 Never try to adjust Google through your operating system settings. Always do it in the hangout if that helps any. No, that's not the issue. Give me one second to restart this and everything should be okay. All right. Good. All right. We'll just get back to fighting. Yeah. Roger. Roger, what is your opinion on the office? Either the UK or the United States? I don't like either one. Oh, come on. I don't like it's all. I mean, Roger. I just find it kind of obnoxious with the awkward pauses. There we go. Now we're safe, Patrick. Google was telling me he was having trouble connecting to the application on my system. And then I finally realized my laptop was using hot spot mode on my phone and in this corner of my house. Oh, well, there you go. All right. Well, it's fine. We've just learned that everyone hates me because I don't follow their shows. What about Breaking Bad? We love you, Roger. I hope you don't think we hate you. I saw an episode of Breaking Bad once. It was very exciting. I was making fun of Roger because it's very mainstream to be mad about stuff these days. And how's that mainstream? That's literally how I've been since I popped out of my book. You don't understand. This is like the curve, like you said, Roger. When Sarah and I, like Sarah started like growing when she started raising chickens and then six months later, chicken farming was on the cover of like three magazines. Patrick's wife, Sarah, not Sarah. Yeah, I don't raise chickens. Different Sarah. I'm envisioning you now, like, you know, with a really, really awesome pair of gloves. A lot of people were just very excited. No, I could feel it. Or I always want to say 25% of the world is named Sarah, just so you know. It's not me. But like literally like there was things we were doing and then six months later, they were showing up in the front of magazines. And Sarah's like, this is really freaking me out because I'm the least hit person on the planet. And I'm like, you did it. You hit 40 and you're ahead of the curve. So Roger, you're ahead of the curve. Exactly, exactly. I'm still ahead of the curve. I literally. We're actually behind the curve today. Oh, yes, sorry. We got to get started. Thank you, Patrick, for joining us. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm late. I hope that your children's hair looks awesome. One child is shorn. Good child still looks like an extra from. What's that movie with Mel Gibson in the cars? Later on, Tom Hardy. Yeah, he looks like an extra. Trust me, it looks like an extra from a Mad Max movie. All right. Well, we'll discuss that more in a moment, but let's get going with the Daily Tech News Show. Here we go in three, two. Mark Ellison has supported independent tech news directly for about a day. Be like Mark, become a DTNS member right now. At patreon.com slash DTNS. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, April 12, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. I'm back with a new workflow. I'm Len Peralta. And I'm Roger Chang, the show's producer, and possibly the unpopular kid of this. I think he's the most popular of all of us. But joining us also is Patrick Norton, host of Tech Thing and AVXL. Patrick, thanks for coming back to the show. Thanks for having me back to the show. We are going to talk to Patrick about some high-quality audio streaming and some high-quality audio headphones to listen to that high-quality audio streaming on. But let's start with a few tech things you should know. GoFundMe announced the launch of GoFundMe.org, a 501C3 public charity that allows for tax-deductible donations for individuals or certified charities that have been verified by their trust and safety teams. TechCrunch knows that this is effectively a rebrand of the Direct Impact Fund, which has worked with GoFundMe since 2017. The launch also includes GoFundMe.org causes, which takes donations for general causes like animal rescue, K-12 classrooms or mental health and distributes the funds to many charities working in the space. Gmail has become the first major email provider to integrate the MTA STS and TLS reporting security standards designed to thwart man-in-the-middle attacks. MTA STS can ensure that any mail received has gone through an encrypted channel and TLS reporting lets servers find out whether a message was successfully or failed to be sent out. A Chinese Taiwanese group consisting of Taiwanese flat screen maker TPK holding and Chinese investment firm Harvest Group will funnel 80 billion yen into Japan display by buying shares and bonds in what's essentially a bailout plan. The deal will make them Japan displays biggest shareholders of 49.8% stake, which replaces its previous Japanese government-backed INCJ fund. All right, let's talk about Disney launching its Disney Plus streaming service in