 Good morning everybody, I hope you can hear me. Hello, my name is Kilian Clifford and I am the moderator for today's session. Now, I'm just going to try and share my screen here with you. So welcome everybody to the Aspera Summit here in Dublin or virtually as we are all joining it. My name is Kilian Clifford and I am the host for today's session. Now, we have today, so I'm just going to stop sharing my screen because it's not working with. We have today a session on the Aspera Philanthropy called Time, Talent and Treasure. So the Philanthropy is often defined as private contributions for public good. And we see it most obviously with large entities such as, say, Bill and Linda Gates Foundation or the Open Society Foundation, but Philanthropy is more than just the provision of financial resources. It's about the three T's of time, talent and treasure. And here diaspora have a rich history in philanthropy whether it might be through mentoring, which is time, skills transfer, which is talent or indeed financial support, which is treasure. And through philanthropy, diaspora has become important actors in sustainable development, whether it might be at home or abroad. So today's session will examine this role more closely and explore some of the key trends and models for success. And from these learnings, action will take place for key stakeholders in the area of diaspora philanthropy will be provided and the output from this session will feed into the output document for the summit, which is known as the future agenda document. And to facilitate that, we have an action-packed agenda. In a moment, I'll be handing over to the session host, Kingsley Aitken of the Networking Institute. Then we'll have a TED Talk video from Almaz Negash of the African Diaspora Network. And we'll also hear from Jean Sanjeev Jossi Pura of Indiaspora, followed by an interactive session. Then we'll have a video with TED Talk presentation. I remind you that the session is being recorded. I ask all the participants to hold the microphone off, watch the regulations, and I remind you that we have a synchronous translation. In the lower part of the screen, it's enough for you to watch the video. And then we'll have a video with TED Talk presentation. I remind you that the session is being recorded. And then we'll have a synchronous translation. In the lower part of the screen, it's enough for you to click on the button with the globe and select the desired channel. We have six official languages. In addition to that, there is a chat where you can also communicate and write something, report comments and notes in written form. And at the end of the session, it's time for interactive questions and answers. You can directly broadcast your questions with some comment. For this, you need to use the appropriate function to raise your hand. And now I'm going to give a word to my colleague, Kingsley, the representative of the Institute on the issue of interaction. Good morning, dear colleagues. Thank you to the government of Iceland for organizing the event. It's a very important event. I'll tell you a little about my experience. I've been doing interaction with organizations for 17 years. In the U.S. I work all over the world. This is the first event in its kind. It takes place in New York and the success of the previous work has strengthened and laid the foundation for today's event. We were able to earn and collect a lot of money, $7 million, and that's all thanks to the victims of the diaspora. So, today's session is about philanthropy, diaspora, time, talent and wealth, resources. I really like the comparison with the tree, the tree that takes over all the people in the shadow. This is where the third sector works and the government, the commercial organization and the commercial private sector. Initially, the root of the diaspora and the work of the diaspora goes directly into creativity. Right now, we're talking about the principle of intergenerational transfer of experience. I have to figure out a small number of people with a certain amount of money and I would like these funds to be aimed at the common goal of the diaspora. Only in the United States, $30 trillion will be transferred for the diaspora for the next 30 years, going through this intergenerational process, the transfer of the wealth and the question of how these funds will be distributed. First of all, these funds will be transferred to the children, to the descendants. Also, these funds can be part of the regional structure through the tax system and the third direction is philanthropy. You can often hear that the funds are being transferred to success at the first stage and then a person thinks about the descendants, about what he will leave behind. So, we're thinking about the descendants and the diaspora. There is a very big resemblance. There are already structures that facilitate the transfer of the wealth, the transfer of the wealth. At the beginning of the 20th century in the United States, this philanthropic movement began and then gradually spread all over the world. Now, in 70 countries, organizations have already been developed. We are also talking about donor funds. In the last year, in the United States the tax law was adopted, which gave a clear definition of charity and was organized by the Bank Fidelity Bank, which manages the funds of those who invest in philanthropy and various projects of charity character. Thus, these donors can receive the tax year and now more than millions of funds and 37 billion dollars have already been allocated by the Bank Fidelity Bank organization. 