 It's Thursday, excuse me. It's Wednesday. It's July 22. It's 11 o'clock. It's Trump week with me this week is Stephanie Dalton. Stephanie Aloha. Thank you for joining us. We will have Winston Welch and Cynthia Sinclair probably next Wednesday. So it's you and I for a long fruitful discussion on the many, many things that have occurred since last week. Again, you and I always talk about Winston talks about when to get quiet. When do things become boring in the Trump administration. When do we not have something that we really have to search and dig for to talk about because it's just so boring. Those days never happen that this never it never occurs. So this week is like the usual weeks filled with things that you just go jaw dropping events here. I think the first thing we'd like to talk about is the interview with Chris Wallace, and the title of the show is a Trump alternate fact. We have the lowest mortality rates. Well, a lot of people saw that interview with Chris Wallace, and was surprised actually on how, how detailed and how well prepared Chris Wallace was to actually take on Donald Trump with as usual, you know, the way of alternative facts and things that he expects Fox and other journalists just to gobble up and swallow as gospel fact and truth, but Chris Wallace was having no part of it. What was your first off before we go into the detail. What was your impression of the interview. So things for that question. I really admire Chris Wallace, but I didn't think he had prepared enough for yesterday. And that that was validated later when I think it was Lawrence. And Donald pointed out that he didn't ask Chris about the bounce Chris did not ask Trump substantive questions about like the bounty that that rush is offering those soldiers. So that point. Did quit Lawrence made a very good point there he was looking, you know, across for the substantive and saw that Chris was getting a little bit. Is that road but though I don't I don't remember exactly what those wrestling. But it was like Trump was able to control it more. Again, because of the kinds of question the topics that Chris raised. I agree with that some of that because I did see Chris Wallace try to side up with Donald Trump buddy buddy up with him and try to prove the fact that he's a, he's a hard hitting journalists and took a great deal of time and effort to play some of the video clips of how he was interviewing Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats and to show that he wasn't, you know, he wasn't a liberal journalist. So he did that and I also think that he made a mistake by agreeing with Donald Trump when Donald Trump stated that when the election was 2016. Hillary Clinton failed to acknowledge his his victory. And Chris Wallace said, I agree. Well, in fact, Hillary Clinton did call Donald Trump that night and wish him, you know that he's the new president United States and congratulate him on that on that on that So there was there was a few flaws in the interview but given what most interviews look like on Fox News. I was still impressed with with what Chris Wallace did. Well, I was a little bit disappointed. I think that Hillary called Donald very late. And so to give the little click over to Donald he might have been confused like it was the next day or something but I think it was pretty late when she called but I think that that Chris Wallace did was defensive and I was really surprised at that he's very confident and very on track usually and well prepared and not susceptible to those kinds of decoy moves and and and the president was constantly making decoy moves and then even leading him into being defensive. I was I'm really pretty surprised at that. But anyway, I thought that the the data that he started out with the data were not actually finished because what was it that Kay Lee, the press person brought to Donald. So, so what survey was that, I mean, there was no follow up on that on that sheet of paper. And that goes, yeah, that goes to the, you know, the statement that Donald Trump made is that the United States has the one of the lowest mortality rates of COVID deaths in the world. And, you know, Chris, Chris pointed out that no Mr. President, we're somewhere around number seven. And if you look at other ones, other countries. Yes, we're better than others but we're still ranking about number seven. And that's when Trump asked his assistant come out with a sheet of paper that didn't have any data on it, it was just a script, and there was no follow up from Chris Wallace on on that that data sheet. I felt that that was an unfinished question. And for some reason that happened early. And I don't know whether, you know, that in some ways caused, you know, a distraction for Chris or what have you but there were a number of places he could have gone and should have gone. One of the places to go which I hear people trying to go and they don't finish it. And that is the more the only reason we have all these cases in the United States of America is because we test so much. Where is the coherent. I want a bumper sticker. Come on. I mean, I've heard numerous people started in on it. And it's so ludicrous that that is an issue. It's such a fallacy and I'm not about to throw out the statement that clears it up, but would somebody please clear that up why that is a false premise on the part of the present. It's not logical. I mean, again, Donald Trump has the ability to take the non logical the, the, the idiotic statements, and just repeat them enough time over and over and over again that we've, I don't know looks like most of America falls into a deep low of zombie ism and they just start nodding your head. Okay. And that's not okay. There's no logical basis to say the more you test is the problem about just the fact that the virus is in a lot more places and we just happen