 Welcome to Toffee TV, this is the final words ever to nil. Manchester City 2, this video is sponsored by One Football. One Football's app makes it easier to find all the latest stats, scores and all the latest news in one place to download the One Football app. Click the link in the description. Jo, I've seen you up good a sun last night with your man City Topper. I've seen you, you're full full. You had the sunglasses and everything. When I got off a cake, they were the ones that I wanted to smash them. But beforehand, was it like, I don't know, I was so unsure. Mix the emotions. Yeah, it definitely makes emotions, yeah. Do you want to buy a job, by the way? You've just told people you had a city kit on, with Chinese and everything. Start the thing the right way. I've seen the picture on social media with the boss of the city kit. Well, well, well, well. It was next to you. What did I have on? An evidence of. The city was next to you. You got set up, didn't you? No, it's changed. It's just changed. It's not a weirdo at the studio, is it? You know what it's about. Listen, if stuff like that you know who's meddling and who's behind it. It's like the pesky kids off Scooby, do. Yeah. Yeah. The caretaker is. It's not a. Yeah, another defeat. Yeah, but I suppose. I suppose, you know, the manner of the way we played last night gives fans a little bit of comfort because we actually had players who tried and run round and looked like they were putting a shift in for the, you know, for the team for the fans and for the manager. Yeah, give some fans comfort. Others don't want the comfort. I don't think. But again, it's your own, isn't it? Yeah, just thought. All right. All right. I would look at this. Hey, what did you expect before the game and what did you actually get? So after Wolves, I was worried that with half an hour to go against Wolves, we showed absolutely nothing. There was no fight. There was no wall. There was no one prepared to take a chance. It was like he couldn't get off the pitch quick enough. So you're playing against the Wiconshire, the best team in the country, you know, with loads of ability to carve your opening, your looking and thinking these could be five this because Wolves had scored three and blah, blah, blah. And, you know, obviously, Michael Shield made changes and the players come out and battle for every ball I thought and, you know, showed a lot of desire, showed a lot of fight. And listen, you can't hit the crowd. The crowd's reaction tells you what the team did. So people can be angry and be on social media and say, we've lost this, we've lost that, we've lost the other ball. The crowd, the fans who were in the ground last night, I'd say all of them virtually were behind the team and let the team know they were behind them and back them and appreciated their efforts. OK, we lacked quality, but fighting, battling and committing and showing that they actually cared about the shit. I thought that was all on show last night. Yeah, we've had plenty, we've had plenty of quality in the side recently, but if it can't get results and it doesn't work out, then what's the point? You know, last night, he changed it up a little bit, but John Joe Kenny arrived back, but Tom Davies in midfield made him the captain. You know, Dominic was up front and I thought those three players led the charge for this last night. Not saying they were brilliant in terms of technically being brilliant, but what has the alternator been recently? The alternator has been players that are on paper, are supposed to be better players. Yeah, I've not worked hard, I've not set the tone and I thought those three players last night. Tom Davies, he was excellent, but he typified what it was to be a captain last night. That position is what I feel his position is and this is what I think has gone missing in the last two years. For me, he's always been the tip of a three in midfield or not a split striker because he hasn't only got the technical ability to be considered a striker, but he's the one who's got to be pressing from the front. If you're going to play a high pressing game, which we were supposed to be, and we were up till December, you've got to have someone going from the front, hit the center forward and the one behind them, working from the front, and I thought Tom did that for me last night. For everyone, he doesn't think he's good enough. I think last night he showed that he is good enough, he's just been far too consistent in the last couple of years, but I've always thought that's because when he plays in that deeper role, he just gets lost in the game and his passing might be up to the levels that he gets. He tries to play forward, doesn't he? He does, but I think it's lost there. I don't think he's got the technical ability to play in that role. In that role, someone like a Gomez. It's all about getting the ball and giving the ball and then getting it back and being comfortable. Tom, I think, is far too aggressive in his manner. He wants to get it and then find the forward pass straight away, and a lot of the times it gets cut out, and because of where he's playing, that leads them to get on the charge then, and I think that role is where he's much more suited. Is he got a long team, creating the evidence team, playing that role? I don't know, but I know last night, and maybe for some part of the rest of the season, that should be where he is played. But he was making runs past Calvert Llewam last night, wasn't he? Davies and that old James van Sigurdsson, come on. Yeah, because he wants to, he wants that, I'm saying. When you do that for the back, I think he's running then to an area of the park where he's not needed or to somebody else, so he's suited to that role and he's got so much energy about him that that's where I think he helps most. Getting on centre backs, okay, maybe not the Man City centre backs, just so comfortable on the ball, but other centre backs of other teams are not going to be as comfortable, and if he does that against the likes of Wofford centre backs on Saturday, he's going to get change out of them. He's going to get change out of them, and I think we're far too keen to judge young players on when they come in maybe too quick on whether they're going to be the next big thing, but also when they have a dip. Listen last night was one performance, but I think that and Huddersfield, when Huddersfield he played in a similar position, didn't he? He played in a similar position, where he's then on Saturday against Wolves, he's dropped steeper and I can't understand why anyone thinks that that's his role, because it's not his position. As far as I'm going to be. He's way too aggressive for it, isn't he? I think he can play there, but then I think he needs someone ahead of him, who's equally mobile. Sigurdsson's not mobile, you know? No, he's not. So, if Gilffy's going to play, he's going to play where Gomez plays, but then Gomez moves the ball quicker than Sigurdsson, but I don't know it, it's a conundrum because you haven't got, you're right, when Davis doesn't play there and Gilffy plays there, there's no movement. He's just, you've seen it last night when he came on, he's very static and I see he doesn't run around because he does, but it's not the same way and he doesn't transition the ball as quick as Tom. No, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Tom's much more positive isn't he, in the way he plays the ball I think? I think he's just youthful, so it's just get it forward, there's the pass. And he can see if he's seen that last season with the Nias, when Nias coming to the team, the goal against Bournemouth, that's just dissected them. We need that, you know what I mean? We need that enthusiasm and energy, but then again he's got to produce that level, he's set his benchmark last night. The same as John Joe Kenny and the same as Dominic Calvert-Lewis, and if they fall below that, they can't moan if they're not in the team. What I would say about Guilfee is, to be honest, I'm not writing them off and there'll be a lot of people out there watching and you'll say, look at the chances he's creating, look at the chances he's goal, scored. That's a very good idea. I think if you were to put, if you were to say put Lacharcu in when he was at Everton with Guilfee Sigarton, Guilfee Sigarton would look up there. I think some of his passers-at-times look worse than they are because we don't want to centre forward, he appreciates them and I think he would work so much better with a mobile striker. I think one of Guilfee's problems is that we don't have that striker at Everton, that will make that run that Guilfee Sigarton can find a lot of the time. So it's almost like a team one step back for us by not having Guilfee in the team. I still think he's massively capable. Honestly, I think if Guilfee went to a club with him as that kind of striker, I think you'd get a lot more out of him or we had a top striker. It's