200 trillion dollars have also been directed from the United States to international projects. So, this sector of philanthropy has become an important part of the diaspora's work, the diaspora's activity around the world. This is a stream of knowledge, people and financial means. I have been working in this area for many years and I have developed a number of important lessons, important conclusions. First of all, money is our treasure and you can only get money and that is, unfortunately, the truth of life. People, as a rule, make donations to those who do not trust, who like, for example, Carnegie Foundation, a wonderful example. And this all means that with this process a certain path of philanthropy is not to say that a person has to be extremely free in philanthropy requires money to be asked. And just so the funds come to me, you need to be active in order to raise these funds and get them. There is a certain model, a model that can help those who are now developing relationships with the diaspora. In the United States, universities, institutes have developed such a model. The first direction is getting money from a large number of people and getting money and fundraising on the basis of a small pool of donors. We run a special campaign for collecting money that is aimed at specific goals or projects. And such work follows a clear process that is well defined that can be divided into four stages. First of all, research. Research that allows you to answer questions where the diaspora comes from, what they are doing, how to get in touch with them. We have already talked about the importance of data, information, statistics. Research is a very important project. Not what the diaspora can do but what the diaspora can really do. For example, the diaspora can be a great opportunity to help with some project, but at the same time there is no desire or initiative. The second phase is, you can say, putting in a relationship in building trust, that is, you told about yourself. It requires time, energy, it requires feelings, contact personal relationships. Then the third stage. The third stage is the same stage when you ask for money and this is one of the most important tools of the market, that is, how you ask for help. Even when a person knows that these funds can go for some wonderful project, you still need to ask for it effectively. And the fourth stage is a quality and effective management. It is very important that your donors understand what these funds are going for. So that you can demonstrate the results and read for each spent value and your donors understand what these funds are going for. Many processes were stopped because of the financial support, so to speak, stopped due to the loss of trust. When we develop and research, we prepare well-based research of projects. A few years ago, the director of one of the Russian universities had a conversation with someone he sat with at some event. The neighbor was a successful businessman, representative of the Dutch diaspora who, thanks to this first contact, made a significant sacrifice at the university to make more than a billion dollars of this person in support of this famous famous person Warren Buffett and Bill Gates know him very well, call him a hero. So this representative of the diaspora really made an incredible contribution. He actually studied Andrew Carnegie. He believed in principles and often loved to repeat that stress dies in shame. And that's why Chuck Finney decided to just give all his money. And now he went out to retire and lives in San Francisco, lives in the apartment he rents. And now it's practically such a flagman for the movement of the diaspora. Well, that's my regulation. My time is running out. I'm giving you the word again, Kylian. Thank you very much. A very interesting story. I didn't know that Chuck Finney did this. You correctly noted very important moments associated with the construction with representatives of the diaspora, principles, philanthropic work. And you correctly noted that you can't relate to the utopia as to the very understanding and perhaps we just about what you just briefly told we will process it as part of the summit. Well, now we have planned a performance in the format of the TED Talk. This is the respect of my colleague Almas Nagash, who represents the diaspora. And now I will ask the technical service to launch a video so that we can listen to the performance of Almas. Hello. My name is Almas Nagash. I represent the network of the African diaspora. I am in California and with pleasure, I welcome all the delegates of this event. Regardless of how you communicate with each other, or virtually, it is wonderful that you use this opportunity to establish contacts and learn from each other. I am very pleased. I want to thank for the invitation. I want to thank Kinsley. I want to thank Telyna. You are a wonderful colleague. I thank you for your joint work, for your support. I was asked to tell about this in 10 minutes. So, our organization, as well as many beginnings in this life, started with ideas. We thought about how to support the community around the world. How to build bridges with African countries. How to establish this network of communication and contacts within our community. And we managed to get acquainted with wonderful social entrepreneurs. I myself grew up in Osmali. I was born there. In 1994, it turned out to be in the Netherlands. I left the country for obvious reasons. I finished school in the Netherlands. And in the next 5 years I was trying to adapt to a new life. I studied language, I studied, and then I became I had a chance to come to the USA to work with the diaspora. And then I moved to the USA and I started a new life. It is a wonderful country. For immigrants. And I also tried to cope with my tasks. It was not easy at first to solve problems. But thanks to the help and thanks to the help of others I was able to stand on my feet and be able to help my family. And of course it is very important that there was a chance to help others so that people could stand on their feet. And we in our community help the diaspora. It is the real community in which we live. And if I could not cope with problems here I would not be able to help my family I would not be able to help the people who stayed in my homeland. So in the year 2000 we began to work within the African network of diasporas. And in the year 2016 we received funding from the State Department of the United States and we began to realize our first program and our ideas. We worked on the support of volunteers and volunteers. We wanted to solve the problems that we set and we wanted to show that the Africans can work together. Our first program which was called DnK in 2016 we successfully released it in the seventh