the United States November 12th for $6.99 a month. That's less than half HBO now. It's almost half Netflix. You can also pay for a year at a time, $69. The service supports 4K and HDR content for sure is ready to stream to Roku and PS4. And they say by the time they launch, they'll have desktop browser support, most other TV and mobile platforms, all the streaming boxes and everything. Content will be available for unlimited offline viewing as long as you remain a subscriber. If you download it, it'll never expire. Household users can set up individual profiles. There are family controls as well. And the service backend is powered by BamTech. That's the same company that powers PlayStation View, MLB TV and HBO now, among others. A worldwide launch of Disney Plus is expected over the next two years. I'm not even going in to the original content from Marvel and Star Wars. The Mandalorian will be available from day one. That's the John Favreau Star Wars universe series. There will also be movies. Captain Marvel is going to go there when it hits the end of its window. So will the Lion King. All of the Star Wars movies, although I didn't notice last Jedi on the list, but all the Star Wars movies, except maybe the last Jedi right away, will be available at launch on Disney Plus, except for obviously episode nine, which won't have come out yet. But once episode nine is out of the window that prevents it from being on streaming, it will come to Disney Plus. And I assume last Jedi will follow once it's done with its obligations elsewhere as well. So what do you guys think of Disney Plus? I think there's like a tantrum that I heard things being flung somewhere down on the peninsula. And now I know why after reading that article. I think I think Disney's out for blood. I think they want to hurt Netflix. I would think they want to hurt HBO Showtime and everybody else they can in the industry. You know, they've got you're talking about the Silicon Valley Peninsula. Yes. Yes. Actually, they're also over in Hollywood. So I think I heard the same thing you're talking about. Over. I was I was thinking of like Netflix. Where's where's Netflix's main office? I mean, you know, wherever it was. Yeah, somewhere south of me. There was like, you know, flinging of things. But it's I mean, it's crazy, right? Because it's it's, you know, it's it's like we're going to have new. We're going to have all the movies you love. We're going to have all these new series. And by the way, your kids who watch all of this stuff. Now you can have it for seven months. It's just talking about high school musical and original content around high school, musical and reunions of the original high school, musical cast. I mean, that they also make content for younger children, too. So it's it's yeah, I mean, I'm I'm fascinated by the price. I'm curious to see how well it works. Well, all kidding aside, we were, you know, sort of, you know, going back and forth about Star Wars and, you know, what people like and don't like before the show started, right, does seven dollars a month seem like a deal because everybody's hiking up their prices. So the fact that this is, you know, undercutting that, you know, $10 a month, which is sort of the going rate is interesting. But again, you're not getting everything. You're getting Disney stuff. Yeah, I don't know. So what we've been what we've been watching is all of these different content creators or all these different sort of what I think it was, you know, what do we call them? A movie studio production house, a media conglomerate. They've all been sort of like, oh, we need to start like CBS. We're going to do, you know, a star, a Star Trek thing. And we're going to make you, you know, subscribe to our service. All these different services are basically still pissed off about Netflix, having access to their content for so many years. So cheap and I don't agree with you on that. I don't think they're pissed off at all. This is a purely like emotionless business move. Disney. OK, happy to get money from Netflix for years until they realized, hey, we could make more money if we move this inside. So now they're moving inside. I also don't think Netflix is that worried about Disney Plus. I would be more worried if I'm Netflix about what Disney is going to do with Hulu and all the Fox stuff that they're going to put in there. Because the Simpsons is going to Disney Plus, but all that other Fox FX stuff that they have, that's going to go into Hulu. And that's where I think Netflix is going to feel the heat more. If I will act like an emotional analyst and not speak like myself, I'd say the emerging markets and streaming media indicate that most production houses will be pulling content inside behind a paywall instead of offering users the opportunity to