 Ekiteiivoa na kiyomia saka eni. zurumia k landmarkiy termится Makbih 1254 Mshani aidi kawa mebebe ma waveshgh cosa kOver Ig rainssh ki wa m​nikiéndi kwa kohu kakwriting taia k kanemrata katatum finde para issues na kukizuka ekiki gur Jesus kenya kudu At home and that is what we call Mark B-254 Msanee So you can see that people or young people are out like CC Retainer They are looking for older people to be in relationship with And we are in studio with none other than Mark B Msanee 254 How are you sir? Is that you? Ya, that's me. Okay. Introduce yourself, tell us everything about you that you think we need to know apart from your name. So, me na ito mga B25 forms ali. That is my stage name. I do music, I do gangiton because gangiton, it's a roots zaki zime toka kenya. And I'm also doing hip-hop. Nimefanya hip-hop from last year. Sayi me nili ya drill because hip-hop evolves. So, ya, basically I'm just an artist trying to make it in the robust city of Nairobi. Ya. Okay, we thought that there is a problem somewhere because this is not normal. So we had to bring a professional to help us put things into perspective. And we have none other than Lona Karumba. Lona Karumba is not your first time in these studios. In fact, you are becoming our official psychologist. Tell people about you those who are watching you for the first time. Yes, so my name is Lona Karumba. I am a counselling psychologist by profession. I'm also passionate about mental health. So I also deal with cases of mental health and just talking about mental health. Because mental health is something right now more than ever. It is coming up. So that's what I do. But I'm also a lover of life and just, you know, as I say psychologist, you fear psychologist. So I'm just a normal being. Do you think this is a mental problem? We'll start from there because you'll say your personate about mental issues and all that. Do you think this is a mental problem? Now the case we have now, we want to solve now. You know mental health is very diverse. And it cuts across very many things. But it depends with the individual. And we wouldn't just, you know, put it out there that this is a mental health issue. Or this is depression or anxiety. You need diagnosis. Yes, you need to sit down with the person actually understand who that person is. Yes. Because it doesn't have, you know, mental health is not like physical health. You know, physical health is something you can say, okay, corona virus. Someone is coughing. Someone has a fever. But mental health is more deeper. It needs more deep analysis. And that is why in counselling psychology we even do 10 sessions by the time we are certain, okay, this person is... We cannot do 10 today. Yes. But now we will see where we will reach with Magbi. Yes. Magbi, uli pata? So what will you be getting? My sponsors, potential sponsors. Yes, what will you be getting? Yes. But so it's good to listen to people's advices. Yes. Nika skiza for some time. So nika kwanza nika. How are people advising you? What will they tell you? What will they advise you? People will have advices, tons and tons of advices. So they are telling me that take charge of your life. Neza wuza maiai. Neza wuza miwa. Neza fanya anything. But so nika skiza. So you know, just after some time they stop calling. But situation nika baki the same, same. So you know, so Ili said that to tamu and jugu ni kukula moja moja. So let us get into it one by one. Were the potential sponsors calling or people advising or both were calling? Both. Both were calling. So what did you do with the sponsors who were calling? So for the time being kwanza nika eka pending. So in case any sponsor li kwa na pigesi mo, li kwa na wambia nisha pata lakini in the real sense li kwa kwanza nangoja. To see go under the water and see if maybe intersaidi ka another way. Were they telling you that they have the qualifications because we saw your qualifications. You wanted somebody with big car, big behind. Big what the mama himself also had to be big. So are these callers telling you that we meet this qualification, these specific qualifications? Some are telling me they meet the qualifications. That is a less percentage but a bigger percentage. They say they don't meet the qualifications. They didn't have some of the big things you wanted. So they are all pending. Like whatever, umewa waka pending, bad water. We are also younger girls calling. We are younger girls also calling. They also wanted to be in this sponsorship zone. Others wanted just a relationship. A normal relationship. So I came to Katiwa. Namadem of all ages. Mitu alisa maapa kwa ni ni kwa comments. By the way our discussion of the days already in our social media platforms. So you can slide in at White Fire 4 in Twitter or Facebook. Then you leave your comment there. We will read them at the end of this show. So somebody already asked that kama umewa pata moa dan umugawi e, unaizaga wa? Sosa kwaia topik. Sosa hapo sasa nda watua me. Unona apart from wanyo wana pigasi muku se mati wana ibisha wana umi lakin e ozi kwa ibisha wana umi. E ni confidensi, wana kareju zi sma mapa le aka iwiz. Tidu such kind of thing. Wanyo wana ibisha wana umi. So we wana iret kama confidence wana wana wana una ibisha wana umi. Ume pata wengine piya wanyo me uliza wanyo me sema waga iwe kama umeni wana sema kwa social media. Wengisana. So wana umewa nata aka. Wana tata aka. Niveni wana jifija. Lona. Yes. You see the elephant in the room. Men, young men want sponsors. Where is the problem? You know we are in a very tough situation at this point. And actually funniest