program and now it is being released and we launched three other programs without funding. First of all, we had to determine the needs of the entrepreneurs in Africa which is very important to be able to work on the volunteers to be able to work on the experience of others. We solved the questions about the support and the representation of various advice. We also have other projects of Africa in the future and we will publish these new programs soon. And the winner of the one who helped us the most we published in the year 22 and we asked ourselves a question if we have programs like this to help Africans and we of course, if we can we will provide support to Africans in the United States if we have funding and we will provide support for the interaction with those who can help Africans in the United States to get out of Africa or with entrepreneurs to help us to stand on our feet many came to the United States recently to some descendants who were here 400 years ago so I think we will take responsibility to help those who need help and we want to help Africans in Africa but we want to build bridges between diasporas between Africa and what we have been doing we have a number of other initiatives that we have implemented during the year forum on questions of innovation we have organized many events in California also in Washington, New York and we will continue to work although of course due to the COVID some of the tasks we were not able to fill our time and we are very happy that we can still work to fulfill the tasks it is very important to interact with diasporas you need to understand and and thanks to the global diaspora we all understand that diaspora was an active diaspora from Asian countries from Latin America another diaspora it is necessary to have attention time and financial means to support our culture to support the exits from our countries so if we did not help diasporas we would not be able to solve those serious problems that are standing in front of us very often many people think that they come from Africa to other countries no most of the migration it comes to Africa itself Africans come from one side to another and migration may have different reasons political reasons, other reasons and other reasons you have to now help our countries now help our countries help those who are left in our countries and the question we ask ourselves what would be if we could not rely on help, on diaspora 55 billion dollars these are the financial means that have different diasporas in the United States to help our countries I want to invest to create smart investments to have the opportunity to help our society help those who want to return to Africa this idea the question we can discuss in our societies think about how to improve the world make it better we need to invest in our countries where our relatives our families I can invest money I can do something to help I recently took part in a event where there were participants from the United States and from Europe asking for help from Africa Friday we will have a speech and we will discuss questions about African diaspora what it can do with the African diaspora it became powerful thanks to the cooperation with partners and partners will help us and I am very grateful to all those who believe in what we do in our opportunities and thanks to everyone who cooperates with me thanks to Martin Russell thank you very much we will continue our path of course we will not see the end goal but we will move forward step by step for the benefit of all members of the diaspora in order to help each other because we are all one family we are all people here we mentioned this term as an inclusion and I would like to add that it is important to feel yourself a member of the society when you feel yourself a member of the society you are a king you can create a lot of things I thank you all for your support and wish you all the best have a great day thank you this inspiring story of the diaspora a lot of things were made in various events in order to be able to finance entrepreneurs from Africa in order for those countries to be able to spread their knowledge skills in countries of origin so we are a little from our schedule now I will give a word to Sanjeev Josh Pura please he will tell us his story thank you Kylian thank you Mom thank you Kinsley for inviting me to this wonderful event my name is Sanjeev Josh Pura I am the executive director of our diaspora and I am not far from Washington first of all I would like to say a few words about the Indian diaspora who we are and what we are doing because it will be very useful to discuss the issues of functioning of the diaspora our organization was founded by a successful investor entrepreneur in San Francisco MR Ndeswam and our goal is to inspire the Indian diaspora to help it our organization this organization is a member we invite leaders of diaspora to become members of our organization from different countries representatives of different professions different specialists and three areas that we pay more attention to that is three main components first of all we do not deal with politics we develop the connection of the civil society the following philanthropy social influence the influence of our society and there is also a topic that is for all of us for all of us first of all our members are those who get good education very often maybe you can imagine we use their knowledge we rely on their knowledge on their help we think of a new generation of diasporas because the next generation of diasporas those who left India maybe they will no longer have such strong connections with their country it is necessary to think about them to think about this little generation and secondly the next topic that is important for all of us we have a Global Connect program and as part of this we try to make our work really global we act not just actively in the USA where we were created but we actively work in India where we also have our office and we want to be leaders among the Indian diasporas and those who may not be Indians themselves but are connected with India we also actively work in the United Arab Emirates like Singapore, Great