to be picking it up when we test. I think that this is another area I guess the specifics on on Chris's Chris Wallace's interview is that holding the president's feet to the fire. And so he maybe that's a way of explaining what didn't happen, you know, because he didn't talk on what was the data report from that said we were so high or low or, you know, number one, or not or the last on the list of death, but he didn't hold his feet to the fire on what was that what does it mean, and he's not getting him to stay on the topic enough where he's challenged to articulate what it means or anybody else that begins to talk about that it really because it's a disservice to us who are trying to understand it and not spend time thinking about this illogical idiotic statement. So not enough has been said about that so I think there's work to do there's work to do I certainly expected Chris to do a lot more work than he did in that interview. Where there's the old Charlie Rose way of journalism that is I'm spending my half hour on maybe one or two questions, and we're going to do a deep dive on it. Versus I think Chris Wallace had a whole sheets and sheets of questions that he wanted to get through in the time allotted during this interview, and I understand that too because unfortunately the attention span of the American public isn't geared to one or two 30 minute period of time, or 45 minute period of time. So I think as well as like many journalists just has a machine gun scatter gun approach on on many of the questions that he wants to get answers to. I think one though I did catch. The thought that I think went favorably for me as I listened to it was, if you remember Donald Trump was asked a question back in March at one of the coven press press conferences as do you do President Trump take responsibility for where we're at with coven and he said I take no responsibility. Well, during the interview with with Chris Wallace, Donald Trump said, look, I take responsibility always for everything because it's ultimately my job. Because on March 13, 2020, he took no responsibility and I wish I wish that Chris Wallace would have pointed out that discrepancy that well now you do take responsibility okay and and you act like you've always taken responsibility for this and that's not the case. That's a good point Tim, a very good point because that is a major criticism of the President that always comes up in that how he has fallen short, you know, in his duty in his due diligence. So that that's a really good point. Yeah, I think to know the work to do on this is unending, but in the list keeps growing of all of the things that need to be clarified repeated as much as the President repeats them to imprint us on his message. The other side needs to repeat and reiterate in order to understand how that his tropes are are false and and a logical and absolutely not needed, or they needed they need explanation. But anyhow, not to tell me Chris Wallace was very good. As usual, he just wasn't on the top of his game and I think because he must have forgotten how hard it is to interview Donald Trump, and especially now that he's so powerful and feeling that that he did he did overwrite over speak and interrupt Chris. So Chris was hampered by not having to complete his question, or, you know, to have his comeback. I mean there was even voice raising. Well, and even bringing in the press person, as, as we talked about earlier, you know, I, he was, he was dominating more dominant in the interview that Chris usually has to come. Yeah, I think Donald Trump actually, in my opinion, low looked a little bit rattled during some of the questions that Chris Wallace threw at him and I think specifically the one that talked about the election results and then ultimately the question was, are you going to accept the election results if you lose. And I think that question really threw Donald Trump a little bit back on his on his heels because he had to think about it. And ultimately said, No, I may not necessarily accept the results. I didn't in 2016 and I may not necessarily accept them, you know, in the next 2020 election. Well, I think I want to reflect what I've heard another commentator say about that. Number one, who cares what he does, who cares, because they're, we do have that fixed. So the founding fathers or the regulations or other statutes have that fixed. And the answer is that it's not the US military that comes in and helicopters amount. It's actually the secret service is there as soon as the election results are firm, then their duty shifts immediately to the new person, and they no longer are in the service of Donald Trump, the president, and certainly never in the service of Donald Trump his own cell. So that is going to be taken care of. And we're wasting our time again on on this diversionary material. Are we wasting our time remember in 2016, about a month or two before the election, Donald Trump was going on and on about how it's being stacked. So the elections being stacked in the favor of Hillary Clinton it's rigged use that term rigged a lot. And he actually really energized his loyal base into some kind of action and frothing that could indicate that they'd be out the streets on Election Day if Donald Trump was not elected. He was elected so that never took place but I had fear in 2016 that what's he trying to do is he trying to incite the more extreme population of his base. And is he doing that now. Well, I mean, they didn't even make it to the inauguration. Well, that's a good point, but are you at all concerned that Donald Trump sees seems to be sowing the seeds of dramatic protest now I'm not saying violent protest but is he sowing the seeds that this this election didn't go his way either through the mail in tobacco that he thinks is a fraudulent process, or some other