 Love in the Age of Trump. Can you actually be in love and love somebody with this monster in the White House? We talked to comedians Angela Cobb and Lance Weiss about love in the Age of Trump. David Dianne joins us from the Nation magazine in the Intercept to talk about Dodd Frank and how Donald Trump's new executive orders are jeopardizing your financial security and making it safe once again for vulture capitalists. We've got a lot of show. Let's get right to it. From the broadcast, I'm David Feldman, DavidFeldmanShow.com. I've lived through a couple of bubbles. We're in a bubble right now. Stock market's hitting 20,000 record highs. There was a time in the 90s when a green span warned of irrational exuberance. That's what we had during the Obama administration. Irrational exuberance. What's going on now with Trump is our bubble has been burst. When we're in a bubble, whether it be a stock market bubble, a political bubble, an historical bubble, a psychological bubble, an information bubble. When you're in a bubble, you only hear and see what you want to see. When the bubble bursts, there's a Newtonian reaction to the irrational exuberance. In other words, for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. So when the bubble bursts, that irrational exuberance turns into irrational fear, irrational doomsday predictions, irrational depression, anxiety, our bubble has been burst. For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. We had, who I consider to be one of our greatest presidents, Barack Obama, he did the best he could. There was a bubble. We went from the oxygen being sucked out of our economy in 2008, the greatest recession since the Great Depression, Obama became president. Within nine months, the recession was over. The GDP started to grow very slowly, but jobs came back. But not really. But there was a bubble. We thought things were getting better. In many ways they were, in many ways they weren't. We lived in a bubble. We wanted to believe that things were getting better. But as is the case in everything in the sweep of history, things get better, while things get worse. But we believe that things were getting better. A lot of young people with white privilege, young millennials, created this bubble for themselves. Their parents created this bubble. Obama will take care of you. You're safe. Nobody should challenge you. Here's a trophy. Nobody should trigger you. You don't have to learn anything in college that upsets you. Nobody should scold you. We created a generation under Obama of safe zones of people who want it to be protected. We created a lot of weak people, a lot of pussies, and bubbles burst. Stock market bubbles burst, echo chamber bubbles burst, information bubbles burst. Trump pricked that bubble. Trump pricked our bubble. And now a lot of us are terrified. A lot of us fear that we're gonna lose everything because of Donald Trump. I think you have to fight Donald Trump every step of the way. But don't flatter yourself, America. Don't think for one second that Donald Trump took this once great nation and is ringing all the goodness out of it. Don't flatter yourself. There's been some bad stuff going on before Obama, during Obama. The only difference is Trump doesn't do nuance or subtlety. I've been wrong about Trump every step of the way. I assured everybody he wasn't gonna get the nomination. I assured everybody he wasn't gonna be elected president. But one of the things I did say when he got the nomination is the Republican Party deserves Donald Trump. The chicken hawks have come home to roost. This is who the Republican Party is. They are Donald Trump, a party of hucksters who will say and do anything for their own financial gain. They're willing to believe anything so long as they get rich. And Trump got the nomination. Everybody said oh it's the end of the Republican Party. Remember? Remember how everybody was saying in the lead-up to Hillary's coronation? Remember how everybody was saying well Donald Trump has ruined the Republican Party. They will never recover. They're splintered. Now what are we talking about? We're talking about how successful the Republican Party is and how it's the Democrats who are in trouble. The Democrats are splintering. So maybe Trump will do to America what he did to the Republican Party. And by that I mean right now we're saying he's dividing the country. He's destroying our country the same way he was destroying and dividing the Republican Party. And I'm saying you know what? It's not just the Republican Party that deserves Donald Trump. I'm beginning to believe America deserves Donald Trump. We brought this on by living in our own little bubble. The Republican Party is stronger and more powerful than ever. Probably because of Donald Trump. So maybe, just maybe on today's show, I'm gonna be optimistic and say maybe Donald Trump is the best thing that could ever happen to America. Yes, he's dung. He's our common enemy. But maybe he's doing us a favor. Or maybe we have to get into a mindset where instead of being frightened, we enjoy him a little bit and thank him and have a little elegance and finesse in battling him and confidence and some perspective. And we start to think we caused this. Our greed, our willingness to let Obama tuck us in at night and feel safe and secure and believe his lies and believe the lies about who we are as a people. Maybe we caused this. Maybe Trump is telling us who we are as a people. He's telling us the other side of the coin and it isn't pretty. And we're being forced to look in the mirror and see how ugly this country has been and can be. And you can change it. I don't believe in utopias. I believe in the truth. I believe in tallying up the good and the bad pluses and the minuses and dealing in the truths. And Trump, as much as he lies, you know, occasionally he says some truths. Here's what you have to do. I'm getting tired of people calling me. I'm depressed. The country is we're going to turn into Nazi Germany. We're not turning into Nazi Germany. We're already where we are. This is who we are. We're human beings. No matter what kind of government they set up, we're always going to be human beings. So what if you approach this crisis and it is a crisis and we have to get rid of Trump? What if you approach this from the standpoint of self interest? Talking about yourself, you, what's in it for you? How do you approach politics? You approach politics, you approach government through self interest. You get up every morning and you do Maslow's hierarchy of needs. How am I doing? I need money. I need security. I need safety. I need jobs. I need equality. I need dignity. I need clean air. I need potable water. That's how you approach it because if you need it, so do other people. You should not be letting the news coming out of Washington affect your sleeping, your eating, your anxiety, how much you exercise because these are the things you can control. When you get a good night's sleep, when you're eating properly, when you're exercising, you're taking care of yourself. And when you're taking care of yourself, then you're prepared to take care of others. And the way you take care of others, pursuing your self interest the same way Rex Tillerson, who's now secretary of state, pursued his own self interests by hiring lobbyists who would funnel campaign funds to senators and congressmen if they would agree to pipelines and fracking for Exxon, pursue your own self interests, but pursue them wisely. What can you control? You're not God. You can control how you treat yourself, how you treat others, and you speak out wisely. You're prudent. Take a page from Bono. Bono sings, he writes great music. He met with Jesse Helms. Senator Jesse Helms was a horrible bigot, a segregationist from the south. But when Jesse Helms was interested in funding the fight against AIDS in Africa, Bono met with him. Bono met with George W. Bush. And it turns out that George W. Bush, as bad as he was, did more to combat AIDS in Africa than any president since the epidemic first reared its head in the 80s. Bono, who's a saint, Bono, greatest human being on the planet, he'll meet with the devil, do what Bono does, keep your mouth shut. You don't have to wear your politics on your sleeve all the time. You don't have to show up at parties or at work saying, oh, Trump, I can't believe Trump. What are we going to do? Because most of that is grandstanding. It's saying, hey, look at me, everybody. I, more than anybody else. Look how much I care. I can't get past our president. I'm so sensitive. I bleed for the planet. Screw you. Just shut up. Nobody wants to hear it. Call your congressman. Call your senator. Do your job. Don't discuss politics at work. Right now, discussing politics at work or at a party. It's like discussing irritable bowel syndrome that you can't shake. Nobody wants to hear it right now. What are you doing? What are you doing? If you're doing something, if you're going to a protest, if you're calling your congressman, then I'm interested. I'm not interested in your anxiety. You sound like a pampered millennial who's bubble got burst, who graduated from the University of New Hampshire. Some whiny little bitch from an Ivy League school where there were safe zones and you didn't have to learn what triggered something. And all of a sudden, you're working for a living and the boss talked to you in a way that triggered the way your mother used to talk to you or the way your father used to talk to you. And that brought up bad feelings. Grow a set of balls, America. Nobody's asked you to do anything. After 9-11, you were asked to shop. You weren't asked to pay taxes. You weren't asked to fight. You weren't asked to do anything other than shop and appreciate peak TV. So grow a set of balls and stop whining about Donald Trump. Conserve your energy, calm down. We've been here before and we will always be here. We will always be here. The fight is always there. The fight has always been there for black people, for gay people, for farm workers, for women. The fight has always been there. The fear has always been there. Some of us are feeling it for the first time. The way some of us felt it for the first time in October of 2008 when the economy crashed. But we conveniently forgot that feeling, didn't we? And thought there was nothing but blue skies. Black people, gay people, transgender people, Latinos, Muslims in America, women. They didn't forget it. They didn't forget it. So calm down. We've been here before and maybe we should stay here. Maybe this time we should stay here. Alert, anxious, calm and politically involved. Stop telling me about what's on Netflix. It's garbage. What's on Hulu is garbage. But when the comedy explosion broke in the 80s, Jerry Seinfeld was being interviewed and he said, in America there have always been five great comedians. We have a lot more comedians now that there's a comedy explosion but there are still only five great comedians. We're having this peak TV, golden age of television right now. I think there's like something like 400 hours, 600 hours of scripted television in 2016. How much of that is really fantastic and how much of that are you being marketed to? Being convinced that it's fantastic. You know I've got the Writers Guild awards coming up and I went to the Emmys. The dirty dark secret is that the people in the industry don't watch TV. They don't have time. Who's watching all this stuff and why? Why are you watching all this stuff? Because if you're paying attention to the new Fuller House, you're not paying attention to the Republican House. It was a time when people would say it's my guilty pleasure to watch Fuller House or to watch the Gilmore Girls. There are people getting really pissed off of me for complaining about the Gilmore Girls. My mother watches the new Gilmore Girls, right? My mother watches the new Gilmore Girls and says it's fantastic and we need it. I'm sure we do. I'm sure we do but there are only so many hours in the day. There's no such thing as Utopia. You will survive Trump as bad as it's going to get. Most of you will survive Trump. Most of you survived Iraq. The Iraqis didn't but most of us survived Iraq. We rounded up the Japanese in World War II, except for the soldiers. Most Americans survived World War II. We're nations inside of nations, bubbles inside of bubbles. There's a limit to how totalitarian a regime can be set up here in the States. And as much as I believe in a strong federal government, there is value to States' rights. There is value to not really having a national police force, to having individual police chiefs. There is value to each state having its own national guard. There is value to every state being a laboratory of democracy because it is a check and a balance on somebody like Donald Trump. Yes, I believe in States' rights. So calm down. This is not Nazi Germany. We're not suddenly going to be under the iron grip of Ceausescu. This is a new thing and we will determine what it's going to be. We will determine what it's going to be and it's happening quickly because it always happens quickly. The first 100 days of any presidency is where you get all your work done. That's when you introduce all the big pieces of legislation. That's where you set your compass points, your coordinates. That's where you start staring the ship because after 100 days all your ideas have to be funded, the hearings begin, press, the media starts examining you. So yes, there is a Blitzkrieg, a lot of chaos. They're moving quickly because that's how it's done. You move quickly and try to push as much as you can and ask for the moon because the system is set up to thwart your every move. There has never been a president who was able to push through everything he wanted, certainly not FDR. If you go back, there's this myth that FDR was able to push through all these changes. He moved quickly and he did get things done. It was in fits and starts. The first 100 days was where he really shined, shutting down the banks. Johnson was able to really move quickly. The reason Johnson and FDR were able to move so quickly is they had the will of the people behind them. People wanted the new deal under Roosevelt. People wanted a great society under Johnson, the Civil Rights Act. There was marching in the streets. People were marching in Selma. As Roosevelt said to the far left, make me do it and the far left made him do it. The far left made Johnson do it. And Bannon understands this. According to the New York Times, Steve Bannon is telling his friends that there's a brief window to push as much of their white nationalist anti-Muslim extremist views into the White House before his head's on a stick. He knows his head's on a stick eventually. Robert Reich, the former secretary of labor, you should read him and by the way he was on the Ralph Nader radio hour last week which I recommend that everybody listen to. It's a show that I do with Steve Skrovan and Ralph Nader. Robert Reich gives some great advice. He says he wrote over the weekend, don't get caught up in the minutiae. This is how you stay focused and remove all the clutter from your mind because people like Steve Bannon are merchants of chaos. They want your head spinning. They don't want you focused. Robert Reich says, don't pay attention to Neil Gorsuch, the new Supreme Court Justice. Focus on Trump. Make sure that you're not normalizing the Trump presidency. He says the Democrat should not be voting on Gorsuch's nomination until Trump's legitimacy as a president is established. He says that Pelosi and Schumer should be forcing intelligence committees to look into whether or not Russian operatives were responsible for Trump's electoral victory. Reich says, de-legitimate Trump. Demand that he releases taxes, that he put his assets into a blind trust. Robert Reich writes, quote, Trump is the issue here as well as the integrity of our democracy. Focus. Yes, you have to pay attention to all the nominees and try to block them. Reich isn't saying ignore everything else that Trump is doing, but you have to focus. You have to be specific. Focus on Trump. Remind him that he's not a legitimate president, that he lost the popular vote by three million, that it was 70,000 votes in three swing states that gave him the presidency, that the Russians hacked the DNC and leaked secrets to embarrass Hillary Clinton. They also hacked the RNC, but didn't release any secrets to embarrass Donald Trump. Focus on that, says Robert Reich. Make sure the White House is told that they are not legitimate. It's a boxing match. There are, the human skeleton has about about 206 bones. We start off with about 270 bones and then they fuse together, but when you get into a boxing ring you're fighting somebody with 206 bones. You cannot break every bone. You want to. What do you do? If you start focusing on all 206 bones you're not going to know where to throw a punch, but in boxing you're trained to work the body and work the head. Certain parts of the body, certain parts of the head, that's what you do. You focus on two areas. You focus on the head and the body. Focus on what's right in front of your nose. Is the TV in front of your nose? That's not going to help. This is how you're going to fight. You're going to fight quietly. You're not going to scream at people. You're not going to bring your psychological issues into the political theater. You're not going to go online and troll Republicans because you're not winning their minds when you fight online. Are you sharing information? Are you thinking? Are you having a personal connection with people? Are you having a conversation? Do you know how to have a conversation? Do you know how to exchange ideas? Do you know how to talk to somebody who may not agree with you 100%? Do you know how to share knowledge or do you have to alpha-dog every conversation so the conversation becomes nothing more than a public display of how smart you are? Most Americans don't know how to have a conversation. Most Americans steer a conversation into what they know or into what they believe. Most Americans that I talk with have learned to change the subject so that the gaps in their knowledge are never revealed because we've become a nation of con artists which is why Donald Trump is our president. If you don't know something or if the conversation turns uncomfortable change the subject. It's what's going on in our colleges. If teaching you something makes you feel uncomfortable we won't teach it to you. It's okay not to know something. It's okay to be a little ashamed of not knowing something. It's not okay to be proud of your ignorance the way so many Trump supporters are proud of their ignorance their lack of education. It's not okay to not want to teach. I know a lot of liberals a lot of feminists who have said to me if you don't know I'm not going to teach you it's for you to find out. I'm too angry to explain to you why that behavior is unacceptable. It's not okay to be ignorant and it's not okay not to be willing to teach the ignorant. Knowledge is infinite. The internet never ends you will never reach the end of the internet you'll never reach the end of the universe you'll never wake up one day and say I know everything. You don't even know what you know. You don't know what you don't know and more importantly when you're having a conversation with people you don't know what you know. So when you listen to other people they could teach you or remind you of what you forgot you knew. Have quiet conversations with people you trust. Who is a person you trust? A person you trust is somebody who's trying to arrive at a decision calmly. If you want to win if you want to defeat Trump you need to work methodically. You need silence you need to figure out what's best for you. Take care of yourself first focus on what you need from the government what you need from politics and what you need is more than anything else universal health insurance. That's where everybody should start universal health insurance. The merchants of chaos they want you fighting shouting screaming. They don't want you in a contemplative mode. Most of my