thing is right now even in canceling psychology we are receiving more men than women. Going through depression and actually going through thoughts of suicide. So some of these mental health concerns are not just the women. Kitambo, it used to be women, women are depressed, women are depressed. But right now more men are coming out. And that for me shows where our country is leading to right now. There is a cause for concern. A cause for wondering what are men doing. What do men want. Or what are men really looking for. Or what is going through the life of a man. So I had a friend of mine the other day who I just wanted to know their life and how according to them from Monday to Sunday what is going through their mind. And I realized that there is a lot of pressure for men and especially for young men who are trying to make it through life. This is a musician who is trying to make it in life. Trying to get there. And of course most men would want to actually the bigger percentage of men are acting as the one who says that wunaibisha wanaume. But in actual sense you find that more men are asking utani gawiya. So you see there is a thin line there. Means they want is to happen but what is happening they want to hide. Behind his confidence as he is saying because according to him that is confidence. So most men are hiding behind that but there are others who come out and say wunaibisha wanaume because according to them it should be done in secret. So I think it is mental health as it is defined. Mental health is something that comes in from the sense of having to understand the psychological point of view your mental wellness and even your physical even your social being because this is social. This is wanting to be wanted if there is any English like that. Wanting to feel that kind of attachment. Someone who cares about you. We are living in a world where nobody cares about the other person. These days I found the other day someone collapsed in the streets and we are not as fast as we used to be trying to help. Everyone is like that could be COVID. So everyone takes a step forward. COVID has complicated everything. So people are doing what you call social distancing instead of physical distancing. So what is happening is the social aspect we are losing it. People are socially distancing themselves. I am not able to call you for example because I am scared. I don't know people are thinking even COVID is passed over through the phone. So you find the meetings that we used to go through the normal way of meeting someone nowadays it is not there because where are we meeting these people? Parties by 10 pm. Khafi is out for young men like him. He is in the music career. He is supposed to be maybe out there singing in clubs, in parties, maybe in other gatherings, in meetings. But where are those things? So what is happening, life has changed. There is a paradigm shift. So people are now tending to now look in another perspective of now what happens to me socially. I need to be loved, I need to be wanted. I need someone to accept me and tell me yes. Like you can imagine how he felt with all those people. It needed a bizarre thing to be done. It needed something out of the normal for him to feel, hey, it seems everyone has texted me, it seems people are reaching out, people are texting everyone is wanting to look for me. Even ladies want a relationship with him. So that is the question. Where are we at this point? It means they are young and ladies who would do something like that. They really want to be in a relationship but they don't have somebody to be or to date or something. So this problem that is cutting across it's not only men. But you've just spoken science, research. You've told me that you've seen life of a man from Monday to maybe Sunday on how they work. And you've also told us that those who visit you nowadays are men. It used to be women more but now they are men. You are blaming this on corona pandemic. Not really. Again, corona pandemic there is an upside of corona pandemic in what I do because people are accepting mental health. Why? Because this is the point you realize wow, okay life doesn't have to be solved by one person. I can reach out to someone who is a professional, who I can speak to and get to understand what is happening. What is happening in my life? I'm stressed up. I'm not able to eat well. I'm not able to even take the normal things that I used to love. I used to love golf. Nowadays when I go to the golf pitch, I don't know how I can't even stand there for 10 minutes. I get fatigued. I'm drained. So what is happening, corona in as much as it has all the negatives that it has for us, we are seeing it as a positive because mental health we are speaking about mental health almost every second of the day. Someone right now speaking about mental health somewhere. So it is I wouldn't blame it on corona but it has been able to bring it up. It has been able to show people that wow, mental health is real because before it used to be physical health, cancer, it used to be about diabetes, it used to be about so many other things, people coming out and talking about it. But for mental health you just say okay that's a mothera case so let them deal with that. But nowadays people are realizing that it doesn't have to be a mothera case. Even I myself could be going through something mental, it could be stress it could be a post-traumatic stress disorder, maybe I was traumatized when I was very young and right now I'm coming up. And what I'm liking about now this period is that now men are accepting that