 Hello and welcome to Release Date Rewind. My name is Marc J. Parker and I am a film lover, filmmaker, film celebrator. And normally this is an audio podcast wherever you get your podcasts on your favorite apps. But thanks to Portland Media Center, you are about to watch the video component of this show where I celebrate movie anniversaries with my friends. Each month I usually talk about two different movies that I love with different friends. And we talk about the making of the movies, trivia, any fun memories associated with them. So I hope you enjoy because now it's time to rewind. So let's talk about our favorite scenes. We can go through the movie however you want. I'm gonna throw it to you guys. Andrew, what's like one thing right off the bat that you just love about this movie? I think honestly Denise Richards steals the movie for me and I'm always so sad when she gets killed off. And it's just because all of her actions are just so over the top. Right from the beginning, she's in the auditorium and her first line in the movie is F off to that guy that touches her ribbon or whatever. It just never lets up from there. Even when she's seducing Neve Campbell, there's just so many parts where she is just so iconic in this movie. I mean that she basically spends half the movie dripping with water. And just there's that iconic shot of after her friend leaves the car wash and she's made her way into Sam and Bartow's house and you just get this shot of her weird little jelly sandal shoes and then it pans up and you know it's supposed to be like her sexy moment and you're just like what all of a sudden the movie has changed and you're like what movie is this and what I got myself into and I just think that she is iconic in this role. I don't think that anyone else at this time could have lived up to that part of for this and then literally the the scene that drives me is the courtroom scene. So the one you were talking about and when she launches across that courtroom and she's like you skanky bitch just throws the glass at Neve Campbell. It is such like an over-the-top telenovela like type of acting but I'm here for it because it just amps up the camp factor that in some I feel like this movie actually is pretty uneven on how it wants to either be super campy or super serious depending on what depending on what character you're with. So when you're with like Kevin Bacon and the crew it's super serious it's a crime drama you're trying to figure out like what's going on but then when you're with Denise Richards it's like to the moon and back how high she's acting same with the mom and then when you're with like Walter and his and his grandma I'm only assuming it's like a backwards comedy and it's it's so it is a little uneven but I think like it works so yeah those are kind of things that really stick out to me. You know how my mom's paying you off? She's breaking my trust. We bought her to hook, line, and sink her. Now they got to wait with eight million dollars of Sandra Van Ryan's money. You want my gut? There's more to this story than you know. The one scene that always I whenever I think about wild things and it's not really like a huge thing well maybe it is is is Neve Campbell's wig on the boat. Her wig is so bad and it's just because it's so blonde you know and and like that boat's got like a little like yeah it's like you can literally see her hair under the wig right it's so big and bouffant-ish you know but it's like that boat scene I think about of course the threesome scene that I mean it's classic the pool scene where they're fighting and then she's like puts her finger to her lips I was like oh my you know my lesbian now you know like oh and then it's so funny but it's after the movie with the credits oh I love yeah anyone out there who has seen my shorts I you know I love some a scene during the credits so and maybe I was inspired by wild things to keep that going I don't know but I love the end credits tell me what do you think of all that does it make sense to you what do you what do you like I kind of like I often well I think about like did they always plan on showing that they want us to like figure it out for ourselves because I feel like I don't know I can't like if it was made now which by the way this would this would be on lifetime now like it would not even be in the theaters you know it would you know be free I'm not saying it's a bad move you know right or you never know it could be like that 365 Netflix movie that apparently I haven't seen it but it's very sexual so it would be streaming and just be very campy but like super duper sexual you never know right yeah no I but yeah it's um I wondered yeah I thought maybe if they never if they'd what would the movie be like if they didn't have those ends and credit scenes which I think really just really ties it night nicely together you know we you know we wonder like how would she fake her death oh she's literally pulling her own teeth out oh my god yeah that's just always I'm like so yeah so painful to look at but also so funny how he's squirming and she's like Jesus Christ yeah what I love about that that the post or I guess the during credits scenes is yeah it fills in the blanks like I and it also shows us because at the end and we're spoiling everything and that's how it goes but at the end you know Susie is the one left standing out of this crazy web of lies and so what I