fix the bugs stop introducing new features but anyways I'll stop complaining about Firefox now moving on for now I should say not forever I'm sure it will come back moving on to the main topic this week's topic I'm not sure who came up with any of these topics anymore we really haven't been paying attention to that we used to switch back and forth but anyways this week's main topic and the question that I've posed is, is canonical evil and I kind of want to actually expand this just a little bit to include Red Hat 2 because Red Hat gets just as much hatred as canonical does so but we can start off with canonical so for those of you who don't know if you're brand new to the Linux community you're like who the fuck is canonical canonical is the cooperation behind Ubuntu they do all of the Ubuntu stuff they are the primary sponsors behind the Ubuntu desktop and they develop a whole bunch of open source and non-open source software and their primary means of making money is through supporting Ubuntu on the server so that's how they make their cash for those of you wondering if the Ubuntu desktop is a profitable endeavor for Ubuntu no not even close, they make zero money on Ubuntu desktop I'm sure because every time you download Ubuntu from their site they take you to that donate page I'm sure there are some people who donate to that personally if I were going to donate to a Linux situation it would be one of the smaller ones but that's just me and some of that I think that kind of leads into I would never give money to canonical because they are a corporation and they make money I don't need to worry about them running out of money I have to worry about like Arch Linux or Elementorio running out of money so the question is canonical as evil as a lot of the people in the Linux community seem to think that it is, Tyler what is your answer no no, they're not evil they're just successful and successful and also extremely corporatized so they make decisions like a corporation that bite them in the ass like Microsoft is not nearly beholden to public opinion like canonical is I mean Microsoft has the advantage of they've kind of weaseled their way into being a central part of a lot of a lot of companies or people's computing experiences so like if they do something that you don't like you still might just have to put up with it because you need windows to do whatever or the company requires it or whatever so like they have that advantage where canonical just doesn't if you need to use Linux you don't need to use Ubuntu like that's not really a thing there's you can go somewhere else so if they do do something that bites them in the ass like I don't know making a deal with Amazon to give you Amazon search results in your own like launcher at everybody everybody hates well it's directly more like they notice the impact much more which I think is a good thing like that's not a bad thing that's a good thing but they don't have that advantage like Microsoft and so like whenever they do think like a corporation and make those those deals in the interest of money that could also ruin a relationship with the end user it's it actually affects them which is a good thing and it's much more public like in the FOS community we're much more vocal like where we may be a minority but we're a very vocal minority so you hear about their blunders much more than Microsoft because I mean it's just kind of a thing when there's a problem in Linux you hear about it more a good example of that is when they were going to drop the 32-bit libraries from Ubuntu and I was like what are you doing there Ubuntu that's pretty stupid how are we going to run steam games without 32-bit libraries you know what I mean I mean people freaked the fuck out about that without even realizing like you in starts Arch Linux you don't get the 32-bit libraries you have to enable that shit you know what I mean you have to go into pacman.conf and enable the multilibrate it's literally the same like Jentu you want to use 32-bit libraries you have to compile your kernel in order to actually do that like you have to set the use flags everything that you need to do in order to get the 32-bit stuff literally every other distribution like outside of like Fedora like any of the ones that you like build yourself or have any say in you know you have to pre-enable the 32-bit libraries yourself the only ones that come with 32-bit library stuff pre-enable is those ones that are built for you like Ubuntu and elementary OS and pop and stuff like that so that whole brouhaha when that came out like it was baffling to me but you're right when everybody freaked out about that they almost immediately backtrack like Microsoft because they have to like they are beholden to that public image much more than Microsoft is and I think also too that comes with that comes with or leads I guess into the other thing that I was going to say about how they're different and how they're kind of held to a different standard if they're successful and once you're successful in the Linux space there's not nearly as much incentive for people to give you donation money just because it's a psychological thing like when people know that you're not hurting for money they're more likely to try and seek out other projects that are hurting for money that they like and so that that makes it to where by necessity canonicals like focus shifts from the actual desktop end users to their enterprise partners and like what's important to them what one can make them or their lives easier and I think that's really what makes the public perception of them being evil so popular is because they essentially for money and since their corporation for them to exist they have to get as much money as possible they end up focusing on the side of the public that's not that interested in how much money you're already making like end users are if you're hyper successful which I think everybody can say in the Linux space and canonical are definitely hyper successful you're not nearly as likely to start giving it money which means they by design get less and less focused on what you want as a desktop user like it's not that they don't care but they obviously have a higher priority elsewhere their focus is where the money comes from yeah and I think that leads into the idea that they're evil it's not