 Gwyn fawr, dros gyda'r gaelig ysgol gyda'r Gaelig ydyn nhw ymgyrch. Yn ymweld yr Ysgol cyfreidio a'r Gaelig gyda'r parlymyn ysgol yma yn Edinburgh. Rwy'n dweud ymgyrch ar gyfer y parlymyn ysgol cyfreidio online ar www.scorcheparlymyn.tv ac hynny'n dweud yng Nghymru Cymru. Rwy'n eu cyfrifio am y deoedd, a mae ein bod nhw ymweld yr dweud. Fy roedd cei'r ddelch yn ddyf wedi bod yn cyflawn i gaelch yn yr ysgoleth y Prifysgol. Ru'n bwynt i gaelch yn John Scott! Fy roedd y dyfyniad i'r sydd yn gaelch yn yr ysgoleth. Fel ei ddifrwyddiol ysgoleth, mae'r drwsgrwm yn ddydd yn worlodd, os rydym ni wedi cymdeithasol yr ysgoleth sydd yn cyngorol i gaelch yn rhaid i hynny. The BTL op a debate won the event of the year at last week's Gallic awards in Glasgow. Congratulations to them. This year we saw 22 teams competing, representing 17 schools from throughout Scotland. The semi-finals were held last night in the Scottish storytelling centre here in Edinburgh, and what a challenge the judges have tonight. Getting through to tonight's final, please welcome our first team, Nicholson Institute C, Maddy MacLennan and Colm Nicholson. And from Dingwall Academy A, please welcome Ella Scar and Megan Dale. Congratulations to you all for reaching this stage. Now I would like to welcome all of you who are listening on Radio Nringale on radio, and also those present here tonight in the Scottish Parliament. And also I'd like to welcome our judges tonight. First of all next to me here is Maggie Cunningham. Maggie lives in Procton and she is chair of MG Al Ape. Maggie spent almost 20 years at the BBC, and many of those years were spent in upper management. Along with Maggie is Joe McDonald. Joe's been a judge here at the final a couple of times, and she also spent many years at the BBC, also in upper management in the garlic department. Beside them is Angus MacDonald. You will be familiar with Angus from his news presenting on BBC Al Ape, both on radio and television. If he's not to be found in the newsroom in Stornoway, you'll probably find him on his Croft and Swaddle in Point. So please welcome our judges. I'd also like to welcome and thank representatives from BT Scotland who are here tonight. They, along with many other groups, support the Gallic Schools debate. Also, thanks to Cunningham, and she are BBC Al Ape, MG Al Ape, Cwm yn y Gallic, Projektyn yn Yaldaen, Bordd yn y Gallic, and the MRG group. And finally tonight I'd like to welcome Iona MacRitchie, who is a senior producer at BBC Al Ape's news department. She has had a busy year being involved in broadcasting the referendum, and the debate is nothing new for Iona. She was in the team that won this in 1999. Please welcome Iona. That wasn't yesterday. And now some information about the rules of debate and the format of this evening. Each speaker from each team will have six minutes. First of all, the first speaker will speak for the argument four, and then there'll be a speaker against. The second speaker from each team will then have five minutes, and as usual, we'll be coming a close eye on the time. If you're running out of time, that is the noise you will hear. When you run out of time, this is the sound you'll hear. You'll be penalised if you run over and points will be taken away. Each team will then get five minutes to question the opposition with a bell to mark the end of that time. And one speaker from each team will then get between a minute and two minutes to round up. I think that's enough from me. We'll now start tonight's debate and our subject tonight. In the world of media, the gales have nothing to learn from the lowlanders. I'll say that again. In the world of media, the gales have nothing to learn from lowlanders. So we begin with the Nicholson Institute C, who are for this argument. Please welcome Maddy MacLennan. We want to be clear about the difference between the garlic world of media and the English world. In the last census, one out of one percent understand garlic. In the world of English, we have about 50 million speakers in this country. Garlic media gets 13 million. English media gets the billions. From that point of view, we do not see that the gales have anything to learn from the lowlanders. Before we look at gales and the lowlanders, we have to look at first of all what we mean by the word media. Now that means any way in which you communicate whether that be written, whether it be viewed or listened to. Now for this debate, we take media to mean radio, TV and newspaper. And when you think of English media, what do you think of? Arguments, hacking, arguments between commercial companies and sensationalism. And when you search the BBC and Google, it's scandals that appear. They have an insane amount of money and they will be taken to court if they do anything wrong. And these laws have had to be amended recently because of the carry-on that they've had. And that has affected the freedom that people have had to communicate publicly. And do you want the gales who are involved in media to be just like them? No, you don't. The lowlanders, they could learn a lot from the highlanders, from the gales. The gales are very creative with the funding that they receive. They create an awful lot with very small budgets. There are no other broadcasters in the United Kingdom which create as many programmes from as little funding. If