 We have a lot of questions. Yeah, what are the questions? What do you think we're doing wrong? Yeah. The heat's drawn and everybody waited. So first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. It's for a team meeting in the meantime. So is there anything that I need to add or anything? Now it's time to do it. I'm done. Just before the town manager's goals, I just told Teresa to stick in that second session just because of this. Personnel-related, I mean, not to say that the goals are wrong. No, it's come out of executive and open and talk about it anyway. So I wasn't sure. I texted. Probably can be done in open session. I think Teresa slurs up the schedule all the meetings. Dave isn't here. You think I do? Well, if we can get up before seven, we'll all message him. Yeah, I don't know. No way. He will be in my hometown. Thank you. He missed a short one. Did you say something, Jean? Did you need? I'm sorry. No. You started to say something. No. Was it very good? I may have. Emotional proof? Second. Okay, one favorite. Public comment? Two public comment. One, somebody, and I don't know who. Maybe it was the town, but I doubt it. Put up a little fence at the corner of the, you know, sharp, the turnoff of 12 onto Fenley Bridge, and it's real tight, sharp. Coming from the town direction? From here? Yeah. But if you, right at that, where that point is, somebody put up a little picket fence. Really? White picket fence. And it looks kind of cute. So someone installed a white picket fence. Whose property? It's on the right away, I'm sure. Oh. You don't think the state did it, did you? I don't. So it'll be a problem. It'll be a problem. Well, it'll be, it's bad. Okay. So I'd, well anyway, public comment. Well I guess, is it a problem? It's not, it's not a problem. Okay. I think it looks kind of nice. I mean, somebody's been keeping that corner mold. Yeah. Nice. So. So thank you. Yeah. And the second thing is a question. Not a decision yet, but would there be, would it be a conflict of interest for my spouse, my wife to be the one to take the minutes for the select board? I mean, that's a question that we have. And if it wouldn't, then I'll have. I mean, I don't think there'd be a conflict of interest for my take the minutes. It's a paid decision. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm sure. We can have days that day. All in favor? Yeah. Well, we all review them. So it's not. Yeah, you get to review them. Yeah, we get to review them. I don't see the answer. All right. And I should say that now, you know, I wish I had caught that error in the equity inclusion committee minutes sooner. There was a met an error in there because they wrote that we were missing the boat by not advertising the minute taking position in the list. Well, somebody asleep at the switch because we have an advertising and you guys appointed a Lister back in April. Yeah. So those minutes were wrong. I didn't read them until later. And I was like, you know, I mean, that's up to them too. No, I know I just was going to correct. If someone was here tonight, I was going to say, yes, your minutes were wrong. But we have been advertising that position. And obviously you already appointed a Lister. So there was an open Lister position. But I don't think it's a problem. She can try it and see if she likes it. I just, yeah. And then if she says, I threw it out thinking there's no way she would do it. She hell goes. She said today that. I'll have to meet with her before. I know she's interested in, you know, trying it, but that's fine. And if she decides, you know what, no, I don't think that's fine too. It's probably the most difficult right up front when you start because you've got to kind of get in the groove of, you know, the, you don't want to be too long a little bit. I just keep to the facts. Yeah. Stick to the facts. She was a recorder for our general Synod, which is the quadrennial meeting of our denomination. Oh, geez. So she's, she's taken minutes, everything from verbatim to anyway. So she's had some experience taking that, doing that. And, but we'll, she'll, she's thinking about it. We'll sign her right up. So. No, that was fine. Yeah. My advice is to try it a couple of times, see if she wants to or not. I feel like I have the tables on the right side, right? All right. I'll just get the sign on the back of that. All right. So yeah, that's great. A thank her if she's interested. Yeah. Give it a go. Okay. Any other public comment inquiry? You're done. Move on. Last meeting I just had to ask Theresa at the end there if we could just get a spreadsheet that showed what we had out there from FEMA. So what's been processed today and what our balance is. Yeah, I hope, this is what I think we made for the auditor. So I was like, I'll tell them something. I was giving you the same thing. I wasn't going to rewrite it. So what if it's obligated or not, far left is it obligated. That's a good sign. That means that they FEMA has approved the project and they've set aside the funds and it has a price. So then obviously the PW is just what FEMA assigns it. That's our project work number. Then the name of the project. This is how we ended up naming them for the April 2019. But then it just shows you what we spent in 2019, 2020, anything in 2021, what the project cost is. Then 75% of FEMA is what we are eligible to receive, you know, from FEMA. And then when the paid date is when I've received that money. So the Northwest Quadrant and Pevine on their way. My email from Penelope at the state the other day. Then the 12.5% is the same, obviously, as our share because we have taken all the extra steps. And then remember we just, I had written the, that flood hazard horrible document. So we have, those steps help you get in 12.5%. So you're not on hook for 25. So the state will not pay their ERAF. They won't give us their money until every single one of these projects is complete. So Penelo has to be done. Then they give us their money. 12.5 is what we're on the hook for. And you can see what we have paid for. And down at Pevine, you see I only paid $4,800 because we've just budgeted 118,000 ERAF. So this just shows us, you know, what we're outstanding, you know, what we're looking for for money. So we do know. So it's coming. And as far as Penelo, they haven't obligated the funds yet, even though they obviously know we've put in a temporary bridge. We had met with them, oh, a month ago, I think, and had another meeting with the engineer. So we're still waiting for engineering drawings. So what do they do when they're waiting to pay the temporary once the permanent bridge is done? They won't. Yeah, they haven't even obligated the money. Because they haven't given us the ERAF. Yeah, they said you couldn't go ahead. Well, you had to put in something. Yeah, but no, they won't obligate it until, I think until they approve the final design. And then they'll obligate it as one project. So it's going to be one PW. It's not going to be two separate projects for them. So if I look at it correctly right now, we have, oh, and then what is the CATS-E management cost? That's my labor and time we've spent, you know, putting into the project. And that, I believe we get 100% of. I think so. Yeah, probably not, not until I think PVINE is done. Yeah, I think it's the last. So what we're outstanding is still the 217, 234, the Northwest and PVINE are on their way. So basically what we're holding the bag for right now is PANELLA. And all the state. And all the state, yeah. And they won't give us money. Yep, and that'll go up, but they won't give us a dime until FEMA wraps. I think until FEMA wraps everything up and we get money from FEMA, then they... So our obligation that we have left on the books is 38,000? Of the PVINE, but we still have... How do you count total? Right here? Yeah, we had 118, we set aside 156. And PANELLA? Well, we did the 100, yeah. We have the balance of this. Yeah, I haven't carried over PANELLA yet. I've only carried over our share of the temporary, because we haven't big final design. No, but I meant on the projects that have been completed. Yep, yeah. We still have 38,000. Yes, yep. And we have an ERAF in this year's budget too. Yeah, I think we had 150. Could be a caravan or something. It's going to pay this off and maybe even a part of the temporary bridge. So we should have that... So we're going to still have to budget one more year for PANELLA, but as long as we get a cost... So PANELLA is off of Campbrook? But PANELLA is off from Gilead, I'm sorry. Gilead, yeah. Yeah, off from Gilead. And it crosses Gilead as the bridge you took. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, PANELLA is one house. It doesn't look like it's long enough to have a lot of... Yeah, I know. It's a 100 foot bridge. It used to be a 60 foot bridge. Yeah. It's an ounce of 100. So if the state would just sell us a bridge, it would say, I'm on the way, but I keep pressuring the guys. He's retiring, so I really want to do an event because he's leaving, let me care, but he still says no. It seemed like the other ones cared, but we're doing a water project. I know. I was like, hey, he was like, no, Patrice, it's still not going to work. So we have about 420,000 of coming to us. Yeah. On its way now. The 162 and the 260. Yes, sir. Yep. And then we still are banking the 135 of the PANELLA bridge. Yeah. And the 13 grand worth of... I wouldn't call that banking. The management cost. We've already had that. Because we have some in this current year and then we'll put another into next. Exactly, absolutely. So we're basically carrying the 135 to the PANELLA bridge. Yep. Yep. And we're also... What was our current interest rate on that? I already paid off. Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, no. But we had like... Yeah, was it 2%? I think it was 2.5 or 2.5. Maybe it was 2 even. But no, I paid that off because that was the deal because they were not happy the whole time. So we... We saw our Irene disaster. So I agreed. Every time we got money from the state I would pay them as soon as they did and you paid them off because they were not happy. So when we have an event like this we wind up borrowing in order to pay these kinds of... Yeah, you do because you end up right out of the gate. You're just repairing unless you have a big capital roads budget where you have a capital road fund then otherwise you're borrowing. You can't borrow from ourselves, right? We can and if we have it and we're starting to build up some money now into those funds so if it was a small damage you could but this was a million. It depends on the size of the event like the... not that we're fortunate but the spring floods reached the threshold to activate the emergency services the state emergency but like middle of 2000s when we had we had a bunch of flood up on Canberra Grove that year was it 14 maybe? 2012, 2014, something like that the town probably took on half a million or so dollars with the work up there that was on their own dollar because it didn't... Yeah It was the threshold So it's... And then when it does meet the threshold FEMA will take in 75% and then depending on what your town has in for procedures like we have a mitigation program and stuff if we didn't have it then we would be on the hook for 25% of it but being that we have those measures in place it cuts that half to 12.5% but it's still... in this case it was... So that's why it's important when the governor and the president declare something in a place Yeah Yeah Exactly Yeah It frees up those funds Like for instance, Bennington has had a bunch of flooding two weeks ago Yeah And of course it's not even near the threshold for emergencies maybe they have to spend that under their own... Yeah I mean I think they applied I'm sure the state tried to apply I think they applied for it but I haven't heard that they've gotten it Because what happens that you don't see is every time there's a storm of any sort trees down like when you had that one storm we get a call or an email from either two rivers or from a v-trans to say what do you have because you need every town's damage to help out another town sometimes because if you report your damage maybe you only have a few thousand dollars but if you report it it could kick you over the county level versus the state level So much for county Because if you don't hit the county level or the state level whereas we did right out of April 2019 we had over a million dollars worth of damage and we were actually one of the hardest We were the hardest in the state they told me when so that was in April 2019 so that's why you know we always even if Alan I'll be like yeah but you know how much was it because you kind of want to let might help somebody else out The ones I've heard just in the past have been the ones that haven't met that threshold that will hurt and that like those ones in the mid-2000s that cost quite a bit of money in there and the scary thing is it won't be the last right? No there was a matter of time it seems to be like four or five years you know that's why one of the things when we're like doing now by outsourcing all this ditching and upgrading culverts every culvert if it's 15 inch it automatically becomes 18 if it's 18 it becomes 24 so we're outsourcing the ditching and doing culvert replacement so as storms come we can weather So all of a sudden this stormwater thing in the alright that makes a whole lot more sense all of a sudden to me What stormwater part of the better connections better connections Oh yeah they've been encouraging to do you know in 2014 maybe I went back and Tim and I met we were digging around and we found it they had done some mapping oh think of the guy's name Jim Pease was doing mapping for the whole state so you guys had a map but you didn't have a master plan for your stormwater we actually as part of the better connection did not want that was not our first choice was the master plan Tim and I wanted to do a specific project that we knew was a problem for us and but they were like nah we want you to do a master plan and then you know but you can you can try to say okay we want these three we want you to kind of partially design these three three to five projects and then you be qualified for grant money later to deal with them so but yeah that's why it's in the better so it ended just being 30 grand and quick towards it so so that's why it's nice to have those thank you I mean the good thing we were in slightly better position this time around than we were slightly last time yeah but no it was a lot of work I mean this took us we were still doing yeah we started the first one it was June because we went from June to October that year on four four major projects and the vanilla and vanilla tempera yeah those four and then I did he vined myself later yeah like a road home access yep and peabime peabime was next year yeah yeah because you and I started that in June after yeah that was fun what's good time right you guys are up next yeah boys I flagged I flagged for that flood up on camp road and almost got left up there the last dump truck was going down and I flagged him down and I was like he's like yeah we're all out they were going to leave me up there I had no vehicle because you couldn't drive up they had to bring me up he's like I ain't going to ride with you I'm going to hike down and camp road going to stay it was like nice