enjoy a broad selection across, you know what I mean? Like Netflix is going to buy a paywall. It just depends on who ran the paywall. That's all I know. But I mean, it's like it's one thing to have used to be able to get almost everything movie wise on Netflix, right? And then it's sort of, you know, Netflix lost that Starz contract that that that hack they had to access the content. But I sort of saying is it's pretty soon. If you have, you know, very wide tastes, you're going to be paying for like 13 different $8 to $15 a month subscriptions. I was like, oh, I want Game of Thrones and I went, oh, I want, you know, American gods and I want this and I want that. I want the other thing and that thing. And all of a sudden you're up to like 80 or 100 bucks a month in different services. Well, what will happen is you won't do that because you won't be able to afford it and a bunch of those services are going to go under. And then the whole market's going to balance out. Well, and that's why I think, you know, VOD services as a whole, like every company is like, let's shoot our shot. I don't know. Maybe people will, you know, subscribe and it'll be great. Most of the time that isn't the case because it's too limited as far as content goes. Yeah, Nick with a C in the chat room just said, I think it'd be a better deal if there was an option to pay for film. There is. It's called renting. And you can do that right now. Or you can buy the blu-ray. Yeah. Or you can buy the blu-ray or you can buy it up iTunes or Amazon Prime or Google Play or it just seems like things are getting spread out again in a way that's really, we're seeing the overlapping of an old business model with a new business model and there's just way more people trying to make this work than the market will be able to handle. But eventually I think it will shake out. Uber made its S1 filing for an initial public offering of stock on Thursday. It was right after our show ended yesterday. In fact, the filing says that the company had 91 million monthly active users at the end of 2018, which is up 33.8% from 2017, but slowing from 51% growth the year earlier. Revenue rose 42% in 2018 to $11.3 billion, but again, slowed from 102% growth in 2017. The company lost $3.03 billion in 2018 and cautioned in the filing that it may not achieve profitability. Uber also spent $1.5 million on R&D in 2018 with $457 million specifically on autonomous vehicles and flying cars and other technology programs. Uber also says that human drivers are a part of its core business for the foreseeable future and there will be a long period of hybrid autonomy with drivers serving most consumer demands. That's the thing that caught my eye after hearing the Ford CEO yesterday say, yeah, autonomous cars, not kind of happened as fast as we thought. Now, Uber is like our drivers are really important part of our business. They're not going anywhere just yet, which is true. I mean, it's true that we don't have autonomous Uber drivers on the road right now. I use Uber and Uber eats very regularly and that is a huge part of the ecosystem. I mentioned before the show, Tom, like, ooh, not getting profitable and you say, yeah, you know, that's not super uncommon for a company of Uber size where it's all sort of about the trajectory and not really what they're taking in at this moment. But I wonder, yeah, what does Uber look like in five years? Not profitable, apparently. Yeah, we were laughing a little bit about that. Hopefully it won't be as bad for them as they are covering their butts to say. The previously announced auction of 5G Spectrum in the United States has been set to begin December 10th. We knew there was going to be another auction and now we have a date. This will be for the 37 gigahertz, 39 gigahertz and 47 gigahertz bands. They already had an auction for the 28 gigahertz and 24 gigahertz bands March 14th. So if you're hearing this pitch to something new or something that was special, it's not. It's just giving a date to something that is pretty normal. We had 700 megahertz Spectrum auctions in advance of 4G. This is the one in advance of 5G. The FCC also announced its proposal for a 20.4 billion dollar rural broadband fund as part of the Universal Service Fund. This also isn't really new. It's an expansion of an existing program previously and, in fact, currently there's a nine billion dollar fund that was started in 2015 that provides $1.5 billion a year for rural broadband up to 10 megabits per second of service. This new fund would provide $2 billion a year over 10 years and encourage up to gigabit service. So it's taking that fund, adding a little more money and saying, let's do a lot better than 10 megabits per second. Let's do gigabit out in the rural areas. So I mostly wanted to talk about this on the