just that this is where we are, this is where we are, this is where we are with a lot of, people will say last night, all they did was try and work hard. We've seen the quality, the quality isn't prepared to work hard and at the moment we need performances where our players just dig in. Because when you look at the teams we've lost to in this run, okay there's some good teams in there but there's also some absolute dross. That if we just match them, that's like a Brighton and a Leicester, you know if we've gone into those games and really just said, we've said this on every single video we've done. If we've gone into those games going up to date we're going to match you and then that little bit of quality we have, whether it's on the pitch or comes off the bench, we'll beat you. That's what we are at the moment and it's all right to you now, we're nowhere near city and we're nowhere near city but at the moment that's not the task, the task isn't jumping from one to ten. The task is going up through the levels and this is a long term process. It is but you've got to get the basics right first and this is what I've always had, this is the problem that I've had with not only Sylver but with Cooman and Martin as I've had this problem with them. Where it's like if you need a game where you go today you're just going to have to battle, we don't have it in us. Where as last night I thought well we had a little bit more of that and you know you just mentioned John Jo Kenny, he was another one, he came into the team last night and I thought he was brilliant. I think he deserved to be in the side after what he'd done at left back in the last couple of weeks and I just thought he'd typified that performance. He didn't give sign a kick, he was always face to the ball, he made sure if he didn't get the ball. What he did was, he made sure that, and this is basically what we're talking about when we talk about the set pieces is, he made sure that if he didn't win the ball the player he was up against didn't have an easy free header and that's all it takes sometimes, if you go into a 50-50 and you're not going to win it, you don't give him a free line, you just get into it. So if he does win the header, the fellow next to you just picks it up, that's basic football defending if you don't give anyone an easy time of it. So I thought he did his job, he did all that going forward as well. I thought Garno was very professional last night considering the move that went on. I don't think he's that type of player. Apparently he was coming out, he was angry and stuff like that. That performance didn't show that one bit. At the end of the day he can't go nowhere, can he? No, of course. So basically the best thing he can do is play for the move, play well for Everton and then save their ancestors against the summer. At the end of the day, if he wants to be angry, he should be angry with PSG for leaving it until the last minute. So he really wants it. He'd have come in mid the money when he first got broke. I don't think he'd have any issue with Garno, I think Garno just will play his game and do his job until he's not angry and then he goes somewhere else. He did play well last night. I think most of the players played well last night. I think there was probably only going over, but it was probably Theo who didn't really hit his level. Everybody else I thought of the goal. Would you say Zermer? I thought Zermer thought the goal was shocking. I thought he'd done alright. I thought we started well. It was a strange atmosphere in the ground. So five minutes before kick-off, the place looked empty and then it filled up and it was quite subdued. City got on the ball, which you'd imagine and dominated the ball. They just didn't do that much with it. I know they hit the bar and they had a couple of little bits and bobs, but I thought we grew and I thought what you see was the tactic started to come out. Trying to get on the break, trying to get Dom into the channels. I thought the crowd responded. I thought once the game got going, any of this notion of Everton fans wanting them to win and we've seen loads of lies on the picture. That's the daily mail I've reported that Everton fans wanted. We're celebrating. There's no celebration at the moment. I thought that was there. It's a blats ball. I thought we got into it and we started to make a couple of chances, but I had that header that was just pushed wide by the defender. We got into the game and I thought we were very competitive. It's so annoying. I think maybe one of the part-parties don't have your game mail. It's almost that idea that we were at Gooderson recently. The owners is on us and it's slow, but last night because we were defending a lot more, there was more aggression because we had to have aggression because we were up against Man City, we were up against a team that could move really, really well. We had to have discipline and aggression because we were up against such a good team. I don't know whether that brought that more aggression out of us, but the fact that we didn't have the ball that much actually helped us in the same way last night, I thought. I think he got his tactics right. The players done what was asked of them. They filled in for each other and they pressed brilliantly. That was Dave's set the example with that. There was a couple of times we almost nicked the ball off the back foot, you know, stoned it a couple of that. That's the main thing. You gave it as well, though, Edison. He was flapping a little bit. There was one where if Gomez would have hit it, the move it needed to be straight away, and by the time he did it, he'd laid it off, shied and the referee pulled it back. The referee was absolutely atrocious as well. We nicked the ball a couple of times on the edge of the day, but he'd give free kicks that one anyway. So I thought we'd done OK there, obviously, a big threat. What I thought was good was that, like, was Calvert-Lewin deciding to knock it past the defending run after him because he had the pace. And he got in a couple of times and his cup backs just went right, but he worried them and I was thinking to myself, what, you know, this is what you should be doing to everybody. These are the crème de la crème. So if you were doing this to Wolves and you were doing this to Waffford and Sal Dancer, you'd have destroyed them. You play every week because, you know, I've been critical of them because I think it doesn't possess a great goal threat. But if he's a handful like that, other people will score the game. That comes from aggression now. Dominic Calvert-Lewin knows that when he plays Man City, he always gives them a game, always. So he should give everybody a game. I think the same for Tom Day. That's in his head that he knows that he'll give them a game, he'll run them. He did it last year. He scored against them this season. He knows that he will run them. And you're right. If he did that in every single game, showed that aggression, run from the front. And again, this might be a fact that he didn't have to, we didn't have the ball that much last night, so we had to do it. And because they sent him out to do the ball quite a lot, there's always that. And if Tom pushes up, then suddenly we're pressing the back. But he looked more dangerous, basically going from our half. So when teams come to Godderson, that's when we can draw them out and then play one in the end. Is that because last night Silver had to abandon his typical tactic, because he needed to run off the ball. So we went back to basics and because we went back to basics and because that was the tactic to go back to basics, everyone was a little bit more comfortable with that and just did their jobs. Well if that's the case, then he needs to be bright enough to look and go right. We need to make sure. I swear this now until the summer. That's ultimately the way I want to play. There's the best version of it in front of your eyes last night. With the players that I've got. The opposition we played last night, they draw you in and they just go and they're up the pitch. They're not afraid to roll it back and for Edison, the amount of time he smashes it long is incredible for a team who plays the ball. Why can't we do that? So we have to be... We've done a video about trying to become athletic home. What we should be now is Manchester City Light. So we should be, we'll play some of that. But you know what, next time. Whatever. But I'm saying, you can play that nice little passion moving football. But don't be afraid to turn the defenders. Because if you mix stuff up, I think before a mix of... I think the difference is that if you really want to talk about the differences between the teams on night and day, let's get that right. But I think one of the main differences is that when their players have the ball, if you want to talk about who will Manchester City Light I think at the moment, we played them on