that they're evil it's just that they have to have their priorities in a different place yeah the way shit works I don't think they're evil like long long story short I don't think they're evil I think because they're a corporation they from time to time make decisions in the interest of money that directly hurt them in a bigger way than it would something like Microsoft which again I don't think is a bad thing like that's a good that's not them being evil that just means they well obviously their corporation are made up by people people make mistakes and people can be dumb sometimes and so obviously a group of people which is what a company or corporation is they can also be stupid and make mistakes from some like from time to time and it ends up being more likely to cave to public backlash and public pressure just because there is so many other options in the Linux space and there's not that in the Microsoft world so when they start doing stuff that a large majority even if it's not the enterprise people but desktop users start freaking out over they have to take it with a much more productive mindset than Microsoft would because Microsoft I think we all know can ignore the shit out of what people think or what people have opinions on they'll just completely ignore it much easier than the enterprise Linux space will if a large majority of people are uproaring about something at least if they don't address it they are forced to acknowledge it's a problem and have to state what they either plan to do to fix it or why they don't plan on fixing it whether you like it or not Microsoft will just be like we didn't even know there was a problem I think that's it there's so much here that we could talk about because there's um first let me just address I think one of the reasons why they're more sensitive to public backlash is because a lot of their um a lot of their like support not necessarily monetary support but like developer support comes from the community when you make your developers unhappy you you're going to have a hard time keeping a project that is as big as Ubuntu going because a lot of the open source stuff that Ubuntu utilizes to be Ubuntu comes from outside of canonical you know GNOME being one of those like the biggest one you know what I mean there are many other examples of that so when your developers throw a hissy fit about something you're going to listen and one of the things because the developers in the open source community are much more entrenched I mean like every developer who develops open source software and Linux software just as much a member of the Linux community as you or I are they're just like us contribute stuff other than a podcast you know what I mean they have this they're members of the community therefore they hear just as much of the criticism and stuff like that and then when they make a a noise about something that Ubuntu does they're going to have to you know do something about it so I think that's one of the reasons but there's other things about this question to answer so I think the reason why this gets bandied about so much isn't because necessarily canonical itself is considered evil I don't think that very many people actually think that at all I think instead people have this idea that corporations themselves are inherently immoral because of their need to make money right the idea that they have to turn a profit each month somehow correlates into the idea that they're not the paragons of moral virtue that they should be because they're an open source company I mean that's the reason why people freak out because the snap store is not open source like they think that the canonical is this open source company therefore everything they should do should be open source that's the reason why people freak out about that right but there's this idea like I said that you're a corporation therefore you are you know not moral you're not part of the open source ethos you know what I mean it's all these things and red hat gets the same kind of thing because you know they're owned by IBM now but even when they weren't owned by IBM and they were just a standalone company they were still treated with this idea amongst a lot of people in the Linux community that because they were a corporation and they had ways of making money they were therefore not bearers of the interest of the Linux community like they're not out for the little guy anymore they're there for the corporate partners yeah I mean that's that's that's really true because and I I think especially with people who are like older than I am who have been entrenched in Linux for a long time I think that idea is very pervasive only because especially especially in the past there's been an active move by corporations that weren't open source against open source ideals FOSS ideals so I think by nature especially if you've been in Linux for long enough there is a healthy distrust of corporations entering into the FOSS community or corporations in the FOSS community themselves like it's not that there's a complete distrust of them but there's a at least a healthy amount of distrust for most people about the corporations in and around open source like actually somebody in chat said what triggers me from a Windows user is why it's always canonical that's evil and nobody's ever talking about red hat or open SUSE and like to I think there is a healthy distrust of all corporations that get involved in open source at least to some extent I think canonical gets most of the attention because for one they're what made desktop Linux popular and now since their focus is not on desktop Linux there's a lot of people that do have that healthy amount of distrust go well since they're not focused on the thing that doesn't generally provide them the most revenue then they must just be the soulless version of a corporation where they've just completely given up on making a good product that can be given out for free it's now just let's soak up as much money as possible let's do anything we can and everything we can to make a dollar and I understand that idea but I don't think it's really accurate like yes canonical has made some bad decisions in the pursuit of money but they don't typically double down on their bad decisions when everybody tells canonical that you've made a piss poor decision they do