friends they're upset. Most people are skimming the news they're not reading the news but it's on. It's on in the background CNN is blasting MSNBC is blasting. I can't miss a thing I need my alerts I need my alerts I need to breaking news breaking this just in. I remember when my grandfather passed away he'd been in the hospital and they called my grandmother and he died at three in the morning and my grandmother was in her apartment when he passed away and my grandmother who was an immigrant survived God knows what in Eastern Europe said to the nurse who called her to tell her that her husband had passed away she said why are you calling me at three in the morning now I can't get back to sleep and I never forgot that I never forgot that my grandmother was in her 80s at the time why are you calling me at three in the morning now I'm not going to get back to sleep the love of her life had just passed away there was nothing she could do it wasn't as though at three in the morning she was going to go down to the hospital the point she was making was it could have waited till morning I'm not a doctor I'm not God I couldn't save him I guess some people would find that bizarre I've never forgotten it because what do you know and when do you need to know certain things how much do you need to know and when do you need to know it with my grandfather had been any less dead if the nurse waited five more hours and let my grandmother sleep do you really need to have cnn blasting with the breaking news with the urgency non-stop you know before cnn I remember the term I'm a news junkie that was when I was growing up I used to hear that I'm a news junkie junkies were heroin addicts ah it's my fix I need the news I need the news well what does a news junkie mean news junkie means you need your fix it means you need the shot the adrenaline the jolt if you're a news junkie you're addicted to the news addicted to the jolt the adrenaline it feels good and if you don't get it you crash you don't care you don't really care about what's going on you like the rush and the action it's like gambling that's why you have cnn and msnbc blasting you really don't care what's going on it's your caffeine it makes your blood boil you need it you're a junkie so turn off your tv there's no such thing as breaking news breaking news is 9-11 what do you need to know and when do you need to know it if you need to know everything right now then you know nothing if all it is is breaking news then you have no perspective you have no understanding get off the electronic devices paper books magazines paper listen to the radio listen to podcasts there's a thing called the slow news movement now the columbia school of journalism has a the monthly magazine that's great and there I was reading about the slow news movement and it's basically like the slow food movement mindfulness go slowly and pay attention you don't need to go to every website isolate and get rid of the clutter Marie Kondo she's the Japanese clutter clearing guru you know where she had her come to jesus moment I was reading about her she said she she realized the power of removing clutter when she was organizing bookshelves when she was organizing books in her high school and she fainted she was so overwhelmed by all the books in the school library that needed organization that she fainted and then dedicated her life to removing clutter from her home how do you face all this clutter well you have to trust real news you have to trust a couple of responsible news organizations and get rid of the clutter I'm overwhelmed by it I remember Ralph Nader telling me he can't start his day unless he reads the wall street journal the new york times and the washington post cover to cover I can't do that that's overwhelming to me then there's the internet then there's the daily co's and bbc and the nation talking points memo there's so much to get to how do you do it the dumbest thing to do is to turn on the tv and think that that's the most efficient way to get news if you turn on the tv if you turn on cnn or msnbc except for Rachel Maddow all you're gonna get is the same story over and over again the hour that you invest in anesthetizing yourself in front of wolf blitzer you can actually spend reading the new york times cover to cover you're just going to get anxious frightened belligerent listening to the news to the same story being repeated over and over again how do you read the newspaper how would you even approach how would you even begin to read the washington post the new york times in the wall street journal every day which by the way if you did that that would you would know more than you need to know how do you do that on my good days the way i would do that and i've never done that i've never read the new york times the washington post in the wall street journal cover to cover but the way i on my good days when i'm focused i approach these newspapers by saying to myself all right i'm going to read the first paragraph of every story in this newspaper that's all i have to do because of the inverted pyramid in journalism the inverted pyramid is you put the most important information upfront who what where when why how is revealed in the first paragraph of every story and as you read the story the less important information is revealed to you that's the way journalists write good journalists write the first paragraph has the most important information by the time you get to the end of the story their anecdotes color at least that's the way stories used to be written now i've noticed they start off with color they'll start off with an anecdote the story of one person i can't stand that that's why i like the economist economist very short articles they get to the point no color what i hate is there's a travel ban from seven muslim nations and the story starts with abdul salim lives in a small village in syria what's with the travel ban i don't need to know about abdul salim so that's how you plow through a newspaper most of these stories don't begin with color they begin with facts if you start off reading the first paragraph of every story in a newspaper you have a better chance of plowing through the entire paper than trying to tackle each story from beginning to middle to end if you read the first paragraph of every story in the paper and something catches your interest along the way by all means read it but if you want to read the new york times the entire new york times in an hour just read the first paragraph of every story i don't do this i try to i view the magazines and the newspapers that come to me either through my ken bill or my mailbox as reading assignments the millennials i meet don't i don't know if this is good or bad i there's a part of me that admires them they they are not overwhelmed they don't feel that the new york times is an assignment because i think they have this sense of entitlement i'm sorry this is probably jealousy of youth but i think a lot of millennials view the new york times in the washington post and the wall street journal as i'll just take what i want from it i don't need anybody telling me what i need to know i'll decide what's worth knowing i'll skim this paper if something strikes my fancy i'll read it i kind of like that i think that's a virtue to approach the internet and the newspaper that way as opposed to my generation and my parents generation where you walk into their homes and it's like the collier brothers the collier brothers were these this family when they died they found their apartment was just stacked with newspapers and magazines that they that they were meaning to get to you all have grandparents you all have parents you all have friends who have national geographics from 1993 that they're going to get to you're not going to get to it throw it out so i do admire that in millennials that they they don't get intimidated by the magazines and the books i'll take from it what i want and if i'm not interested it's not important that's what drives me crazy about millennials but it is a healthy way to do what i call intellectual triage the magazine arrives you have to decide what am i going to read what am i not going to read there is a virtue to that kind of confidence to to perform that kind of intellectual triage where you look at a story and say i'm not interested in this i'm not reading it i don't need to know it what the times is doing lately is they literally have columns called what you need to know and if the time says this is what you need to know you need to know it their brief synopses of what you need to know i recommend going to the times i recommend subscribing to their app their app the style of writing in the new york times has changed less stodgy and they're no longer treating news as though it's a soap opera and it's your responsibility to come up to speed they are going out of their way now to have links to bring you up to speed on issues you know nothing about there's an article in the new york review of books by bill mckibben by the way the new york review of books it comes out every two weeks it's a great magazine it does book reviews but it also publishes essays on the news that are insightful very reminiscent of the self-indulgent years of the new yorker before tina brown took it over i find the new yorker much more readable these days it's more fun some would say it's a little too well written a little too punchy but i remember it when i was a kid it was unreadable my parents used to subscribe to it and it would pile up nobody would read it so the new yorker has become readable the new york review of books i recommend it more thoughtful essays and bill mckibben has a review of a book called the revenge of analog real things and why they matter it's written by david sacks published by public affairs the book is about the vanquishing of digital that more and more humans are discovering mole skins instead of going face down into their iphone to write something down they're carrying little pads they are listening to vinyl dropping to their knees and putting vinyl on a record player because vinyl sounds better and there's a mindfulness to putting something on the record player and and stopping and listening to a song not being able to press a button to get rid of that song if you stumble into an area where you don't like the song i'm guilty of this if i plow through music now i listen to the first 15 seconds of every song if i don't like it i move on it's hard to discover art if the minute something is uncomfortable or boring you turn away from it i doubt there are many concept albums coming out these days because the minute it gets heavy you just hit forward right bill mckibben writes about the mole skin a little notebook selling point he says is that you can't use it to look up stock futures or to swipe right or play solitaire it concentrates not dissipates the mind what if Picasso had had snapchat what if hemmingway had spent half the afternoon writing yelp reviews of his favorite bars he goes on to say that ebook sales are beginning to slow and that magazines are coming back the economist has seen print subscriptions grow by 600,000 in the past 10 years even though it costs $150 a year to subscribe they've gained 600,000 subscriptions in a decade the new york times is gaining new print subscribers the deputy editor of the economists attributes a lot of these subscriptions to younger people seeking status as readers of the economist but it's also what they call a social signifier this is something i had said two weeks ago you used to walk into somebody's apartment and see their albums and their books and know who they were the deputy editor of the economist tells bill mckibben in the new york review of books quote you can't show others you're reading it with the digital edition you can't leave your ipad lying around to show how smart you are and then mckibben says that in the book by david sacks the revenge of analog sacks says the virtue of a magazine the virtue of a newspaper is it has quote finishability this is great finishability quote a defined beginning middle and an end it doesn't spool on forever the way the web does mckibben then quotes the guy from the economist he says we're selling the feeling of being smarter when you get to the end it's the catharsis of finishing see that's great the catharsis of finishing a beginning a middle and an end the internet never ends cnn never ends which means your day never ends which means your mind never slows down that's why you're anxious that's why you can't sleep that's why you can't take time to exercise or cook the right meal because what's the point of exercising why should i waste valuable time exercising or reading a novel when there's breaking news on the muslim ban when you go back to books and newspapers and paper finishability a defined beginning middle and end you know how i stopped drinking i taught myself that each day has a beginning and middle and an end i never wanted the party to stop so i would drink i wanted to turn my mind off so i would drink well i was able to turn my mind off and get the party to stop by saying you know what you need eight hours of sleep the day ends at 11 when does this day begin when does it end and i have been sober for for longer than most of you have been alive that's how you approach knowledge with books magazines newspapers that have finishability i love that expression this is from a review of the revenge of analog real things and why they matter by david sacks an article written by bill mckibben and sacks uses the term in his book finishability have you ever finished the internet you're never going to finish the internet that's why you're anxious that's why you can't sleep that's why you can't focus that's why you're being overwhelmed by merchants of chaos like steve bannon well there's some good news i do believe that a lot of us are focused we're we're anxious but we're you know focusing on what's important that is recognizing that donald trump is dangerous and we're calling our congressman and we're protesting protesting is a great way not to feel isolated not to feel alone to be with other people it's also a cheap date you know guys if you want to come across as caring and sensitive and strong take your date to a protest a lot of people got laid in the 60s love is getting out of your yourself when you go to a protest you realize there's something bigger than you the bulge in your pants um there is some good news coming down the pike vincent viola was supposed to be secretary of the army he's a billionaire friend of trump he had to withdraw his name last friday because the pressures mounted he had business ties that he he could not he could not get rid of certain businesses the way donald trump is supposed to and so vincent viola who donald trump wanted to be secretary of army gone on monday 97 companies mostly leading technology companies have filed a a friend of the court briefing coming out against the ban the executive order banning refugees from seven predominantly muslim countries 97 companies say that it would be bad for business in this brief they say that the travel ban would hurt business and it's unconstitutional microsoft apple and facebook who signed on to this it's legal brief saying that the ban is unconstitutional and bad for business not putting their name to the brief for oracle which is a database company they might be gunning for business from the trump administration if there's going to be a muslim registry maybe oracle feels they can get the business hewlett packard didn't sign on to the brief i believe they're run these days by meg wittman she ran for governor of california and lost to jerry brown racist son at princeton i'll talk about that some other time meg wittman horrible horrible kids and elon musk wouldn't sign on to that elon musk is part of donald trump's economic roundtable elon musk makes the tesla and space x and he's an immigrant and he's staying on the economic roundtable to advise donald trump cio uber stepped away because of pressure but elon musk is staying because he's saying why should trump only be surrounded by extremists that he's doing the country of favor by being a moderate and advising trump no you're not we'll just let the extremists feed on each other you cannot work with evil more good news the republicans had huge plans to privatize medicare we don't seem to be hearing about that now the drive to repeal affordable care act obama care is slowing down donald trump gave an interview with bill o'reilly during the super bowl and said that he doesn't see any repealing or replacement of obama care for at least a year that's slowing down matthew eglaceous in i believe was the intercept says that protesters have succeeded by convincing house republicans not to gut the congressional ethics office he says that the veterans administration due to protests was granted an exemption from donald trump's hiring freeze 500 000 green card holders were exempted from donald trump's executive order is a travel ban because of protests the executive order was altered because of protests to grant exceptions to iraqis who work with the military they're allowed into the country eglaceous says that the republican plan for a massive sell-off of public lands has been canceled because of protests the protests are getting bigger and bigger the ceo of disney robert iger who has been pretty silent on donald trump canceled a visit to the white house mysteriously people like trump and putin love motorcycle gangs they're like the fifth column they're their brown shirts putin rides with motorcycle gangs in russia because they're looking for a fight and trump loves his motorcycle gangs they were doing security during the inauguration echoes of ultimat he was going to thank his motorcycle gangs by visiting harley davidson in wisconsin but he had heard that the protests were going to be massive so he canceled his trip to uh wisconsin to visit his friends at harley davidson all the sudden obama care is popular because the left is interrupting town halls and getting the word out affordable care is doing better in the polls now than it was during the election suddenly people are realizing what exactly obama care is and they don't want to lose it a new poll by the washington post released last week says that 25 percent of all americans say they plan to be politically active this year so the protests are working people are speaking up the new york times is reporting that the white house not only ferments chaos outside of the executive office building there's a lot of chaos within the white house the new york times writes that inside the white house inside the oval office they know that the muslim ban is a disaster they are putting checks and balances on steve bannon there are reports that donald trump was enraged that steve bannon is being called president bannon he tweeted at four a.m. monday morning that pretty much said i'm in charge not steve bannon steve bannon made the cover of time magazine trump was upset about that trump does not like sharing the spotlight he does not play well with others the new york times also reports that trump is enraged because he signed an executive order last week putting steve bannon on the national security council head of the cia after the executive order was signed they then they put the cia on it but the joint chiefs of staff are not under the national security council but steve bannon is well it turns out trump didn't know what he was signing and after he signed it and the press revealed that steve bannon would be sitting on the national security council trump reportedly blew up at steve bannon steve bannon will be the head on the stick eventually he's going to have to offer up some red meat to everybody and it will be steve bannon who he's going to get rid of because it's easy to hate steve bannon and that's why steve bannon is moving so quickly because steve bannon is evil but he's smart and he knows his days are limited this is all good news these are not the activities of a fascist regime there are checks and balances at work i've been wrong about trump every step of the