 I had with me Yoran Brooks, and Yoran is—I mean, Brooke, no s, Brooke. My family—last name is Brooks, with some of my family. And he is a—he's the chairman of Iron Rand Institute, the Iron Rand Institute, co-author of Free Market Revolution, and the book Equal is Unfair, Equal is Unfair. He also hosts—he's the host of the Yoran-Brook Show podcast. Yoran, thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it. Pleasure to be on. Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Hopefully it's going well so far. It's amazing. Good. It's mind-blowing. So, how's yours going so far? Good. Excellent. Excellent. I'm glad to hear that. What is the Iron Rand Institute? So Iron Rand was a famous author. She wrote two books that your listeners might be familiar with, and if they're not, they should definitely read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged. Oh, yeah. And these two seminal books, the—kind of the core of American literature. But in those books, she articulates a philosophy, a philosophy of individualism, a philosophy based on reason, a philosophy based on rational, long-term self-interest, and a philosophy of Americanism. So I consider her the preeminent American philosopher. She completes the work that the Founding Fathers did in terms of the ideas of what it means to be America. And the Iron Rand Institute promote her ideas. She died in 1982, and the Institute was founded in 1985 to continue her work and to continue to promote the ideas she stood for. And is the Institute located in LA, or where is it located? It's actually located in Orange County, just outside of Irvine, in Orange County. So it used to be in Marina del Rey, it moved down in the early 2000s to Orange County. Amazing. I, uh, Orange County, California, right? And so, um, I want to know from you, whose side are you on with the, uh, government shutdown fight that's happening right now, and finding the wall? Where do you stand on that? Well, I say a pox on both houses. I'm not on either side of this issue. I think the whole thing is stupid and ill-advised for both sides. So I think the wall is a silly idea, $5 billion doesn't buy you much of a wall anyway. Uh, I, I don't see the purpose of a wall. It's a, it's a dogmatic propaganda issue. On another hand, why are the Democrats not funding it? What's $5 billion? They want to spend trillions of dollars on lots of other programs. So they can't suddenly become physical conservatives on us and claim that they're concerned about how to spend $5 billion. So I consider both sides wrong on the issue. I don't think there should be a wall. And I think they're much, much more important pressing issues confronting this country than a wall on the Mexican border. You know, whether it's healthcare, whether it's the deficit, whether it's government spending out of control, government regulations out of control, taxes still out of control. Uh, we have moved far away from the original principles of the founding of this country. And instead of focusing on what's important, instead of focusing on the real problems America faces, we're talking about a, a silly wall that if, if people want to come into this country, they'll build tunnels on the leaf and they'll bring ladders and climb over it. Amazing. Are you an American citizen? I am an American citizen. And are you okay with the illegal aliens, which include drug, drug lords and gang members and, uh, these women brain these children here and sucking the life out of the country. And, and they'll move, they're taking jobs away and, uh, healthcare. Are you okay with the illegal aliens just coming into your country like that? No, but I think, I think if you look at the numbers, if you actually look at the numbers, illegal immigration over the last 10 years is down. They are far fewer. They are fewer. One, does you agree? Do you agree that? So it's not a problem. It's not sucking. Let me just answer the question. They're not sucking our country dry. What's sucking our country dry? A politician's in Washington expanding the welfare state, handing out money to everybody, spending money like there's no tomorrow and Republicans and Democrats are both engaged in this. So let me ask, are you okay with the government taking care of these illegal aliens that are coming into the country? I'm not, I'm not okay with the government taking care of anybody. It's not the government. How about the illegal aliens? Are you okay with the government taking care of the illegal aliens? No, I think, I think, I think our legal immigration system needs to be fixed. I don't, I don't think there should be illegal immigrants because I think we need to have a much more open immigration system where anybody who can get a job in the United States, anybody who can find a job and make a living should be allowed in whether it's at the top, whether it's the entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley or whether it's workers in the fields to pick our apples because no American will do it. They should be allowed in work in the United States. But that's not true that no American would do it. But let me, I want to go back. So you're okay. Apples go unpicked in Oregon because there's not enough people to pick the apples. That's not true. It is true. It's not true. It's not the, the pay scale is so low that the American citizen won't do it. But let me go back. Let me go back. So you're okay with open borders so that the illegal aliens can... Not with open borders. I believe that the legal immigration system needs