 When you started in this program and you saw the unfold, and you saw the tremendous impact, did you ever imagine when you began that program that you would see in your lifetime this impact? First of all, I certainly didn't expect it so fast. We were very lucky in getting that single recess with Gene for shortness. If we hadn't had that to get those semi-advanced varieties, we would have been much longer with this program. When did you bring those genes into the breeding program? Well, right from the very beginning. In our first collection that we made of varieties, we brought those in. So the crosses were made in 1962. The crosses with the sharpen and saw variety were made in 1962, a whole bunch of them. You see, we flubbed around from 45 till 57 before we ever found the dwarf Japanese seeds. We struggled and found nothing until we got the Japanese dwarfing gene. You had that nor in 10 for Japan, and we had the DJO Wujima, but we got the DJO Wujima in the very first crosses we made. We made 29 crosses at right at the beginning, and DJO Gen and Ijotsu were in several of those. We also used Taichung Nake of one variety, which also had DJO Gen as the sharpened gene. So we were lucky that way. But it's true that we didn't know how fast it would be, but after a bit in that three years, I told people back in New York when George Robert bring us back to give our reports, you were there too, and I said, I'll eat my shirt if the Philippines is not self-sufficient and right for them three years. They were. No, it was amazing. Now they've gone back some because there's a population going around. But how about this, I think that the general public doesn't understand very well the complexities of changes in problems. Let's say the changes in the insects and the viruses that they vector spread. How about this? How many of these kinds of problems did you have to confront? Well, this is the whole series of them. The Rice-Tumbro virus, for example, we found that various forms of that. And then the bacterial blight disease. We found that the bacteria were changing as we got varieties that were resistant. Well, then all of a sudden they wouldn't be resistant anymore. That's because of the organism had changed, not the variety. And so we had a continuous process. Even if you had a resting week, you had to keep going all the time. And one other thing that I think you're both in your rice program, not a week program, it's an international week program, it's an international testing so that you could get the reaction of the diseases or of the whole collection of breeding materials and varieties. Everywhere in the areas where rice was grown or wheat was grown was like developing, printing a new book for the young scientists that were going to use that. We had the international rice testing program around the world and all the countries that were rice was in fallen crop. We had this nursery that we put out. And we had their own varieties in with stuff that we introduced and just to compare them and see whether we could improve what they already had or if we found time, if we found some of their germ plants or if they were useful to us. Well, you were, we brought some stuff from Africa. It's not a major rice producing area, but it's important because they import rice and put a lot of foreign seeds to bring the rice in. And there were certain areas where rice was domesticated in West Africa, not a big area like East Asia, but it was different kinds of rice. I don't know if that contributed any useful genes to what you were using or not. There's another, the Orizis of Tiber is common, yes, common, but there are about 22 different species, the genus Orizis. And there's one over in Africa that they did commercialize. Yes, I always remember when we had a Japanese scientist who was on special assignment with us. We asked him how he liked this other rice. He said, oh, I ate it, I felt delicious.