Saturday. What I'm saying is Wolves are brilliant on Saturday. What they did really well was and this is why I'm saying what Manchester City is, they knew when to go long and when to go short and there wasn't any deliberation in it. And last night, that's again, that's part of our game is, we have too many times you can see the cogs ticking and players' heads. Should I pass it to him? It's not off the cuff, is it? It never feels off the cuff with us. No one ever goes, make that run. I've seen it on Saturday with Wolcott and I know people might not like him. But the man to time, he wants over the top and nobody gives him it. So is he going to stop doing that? Players have to get in today, don't have enough to get on the show and go nine times out of ten I'm going to go and never get the ball. I'm going to be prepared to do it over the top and that's what, there isn't that in our team, there's just not that enough of that bang, it's gone. Bang, it's gone. Where is there last night? It was almost like they've got signals. That's coaching, that's working, that's playing. It is, you're talking about when you watch the city though. That's what he's doing every day. That's what he's doing every day. When they keep it getting, when they keep it getting, they know where it's going because he's such a good passer. Remember the same toss and goal against Palace at home? He just knocks it over the top, same toss and then on goal. But that's what I'm saying. With them it felt, it's so, it's like sat in his boat. It's wake, it's what if you had a cup of pepper four months, five months into it. That's what I'm talking about. What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is though that's one of the parts of our game that's got to get better is just that knowing get faster in the play. Try something, if it doesn't wake, it hasn't wake, but then least the player will go, how's he going to do that again, is he? I'll go for that one. We even had the situation last week where it was the first half, we got a throw in. Swice and Dean and King came, King and Zuma came up with it. Something he started doing, Dean started doing. Long throw and he'd be getting a throw lick on. That's what I'm thinking. So you were like, alright, there's a little bit of a mix then. Dean started the free kick move. Dean started doing that. It's just getting all of that stuff. Dean started it in the long run. We got to the end of the half. It was only a minute, wasn't it? On the board. And so on. We gave a free kick. We gave a stupid free kick away again. Stupid free kick. And you felt the ground then, didn't you? Well, it's not even that though. Listen, it's not about that. It's a given another free kick away because if you want to defend them, don't give them away. It's not even that though. It's concentration. It's almost like when that ball goes up, everyone shuts off. You play the game to the whistle. It's an unnecessary free kick to give away this. It is, but it's not about being unnecessary. It's about being in the right place. That free kick has been given away in the 46th minute. And part of that is because the brains are elsewhere. They're thinking about, oh, we've done this already. We've got three of this. The free kick, again, there's nothing fancy about it at all. There's nothing. He does a little stop. There's a little stop to it. It shouldn't move anybody. It's up, it has to be. And then he flouts it in. And again, it's like Saturday. I'm looking at Zoom. I look at Coleman. I just watch Zoom. And you're looking at them. This idea of nothing's instinctive. Zoomer is almost trying to make sure he's in the right place without actually reacting to the ball. And that's criminal. That shows to me that they're not working on it enough. It's not getting drilled into them every single day enough. And the players are not taking it on board what they should do. The first thing that Zoomer should be looking to do is win that ball. Simple as that. And when that ball lands on the porter's head, it's not only him. Every one of our players is on the ground. I was that acceptable for every single player to be on the ground and what they play get a free header. It's not even a difficult header because he's just bumped into the corner one nail and never been undone again. Help me up, Baz, come on. I don't know what to say to you. The centre-back doesn't want to go on at the ball. So you can blame everybody else who doesn't get off the floor but he's the fella closest to K3, me. Here's the ball. People talk about Zonal. We played against the team last night. You played Zonal. And they just literally attack every ball. That's personnel though, isn't it? That's personnel. We've had very little band-aik in our centre-backs last night. It was a bit of a different story. It's gone unwonderful. It's a lack of aggression. It's unacceptable in the back line. I honestly don't know whether... and I can't say it because we don't do it but if he mants a man it makes much difference because if you're not going to go and win the ball just because you're picking a man up, why would you go and win it anyway? That was the thing for me. If you stay in the zone, someone runs in behind you, whatever, you can maybe go, you know, you can make excuses but they're not reacting. Coleman and Retialys on Saturday stood still and it rall him and has run into an area there, didn't it? Why? If he's running, why aren't you doing anything? Last night, it wasn't even that. Walter's free kick was better than that one last night. That was just a float of ball in and zoom in. Get the wrong side. If he jumps as well, then Le Porte's thinking he might flatter me. He might close his eyes and it might loop. But he stays in standard and just goes, oh, go on then. How many times in 40 have you jumped or someone's jumped in front of you? You can't help but close your eyes. Sometimes it's 50 pence. It's just too easy. I mean, Gomez is there as well. He should do a lot better. The way I always... Is job as a centre. Is to go and win the ball. The way I always got taught about it when I was playing was you'd have one in front and one behind you. Or you'd have a screen. And you have the one behind. You can see what's going on. We just don't react to anything. Zoom in there. As soon as that ball is in the air, zoom it should be up in the air. And if he doesn't win it, at least Le Porte can't see or he's getting pushed in the back or Gomez is leaning on him. It's that lack of aggression. Wait, why hasn't he got a free header in terms of... There's no-one even there. The centre back should be there leaning. If you lean into... If I go to head of my leaning it's going to go bump over there. It's the lack of just... This is why it's bigger than just what we're playing. It's the aggression from the defenders to say, I'm going to win this. I am going to win this. That's where you need a leader. That's where you need a leader. Where the meaner will be that player. But this is where you need a big... Sometimes you just need a big shit-out at the back. So you just take someone out. You make the Gary Cale shout on that man. Gary Cale would have... Jack Yelchel would have done it. At times, not so he would do it now. What did the character do when he was the other night? I didn't say that. The character is a perfect example of a player who can take responsibility. And say, I'm having that. I'm having that. But it's context, don't you? It's the idea of going into training every day. You don't just do that when you're on the pit. You do that in training. You say to the manager, put me in a position where I can affect this. When Moise was the manager he understood corners. Most corners come in flat. Moise used to put Leacars in the post. He used to say to Leacars. Just winning at the source. So every ball coming to the box and Leacars used to burn them all the time. Moise did probably study the videos on how many corners come in. But when they come in high we've got centre backs we'll deal with them all day long. So let's cut it out at the source. Leacars in the post. Zono bang every time it worked. But that's because he had centre backs he didn't have to worry about. But it needs someone to be in training and want to deal with this for your boss. Put me in an area where I'm almost not marking anyone and I'm not normally marking and I'll go and I will find that ball for you. We don't have anyone who wants. No one in our team likes to defend. I'm sorry, John Joe Kenney might actually like defending. He looks up for it. He's not asking about attacking and stuff like that. He wants to defend. He wants to fight. He wants to get into people. But I don't think we've got anyone any of our centre. I don't know about me here because I've not seen enough of them. But I want to see someone who's like, I'll fucking die not to concede. If we win 5-1 and we concede I'm going home when happy. That's what I want and I don't think I'm not sure we've got