that's what I get for volunteers when I get to sit at the bottom listen to everybody bitching about you know what I mean I can't go up there yeah people were grumpy well what was funny was we were getting calls because the sign went up about Rochester right that came for us people were calling and now I'm saying I can't go home I'm like yeah that's it we're going to kick you out for months yeah I'm like the first you could go home I'm like it's local traffic we're just saying you can't press the top because Rochester has a close but it was very funny I was really surprised to see some of the calls be like the big truck drivers go until you can't go any further oh what's still happening back at all back to the back do that one I didn't do it again the box trucks up on the gillian they're on all the roads right now Kelly and I made at the bottom of gillian it says Ryan I texted Ryan in the early morning that day I was like do you have any signage we have this gentleman we have Chris was telling us he's getting tractor trailers so I texted Ryan Ryan where they were and he had an old blank that he turned over and we just hand rode it outlined it and Kelly you know covered in red they're on all the roads right now trying to figure out trying to get back up instead of just taking 100 to 107 which would be is there's a sweet road yeah but they're not us navigation won't take you then it's not the shortest route but they're out there on the hill too going out there trying to get over that well think about gillian eventually that's a you know gillian eventually just go past oh yeah you can't even get over there were four of them they're trying the road's gone we're just like at what point do you just look out the window and realize this might be not going right well it's like all the trucks that you see with the big blinking sign on the bottom of mad river in those areas it's like where's the stone you know don't go over in that discussion on the we got out there for FEMA industry and safety we started to talk about some of the signage on the crosswalks in the downtown so I had a nice visit walk with John Kaplan we we met here at the municipal parking lot and then walked down to Spalding Press and then back up to Sandhill and just so he was great he recommended I gave you his email so he's obviously recommending that we purchase some signage I the price for the signs isn't bad it's some fifteen hundred and seventy dollars but what I have to be out the post it's because the steel post that's what's going to be for signing not right now no but we'll see what we have in our sign package and I might have a little money left from buying the two signs that we had budgeted in the police budget if I have money left I can take some out of there so we'll see Alan has putting his list together so we're going to see I'm not sure we'll buy them all this year we might buy some this year some next so we had a good chat about you know safety all the way he said we don't recommend that actually he said that you have the LED signs he said we he could think of one instance where they have this like flat bar he said it reminds you like a police cruiser um and he was just telling like the what we have now or the pedestrian sign it says you know fourteen hundred feet ahead and he's like you really need your crosswalks labeled now for example across from babes um he and I were walking in front of the corner so he said on the babes side of the road you'd have to put pedestrian signs you know facing down so you'd have to do two on that side of the road you know pointing down to the crosswalk um he also gave me this great visibility pattern which was really nice about the marking the bar so that was nice because you don't do what the wheels are so that they you know and that was nice so I had printed this out another he also did some other traffic safety packaging that I gave to um I gave coffee to Alan to look at so he also down by G.W. because G.W. and Sandhill are still basically you know considered school crossings because he asked you know I said well if kids are coming to town this is the only way you know they're going to come so he suggested pedestrian signs and he told us how to sign that so it was good it was very nice he walked the whole thing and then he uh I have known John for a while he said to me we were by uh oh a spalding press he goes can I just talk to you about this for a second it's just kind of a pet peeve of mine I'm like yeah sure you're so proud he's like we had a car pull in and just parked there and he's like it's so dangerous because there's not a delineation of putting in like a median and I'm like because you got money you think we can do that but I said what if we just painted the fog line and then five feet over we painted another white line so it actually delineates the fog line at the end of the actual road what is it eleven you know how big is a lane eleven feet over and then do the fog line and then do five feet where the sidewalk so it actually is going to be lined you know what I mean to spalding press and so I said how about baby steps you know we try that because there might be money down the road for a median because I have seen over the years they talked what I was putting in green spaces there that way it kind of catches any runoff and it filters it you know that sort of thing but I figured we could start with the basics which is paint and we'll already be lined again because you're always going to have a double parked area there so it's still open yeah it's a wide open people routinely exactly whereas he had a plan you know he gave me a plan for just kind of a drafting for a median you know to plant like a couple of you know ballards or some green space or something now that I think there would be money for and that I want to talk to the stormwater master planning people because you may be able to tie that in one day into a project which would delineate it a little bit kind of forces people to go on the opposite side of that median like farms but that's down the road well out in front of the auto parts too yep exactly that whole stretch right there was what he was talking about you're getting told right after the hardware store and this narrow area making it too hard I use that to turn around oh yeah I know I do too I know maybe we can use some of Chris's bump outs there you go well speaking of that those reared their nemesis we they are what my friends happened to remind them I did I saw that what has happened to them it's funny you say that they're going back in but one thing I want to say is that typically the challenge with signage in the downtown area especially how congested ours is is where do you put the sign right because you have like telephone poles you can't put the sign on telephone poles that's on so you have to find your own poles and then there becomes obstructed views and stuff but with the bulb outs in you could put the sign in the bulb out then they come out and they're going to say they have to go yeah because they would be on their own posts separate the other thing you can always do too if you run into issues with the signage you can always delineate it from the middle of the line like you see sometimes we'll have the I don't want to say like it's like an easel with a sign on it that'll be right in the middle of the crosswalk usually sometimes those may have like a blinking yellow light about those if you hit them they come back up eventually what happens we had two in Bristol and people make a mission out of those things it's going to be tight it's just challenging talking to that car and right it's challenging just to figure out sign plates because if you look at like you were just