typically roll it back they just go back and I don't even think not something we go ahead I don't think it's even thinks about bad decisions because I don't I think that canonical could put together perfection like they could do make every decision correct and there'd still be a significant portion of the Foss community that would distrust them because their corporation we know that this is the truth because the same thing happens to the red hat people and the person who said that in the chat about why red hat doesn't get the same thing they do we can like seriously just look at system D okay developed but mainly by the red hat corporation and there is a very small but vocal part of the Foss community that absolutely despises system D like they hate it like same thing with Paul I mean literally you can name the technology that we use system D pulse audio pipe wire Wayland you know I'm like many GNOME like literally all these things developed by the fedora and red hat guys right and every single one of them has a small but vocal community that is absolutely hates those things because they're developed by red hat you know I mean and it's the same thing with Ubuntu they develop things like you know Ubuntu the Ubuntu desktop they have all these different flavors and they have different underlying technologies that they've developed over the years you know and like Tyler you like you said Ubuntu may like with the thing that gets me about this whole conversation right whether you're talking about canonical or red hat doesn't really matter this whole idea that these two corporations like it's red hat and canonical without either these two corporations and their money desktop Linux would not exist well excuse me it would exist but it would be 20 years behind you know I mean it'd still be still be in the 1990s you know or the early 2000s in terms of you know the reason why like we bet you about audio a lot on this on this podcast but the reason why audio is as good as it is on Linux is because of Ubuntu and red hat you know and the reason why you can capture a screen on your Linux desktop is because of the work of these companies you know every single piece of the GNU slash Linux you know thing that we all love and enjoy would has been touched by these two companies and it's like I don't want to say like oh yeah well because canonical and red hat do these things they're saints or whatever they are flawed corporations like Tyler said there's a ton of you know examples where canonical and red hat made the wrong decisions that's just I mean they're made up of people people are inherently not perfect you know not even close right and they're going to make crap decisions you know from time to time so the thing I don't want to like say well they've done all the stuff for like the out of the goodness of their heart no they're still like the developers behind system D you know at least now aren't doing continuing their work because you know it's the best thing for like the people it's not all altruistic it's because it supports you know rel or something like that you know same thing with the development of you know pipe wire and Wayland and stuff like that well that is the future of the Linux desktop it's also being developed with the thought in mind that this can help push the future of Linux in the enterprise you know it's yes there is capitalistic ideas behind a lot of the development of these tools so it's not all altruistic in that sense but it benefits the greater desktop Linux desktop community and the idea that I know I posed the question are they evil is canonical evil and I think that's the question that gets asked a lot but I don't think that you can say any of that is evil unless you consider all capitalistic ideas evil you have to just kind of you have to kind of think that you have to take the evil word out of it it's about morality you know I mean it's not about are they out to get you and you can talk about is Google evil that's a good conversation you know I mean is Microsoft evil that's good conversation I don't think when it comes to canonical or red hat that it actually plays that much role because I feel and maybe this is just my optimism and you know happiness of being part of the community but I feel that canonical and red hat they're much more it feels like they're invested in making the Linux community and the open source community better because they not only do that does their business rely on it but because that's what they were founded on you know they're not like Microsoft where they they built their empire on proprietary software and doing all the stuff to make as much money and get as big as possible that's not how canonical was started canonical was started because they were started inside the foster community and everything that they do for the most part you know kind of bleeds into all of that stuff and it just it makes the feel of that corporation different than something like Google or Microsoft right it just makes it feel like they're more moral now it doesn't mean that they're always that way I think you hit the head on the nail when you said altruistic because I think that's really what it is is people have this idea that these companies should be more like ideal idealistic like they are or like just they should be more like I guess there's for a lot of people there is not for a lot of people but I'm pretty sure most of us have probably talked to this person but I know I have definitely come across the person who is very very idealistic which is not a bad thing but they're very idealistic and there's that if you're hyper idealistic there is an aversion to things that are coming out of straight like profiteering just like wanting money I think there's a drive for some people to want these FOSS corporations to be as idealistic as some of the people or themselves in the FOSS community and I don't think that everyone's this way or that a large amount of people are but there's definitely those idealists that want Ubuntu or excuse me canonical red hat OpenSUSA to be more idealistic instead of obviously a company that's driven by money not just by spreading ideals and while I understand how you can think that way I don't think it's very beneficial I think it's good to have a company that is just still a company trying to make money but is more beholden