love about those scenes is right off the bat it shows us like how she kind of she seemed to mastermind the whole thing I assume those credit scenes are kind of in order she goes to Sam with pictures of him and his student Kelly right so that gets the ball rolling and then I think next is Susie and Sam spying on Ray Duquette Kevin Bacon and like how he's a dirty cop and how she's getting Sam to like go be his friend and like he's gonna want to kill me like this was Susie's plan I think is that what you guys got from that that like Susie kind of was a mastermind yeah for sure I mean she's kind of the one that goes to him with the plan in the first place I think that they probably plan most of it together but I think like and there is like a so this is what I was reading about the unrated version it's there is a deleted scene where it explains that Susie is actually the illegitimate half-sister of Sandra right is that the mom wait Susie is the illegitimate half-sister to Sandra to the mom yeah right then she would have been the one to inherit get all the money yeah yeah not Kelly interesting whoa okay so that okay I did not know that so Andrew you're blowing my mind a little bit okay I mean it does help understand her why she's like you know there's like different there's obviously different reasons for people to join in on the on the chaos here and I think it gives her a little bit more reason about like the money portion of the plan like I get the revenge portion of her plan with Ray and even at the end you know with with Matt Dylan's character but like I think it just gives her a little bit more depth in it like why she's participating in this and why she feels like she's owed this this money so that's true that's true it's more of a motive more of a connection rather than just girl from the wrong side of the tracks that that reporter calls her I remember I'm seeing that me like oh my god but yeah that's true that's so interesting I wonder if they cut that just because maybe it was too I think got too complicated yeah yet another reveal yet it's it's hard to keep them all in track but yeah so after that I'm just thinking of the other credit scenes after she's with Sam with Ray then it's the tooth thing then we see that moment on the beach what happened when Kelly you know goes to the car to get a blanket or whatever and then we see Ray and Kelly in her guest house and how she did not really she did not shoot him like he told people you know he's doing all that and then I think it ends yeah with then good old Bill Murray that attorney he's in on it oh my god when I first saw that I was like wait a minute what he's in on it and gives Susie all the money and takes out his fee and she had and I do love how he says like we have a million for Ruby and Walter her family right I love that and he says and then I took my fee out and then she gives him a kiss and walks off like oh my god so it's like wow it's crazy I almost need to see like a cut that shows everything in chronological order you know what I mean like I wonder if a fan has made that out there after tonight three of us not to be seen together again after tonight I was curious about how you see things working out for you and Sam and Susie I mean it's hard enough for one person to keep a secret let alone three especially one two of them are in a lot you don't really think Kelly and Sam are gonna share that money with there's like one thing that's always bothered me and it's about believing what happens because like when you're when you're watching not about Davey but like when Neve gets you know killed and like you see the the champagne model and the swooping and it's like yes you know and then and then like you see her in the car and I'm like that camera trick is a little they if it had been a second I would have been like oh she's what if she's she's she can't be dead like she's not dead but like they lingered on her face behind the bag a little bit too long for me where it almost seems like a like a gag you know like you know like it I'm like oh wait a minute like a plot hole kind of thing I'm like wait interesting dead like I just thought it was that seemed like if they maybe have just not shown it like in Psycho where they just he closed they closed the trunk and I'm like okay now I can believe that maybe she's alive because you didn't see her breathing or you know I don't know I just yeah that's interesting the close-up of her is definitely an interesting choice so yeah when you see that close-up your you is that when you know you kind of have the feeling that she's not dead or you feel like she's gotta be dead she's gotta be dead there's no breathing she's not gonna fake not breathing when the trunk is you know for us that's true that's true yeah you know the other part in that scene too is where it shows like a spurt of blood like like legit like drenched blood and I'm like her just pulling out her front teeth is not gonna create like this I know yeah right it's actually quite gross yeah I I never really realized I knew it was blood but like not until this latest rewatch I was like okay if that's a spur that's like a geezer okay enough enough also why did the bottle not break wouldn't you have thought the bottle would have I mean I don't know you just see so many movies where the bottle any bottle just breaks on someone's head right weird that it never broke I'm like that is quite a strong