saying the crosswalk across from Babes is on Babeside like where do you put the sign like I mean you'd have to put it like up against the wall on Babeside and it'd have to get really tall posts they can't be because they're specific standards to height because they actually have to point down a medium crosswalk my thought is to start with a couple maybe the two outlying ones and one in the middle first before all of a sudden we just go because we need to do church street yes church street crosswalk we need to do there we need to do one at Sandhill then maybe start at the outline because I'm just not going to be able to spend all the money I typically see these will be done like if you went to Woodstock for instance you would see at the crosswalk they would have a light pedestal with that on the light on the sign right so you have the lighting at the crosswalk because it becomes hard like where you put the signs no it's true and it depends what we have existing because we're not we're not having like three feet by three foot sign is pretty large it is isn't that funny you should see a big sign well we don't want to end up with 20 signs going through downtown too exactly so I think it would it's a great idea just probably to take a little bit of I think so and I think we start with like if we start with the one on this end of town and the one by Spalvin Press let's start with those two because that 1400 foot away sign they're ahead nobody cares about that so if you start with the two furthest part of the painting I'm just like baby steps and I know Mr. Geico was not happy because I said and I told him that the state wasn't keen on flashing light he did not like are you planning to change the the lines the way they were painted to go for the opposite of what they are currently blocks of bars blocks of bars because yeah that's what I was talking to Alan about he's doing that because I think it's it saves you money because you know how they're already I don't know what Tate Joe's going to do what I'm not intervening whatever Tate Joe does Tate Joe does but in Memorial Day when Alan will do his in Labor Day so I think in Memorial Day we do them in the spring let them go all winter get worn out and then in the spring when we start switch on yeah because it'd be nice not to have them in the tire it actually looks like a better wider bigger crosswalk by the church yeah although it probably isn't but it's not re stamping them right I think the stamping in the red paint made them more visible but now they're hard to tell yeah so no I think that would be an ounce of that is the way they used to do in Colorado so they used to pattern it did they say anything about certain colors of crosswalk yeah the crosswalk because I know that's always been I was in a town just recently and they had blue crosswalk markings really it was different but if you talk to the agency I know they frown upon using colors of white he did not suggest anything other than white and anything he gave me that I gave you was white and but I think it was in New Hampshire you've been too many places this summer New Hampshire so anyway so those are what I'm thinking is we start it was launched two little markings with the I think we start with that I think we start crosswalks we do the re-pattern I would like to do the fog line and the strip down by just to see what happens let's just put it into for people to realize hey people can walk or cross there of course you know John's the bike has a safety guide so yeah the height of those I mean I I was thinking are those actually tall enough when you've got cars parked are the signs tall enough to be seen by the drivers I mean that's it'll be a challenge there will be definitely spots down there to find the correct location because we have to be within so many feet of the crosswalk I mean like you're saying it's got to be so high that people when the cars parked there you can see what about delivery trucks delivery trucks they usually want them right on the crosswalk this is what it is because usually they want them right on the crosswalk but I think like the first one we're going to start with is down by swallowing press that's easy peasy but usually the tough part is that they're set by standard you have to follow follow the municipal uniformed traffic controlled by standards so they'll end up you know and well they're the ones usually the state has small I don't want to say grants because they're not even grants but small money that they have towns to buy by safety signs well he's the guy because he does all the grants and we chat a little bit about it I think if we were going to do something bigger but I'm sure if it's a couple of grand you could probably find a way of finding some money the cost of doing business but we're not going to do long no okay and we just start with the basics but I would like the new package and you guys didn't see one way or the other whether you were sold on the LED crosswalk lights at least I think it's such a small town get them painted and get them signed let's start with basics and then we can kind of my feeling is try to layer layer it let's start and we can't do it all at once probably about eight to ten years that would probably be coming back through probably closer to Millan and Bayley the nice spot that was the question of the week oh boy the question of the week are we doing a new payment we're going to pay for everything but those those are things that we should be thinking about now because of the support in some cases it's cheaper just have it as a have it as a participating item in the state bid so like signage in the downtown oh yeah like if you want to go to something bigger like that have the contractor wherever it goes with it and then you just it's kind of like it's kind of like structures or sidewalk and stuff but the states they don't they usually they'll do it through the contractor they usually just tell you yeah well this is state contract pricing but yeah I was also thinking you know what we also have to things back in here in 8, 10 years we have some sidewalk that needs to get redone yes we do like the next time definitely the Pleasant Street sidewalk down in school has to get done but the one behind the on the wall yeah the one on the wall yeah what the states going to do about that thing but that's the the Nurgis reclaimed that whole sidewalk but that's not that old they redid church street not the Pleasant Street down in school no not down in school church street yeah church street they did the bridge five years ago the bridge and I think there's another place when you go down by Spalding Press around the corner to be mine I think that's pretty bad but even that section just past Spalding in front of Fort Fortitude is really old but those would be the spots to identify for because when the state comes through all they do is just the handicapped accessible areas so if there is sidewalk and curb or whatever that we want to do we have to identify the they're not going to pay for it but we need to pay for it to be done at that time well the other thing too is by then we'll have this better connections grant done I think the road tires on the sidewalk down on Pleasant Street a little curb stub on the sidewalk is sucking in I think too that the better connections grant will help with the downtown before the state comes into pay because my hope is that they obviously are going to point out some things that we can do you know yeah the sidewalk from yeah the sidewalk in front of the insurance agency down yeah that all really needs to get we've just done parts of that yeah yeah well we could always do I mean some of those towns they pay one year and sidewalk the