way and i could be wrong here but i do see cracks i do see him crumbling and i do see senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and the speaker that has paul ryan both republicans both showing deference to donald trump i think what they're doing is they're saying let him have his day give him his first 100 days let him sign these executive orders let him feel like he's in charge and then after 100 days let's see him implement all this stuff some of the stuff they will implement because mcconnell and paul ryan are evil sons of a bitches but i don't see a coup d'etat i don't see trump seizing the military and seizing the halls of congress steve bannon taking over the country it's just not going to happen that i don't see happening then again i've been wrong about everything and we have to be vigilant if we're not vigilant it could happen although i don't think trump wants it i don't even think steve bannon wants it i think they want to implement some policies and then get on with their lives kelly and conway apologized about the bowling green massacre reference it's good news because she apologized the alternative universe the alternative facts seemed to be coming to an end when kelly and conway goes on msnbc's chris matthew show refers to two iraqi refugees as the masterminds behind the bowling green massacre and it turns out that the bowling green massacre never happened and then the internet lights up and humiliates kelly and conway she did issue a correction that's important when the purveyors of alternative truth start fact-checking themselves it means they are willing to work with the media and reality the trump white house has also backed off on its plan to reopen black site prisons overseas these were in operation during the george w bush administration that's where the cia tortured terrorism suspects donald trump in this first couple of days in office said those black sites were coming back now the white house has circulated a memo from the national security council saying that there will be no secret cia prisons nordstrom dropped avonka nordstrom dropped all of avonka trump's branded wares from their shelves neiman marcus has stopped selling avonka trump's jewelry due to falling sales all trump really has is his name if you want to punish trump you got to ruin the name trump could have been destroyed during his bank rupsies but the bankers realized the trump name had some kind of value to it and that's what kept trump going was the trump name we have to make trump synonymous with feces you have to start using phrases like a seeming pile of trump i got trump face last night hey no trump sherlock that's a trumpy way to behave boy kelly and conway this morning walked into a real trump storm i wouldn't trump you honey i think the cat's sick it won't stop trumping in the tub i trumped the bed on that exam i thought i studied but i trumped the bed that will drive trump crazy he is reportedly totally isolated in the white house he's in his bubble he has no access to fans melania is gone baron is gone he's all alone reportedly in a bathrobe walking around the white house he went down to mara lago this past weekend he was met by 3000 protesters property owners near mara lago are hiring private security guards to keep marchers off their property one resident one one percenter told the press of the 3000 protesters this is horrible they should know and respect that this is a quiet residential neighborhood we are frightened oh oh so this is a quiet residential neighborhood 3000 protesters marched down flagler drive chanting hey hey ho ho donald trump has to go well where were trump supporters 30 trump supporters try to drown out the 3000 anti-trump protesters outside mara lago and they were drowned out a lot of republican congressmen are getting interrupted at their town hall meetings a lot of republicans are being told that they're shocked by the number of pro-obamacare protesters who show up to the town hall meetings and and scream at them if you want to hurt donald trump the best way according to chris ruddy he's the chief executive and newsmax media and he's a friend of the president he says it's all about poll numbers that's all donald trump cares about if the poll numbers go down says his best friend chris ruddy donald trump's mood will go down he should be pretty pretty depressed donald trump has the highest disapproval rating of any newly elected president according to a cnn poll released on friday 53 this is historic 53 percent of americans disapprove of donald trump which is why donald trump tweeted on monday that polls are fake news sunday was super bowl sunday and one of the great myths about super bowl sunday is that it's the number one day for women to get beaten by their husbands it's a myth statistically that's not true it's like the myth about december being the number one month for suicides most people don't commit suicide in december well i've been saving this story for super bowl sunday because it involves wife beating and it also involves andrew puzzler who you may remember is donald trump's pick to be secretary of labor we did a show on mr puzzler about oh two weeks ago now the job of the secretary of labor is to protect labor at one time it was the department of commerce and labor but in around 1913 they split it up they realized that commerce and labor had competing interests and it might be in the best interests of our working people to have their own cabinet department of course this was at the height of the progressive movement actually had progressives in the senate so andrew puzzler is the chief executive of cke restaurants as my listeners know puzzler runs cke they own carls jr hardy's green burrito and red burrito and as i've talked about on the show before mr puzzler has a history of being against labor being against the minimum wage being against family leave against overtime against obama care and we had robin urovic from capital in main she's an investigative reporter on the show she said that when it comes to sexual harassment cases cke leads the fast food industry in sexual harassment lawsuits and consent decrees from the justice department they really do not protect women at cke restaurants i recommend that you go back and listen to that interview with robin urovic from capital in main donald trump has nominated andrew puzzler who is no friend to labor and no friend to women robin urovic wrote a piece for newsweek and capital in main and when he was running cke industries his company was hit with race discrimination and sexual harassment lawsuits according to robin urovic she writes in capital main our investigation has found that since puzzler became ceo of cke in 2000 carls jr and hardy's have been hit with more federal employment discrimination lawsuits than any other major u s hamburger chain she goes on to write as a defendant in such cases it is number one among burger chains with one billion dollars or more in annual sales this is not a man who's friendly to women i have an article first published in the riverfront times july 26 1989 in another life andrew puzzler before he became the ceo of cke industries he was a st louis attorney who wrote missouri's anti-abortion law was named in the late 1980s in missouri to head the task force for mothers and unborn children he was named by then governor john ashcroft you might remember john ashcroft as the first attorney general under george w bush very religious man he ran for senate in 2000 in missouri and lost to a dead person i believe he's the only person in the history of the senate to lose his seat to a dead person this is true but since he was such a loyal republican george w bush made him his first attorney general very religious man john ashcroft very religious before he took the oath of office as attorney general his father rubbed crisco oil on his forehead to recreate the rights of the high priests of the first temple this is a very serious christian so christian he behaves like a jew this is serious stuff a lot of things wrong with john ashcroft but one heroic moment there was element of heroism while he was attorney general the national security agency under president bush and dick cheney created stellar wind it was a codename for information collected through the president's new surveillance program authorized by the national security agency they were tapping our phones and opening our mail and the justice department ruled that stellar wind john ashcroft ruled that stellar wind was illegal then he came down with acute pancreatis so he was in the hospital and president bush sent his chief of staff andrew card and white house counsel alberto gonzalez to ashcroft in the hospital with a pen in hand and insisted that he reverse the justice department's decision canceling stellar wind ashcroft's wife was by his side and she was horrified she made a call acting attorney general at the time was james comey he went to ashcroft's bedside and told andrew card and alberto gonzalez to leave that ashcroft is not going to reverse his justice department's ruling that stellar wind is illegal comey said i'm the acting attorney general and i'm not going to sign it and the current attorney general over there in the hospital bed is also not going to sign it it wasn't signed as a reward george w bush rewarded alberto gonzalez with ashcroft's job when he resigned and comey was considered one of the good guys in the bush administration he stood up to cheney andrew card and refused to authorize stellar wind so he was named fbi chief by president obama because he was somebody we could trust up until about 10 days before the election back to ashcroft very religious guy at the time he was the governor of missouri good friends with the saint louis attorney andrew poster who is now trump's pick to be secretary of labor and at that time andrew poster was it was the anti-abortion warrior family values well around that time his uh 1986 divorce depositions became public his wife accused him of some serious abuse that required the police to come out there were definitely pictures of mrs poster no longer his wife there were pictures taken by the police of lisa poster black and blue from the riverfront times in missouri it says that items that are in the public record that are not sealed the former mrs poster alleged that andrew poster hit her through her to the kitchen floor when she tried to call the police for help in 1986 he unplugged the phone after that she saw a protective order against poster alleging that he choked her through to the floor hit her in the head pushed his knee into her chest twisted her arm threw against the wall dragged her across the floor wouldn't let her call 911 and then kicked her in the back there was a mutual consent order that prohibited poster from entering the second and third floors of their home poster did acknowledge in the deposition that in the late 70s he and his wife got into a shouting match that caused neighbors to phone the police the police showed up and found poster and his wife throwing plates at each other because andrew poster was yelling at his wife over the way she cleaned the house poster said in the divorce deposition yes the police did show up yes we were throwing plates but not at each other and the neighbors did call the police there was another allegation that andrew poster donald trump's choice for secretary of labor poster and his wife were in a car coming home from dinner in 1985 and poster according to his wife punched her he said he recalls no incident but he added i do recall coming back from a restaurant and both my wife and i had liquid refreshment at dinner so he was drinking and driving according to the deposition uh the couple was married in 73 divorced in 1987 they have two children poster when he was being considered for at that time governor ashcroft's task force for mothers and unborn children as a pro-life champion he told the riverfront times that his domestic troubles should have no bearing on his public work quote this is a personal matter and has nothing to do with issues that i'm speaking out on it's a personal matter kind of like abortion his wife like avana trump later recanted all these accusations even though her lawyer at the time daniel sokel who later became vice chairman of the family law section of the missouri bar association take that information for what it's worth sokel says he has copies of medical reports that would back up the claims that puzder hit his wife he said he was unable to talk puzder's wife into uh going to trial on a claim of adult abuse because mrs puzder knew that her husband was an attorney and kind of understood that he could withstand the rigors of litigation better that's andrew puzder very active in lawyers for life it's an anti-abortion group in missouri he wrote missouri house bill 1596 that the supreme court upheld which made it harder for women to get abortions so that's andrew puzder donald trump wants him to be secretary of labor nice right of course she recanted the same way avana does the way the same way most women do because they've got kids and they want money they want a settlement they just want this guy to go away bad guy it makes sense that a guy who throws plates at his wife and screams at her about her house cleaning would treat his employees at carls jr even worse because they're not blood they're not his wife abusive bully i've been complaining about bill crystal speaking of abusive bullies bill crystal has been tweeting up a storm against donald trump expiating his sins for the war in iraq by being against donald trump a lot of people are doing that now you know i'm optimistic people from the the right wing are going after donald trump john you wrote an op-ed piece in the new york times on monday ringing his hands over donald trump's executive order banning muslims john you if you you probably don't remember was the counsel to george w bush who wrote letters in the white house telling george w bush that torture was okay that waterboarding was okay but now john you like bill crystal is saying where did donald trump come from this man is horrible we must stop him john you a bush appointee he now teaches at berkeley of all places we do have to destroy donald trump and steve bannon and we do need allies but when i see people like john you and bill crystal attacking trump i know that the real reason they're attacking trump is because donald trump donald trump has made it settled law that the bush administration was a total disaster if you remember in the debates he humiliated jeb jeb bush he touched the third rail at republican politics 9 11 happened on your brother's watch your brother did not keep us safe and then during the debates he touched the fourth rail and he said iraq did not attack us on 9 11 you don't do that if you're a republican and then he touched the fifth rail and he said iraq was a disaster trump said that he was against invading iraq which it turns out he was lying about that but he's made it settled law trump has that the invasion of iraq was pretty much a crime and that is why john you and bill crystal are going after trump because they can't control him is trump dangerous yes is bannon dangerous yes but be very wary of the neoconservatives the neoconservatives who are attacking trump they're not worried about our freedoms they're worried about their reputations to wit elliott cone he is uh the director right now of strategic studies at john's hopkins university from 2007 to 2009 he was secretary of state condoleezza rice's counselor before that he worked for paul wolfowitz who was one of donald rumsfeld's stuges during the iraq invasion over defense elliott cohen along with bill crystal invented the invasion of iraq he co-founded pinaq the project for the new american century pinaq it was back in 1997 and it was a bipartisan organization out of washington dc that pushed for an invasion of saddam hussein's iraq topple saddam hussein in iraq created in iraq of democracy and it will spread like wildfire throughout the middle east that was pinaq the project for the new american century they had a war plan all in place right after 9 11 benjamin neton yahoo belonged to pinaq rumsfeld belonged to it it was created by bill crystal and this guy elliott cohen when we needed to go to war with iraq even though they didn't attack us on 9 11 there was elliott cohen working as dick chainies propaganda parrot going on every talk show saying that muhammad atah one of the ring leaders of the 9 11 hijacking had met in cheque slovakia with an iraqi intelligence officer proving that saddam hussein was behind 9 11 this is a libel that continues to be spread in the weekly standard the magazine that bill crystal founded which continues to be published even though it doesn't make any money it's subsidized by people like rupert murdoch guys like bill crystal will talk about the moral hazard of welfare people should be able to take care of themselves even though he has been living off rich benefactors for decades the weekly standard could not survive without rich benefactors paying the bills there's no market for the weekly standard he is being paid by people like the coke brothers and rupert murdoch to write things that will make them happy so elliot cohen also was against president obama's decision to put chuck hagel a republican in defense because elliot cohen didn't believe that chuck hagel would want to invade iran you see elliot cohen has a new book out and he's still pushing peenak is a new book out it's called the big stick the limits of soft power and the necessity of military force the necessity of military force so he's out there pushing for more invasions steve bannon just put iran unnoticed this week right iran launched a ballistic missile president bannon and trump told them there's a new sheriff in town donald trump wants to get rid of the deal that obama struck with iran trump is rattling his saber and saying you know we we need to go into iran so you would think elliot cohen would be glad that steve bannon is president and yet elliot cohen just like bill crystal created the invasion of iraq just like bill crystal elliot cohen is upset with donald trump and calls him a mortal threat to our republic he writes in the atlantic and by the way the atlantic has a great website which i recommend that you go to every day the atlantic monthly it's a magazine but they've really mastered the internet very readable website that they update every day this is what elliot cohen wrote about donald trump the problem with donald trump precisely is one of temperament and character you know who had character in temperament george w bush very disciplined jogged very polite and could be manipulated and controlled and talked into invading iraq this is what elliot cohen writes it will not get better it'll get worse as power intoxicates trump and those around him it will probably end in calamity substantial domestic protests and violence a breakdown of international economic relationships the collapse of major alliances or perhaps one or more new wars even with china on top of the ones we already have it will not be surprising in the slightest if his term ends not in four or in eight years but sooner with impeachment or removal under the 25th amendment the sooner americans get used to these likelihoods the better this is from elliot cohen who gave us the war in iraq why is he still talking this is a man who has a new book out called the big stick the limits of soft power and the necessity of military force he's saying we need to flex our military muscle around the world and yet he writes that trump is going to get us into a war well yeah so is elliot cohen in fact you already got us into a war you got us into iraq two million dead iraqis four million refugees uprooted in iraq the biggest military blunder in the history of the united states elliot cohen and bill crystal created this they created and john you broke the geneva conventions by writing memos authorizing waterboarding and torture and all three of them are writing pieces in the new york times in atlantic monthly oh donald trump he's destroying our constitution my advice