to be reformed so that many more legal... How about the illegal, what should we do to stop the illegals from coming in? Expand the legal system. The reason illegal immigrants come in, it's because if you're a legal immigrant, it's impossible to get into this country. I am a legal immigrant. That's not true. They're coming in because there's lawbreakers. Are you an immigrant? They're law... No, I was born here. I was born here. I'm an immigrant. I'm an immigrant. I went through the process, the legal process, and it is almost impossible to get into this country. I know, but let me go back to something because you was talking out of both sides of your mouth. I want to try to get just straight out of your mouth. And so you said that a wall is stupid around our country borders, right? Was it stupid for Israel to put a wall around their borders? Yeah. I mean, if you compare Israel to the United States, you're delusional. Israel is a country under siege. It is surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who want to kill everybody inside of Israel. They want to invade the country and slaughter every Jew in Israel. But the wall has stopped that. The wall has closed so now. They're trying to enter the United States to kill American people. That's not true. There is no comparison between a country at war, which is what Israel is, in the United States, which has peaceful allies. Hold on a minute. Come down a minute. Hold on a minute. There are people crossing our borders who are terrorists, known terrorists, and they are coming in to kill us. They're coming in to kill us. They're coming in to kill us. We have gang members coming in and killing American citizens. Gang members. Hold on. Gang members. Who is this? What were the keys? What's his name? You're right. Hold on. Are you okay with illegal aliens who are gang members and terrorists crossing our borders? Of course not. A wall, a wall, a wall stopped that. No, it wouldn't. Because it has stopped terrorists in Israel. The wall in Israel has not stopped terrorist attacks, but it has not stopped it. I'm an Israeli. I know Israel really, really well. Are you a liberal or something? It has not stopped it. Whenever the Palestinians want to commit terrorist attacks, they find a way around the wall and they go into Israel and they kill Israelis. Walls do not stop terrorists. Let me ask you this. Is people trying to come to America to find a job? No, they're not trying to find a job. That's not true. Those are the people you want to keep out of the bill? No. They're coming for free stuff. But let me ask. Don't give them free stuff. Let's end the welfare state. I'm all for ending the welfare state for immigrants and for Americans, for everybody. Let's end the welfare state. But that's not reality right now. Significantly. Let me ask you something. Bigger aliens are coming into our country and they are landing in the black communities around the country first and foremost. And they are robbing and killing and raping blacks. They're taking jobs away from black people. They're taking healthcare away from black people. There are many black women who are having babies out of wedlock and when they go to the hospital to have babies, the Mexicans will land up there having babies first. They're running blacks out of their own communities. I want to ask you, hold on a minute, let me ask you first. Does it bother you that ill-leaked aliens are coming in and affecting blacks in a negative way first and foremost? Does that bother you at all? I don't believe what you just said. Does that bother you? I didn't come from blacks. I'm asking you if you believe it or not. I'm asking you, does it bother you? If they commit crimes, it bothers me. If they're eating for jobs, it doesn't bother me. So you're not bothered that the ill-leaked aliens are taking jobs away from black people? Of course not. Oh, you don't care about that. And you say you're Jewish? Unemployment among blacks is the lowest unemployment among blacks has never been lower. No, that's not what I'm asking. That's because of the great white hope. Illegal immigrants are taking the jobs away. The fact is that illegal immigrants are not taking the jobs. I thought you were supposed to love black people. You're Jewish. I love everybody. You don't love the blacks. But I believe in competition. You don't love the blacks. You said you're okay with them taking the jobs away from black people. I believe in competition. I want to go back. Why is it that you don't care that they're taking jobs from black people? Because I believe in competition for jobs. I believe that everybody should compete for a job. White, black, yellow, everybody. If you believe that an illegal alien should break the law, come here and take jobs from black people. If the law should be changed to make it easier for immigrants to come into this country and compete for jobs with Americans, I don't believe anybody should do anything illegally. So make it legal for them to come. Anybody who can get a job in the U.S. should be welcome in the United States. I see you're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You remind me of a liberal female. You're trying to please everybody. The system. Look. We have so many illegal immigrants. You're wrong. You're wrong. It's possible. You're wrong. Get a visa. You're wrong. You're wrong. You're not being honest. I'm being very honest. No, you're not. You are. You're not being honest. Go ahead. So my question would be, the point is that this wall is stopping