to what people think about it just because of the nature of what it is if you're a FOSS project you have alternatives but by definition what you are anybody can fork you anybody can have an alternative to what you are and I think that means that by that design even a company even something that's profit driven is more beholden to what people think about it because if you have alternatives if you have options that you can use in your use case then you don't have to use it so as a company if you're still profit driven you still have to care about what people think about it good example of that is CentOS when they change to CentOS stream a lot of people said what the hell this is not the way I want to use CentOS so it was forked into Alma Linux and Rocky Linux and now those things are popular again that's the way people are using those so that's a good example of that the last thing I wanted to talk about we're not going to get into politics so we won't get into that stuff but one of the things that I just maybe it's a little naive of me I'm just being completely naive and over optimistic idealistic as you put it but I don't think it doesn't feel to me that canonical is in it for the money hold on a second I know that they're in it for some money but I don't think that they're in it to make the most money if they were in it just for the money they had no other motives other than to make the most money they would have went IPO years ago they would have went public years ago and that's how because that's how you make money that's the reason why Red Hat was so much bigger in terms of money than canonical is so for example hopefully my example here is going to plan out but canonical employs 505 people I'm very curious how many Red Hat employs they started out as they employ 19,000 people so there's a little bit of a difference there you know what I mean and you gotta remember Red Hat went public a long time ago and they made more money right that's the reason why they were able to get bigger than canonical has so it feels to me at least in terms of canonical the canonical argument is that Mark Charlworth and the people who run canonical have completely different goals than a corporation would have because they obviously do want to make money but it's not their sole focus because if it was like I said they would have went public they would have gotten to if they went public they'd be worth 10 times more than they are right now their revenue in 2020 was $141 million they would have made a lot more than that they'd went public a couple years ago or whatever I completely agree with you I think they have been smart with it they're obviously a company they pursue money but they're not I think they've been smart in not letting the pursuit of money make bad potentially bad business decisions because when you go public you're beholden to like shareholders and investors and essentially if there's a way that you could have made more money but you didn't do it and if you can't prove that having made that more money would have cost you more revenue down the line in public perception or whatever if you can't prove that then you essentially legally have to do what you need to to make that extra cash no matter how immoral it is because when you go public you're beholden to your shareholders 100% beholden to your shareholders it's one of the reasons why Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that they have to have these obligations to their shareholders I think that's definitely one of the reasons that Canonical has gone public and that means cause a good example is if they were a publicly traded company and with the Amazon deal cause I'm sure they stood to make quite a bit of money off of the Amazon for that so when the public backlash came out about that there's a good chance that they even if they did roll back on deploying it, it probably could have taken much longer because essentially on their end there's a very good chance that they might have to prove that they're even able to do that because as a publicly traded company if you stand to make money doing something and you choose not to do it there's a big you open up a big legal liability for you and with Canonical never going public it means that they have the right to make those kind of business decisions that might hurt them in the short term but definitely help them in long term perception and potential revenue if we're being honest on the desktop if every time you installed Ubuntu still to this day every time you wanted to search for an application you got Amazon search results I don't know that Ubuntu would be where it is still today I think much fewer people would still be using Ubuntu not because people don't use Amazon but I mean it's just you're in the Linux space free and open source semi-privacy focused having Amazon I know some people really cared about the Amazon icon on the desktop a lot of people really cared about that but they had that thing on there for 10 years then they were still growing a lot at that point right did they grow more? the desktop icon is different than having literally every time you search for a file or an application on your system it pull up Amazon search results I understand why people were really not okay with that one but getting upset that they had a essentially a hyperlink Amazon come on man that's so easy to remove you shouldn't even be talking about it like it's fine but I don't know some people got really upset about that which I don't understand but I can definitely understand the search thing that one was a little bit stretchy but that's the thing with the public backlash they roll back on it public companies it's really hard to say whether or not they can do that and that's probably why it takes Microsoft so long as a publicly traded company to do something about a problem that they're having because they also license like with your Microsoft license like you essentially have like warranty and like a legal way of going after them should they not hold up their end of the deal which is providing you a working operating system like for them to roll back or change things based off of public backlash like it actually takes them time to do it especially if it's a monetary deal so I may be wrong in my knowledge like it's 100% possible I don't deal in stocks and bonds and I don't