anyone at the club. And sometimes those players don't have to be the most elegant players in the world or anything. They just need to be someone who wants it. And it's been a while since we've had that kind of player. Distance character was a bit like that. But it's almost like it's building the partnership as well and going, this is our job. If we don't concede, that's as good a score because I know he's good. That's why fucking Lycarchy used to always be fuming. If you're like, I've just scored this, scored that goal and you're letting these in. This whole Williams Lycarchy thing are all set. It is this idea of doing your fucking job. I'll probably write that thing. I'll say, what have you done for me lately? But it's that idea of taking pride. If a goal goes in like that, you know, if I'm any player on that pitch and I know that that was K2 you got off to a man. What the fuck were you doing? What were you doing? You've got one job. I don't care that I'm upsetting them. I don't care. You've got one job and that's your job. But then at the moment I think the big problem with everything is is that who have you got to do that because that's the problem here. It's that nobody's doing a good enough job to take a man and probably take that responsibility. And that's where you need more leaders. That's where you need a captain. That's where you need a captain. That's where we are at the moment. But that's where we are at the moment. There's no... And I don't like what the manager said after the match. I don't know. I don't like... He's basically shit out of the question for me. I think he asked. I think he's shit out of the question. I'm sick of that. He's trying to get worries away from the fans. The worries they... We've conceded more goals in the Premier League than any other team. We're not blind. I know what... I want the manager saying this is not on now and they're going to know it. No. Stop talking about it like it's not happening. It is happening and watching. It's bad for me, Dave. And a lot of fans will interpret that. I can see what's happening. And that's the difference. I want the team winning and losing in some games. Those are set pieces. And I want the manager to be strong in a dress and go I've had enough of this now. I've had enough of it. I think he does recognise it. But I don't accept that as a fan. I don't accept that he backs off... What do you want to say then? I want him to say that. He batted off the pressman there by going Stop talking about it. Isn't that saying I'll deal with this? Say it then. Say I'll deal with this. Why really? What do you look like a tit anyway? Because he can't set up a team. The proof is in the pudding at every club he's been in. So we go... That's personal. It's not him. So three teams... Three teams... The whole players are shite. He had them a shite. Three teams. So he's been the manager of three teams. He's been the manager of three teams. He's not the place to do it. He's not the place to do it. He's not the place to do it. So is it Zonal. So Zonal's the problem. It's working hard. You're not a Finch fan. Why are you not... I can see it on the pitch. Exactly so. I don't want the manager to come out and say I'll stop talking about it. I'll stop making a big deal of it. I'll stop making a big deal of it. I'll address the elephant in the room. What could he have said? He did address it. He addressed it on the weekend. He addressed it at Millwall. So what could he have said that would have made it? So he goes... He's a joke. He's not going to say that. He's not going to say that. He's not going to say that. He's not going to say that. He's not going to say that. But I don't want him hiding. This is what I'm saying. For me, he's hit last night. He's gone. It's a major part of the game that is being overlooked. We're terrible. We're terrible at not only defending set pieces, but also using set pieces. It might be... It might be in set training. That the fucking ad players can't put corners in for ad defenders to fucking... That might be the big problem. If I set a tournament, we're not terrible at it. Then you could go and... I think the system is fine. I think we are. We're shocking attacking wires and we're renders. Defending it all out. We defended most of the corners quite well last night other than the very first one. When again, but then we didn't jump. But... I don't know what you want him to say last night. Other than... If he just said, yeah or no. I want him to answer the question. He went. We're not talking about it. We're not talking about it. He doesn't answer it though. He just bats it away. It's his responsibility as a manager to get to the bottom of this. There's no point. It's costing us every single game. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying to you. I honestly don't think he would have given you an answer that you would have been happy with. It's about batting away. For me, he's not taking responsibility. I don't hear any manager taking responsibility. I don't care about other managers. I care about this team and this manager. And I want him to take responsibility and come out and say whatever. I don't like that. It doesn't... We said about the other deck. You're talking to the fans. No, I know. But I still did answer the question. He said I will speak to it. What I say in private will remain in private. So, if he did just gone, I'm not talking about it. But he answered the question. He didn't? He basically said... Did he answer the question? He didn't answer the question. He was having none of it. And that to me is... He goes away and he works on that. He's not working on it. It's a personnel issue. That's what it is. The system is fine. It's all right. You make yourself look very serious. It's not the personnel. I think what Joe is saying is... that the system is fine. It's fine. You've just seen a team. The team is the best. We haven't got the personnel. We need personnel. We need personnel. We haven't got the personnel. We haven't got the personnel. So, if you haven't got the personnel. No, no. If you haven't got the personnel. Then you have to look. Now he has a philosophy. That's why we've appointed them. So, what happened to the philosophy last night? It was still there. That's his philosophy. He's not going to change it. Why should he go on? No, no. The philosophy wasn't there last night. Right? The philosophy wasn't there last night. Because if the philosophy was there last night. We would have just passed it round and tried to out pass city. We changed our tactics last night. Against Man City. It doesn't matter. You can't play something. You have to change. So last night we changed the way we played. Because we knew that we would get dicked by Man City. We tried to take them on. So we changed our set piece. So maybe we should have. Because we can see the more goals the manager likes. Go Man to Man. The manager will get the sack. The manager will get the sack. Ultimately. The manager will get the sack. He'll get the sack. It's on him. So he'll get the sack. The hierarchy have approved that. He'll get the sack. It's as simple as that. Mares got to two semi-finals. But because he couldn't defend. He got the sack. Because ultimately, if you can't keep clean sheets. But silver could argue. He won't say I haven't got the plays to play that round. But then don't play it then. Because philosophy. But then you'll get sack. But he might not have the plays to play. He'll get sack. I'm not saying Man to Man to Wait. It's about doing something different. What's your change then? I put a wall in front of every single free kick. Straight away. Then he threw over the wall. Then he'd have to change the trajectory of it. So you're saying we need to lead it to get the ball out. I'm telling you what we need. So we should have to change something then. That's all of what's still coming. I just don't know what you change. You have to change something otherwise. He's going to get the sack. It's as simple as that. If he keeps doing this. We keep conceding this many goals. He's going to get the sack. Just let me play devil's advocate. Because you think obviously. He's in. Every single day in training. These players are super every single day in training. You go on the game. That's all that matters then. So what? That's all that matters. What happens on the pitch is all that matters. So he's got to... But it's working well on training pitch. But it's not working well on the pitch. So therefore as a manager you have to say So what's he doing then? If he still doesn't matter what happens on the training pitch. Because you're playing with the same people. And you don't have the same aggression. So he has got to look for something different. I'm not saying scratch zone on marking. I'm not saying zone on marking is the problem. You've got to look for little things that can change. It could be. It could be. It could be saying to the goalkeeper. Stand five feet off your lap. And start coming out. So you want to adjust the zone on mark. No he's got to change something. Otherwise he's going to be sacked. Because you can't rely on players. You can't. You've just said it. Because they've got the best players in the world. Isn't that the way we're trying to get to them? But we're not going to get there. Joe, you can't... Right, how can you get from being... 