champagne bottle well I will say that it was full like he never opens it I mean so I just imagine like a full champagne bottle is much more robust than like an empty you know true that's true and I just love that twist that only about 15 minutes after the epic three-way scene with a few of them where we realize they're all in on it it's all this plan I mean what a what a brilliant way to reveal that insane but Neve is the one Suzy's the one that pops the champagne bottle and drinking it and then only 15 minutes later the champagne bottle a different one is used to quote unquote kill her right there is no case I need you to be there for me tonight we got to stick to the plan she just yelled at Sam and threw stuff at him and forced his educator the year award to break in public which I'm like okay young lady like I just wanted some teacher to be like all right you need to calm down you need to go to the principal's office but I guess she's a van Ryan is it gets away with it right blue-bay blue-bay do not tell Kelly you know what is what does her mom say my my favorite line of maybe the whole movie but definitely from Sandra is say it Jeff do you know my daughter does not get raped in blue bay yes absolutely thank you yes I also love when she says before right as Kelly's gonna tell her mom which I do I have to say I love you know that close-up shot of her tears in her mouth like I was raped but she tells her mom you know she's saying like I miss dad and and her mom's like well he didn't have to kill himself Kelly I know it's so like Teresa Russell is I honestly there must have been a second director that was like you're just gonna handle everything Teresa is doing she is in a different movie right yeah yeah I love it though her and her boy toy oh my god yeah what's his name Frankie yeah and then she has another great line on the phone with Sam and this is when we start to suspect that like she and Sam have a history right which is confirmed later when Susie has her great you know monologue of truth in the courtroom that you know she wanted to hurt Sam and Kelly wanted to hurt Sam because she found out Sam and mom were having a fair when she's on phone with Sam she goes I haven't found anyone who can handle my boat the way you can and she's saying it directly to Frankie who has just given her a great time I mean Frankie's Frankie looks good you know and I'm like she wasn't having it Frankie is not Sam Lombardo who as the cop say has slept with half the women in town right which going back to what you were saying Andrew about the the removal of the gay scene and how you are okay with not everyone so obsessed with Sam Lombardo the movie is interesting that it's showing a little bit of you know when a guy has a lot of sex he's just so appealing to everyone the guys want to be him some guys want him the every woman wants him right like I said in the beginning every student is looking at him every mom right so there is something like I don't know I don't think that would be necessarily part of the movie if it was made today where it's like we're gonna really celebrate the guy that gets a lot of sex you know that felt very 90s to me well even just the whole idea of like making up that you were raped I mean this like the me too stuff I mean yeah what do you tell me more about it Jeff what do you think of that because this movie is very interesting watching it now yeah yeah no it's you know because I just reminds me of promise a young woman you know just like that whole that whole thing but yeah I don't think yeah no this wouldn't be I don't this be as well received and loved as it is you know that was made 20 years ago yeah that's a really good point you know because not only the the accusation of of rape when it's not true but also I thought it was interesting I mean I actually I think maybe I mean I love all the characters but I have grown to really really really love Daphne Rubin Vega as Perez she's like maybe the smartest person in the whole group even though I know sometimes she sort of led astray but you know what also is a little kind of risque especially in our 2023 lads post me too is how immediately once they interview Kelly and she's talking about you know all the stuff and Perez as soon as the like the video interviews done she's like I think she's acting and I did think like ooh you know yikes she's on to something right she knows but just the very accusation that this is a victim who is making this up who's lying I thought whoa I don't know if we'd be able to do that today you know can I just make a point about with Ruben or with Daphne like I remember watching the movie I'm like there are so many people that I recognize in this movie and then like this other person I'm like who is this woman and then it didn't dawn on me until 2008 when I'm you know 2006 when I moved to New York and I was like and I saw rent and then I started doing all my research I was like wait a minute wait a minute wow so she went from rent to wild things and I'm like mine was blown I'm like you know 18 year old me had known what like who this woman was you know absolutely I know isn't that crazy it's it's a really interesting casting choice I mean it makes a lot of sense it's a very white cast so she brings in some much needed diversity especially in Florida right and yeah I was reading about her that yes she of course was in the very first run of rent she was with the show