Britain also now the first steps are made in Australia we will also take the attention of the Caribbean and Africa because in the Indian diaspora we are talking about 32 million our citizens who are now in different countries and I will return to the three main topics that I mentioned so, entrepreneurship innovation we want to act entrepreneurship it was not just the opportunity to create personal wealth it is also good but we think that this is the means to solve problems in society many of the various examples of social tasks that were solved in the framework of entrepreneurship and we are not talking about politics in accordance with American tax law we are an organization that does not have political paint but we want to members of our organization about the Indians to hear their voices we want to act with different organizations with communities for example from South East Asia with Jewish diaspora with other communities we want to discuss the most important questions that we are interested in in philanthropy and what I will mention with our work about philanthropy I will give a few examples talking about philanthropy and you will see how everything is connected our activities in philanthropy and two views on these issues many of our members have very close connections with India they would like to help in their country and it is very important we all hope with catalysts platform to help the most effective but on the other hand it is necessary to help communities where you live because even if you were born in India and grew up in India you have strong relations with the country so it is necessary not to forget about the country where you live be it USA, Britain or other countries the country that you resided in or the country in which you lived 10, 20, 30, 40 years and where you achieved a certain success you built a career or maybe even earned some capital here in this country you are doing your own contribution to the common good it is very important to promote this position in the middle of the diaspora this is the position we deal with in the relationship of philanthropy you live a small example unfortunately in the interests of the government I will be forced to get used to it but in any case I am ready to provide additional information within the framework of informal conversations back to India we are a platform, an organization that helps a particular person who is ready to spend 10-20 dollars we work with all other donors so we give the opportunity to these people to send these funds to India we are an organization which is an organization of working in the field of philanthropy in India in 2017 we got this status and in this way we became independent organizations and we grew up to this scale which allowed us to do independent activities so the organization of the IPA which grew up from this movement unites philanthropic organizations in India but is located in the USA and the directors of these organizations all of these organizations are members of this philanthropic organization in the interests of India IPA and already we regularly hold meetings among the directors of these organizations we discuss current issues related to philanthropy in India in what way these organizations can interact with each other and in what way and in what specific place there is a connection in the chain we also work on how to organize effective funds and how to do so so that these funds do not overlap with each other and thus do not interfere with each other that is, the coordination function and, of course, we expand on the partnership this, in the first place, seems quite obvious but I assure you that dozens of large charitable organizations which are located in the USA but work with India very often miss from the view of the most elementary aspects not for all organizations they are obvious and all this has just been revealed in the 17th year when we conducted the first such collective event with all the directors and so the problems, mistakes have been solved and we are now trying to do the work this is just one example an example of an IPA this is such an organization the second example this is a program in India let's go forward, come on and we we give this expression meaning let's do good we work with the chosen circle of organizations in India which we know very well within this program I am glad to say that in the period of the pandemic in the last two years this program called to collect 5 million dollars not only that is 3.5 billion for India and a certain percentage was also spent in the USA for the needs of the Indian community in the period of the pandemic so we collected money for various donors and provided classes and completely ordinary people another example one of the initiatives please excuse me I will return a little bit and emphasize that we have clear connections with the community with the diaspora with the youth who we work with I already emphasize we work with the public with honest people who are ready to transfer just a few dollars that is we have these connections and in addition to this we also have the direction of political and social work we also work with other organizations in countries technology helps us this is actually a revolution but very large population are left behind the side of the technological revolution and we are striving to increase to improve their skills or teach them something to give them a chance to find a job to make a career for example certain geographical regions of the country need this kind of work some of the community also needs this kind of approach and now we have started a large company for training and perfecting skills together with large companies so to give a chance to overcome a breakthrough in technological skills unfortunately my time is gone Kylian please Kylian, I'm done thank you very much Sanjeev very interesting very curious story about work and it goes back to what Kinsley said at the beginning in cooperation with the youth also I remember some important moments that Almas noted in Philanthropy not only to do good in countries of living but also in countries of origin so all these performances are interconnected the next part of the