terrorists in Israel. And so why wouldn't, let me ask the question, why shouldn't it do the same thing in America? Because we'll have the wall, we'll have the border security people working around the wall. We will have airplanes, whatever they use to detect these people. Why wouldn't that deter terrorist attacks in America? Because terrorists don't want to come to America. The terrorists who came to America before 9-11 came in with visas. They didn't come through the Mexican border. There is no evidence that significant terrorists are coming through the Mexican border. And if they are, shoot them. I have no problem. The other issue is if you want to deal with terrorism, if you're serious about dealing with terrorism, you don't build a wall. You go to where they live and you kill them where they live. You destroy their support systems. You don't go to Saudi Arabia and dance with them. You penalize them for the fact that they are funding terrorism all around the world. The wall is not going to prevent terrorism. We already have a legal system for these people to come in. We have that already. If you build, if you, more terrorism. Why would you come to this country? More terrorists come in through Canada than have come in through Mexico. Why not build a wall in Canada? More terrorists come in through Mexico, through Canada than through Mexico. So the whole terrorism is demagoguery. There is no terrorist threat coming in. The building of the wall has nothing to do with terrorism. It never has had anything to do with terrorism. Let me ask you this whole, you're wrong in what you're saying, but let me ask. Why would you come to our country and not carry enough about our country to protect it from invasion of foreign and domestic enemies? Because people are not invading this country. People here are coming. Can you stay where you came from? Because I love this country. No, you don't. Yes, I do. No, you don't. You do not love this country. That's not true. Don't understand what this country is. You don't love this country because if you love this country, you would be willing to put a wall around its borders. You don't love America. America survived for 250 years without walls. So sure. It's been a great country. The greatest country in the history of mankind. Not with the illegal. This has been the freest country in the history of mankind without any walls. This has been the most welcoming country to immigrants. Are you married? Are you married? Absolutely. What were your wife's that do to you if she found out that you were for a wall around the borders? My wife agrees with me about a wall. So I'm not sure what you're talking about. I'm not surprised because you sound like a woman would sound about the wall. Oh, you mean so you're insulting me instead of arguing. No, no, no. I'm just saying it's not normal for me calling me a woman. I mean, that's that's silly. I want to go and find it's not normal for me to see that way. I want to crush the enemies of the United States, but a wall doesn't do any of that. A wall doesn't protect you. A wall doesn't stop terrorists from coming here. A wall wouldn't have stopped 9 11. A wall wouldn't have stopped any of the terrorist attacks that have happened. Let me ask this. Let me ask this because you're talking too much, I want to ask you with facts, not with emotion. I have a test for you. The Bible go to God would like to know, should America remain a majority white country? I don't care. I'm colorblind. I believe in Martin Luther King statement. I believe in a world that is colorblind. I don't care. That's not the question is that's not the question. Where's Martin Luther King junior now? He's dead. Unfortunately. I rest my case. What's the point? I rest my case. He was killed. And so let me ask, should America remain a majority white country? Why don't you care? Because I don't care. Why don't you care? Because I don't think it's relevant to anything if I believe all men are created equal. Your individual rights, the life, liberty, property and the pursuit of not for illegals in our country should do nothing. Let me ask you this fear in my right to live a life and in your right to live a life and the color of the skin should make zero difference. Let me ask if it wasn't for white people, would there be an American? No, but what? What? Thank you. And so why shouldn't it remain? Why shouldn't it remain majority white people? Because if we lose the white people, it's going to become an asshole country just like the countries that those people are coming from. No. I mean, that's pure racism. I am not a racist. There's no such thing as racism. Racist. You know you are racist. How about racist? There's no such thing as racism. America's great is not white people. It made America great are the ideas, the ideas put forward by the founding fathers. Any time you talk about race. And the founder father was white. If you define people based on their race, you are racist. No, that's not true. Yes. If you start defining people based on their race, you become a racist. You are racist. That is the definition of racism. I do not deal with people based on race. I deal with people based on ideas. What the founding fathers did was they created the first moral country. The first country based on moral ideas. You're right. If it's your rights. And that's what's important. Not what skin color they have. Iran. Should Africa, South Africa remain a majority black country? I don't care. South Africa should be whatever country, whatever if immigrants