next you know you know well you know when you budget whatever we get caught up whatever we get caught up on her exactly when we budget a thousand dollars for sidewalks and then the safe routes to schools is you know sometimes that's yeah that's you know what that is that ends up being like 90% engineering when you could just afford it for you know yeah it all depends I don't know if we all look and see if safe routes to school lets you redo or if it's only ad new further discussion on the pedestrian safety and yeah so we'll let let everybody know that the bulb outs will be back next year alright touching that one that's all yours buddy yeah well I think your name somehow my name will put on them I don't know how that I think too what we'll do is we'll put you know when moving one down to swallowing press might be might be helpful too take some of that pressure bump down but actually you know Rebecca had a good point about that they were out so they just kind of showed up so people she felt like there wasn't a lot of information or newspaper articles education about them so her feeling was that as part of the better connections grant when we kind of roll that out it's like oh next year the bulb outs and you know kind of let people know what they are what the reason is for that sort of thing so people aren't just a week of an engineering it doesn't shrink the they were great ideas and well you'll have to send your comments because I'll let you come down I said you would be one of the few positive comments that we got I said yeah I can't a little black on it yeah sponsor a bulb out yeah make some bulb out yeah make some bulb out make some bulb out make some bulb out I like it that's a good idea sponsor a bulb out man we had talked about it's a last meeting last meeting about hybrid yeah hybrid cost for yeah meetings so I had so there's email and Jean was kind of to ask folks at his church how much they'd spend and they were you know about a $5,000 for the computer camera microphone mixer power spine maybe another $1,000 on internet hardware then I had a lot of digital come in and do an estimate I met with T.J. an estimate there and a copy of you know this is what the system looks like and this is the card it goes on and then I had a nice chat with Rob and Rob said that they they do have an owl and he was going to I emailed him he was going to send somebody down at some point to kind of do some testing I guess for sound issues and then we could maybe borrow their owl but we'd still need to purchase then a television a car maybe some microphones the only thing is too is the owl was about $1,000 and I don't know if you have to pay an annual subscription fee I was trying to figure that out T.J. thought yes but I couldn't tell so but what was very funny was a friend of mine John Haberstock is the manager in Pittsburgh and he had the T.J. they got him all set up with the system he was like I thought good but then I think it's like you know we think you're going to need someone to run it I got it that after meeting he's like we need to buy someone to run this because he's right it's just a lot to manage so we kind of chuckled about it but I know that the equity inclusion committee is talking amongst themselves about finding volunteers to help with it because you would need you know you need a hand so but something I wanted to just throw by the board so just sort of thinking about like community partners that might also use it that could help sort of sponsor some of this upfront costs that goes into it and there's a B.R.I. meeting tomorrow so I could bring this up if the board was interested but just looking at like if B.R.I. was going to use it for Beverly University you know could there be some sort of partnership where we're sort of looking for select board meetings and then other town committees and other town groups can sort of sign up for it much like you would using a space and would that be of interest to kind of explore to help do some cost savings right because I thought that Orca was great about you know the fact that we could maybe whoever came down to we could borrow theirs but the other committees are going to want to use it small enough that we could take it to the town office and lock it up because here's a lot of people have keys and the TV I think is a good idea because the road crew can do trainings here now instead of traveling for trainings a lot of the road trainings now are online so the TV gives a place where they could do it here they could socially distance you know because doing at the town bar is difficult so I'm not sure so I'd have to look up comes down and see what they think because the acoustics actually Vermont digital is not as bad in here as I thought it was going to be as far as equity and so we'll just have to see but frankly until we get someone you know to volunteer to come and do it I just want to do it right now just an update and also let's just throw that right out there quickly for cost sharing models and looking at other ways to make it so that we can afford it our camera at the church can be controlled from the computer to hand zoom focus so it's not just set there so that comment plus I would also say that this past Sunday we didn't use that setup up in the sanctuary we wound up with a basically a webcam that goes like goes you buy to attach to your computer except it was sitting on a tripod and in our fellowship hall which is it's not as open and as echo-y as this is but I was amazed at how well that microphone picked up the noise and the sound from members of the congregation who might have been sitting in 25, 30 feet away wow it was and what people could see in that yep oh nice so that was much less expensive yeah the other thing about need I'm not brought up about you I've got to have somebody to manage it yeah our system is more complicated at the church than I think we would want or need yeah I think it's just it's hard to this one this one I labeled that camera this one does follow you around so when people speak the camera goes it and maybe that's the case with the owl yeah so but so anyway so where I'm still looking at it I still need to come up get some more numbers to see once Orca comes down we'll have a little better idea about that but honestly we all know I got to find 30 grand I can find water sewer money for retirement I can do that well there's yeah so that I can do and I'm still trying to look through the general fund so you know that's the hard thing right now is it's something you could budget for in the next year's budget but this year we're already we're already starting it would be nice to see if there's some sort of potential co-operate throughout the community you know yeah there are a couple of people that are coming to mind that would be nice the guy who's done all of the Wi-Fi through a bevel oh yeah Justin Justin I mean he might be willing to help with sourcing things so just thinking about what our community partnerships are that yeah Justin's good I mean he's hard to wrangle right now because it's been so busy we've seen him a couple of times off and on but I'm not saying it's not a good idea I'm just saying yeah I'm not prepared to give you anything because I still need to see me there might also be some civic minded organizations like churches or Kiwanis or not Kiwanis Mason yeah who might be willing to or rotary you know rotary to give the town a couple hundred bucks or whatever or buy a piece of equipment that now has their name on it that's great that's a good idea yeah the Mason Mason's plasma screen TV that's right absolutely yeah the RI owl right so yeah I mean I think it's worth you know asking about him and if you you know reach out to