you think about Machar o'r Gruhyswag o'r Y Orby o'r Bannan, the drama Bannan costs a fraction of what an English drama costs. The Gaelic programmes have to be as good or better than the English programmes. The BBC receives a fortune every year. The BBC in Wales receives over 100 million each year. You have to watch BBC all over for 15 minutes to be classified as a viewer of BBC all over. But in Wales you only have to watch for three minutes to be classified as a viewer. There are 10 times as many Welsh speakers as there are Gaelic speakers. So that means that there are more of them who watch their programmes. The second point. The Gaelic broadcasters have a particular responsibility to promote the language, something that lowlanders do not have. It's very difficult to judge the success of a minority language broadcaster by looking at the viewing figures. If they start to compare themselves to the English media, then it makes it very difficult when the promotion and the expansion of the language is vital. The Gaelic broadcasters don't see everything through commercialise. It is excellent that there is no advertising on BBC all over which break up the programmes. If you think if Coniach Mawr appeared in the middle of Bannant, trying to sell you a tin of links, or chassis lexie modelling spandex. Another important point. Gaelic broadcasters does not need a watershed either. The Gaelic broadcasters don't need or require misbehaviour or bad language to attract them to the TV programmes. They are attracted without these things. Do you think the Gaelic broadcasters would appreciate the likes of Russell Bran, Jonathan Ross, with their bad language? No they wouldn't. So it is the lowlanders that should learn from the Gaelic broadcasters. Now if you think about the Gaelic broadcasters who have reached the higher levels in broadcasting Finlay J and Alec MacDonald. Now I've mentioned TV and radio, but Callum will talk about the newspaper. The English media, as the phrase it here, Norman McLeod on STV, and Tony Kearney they are representing programmes in English. Look at how the lowlanders want to listen to the Gales, but you don't see it the other way round. These are Gales who have abilities as good or better than the lowlanders. Callum will follow that up. Thank you. Sorry I can't quite hear you properly because I meant to have a feed, but I'm just going to have the door open. Thank you very much Maddy McLeod on there. And against the motion from Dingwall Academy A, please welcome Elascar. Thank you for everybody. Thank you for everybody assisting me last night and the medical assistant I got from Google. I'm okay now and hopefully I'll get through the next six minutes. Ladies and gentlemen, the Gales haven't been far behind the lowlanders in the last few years, but it's clear now that they are well behind. We have had newspapers in Gaelic in the past. We've had them since the 19th century, but we do not have a newspaper now anymore. Now, even though we were here two years ago, talking about the day of the newspaper being over, they are the foundation upon which media has been built. We used to have the Gaelur newspaper, but unfortunately the Gaelur is no longer, but we shouldn't be disappointed about that. Just this Monday a new newspaper was released the national. The Gael should learn from this. Who knows that we might have a new Gaelur very soon. The new Gaelic channel, BBCYllab, was established in 2008, and what confidence it gave us that we were deserving of our own channel. Before that, we only had a very small number of programmes on TV quite often in the small Irish. No wonder Gaelic was reducing. People didn't have the skills that they needed. We now have the channel, we're delighted with that. But if it wasn't for the lowlanders, for those in the BBC in particular, and the abilities that they have, we wouldn't be able to run the channel. It is the skills and the abilities of the lowlanders that allow us to run BBCYllab and Radio Nangale. It's an excellent thing that we get support for the Gaelic. I'm delighted to say, though, that we are seeing more and more highland names appearing in the credits at the end of programmes. This is showing progress in terms of the skills and experience that Gaelas have with support from the lowlanders. We should all learn from one another. A word now about the types of programmes that are to be seen on BBCYllab. There's a wide range of programmes available between drama, educational programmes, children's programmes, documentary, arts, sports. It's the mix of programmes that we would expect from the channel. Looking at the programmes that others have produced over the years, it is reasonable to think that Gaelas would follow the format that other channels have had previously. We learned from the lowlanders like that. But we only get six or seven hours each day. We should learn from the lowlanders and broadcast programmes throughout the day. The documentary on BBCYllab are enjoyable in social studies, geography and history. They're very useful. But many of these programmes are bought in from other channels elsewhere like National Geographic. And then they're dubbed into Gaelic. So BBCYllab wouldn't be able to show us these interesting programmes if it wasn't for the non-gales creating them. But it is a new channel and there are more and more Gaelic