session is interactive discussion answers replications please don't be shy ask a direct question if you want to take a word click on the word and I will give you this opportunity and now I will show questions that will guide our discussion these main questions are in the description of the session I will now deal with technologies I can still show these questions on the screen I will read if someone can't see so the first question is what can be recommended at the level of political development in order to act as much as possible and use diaspora resources and Philanthropy diaspora the second question is the development of the program for effective cooperation with Philanthropy diaspora and the third what are the main participants with whom you can interact with administrative structures or representatives of diaspora to conduct this important work so colleagues we will now find out what are the main principles of cooperation with diaspora Philanthropy tell us how would you answer any of these questions Kingsley did you connect with us sorry Kylen thank you very good questions sorry Kingsley did you hear me now how much did you hear me now the quality of the sound has been heard great question Kylen really what is the role of the government if we talk about Philanthropy the role of diaspora as I have already noticed at the beginning of Philanthropy this is a private initiative it is a common benefit and perhaps to answer the question we can ask the next diaspora and its Philanthropy activity this is rather a coordination function here the government can support us structures can help us for example, organize some training courses or training there are a lot of private organizations that conduct Philanthropy and not only to to direct to do some projects but also to finance their own charity activity therefore the role of government structures there are large governments or large countries can have a whole program for support of diaspora and it would be wonderful but it of course depends on this opportunity I emphasize that most of all the government should have a role that coordinates a role aimed at support rather than performing the project from A to B thank you in Ireland the role of diaspora the history of diaspora this is an example of success and I would like to listen to your point of view but in other countries what are you doing you know, we really observe direct investments from diaspora countries DDR diaspora very often not personally but often those who, for example can show some support for example coordinates or to go to the source for donations that is, to use great contacts to do something not necessarily with your own funds and this is important it's useful and it can become a catalyst some information element some contact which can actually turn everything and give the right impulse that is, I have already talked about it, it is very important who these representatives of diaspora are how to give them how to establish contacts how to convince them that is, all this requires time but it is exactly this success thank you very much, Kingsley yes, really this is what what needs to be remembered Sanjeev, and now the question to you did you interact, worked in this region so that you could recommend what can be done at the level of politics, for example in order to contribute active diaspora activity in the field of philanthropy thank you, and I will pick up Kingsley he very correctly noticed Kingsley said that what the government should do with the structure is to take the role of who does everything who is an executive of the new project this structure should be the coordinator's role and the freedom of action should be the diaspora I agree with this but I think we can go on we can do the next there are examples there are countries there are specific where the government or the state structure for some reasons I will not delve there are cultural contexts and some features there is a certain feature but countries do not give diaspora or on the contrary, they push the diaspora from the leading role and here the main factor is trust trust and again Kingsley said at the beginning he said the importance of trust and I want to emphasize as soon as between philanthropists and the state structure there is trust or with the state structure where the good will and the diaspora all moves to the dead end here in the USA another example in philanthropy it is easier to do such work it is easier I know for example in the UK, Canada in the Arab Emirates but I know there are countries where to do such work it is very difficult it is very difficult to do philanthropism it is very difficult to even do some coordination work I am afraid that it depends on the situation in different countries and here is the influence on such a story on such a situation this is an important element of our work now I would like to give the opportunity to our audience to make some message good morning dear colleagues I greet the audience and delegates one more important question about the program what could be recommended to strengthen the position of diaspora in the field of philanthropy can you once again ask a question about the fact that the role of the structure should be secondary rather as a coordinator then how to act there should be several interested people involved in the process how would you develop this idea thank you very much you are absolutely right this question I think that in terms of the program level of structural work here I can give two answers I will take India for example all more often for the last probably 5-6 years I observe the following India at the level of the state of structure has become more developed the work and activities of philanthropic organizations in India becomes more and more effective and the state of structure does not reach the level of these organizations and here it is very important to determine common priorities sometimes these priorities may differ between state structures countries may differ difficult landscape different territorial divisions have their own features and therefore the list of priorities should be created at the level of the central government at the highest level or at