it's not only a woman's problem. Even I myself can get affected I myself can go and sit somewhere and talk about my issues without having to talk about football or having to talk about money or ladies. I can sit down and actually say I'm not okay. Let's get back to Magbi. Magbi what exactly did you want? Ulikuna takado Ulikuna tak a relationship did you want a companion did you want what exactly did you go to the streets to seek? So for me a relationship I've been in previous relationships and for me it's not a problem because me socially I'm outgoing so the issue is about money. Nipesa ulikuna anda kutafuta or that is why you are so specific on the kind of car that man must be driving or when he msani in fact we'll talk about yo msani before it's long to touch us atangu mazako you ato umefanya atama video but I think usani ikunaka peseivi So usani ikunaka na pesa after you've gone viral after now you've started going to shows not only going for shows because I've gone to several shows where I don't pay anything I have to convince the BJ that I can perform but you see for music we get recognition so you get recognition so that when there's a show and you are the host of the show people have to come because they know you so when they come because they know you they have to pay the tickets so I can perform I can perform blaze, bioeon, pose okonyeeri because I don't have to go to the university and it's a free show did you finish? Badu onanda la last year last year I went to Pesa so when I came to the next semester when I went to Kikitu 4 years and 3 years 4.1 so I went to the next year so I went to the next year what were you studying? bachelor of commerce in marketing so you like applying one of the marketing skills when you are marketing yourself you go to the next year do you go to Pesa? Pesa because I went to the next year you have been looking for you advised not to do that so you go to Pesa you go to Pesa you go to Pesa you go to Pesa so you go before after that was on 6th so I went to Stafruti but after those 2 weeks bills I went to bills so I went to Pesa so I went to Pesa so I went to Pesa so you go to Pesa so I went to Pesa Mami do you think that is what most of them are looking for? you know the main reason for human existence basically is to work and get money and of course it reaches a point where you feel okay i'm at the end and lem me just ya wawu kadu nashima, kwa wadna uagoto nani, kwa kwiwa hivahi wanakr放저 kwa wajiv patsili, kiwa kwa waji watu tu kwa wajipi ya kwa wajne mu lao nani, kabuwa wajini waji watu kuwa na kupa raida kuya pakaia wajipi wajia waji watu kwa kola na wajikwi wajini waj Rollo kwa wajini wajini wajipi auja kwen hwoko kwa kwa wajini wajin wajimi wajini wajini watu kwa wajimi wajimi waji watu wajini wajili watu kwa wajin wajili watu What is the purpose of this time of life? It's because man is stressed because that money is what you want. You need money. Bills are looking at the back of your mind like, you know, I'm here, what do you do? I mean that was going around of end month, what happens during end month. And immediately you're paid just before you're even before you're paid. Someone is knocking at your door. There is rent, school fees, I don't know what and so many things. We even stated at some point where he had to drop out of school because again not money. So what are we looking for? In life there are things that we have to look into and understand that this is what it is. It's reality. And we have to understand that we need money. There is no human being who will come, even a pastor will come and tell you, you can live your life with five shillings and ten shillings, absolutely not. We need to understand that money is needed. You have said how people are advising you. You know when you say money, you say money, you go on. You know when you say money, you brush your teeth. Things like that. But I think he was not ready for that because my evidence says that on 6th he was on the street. Saying that an attacker sponsor. So he loved between that and he is saying that between that and the next time went on streets was two weeks. And because like two weeks he was on the street. Are we saying that the contemporary youth are not patient enough with life? Amma are not hardworking enough. Is it because of laziness? Now we need to also understand something that this is a specific period of time. Youth are coming out. We are hearing very bizarre things actually of late that we have been hearing things that maybe they are not understanding what exactly is happening. Now it is because of also the state of affairs. Look at it even in your family situation. Kitambo parents were there. They had time for us. They had time to even look and say, mi am here, can we talk and stuff like that. And there used to be that connection. But nowadays even our parents themselves are so busy. So what is happening? Yes there is the laziness and there is everything that you are talking about. The lack of being patient that at some point I need at some point I will get the car that he wants his lady to already have. You understand? But at the end of the day we also have to look at it in this perspective where we have to understand that we youth, we also have to understand that it is a life. It is a process of life. Things don't come as easy as we think. People just don't come and say by the way you know what I am here. So let me get everything. Everything just doesn't come on a silver plata. And I think for me personally I look at the struggles that my parents have gone through. And even by the time my dad