programmes. And the more programmes that are appearing with Gaelas and them show us that we are learning new skills and experience from the non-gales. Drama might be one of the biggest holes that there has been. Everybody enjoys drama. Who doesn't watch East Enders or Cornish Street? We used to have Machar years ago and everybody enjoyed it. But the thing is the writers were writing in English to begin with and then were translated into Gaelic. There were non-gales who were behind it to begin with. They didn't have any Gaelic. The writers were non-gales as well and when the gales started writing it the viewing numbers dropped so it was the non-gales that were making it good. So finally now we have a drama BBCYllab at Bannon and we really enjoyed seeing us in Gaelic and the technical team and the writing team were all gales and that shows that we've learned from a lot since the time of Machar. But interestingly enough it's a production team that produced in between us that created this programme so it's the non-gales again who are showing us how to do it. So we've learned a lot from the non-gales. There are lots of repeats though on BBCYllab. But before I leave it's good to learn from others. That's my main point. Thank you. Elasgar there. And now our second speaker from each team and they have five minutes each. So for the argument first of all from Nicholson Institute C please welcome Colin Nicholson. Friends, as you heard from Maddy we are for the argument that the gales have nothing to learn from the non-gales in the world of media. It's impossible to imagine that the other team could even think about saying that the gales could learn anything from the non-gales. As Maddy has already shown you there is no section of media where where Gaelic gets more money than the English. The recommendation that we would have is when are the gales going to show the non-gales how they should be running media. There's no doubt that the gales have made a lot of progress in the world of media. All you have to do is listen to the radio, TV or any newspaper and you'll see how gales have impacted elsewhere. Look at BBCYllab by and how much they create and do for Gaelic as Maddy has shown us. If you look at BBCYllab in Gael in 2010 they won the radio station of the year against other stations such as Radio Scotland, Radio 2 and Radio Wales. People had to strive for years to reach where we are today in Gaelic media. We had to show that we are better than the non-gales and gales today are running the BBC in Scotland like Donald MacKinnon, Ken Macquarie. Now that is progress for you and it proves that the gales if we are given the opportunity we are as good and in many ways better than the non-gales. Mally spoke about TV and radio but there are gales also at high level in newspapers. We look at Torcal Crichton from the All of Lewis. He started at the West Highland Free Press and he is now an editor at the Daily Record based in London. A couple of months ago Angus MacLeod passed away and he had been raised in Plastafell outside Stornow and he was the Scottish editor of The Times. So there are two examples of two normal gales who reached a very high level. Doctor Who is seen as one of the prime programmes on the BBC. Douglas MacKinnon, I think from the Isle of Skye. So the non-gales now take the talent from the Gaelic world to supplement the English world. This is proof once again that there is nothing for the gales to learn from the non-gales. Now we are talking about Tele. What about the programme Yorpe? It is the only programme that looks at Europe that is available in anywhere in Britain. That programme has been running for over 20 years now, winning national and international awards, proving that it is a special programme. Again, gales ahead of everyone else and producing programmes that are unavailable in any other language in this country. There are plenty stars from that programme from the Highlands who started off in Gaelic. We have Michael Bachanan, who is at a high level in the BBC. There is not that long since he was working in the BBC World Service. Also, you have the likes of Julie Fowless on North Eust, who was singing in Gaelic on the film Brave. She is now proving herself at the level of Hollywood, and she has just been awarded to her services for services Scottish Music, the first gale to receive such an award. If you compare her to the stars that the non-gales have, Rupert Murdoch, Rebecca Brooks, Piers Morgan and Russell Brand, they have brought a bad name to the industry. They don't care about the impact they have on people. Friends, what on earth do the gales have to learn from the non-gales? Not a thing. Thank you. Thank you very much, Colin Nicholson there. The final argument from Dingwall Academy A, please welcome Megan Dale, chair, ladies and gentlemen. Ella started her discussion looking at the history of gaelic media. I started thinking that the gael has been like many other newspapers and fell away, but we are falling behind now with gaelic media and media has changed a lot. At one time, TV was a new exciting thing, but now it is the internet and social media, which have priority. Social media gives gales the opportunity to broadcast themselves and promote gaelic, and we should be taking these opportunities and taking advantage of these networks that have been created. A