Justin that's too would be a good idea because he you know he can get stuff sometimes you know deals on stuff that was my thought is he's sort of in that world he may be able to find us some deals and do some of the initial setup if we can then find somebody who's running it and then then a monitor because the television you could do the trainings you could have a laptop since it's a little more versatile and buddy said he could find one cheaper and a little bit smaller than this then would he could do it for another we're just kind of waiting but you know without something in front of it so well not to mention what he said I think the biggest challenge we have right now is normally budget challenges don't happen until January and February when we're in the winter you know you never know if the winter's bad not bad we're already behind the eight ball $30,000 on the hand down retirement issues that now we have to be faced with which is that's one and a half cents on the tax rate and then you know you know we waive the rental fee you know for here for the historic site you know all those things you know who knows what appropriations will be you know made so the answer is not going to happen this year right it may be but I mean I left it not unless it was gifted or some well but that's but that's yeah but whether or not it should be considered in next year's budget oh absolutely it's a completely different question oh I think so and definitely I have no in the budget it gives us time to figure out structure potential sharing partners and all that and the critical piece of how do you get it staffed right and especially if others are going to use it yeah well I think it'll be some sort of it'll be interesting to see how we shift into wintertime and what COVID does and then prompt this issue and then you might get community partners who step up more readily because they see you know it's a more immediate need right I don't know I'll I'll do some digging there you go thanks yeah no it's worth it and so and I'm still like I'll have more data from you know from you know but I already met from on digital and she had got some information so I mean we already you know we're working on it and because this does impact the individuals at a town hall setting that normally would be at a select board meeting you know this might not be a bad one for town meeting day that we put as a separate you know separate line item boat XMAP dollars or whatever it is and that way the community has a direct vote into you know does that amount of money to expand the opportunities you know make sense with community but I mean who knows what else will get served with between now and October November yeah Jesse I have a question uh comments just to throw my personal support it was pretty clear even with our needs which we just an opportunity even more about being able to engage even if they're just listening more so I just want to remind you I'm also curious what because I know you're talking to some companies who are pretty you've got you know tons of fancy equipment to offer yeah we're looking at yeah we went with Vermont Digital they just had them so we wouldn't even have to purchase one but say the EIC wants to use it we don't own it so we'd still need a TV so we're looking at kind of all the options and the EIC was pretty open you know I think Jean had challenged you guys to find someone to help staff it so um which is good um which would be nice well I in the packet that's on the website if you look at it you can see Vermont Digital gave us there they had done one for I can't remember one office but it was a camera and their whole packet so it was like 2600 bucks for the camera the laptop for 900 which we don't need because we already have one um another the car was like 800 or the TV was 850 and then the car to put it all on so it's all in one even it was like another 950 bucks but um when I talked to our contactor TJ he said you know what this is done if you went with the owl that's about a thousand bucks I'm not sure if there's an annual subscription fee or whatever with the owl about uploading or storage um so we have the laptop so we're looking at different options and jeans at their church didn't give me the details but they spent about $5000 on their mix and then another thousand on internet hardware so for some of those costs we wouldn't have um and we were just saying you know the TV would be good because it would help you know for trainings as well because the states do a lot of retrans training so um so yeah so we're kind of looking at all options obviously you know the other one we've done before is just zoom and um which is you know a little bit tricky or not tricky you just have to kind of turn the laptop and then you're trying to deal with this so it's not ideal but we're we're broadcasting to zoom and both of those can be interactive so that's a and so are the people who are staffing it uh are they're running the mixer they're running the camera they're using open source software to to do all the mixing and and so on so there's there's a pretty steep learning curve for what we're trying to do and our stuff is all hard wired into the building so it's a it's an ambitious project our technical advisor was Seth Stoddard who is the uh Chandler their their guy and he's a member of the white church or the brick church and so he's set up a system there that's pretty much a mirror image um of course we might have some challenges with what we can and cannot do with the building too right right because it has to be horrible in nature yeah well that's the merits of the cart with the TV and that's we're not mounting it to a wrong yeah exactly because of that hole and the advantage of an owl is see our camera is only in one place it's in a fixed location so it only sees in one direction and it sees you know out 120 degrees maybe but the owl sees 360 so it would see us and it would see you at the same time and that's a you know that's two cameras yeah I think it follows whoever talks right yeah it's the same thing well it's cool it depends yeah and in yeah boom yeah it has its drawbacks anyway so we're looking at you know we're kind of looking at all options from the this to that trying to sort it out so we'll have a little more information at some point we'll make a decision but there is a note in the budget discussion already I keep the same spreadsheet and put a note in there for the next budget discussion too just in case so I'm sure and then you know like like Lynn Leo's saying who knows what will happen yeah or winter and maybe the need becomes greater but then there's just money but that would come with that probably you know what I mean the need might become greater or yeah let's see how that works no we're not done yet we're not so town managers report so we let's see so okay so Ryan and I met with Jeff Gilman and WB Rogers on Friday with the East Bethel and we're going to do Gilead another day we got through East Bethel though so that's good I think he's going to start this week I think he's going to start hopefully East Bethel and then he's going to do Sanders Road because he won that bid which was separate a while ago and then and move on to Gilead so he's he's clear that you're coming in you're turning right off of to go up the hill toward oh yeah I mean the brand is the job yeah we walk the entire job the reason I'm asking is because my daughter who lives the other direction across the bridge thought she saw somebody marking or doing a survey or something marking on the opposite side on the opposite side towards the range yes that's probably the people who are taking the dam out that would be my guess it's not us it's probably someone