 And he he treated his own meme. He said one game. No sleeves. Oh, that's weird I got a test of all of a sudden any day you got tested one test a year Yeah, there is like if you just if you fail that it's more like an IQ test They say I think everyone else who was in a position to know was just turning a blind eye because it was super beneficial for the sport Yeah, so and so it works out eight times a day for seven hours and it's just just build muscle every hour Yeah, yeah That's a boys topic thunder soon to be maybe thick and creamy episodes on the way to we're thinking about a food show I'm gonna bring that special drink that I'm not gonna talk. I know we got to line them up and get a rock in a roll Wait, what kind of special? Yeah, it looks It looks us. No, it looks disgusting We're back again new topics be sure to give a subscription thumbs up share this with your friends Dean Sidorff's cap and a kilo's the one and only Jim McD 3sp.co and Kevlar Kai the sickest FPS player this side of the Mississippi If you don't know FPS Google, yeah, you use his aim bot. Oh, he does. He's a cheater. He's a cheater I do treat topic. We were actually just talking about over here pre recording. That's popped in my mind is In our niche of fitness powerlifting bodybuilding CrossFit's actually a hot topic right now. They were talking about steroid use in the games and how that just kind of gets shuffled under the rug by the organization which I've said for years But in our sports in our niche of YouTube, etc. Steroids, I feel like have gotten More accepted people just kind of whether they turn an eye whether we want to talk about legitimacy in a sport Morals of it or just general view on the thing But you talk about real sports and you talk about baseball football basketball, whatever and sorry powerlifters Not a real sport. It's a hobby. Yeah, you guys kind of matter organized hobby And then it's still noted as like the devil, right? If you use steroids and you're in the NFL, you're a fucking cheater. You're a fucking this and that What about the average gym goer? How many I bet you the large percentage of steroids use as used by the average gym, bro That's trying to get chicks or just trying to look better read it in a magazine. Why is there such a separated? View or moral on steroids from topic to topic like that makes no sense to me, right? Like if someone does cocaine whether it's it's Tom Cruise Michael Jordan or one of us. It's all kind of be like, that's not so cool. Oh, yeah, my buddy. He does coke Yeah, yeah, like it's all kind of like okay. Yeah, I was thinking I think it looks a little bit negative regardless of who it is Oh, I don't I mean it depends. I don't know I depends where you are maybe that's just me then too But drug drugs for me regularly like recreational drugs or hard drugs for me It looks the same no matter how does it right Michael Jordan's on heroin Tom Cruise is on heroin Dean does heroin You're like, no, that's pretty lame at least what I think yeah, but steroids depending on who does it? the view is so different is it because of the potential like Advantage physical advantage in sport you want it to be like and you want to see an even playing field when it's just someone doing it Recreationally it just doesn't matter as much. Maybe I think there's such an emotional attachment on the sports side of it Like it's I don't know why I mean I could see why yeah I could see why like mark wire and like, you know all that stuff and then whoever came out the book I forget always about go book. I'm at the game of shadows that was it. Yeah. Yeah that Exactly, I want to file a dispute on this whole thing right here because I don't think that people care about steroids and football I don't think that people care at all. I think it's probably less Brought up. I think they care. I think it's it's people don't know I think we all know things and football has to be the most used steroids probably there is right But I bet you but I don't think Jen pop knows that yeah But you can get you can pop for weed and NFL like they're pretty strict on everything But there's only like one test a year. Isn't there? Yeah, I don't know I don't know you get tested regularly like randomly picked really like yeah If they look at you and they're like a like that was the joke this week Miles Garrett Defensive end for the Cleveland Browns. He played his first game with no sleeves and he's fucking He treated his own meme he said one game no sleeves. Oh, that's weird I got a test tomorrow all of a sudden any day you know test it No, because it does work like that Justin baseball had a buddy like he was a pitcher and he just gained a lot of size over the off season He just got huge he learned how to lift and like something that and they came in literally first day they go Justin He's like yeah, it's like come back here. We literally have a test like on the spot. It's not like like oh sweet Yeah, man, like I got glad to see you. Okay. Maybe this could help us out You know like no, it's like no no no you you're about the pop. We know you are I thought with See this is