to everybody is to calm down if bill crystal and elliot cohen were wrong about iraq and they're against donald trump why would we think they'd be right about trump it gives me hope it gives me hope when i see these these crave and self-serving lunatics like bill crystal john you and elliot cohen attacking trump they have been wrong about everything makes me think they could also be they're going to be wrong about trump they loathe trump because trump broke their brand during the debates he made it established law that neocons like elliot cohen and bill crystal were morally and intellectually bankrupt that's why they're against trump well mr trump gave an interview with bill o'reilly during the super bowl and they talked about mr putin mr putin and trump said i respect him i respect a lot of people whether that doesn't mean i'll get along with them o'reilly pushed and he said to the president putin is a killer trump didn't blink he said there are a lot of killers we have a lot of killers what you think our country is so innocent let me repeat what trump said there are a lot of killers we have a lot of killers you think our country is so innocent now trump has to go he has to be impeached he has to resign but he says things that are true he says a lot of true things that's why bill crystal george w bush brinsko craft that's why the republicans don't like him i'm not defending trump but he says you think our country is so innocent there's a new book out by joshua curland sick it's called a great place to have a war america and laos and the birth of a military cia i'm gonna try to get him on the show i've been reading reviews of it and i was shocked by what i didn't know about laos or laos at the time there was a a secret war in laos in laos but i'm gonna call it laos there was a secret war in laos in dot China during the fifties the french evacuated in dot china vietnam and laos is next door america slowly entered the war in vietnam under kennedy we discovered that the north vietnamese had something called the ho Chi Minh trail and we're using laos to run arms and run soldiers in and out of south vietnam to attack our side so we began bombing laos a conventional war was out of the question we were barely able to start a conventional war against north vietnam so we had to have a a secret war against the path at low they were the communists so operation momentum began in 1961 was started by the cia they used the air force they used the air force but it was the first time that the cia created their own paramilitary unit this is all according to joshua kirlan six new book a great place to have a war american laos and the birth of a military cia last september president obama visited i don't know how to pronounce this vietnam the the capital of laos and president obama openly admitted that the united states between 1963 and 1974 dropped two million tons of bombs on laos if you were to take all the bombs dropped on germany and japan all the bombs dropped on germany and japan combined during world war two more bombs were dropped on laos between 1963 and 1974 then all the bombs dropped on germany and japan laos according to president obama is the most heavily bombed nation in history did you know that i didn't know that until president obama said that back in september and then i conveniently forgot it because i liked obama and i was happy with my country and i was optimistic and i didn't want to relitigate the past but we fought a secret war for a decade and a half in laos american bombs through the cia killed 10 percent of the leotian people 80 percent of all bombing casualties were civilians i believe that's called a war crime i believe that constitutes a trial at the haig operation momentum which i'm just learning about because i'm reading about this book the great place to have a war american laos and the birth of a military cia by joshua krillancic for more than a decade every eight minutes around the clock 24 hours seven days a week we were dropping bombs on laos it costs 500 million dollars a year which is the equivalent to about 3.5 billion dollars today so who profits why were we doing this why are we bombing laos this is a country about the size of ohio why are we bombing them a couple billion dollars a year that's a lot of money for bomb makers and they weren't just ordinary bombs we dropped 260 million cluster bombs over a course of 580,000 bombing missions think about this 580,000 bombing missions between 1964 1973 over laos every eight minutes 24 hours a day for nine years according to legacy of war this is a website that's trying to raise money to remove the unexploded ordinance that's still there in laos i'll get to that in a second according to legacy of war we dropped seven bombs for every man woman and child living in laos half of laos is now contaminated with uxos those that stands for unexploded ordinances those would be bombs grenades and landmines and cluster bombs now what is a cluster bomb it's a bomb that contains smaller sub bombs mini bombs so when it drops hundreds of little bombs spread out they scatter about 100 yards away from the crater 260 million cluster bombs dropped by the united states 30 of them didn't detonate paying a lot of money for these bombs shouldn't we get our money back from the people who made them 30 percent of them fail to detonate each bomb contains about six to seven hundred small bomblets right now there are about 78 million unexploded bomblets throughout laos and their rice fields and their villages on their school grounds roads the bombing stopped in 1973 since then 34 000 laosians have either been killed or injured by stepping on these cluster bombs that go off 60 percent of the victims our children and even though president obama in september promised to dedicate money to get rid of the unexploded ordinances at this time according to legacy of war only one percent of those bombs have been removed when donald trump talks about putin and tells bill o'reilly yeah he's a killer america has a lot of killers trump said you think our country is so innocent we kind of destroyed laos the million lay oceans were turned into refugees in their own country we knew about it senator fulbright was the chairman of foreign relations committee this all was exposed in the new york times was exposed on cbs news it was exposed in the early 70s by senator fulbright it didn't stop for another two or three years after we learned about our secret war in laos is the cia ashamed of this no according to the author of a great place to have a war joshua kerlansik the cia considers it a sacred war a good war because it proved that the cia could go from being an intelligence gathering organization to a paramilitary force the cia thinks very fondly of a secret war that they conducted in laos where they lied to congress and denied and kept a secret by the way they lost the cia lost the war the pathet laos the communists took over and they're still in power but the cia considers it a sacred war because they proved to themselves that they were able to fight a war with immunity the war was a success because they were able to do it because they were able to keep it secret because they were able to launch secret wars in central america because 10 years later when we discovered what bill casey and oliver north were doing in nicaragua our law enforcement our senators looked into that abyss and the cia and they blinked and they said you know what we better not go there you know the cia had been laden in 2001 they had him in their crosshairs george tenet talks about this he was the head of the cia he said they had him in kandahar in 2001 but rumsfeld the secretary of defense made the cia stand down because rumsfeld wanted the defense department to get the kill within our government there are little power bases and everybody's fighting for their own share of the power the cia is fighting among itself the pentagon has its own intelligence agency and they're fighting with the cia this is way beyond anything you and i understand but when trump who's got to be removed takes on the cia it's not like they're innocent and don't flatter yourself america it's not like you're innocent it's not like i am innocent it's not like we woke up one day and there was a coup d'etat and donald trump seized power and suddenly evil was emanating from the oval office this has been going on for decades we chose not to pay attention and we're going to continue not to pay attention to most of this stuff after they get rid of trump trump is the boogeyman trump is scary he's not subtle he's a wrecking ball he speaks the truth even though he's an inveterate liar he speaks the truth about the cia he speaks the truth about iraq he speaks the truth about the bush family and what we've done that we are a nation of sinners by looking the other way we are a nation of killers so stop flattering yourself we're not an innocent people that doesn't mean we can't get better but we've committed a lot of horrible crimes that we knew about we we knew about laos i knew i knew about this sort of i chose not to pay attention to it it didn't start with trump and it's not going to end with trump constant vigilance constant vigilance these are these are bad people and we've always had bad people we're a military nation we spend more on military than we do on schools or feeding our children it's not going to change overnight but let trump be the wake-up call and let slowly get better but don't flatter yourself america we didn't suddenly become bad when trump took over we've conveniently either forgotten what we've done or chosen not to pay attention start paying attention david dayan writes for the intercept and the nation magazine two of my favorite publications he is the author of chain of title how three ordinary americans uncovered wall streets great foreclosure fraud it won the studs and i the turkle prize and uh you also write for vice and the american prospect one of your stories is about friday's executive order in which donald trump promised to overturn many of the regulations in dot frank and you call it a full frontal assault on financial reform what is dot frank so dot frank was uh the response to the financial crisis uh in 2010 democrats held congress and they passed this uh very sweeping set relations it's so massive you can barely explain it or define it in any uh cogent way but it was uh a number of reforms some of them sort of responding to what happened uh there's some you know loan reforms some reforms of derivatives trading which was one of the main drivers of the crisis uh and then others were just sort of the sets of of things that democrats and reformers and liberals have wanted to do on financial reform for some time so it's like an over thousand page hundreds of rules that uh were then passed on to the regulatory agencies to then write uh based on the guidelines in in dot frank so it was uh you know one of the larger accomplishments uh i think people will will say of the obama era so what do you say it was sent on to the agencies it was sent to the sec to deal with stocks and the fdic to deal with banks and then with the federal reserve they created the consumer protection bureau with right that's the one new agency i mean a lot of what dot frank was did was kind of tweak around the edges take the system that we already have and just sort of you know add some more supervision here at some more you know uh certain types of uh data gathering or disclosures there the consumer financial protection bureau is the only new agency that was created at out of the ashes of the financial crisis and this is where we first heard of elizabeth warren she was the it was her brainchild actually she she wrote in a magazine years before that we should have a an agency for defective financial products the way that we have an agency for defective toasters you know the consumer product safety commission so the idea was to you know take that i did that that concept of an agency looking out for consumers and apply it to the most important purchases of our lives which are these financial purposes whether it's loans for housing or auto loans or or student loans or whatever that there would be an agency that would be centrally where consumers and and they would when you say consumers the people who buy stocks who go to financial planners those are the consumers we're talking about right i mean not necessarily stocks but yes uh people who purchase financial products whether it's mortgages or auto loans or uh things of that nature and it would be account and it would be housed in the federal reserve to keep it apolitical that was the idea that's generally the idea i mean i mean really the idea is so yes that it it uh the funding would be independent of the appropriations process uh... and if that's the case then when republicans get in power really do you know anyone with an axe to grind against the agency gets in power they can't be funded through the regulatory process which happens by the way on many of the other banking agencies and it's sort of a way that congress can keep these agencies under their thumb uh... the the commodities futures trading commission which is the agency that handles this derivatives market which is multi-trillions of dollars of trading that happens uh... on a daily basis is a woefully unfunded agency that that can barely keep up with the trades that are being done themselves let alone police misconduct with through dark uh... this is a clever way for congress to to really keep their their attentions on these types of agencies by essentially defunding them and so that the the idea with the cfpb was that cfpb is the consumer financial protection bureau that's correct and we'll keep it out of the the hands of the appropriators by having it independently funded through the federal reserve and the republicans hated elizabeth warren obama couldn't name her to this post a guy named caudry was cordy was replaced who cardry was put in and instead of her and she went on to become one of my favorite senators the the two idea keeping her out of washington yeah by the republicans slick move so people don't remember the financial disaster americans were sold bogus products by marylench by bare sterns by goldman sacks goldman sacks was revealed to be selling finance financial instruments to one client and betting against it with another client that's right and they talk about privatizing medicare and social security they say you know americans are smart enough to invest their own money they should be smart enough uh to to they can do they can invest their money better than social security can and yet there are vultures out there on wall street who are supposed to give good advice so you can invest your ira or your health savings account properly right and there was a fiduciary rule that right and and that actually is unrelated to dot frank um uh the the the fiduciary rule as you described it uh i call it the conflict of interest rule uh it requires and it comes out of the department of labor because this is about the retirement plans you get at work so your 401k plan your your pension plan uh those types of retirement accounts now you commonly have a you know if you're in a 401k you have a plan sponsor somebody some company some financial institution is running that plan and you can get advice from them on what to choose now you make your own decision but you get rich you know financial advice from an expert on what uh makes sense for you and currently those sponsors those investment advisors whether they're from you know the the the plan sponsor in your workplace or a separate outside advisor that you go to for help they operate under what is called a suitability standard and a suitability standard means that they are only required up with recommendations for you that are quote-unquote suitable for you and that word means essentially nothing and the the it's a very vague term it doesn't have any sort of force of law uh it means that these advisors can recommend that they get paid to sell you they can steer you into things that may not be suitable for you at all that may uh cost more than equivalent products that may but they get paid for it by whoever's peddling this and they're allowed to a fiduciary standard which is what the department of labor came up with as a new rule they haven't updated these rules since uh what is known as a reza the uh i don't remember what it stands for the employee retirement income securities act i believe um in the 1970s this is the last time they updated this portion of the law and under a fiduciary standard your investment advisor would be required to act in your best interest that is literally not the law right now they can they can operate and and and recommend products to you that are not in your best interest but uh under this fiduciary rule they would be forced to now um the obama administration tried for years and years to put this thing together uh there's a lady at the department of labor who's like a force of nature named phyllis borsey and and if it wasn't for her this wouldn't have ever existed at all because uh the administration uh the obama administration uh you know we're getting a lot of flak from investment advisors they put out a report in 2015 that showed that individuals individual investors lose 17 billion dollars a year because of these conflict of interest because investment advisors place them in plans that have high fees that uh those that are costlier than equivalent products so 17 billion dollars a year essentially being taken out of your pocket as a retail investor and put into the pockets of these wall street and financial institution players which is the fiduciary rule was passed in april uh analyzed uh the implementation date was april of this year so just a couple months from now and uh what was done last friday is that donald trump signed an order the department of labor is required to review the rule what really wants to be done the the one of his top advisors is guy gary kohn who used to be the president of golden and sacks he's a lifer from golden sacks and he just a review and in sort of without putting your thumb on the scale he out now said this is a bad rule for consumers and and what he said was that it's like if you have a menu and you're required to put all kinds of healthy food on it uh and and they don't let you put the elf unhealthy food on even though it might taste good because it'll kill you someday that was his justification for killing the fiduciary rule uh and allowing people to put a poison i guess in your in your investment account so i so has it been killed where does it stand right so as i said the implementation the implementation date isn't until april uh which means that at the conclusion of this review they can simply delay the implementation of the rule uh there's a long process that that any any kind of administrative rulemaking at the federal agency level takes a long time to do you have to do a proposed rule and a public comment process even to rescindal you you have to go through all these steps that could take a year or more however if it never gets implemented effectively it's dead right now i mean it it's you know it's like mary garland ever so it's mary garland that's correct yeah i mean you know it's it's theoretical uh at that point if they're determined uh and then they halt the implementation process that i would imagine it doesn't come into play now one thing i can say and and some people have said is that a lot of companies have already set in motion the idea of becoming fiduciaries a lot of these investment advisory companies have already pushed forward done a lot of the planning and plan to go go ahead and act as fiduciary so you you you will have some players in this industry decide okay you know what we might actually get more business if we advertise that we're not here to screw you as as the client uh that we're acting in your best interest so you know in in some sense putting the rule together might have helped if honest companies have to compete against dishonest companies and dishonest companies can make lots and lots of money off