11... But it's going to take time. He's going to keep doing this system. He ain't going to change the system. Why? Because he's not. Why can't we just give him patience? You can't... Let me answer this question. Let me just give you this one. Let me answer this question. Let me answer this question. Let me answer this question. So... If this team... Is this team capable of getting... To a Man City? Not currently. At any of these players... If we were to get top of the league with any of these players... In this team... No, if we were to get top of the league... Which Man City are, right? If we were to get top of the league... With any of the players in the Everton team that are currently in it... Being that team. No, exactly. So what's the point? The point is that you progress. What's the point in progress when you're not progressing? After three years, transfer window after transfer window... But none of these players... Are good enough to play the way he wants to play. Who's to say that Marco Silva doesn't shine a centre back in the summer? That's your leader. That's fine for them. But at the moment... When you really need to dig in... And win points because you're looking over your shoulder... The only way you'll progress... Is if you get your... The only way you'll get your decision... If we toughen up... And get through games of football... We're not going to win games of football... Well enough to finish seventh. Progression has to actually start... With wins and wins. But we can see that goal... Because we care too much. No, we didn't consider it just because we care too much. We can see that it. Because we give away a stupid free kick... For a start. That's one thing. And then the ball comes in... And it's not just care too much. It's all of them. Because what care too much we did last night... Is what Seamus Coleman did on Saturday. And what other players... All of the players did. Can you improve on them players? But you can't... It's all about taking responsibility. You can't improve players, right? If you're not going anywhere. But he's going to change this person now, isn't he? But how are you going to attract players... If you're not actually going somewhere? That's what we're saying. We're not going to go anywhere this season anyway. If players don't get better... If I don't see... Are you seeing signs of any of our players being better... This season? Honestly? Do you enjoy the 40? No. Do you like to watch other players? No, but I don't compare it with other players. That's what you've got to compare it to. No, I don't. I don't find the 40 any better. I don't find the 40 any better. That's fair. It's not. We score more goals. We don't score more goals. We don't score more goals. We got more points than last season. I enjoyed more than Alan Dice. I enjoyed more than Alan Dice. He's not my benchmark. Alan Dice was brought in... What's your benchmark? It's 20 years. My first season was some of the best football I've seen for a while. Moises was consistently every year was good football. Alan Dice was brought in just to stop his being relegated. So I have no problem with what he did. Apart from towards the end where he decided to put up shop. But I don't really enjoy... I don't really enjoy... Alan Dice, the club matters a bit. Some of the games, some of the games, come and play with us. I think where we are, I think the problem is where we are is we're all confused. That's the chopping-button. We've got a thing in our mind that we want to see. What we want to see, we have an producer and we're not capable of it. Last year we had a manager who wouldn't get done with free-kicks in Corners. But he had no ability to do what this manager does. Now we've got a manager. But I'm not sure this manager will take us any further. I'm just saying, I don't know if... That's fine, I don't know if he'll get us any further. This football might be better. I don't know. But I don't know if it'll get us any further. I don't know if he will. Even if he's short of the set piece, I don't know if he'll get us any further. None of us know and that's the point. People treat and give a tether to the job. You're like, a felody would never manage the football, but come into the... Ideally and romantically, a tether in Cale. Yeah, fucking boss. Absolutely boss. To see that we're swimming in our dugouts. Cos they give us great times. Or good times, or great times. Or good times. And they're with the hearts and everyone loves them. But are they capable of doing anything with this? No one... What's bugging me is... The difficult thing I look at is... We don't know what he's doing on a training ground. But for every day, he could be doing three hours. And they could be absolutely brilliant. Right? Changing at the weekend, then... Why do we change it? Cos this wasn't a discussion between October and December. But now it is. So there's a problem now. Quite clearly there's a problem. And we can't keep doing what we're doing. We don't know whether it's him. Whether it's Zonal. I don't believe it's Zonal. But it might be because these players might just be thick. And don't know how to defend. The reality is, we don't know how to defend. So it doesn't matter if it comes from the manager. Or a coach. It's the lads who've got the shape of it. It doesn't take responsibility. Not one of them. So I don't know how you fix that. And they're ultimately getting the manager's act, aren't they? If he can do something and change it, that helps. And he doesn't do it. Then he's negligible. I like to believe that he is. That's what I think. I just don't believe he's not going... I don't know how we'd let a chef piece him. But we know that. We do know that. Some managers... don't work on things. We watch matters long enough to know. No, I know. But I believe these do. I don't believe. I don't believe. But listen, that doesn't matter. That's why they shouldn't like him. They shouldn't like him. Managers aren't there to be liked. Managers are not necessarily there to be liked. The day. That's the end. That's the end of it. And a good manager will find a way. That's what I'm saying. They will find a way. They will do something that negates if you want to work on it how hard you want to work on it and how much you want to work on it. I don't see on the pitch with my own eyes that they are working hard enough to eradicate these problems. I just don't see it. Until you do... If that lad jumps up last night and he gets a headache and zooms into him and there's a few other players then you can say you've got off the ground and there's concentrating on something that's not... That's worrying. That's worrying for me. Personally, it's a key problem of course it is. You have to bring in somebody who can stop that but you also have to have a general sense that it's getting better all over. You know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? You know what I'm doing? That's a personal. But that's the problem. The difference to them is though they weren't losing games off the back of them. They were having ding dongs. I'm not thinking yet. I'm not going. What I'm saying is it's like how you get it. I agree with that. Hopefully when we have the three of them we'll be in Millwall Bloody Wolves, Man City before that it was fucking Lincoln you can't keep doing it. I agree, I totally agree. But I don't lay it. People do lay it all at silver, I don't. I lay it at this obviously for me it's a 50-50 split. The coaches staff need to do stuff. It's care to me and I'm just using him because last night he left this fella. If he can't mark off it and do the job get him out of the team, get someone in but unfortunately me in his engine. If it's Michael Keane, get him out of the team. But we've had chances we had the chance to go create the back of the team. That's where I think he's doing it. So there's straight away you can say, the manager had a chance to do something we went to Burnley knowing what they were going to do and we put create the back and it worked most of the time in that game. So there you go, so there's the manager there's the manager for me, not taking responsibility sometimes you've got to change your philosophy he changed his philosophy that day so you've got to look at it and say you've got to do that more often you're the manager and people will say no one will go, you change your philosophy and you knob it and you go we won some games, they would never say that they would say, nice one people from last night are saying wasn't it nice to see people go out there and get stuck in and have a go, no one's