taking the dam out because they're doing that okay is that only a little electric company or is that no I can't remember he is the engineer and I I think it was part of I want to see if we I think it was we talked about it last year I was going to say I was going to say really proud of her yeah she was wondering yeah that's my guess yeah it's not us yeah we did we walked the whole thing with them so the dam is coming out that's the place we supposed to come last year and they didn't take it out but so you saw the packaging happen in this parking lot that looks nice very much nicer driving on anyways working with well's communication and fire chief Dave altergetty to install a repeater that we budget for to increase the communication area for the road cruise that would go up on north road I already got permission from Dylan McCullough to put up on their barn with the fire which is waiting for Randolph's fire department to get their ladder so we have a little assistance there so can't use that boom truck that I know they'd say they're telling me it's not my fire so that's what I heard the other thing is I gave you a copy of the RFP for the Bethel for all those are in and there's I think we got four of them if I want to say this four that we're reading that are due not for you guys but those of us on the immediate reading have to provide feedback so I just thought you might want to see it so it was exciting when you go to approve you know because eventually whoever the RFP the flow bidder is will come in front of you I'm just wondering how do they figure it's a group of stormwater plan with village accessibility I mean it seemed like too totally different I know it's just funny it's just the way that the way I know it's funny it's an economic component so when they put out you know the RFP people you know and that's what they do there's people just looking at the state bid site all the time for these type of things and then they partner like Du Bois and King partners with other people to put a bid forward but you're right it's funny it's like downtown accessibility plus stormwater you know yeah it's funny but I think if any of them have a stormwater piece that comes with it so I think they just know what to look for but you're right it's odd it is odd so just in case you heard there was an accident this morning involving one of the town's equipment it was all of our processes procedures were followed it was not our operator our operator had all his lights on followed all of the traffic standards and was going to turn left to Christian Hill and someone decided to pass him on the left and ignore the fact that blinker was on so obviously they they hit a piece of our heavy equipment the equipment I believe is fine and our driver is as is the driver of the truck but you know state police were called and they were unable to come because they were out on another call but filed insurance claim and all that sort of thing so everybody was fine and was in no way shape and form so just in case you hear rumor around town yes everybody's okay it's always my first question we fix everything else so we'll be dealing with the other driver's insurance company no so what happens is we file we'll go through our insurance company and they'll subrogate out of the other they'll do the negotiating at least we'll call and we file report and then you know Alan the road foreman is certainly adamant that maybe a ticket is issued and he said you know be adamant about it because you know the driver our driver can always if someone fights at our driver we'll just go to court and testify I got my account but so we'll see that's all of our hands of the legal that portion but it has been so yes Tato's coming along they're hoping to wrap up here in a couple of weeks some odds and ends left it'll be nice to have have to slow the next year we'll spend a lot of time doing locates and you know for the next for the next phase so it's always looking ahead but that is it we covered no unless you have some questions I'm good anything further really good good we have the select board meeting minutes from the 26th of July looked good to me yeah make a motion we accept I wasn't here so second all in favor I'll say EA EA and there were some other communications in the packet back yep so you could see that the listers now Judy is now the chair chair on one of the listers now Judy is she still going to finish out her full term no or is she I don't know when she's going to retire but I figure that's that's what I was assuming her yeah it was going to be yeah that's what I thought too so I don't know so then yeah rec committee rec minutes they they ended up having to cancel the because nobody registered so you saw minutes just too bad hopefully next time people you know register in advance so it was too bad also you were all in a presence yeah given presence from the historical society Joanne Marshall was in the day and gave them to Chris and thanked you all for your consideration I did go through and write a note so that you can see what we're looking for from each department and how I'm going to try to you know how much I have is an unbudgeted expense for retirement so that's kind of the way I look at everything is like a public works at $16,000 66 and rec so I I appreciated those numbers so I just try to have to go through and look at it I'm not sure I mean it's July I'm already trying to save money so you know I'll do what I can but at least that way kind of lets everybody know and then I'm going to write that up and let um well in some way I guess it's good that we found out about it in July and not like people exactly yep and then what happens is oh I will Deetre usually just copies the financials for each one of the department heads and so when she does it and let them know like okay so Alan I need you to try to save $16,000 out of your budget and here's some ideas how we're going to come up with the money which so it's challenging like if you go through like you know it if you don't ask if you don't start if you go you know let's do what we can it's really going to be weather dependent like if you go through a very fair weather winter probably no problem if you go through a classic we don't know yet well we haven't been audited yet so I don't like to say too much obviously we made out because we didn't open the pool so the pool is not self-sufficient by any stretch so obviously you've saved all that labor and you know so there was savings from the pool and there were some other savings so I think that we so there's my early numbers look like we have a sort of loss there was quite a bit of savings but we also don't get much because the pool you know expensive so far I'm more just curious like do you see some of that maybe helping defer some of that so that Alan's number is not 16 it's 12 or you know it's possible because there is if we would be great if we finally have an undeservated unbalance wouldn't it and so and then we could talk about what to do with it but I think you know this is where we're at so everybody needs to rethink over time everybody you know I mean it doesn't I'm not saying we're going to come up with it all but it doesn't hurt to set the standard early to say we need to look for this so if you think this is the year you're going to do X maybe it doesn't hurt to drop the challenge with the department head that's what I'm saying show me you can come up with it exactly I mean water sewer I know that Tim runs his system tightened up and then for them it's a little bit different it's not as much money it's you know the biggest department obviously is is wrote so we'll see but they also have the biggest budget too to play with you know if you