shenanigans that that cost him his election and his rightful term second term as President United States, and I get the sense that that's what he is hinting at. Certainly when he says I may not necessarily accept the results of the election. Well, do you agree with me that the actions and I don't want to jump ahead to topics but I just think that scaring people like those troopers are scaring people and I don't mean to use derogatory terms or whoever those people are that have been sent in the camo outfits without much in insignia at all to help people understand who they are and where they're coming from and what their dilemma and what their own situation is in their hands. But don't you think that that's a scare tactic, because if he's going to do it for people running around with placards, then he could do it. But then again, how would he do that because he would no longer have the power if the election was duly finalized. There is a period between November 3 and January 20. He buys constitutional statutes. He has to be out of that office January 20 at 1159am. So let's let's go back to what we're referring to I call it the Great Portland Roundup, and that is the sending in a federal police on a not identified as what agency they belong to certainly no identification of their names or last names. Certainly no identification of the vehicles in which they're they're driving about in those are from rental car rental places. Basically, these are federal nondescript camouflage clothed individuals that are roaming the streets of Portland and picking people up off the streets and taking them to unknown locations. And that is intimidating and I think that's the purpose of it. That is the whole purpose of it and this does come from our directly from Donald Trump. He threatened the Seattle mayor and the Washington state governor that if they couldn't handle their thing in Capitol Hill the, the chop that he would do something about it. And he he boast and brags about the fact that chop was dismantled one day before he was going to send in federal police and take care of matters. Well, I think what's just disconcerting is that the, the Oregon state governor and the Portland mayor have both said, get off our streets now. And they were refusing to do so. I think that's disconcerting and terrifying. And that is also maybe voter discretion to because when you get fearful, you don't want to have any association, you know, with follow up contacting you because you were somewhere you weren't supposed to be in their opinion. But anyway, no, I just, I think all of this going on from here is suspect and what do you think it's, why do you think he's doing it. I heard somebody on NPR this morning say, he's going to tear down the house. He's, he's home alone. He's not got the polls going for him and he's going to tear down the house as much as he can before he has to get out. And so to me, that made sense because I've been worried at some of these things going on. I mean, I don't understand why the current, what, what's the difference between what was going on in those cities and the Occupy movement. I mean, in several cities, we had huge Occupy movements that went on for months and took over entire city parks and the Occupy Wall Street movement years ago. Yeah, yeah, was that your point? Yeah, I mean, and that that was accepted as a rightful protest and they held out as long as they could and then came the winner. I just really kind of knew about it as the on the East Coast, but yeah, so anyway, I kept thinking why is there any big uproar here with this when we've already had this, you know, occur and we managed it. So, and it went away, you know, as as the president wishes the virus will go away. Well, this this will go away, but with the stimulation of the camo unidentified soldiers coming in or policemen or whatever they're supposed to be. It's, it's very concerning there and they are stimulating the possibility for violence and not enough training and I do worry about that because we have all these movies that have explained very clearly to us civilians who may not be trained that there are rules of engagement. I mean this go and certainly with the police to they're supposed to have rules of engagement. You hear more about not obeying the rules of engagement with police which is crazy in our country. Then you do about the military scattered across the world that are guided by rules of engagement. I mean, you know, that's a good point. That's a good point Stephanie because we don't know what exact agency they're all from. Many of them may have training in crowd control, but I suspect many of them don't. And if you watch their activity and their behavior as they're but you know smacking people's wrist with a baton and breaking their wrist and, you know, putting mace in their face and you know people just standing there as not doing anything in any violent way. But they can't be identified because there's no identification tags and marks on their uniforms. This is camouflage. This is already happening and you know I will remind you and the audience and everybody when people aren't trained for crowd control. It doesn't take much for a another Kent State to happen. Oh, absolutely. I think that's what is fearful fearsome. And the Naval Academy graduate with his t shirt on was a judge made a judgment call that probably wasn't an A plus in the mediation course, but the obviously those he approached had no had absolutely no option for responding to him in any way but violently. There was nobody that acted like they were ready to talk or answer his question and then get, you know, on with it. Nothing they had no no no string in their violin for that that's for sure that was just purity attack. So, that's a really good point they just are not that the training, the lack of training is very apparent that