show today because this is being reported in a lot of very strange and unusual ways. It's not a non-newsworthy story, but it's also a very expected auction, getting a date, not a special move, and it's an expansion of an existing program. And the big, big positive is saying, hey, when we bring broadband, let's mean broadband to rural areas and do gigabit. So good for the FCC. App researcher Jane Manchin-Wong discovered that Facebook is testing the possibility of returning Messenger back into the core Facebook app. The existing Messenger icon in the Facebook app would take users to a chat screen rather than opening up the separate app as it works now. Long notes that the integrated Messenger he saw can only send and receive messages and still requires the Messenger app to make calls, send photos or send message reactions. You know, okay, so I thought a little bit about this and it's always bugged me a little bit that, you know, Facebook, which owns lots of very successful standalone apps, Messenger and WhatsApp are the most closely competing of the two, right? And I don't use WhatsApp a lot unless I'm overseas. And then the usage goes up a lot with my friends who live outside the States. But I do use Messenger a lot. And I remember when Facebook made a big to do about making Messenger more of a standalone operation and, you know, people sort of mumbled and grumbled and then got used to it or didn't use Messenger at all. So it didn't matter. But this sort of makes sense to me. It makes sense that Facebook would want to give, especially all of the news as of late of what Facebook has been going through, people more of a reason to be in that core Facebook app. And if you bundle Messenger into that a little bit more, you get some folks that maybe had had a reason to not really log into Facebook at all, get back in there. Yeah, I was annoyed when this went away. It went away five years ago. We actually talked about it on the bonus show that we do for the co-executive producer level and up on Patreon, where we look back at stories from five years ago. And it was five years ago this month, I think, that they announced that they were stripping it out. I guess it doesn't bug me that much because when you tap on it, it launches the other app and it's like, okay, well, I guess it's, you know, mildly seamless. But it always bugged me. It's like, well, why can't you just have it without having to launch a separate app? And it looks like they're going back to that idea, maybe with not all the bells and whistles, which is fine. If I'm in Facebook and I just want to check the message without having to go to another app, then this will let me do it in a split second faster than I would otherwise. I've kind of gotten used to it, though. Patrick, do you even use this? I do. At this point, I work so hard to eliminate Facebook and Messenger as much as possible from my life. And, you know, any changes they make, I assume, or something that's going to make it easier for them to track my information or stuff more things in front of my eyeballs that I didn't want to see anyway. I just have no, I have no love for Facebook whatsoever other than occasionally seeing pictures of friends and what they're doing. I'll be honest, I would be more upset if they took away the Messenger app, which there's no indication that they're doing here, because it is the main way that I communicate with my nephew who lives in Australia. And if I tapped that and it took me into the full Facebook app every time, that would be annoying. So I'm glad it does. It's a good thing. Yeah. Cobuz is a high quality streaming music service available in public beta in the United States for $9.99 a month due for a full launch here in May. It's been available in other parts of the world for a while. You can stream audio in multiple formats right on up to FLAC 24 bit 192 kilohertz. They also make music available for purchase in high quality audio like that. The French company was founded in 2007. So they're not new. They're just new to the US. And Patrick, you've been trying this out. How is it? It's really, really good. It's interesting to watch other people's reviews of it because it's turning into this weird sort of, I don't know, litmus test for what people like and don't like. In terms of music usage, I think Spotify is the best way to discover music out there. Titles has a big darling in the audio file community because it offers lossless streaming FLAC files, basically CD quality files exactly like bit perfect for what you get off CD. Cobuz is interesting because a lot of people are very curious about high res audio, but high res audio albums like are usually really expensive if you go up to HD tracks or someplace. So Cobuz gives you a chance for 20 bucks a month. You can basically stream they're talking