few years ago, they tried to produce mygaelic.com for gales. That was thousands of pounds that were spent on that years ago, but nobody wanted to use it because we had Twitter, Facebook and MySpace, and we used that. People were just writing in gaelic and broadcasting there, but today we see more and more gaelic appearing online on Facebook and on Twitter. There are groups on Facebook that broadcast a lot, and we are thankful for the people who created these networks for us, and we see how other minority languages use these international networks. That shows that we are learning from the non-gales, and that is a good thing. As part of the social media week that happened two years ago, gales debated where gaelic stood in social media, and a question was asked should apps and programmes in gaelic be created and they were unanimous that it was better to use existing networks like Facebook and Twitter instead of creating a new network. That shows again that we are learning from the non-gales. It's no good to create a box for ourselves that's just got gales in it. We have to bring people in from numerous places and show them the skills that we have and the things that already work. In the 19th century Karl Marx said that workers should take the opportunities that they had. We are now suggesting that minority languages keep an eye on what is happening throughout the world and take control of the means of communication. One way of doing that and a way that's been done effectively in the UK and in other countries is crowdfunding. That means that people are creating newspapers or digital channels with money and funding coming from the people who are going to be using it. Wingsoverscotland.com is an example. A website that was promoting the yes side and the referendum. That website now attracts a lot of people. Gales can learn from that and look at getting funding for a YouTube channel or something like that. That will be a good thing. It's a lot easier to do something like crowdfunding because it gives people the opportunity to control their broadcasting. Something else that we have seen is that the BBC controls the media. That's a good thing. That the BBC controls the voice of the gales too much. BBC Allop and Radio Nangale. That may restrict the output that we hear. We should use social media and look at international examples. This will help a lot on how gales are seen internationally. We can also look at what the... It's not good to put people in a box of gale or non-gale. If we've only got 60,000 people to speak gaelic, we have to look out with third box not just within this box. There's nothing that we will learn from the non-gales. Thank you. Thank you, Megan Dale. Now is the opportunity to question each other and to remind you of tonight's subject. In the world of media, the gales have nothing to learn from the lowlanders or the non-gales. First of all, for this, the Nicholson C. You said that BBC Allop isn't broadcast through it today. But if you had the budget that BBC Allop has, if you gave another channel that budget, £13.8 million, what kind of programmes would you then get from that? If you're talking about money, why not look at the crowdfunding that we were talking about and then create more programmes? They don't have enough just now. But do you think about the budget they've got? You can't do that much with such a small budget. You were saying that there weren't enough programmes to be broadcast all day, but how are they going to do that with such a small budget? If you look at these tenders, which spends £30 million a year, what we're saying is that they should use things like crowdfunding and social media to attract more funding. Why aren't the gales using that? And when the programmes are more successful, that attracts more funding. And that's how it works. Because if they're not successful, then they don't attract any funding they stop. Wasn't Bannon successful? And Yorby? That's one national and international awards. But there still aren't enough people watching it. I had a tape of... I recorded Gerhuzd Y Orchard and I wasted a run-out watching it every day. That may be the case, but still not enough people are watching. Yes, 500,000 people are watching it. But not every programme in garlic media is like that. You need more funding. You need more funding so that you have more successful programmes. And remember, lots of these programmes. Remember a lot of these programmes on BBC All Up have been bought in from elsewhere. English programmes do that as well. If you think about friends, how I met your mother, all these programmes are bought in. What's this... Doesn't that happen everywhere? But the gales buy in from the non-gales and learn from the non-gales. You want to be on the side of the non-gales. Do you think these watersheds are a good thing then? We didn't say we're on the side of the non-gales. We're just saying it's a good thing that we learn from them. Why is it good then to learn from people who use bad language after the watershed? The gales don't have to learn everything that the non-gales use. But maybe just the parts that make their programmes so successful. Who watches television at 5 o'clock instead of 10 o'clock? Most people watch about 9, 10 o'clock. And that has went bad language. It was on TV. The only bad language you get in Gaelig is when Dan