going well I'd love to have seen a strime and passed Man City off the block it wouldn't have happened would it because they would have closed us open you've got to play each game for what it is and you can't this is what we end up hating matters for was the idea that you go into games going notice the day we're capable of beating these we've got to go out there and do whatever it takes we were three years in exactly what that's up to this is not about the manager this is about the manager it's about the manager now it is but like you've already said players will come and go and the philosophy is the right thing but that's the thing if the manager can't stop the leaking goals though it will cost them its job because we can't win games with football if you can't keep cleaning if every time you give a free kick free kick away it's more or less a goal that's an issue isn't it because players are going to do what Garnard did last night on the edge of our boxing diving for no reason an opposition please are we going to fall over every opportunity they get they're going to fall over they're not stupid they know that it's a weapon now against us I mean you've got the old said last night which people picked up on and were made up with was that a set of works on free kicks with them which is you know but who's to say anything on doing it that's my thing I've heard no one say anything contrary to the fact that they don't work on it so I think he does work on but well then he needs to work on it he needs to work on it and then players need to see it those players come off the pitch and go I hate this manager so well they're so good good because that's what you want I don't want the manager to do it first thing I do when me and his back is going to be in the back plays you on Joe Kenny Luca Dean left and then let you in the field so they stand your score up we're going up there or even one with a split we're going up there this is how we're playing to the end of the season because you can't play in a ball because we can't defend fucking scrap pieces and if he does that most of the fans will probably look and go fair place having to go it's the reason why players have to take responsibility it's like the emergency powers it's like in the last minute of the game when you're winning and you bring on the third centre back you know what I mean it's that idea of doing it it's that idea of doing it for the entire game it's the idea of doing it for the entire game it's the idea of going well we know what they're going to do they're just going to start pumping it into the box so it's that idea of saying you know what you have to change something it's the idea of going we have to change something even if it's for the small period of window when you go we're going to put there at the back and we're going to have confidence back and then the problem with the Premier League is it's relentless it doesn't give you time to work on anything and I still think I still think looking at who we brought in in the summer if people had a pre-season a proper pre-season then we wouldn't have many of these problems because the manager would have got time to bed all this in in pre-season it's difficult to go from and maybe that's what the next two weeks fucking hell for two weeks take them on fucking set-piece camp or something and take them to fucking get out of the ice for two weeks for a little consultation getting moisin and just do it every day for fucking two weeks and just work the ball he's got to give himself the opportunity to build something but he's only going to get the time by getting his ultimate isn't he and I think that's the issue is that he knows what he wants I think but if he keeps conceding goals this way the problem with those goals is that we're playing a team at the weekend who I don't believe are going to cut through us nor at all but he'll bully us and he'll get three teams and he'll put balls he'll get three teams he'll get three teams he'll get three teams by ahead every up don't tell him get with him in crossing area they don't think any exactly if you fall over bang back post through then you'll find something and that's already near that doesn't say just something's gotta click eventually anyway segin half segin half that was the last you come out we've had a little run round you make sub because I really threwerly Goofy games and sub was strange I don't understand what the manager is saying, he wants a little bit more cracked on the pitch. By bringing Gile Ffion and pushing Tom back into deeper midfield, I thought back just a loud city, a little bit of breathing room up to get off the pitch a little bit. With their centre backs being so such a key part of how they start moves, but giving them more time on the ball didn't really help us. I don't understand why he brought them on, it's that moment where Gile Ffion produced something with 1-0, and they weren't taking the game away from us, it was just 1-0 wasn't it? So I understood why he brought them on, because I wouldn't have moved either. I had to put them away at home and said to Gile Ffion, get on the ball and look, you've got a runner now in Dominic Hall that's living, you've got someone who wants to train. I tried it, do whatever, thread it through, because they were open a few times thread it through, and he didn't even mix that, so he kind of reduced Tom's influence in the game, and Gile Fion never got into the game, he didn't get, there was one edge of the box where he could have it, and he hesitated and tried to train it, and they just took the ball off him. I don't remember Gile Fion saying he's not doing anything. And that was a disappointing, I think, I was amazed he took the ball off. He always does it, I honestly couldn't believe it. What have I always said, 70 minutes he brings them up, he's a guy who can unlock the game, you've got to leave him on the pitch. It was bizarre, that's what the season was, I understood why he brought the challenge now, I wish you were that, but... See, because I went to the two, because I went for the two up front. If you want, I'd have to swap Bernard over, I'd have just gone to Bernard going on the right hand side now, and we'll have you, we'll have the challenge, we'll have Tom who's making the runs, and then, if he's looking and going, we need another cent to fall over there, then take Bernard off and mix it all, whatever. I think he showed his hand far too early, but me making that sort of thing. I just wouldn't have changed the Davis thing, because Davis, he was pressing from the front, so their centre backs never really had loads of time on the ball. Don't forget, they changed their formings in the first, and they pushed John Stoneman into my field by 50, to try and get a grip of it, and he couldn't, and he actually dropped back into the event again, because it didn't really alter the game. Tom Davis was a bloody nuisance. You had him, and you had Dominic Halberloo, and he had a thorn in his side, and then you're right, when he pushed him back, because Guilford isn't his mobile, and they just stepped out with the ball, and then we got a little bit of intent to create a backflip. And although they didn't really create much, they just had a lot of the ball, didn't they? Yeah, sure. I think, yeah. I understand. I had a bloat. I had more change in my card, didn't I? Yeah, well that was one of the ones. For half an hour left, just took it to get it out of the game. Him and Davis do, didn't they? You've got to bring them off, if you're going to give them a chance. It was almost like a freebie for them last night, so they had to come on, and had an hour and a half of one out, and got in and got stuck in. In 20 minutes, still. And just keep Tom up front, and I just thought, I thought we let them off, I thought we'd break them. But he showed that hand far too quick, and then the other sub's told somewhere he'd never made it. He had it one way. Got a great chance. The ball, his sub wasn't fast enough, he just hasn't got the leg. That showed how easy it is. He put one three for the challenge. He was fucking tight as well. I don't know. Why did he fall? First thing, found it on the floor, and the fans are just like, no, we don't want to see that. They brought Kevin the Blender on, I think it was. And he waits, so he gets right on the edge of the box, and then gets the foul, and that's it. You've got to be more intelligent, haven't you? That's the difference. Yeah, yeah. But anyone moaning about the two teams, I mean, no three sub's, 50 million, 50 million, 30 million. It was worth it, 130 million. We had 900 on the bench. And we had our team, it wasn't even worth it, 100 million who started. And no three sub's were worth more than our team. Plus, they had records signed on 75 million pound maras, who didn't even get on the pitch. So it shows you the golfing class between the two sides. But we stuck to the task, you know. We got into injury time, I mean