about having 40 million tracks overall in lossless quality, 170,000 albums, so maybe two million songs that are available in higher res like 24 bits, 192 kilohertz audio. So if you've been curious about high res audio, but don't want to spend hundreds of dollars or even 50 or 60 bucks buying two or three albums, this gives you a chance for 25 bucks a month to listen to a whole bunch of stuff. I like it. They've made an effort to make, you know, it's more music and music enthusiast centric and unlike title, it's not sort of like, oh, Jay-Z has a new album and you're going to see it in your face every time you launch the app for eight weeks. Not that I'm really cranky about that. Nice album, theoretical, right? Not something. No, no, no, that wasn't theoretical at all. It literally was like two months of every time I opened up the app, you know, it was like this album. And I'm like, I know you told me about it yesterday and the day before. So one one point of clarification is it's COBA's QOBUZ if people are wondering, but also the 999 a month that I mentioned, that's just the first tier. That doesn't get you access to everything, right? So you get for premium, what they call their premium is 320 kilobots per second or a very, very high quality MP3 for 10 bucks a month. If you want to go to lossless, it's the same price as titles, lossless, black files for 20 bucks a month. And then the next step up for 25 bucks a month, you do high res audio. And if you are a high res audio enthusiast and you want to have all of your albums and high res for 300 bucks a year, they have what they call their sublime level. And the real attraction to that is they allow you to buy high res albums incredibly cheaply. So if you want to build a large collection of high res albums, this is a way to do it will not that you know, I mean, you you got to want to spend a lot of money on music because it's 300 bucks for the subscription and then you still pay additional money to own the albums permanently, even if you aren't a COBA subscriber. Gotcha. Well, folks, you're going to want some nice headphones if you want to listen to the high quality audio. So let's get to the Patrick's Picks around headphones. Don't forget if you want to get the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, subscribe to dailytech headlines dot com. Let's start talking about the headphones that will not make me break a 20. Okay, monopros 8323, the closed back over your dynamic DJ headphone. They're like 16 bucks direct for monoprise. I think they cost 20 bucks on Amazon. These are shockingly good for the money. In fact, I've seen headphones that cost five or eight times as much that don't sound as good as these. They are plasticky. They are vinyl. They will make your ears sweat because they have, you know, vinyl ear pads. Look at that, ladies and gentlemen, about half the editors at the Rev three studio were using the monoprice 8323s. It's a alarmingly good headphone for the money. It is plasticky. And as Roger is demonstrating, it is about as, you know, not stylish as any headphone we've ever seen. I will say this, they are pretty durable for super dirt cheap headphones. I've had these for six, seven years. Oh, wow. Yeah, they're they are they are alarmingly good for the money, especially if you have like a teenager that destroys things or you have to give headphones to children and you don't want to be out of a lot of money. It's really nice. You know, if you always spend 100 bucks for puros that are going to keep their hearing safe, that's a good way to go. Now, if I got a little more cash, what do I do? Sony MBR 7506 is I first saw them in studios in New York City like 25 years ago. Wirecutter picks these as like their best headphone under 150 bucks. They sell for 80 bucks generally. They are not out of stock on at least one or two other listings on there shouldn't be. But you know, you're going to pay 80 bucks for these. They are alarmingly good. They have good base, they have excellent highs. They're incredibly neutral. And it's funny because the first time I think I ever read about them, there was a speaker designer by the name of Dunlavy who was making like $7, $8, $9,000 speakers like 1520 years ago. And he was like, these are the most neutral sounding headphones you can buy. They are amazing. And that's from a guy who was who was like, you could basically buy a car brand new for what he was charging for speakers. He was like, these are the great headphones. If you want to know what your music sounds like, you know, get a set of Sony MDR 7506s, get a Spotify premium account, listen through that for like six months, maybe upgrade to an audio quest dragonfly. And you have a really good idea how good your music can sound. Well, these are the headphones that I'm actually wearing