their clients uh by essentially hiding the ball and not disclosing these additional risks and these additional costs uh it's hard for the honest company to really compete over time uh because they they're simply at a disadvantage because they can't make money in the same way even though there's a trend in the industry to move towards being fiduciaries i i still think that uh not having a rule is going to be very detrimental and it's going to cost people a lot of money that they can you know hang on to in retirement so my listeners who have money uh two why are they listening to this show that's my first question secondly who do you can you go to somebody to get advice can you even without the fiduciary rule can you ask an advisor do you stand to make money off this advice you not only can but you should i mean any investment advisor that you go to you should ask them are you willing to operate as a fiduciary in this relationship and i'm setting up with you and will you put that right and what does that mean excuse me for one second david what is fiduciary so when you say will you act as a fiduciary what is that what is that right it essentially is shorthand for saying will you act in my best interest will you commit in writing in a contract to acting in my best interest to to disclosing all conflicts of interest you might have to uh offering me products that uh are suitable for me uh things like that so it's it there's a there's a contractual kind of requirement when you say i'm acting as a fiduciary that opens you up to a lawsuit essentially if you if you are found to not have acted in your client's best interest so uh okay i i didn't know what a fiduciary meant i i've called a lot of net yeah i've called a lot of stockbrokers douches but i've never called them fiduciaries so yeah when you put the fi in front of you meaning a little bit dot frank section 1504 it's an anti-corruption rule that you write about in the nation and the senate uh rescinded it uh on friday i believe is that a gift to rex spillerson the former ceo of exon mobile now our secretary of state it really is because uh rex tillerson actually personally lobbied against this rule getting put into dot frank as i mentioned before dot frank is kind of this grab bag of different ideas that have been floating around and one of them was that the fc she should force oil and gas companies to disclose that they make to foreign governments in order to get entry and and access to their resources and it's a pure anti-corruption rule so that investors uh what is being done in in in terms of getting uh into various countries uh these payments can be used to you know hide uh... certain monies it could be illicit payments it could be uh things that get laundered there are a lot of ways that you can use these types of payments if they're undisclosed any undisclosed payment can be used uh... to uh... you know move money from one place to another uh... without you know the authorities knowing about it and so uh... this is a this is a standard that isn't thirty other compact countries uh... that you know the idea that the republicans for forward in in killing this rule was that this puts makes an unlevel playing field for the united states but that's not true i mean most countries that uh... have oil and gas industries have this kind of disclosure framework uh... and now we're one of the few that doesn't we're now the anomaly uh... because the uh... the this rule didn't get finalized until very late in the obama administration and under a very little known statute called the congressional review act uh... congress has the right within a sixty day time frame to review that get finalized and they could do what is called a resolution of disapproved senate and and two hundred eighteen house that only takes a majority vote you can't filibuster these resolutions and if they're signed by the president then rescinded and no to them can ever be brought up without congressional approval and this rule very rarely comes into play because well it's a simple reason that that presidents don't usually vote you know signed bills that were sinned to their own rules however when you have a change of power uh... and and and you have uh... the party uh... in congress running congress as the same party as the new president but you can get situations like this the only other time that the congressional review act has been used was uh... george w bush when he came in they rescinded a uh... workplace ergonomics role from two thousand one right as the only other time this happened so uh... you know it's it's because it only takes this majority vote the very attractive option to kickoff this one you know bananas of deregulation that we're about to see and uh... so the senate took it uh... sent the house and they they actually killed another one called the stream protection rule that uh... uh... uh... i think that uh... is a work it was a requirement uh... that waste from coal mining not be pushed into streams uh... which which seems sensible enough but that that had to go to so the first two rules under the congressional review act that were killed benefit uh... oil gas and coal interests it's just uh... i want to get before you go i want to get your article in the intercept steven schwarzman is the head of donald trump's white house jobs panel so it's the steven schwarzman uh... who is steven schwarzman and he's in charge of creating jobs this is worth the CEO of a company called blackstone and blackstone is a private equity firm and what is private equity firm well private equity firms are these uh... investment companies that pooled together million millions of dollars and they go out and they purchase companies these companies with a lot of that they used to be called leverage buyout companies load them up they uh... try to change the management system within the company uh... often what they do is they just extract a lot of values sometimes they sell the real estate offer they uh... cut costs to the bone uh... use financial engineering to take money out of that company and they spin it around and within three to five years they put that company back uh... that either they sell and and put it uh... you know take a public uh... and they're trying to make money off of these different companies and they do it by firing everybody often uh... by firing people by using bankruptcy provisions by restructuring union contracts their variety of ways the private equity firms make their money this is you know mit romney was a private equity uh... fund manager at being capital this is this is that this type of vulture capitalism uh... that uh... we've seen uh... and private equity has a problem the problem is is that about a quarter of all private equity funds come from uh... you know whether it's public pension funds union pension funds uh... private companies pension funds those part of those institutional investors uh... put a lot of money in the private equity because then they get returns uh... i saw you down i you've been very generous with your time and i just want to make sure i i just want to make sure i understand you got a terminology blackstone is a private equity company so what they'll do is they'll raise billions of dollars right and they'll take an equity and and they'll buy a publicly traded company in other words though they'll take public sometimes private but yes they'll buy a company they'll buy a company and they'll take it private which means it's no longer traded as a stock that's right that's right or it might not have ever been in there they're just they'll just you know by a private company and then they go in and they slash and they burn they get rid of they make short-term decisions for quick that's correct they they they're not thinking about and they extract as much value out of these companies as they can and then they spin them back out within three to five years that's what gordon get gordon gecko in wall street was doing that to buds fathers airline and and blackstone by the way is the largest private equity company in the world and that's right steven schwarzman this is steven schwarzman is the number one company that does this so a pension plan if you're with the teamsters or if you're remember the writers guild union you have a pension that builds up over time and when you retire you draw from it they have to invest that pension and get returns on it and there's a lot of money with these unions the teachers unions cal perz the big california pension for uh... public employees and they have to invest that money and they have to get a good return on it so they write they go to steven schwarzman and say here a couple billion dollars invested that's right and uh... the problem for the likes of steven schwarzman is that they're just aren't a lot of pensions like that anymore what are called the fine benefit pensions um... that you know it's still significant sort of money but that money is diminishing and the real money is over in what are called the fine contribution pensions and that's your for a one-k so let's let's let's let's this is okay i know it's complicated so slow down our fathers and grandfathers who work for factories had to find benefits so in other words when they retired they would get a set sum of money every month came in the mail that was your paycheck that was one leg of your your retirement school you had your social security you had your savings and you had your defined benefit pension you knew every month you're going to get that check from your company in the mail that you paid for you you paid into all your working life and it's a minister at that and it's administered by a company that you used to buy the company that's right then under the reagan administration there were a lot of mergers and acquisitions in a lot of companies that have been around for thirty forty fifty years disappeared or got bought out but they had to still hold on to these pensions in these payout these defined benefits and it became a burden for these companies it made it more difficult to engage in mergers and acquisitions because you had underfunded pensions sometimes you had overfunded pensions which made you attractive uh... to to gordon gecko but for the most part they they wanted these pensions these defined benefit plans off the books to create right more fluidity and as i understand it in the nineteen seventies sort of accidentally this part of the tax code was created where companies could be instead of a defined benefit they could just pay in uh... a a a an employer match to a and individual retirement plan and then let the individual choose the the the various mutual funds that they want to invest in and they don't they would not have to do this defined benefit over time but they would just have to set up this plan through the no the tax go that's why it's called a 401k that's a section of the tax code uh... just let the individual take control of of that plan now what and that is a very very popular and that's a defined contributions in other words is that it is the only thing you have to do as a company is contribute your match to that 401k plan and and and that's the end of your involvement and the employee then it is it falls on the employee to invest that money properly that's right that's right and and this is much cheaper needless to say for the company uh... you saw a wave of these 401k plans replacing defined benefit pensions and defined benefit pensions are uh... a fairly small sliver of uh... the country uh... of of workers actually have these now so define contributions are are sort of the way to go the problem is but well it's up only a problem for private equity but but but the problem for private equity is that they are not in that market they are not involved in for one k plans and it's for a good reason number one private equity cut funds usually require that their investors are locked in for three to five years in their plan and uh... the way that for one case or set up you could buy and sell us stock or mutual fund any day of the week locking mechanism for a 401k that number one number two is that private equity funds usually require a very large state like in the millions of dollars from their investors before they let them into a fund and for one k investors obviously at the individual level don't have that kind of scratch so you've never been able to buy into a private equity fund in your 401k but because the industry that the the entire retirement landscape is changing private equity wants to change that and that brings us back to this fiduciary rule as i mentioned private equity wants to get into this for one k market they think the best way they can do it is if they go through plan sponsors you know somebody at your employer usually it's an outside companies hired by your employer who puts together what types of uh... what offerings you have available to you in your 401k so tia a craft for one of these companies uh... financial companies says okay you can buy this this or this you buy these mutual funds or you can buy this uh... what they call a target date fund if you're you might have heard that if you're uh... if you have a for one k it's not supposed to be this fund that will get you to retirements and it will change the mix and and mutual funds in that the the product over time so that when you uh... are getting older it's uh... when you're younger it's more more aggressive when you're older it's more conservative and it gets you to uh... it's supposed to get you to a target number uh... of that you know i'm an amount of money that you will be able to private equity decided well let's get into those let's get into those target date funds because that's a lot of money amassed and we can figure out what the plan sponsors how we can do it and uh... the uh... you know they get the individuals can buy and sell the target fund but will have enough money uh... available uh... and we don't want to change our system too much let's get in those target people now these are you know these private equity investments are very risky hidden fees where the managers that of these private equity fund the mit romney's of the world the steve schwarzman's of the world make a lot and lots of money off these even if the investors don't this would all have to be disclosed under the fiduciary role in sponsors would have to tell their employees uh... the employees who are making the choice to to pick this plan that all well we have these private equity funds in here and they're very risky and here are the fees and they're all disclosed and and and now you can you know make an informed decision if there's no fiduciary rule they don't have to do any of that they can steer you into this target fund that uh... may have these very risky investments and by the way you would be using your money to fund this predatory version of capitalism that's that's that's flashing worker wages and firing workers uh... and there's a huge pool of trillions of dollars that is suddenly available to uh... these types of of businesses to engage in that uh... so i i i think it's a two-fold problem it's not just that they're risky investments they can they can rip off the investors but these investors are then going to place this money in in this really i think negative way in which uh... the economy works that sort of the secret beneficiary of this is private equity and and steven schwarzman and this day who's the head of this this jobs panel that he signed that order added that opening remarks at that jobs panel we're getting rid of all your regulations talking to the the ceo's who are assembled uh... and he was right because uh... he he certainly uh... got rid of one of the more important uh... regulations for the private equity interest industry to uh... survive and thrive it's they're just looting money they didn't they they look at social security they see a pool of money there they salivate over that they see for a one case the money's trillions of dollars pilot up and they they don't think about creating a business they just pile of loot and say how can i take that and for what happened here that the defined contribution pensions there is six point eight trillion dollars invested in these defined contribution plans but he looks at that and said that that's uh... that's capital that we need for ourselves we've got to get in there uh... and they've been trying for years and years and years and uh... certainly killing a rule that says that advisors have to act in the best interests of their clients helps facilitate that alternative facts wall street operates on alternative facts it is a as bernie sander said an entire industry whose business model is fraud you write in the intercept that none of these private equity firms like blackstone can outperform the market yes i mean that's really the the hidden story here is that uh... contrary to that that that the private equity industry funds that says all we get the amazing returns we get alpha that's the big term that they use them alphas but the stand for uh... money up above a benchmark like this standards and pours five hundred of the dowl uh... any any returns about that is called alpha uh... but contrary to popular belief actually don't beat the market uh... most of the time if you do an apples apples comparison uh... and uh... so you have investment funds and now maybe in individuals pouring money into these alternative asset classes like private equity funds and then hedge funds which is another uh... uh... very predatory industry they do something they do things that are a little different they don't buy companies usually invest uh... in not just companies but certain stock uh... and and and hedge funds and hedge funds don't outperform the market no they don't either but they think that they but they're exclusive they have some kind of they're like a special club and you need to know the right person to get in there and then this genius will invest your money when which is true of private equity to i mean they both trade-off this myth that but through that exclusivity that it just sounds special uh... it makes the investor particularly a wealthy investor want to be a part of it because there's this whole mythology around these are the best managers and and and the best stock pickers in the whole world and uh... we have to be associated with them uh... but the truth is that uh... lots of hedge funds and private equity firms lose their shirt and and and you'd be and their clients will be much better off buying index funds yeah i mean the truth is is that you don't need any of this investment advice that jumped into uh... a a standard importers five hundred index funder total market index fund that is completely hands-off the fees are incredibly low and uh... you you really don't even need any of this advice so you know any time an investment visor is coming around saying have i got the idea for you uh... you you really should just one screaming in the other direction and god to go to just go to van garter van garter that's right i'm always amazing i'm living in new york i i know you've been generous with your time i know you've got another deadline but i'm living in i'm living in manhattan now and i run into a lot of rich people children of rich people and there is this myth promulgated right now by trump is three brilliant kids the children of the wealthy none of them understand how money works they always think they have to trust the greatest minds on wall street it just reinforces what i've always believed and that is the rich are not smart they're just lucky especially the children of the rich children of the rich have no idea how money works there they are the easiest marks for these vulture capitalists and you might say there's one born every minute yeah that there and the rich when you hear of them going into hedge funds you just got these people are stupid right even the self-made rich people are stupid and and if you're a private equity titan who and these are people who are the richest people in this world that make hundreds of millions of dollars a year not just tens of billions you are perpetually looking for