own corporations you know any of that kind of stuff right but I think that when you're a public company everything you do has to be in the goal of making the shareholders more money that's a legal thing that you have to do that's the reason why when Facebook decided they were going to spend $10 billion on their metaverse stuff right they had to show their shareholders that this thing here yes we're spending a lot of money on it any money on it for a long time but it's going to eventually be profitable that's the whole thing of a business right what would worry me if Canonical ever went public which I think they probably will is how do they justify the Ubuntu desktop because the Ubuntu desktop is never ever going to make them money like the public facing Ubuntu desktop well make them enough revenue to justify how much work they put into it because it definitely does make money but not enough probably to justify how much work they put into it I don't know if you can really say that it does make I mean because and I'm talking about the actual desktop like the GNOME desktop when you boot into the latest version of Ubuntu I don't know how because the vast majority of actually all of their revenue other than donations comes from the enterprise and I mean I'm sure there's some corporations out there that actually use Ubuntu desktop so you're probably right it does make some money in that sense but I think that the number of corporations that actually use Ubuntu desktop is probably pretty really freaking small the vast majority of people who use Ubuntu are using it on servers which is completely headless right that doesn't come with GNOME or anything like that so I don't it would be interesting to see how they would justify the continuing existence because that probably I mean yes it probably does bring in some money but you're right the amount of effort and development you know development most likely all donations that Ubuntu receives based just like just from their website or however they take their donations which I think it's through their website whatever I would assume those like donations would fall under like the desktop Ubuntu desktop revenue like what it brings in but even if we're being honest most likely the amount of revenue that they get through their website and just end user regular joshmo donations probably pays for one developer in an entire year probably may be an expensive developer maybe almost two developers I don't know but I would assume it's probably one to two developers is what it pays for and I can pretty much guarantee you Ubuntu has more than just one dude who works on their Ubuntu desktop project like there's definitely more than just one guy who's like oh yeah the next Ubuntu desktop release is done I finished it up there's Travis Ravin or however you say his name told us to stop speculating like if we stopped speculating on this podcast we wouldn't have a podcast half this podcast is speculation and you kind of have to because there is no you can't just iron it down you have to speculate at some of this stuff cause they just don't have it publicly available they're not a publicly traded company they have employees they have but we don't know what those employees are doing for all we know half of them are probably trying to make the firefox snap faster and realizing that oops we can't you know so we don't really know what they're doing okay but I think long story short canonical is not evil they just they just are a company and that is that comes with a healthy amount of distrust inside of the linux community which is again healthy amount of distrust some people have just a distrust completely of companies in general but I think in the linux community you could definitely say that there is a general distrust of companies and it's a good thing especially in canonical's case cause it keeps them in check they actually because they do have easy competition if you have a problem with ubuntu even as a company worst case scenario you just move to something like red hat or open zoosa you can do that it's not a non-option it's definitely available so I think by nature of them being a boss company they're not as evil as some people would like to think they are like they have to be a little bit more open to what the feedback is from the public so yeah I don't think they're evil I just think they make mistakes which I mean it's a company it's made up of people people make mistakes it is what it is I just think people get very hyper bollic about it well I the one thing I love about the linux community is that people care I mean people truly honestly there's a reason why there's a I use arts by the way people really truly love arts linux people really truly love gen 2 they get really very possessive of their linux distribution and I think that's a great thing I think that it does lead to some behavior from time to time it definitely does but I think that sense of ownership that you get by even just installing linux you're part of something now even if you don't contribute anything you're still a part of it and the more you get involved in the linux community whether it's just helping people or whatever the more that kind of sense of entitlement it's not really entitlement more the sense of belonging that you get kind of grows and when you have that sense of belonging and you're part of the linux community you feel like maybe your opinion doesn't matter a lot but you have the ability to voice your opinion and people list to it maybe you have a youtube channel or you talk in discord to people or you remember the forums or whatever you say something and people listen that a lot of the ideas and the reason why people care so much about the things that canonical does is because it feels like they're a corporation that is part of that community part of that you know thing that you have a part of and when you're a part of something you have really strong thoughts on it and especially when the corporation that you kind of want to look up to like I think a lot of people want to look up to canonical and when they make a poor decision that kind of it hurts right it makes you passionate about trying to say you know I don't really agree with this I want you to change it you know and some of that does come across as you know entitlement but some of it also is just because