right now. These are and they are my headphones of choice. I agree that they in heat can can they can get a little sweaty, but they are comfortable. The sound is great. And yes, when you're doing stuff like audio editing, anything that really requires you to, you know, like the minutiae of stuff, these are the headphones to get and considering that they're, you know, under $100. I mean, I don't I don't see a better deal out there. I will add that's pretty much the standard set of headphones that you'll find in any broadcasting outfit, whether it's a local news station or CNN. Yeah, they're really, really good. So Sarah and I have the MDR 7506s. Roger has the 8323s. What about the people who have more money than we do? Well, I have both of those. Something that came out last year, I found out some for the first time last summer mono prices, 565 C closed back there. They're basically closed over ear headphone. These are playing our magnetic and, you know, a couple of years ago, I thought playing our magnetic was going to wipe out, you know, dynamic or regular speaker style drivers at the high end. Turns out there's a lot of goodness left in dynamic drivers. But these sound phenomenal, big, solid sub bass. If you if you want to really hear everything in your electronica or your orchestral music or your jazz, these are really, really good. They have more bass than high five man's 400s, which are kind of the, at least until I heard these were kind of the go to for an audio file headphone for a couple of hundred bucks. They're closed back so you won't irritate your neighbors. And they have a really, really good sound stage. I mean, a really wonderful headphone. You're going to want to have lossless tracks, or you're going to want to have some high quality tracks. You know, if you're listening to the standard level Spotify or something, I wouldn't waste my money buying a $200 set of headphones. And then if you want to waste your money buying an $800 set of headphones, what should I get? You are a super audio geek. You have ripped your entire audio collection to flack or you've got a giant collection of high res audio files. You want to take it to the next level and you don't want to spend $4,000. I mean, these are Mr. Speaker's Aon. They have an open back and a closed back version. This is in an unbelievably well tuned, unbelievably, these sound amazing. But, you know, like a lot of things in life, this is not the thing you don't spend $800 on a set of headphones so you can sit in your office with a bunch of people yelling in the background. This is like, I'm going to sit and I'm going to listen to music and I'm going to concentrate on every detail and it's going to be a phenomenal experience, which sounds like I'm mocking it, but I'm really not. But this is to get a better set of headphones in these. There's like 800 new, they sell refurbished versions off the website for like $670. I've seen them for sale used for like $500. You're going to have to spend probably $2,000 or $3,000 to get something that sounds better than these. Dan Clark, the Mr. Speaker, he's an interesting cat. Like $800 sounds like a lot and it is, but they're half the price of his previous sort of flagship headphones and I think they are as good sounding or better as a $1600 headphones and his way of looking at it. So most people will never hear much less buy a set of $20,000 speakers. So my goal is to give you that phenomenal level of audio quality for under $1,000. And if you look at it that way, it's kind of interesting. That's fantastic. What a great roundup. And folks, if you want to know links to these products that Patrick's talking about, we'll have them all on the website in the Google Doc that's embedded there at Daily Tech News Show dot com. But just to recap, it's the mono price $8,323 that are $16. The MDR 7506 from Sony, a classic for $80. Mine have lasted me like 12 years, 15 years. The mono price M565C for $200 and the Mr. Speaker's Aeon for $800. Thank you, Patrick. You're welcome. And thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. Sometimes there are headphone stories there as well. You can submit your own and vote on others at Daily Tech News Show dot reddit.com. We're also on Facebook. If you want to hang out with us there, facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. Let's take a look at the mailbag. Let's do it. Daniel and Cincinnati was was was he wanted to weigh in on the whole ejecting flash drives and possibly erasing them conversation, which I thought Patrick would get a kick out of today. Vlad Savov was on the show Monday and asked, has anybody actually damaged their data on a flash drive right into us? So we've been getting these emails all week. I was I was we talked about this. This is this is like the I yeah, go ahead. I