they so we're getting comments, you know from from the attorney general of Oregon State. And I've heard her interviewed several times that there's no legal basis for them to come in without the permission of the governor and certainly permission of the city of any mayor. But one might argue that this is federal property and if it's not being protected that maybe the feds do have some kind of overreaching authority. What's to prevent the governor or the mayor to say, All right, you've sent them in, but their jurisdiction begins and ends with their front lawn and their backyard. The second you step off the front lawn or back lawn of that federal property, you're now in violation of our rules of authority and our rules of engagement. Excellent. There's usually a band, like a 1020 foot perimeter. There's a perimeter. I mean, these buildings are usually very large. I don't know what they are in Portland, but they're usually very large. Certainly ours is out here and larger than Washington DC. But that could be a solution to establishing boundaries. There you go. Yeah. So what we saw in video though, of course, as I refer to is the great Portland roundup is they're driving around and unmarked vehicles from a rental agency, and they're driving on the streets of Portland downtown Portland, stopping picking people up and throwing them in the van so they certainly have breached their jurisdiction if nothing else. And of course to see if they've reached their authority to do these to do this sort of thing, but they're way off their turf. And I think that needs to be reigned in immediately. Certainly. Yeah. Well, we don't have too much time left, but I do want to talk about an issue. Donald Trump has recently appointed back in June, a Lewis DeJoy, and this individual is now in charge of the United States Postal Service. And there seems to be a concern about this particular appointment and that is, to what degree does she act as an independent postal mask, General Master for the post office, and ensure that any mail in ballot that is received weeks or weeks away from the general election day or on election day will actually get to its point of destination and counted. There will be a great deal of discussion about that. I, well I don't know if you've heard of it, but what's your, what's your kind of your thoughts about that. I'm not, I'm not sure. I'm not sure, but is he, he is most likely an acting leader. So, as, as the president has not nominated or put in place at the real, the real everybody at the agencies who's the top person is acting, which is to say, their statutory authority, and they're still then under the guidance of the cabinet and the, and the president, maybe just the president in the executive branch. And that is the case with the post office so he's not making any independent decisions, he can do, he can make whatever recommendations, he will submit to the president this puts the president in the position of actually making the decision so here we go. The post office has been encumbered for decades now with unusual regulations to for use of their funding. I mean they had to pay in contrast to every other agency. And, and especially without respect to their mission, which is ongoing up mountain tops and through rain and 24 seven. They have to pay all of their pension. You know, obligations, they had to fill up their all their pension obligations for like 2030 years or something like that, which just that their budgets, and that that's, I don't know that that's changed. So that's one of the reasons they're in the peculiar situation there in versus all the other agencies that are not under that kind of a requirement. So it's going to be easy to take them. It's not that it's easy. It's just that this, you know, the fox is outside the henhouse and I guess that's a good point, Stephanie. And I guess the question is how do we ensure that the henhouse gets the gets its mail, and it gets to the election centers to be counted and I don't have an answer for it. I have a potential solution and that is, as a voter if you're worried that your mail in ballot is somehow going to be lifted and and put in the in the, you know, in the back alleys of some, some other street, and it won't, you know, won't reappear for a month or two, then maybe it be who's you as a voter to go to an election center and hand deliver your, your ballot, your mail in ballot. I mean, the, the commercials here in Hawaii, certainly alludes to that that if, if you're concerned about mail in ballots and you can drop it off it to a number of election gathering depots and and drop off your ballot there. It's not a bad solution. It's a little bit inconvenient but it's not a bad solution. Let's hope we're starting a trend here. I understand that the defense for saving this, this attack on the post office is that the veterans all receive their monthly checks that but even more important is that the medications are going out through the heavy or bad baskets or boxes than ever before and it would put a lot of people actually at risk of death if they didn't get there. So I mean, there are a lot of just their Excellent point. A lot of red states, a lot of blue states would notice that if that occurred, that's a really great point. Okay, Stephanie, we're almost at our, at the end of our time so real quick as I like to do you have any predictions for the next coming week. Well, I'm going with the burning the house down. What can that mean more than it already does mean. So I'm ready. All right, and ready. You're ready for the the calamity in Washington DC and the potential hurricane coming from Hurricane Douglas heading our way so it comes that's right. Yeah, okay Stephanie hey thank you so much for joining us on Trump week this Wednesday. I'm Tim appachella. Please join us next Wednesday 11 o'clock for Trump week. Aloha.