that. Every time they went down, that was a challenge, by the point. Ffannandino, seven fouls where he got both. The K-Zoomer, one challenge on his use, which was nothing, the card came on. The port nearly breaks, well cut's back. Yeah, yeah, it's a bank plan. But what they brilliant at City is, the referee, the game. Ffannandino referee, the round of ref. The round of ref, that one then. That one where he went down was brilliant. The old one. The sum is up, and he was going, it's all three kicks in the hand. He brought round the referee's score. But what they were doing was, they were almost taking, they were almost getting round the ref, and making him lose focus on what had happened. What had happened. And almost trying to get him to be, forget about the incident. It's almost like a mad, a fucking Jedi mind to it. And then he didn't get booked. And then he didn't get booked. It's like now when you're in Pines, and you're waiting for the screen. Oh, he got away with that one. The balls kept the ball. He was like trying to almost like, I imagine for the ref, he has to, when something like that happens, he has to almost play back the incident in his head. To find, to remember, to remember, it was a foul on her. With your talk, he has a good time. The letter sum was going, it's all three kicks, isn't it? And the guero was like that. And the guero was like no, no, no. So they put that doubt, in the referee and the rest. Right, see that, right. And that's why, where our plays are just like, thank you sir. The referee, that was it. Our plays should have been over going, they should have been all on hand. And in the referee walking, he smashed them in the back, making it worse than what it is. So where on the other hand they're going, that was just coming together. Our plays should be like, stay fucking out about that. And the rest going, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you've only got like three moments of this. So I mean, that's the thing. Soon you won't be doing that full stop. It's just, thank you sir. You know when, Finan Dino took Daviser off the fifth time. Right, and then he's in Daviser's face, in Daviser's screen, and our plays are five yards. No-one jumped in, I went, what are you doing? Nobody. He's left Daviser on his own. Why is no-one having a fucking go on it? I mean, I wish we had Finan Dino. Oh yeah, he's in any. He's the better known for them. He just keeps them chicken over. As you mentioned the first time, he just runs the game. He just runs the game mate. He's in our last as well though. Moun and winging in the referee's ear, but he's super. We need someone like that. But they all do it, and that's what winners do. People will go, now it's not important. It's time for the shirt, isn't it? Like you just said, you're referee in the game, you're getting decision, you're getting the rest face, the referee doesn't want a buck here, he doesn't want it. Finan Dino went through, Davies. I never got booked for it. The post should be getting booked straight away from that. It should be a flag. You've just gone through the back of it. Of course, you're lucky you're still on the pitch. Three or four in them last night, and the fans are like, the fans are like, how are you ever going to win a game with four teams? You've got that much against you. I don't get me down to referee then, cost us the game. It's just those little things where you're looking go. You've got a few times now, but the flip side of that is is that you want your players to be active because you feel like they've got that fight in them, and they're going to have to fight in them for everything. City players, and a lot of the teams that are at the top, people get this idea that teams at the top are soft because they're at the top so they must just play football. They take no shift from anyone, they get a few players, they're all good at it, that's what you do. That's what you become. You're always looking for threads to pull on the pitch and off the pitch. They did the other day, but we never got any decisions because the goal we scored was offside. What? In your age you're thinking, what the f*** logic is that? But to the end they're like, forget about talking about why we scored an offside goal. Use that in our favour to say why we scored an offside after the game. That's why we got an off in the second half and you're either mad or you're f***ing genius. That's the way it is. We just take our medicine. We just take our medicine. We do. I don't think people get that enough value in the game of how it is. It's that key moment so important for football. I'll go back to what I was saying before. He says to them, are these set pieces? I'd be like, what set piece? That was never a foul. That was never a foul. That was never a foul. That was never a foul. F*** that, do you know what I mean? I get all confused and I'm going, what foul? Forget about that. That's what all the managers do. That's what all the managers do. What foul? Wasn't even a foul? He's nearly cut my player in half there. He's nearly cut my player in half. Remember the third, someone he could have killed him. That's what you do. You don't solve a problem, but you go, this is getting a joke now. You know what after the problem, we can see in all these goals is because of all these set pieces. You f***ing get in. You make the issues and you give them room in football and you creep it out. It's like this, now he's clever. If he's clever now silver, if he is, or if someone are evident, I mean listen, they're obviously not intelligent enough, but if they were, they'd be saying to him, bring up Troidini's comments today in the best golfers show. Go, well we after hope the referee's strong. We've heard what's been said, that they're going to go, then everything go back with everything man, you know, Marko, Silvers, Shane, Waffa, any tackle. You say to all the players, you say to all the players, Troidini goes anywhere near you, physically touches you, you get down on that floor, every other one of yours gets in his face and go, you said you were going to do this. You said before Beth, he said he was going to do this, and he's just done it. You're planning before the game, aren't you? I mean go back to Andy Johnson with that something. He goes down, he dives, we play Arsenal, the day after, Johnson runs through, gets fucking side down, and the referee goes, no penalty, and then he never got another one. But why are the charisons not getting any far? Because the referee's just gone now, he's just gone, it's finished. And our fans are just like, when you just get up, because he's not clever enough, to know when to take a far. We're able to criticise Silver for that. We're able to criticise Silver, and sit in the thing and go, can I just talk about the treatment of the charisons involved in all that? And if someone goes, wow, so you know, the lad is getting kicked. Get the data, get the data. Every single gets kicked, he's filed 14s, booted up and down the pitch, and he was giving 3 files in that game. Our evidence and data shows he was filed 12 times. So, I'll bring them out. Everyone's just going to go, Silver's unhappy at the treatment of the charisons. Get the data, get the data. First thing you do, press comments, but I've left the thing there for you on all your seats. That's how many times we're charising. Swing the conversation. Are you self-tar if any? That's what he's up to. Mark bought himself times by being a nice fella. He bought himself years. Someone like Alex Ferguson bought go. He changed the narrative. If he doesn't want to talk about, this is what I was saying about before, if you don't want to talk about set pieces and that's the only thing we're talking about, right? Then change the narrative. Change the narrative to, why are we getting some free kicks against us when we don't get any free kicks at the other end? You know, change the narrative. That's two free kicks we've conceded in the last minute of a half in exactly the same place in two games. Start at, you know, what's going on with the rest, but that, no. That wouldn't happen if that was charlotson. The charlotson wouldn't get that free kick. It's the day today to get a kick more time than anywhere else in the Premier League. I've left a little sheet on you. Sky's boat's news might go, oh, he's mad and he said this and he said that. But if you don't want to talk about set pieces, number one, get it fixed. And number two, give people something else to talk about them. You know, whatever it is, whatever is going against us on the pitch, that's your advantage. Because that's, the more you go into a press conference and say I don't want to talk about set pieces, the more people are going to go that's the issue. So we're going to, I know what's going to happen. It's going to, this is what happened to Mennino. People will go to him, how come, how come user shit and but when he's a tuner dance from the user boss I don't want