have I have thoughts. Well, so we'll we'll read Daniel's story and see if it resonates with you. Daniel says I've seen people wipe their entire flash drive twice. I used to teach computer classes to adults who are learning computer skills to get back into the job force. Some of them would just yank out flash drives indiscriminately. I know of two times when their entire flash drive full of targeted resumes and work histories and Excel spreadsheets of companies that they've applied to and networking contact information all wiped out completely blank and corrupted USB drives. Apparently, I've told my kids the story because whenever they see somebody yank a flash drive out of computer in the movies or on TV, they once and yell, no, don't do that. Like when Marvel Steve Rogers was in an Apple store and Yanks USB drive out of a Macintosh in the movie Winter Solter, which is funny because yeah, I initially was like, it's like the horror movie where it's like, don't go up the stairs. Don't do that. It's not going to end well for you. It's in the house. It's in the house. Oh, yeah. No, I was laughing because it was like, oh, I've actually wiped three drives or two drives, actually take that back two drives since like October after the release came out doing this. And I'm like, I'm trying really hard to unlearn the manual removal. But every time that happens happens a lot more with cheap USB thumb drives than it does with good USB thumb drives. But yeah, I've had it happen sometimes at the worst possible time with the worst possible data. I'll be honest, I will continue to eject the things for a long time in Windows, even though they tell me it's OK. Just it's it's a learned behavior, you know, what are you going to do? Also a learned behavior is getting great art from Len Peralta on Fridays. Len, what have you been drawing today? Well, let me preface this art, I'm just saying. This is an editorial cartoon. OK, let me just say that. It's an editorial cartoon. And it actually shows the the big mouse in a positive light, if you want to look at it that way, this is called Disney is set to stream. And it's the classic image of our friend, Ricky Rouse, who is who has his foot up, his his his right foot up, and he's about to squash the competition, folks. His yellow shoes are poised to take Netflix, YouTube and Apple off the stage out of the market for me, guys. Yeah, please don't say so. So yes, so yes, actually, it does say please don't sue me on this print. And if you want to see that in person, go to my online store at Len Brawl to store dot com. Or if you're one of my patrons, this is there right now for you to download patreon dot com four slash Len, you get it just because you're back and be at the five dollar. This is the first time I've seen people in the chat room live talking about printing this out before we've even introduced it on the show. It's crazy. I'm buying it before before the before I'm taking away the Magic Kingdom. Yeah, yeah. Thank you, Len. You've outdone yourself. That's fantastic. Thank you so much. 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Never had that before. This is the first time for Disney Plus streaming launches for $69 a year. Nice. Suggested by a cow. There's something lovely about this all along. The a la carte dream is over. Leaning into what Patrick was saying. High quality Patrick Norton. I like that. This is very, very appropriate. Disney has money. Disney's winter is coming. Don't make Tom break a 20. Streaming is your headphones. The co buzz buzz. A lot of people, a couple of different variations on that. Pro ear, pro ears for your ears. Feel like I'm missing something there. Pro ears like pro era. No, the pro ear phones for your ears. I like high quality Patrick Norton. That's my favorite. I'm I'm into that one. I mean, it's direct and to the point. All right. Patrick Norton in 16 K. What would be your follow on? Yeah, our alternate title for the patrons. That one could be. Under to us. Yeah, I like that. Us. No, no, no, Len. Me. Yeah. Pretty nice. Len's the one's going to the clank. One of the most. Never heard of him. Len Peralta. I don't even know how I got on that street. No, no, no. Dude, I just purchased that. It is so awesome. I'll print it out all over my house. Thanks for being awesome. Thanks for being really well done, Len. Exactly how I feel about it, too. Well, you know, it's we'll see what happens. I mean, if I was dead set against, I was telling Tom earlier, I was dead set against a Disney streaming service because I'm like, I'm not paying for another one. And then I saw the price and I'm like, OK, they did almost everything right in this announcement. They emphasized all the original content. They made sure they had something from every sector, even if you don't care about Jeff Goldblum doing national Geo stuff. Or they had something for everybody in here to be like, this is going to be broad. Don't worry. We'll have plenty of selection. All your favorite Disney animated classics are going to be in the not going to be in the vault anymore. They're going to be on here. We'll have all the Star Wars. You know, like they just hit on everything and also seven dollars a month. Thank you very much. The billions we make from our parks and our other networks will subsidize this for years to come. Don't worry about it. For less on the cost of the merchandising. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's great. The price Netflix hasn't grown yet. Are these other revenue streams that they can lean on? Because they're going to lose money on this for a while, but they don't care as long as they can build up the momentum and the subscription base. And I was going to go out of business. They've got how many billions out of the way. Yeah. I actually don't think Netflix will suffer because of this. This is going to be way more pressure on the other like the time the Warner one, the NBC Universal one, CBSL Access, you know, and any of these like to be and all of the those other ones out there that are trying to get by some of them like to be is free. It's ad supported. So maybe the weather the storm because you don't have to pay for it. But I'm here to be Disney content in their streaming service. No. It was it was decades in the making, Tom. The other interesting thing that it was a little too wonky to bring out on on DTNS, but The Simpsons is produced by the Fox Studios that Disney owns. Fox Broadcasting, which is part of Fox Corporation, which Disney does not own, has renewed it and will continue to air it. But then the syndication is all going to Disney Plus. It's crazy. So I don't the the calculation for keeping Simpsons on the air for so many years was Fox produced it, aired it and got the syndication money out of it, right? I don't know that Fox Broadcasting will want to continue to air it for too long if they're only getting the broadcasting revenue out of it. Part of the reason that they kept it on the air was like, well, you know, it does all right on broadcast and then we rake in all this other money. But they don't get any of that money now because it's made by Disney and then the syndication goes to Disney. It's crazy. It's a crazy world we live in. Oh, I really like the Simpsons. They're like me. They never grow up in season nine. That's worth eight dollars a month. They're the color of my shoes. Can you guess the first eight seasons? Because those are the only ones that are good. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm wondering because they're generation one hundred and seventy five seasons. It's at this point. It's it's it is just kind of what do they call it? Not a national icon, but just like, you know, like, it's just been around so long that it's just part of the scenery. Yeah, the cultural zeitgeist. Yeah. Yeah. Like seven. Well, yeah. I always say this about the Simpsons. It's like I make fun of the fact that it's been on for as long as it has, but it has because it's really good and clever and funny. And I will watch a Simpsons episode. I don't know. Maybe like one episode per season. And it's always funny. It's it's a good show. Maybe a little long in the tooth at this point. But even as somebody who's not like a super fan, I still recognize that it's it's funny. Well, it's seasons that's been going now. It's it's weird. It's like its own self generating meme because it's been around so much that you literally any situation in life, you will find a meme, a Simpsons meme that she can right back off of it. Right. Or there'll be like a very, I don't know, you know, some sort of random thing and someone will go like, oh, yeah, Simpsons did that. If you wanted to show that has reached a singularity, I would think it would be it would be the Simpsons. Yeah. Well, the other thing that I'm excited about and it's a little thing, but one of the disappointments of Force Awakens and Last Jedi was that they can't play the 20th Century Fox intro because it's not a 20th Century Fox movie. It's a Lucasfilm. And that's deeply upsetting. But now that Disney owns 20th Century Fox, what would you assume they would easily be able to play that? You can comfortably get into the movie the way that it was intended. It's good. I'm not sure. I don't know if they'll do it or not, but I would assume they could. One of the things for Endgame, for Avengers Endgame, what are the chances that you think we're going to see a post credit sequence with the Fantastic Four hinted? Well, folks, if you're on video, you'll just have to answer that yourself. But audio, folks, stick around for our answers. There's more to come. Yeah.