before Broadway but I believe it opened on Broadway April 96 and then she would she left April 97 and then I'm sure shot this probably pretty soon after so yeah what a fun moment in her career for sure yeah I just wonder what she what she thought of like all this crazy stuff going on in this movie right yeah I really like her but yeah I just thought that was kind of a little risque for right off the bat the cops at least she was like I think she's acting you know yeah there is one line that always stands out to me in this is it when Denise Richards finally comes in and she you know tackles him on the bed and she goes we did it we screwed the bitch I thought that was pretty good there's a I noticed an interesting edit this time around and it's right after the scene where we think Susie has been killed and they shoot they shoot over to the Gator Park or whatever that that place is and Walter is trying on teeth yes he's trying on those dentures and that's right after she lost her teeth so I just noticed that this time so I wrote it down just as something to like yeah you know that's really good point because I really noticed it this time too what do you think they were trying to say that like because were they trying to say anything or like cuz it's weird there's a connection there obviously yes to Susie's teeth that just were pulled out but did we need Walter to be trying on person's teeth I don't know if it like makes a ton of sense there's lots of I think if we if you've rewatched that with like foreshadowing in minds I think you'll start catching things like I wrote down like like in the in the beginning first beginning scene in the auditorium when they talk about sex crimes right and like you know Susie gets up and she's like I forgot what she says but she curses Kevin Bacon and she says she calls him a prick yeah right yeah that this something prick and then walks out and it's like well you know we didn't know at all we thought he was always a good guy up until you know halfway three quarters away from the movie so like that's foreshadowing right like that's her telling us that this guy is no good for no reason you know I just think there's probably a little bit more more Easter eggs like that throughout the movie and you know you bring up a good point because yes that beginning is so like memorable sex and then they're all like ooh then crimes and like I remember that was in the trailer right in the beginning I mean that right there is like the movie right right but do you guys know and forgive me maybe it was said and I just am not remembering right now why are they even having this assembly about sex crimes did something happen or it's just like it's just like a mandatory like alright everybody you got to know about sex crimes right it's kind of a little like hmm could should that have come later like after Kelly's accusation then they have like this thing without Sam there you know talking about sex crimes it's a little it's a I understand it's to get us right into what the movie's gonna be about but I just thought it was kind of random because I don't think I had any sort of assembly about sex crimes in high school with two detectives on stage with a chalkboard I mean you know we should have known if something happened in this school you know right yeah so that's why I kind of almost wish and I'm sure it's maybe a little too complicated that this Davey character who has a history with some of these characters if there was something wrong with the way he died if he died and it was a sex crime or something like maybe that would have been a little bit more like you all heard about Davey I don't know I don't know if it's too on the nose or whatever but maybe tying him into that and having the detectives there and then Neve right away gets up like I wonder if that would have made me connect a little bit more with this kind of like secondary Davey thing you know yeah yeah maybe that's just me this time around I did notice that they washed the Jeep with the top off so they essentially got the entire inside of the Jeep wet as well I didn't notice that catch I did not notice that I love that you caught that and then I just have to give a little bit of like a you know the 14 year old me that you know hearing Third Eye Blind again and Smash Mouth and all these songs it's it's incredible and like why can't we be friends from Smash Mouth is a little on the nose after Susie does her epic like finger to what is Denise Richard says to her where'd you get your shoes horse for less or something yeah but then why can't we be friends okay get it got it you know and then Campbell does that iconic the way that only she can flip off people because it's like half the knuckles are up she's done it in scream do it's like I can't even do it it's like a very simple like and then her tongue yeah oh my god she is just so good in this movie and it makes sense why she wanted to do this because this was like that era where like you know some of the WB stars some of the like the various TV wholesome stars wanted to kind of go get bad like yeah it was her poison Ivy right here it was totally her poison Ivy she's gonna blow it well I wrote this down I said would any normal girlfriend that two teenage girls wash their boyfriend's car in the driveway so the girlfriend I was like Barbara I'm just gonna go here have these two girls you can you know see through their shirts everything