more, you know, I don't really know the truth here But I thought always football was like there was just like saying that goes around that, you know They got one test a year. Yeah, there is like if you just if you fail that it's more like an IQ test They say right you know that what day the test is before the season starts like everybody's kind of gets cleaned around then Then it's kind of fair game. I do I don't know that the intricacies of testing in any pro sport And I don't know if any of us do is to Kyle obviously has a good experience baseball wise But until you're in the locker room, right? Like who knows what's going on with the Cleveland Browns and who's do the testing Who's not doing the testing, right? Yeah, but I do think football has I don't know if the right terms and advantage But lifting has always been tied to football forever, right? And same thing with power clean Steroids are tied to lifting and so I know firsthand a lot of buddies I played high school football And they were very decent and so they hopped on steroids to get just above decent And so that culture is a part of it I think and maybe that spread but I think Jim I think we're just too in the niche that we all kind of know or assume that something's going on the football because your Body can't look that way and take that kind of beating and feel good But I don't know if Gen pop does I don't know because that's that's what we were with baseball though Yeah, you know back in the back in the home run sort of derby era there where where everyone was chasing records In McGuire sosa and then Barry Bonds. I think that people were I think Jen Pop was naive and I think that Yeah, I think everyone else who was in a position to know was just turning a blind eye because it was super beneficial for the sport Well, I think most popular sports probably ever been Yeah, I think you say similar thing for CrossFit if you've been in fitness and powerlifting in bodybuilding Just feel a little dirtier than CrossFit and a lot of people that almost expected a lot of people found lifting through CrossFit So it's their first introduction to the barbell where if you're in this nitty gritty of lifting We've always kind of said like yeah, man like what they put their body through and how they look for the amount of a aerobic Exercise they're doing you can't keep that amount of muscle It's just not possible for a lot of these athletes that I've seen like it's literally physiologically not possible So we knew but people in the CrossFit community probably didn't oh, no, no, they were watching like oh, they're on TNT today Yeah, so and so see yeah, so and so it works out for eight times a day for seven hours in this Just just every hour. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah eats eats only fucking pistachios and kale chicken Like that it's so but for us and I think and it feels kind of like that but different where we just have niches But I still don't understand Why things are accepted sometimes, but they're not accepted others It's a good cuz it's not cheating cuz it's against the rules and everything you do, but you know besides Some powerlifting Feds I think don't even mention it But even IFBB which is the high-level bodybuilders which are clearly taking some kind of performance enhancing drugs on their website It says they drug test. Yeah, well, what are they testing for and I think it says well Yeah, I don't know what their actual protocol is but their website says they test for performance enhancing drugs Yeah, well after all those steroid scandals and baseball and all of those guys who who were popular in the steroid era All of the hullabaloo around that the fucking congressional investigations and all this shit a couple of years ago The main sponsor of the playoffs and the World Series was a TRT company. Yeah, I love it, you know And I think that TRT hasn't it has had an impact a lot of people who didn't know about steroids before Yeah, I'm kind of like oh, well if your doctor says sure and it's probably okay Yeah, but how many men are there in the end the stadium that see that they go shit I might need to take that you know like is that a legitimate sponsorship or is that like oh, they're a sponsor of them They'll be so fuck them like there's guys taking TRT. Is that what you're saying? No, I think Jim's saying that that that Warmed up the pool for everybody to hop in yeah kind of oh, oh cuz when did they start sponsoring them? I Think it was about three years ago that it was a big push all the time. It's not going on right now World Series starts in a couple days or tomorrow as a matter of fact So we'll see who advertises on it then but somebody had a major sponsorship deal like two or three years ago And it was fucking every single yeah game like six times a game you I think people are commercial Yeah, I think people are learning. I mean TRT is somewhat. I mean it's not new but it kind of is new No, it's way more common now. Yeah talked about. Yeah, it's also weird to that. It used to be It used to be advertised to women Not testosterone obviously, but like a