don't have enough salt last year we said okay we spent more gravel less salt this year it's going to be like you know see how we do but this year he also started to talk about so he's a good position like this but I don't think it's something that's going to cure itself in one time you know I can easily see it's getting hit maybe not this hard but definitely hiring yeah and it's just and we hadn't seen one we hadn't seen one for a while either so we had you know our normals 13.84 so that budget is 15 you know what you saw this is crazy so next year obviously we'll do a little more is there a way for us to transfer to the other one that was you said it was a hard no it was a hard no I asked her before when I came because I was part of Beamer's and just said you know how did they end up here she's like I don't know somebody a long time ago made a decision and I said can we transfer she said no and then I emailed her and said well I'm late of all the new challenges blah blah can we go to Beamer's and she's like never I'm like okay but because I thought maybe they'd want you to go but they probably don't want to transfer that liability to Beamer's because Beamer's is is self-sufficient they kind of take care of their their own money so they're not this big outstanding thing so yes I definitely think we need to do that obviously I look at health insurance every year and sometimes it's close I just we've stayed where we are at MVP but we'll have to see what you know if Blue Cross was a different change year change year change year a couple years Blue Cross was higher and then it's kind of so we'll look at that again this year like we always do but it's tough you know those are the bigger portions of the budget insurance and salaries but you're right because it's a broken system and we're you know I'm not comfortable budgeting just 15% again we'll have to budget higher and again it's one of those budgeting you think you know what the number is going to be and then they set the number after you budget so it's such a backwards system well and the other thing is too is that you know if they do this table every five years that's crazy because I did review the statute I wrote to the lady and said what to to Jan who sent me someone else and I said can I see the statute please and she said should we do this every year not every five years so last time they did it it was in October so it was totally out of I wasn't sure but yeah it's only going to get worse I'm afraid so you know they need to stop we think that you would have an option you need to start putting people in like 457 plans like coming higher now and stop doing this defined by the plan it seems to me that it might not work for us as a town to formally contact our representative notify our representatives that this kind of thing after the adoption of a budget is is a hardship on the towns and this kind of thing is going to happen we know it's going to happen but if you can say all right we know that town budgets are starting on June 1st or whatever that would be the effective date of this this kind of an action I think it's a problem we've already done that we've already done that we've already done that one of them wasn't a very favorable response yeah but we've already told we talked to them and so we let them know I talked to someone at the state and the state had the same fiscal year we do it's not a surprise to them when our fiscal year is the same but we did already speak to our state representatives and they've both we've talked to Kurt and Dick McCormick they're both you know continuing to look into it I did send them the statute and stuff but pretty much the state's responses this is the way it's written in statute I know one of the legislatures was you know certainly going to look into it but they're the ones who make the statute so if they need to change they need to change it but when I read the statute I realized I did not most but then especially if it requires a statute but they know that and I've told both I've sent the information to Dick so they're aware what the statute is I mean the retirement attention programs have been known for probably 20 years now that they are broken programs and you've seen it at the more the private level you know like my company you know they froze those pensions years ago you know froze them and then have went to a 401k type system and the states and the unions chose not to do that and you know there is no light at the end of the tunnel I mean it's continuing to get worse so it's and it just I guess it's frustrating when we don't have an option like you think at least like can we transfer to somebody else like you know you're just stuck and unless they you know unless our legislative body you know makes adjustments which you know they really need to because nobody's making out on the deal right now you got the teachers in the state you know looking at their retirements being a lot less than what they thought yeah and it affects everybody it affects mine I would really look at it means you know if they depending on the changes that they had suggested that they haven't adopted because they formed a committee but when they had the suggestions they had adopted before I was going to lose money because of the new plan it's not what you signed up for and now all of a sudden because of the benefit yeah you'd have to work an additional whatever six, seven years and yeah and the benefit was it was a significant loss for what you had worked for and started the system at and so but then they kind of pulled on that and said that they would you know they have a committee forming so I guess it's one of those hard decisions that you need to go into it looking at kind of like ripping the bandaid off you know that's true I think if you're not invested maybe just give your money back or put it yours and the contribution before we came to stop anybody who's in it close retirement just let them finish out they have to do something different and they had some changes and one of them was not letting anyone be fully vested for 10 years and I think that was going to be a discouraging for young people yeah it's usually 25 it's far not right now for visas and that's why I'm a beamer but especially when the average person only works in a place now for four or five years you know I mean those days of having those 25, 30, 40 year you know 40 years you know but when you had a defined benefit it was worth it yeah the good years and stuff well that was that that was part of the mid 20th century employers literally had to have benefits or they wouldn't have benefits and the benefits packages that were put in place at that time including pensions healthcare healthcare package then was a whole lot more comprehensive than than they are now it's I understand from the perspective of the employer it's one thing but from the perspective of the employees somebody gets somebody's paying the pipe or paying the bill exactly and in our case this is what you expect and then all of a sudden you're like oh by the way you're going to get less so then what you originally planned and obviously when it's part of your package and then you're okay now on top of that you can work seven years longer yeah it's not fair the system's not fair anyway it's not fair 82 Trace will still be in battle I mean it's good for us job security not fair for anybody any other business come before the board when we move into executive session to talk about the town manager's goals for the oh that's good to say we're talking about it's it's like you're just going to leave it here it is I move we go into executive session second to discuss town manager's goals okay all in favor all right all right