the level of the states or territorial divisions it is very important to have a common list of priorities it is made collectively in partnership with charitable organizations this is about the role of state structure now I will look at this situation from the point of view of organizations that actually realize charitable projects from the point of view of philanthropic organizations in my case these are the members of this organization that I talked about these organizations are very important to provide the following that these organizations this group of organizations were prepared a single position states, provinces, within one country that is, they should look at the need to determine the approach and to determine at what stage who can connect the organization that provides fun provides school lunch there is an organization that builds schools schools, for example, for children who live in poor areas they equip these schools and provide a scientific process how wonderful would it be when the federal central government could determine for example to determine one of the priorities how to correct or correct the children and then at the next stage these organizations connected to the process and said we take this part of the work and you take this let's border all together states or the federal government to solve the problem and correct the hunger or lack of food as you can see in this case, although I should note and the organization itself should be well prepared all the processes should be laid out Kinsley, would you like to say something yes, I would like to fill the speech of Sanjeev when I talked to him he often said I'm ready to allocate 100 million 10 million but I want all of these 100 million and the government to allocate 100 million and there was a lot and this is actually a common scheme when, for example, in Mexico when someone makes some sacrifice the government or the same amount or some percentage also allocates and a lot of a lot of people use this principle very often we use the metaphor of flowering and, so to speak, on each flower we put another flower but all this I'm leading to what what is the success of we need a clear goal we need a specific business that is, it is very good what we are doing but we need a clear goal or within the framework of work the second is your composition who is specifically ready to connect with the project and the third is leadership leadership, coordination on a high level Sanjeev said very correctly that in the beginning there was an idea and this is absolutely right for us and for the Irland funds and Tony O'Reilly, for example who was the director of Heinz and Don Rooney who is also the representative of the diaspora they all started with ideas but leadership leading role is very important and, of course, the structure it is important it is necessary because it all is involved in the common interaction I want to refer to the parents to families the parents of those children who are connected to the diaspora they are happy when their children actively participate in charity and diaspora activities in the diaspora this is such a question when we look in time with each new generation contacts and connections they weaken maybe I have good connections now but my children will be connected to half of such stronger they will be worse how can you act here what can you do to support these relationships on the next level the relationships that are in the diaspora their parents, for example what can you do here do you want me to answer first and I will probably answer quickly this is a very interesting question because I as for Erlantsev I saw that it was often the second or third generation their parents and grandmothers came to the USA and I saw that they are not always weakening the connection it does not mean that they are weakening automatically during the second or third generation now, thanks to technology thanks to communication you know now you can communicate with each other he lives in California he is Californian but now you can easily support the relationship with each other it is important not to forget about it and I do not think that there is an Indian diaspora hundreds of such diasporas exist it is very important to understand this because Indians they come from different provinces different interests different stories and it is very important so that they can learn about their diaspora their goals and wishes there is no single approach for example talking about basques I worked with them and I remember in Copenhagen I think that Sanjeev knows that this is a unique source I agree you said that India is from different states in each state there may be different languages different stories you can say it is really different countries the fact that India is a single state is really a historical miracle there are differences between Indians depending on where Indians are depending on where they live diaspora different needs but about the question about the next generation next generation I think that with time at least I found it in my experience when I compared various diasporas in the USA when I looked at the diasporas of the Chinese or Jewish diaspora I saw that with time the relations with the countries are changing the relations are not the same as in the parents and grandfathers and for example the Israeli diaspora in the USA supports this relationship but not as with the parents the same as the Indian diaspora there is a tendency to weaken the relationship it is important to note two things the first is even if you are talking about the fourth generation there are still relations because even if the fourth and fifth generation are Indians in San Francisco or in Washington they will still know history will be interested in their country so thanks to this they can be more productive work and know what is happening in their country it is very important to have good contacts good interaction with young people with the diaspora we need to know what will weaken the relationship but we need to focus on another topic we need to think about soft power of India we need to think about what can be done for the Chinese diaspora in the country where you live it