easy marks and if there aren't enough wealthy magnets and scions uh... and there aren't and there are diminishing uh... in investment funds that are willing to sign up with your your enterprise whether it's uh... you know pension funds uh... or endowments uh... from universities or whatever you need another source of of money and and that's what's so dangerous about opening these up to individual retirement accounts and the other interesting thing about this is there are some very intelligent rich people but they're degenerate gamblers so what happens is wall street appeals to them because it's a casino but it's more elegant and they are able to through smoke and mirrors brokers and steven schwarzman are less croupiers than they are brainiacs they they present themselves as this is not poker this isn't the slot machine we're making you're smart here you're making decisions here there's research involved uh... you're you know you can make the the right bet if you do your homework so they have some kind of academic right rather than a student is to what is a casino just basically a casino well yes and and but the truth is is that they're gamblers but they're gamblers playing with mark cards because the the structure uh... private equity and also hedge funds is uh... it's commonly called two and twenty so uh... they get two percent of the total investment that you make off the top so they take two percent off the top and then if they make any profits from you they take twenty percent of those as well so the two percent off the top is winner lose so they're already ahead of the game and then if they profit they get a a outside portion of those profits and by the way they're doing the accounting on that so they can exaggerate returns to make them look more robust and take more of your money uh... they also can set up so that well the investors pay for consultants and what they do is they fire all the employees and hire them back as consultants and then the investor has to pay the payroll rather than well the private equity fund they know they're all sorts of tricks and games that they play so that it's not really gambling to these private equity titans of these hedge fund managers uh... because they're they're they're you know they're loading the dice for themselves but not their clients it's gambling it's gambling off the clients there are there at that the expense of the clients indeed it's a skim you know we have a casino other question we have a casino operator who's now our president and right and and schwarzman and these hedge funds are running casinos and they're legally skimming and and and uh... the real danger here is that we ended up as a with the president who's the one guy who went bankrupt in in the casino which is almost impossible david dyan is a david dayan is a contributor the intercept he writes for salon the fiscal times the new republic your book chain of title is about three ordinary americans on cover wall streets for quote foreclosure fraud it came out in may of two thousand sixteen thank you for your time you really take isn't seen complicated financial stories and make them not only entertaining but like a hedge fund manager you make an idiot like me think he's smart well thank you uh... i appreciate those kind words thank you come back real soon i hope no question thank you david dot of in the age of trump is it possible is it possible for us is a great topic it is a great topic can we love one of the other in a in a poisonous toxic stew of hate otherwise known as the trump administration welcome to the broadcast on david feldman david feldman show dot com is my microphone up today okay because i tend to whisper i'm doing the uh... being crossed the thing where i don't kill my being crossed the by the way revolutionized pop music because he knew that the microphone was doing all the work so he didn't have to 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life is a constant struggle protect yourself simplify your life take care of your body exercise walk three times a week have a vegan diet you can't i do it i'm perfect i figured it out took me a while but uh... i'm almost a vegan all right love in the age of trump two very important people in my life are here today lance weiss and angela cob hello hi i am shocked to discover your generation of comedians dot you don't understand why people become comedians we don't yet you don't uh... comedians you're too very funny committee comedians lance is already if i call you a comedian uh... you do everyone whatever makes you feel bad into a lot of trouble uh... with the female comics when i call them can make you feel good i'm all about yeah now i i don't really it's a pretty hard to get in trouble with me i feel like i love you and i love you can i talk about your opening remarks yes let me let me put it on for one second i'm not done boring my audience this is why you do comedy and you don't know it you're so out of touch your generation is just us young ins you don't know why you're doing this you're doing this for love and justice and you don't even know it you want love and justice you either had too much love or not enough love when your kids either too much justice or not enough justice when you're growing up and you are now adults and you discover that there's no love and no justice in your world and that's why you're doing stand-up comedy because it gives you love and justice or the illusion of love and actually pretty aware like there's a malbrux quote where he says similar stuff and i i like that a lot thank you yeah he talks about like i feel kids but i mean it's a little bit more one-sided than what than what you said but it but i i feel this way for sure he's like you know they don't perform as a comedian didn't have a lot of love is like no i think a lot of communities they had a childhood like full of love and then they grow up and realize you only get you a fair share as an adult you don't get like what you used to get as a kid so they seek it out like thank you for bringing that up i was about to to quote malbrux oh look at that because first of all that's angela coye angela cob is here is here my first time stand up in storytelling show it's monthly at q ed in the story it's the third wednesday of the month nine p.m. and i guess this week it this time around it's vert virginity now that's the whole theme of the show it's always virginity a lot stories yeah we got a lot to talk about so yeah my first time let's take a hearing about my virginity so let's talk about your which is a is a monthly show a q ed in a story it's the third wednesday of the month at nine p.m. and every show is about losing your virginity yeah but i put you know different comics and storytellers each month and it's yeah right and you do it as a podcast no but i've been actually now we i've been actually thinking about that and trying to make that happen because i think it might be a cool idea for well if our producer alex brazil the c.e.o. of show bristudios i know he's looking to get rid of me to move me out of his line up stop and maybe is he gonna take down that painting of you on the wall as well but i have yes i have actually toyed around it so i probably should do something about you should speak to i will to alex's i know he wants to get rid of me well he wants to keep the name the david feldman show yeah but give it to you oh yeah i'm the weakest link twitter angela cob at angela cob a n g e l a two b's it's a great name for show business because it's easy you're not gonna mess up angela cob right there's no misspellings there's no pronunciations no one's like kube it's show it really angela koo it's perfect right angela cob you're not gonna mess it up in pronunciation or spelling like i like it yeah it's a great show biz name i have a slogan for you oh god cob double b like david feldman's breasts gyneco it's called gynecomastia i thought i noticed something about that they were a little bigger than usual when does the podcast start it's not we're not are you uh and your tweets have been featured on midnight at midnight and the huffington post at all at lanc wies hello we're all here lanc wies is a new york city comedian his website is lanc wies dot com w e i s s lanc wies you can follow him on twitter at lanc wies on twitter perfect and your show is gone to is that you which is one of the best shows in manhattan uh i appreciate that it's really well produced no thank you it's uh it's a comedy show we run ours wednesdays at nine as well uh every wednesday uh february we'll be doing the show seven years cool um so it's just yeah it's good over over the time is built you know i'll just say that there's a lot of work and it's uh it's come to a pretty nice place so yeah who are some of the young funny comics coming up that you are what are we talking about how old how age or how who do you love right now comedy there's so many i know but who especially do you love so much you hate them uh i don't but hate but bill burr like i was listening to his monday morning podcast yeah and i had to turn it off i just said god damn you and it's just him too i know and i went oh man i can't my ego can my favorite comic in the whole city is mike dobbins mike who mike dobbins mike dobbins see that's the thing you either know mike or you don't but if you know mike i've heard the name but i don't know he's a legend if you know mike he's been he's been here man maybe i don't want to be i could be inaccurate but third maybe 13 15 years one funny if you know mike dobbins it's agreed upon how do you spell dobbins like a do bb in s alex you're writing that down see if funny as dude around i'll put it he's my absolute absolute favorite see if you can get him in here in the next 10 minutes so i could get rid of these get him in he's amazed he's unreal mike dobbins and if you know him you know it's who else who else is funny uh i mean if we're going you know depends on how well known or not you know who do you think is funny rory scovils unbelievably funny all right that's that we all know that i started with rory in dc so that's in you know um that's young who's coming up that we should know about okay we'll get back to ancillicott there's a lot i know i i know i was gonna say like i sound like you're you're saying all these other people and you're being so nice and i'm just sitting here like quiet like just me i'm the only one i would say in terms of people kind of like on my level coming up that i that i like a lot um christie mayer uh very funny how to spell mayor m a y r and christie is a female comic yes it's interesting you named male comics wow well you know actually you know it's interesting this is because i feel like there's a lot of funny male comics i know that i would say i've been doing it longer there's probably more male comics i know i've been doing it longer than i'm like they're funny there's more male comics in general but then like female comics i for whatever reason i'm more focused in on like female comics like on my level i don't know but christ christie mayer uh christin selton is very funny i introduced her at fun size of venti um smanther ruddy smanther ruddy is very funny too you ever had michael fox oh yeah i just did my mic is cool yeah she's super funny yeah amber nelson we've had michael fox mike i did her podcast oh my god and i just like ripped into we all ripped into each other yeah micah i she's cool i made the mistake with micah of having her speak for all women oh i'm there's no one should speak for all anybody yeah i speak for all jews i speak for 80 percent of all jews in this country leo bonama oh leo is great leo bonama who i don't know who that is uh it's been around yeah wow yeah that's it yeah i always have a hard time i'm funny yeah yeah she's really funny because when people ask like you know about it because you're always kind of thinking like well who's been around a while but then does everybody know about this person and who do i like so it's always it's always a yana dookie oh yeah ian is great dookie yeah dookie yeah ian is dookie how do you is that her realization okay i i think yeah please tell me she's african-american she is yeah she's very funny no she's very funny i she's super funny i like her first name should be anita i need a dookie uh by the way trevor noah has come into his own so i proclaim as though it matters the daily show has gotten really great he has found he has found it and samantha be oh everybody loves her yeah she's cool but i mean she's just getting better samantha be is you know really oh brook arnold is another one too brook arnold she's a really funny comic too um i like her i don't know she's another one are you writing these down mr brazil i feel like now but because i'm thinking more people started as i completely interrupt you and your whole thing um see i am taking over the podcast alex no i somebody has to lay down the lawyer i'm not gonna do it i'm tired now i'm tired i uh i'm trying now i'm trying to think of like um male comics we're more up and coming because like there's plenty of like male comics gonna be there a long time first off i just few people's comics i don't have i don't me too but i'm saying it he pointed out that there was like a kind of a division of what we were saying anyway see my producer likes to go where lightning is already struck i'm teasing you are you listening is it all right if i can't complain to you is this okay uh i'm trying grassy is a really good male comic i'm like i'm thinking of my contemporary people i really like him a lot oh see i'm in the trenches i'm just in the gutter the comedy trenches i'm in the life trenches i'm just in the trenches okay and i'm looking up at the stars but i'm in the i'm in the trenches you're in there i had a nice run as a stand-up comic about before you guys were born there was a time in my life when i could i i i not anymore but there was a time when i could call conan and say hey i got a set ready had it going you know and then i took all these writing jobs and i became sclerotic and i put stand-up into the back burner and god is now punishing me and i'm running i'm running with the 20 year olds here in new york to you know get my stand-up back on its feet right but that but see that but that's good because i think any good comic no matter how long they've been doing it like the is i find that like i find the most uh comics who are real comics like are going to go to an open mic even if they've been doing for 20 years are they going to chill with you know they're going to like do it right you didn't mind so but i wouldn't consider them up and coming comics because they've been doing it a while that's the only thing well i we're all up and coming always but you know well i'm on my way down he's on the way down yeah i am i'm i know that but everybody is really well but no and also i want to be around i want to be around young comics right sure i got you uh people my age are victims of their own expertise and uh some can be yeah that's interesting there's some there's some comics have been around for a long time they're still still progressive going at it so here's my complaint about somebody who produces a show we're talking about podcast live shows i'm just talking about any kind of event i think he's talking about one of us i'm not talking about one of my producers oh okay i don't want to mention alex presale i thought he was talking about one of us like i've done your show it sucks i don't want to mention alex brazil by name the owner and operator of show bra's studios i don't want to i don't want to when i was living in san francisco i was a great comic there you go purple onion well no this was before morris all i'm old i was a great comic and then i got plucked to be a writer by tom arnold mm-hmm to write for rossin and when you get plucked you have i was a gotta go but here's the thing about being a beautiful flower a delicate carnation tulip that i was i was so gentle and beautiful and people would watch my this is like 25 years ago no no i i was a beautiful you still seem gentle and beautiful i was a beautiful flower on stage and tom arnold plucked me and what happens when you get plucked is you die and you and what happens is then the flower gets folded into a book and pressed and it becomes this permanent dead thing that is still kind of beautiful i think he's describing how i lost my virginity actually but but but i was dead as a stand-up as a different skill yeah and i could open up the book as a pressed flower and say this is who i used to be oh right yeah and i you know i raised a family and became a comedy writer but you act like things didn't go well well as you wrote for like every tv show that's possible but as a stand-up comic sure i was everything i was a pressed flower oh i see well i think that's even what i was getting at earlier is like um people who are truly about being stand-up comics like will somehow always make that that'll be in their life somehow even if you feel like that was the pressed flower and your your focus was on writing or this is what i was getting paid to do it is whatever but because something in you was like i i have an identity as like a stand-up comic i got to go back to this i'm not i'm am i wrong yeah yeah no no no you're right you're right everybody's got different goals you're always wrong yeah exactly like i love stand-up as much as anybody but i you know if i got a great writing job or i'd take off for two years and do that make make money make money build a following have an audience like or do bar shows for eight people for the next year you know i mean see this is where i actually feel a little bit like i might have been more successful if i was like years ago because i feel like i haven't quite developed other skills that are like like if someone was like submit a writing packet i'd be like uh i can't i don't know like i'm really about like doing it like i write a joke i do it on stage i perform for audiences i talk to audiences after then i do the next show like i'm really about that but i need to like diversify myself more because in our genre i feel like in our kind of it's more about what you almost do like you know where's your web series where's your podcast where's your you know um where's your uh facebook live video where you're just bullshitting you know what i mean and it's so in a way it's weird like i i feel very like confident like i feel like stand-up comedies like the language i speak but then it's like i'm not yeah the problem is you have to make money at a certain point so it's like and not saying you you know hopefully you take off as a huge stand-up you make a lot of money you sell but a lot of people don't write that routes not available to them so then it's like here's a writing job for three grand a week and benefits you're like oh yeah pretty cool yeah no no i totally hear you it's more for me i think it's not even so much like i'd be like a sort of me writing gig i would more just be like oh really because teach me how to like what do i have to do yeah yeah but a writing job is and i'm grateful for anybody who will pay me for my thoughts and it is the greatest job it's a muscle being a comedy writer is the greatest job job job it's a job yeah oh for sure you have to go in on time mm-hmm and tell the line and do what you're told and it's a it's the greatest you're paid to read and write and hang out with people who hopefully are funnier and smarter mm-hmm right but it's a job yeah no i yeah is stand-up a job done well yeah i think so what do you mean all the people who are out there touring and really doing it uh it's work i don't think it's just i mean for some people yeah their routes may be a tad easier than but look at the people who are super successful they got a ton of dates they have some of their their podcast their own they have to get up in the morning do radio yeah it's a job see maybe and there's a difference between work and a job because when i hear job i think you have to get up early when i hear work i more think you're gonna work but maybe you start working at noon you know what i mean like i you know so when i hear job i more