people care I mean they can people nobody yes people care about the changes that microsoft makes to like windows 11 like there was a big outcry over a lot of the changes that mic in windows 11 right but there's a difference because in the in the fos community when something is done to a project that you use you have the ability to influence the developer in a way that you don't have with Microsoft Microsoft is going to do the thing that they want to do absolutely no matter what okay they want windows 11 to look like this way and and function this way and that's the way it's going to be you don't like it go use a macintosh or go use linux right that's their thing right they're never going to change the thing is with the reason why canonical is you look up to canonical because when you and like every fos developer because you can interact with them like you can talk to people who are at canonical right now a lot of them are very active on twitter and forums and stuff like that and they because you can talk to them they are influenced way more than Microsoft ever will be by the community and that's just the case that's just the way it is and that's what makes it kind of special and why it's also why it makes it so disappointing when they make a decision that's going to you know negatively affect the community so to answer the question no I don't think they're evil I just think that they're more susceptible and more part of the community than Microsoft ever would be so anyways that is the main topic I don't I think I'm honestly surprised at how much we actually managed to get out of that topic so I'm pretty happy with that so moving on to the last section which is creatively named I think it's very creatively named the thingy of the week now we could have called this anything we could have called this pics of the week apps of the week it still says apps of the week and the the docs actually but we call that the thingy of the week so Tyler what is your thingy of the week well mine is something that probably people are going to just rage at so I'm just going to be prepared for this so I've been checking out Google Stadia and GeForce Now and I'm going to go ahead and say GeForce Now does not work on OpenBSD can't get GeForce Now working you should use a real operating system I've been checking out Google Stadia and it's kind of freaking awesome it's real good I I really hate it because I'm torn because of how I hate it because it's good if that makes any sense I hate it because it's not like GeForce Now where it's my own steam library I have to purchase games from them or I can pay $10 a month and I can just get a shitload of free games given to me each month and then I can buy the ones that I don't have or whatever but I have to build up an entire separate library in Google Stadia which is just no I'm not paying for games separately thanks buddy you get them I've actually really liked Google Stadia it's working extremely well and they've got a crap load of games so yeah if you have good internet but you don't have a really nice computer and you've tried GeForce Now and it didn't work great give Stadia a try I'm not saying buy it because you don't have to if you want to play just in your browser check it out see how it works or just get to play some free games that you might not have if you go to Stadia's website and then click on games they will give you like 6 to 10 games that you can just play they'll give you a lot of time and you can just play them essentially for free for a lot of time and have some fun so yeah at the very least as long as you've got good internet and you've wanted to try it out give it a shot because you came for free it's pretty nice I like it I use Stadia like one or two times I think but you know me I'm not much of a gamer so my thingy of the week is actually one that I've used before so I know you're thinking about it you're recycling things but it's different because it used to be called keymapper and it will allow you to remap buttons on your keyboard or your mouse or whatever and it was good but now it's actually called input remapper and it's expanded beyond just your keyboard and mouse it can literally do anything that's attached to your computer as long as it recognizes it and you can assign any of those buttons that you have so it has a much broader range of hardware that it will recognize which is cool and I've been using it now because I've been I talked a couple weeks ago about how I started to use the elicum huge, the trackball again and I'm still on it, actually I mean it's really good I hated it first, I talked about it on the podcast a few months ago when I first got it I did not like it because it was not accurate but I've been using it now and it's broken in and it's really good but it has three extra buttons on it that you they're like function buttons and you can assign those to things but obviously because I'm on Linux you don't have like access to the software or anything input remapper allows me to remap those buttons so I've remap them to like OBS short keys which is cool so I can just put these little buttons and the only problem I have it doesn't work all that well as a service so it does come with a like a system deservice and it's supposed to start up with your computer it doesn't really work so you actually have to start up the program every time you restart your computer in order to get the key bindings to register which is disappointing but other than that it's really kind of good so if you want to add layers to your keyboard and you don't have access to the Windows software this would be really good that's input remapper the links to all that stuff will be in the video description coming up next week I'm actually sure what we're going to be talking about next week I think we're going to be talking about containers so we're going to be really nerdy about containers next week so that should be fun so anyways before I go I should take a moment to thank my current patrons which I can do by running this really cool video here if you want to support me on Patreon you can do so at patreon.com I really truly do appreciate all of you who support me on Patreon and YouTube I can't even begin to say how much I truly appreciate all the support that you guys have given me over 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