is very important to feel the philanthropy in India, Singapore in Ireland where you live Sanjeev I want to say that there is a difference between the state and the state because the state is one nation for example we are in Ireland we say that we are a united nation but we were very weak in 2014 but there is a soft power of Ireland and Ireland it was very important to notice that I wrote comments so the government can look at how to attract the help of the company with the principle of accountability not to take their money but to give them the opportunity to participate maybe you want to add something so what can the government do what role can the government play to develop the philanthropy there was a lot of interesting story about Sanjeev I think that philanthropy is a very important thing to support people with their countries but at different levels you can interact with the country you can pay medical care for who was exposed you can develop cultural connections and thanks to this you can develop relations in different ways it is very important to understand who is interested and I think cementing the power of all this is the feeling that you belong to one community Sanjeev said inclusion belonging is very important it is very important to pay attention to this concept to this understanding many people read the newspaper get information from different sources and how I do it you need to understand what is the difference between the state and the nation what do you think Sanjeev I can say in my opinion that I saw that donors philanthropists they helped with their countries but then they were interested in other topics in interaction with education technology it is necessary to find who is interested to develop relations I see what is happening I would like to add what I saw and what sometimes everything happened on the contrary of course the diaspora is important but I think philanthropic organizations should clearly understand what is happening in the financial world in the business world what I sometimes faced at least in the Indian diaspora this is what at the beginning of the revolution started thanks to various commercial events the creation of a joint capital or a joint enterprise such interaction was at the first stage and then I was already interested in the problems of the region where they invested other topics we started to draw we didn't have much time we needed to have other opportunities the participant from Algeria would like to ask a question I would like to make a short comment I agree with what the previous speakers said to play a role to develop philanthropy the government should create platforms to interact in Nigeria we had a summit for looking at the financial opportunities for investments we invite different specialists to ask questions I think they can create in other areas to give a push to philanthropy I thank you I see the fall from Zambia I would like to speak I thank you I thank Sanjeev Kinsley for your ideas I would like to say a few words I would like to thank Diaspora for all the information we have I think when the government and local organizations interact with Diaspora it is very important to develop Diaspora because Diaspora is not an agency it needs contacts because it is important to feel like a community it is important to feel the belonging to the country of origin so it is very important to act not only with the country of origin and the government should act not only with some requests to ask questions but to think how to develop a long-term perspective so that Diaspora becomes a real partner for development and we see there are different agencies because Diaspora is on a global level and killing you touched on the topic of the increase of new generations and I have for example I have relatives who live in different countries abroad and I see that now in Kosovo and I see that in different ways we act with our countries for example it is very important to have strategies for Diaspora with new generations because otherwise there will be thank you for your attention thank you for the you created this platform yes, of course Diaspora has different stories different practices and I also see Timur briefly and very briefly to speak Timur, please Timur turn off the microphone never mind, okay okay, okay dear participants the time is pressing and the time is running out there was a very interesting session and so we have to finish I want to say that we discussed the topic of philanthropy of Diaspora also not to miss the role of the government that can act to develop relationships to be a partner in the development of different organizations of Diaspora in the action of philanthropy of Diaspora and we heard the talk of Sanji and we have to not forget about the country in which you live we need to help the country in the development of philanthropy should be directed only there but also to be active in your countries where you live and we need to think about what will be a long-term perspective I want to thank Kinsley and for this two minutes I did not expect this I wanted to say that it was very interesting to hear from Sanji and others we need to understand that we are not talking about something that here in advance everything is clear Finland, Peru it does not mean that it will help other countries we need to use the perfect approach we need to think about if something works well in my country for example Israel more and more young people are coming back in Israel they are doing many different programs in different countries hundreds of thousands of people were called and not many events were held in Scotland it was the first experience and we just copied within our policy where everything is bad we take weapons so I certainly enjoyed the discussions thank you Sanji we really have something to learn I urge everyone to share useful experience recently I prepared a special document where I was systematizing with all the people thank you thank you Sanjiv thank you Kingsley my colleagues the results of our discussions will be reflected in the final document and will be systematized in the report I thank you all for your attention and thank you very much thank you all good bye