hormone there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah men a pause whatever whatever and then they found out that that was Not the best thing like yeah from a health perspective Not the best thing for for women and now it's become the best thing for men Yeah, it's just like a funny thing when someone pops now I feel like we're like Lance Armstrong popped or or Barry Bonds a movie about it They're a fucking demons people thought you know like there's like protests saying how shitty humans they are And I will obviously fall somewhere between this like I'm all super against cheating and and I'm actually just not a huge fan of steroids in general But I don't think you're a shit person just because you decided to take steroids and fucking write write a bike race like There's other people murdering people and do you know like morally there's other worse things in my opinion Yeah, the steroids. It's also just like it's just the playing field is pretty much a high percentage are using yeah So it's like is it really cheating? No, not really because everybody else is doing it's almost like But then there's the guys that don't want to do it them They have maybe like the morals that don't want to do it Yeah, and they kind of you know fall to waste it, but then again like that's kind of on them Well, I look at it when then you throw politics and business on that whole thing And that's the big argument against arguably the UFC and definitely CrossFit where they're they do internal testing It's maybe they hire like an independent lab to actually look over the substance But they don't have a third you saw that it's not a third party coming in doing that And then if you've seen Icarus, which we did a podcast on you know that you saw that is Arguably you could be corrupt too for all we know right because there's so much politics involved I think you have see uses water. I think they use water but that's pretty that's pretty new I don't know what last like five years, right? I think they use water protocols which CrossFit says as well I don't think they do water the same thing is using a lot of labs Yeah, no, I don't and reporting the results internationally I don't think the world Anti-doping agency has anything to do with the UFC Well the body type in like as we're talking about UFC like the body type that you see in the UFC now is Nothing like it was in like 2004 2007 a little Vita or Belfort. Oh, dude. What's that all-star? Alstair Albert love him to do the like the Chuck Liddell. What was the guy you'd always fight all the time? That was just juice out of his mind. Yeah To door tease. Yeah, I mean come on that guy's a walking. We're like Chelsea on it now He was pretty jacked, but I don't know if he was on anything. It's also argue because yeah by way class, right? Like jail fought at like 175. I think you just took care of himself to be honest possible But then you get the stuff where like now these people are and these athletes are all taking TRT that's prescribed And then it's okay all of a sudden because of like this like script that they have now, right? Yeah, or it's like anybody that's over a certain age that qualifies is probably taking it That's precious because they're allowed to yeah, it's like so what like what are we doing here? Right? Well, and then I understand the political and business side, right? Like are you gonna knock your best guy who's selling the most tickets selling the most jerseys? And you say hey man You can't you can't fight or you can't throw or you can't use a barbell for for five years because you broke the rules But there goes my business. Yeah, the argument I hate the most is like they should let all the players in the NFL They'll be used whatever steroids they can have fill them with whatever I want to see how far that ball can go and they're like They're half serious have joking but like they're like, yeah I like they believe the down like yeah, okay, let them all take as many steroids boss I'm like if we go deep into that I agree if we could make it federally legal so we could study it to a precise tea Certain things or you have a doctor. Yeah, you have a doctor doing it all But we even have the lab studying what what doses are healthy for your liver and what conditions you may have genetically That won't lead to something bad if you take this stuff like sure, but yeah I like you a fucking moment rip his head off in the U. S. C. Yeah, that's what turns into like yeah Someone's life can be in danger because someone is like see he's probably a bigger problem across Contact sports then steroids will ever be by themselves. That's yeah, that's a whole other thing He was like why is CTE not talked about in UFC where your whole entire goal is to give someone a concussion? Yeah, but in football. It's like this like big. Yeah underlying problem But he's just not even talked about in boxing. Yeah, what is being knocked out? Brain is rattling That's brain damage. That's how you that's how you get CTE Yeah, but they're like this whole sport is like dedicated to doing them through each other. Don't do steroids kids