think regimented oh i'm bad at this because i have to wake up really early and be you know but work i think is slightly different than a job in my opinion justice in stand-up comedy is there really justice i believe that there's justice in stand-up comedy i also believe there's justice in podcasting not radio podcast just isn't how instead of garbage and garbage at the amount of work that you put into your stand-up or the amount of work that you put into your podcast there's a reward at the end the audience recognizes the work and and your the audience is your boss and they know when you're phoning it in stand-up comedy i don't know about podcast but i would say for stand-up i think absolutely like part of the reason i really like stand-up is like i've always considered myself a really good bullshit artist and normally when i would do things in life it'd be like if i can't if i'm not naturally good at this instantly like okay so this isn't for me you know i mean and like stand-up was one of the first things was like i had a natural aptitude for it but i also realized like i couldn't bullshit my way through it so like i was like okay i gotta actually you can't you know what i mean and i think that's why i like it because it's it's the most like level playing field it's like it doesn't matter if they bring you up and it's like you know they've done this this and this but if like in the first five minutes of your set you suck then i could no one cares what you've done you know what i mean it's very like i feel it's very like exact you know like right now did you do it or not you know it's it's it's in the moment of like there's like a one-to-one correlation yeah which i i like you know and i and it's it's i don't know i think that that's part of it is very genuine and sincere and like you said they can tell when you're bullshitting you know lance weas is not jewish you're not jewish no you're not jewish no god that's got to be terrible being mistaken for being jewish no it no it's why i mean i never really think i don't think about it no i'm more because isn't your name jewish we swiss or german german oh okay i don't know clearly i don't know if you uh i'm more because the name i didn't think you like you look like a jew i look like i'm whatever but i but i'm more of the name yeah it was well there are a lot of german names if you read the if you read the rise and fall of the third rike a hundred times the way i did to me it's a lot of people watch the god i can't read the sign it's upside down what does it say i can't read it this guy's sitting handwritten notes upside down i've got my i've got my reading glass oh i see what he said what did he say should we say can we say hello what do you think you don't know so what do you say what's the sign i think was move on transition to the next uh sex talk sex talk let's talk about sex and that's all for segment one all right you're right sex jews in the third rike wait to hear the next segment okay bob crane and hogan's heroes that how it all will loop around greatest autofocus rent autofocus rent autofocus one of the greatest movies ever made and it's about by the way what we're talking about autofocus is about bob crane a really good guy yeah well yeah it had to find good yeah who i believe got poisoned by hollywood oh yeah rent autofocus bob crane was the star of hogan's heroes i love hogan's heroes you know why hogan's heroes is great the lighting i'm serious well that yeah but it's well went i never saw oh it's awesome you'd love it hogan's heroes it's the greatest is one of as a great show and i attribute it great writing great acting but there is texture and a kind of you're right an authenticity to the lighting you're that makes it believable you're actually a right yeah it's cinematic it's a really well done anyway bob crane became very successful and then uh it wasn't during the 60 he was a victim of the 60s fame and money and turned to became obsessed with pornography and autofocus is the cautionary tale of what happens when you can have as much vagina as you possibly want and what what he had so much vagina much of a good thing too much of a good he had so much vagina in his face that he turned to pornography it's like the reverse of what land swiss and i you know it's like we watch so much no vaginas yeah he went from vagina to pornography yeah no yeah i know i know a little bit about it so anyway greg caneer great actor autofocus rented great movie love in the age of trump let me ask you about slump busters have you heard of this term slump busters like a copper bag is that like a carpet bag no i've never heard of slump more like a carpet muncher oh no i don't know what that meant i think i knew what you meant okay if you haven't been having sex for a while oh okay you want to put numbers on the board by going after a woman or a man who is easy oh and you want to put an end to your cold streak the idea is to get some confidence get that glow it's like hitting a home run of t-ball it's like a hitting a home run off a triple a pitcher gives you this feeling that you can do it again so have you ever had a slump buster have you ever been somebody slump buster probably are you using that person uh can a man feel used can a man feel like he's a slump buster do women need slump busters i think well as you described it that's why i went on because like to me i can't unless it's just because i don't know yeah i think a man could totally be a slump buster like given how it's how you um presented it if some to me it takes we've all like flirted with people for our own ego but to actually like go further in my opinion and be like i really don't like i'm not even really like attracted to you at all you know it just seems really i don't know contrived i don't know i'm wrong necessary bad and moral using somebody i just don't know this is different yeah let me know it isn't about moral see i don't even think that i could i'm trying to like maybe i'm just i can't fake i don't know like i it just seems weird to me that like truly that's all it's about it's like i i need to put you know what i mean like i don't need to put women don't need to put that you i'm not oh i needed to put believe me i've had sex just to put numbers on the board so i guess i have but i don't i didn't because i'm the virgin for 25 years so after what i was like no this is whatever this is i'm never gonna see this person again but i don't want to i don't want to like end up in heaven with like how many people you sleep well you know yeah anyway but let me ask you but i don't consider it like i didn't do it out of like sympathy for them or like ew they're beneath me like to me the term yeah buster sounds like i'm doing this so i feel better about myself because look at this loser yeah i so to me that's the part of it that's a little land squeeze physiologically okay physiology is what it's like mentally your body okay your body uh while you're making love okay you're not feeling like you're conquering something but afterwards when you pay her the money oh see this is an apologize to the pimp no like i have worked hard yeah yeah after after the sex it feels like a conquest for men i thought during it felt like a conquest that's rape no i don't mean like that i mean like i thought that was part of just even how we're built like no no i was talking about what's going on in the control that's interesting i i more thought i don't well show braz i'm sorry what were i'm more i guess maybe i even just thought because like of how we're built like anatomically i always more thought like is that the right word yeah okay like during it it was more like of a conquest for you like how i did a little table rock thing you know like you're chair rocking the show um yeah well that's interesting because i never thought about it that way that like after you're like hey like i even thought it was during you're like hey you know i don't know that to me that sounds i i'm 58 so i i need an emotional connection oh no you can have an emotional connection and still feel that the way i think though i just don't think having sex like i don't i don't remember i don't think i guess i there's a vial go ahead there is a violence that like well i mean before i i'm listening it's volatile it's not like i think again i'm going to quote people because sure so like i remember this was i was this is before i ever had sex but i remember like reading some um i'm a big marty feldman fan and it was some quote for him where he's like you know why marty feldman you know i go from young frankis nine wow yeah go ahead he's yeah you know who he is right of course yeah i love him he's like one of my comedy heroes this is my father yeah i was gonna say that yeah anyway i wish i got his looks that's i know well i kind of do too no i'm just gonna do it but uh there was some no but there was not my father no i know he's not hello feldman is so anyway next topic but anyway so he had he had a quote that was like something you know violence is in society and he's like you know making love and making war or both violent activities and i remember i was kind of like thinking about it like hmm but then like i finally had sex and i was kind of like i get it from the perspective of violent as in it's volatile not violent as in like it's shooting someone but violent like chemicals are you know volatile and explode you know like i feel that way like it's it's yeah i mean it's i you know but i don't i just i i can't i have daughters i i don't see sex as i i know that there was a little i don't know i think i know what you're getting at because i i even joke about this in my like i that was part of like i had a hard time like i feel like when i particularly like when i first started having sex like that because i'm one like i'm 511 like i'm not used as a woman like feeling vulnerable like physically at all really like i walk or like i don't feel like oh this person's gonna you know i'm kind of like yeah i'm told like i don't really feeling posed upon let's say but like it was your father i thought i thought when you said you were 511 i thought you were like a chain of knockoff stores like 711 it was actually 711 like this really yep i was so would you like a slurp so i said to my mom would i would you like a slurp anyway i uh so i i think that that's something that i've even still i think been trying to like rectify within myself this feeling of like almost like vulnerability or like submissiveness but at the same time like you're willingly like it feels good you know i'm trying to say it's like this this vulnerability that you feel with someone um so i get what you're saying but i think those two things can exist at the same time you know what i mean like i think if you you know yeah i think they they can have this stuff do you know about i vow i don't know that either martin buber i don't know a lot of stuff worshiping you find god in other people okay i've heard that right i've heard that so i think sex is a form of worshiping god so i've heard that yeah so when i perform kind of lingus i'm really yeah i'm going down your god i'm going down on god that is become god no no i'm going down yeah i'm god i'm i'm licking god what is the interesting i always thought about i just lost every single listener oh i think well by the way if your earphones just burst into flames when i say i'm performing kind of lingus i'm god no that i will agree i'm gonna agree with you on this though uh a little bit because i always find it fascinating um you know people believe in god people don't believe in god some people aren't sure if there's a god whatever you want to call it but there is a weird thing when people have sex that they yell oh god yeah like regardless mm-hmm of their of their maybe religion or their you know it's um and when you say god you mean help police somebody call the police that's i'm sorry i'm sorry i just i can't help myself the um but it yes that's why i masturbate all the time there you go that's a fascinating thing though that people like whether you watch movies or people yell it regardless of like the like the you know right the most um uh unreligious person will yell that in the moment be and so it's a weird is there some kind of connection to an actual whatever to uh to another world uh a god or you know universe of spiritual whatever and i remember even the other thing like you know i remember this is maybe embarrassing that but i remember like looking this up like what i had started to have sex because in french what is it like le petit moir i was like you're like die when you come yeah so like to me it's like okay so what is it like it's a little death like when you come you die that's what i say yeah so like it's kind of that's what i meant more about wrapping my head around this idea of like you're like enjoying it but at the same time like you're so like vulnerable to this other person that you're dead you know i mean it's like yeah anyway i just wrote look what i wrote aw aw as i go writing it says little yeah little death i got little death i wrote little death kid it says little de and i was just in the middle of writing a to make a note this is therapeutic of the type of snacks and then she just brought up le petit moir i think that's how you say yeah little death so i don't shake spirit talks about this yeah a little bit so what you're saying is when you have your orgasm when the belt is around your neck there's no more oxygen going to everyone does it different yeah no i that's not book ahead what that's the only way you can have an orgasm is if you strap kids listen to me there's a belt in your closet listen to bink rosby's kids he beat him with the belt and then they messed up there are a lot of children listening go on david i'm sorry there's a reason there's a belt in your no don't do that do not do not do not do that don't try any of this at home show briz yeah but if you do if you by the way if you do walk into your closet and your adolescent son is unconscious his name is alex brazil you wrote that joke and sue show briz studios they're an llc and okay so go on though i don't want to so that that when when you have an orgasm for that for that brief moment for a man for a woman it just never stops you are dead everything every your whole body you are dead right you've surrendered your well all that's left is right yeah so i think that's more the idea that like we were even talking about this earlier when you said about like rectifying like feeling like you're conquering someone versus but your respect is someone i think to me that's what i found hard because i'm not used to being like like out of control really or like i feel like for the most part i come off as kind of an alpha personality or just kind of like not i don't know people like i'm not gonna fuck with angela i don't know so to me it was kind of like jarring almost like you know because it was like this is nice but this is weird do i trust this person enough to even be in the you know what i mean so like it but i think that's what i mean what a time we had that's uh yeah we did we had a good time me and lance yeah nothing oh was this during uh hurricane katerina katerina it's during all the all the hurricane in college during um katerina so that's probably when it should have been like anyway but uh you were freshman in college during katerina is that how you lost your virginity no i lost it during hurricane sandy years later get the hurricanes but anyway people are sick of hearing about this anyway my point was you lost your your virginity during hurricane sandy yes i was 25 four years ago yes okay so anyway hi lance how you doing um i remember that yes you were there too what are you doing all of you wow we were all crazy everybody had sex i remember chris christie hugged barack obama everybody got everybody got horny during they had sex they're called poor obama anyway um so you've all you've been in the game for five almost five years yeah four and a half years yeah but anyway the point i guess i was trying to make was that that let me just process that first thing that's where the emotional connection comes in because you can have set like you don't i don't feel emotionally vulnerable when i have sex with somebody i don't give a shit about it just like whatever you know i mean it's almost you feel more i think you feel more vulnerable when you actually give a shit about somebody you know wait a second so did you so you lost your virginity because you thought you were gonna die no no no that's actually not why no that's not why where were you um what well how specifically we get here i was on a futon no i uh no where else are you yeah where are you there's other spots no i'm talking about like so there was a hurricane you were in jersey no i wasn't in jersey why would i be in jersey hurricane we're talking what hurricane sandy okay yeah sandy they was named after bruce springs she's out of rockaway asbury park at the rockaway taco no that's where he was people are very sick of hearing about this i just want you to like i don't mind talking about but i think a lot of people are sick of hearing about this but not on my show we've talked i feel like we've talked about it i think like that i talk about two and p and i feel like i've just but it's funny to me it becomes funny it's like i try to then incorporate everything into like let yeah you think i talk about too much look i can corporate the election into my virginity yeah but uh no but i'm sorry they would go on no you go ahead it's like uh a musician playing the greatest hits yeah yeah it's like but but people love the greatest hurricane sandy is my hey jude it's like man a bunch of people pop out it was me it was me it was me it wasn't i'm like no it wasn't you um oh i'm just wondering if if if we're all like if i can get laid using hurricane sand like oh trump is president all the disasters oh well yeah well i we all that matters as we love each other yeah zipp flop suck zipp flop flop all right um i i uh no well with the election thing that's what why i even said about like make uh virginity thing really into the election because the last election you know it was during sandy like basically well a little after you know i mean like that was the last like presidential you know obama got reelected yeah so when this kind of rolled around i remember being like feeling like oh like i feel kind of like oddly nostalgic and then the results of the election made it even worse i'm like holy shit i thought i'd be said for other reasons on the night now i'm like this is but also you get excited during every major disaster every major disaster anyway but apparently when when we get wet so does angela there you go um have you done that joke no there's a reason when you said there you go have you done that you're like there's a terrorist threat it's a red level right no but other people have even joked about that with me and anyway um but uh i think that i do think though with what you were i don't know maybe this is what you're getting to about using trump or that kind of thing i do think that it's made people put into perspective certain things like like uh i mean one of my friends even joked with me like when hillary lost the election because the guy had lost my virginity is a big hillary sport too she was like look like it's going to bring you to back there i mean i i feel like families have probably reconciled over shit you know or like maybe people have started to make it like put things aside it's like look what we're dealing with here you know look what's in charge now let's maybe we can i'm sorry i cut you off last year on the under street you know we're like you know so i was at the javits center the night oh yeah i was there wow yeah yeah with triumph i was in Rockefeller center right in the ice rink where they were doing all the coverage really yeah i took pictures of women yeah at night at the javits center uh there was no way you could walk up to a woman that night and say hey you know let's let's have some great that's because you actually are respectful have you ever had a slump buster land swiss have you ever