Murray talks to Cwnywch Mor. Not every programme has bad language. That's not how it is at all. There are programmes which are fine. Wouldn't it be more effective for us to learn from people like TGK here in Ireland who are developing their own channel with their own minority language instead of learning from the lowlanders? We've been to Conymara to their studios there. A small budget like we have. Shouldn't we learn from people like that? Well, why not learn from the non-gales, the lowlanders as well? But they have billions of pounds. The BBC has a massive budget. Look at David Attenborough when he goes off to Africa. Australia the next day. Bebes Yalabu doesn't have budgets like that. Shouldn't we learn from people who have similar experience to ourselves? What's your time run out for the Nicholson there? And the opportunity now for Dengel Academy A. We found five programmes on Sylge on Bebes Yalabu. When we read about them, they were international. That they were international programmes translated into Gaelic. And Bebes Yalabu, they are trying to work with a budget that they have. If they had more, they could create more of their own programmes. And like I said, the non-gales do that as well. They buy programmes in other countries. If they had a bigger budget, they'd be better. But if they use things like social media, but social media is good for things like crowdfunding, gales have to help themselves. Now you've said that you don't receive enough funding and it's good that we don't have advertising, but advertising brings in money. So why not have more advertising and then bring in more funding? There you go. As I said, if you want to see Shelly Lexi in Spandex, but as I said, that gives you time to go make a cup of tea. You don't have to watch them. It gives you more money and then you're able to create better programmes. With the skills and technology of the non-gales, how could the gales survive? Are you saying that the gales aren't capable enough to run their own technology? We're saying that the non-gales technology is working and we use what they've given us. Now you've said that they've got more money, they've got better technology. Then why don't we learn how to make better programmes from them and then get more funding? Anybody who works in media knows how to do their own job. People in Bebe's Helipa know just as well how to work a camera as those who are down in London. I know if you want to get training from the BBC, you get the same training, you get your training centrally and then we'll go to Bebe's Helipa maybe. You were talking about doing between us, isn't he best in sky? But he has come from the non-gale world. Do you not think that it's better to learn from the non-gales and to copy them and create more programmes? Do you not think that everybody should help each other? We can look at how successful non-gale media has been and attract that into our own world. That isn't saying that that Gallup broadcasting is bad, but we're saying that it'll be better if we learn from others. We think, as we said, that it'll be better to maybe learn from somebody like TGK here in Ireland. They have a budget similar to us and they have a minority language like us. Look at the attraction in BBC Gallup and the programmes are shown and they attract people up to the Highlands and Islands. Out of the 500,000 who watch BBC Gallup each week, nine out of ten don't have Gallup. BBC Gallup is excellent at attracting non-gales into watching, but you're still buying programmes from the non-gales and you're learning these skills from the non-gales and that improves the channel. Does that not improve the channel? Do you agree? No. Thank you very much. It is now time for our closing arguments. A speaker from each team will have between one and two minutes to do so. First of all, for the argument, Maddie MacLennan from the Nicholson Institute, see you. As we discussed there, you said that it was the technology of the non-gales that leaves BBC Gallup being so successful. Are you trying to say that there are no gales that could do that? I don't really understand technology myself, but I don't represent everybody in the Highlands. You've also said that BBC Gallup doesn't have enough programmes, but the budget means that they have to work within those restrictions. With the budget that they've got, they're doing fantastically well and they attract a wide variety of people. 90% of the viewers don't have garlic, so 90% of 500,000 watch have no garlic. But these statistics are important and they prove our argument that with a budget so small they've done so well. You've also said that the gales are falling behind, but we have proven that the garlic media is excelling. We don't have to learn anything from the non-gales, but we now attract the non-gales into our culture and language. Bit by bit, the gales are doing what they struggle to do with the claymore and that is to have peace with the non-gales. Thank you, Maddie. Against the argument from Dingwell Academy, Megan Dale, think about BBC Gallup and the programmes that are coming from the non-gales like the Gruffle One Walls and Grumit. We've spoken about advertising. We're fortunate that we have advertising in the lowland telly, but these adverts bring in so much money. If you want more money, you have to accept advertising. While I'm talking