to talk about that. Just because this fucking thing, and you know what the press are like, they'll smell blood. Because what sells stories is a club that has spent all that money and didn't get a sack which would sell loads of newspapers. He's a fraud, he spent this money and that just keeps the circulation of press going. They're not going to just go it's only silver, they're going to go slow news day today, what should we talk about? Let's talk about silver, who should we get into the talk about it? Get some of the dice on the phone. He never considered set pieces. He's got to help himself by just addressing it or moving this, being clever enough to go on. The charlatans, one of those years leg, when he got kicked, when he got elbow and even his fans were like, get up lad. His face was covered in blood and I brought him in. When he takes his son into school I'm going to see what your son's done to mine and do what he's done. He's like his son. Not biological of course. It's your own press conference. Just get him in with all these closses of plaster all over his face going on there. So what was the year game? It was a bit of a tough one. A bit of a tough one, cast on his arm and everything. I mean how you know, realistically you know what if this carries on doesn't see the season on. Before the end of the season, do you think that? Do you think? No, he won't but he deserves to. Because I can't I'm so basic. It's so basic. You could go and get a non-league league one player and I bet you. All right, it might be absolutely shit. So if the Millwall are throwing him into the box then you know it does a problem. No, I'm not I'm not disagree with you, I'm just saying. They only bit of disagree with you with how he answered the question. It's quite clearly an issue. It's quite clearly a problem and you're right if he can't solve that managers are there to solve problems. If he can't solve what is a problem, whether he thinks it's a problem or not, everybody else thinks it's a problem. To be fair, I don't want to be fully right on this because I'm bored of that. But you are right in terms of, it might be a chance of it might just be a case of all the managers and the director of football have looked at someone and gone well, he will solve all the problems in the summer but that's a fucking lot. That's a long way to go. We can't put it this way, we can. Another 12 games can see. But at the end of the day, if you really believe in a manager and really think he's going to take you to places you've got to believe that he can eliminate that problem without the need to spend 60 million on a centre back. Sometimes that's what it takes and that's what gets you there. The quick way. I just look at him and just think I don't know I don't know whether he will go he's not going to go to man to man because he's never played it. So he's not going to he's not going to change that so therefore it's how you it's how you solve what's going now if those players within February and they still not understanding it why aren't you understanding it and if they are understanding it and they still not doing the job get them out of the team James Coleman is out of the team he's out of the team because he's not playing well drag him out of the team if Jim is not doing it get him out of the team get him out of the team take what the problem take what the issue is look at it and get them out of the side and at the end of the story like we've had last night we've had Calvert Llewyn John Joe Kenny, Tom Davies coming they've set that bar for themselves forget everyone else they've set that bar for themselves now that effort is the minimum required and the fans last night demonstrated that fans were shooting the fans demonstrated last night that especially when that second goal went in that performance in their eyes was acceptable okay it might have been most creative sparkling display in the world but it showed that it's not always about what the result is but how you did on the pitch and you appreciate that the team you're playing is a much better team and that's what happened last night does that not give you confidence in the manager saying that listen it's not about confidence in the manager I'm not sitting here having a go with the manager because it was an acceptable performance what I would say from that is that Saturday a lot of people give them a kick and fairly enough rightly so but it's so with them I don't think we've got that what was key last night what was key last night was that he made changes he brought in three young lads who have been for the most part sitting on the bench or in and out of the team and he put a lot on them to change it against the best team in the country and they did that and sometimes that's all it takes sometimes you can have all the players you can have eleven of the best players out there but it doesn't mean they're a team and I think that's what the manager now and it's what's really annoying and we've said this loads of times Jordan likes a Christmas when he should have been swapping them around to keep everyone fresh and it's come it's come to almost like a natural conclusion where we knew this was going to happen because you can only flog them so long before you're going to have to change them anyway and I can understand them keeping the same team if you win in all the time so that's where he's made errors it should have been there it's natural for the manager to make errors though laying from your mistakes that's the thing that's the thing you've got to give him time you do have to give him time but he also has to demonstrate that he's laying that's the key if you don't do interviews as well that was a perfect sign before demonstrating that he's trying to change it I've said this before he needs to do a shit down aim at brands and explain what they're trying to do what the vision is and where we're going fans love that but fans will get involved with that it's general tone just needs to be picked up a little bit was he like that in his first press conference cos if he was like that in his first press conference that's just his personality if he's changed then maybe he's losing the plot but if he's like that in his first press conference so then there's no issue he's a bit uncharismatic and that's probably my only concern with him I think he's guarded I think he is I think that's the way it is I think he just comes out and does that he's not like that with the players I believe he doesn't realise he's talking to the fans I don't know I think that's what players fans would like maybe just to see the natural side of him do you know what I mean you're right and maybe sometimes you know if it's not in him it's not in him I don't want him to bullshit us but if it is in him that's where everything can help though that's where everything can help that's where everything can help he should be doing stuff he's just coming at him go on him a couch to sit on smells lovely explain to me explain to me show me the cuts on your arm that you have i wana see the pain in his eyes I wana see the pain yna'r ysgrifi I wana bili So he fired the first question I'd asked to miss As he's got a dog, and if the answer's no, then I know he hasn't got a shawl, I just know that, because if he's not going home and getting the love of a dog, then there's no point, no point, he won't cure it. He's got his wife there then. A wife can only go so far, you need that. Hey boy! Hey boy! Get on red dead! Get on, if he doesn't go home and have strokes as dog and plays on red dead, then I don't know what he's doing with his life. Because officially that's what I'm here at. Well you don't stroke a dog, but you know you've got Zach for that. I love dogs. I don't love them, I like them. I'm a cop person. That says everything you need to know about... This boy here. Yo! And his cat. Ped light. I don't look at me. It's always top comments every time on the final words. It's always top comments. It's not. Mine's better though. Anyway, because you scored in the 97th minute. You look like Jimmy Newton. I've had that one as well. You look like Jimmy Newton. I'm lucky though, because pick for me they go block face. I'm not an ass that's coming on. Let's finish now. I didn't particularly want to talk about that goal. But in the last minutes of the game they were keeping the ball in the corner. Rolling to the corner. Game management. Game management. 97th minute. Right, there you go. Let us know what you thought in the comments. Do you think we're making too much of this? Do you think it's just another defeat? Or set pieces? Where are you? Let us know. No one will be happy with the set pieces. No, we don't. I'm just saying that. Let us know in the comments. If you haven't already subscribed, please do. Click the bell for a letter so you know when the videos are coming out. And if you want to join us on Patreon. Do we? Because it's good. Very, very good. Thanks, we'll see you later.