been a slump buster no could you have sex with a woman and never call her again no not the kind of guy wait but see i don't think that means it's a slump buster i think that's just whatever we had sex and that's it like i don't think i don't know the so slump buster thing implies that it's almost like uh like a uh like it implies a certain meanness of like the one person feels like they're like above that person like maybe physically or whatever and it's like all right i threw him a bone they should be grateful by you know what i mean or like i don't know do you owe somebody if you have sex with somebody what do you owe them besides the 50 no i think it depends on what the relationship was before you had sex in other words i think like if maybe if you guys were like good friends for a while let's say maybe you've known each other while and there's already like a certain sense of respect for each other or whatever then there's probably like you know some sort of like you at least gonna text them the next day or something like that you know versus if it's somebody like a tinder date you just met i think it's kind of expected that like it could go either way you know i mean i don't think there's any obligation if you don't really know each other or like um you know i think it's more about kind of going into it what the relationship was versus you know i mean your generation understands it's much different than my generation cultures are changed but i'm like sappy and romantic too is what i'm saying but if if a guy has sex if you have sex with a man does he have to call you or do you have to call him afterwards but like what's the context i don't think anybody owes any anybody anything in life i think it's about the context we all expect things regardless of sex or anything we all everybody expects things to happen first like but no one owes anybody anything you know if somebody even though like opens a door for you you don't technically be nice if they said thank you but you know they didn't ask to have the door open they didn't you know no one owes anybody anything we all just expect things because we're like why did that for you why don't you do that for me or you know whatever that's why i think it's more about the context of the relationship like if um yeah i think it's about the context of the relationship like if i if i had sex with somebody who like i don't really know that well and it was fun whatever but then like he never texts me he doesn't contact me um i'm not going to be like oh my god because there was there was no real like emotional history or connection to begin with do you know what i'm saying versus somebody that maybe you like then you're like oh okay like so i think it's more about the context of the relationship versus i don't think it's like if you have sex you must do this it's you know that's you know what does that make sense well it's almost like if somebody uh like we're friends right i don't see a lot but i see you and me yeah i see all right let's have sex i'll have sex i'll have sex i'll have sex i'll have sex no but it's like uh granted i did i'm i'm bad at responding to messages in general but like if i saw you you know i've been on here a couple times i see you at a show that i know your last couple years the last few years and if i see you you don't owe me anything but if we're for the party and then you i'm like oh boy and you like and you didn't say hi to me or like or if i emailed you about something you didn't even be back because it's like you know i'd be like a little hurtless i thought i thought we were like you don't owe me anything but i would but i would feel hurt you know what else it is too i think you can also because they're because they'll even like you said i'm not the best at responding to things whatever i think it also depends upon the person because once you know someone well enough you know almost like they're texting habits or their response habits you know if this person responds super quick then you become paranoid if they don't respond right away yeah wait what's this person doing yeah i mean so i versus someone who doesn't text back it like three days but that's just who they are you know see i filter everything through class struggle i apologize i'm 58 i view everything through corporate manipulation okay so you're 58 i'm 50 you look good thank you you're welcome uh i you know i was one of those guys who was ugly in his 20s 30s then in my 50s i like that uglier i get uglier i get so ugly i can't wait to see the 60s hold so here's the thing with me i was with the same woman for pretty much 30 years i never cheated it's like my parents did i never flirted fell in love with somebody in the mid 80s thank you god that's it i'm done here my here's my penis here's my libido you got it i'm the luckiest man in the world and now like i'm a guy in a coma who suddenly woke up 30 years later right and i'm going oh the game is changing that's how my parents now when i was 30 years too and that's how they feel when i was in the game as they say uh it was a different country it was reagan was just ruining it but but now i find you meet a woman and they don't have health insurance or they're broke and you go really i i'm gonna have every you begin to work like you just can't have sex with somebody who doesn't have health insurance or is struggling financially or is i i just don't i and when you say to me you're young people and you say to me you don't know anybody anything and you don't have to call them the next day i can't help but feel that you have been programmed hold on i'm checking my instagram account with with the the the bumble and the the tinder and the grinder that you have been programmed by the corporate elite to treat your sexual partner as some disposable item made in china but see this is where i feel you cannot feel disposable if you don't have an emotional like i felt disposable by people that i really cared about because that like you can't be hurt by somebody you don't really give a shit about in my opinion so to me it's like if some if somebody i slept with once never gets back to me i'm not going to feel disposable because who gives a shit you know i don't you think you're being programmed to treat people as though they're disposed like their iPhones that can be replaced that's not how i grew our cultures like that for sure no question like that when i was no question like that you know even go to appliances like uh if these microphones broke uh you know 50 years ago somebody would fix the parts now like ah fuck this microphone go buy a new one but also see that's where i think it's both good and bad because you know how people in faith they'll always post that meme on facebook of the old couple holding hands and had you stay married for eight years we grew up in a generation where if something broke you fixed it you didn't throw it out it's like um that's dumb i'm sorry if you fall out of love goodbye your divorce like you know that you have to also be realistic about things you can't like there are plenty of people who stay because they're miserable and just like well we're gonna fix this it's like you have to i think it's like there's a gray area so i think on the one hand we've lost a little bit maybe of the like respect or decorum of like courting or whatever the hell it is but also on the other side it's also we've gotten more real about it and less of the the fakery of pretending like let's face it like this people who dated back in the day who like waited to have sex they wanted to have sex on the first date but they didn't think they should or something like that you know what if you're wrong i could be wrong i'm not what if you're wrong yeah what if what if i'm not saying everybody wanted i'm saying that i think there's a gray area that there's been given this sort of disposability element you talked about i think there's both good and bad aspects of that you're right you know there's a narrative that your generation angelic ob yes my general is telling itself but are you telling it to yourself or are you being indoctrinated by the richest one percent by the corporate elite to believe that sex is a physical act that you that you are detached from it and that it's not necessarily love and that way you eventually don't care if 20 million people lose their health insurance i i mean that again see that's why i think it's all a case by case basis because i i feel what happened we're getting the wrap up so go ahead i feel like it's it's not about being like i think you can be in love and have sex with someone and then also like have sex with someone and be detached because you're not in love with you know what i'm saying i think that i think it's the whole world we live in i mean you even look at at grammar grammar is not even corrected on on major news sites because it goes down the feed yeah it's not it's not a two page brilliant article written by i like i've blogged for some like pretty good sites and i'm not an expert and i'm and i'm you know what i mean like a lot of times a blog written by like cnn or like forbs or it's written by like a 21 year old who's who like and it just goes down the feet like the whole world is disposable that's what we're living in yeah you know um i actually think have started to have sex later in life actually on that regard actually helped me a little bit because like i i kind of have my own ideas i feel like to a certain extent about like how i feel about you know like i what like because i didn't have like a conventional experience where it's like you know i had sex at my first boyfriend when i was 16 and then we went to you know so like i i feel like because i grew i grew up feeling so like almost um like alien to a certain extent about a lot of stuff like well these people are like how does this even happen that i really kind of felt like i did it all kind of you know now i'm navigating it myself which i think almost gives me less of the like shit that people feel like men and women you know like we have to do this we have to do that you know i always thought love was being selfless the theme of the show is love in the age of trump and this is an age of selfishness it was an age of selfishness when ronald reagan took off as we became an age of selfishness love is selflessness love is not individualism love is you lose yourself in another person no that's codependency now i'm just well that's a that is that a coping is the term codependency no i i i think that there's a selflessness in love but i also think you have to have a strong sense of self to be in love that was pretty good okay hey alex you're giving me the wrap up sign and i i want to get to something so we get what what are you talking who's here all right let me let me give me i don't feel i feel cheated when i get to hear that this inside showbiz so you can tell i'm i'm hurt when you hear when i make a sound like that i'm sorry it's because i talk too much go ahead no you know i like by the way angela not to embarrass lance we's here i've had a great time you're a genius so are you no i'm not i'm really not but she i don't know a lot of stuff that's sweet of you thank you i'm just out here trying to navigate the world of them on my own i learned a lot by the way i was just you know when you said i'm okay with my mother brag about she'd say angela's a genius so why can't you pay a rent or why can't you get up in the morning how about this how about this maybe i'm the genius angela has something to prove i just probably have undiagnosed autism go ahead go ahead film and i'm sorry uh no it's been diagnosed or listen no no you are uh no so laszlo i could keep going laszlo because i watched the third man maslow's hierarchy needs my ex-wife always used to bring this up whenever i was having my daily panic attack he was a psychologist abraham maslow he wrote a paper 1943 called a theory of human motivation he studied elinor roosevelt frederick douglas albert einstein jane adams who i really don't know that much about jane adams i'm hosé arroyo always used to talk about jane adams and uh he looked at neurotic people emotionally stunted people and then he studied the healthiest one percent of our country and there are steps to that you have to accomplish the triangle yes the hierarchy of needs do you know about this angela i was going to say see that's what i'm a genius but i'm not that smart i know a little bit about it yeah i know a little bit about it i love the way you said that alex can you just cut that as the opening for our show as the sting for our show next stop you would have you should have your own sitcom the way you just said that thank you anyway but please talk about the hierarchy of needs and no i probably don't know as much about it as lands does and love is number three first is physiological needs so in the age of trump how are how are we gonna how are we gonna survive in the age of trump and according to abraham maslow in 1943 first you focus on your physiological needs breathing your breathing water your body shelter maybe next yeah you put on the the oxygen mask first before you take care of your baby sure right yeah that makes sense physiological needs health care first thing i've always said this in america universal health insurance sure so what this is really important folks there's a lot of noise out there number one medicare for all medicare for all medicare for all that is the only thing you should be focused on politically medicare for all that is your physiological need you you're being there it's shocking all right now there's a blitzkrieg focus on medicare for all i know black lives matter they really do i know gay rights matter i know israel and the palestinians that has to be solved medicare for all that's all that matters medicare for all then it's safety needs number two is safety needs so you feel safe and there's different aspects of that too because you can feel emotionally safe and physically safe i think there's layers to that yeah i feel pretty good you feel so i don't only i don't um i don't i feel all right now yeah i don't get them wrapped up in that stuff like i don't care who the president like i don't like trump but i i don't i don't get i don't care if whoever's in there doesn't i don't live my life based off uh that that who's in there maybe that's bad people argue that's bad i just i tap out i think you know what i i will say this i think that and not to sound like some kind of i don't even know but it's funny i think there are people with trump who more not everybody has the same luxury with trump i feel like and i'm saying this like as a as a white woman obviously i get like there's something like trump says about women whatever and i'm like oh my god yeah that's bad but at the same time like i get that like you know i am not in any way shape or form like affected by this is directly as like a black woman a muslim family or you know what i mean so like i think to a certain extent some of us have more of a luxury that's true let's be like let's see what happens and some people are like uh no let's not you know i don't want to see what happens i just don't i don't i don't even i don't care what's i don't i try not to live my life based off what the banks do what the government yeah i kind of just like i'm more like unless like you're in my family like we're dating or like we're really good friends like i'm kind of like i don't like i said earlier almost like unless it's like a real intimacy there i'm not going to really give a shit that much but it's also obviously going to affect me because he's the president well what he's doing is he's making us feel less safe yes that i could say the carnage the human carnage that he talks about in the inauguration he is he is he just isolated us well when you feel when you don't he treats america like an abuse spouse that's basically it so let me tell you what safety is folks i'm gonna get to all these of them we're gonna end the show and it gets a safety love and belonging esteem self-actualization and self-transcendent self-transcendence whatever you pronounce this is meslos hierarchy needs i'm gonna wrap it up alex but i want to get to this if you don't mind okay this is important and this is one of our best shows but i'm being replaced by marty felton he passed away unfortunately okay safety needs number two okay hierarchy means safety is money safety is security safety is money not the police not the military money focus on money focus on the one percent we are the 99 percent occupy wall street we'll go down in history is one of the greatest movements since the populist movement focus on money who's got it who's manipulating you with it who's who's holding money in front of you and depriving you of it after medicare for all focus on money who is getting rich off you and exploiting you unionize pay attention to the minimum wage focus on who is stealing your money that is safety not the police the police are are god bless the police but they work for the richest one percent when you get your home foreclosed on the sheriff kicks you out the sheriff comes the police work for the corporate state i love the police some of them but safety is money number three love and belonging i thought love was higher on the on the i didn't know is that when you are physically after you take care of your physiological needs being wanted and you're feeling okay after number one is physiological number two is safety once you feel safe that's true three is love you know a woman will not love you unless you feel safe around you lance or have money no but see that's where i disagree about the money well there you go that's interesting i think safety this is one of our best shows alex and you're giving me the wrap-up when people say safety and security though i don't think money like when it comes to dating i think i thought i feel emotionally safe with you i can love you i don't think it has anything to do with like you know i could care less who's gonna you could buy me a slice of pizza good sure you know i'm saying so yeah go on after love comes esteem now i don't know about that i would i would think i've been trained that you need self-esteem first what's higher like you want to love is you want to be wanted in the group and like and then esteem is like now i'm the head of the right love and belong yeah love and belonging we need after safety we need to love and belong we need to be part of a community a steam go ahead a steam you've made it to the top of the group because that's where do you go from there i'm one of the group now i'm in charge of the group right belonging facebook gives the illusion that you're belonging to something you you you know i i do love facebook no but i agree that what you said but it's the illusion that you belong to something i i i you know on twitter but mostly facebook i've made friends on facebook and we've shared information but it it keeps lighting up parts of my brain that cannot be satiated by the way podcasting different this is this is a real community people it is it's a it's a different it's different than facebook number four is self-esteem esteem than self-actualization and then self-transcendence uh i don't know how to pronounce transcend transcendence transcendence transcendiation trans yeah well we'll continue this conversation we have to wrap it up because this is i want to thank you i've been honestly depressed and trying to figure out really yeah a lot of people have yeah oh yeah yeah a lot of people have and i keep struggling with because of this stuff or because of winter i don't know yeah i don't i i didn't watch the tv i read about it and then i watch clips on youtube it's really messing up a lot of people but i don't know if it's it is you know it's like i always wonder how psychiatrists treated people during nazi germany like yeah but i gotta wrap it up angela cob yes people follow you on twitter at angela car and you do a monthly show my first time my first time it's about losing your virginity and it's a q ed in the story yes third wednesday of the month it's at nine p.m 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