about money, if they want more money, why not look at crowdfunding, as I explained? That will be gales funding the gales and nobody would then complain about garlic getting too much money. As Ella told you, it was non-gales that wrote machar, but when they left, the programme wasn't as successful. We've spoken about how gales have reached high levels in the BBC, but that is within a non-gale system. It's silly to say that there's nothing we can learn from the non-gales in media. Why else do we learn? We go to school to learn, and we don't say, oh, I've learnt enough, I don't need to learn any more. We always need to learn more, and it will help us. We only have 60,000 garlic speakers, so we need support. It's dangerous to put ourselves in this box with a label on it. We have an awful lot to learn from the non-gales. We're always learning, and we'll continue to learn, but that's not bad. Thank you. Thank you, Megan Dale. That is the debate over, and congratulations on you all. You now have the chance to take a breather. I'm going to ask the judges to leave the room to make their decisions. While Maggie, Joe and Angus leave, we will listen to some of the debates from last night that were held in the semi-finals that were held in the Scottish Storytelling Centre. Nicholson C were debating against Nicholson Institute A, and the subject politics needs more character, and not those who have gone through Eaton. In the second debate, James Gillespie High School were against Dingwall Academy A, and their argument was that it's a good thing that the internet gives us freedom to debate with each other, and here is how they got on, and I'm not going to translate this, but apologies for the delay in returning to us while we were listening to the semi-finals there, but now we're back at the final of the BT All-Up debate coming to you live from the Scottish Parliament. I'd like to welcome Liz Turner, who is here representing BBC BT Scotland, and I'm delighted to say that our judges are back. I'm now going to ask Angus MacDonald to take us through to the prizes. Thank you Alistair, and thank you to the Scottish Parliament as well for their welcome here tonight. We've enjoyed the evening here. We've listened to a great debate with a very strong, very strong debate, well researched, very well informed. They went international in the examples that they gave us. And in both teams, each speaker raised points from the other side, and they gave us some interesting examples. And you would also recognise that they believed in their arguments, or at least they convinced us that they believed in their arguments. I think that was very important as well. The closing statements were very strong, but when it came down to the ones and twos, it was in the questioning that we made, and one team was stronger. In asking the questions, they were asking very difficult questions, and they were sticking to them, and the other team were maybe not answering the questions that were asked. It wasn't an easy decision, but in the end we decided that Dingwall Academy have won this year. Liz Turner from BT Scotland is handing over the prize just now. I also have to say that we have been debating the speaker of the year, and throughout the whole competition from the first round, we decided that Megan Dale is the speaker of the year, and she gets the BBC's shield to the best speaker of the year. And now to hand over the BBC's shield to the best speaker. Please welcome Eona McCritchie. Thank you Alistair. You'll be delighted to hear that I've been on the phone to Ofcom, and we haven't broken any watershed rules by discussing Jesse Lexie and Spandex, so you're okay, you're off the hook with that. I'm delighted to be here tonight to award this prize to Megan. I've enjoyed the evening and I enjoyed the debate as well. I have quite a strong connection with this building. I've been working here for the past year as a political correspondent, and I'd like to say that every debate I listened to was as lively and as interesting as tonight's debate. Well, I'll say it was anyway. I've also got quite a strong tie with this debate. Now, as Alistair said, we won this in... He said 1992, it was actually 1999. I won the prize, not with my own school, but when somebody from the Nicholson got sick on the day of the final, I had to stand in, and we won as part of the Nicholson Institute team. It's such a long time ago. We heard a lot about the internet, but we didn't even have the internet back then, so we had to go to the library and go through the microfilms to look at the newspaper. I don't know if it's easier today, but the research is a little bit easier, definitely. But I remember how nervous I was that day, standing and talking. So congratulations to both teams. And I think Alistair should just watch out, or somebody here might be stealing our jobs in a few years. It was a very good subject, and on behalf of the BBC, congratulations to Megan. Congratulations on your victory. Congratulations, Megan, and congratulations, Dingwall Academy. Thank you very much to all the teams that took part in this year's competition. Thank you to our judges who were present tonight, to BT Scotland, those who are here present in the Scottish Parliament, and also those of you who are listening to us on Radio Nangale. From myself and everybody here, good night.