like no that's not gonna it's a fundraiser Jeff and I love because it's a fundraiser they need him to go get his like a ticket or a coupon or whatever to prove that they wash Mr. Lombardo's car yeah I thought that too Jeff that yeah Barbara is so she knows something's up like right off the bat she's like I'm leaving Sam and that's when Denise gives us an iconic so where's your host Mr. Lombardo right but yeah she walks to that car she knows something's up as she goes and then I'm like and then later it's actually I mean it's always kind of a bummer even though I know Sam's a bad guy but like you know when he's at the club he's obsessed with the club oh we're going to look I'm going to the club of Barbara right and they won't let him in and then in comes Barbara and her dad Sandra's lawyer what's his name Tom Tom Maxwell right I think some is it Maxwell yeah Barbara I think so something like that something like that but that and then Barbara's there and she's like she can't even look at him and I'm like well you kind of like had an inkling of what was you could have I don't know right you shouldn't be so shocked you know I kept the I mean if you look at this cast right it's it's Nev it's Denise it's Matt it's Kevin it's Teresa it's Bill Robert Wagner I mean big name right am I missing anybody else I mean I and then they have these like this no-name writer this no name director so I'm kind of like was Kevin like no guys seriously this movie is going to be amazing you know right it is crazy how they got all these people I mean Bill Murray like right I mean honestly up until the last night the other night I was like my god I forgot he was in this like he's just kind of like but he's perfect in it you know I'm just oh totally yeah the casting is really interesting because you're right we have very hot people of the moment you have Kevin Bacon who especially at this time was just always a star like he he kind of had the golden touch you have Daphne Rubin Vega you know it's just very the I'm looking up the casting director right now because I got to shout them out because yeah it's a very interesting group and I think the group is perfect like I would not have a recast anybody right really I mean they look the part they are as we said they are acting for the astronauts in space it is big right one other no I had my notes from this watch I was like only in Florida can you skeet shoot over the inlet like over the water well again back to the foreshadowing right she's skeet was it skeet shooting right she dies right yes good good thinking for sure yeah they are smart like smart directing smart writing uh-huh two's company threes a crowd now okay I need to ask you guys now we love this movie we are men we are queer men you know we love the the craziness of it I'm gonna just quickly say the casting directors are Linda Lowy Lowy and John Brace so good on you too great job now we're men we like the smuttiness the sexiness and all that do you feel and and I hope and it seems like the actors were all in on it but especially with Denise you know the blue bathing suit iconic but I mean we are really seeing everything through that bathing suit do you kind of feel like was the camera was the director like taking advantage of anyone or do you do you feel like everyone kind of knew what they were doing I feel like it I mean the the the length the time that they took for her to get out of the pool and she's laying there and letting her hair drip I mean I feel like they were like Denise do this very slowly you know we are gonna be on you for like a good five while minutes you know like yeah we're gonna just just we're gonna do it again you're gonna nice and slow I feel you know I think I think they knew yeah I think they all knew what was going on yeah what do you think Andrew you agree yeah no I definitely agree and I think that you know the gaze in this movie does kind of shift towards the end like once Denise is kind of off like the gaze kind of really does shift to the men I mean then all of a sudden we have Matt Dylan shirtless on the beach we have Kevin Bacon in the shower it I think it's equal opportunity smuttiness and I think that that's even you know plused up by the accidental you know shot that that we get that even wasn't supposed to be in the movie but they kept it in right and maybe that's why I wanted to ask your thoughts on this because apparently you know Kevin Bacon thought it was a different angle and that and I guess he did have a no nudity clause in his contract which apparently Nev did too which makes sense because she wasn't showing anything but without giving it much thought he did allow the director to use the shot that he looked thought looked best so he said John use whatever shots you need to do I don't care and so that moment of you know full frontal nudity was included why were they getting that shot if there was a no nudity clause you know what I mean but I guess it was just the blocking like maybe Matt Dylan was supposed to stand an inch to his left and he you know he missed the mark right it's it must have just been totally accidental but yeah I well then he went on to go show it again in hollow man so yes I love hollow man yes you're sorry and I play too or is it just for boys thanks so much for watching next time there's gonna be a new movie that we'll talk about so stay tuned and please 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