come in and they turn it white. I don't care about people's color of skin. Any, anybody's in any country. I believe that. So let me ask. Israel remains a majority Jewish country. Only as long as anti-Semitism is as big of a problem as it is today. So you want Israel to remain a majority Jewish country. But you know what? America and South Africa to remain a majority white country. That's amazing. As I said, I don't care. No. It's amazing. I mean, everybody keeps going back to Israel. But Israel is, in spite of everything you might say, it's a special case. It's a special case because of the enemies that surround it. If Israel does not remain a majority Jewish state, it will not exist. And so, likewise, if America don't remain a majority white country, America won't exist because of all the- Martin Luther King was just as much an American. Where's Martin Luther King now? A lot of white people. Let me ask you this. Are you okay with the anti-white hatred that you hear and see today? I'm not anti-white. I'm not anti-black. I'm not anti-anything. Are you okay with the anti-white hatred? A few minutes ago, you said, I hated blacks. Now you say, I hate whites. You're wrong. That's not what I asked. You're not okay with the anti-Israel hatred, and I understand that. But why are you okay with the anti-white hatred that you see? I'm okay with anti-white hatred. I'm not okay with that. I'm not okay with hatred because of color of skin of anybody. So if white people don't control America, if they don't remain majority Americans, white Americans, this country will be destroyed. Would you believe- would you agree with me on that? No, I don't agree with you on that. I mean, it is a shape of country. So if Israel doesn't remain a Jewish nation, will Israel be destroyed? Yes. But not America. No, not America. You're a hypocrite. No, there's a big difference between- You are a hypocrite. And you're still in America. You put the ancient- No, you're the racist. You put the ancient hypocrite. You're racist. Think about it. Think about it. Black people cannot make America America. This man does not care about- he cares about Israel, but not America. I live in America. I don't live in Israel. But why don't you care about America then? You don't care about white people. I love America. No, you don't. No, you don't. What do you think America's about? Do you love white people? To have the nature of this country. Do you love white people? Do you have ideas that made this country- Do you love white? You're talking crap. And the focus on race and in tectonicity- Do you love white people? Do you love white people? I don't love anybody based on the color of their skin. Do you love white people? I don't love anybody based on they color- How about white people? Do you love white people? I don't care if you're white, Black or yellow, because I'm a hahake to me. Do you love white people? Don't know what that means. Do you love Jewish people? I don't know what that means You don't know what Jewish people are what that means. I don't love people. I love individuals I love some Jewish people. I love some white people. I love some black people But they hate some white people. I hate some Jewish people Well, you don't love anybody then if you don't love all you love no one I do not love all you know what what you love. No one. I love the particulars love no one You love no one, but let me ask you That's nonsense. You are a beta male, but let me ask, you love the great white hope. What does that even mean? The president, you love Donald Trump. Oh, I hate the president. You hate the president? I do. Why? Well, because I think he's boorish. I think he's anti-capitalist. I think he's anti-American. Why do you think that? Well, because of his actions, I think, you know. What actions have you given? What actions has he given you? Telling them what factories to open and what factories to close? Trying to be a central planner-in-chief. Telling everybody how to behave and what they should do. What actions has he given you to make you believe that or cause you to believe that he's anti-capitalism? Well, because he acts anti-capitalism. How does he act? He brought jobs back. He brought opportunity back. As you mentioned earlier, as you mentioned earlier, more blacks are working. There are more black businesses opening up. Because of the great white hope stopping the ill-legals from coming in. And so what has he done to make it? If the ill-legals are coming in right now, you're seeing it on the border than before he was elected. There are more ill-legals coming in than under Obama. Look at the numbers. He hasn't stopped anybody from coming in. I mean, it's all propaganda that you guys are buying into. This is complete nonsense. Amazing. But Donald Trump tries to micromanage the economy, tries to tell companies where to build. Oh, for Hillary Clinton? No, I didn't vote for either one of them. You didn't vote at all? Didn't vote this time, no. Why are you in our country? You need to go back. No, I'm not leaving. No, you need to leave. You are a problem. Because I'm fighting for America. No, you're not. You're fighting against America. And Donald Trump and not America. You are fighting against America, and you hate white people. Both of that is just silly. And you hate black people because you don't care that the jobs are being taken here. What's that? I hate everybody. Ron, thank you so much for coming on. You're all broke. I appreciate you coming on. Sure. Let your wife know you're a beta. Thank you, man.