is driving at this point, I mean he started by walking on the streets. He started by trying to take amata to here, motorbike here. But right now he is driving. What does that tell us that it will reach there. One day we will get there. And I like the advice. That is what you should tell Makbih. For me I would want to differ from that. So we are in a society that when you compare me to a lady who is the same age as me for me it will be difficult. Yeah, she is much better. Yeah. Una pata ya kwaamba So I would like to if you are dating a girl you can't go and spend just a hundred bob you can't go and spend just a hundred bob so this is it is difficult. It is difficult. So I would like to know what you think of this DM because you are the one who is in the middle and you are the one who is 30 and you are the one who is 35 and you are the one who is 40 so I would like to know what you think of this for like three months what you think of this to say my budget and how so Una pata 20,000 for three months of which somebody who has money within one day it will be 10,000 Una pata heart of waste time na mimi takini Tata futasponsa Una tata futasponsa now that the other side una tata futasa and then another thing una watu wanafa kwelewa una na kitamba kuli kwa na easy traditions sejuwi lady Mr. Anali kwa na waliwa the age maybe of 15, 16, 14 by anoda anoda money in the society so ilianda iki change kakwani ediata people must fall in love so atasisi wanaume to kichange kutoka kule laji monge you had to marry somebody when you were a lower age than you that was your society times are changing and I don't think people should start saying ati society mi aribika society mi evo this is how the current youth all of them are behaving this way are reasoning this way majority so it's clear there is a problem that we need to solve and by the way before even you answer that there is somebody asking if you have parents he is asking if you have parents and if yes have they seen this viral photo that went viral and what is their take on it so that lona you will advise parents after that Buddha Lyona hi yama maasha what was Lyona what did they tell you mi wali ni ambe you do what you have to do but pia uji chunge wali kupige yama una uchi nao atu ishi nao wakushago so wali kupige yama kwa kombi do whatever you want to do but next while you are safe laki ni at least kwe kiaf na jwa na what those parents wana kwa nga worried about maybe the ladies you will get wana kwa mbi yanga find a lady don't find ladies another thing mada amasida wuki re kaya ke sasa ofi isuna jwa kuna maali tafika atami mi ni oni but you see there is somebody kwa sayi there is a gospel musician hako hapili married na kumali mi neza advice watu ni wama kwa wana you can go on kama ni love yama whatever you want but it is kwa ni wengi ati isi kwa ni wengi so what matters to you is number but not age don't tell us something you can see we have a big problem a big problem as a society even parents our next thing a parent can tell you is this parent giving up or something I think on the issue of just understanding that it's reached a point where for him he is talking of that love in Meisha but what exactly do we why do we get into a relationship I think we are losing the meaning of what is a relationship because of money and as he is saying that 20,000 you are saving up for a woman and yet she has maybe other men out there maybe an older man has the same men of the same age so many men so he is giving up on the fact that he knows that first I need 20,000 second that is per every month or something secondly which he doesn't have she is not going to be there for me she will be with other men and that is the fear if you listen to him very critically because of course as psychologists we look into the deeper meaning I am seeing a sense of giving up on relationship on what really is the meaning of love and even for parents a parent is someone who is supposed to love you someone who is supposed to be there for you and just accept you for who you are and this is a parent who feels ok now if I for example parents are scared nowadays because you find you are talking to your child and they tell you by the way I am doing this and when you tell them no that is not right and they tell you what I have disowned you as a parent I don't care about you anymore so my life is off and may go my own life those who are in real trouble are parents now exactly because as a parent like this what is going through the head of the mum for example because you can imagine the way he was replied you can sense that this problem I think they are dealing with it they don't want to tell him that we really have problem with that ok Magbi do you have a girlfriend do you have a girlfriend for now I don't have but you used to have you used to have a girlfriend before this then what happened we made a date we made a date and then I told her she doesn't have a girlfriend I told her that I am in Nairobi and she told me oh you are new in Nairobi and you are going to be in Nairobi when you are in archives so by the way I am Hustling and I was a Tebilz so I am a hardworking guy oh you are a hardworking man so what you want what you want is pay bill so what you want from big mamas is money I don't have money I don't have money I don't have money to make it obvious does it mean that if you get money from maybe another source then you get enough money from another source to do if you have a girlfriend then you are a big mamas tell us something exactly I wanted that question because that is a reality because that is not the reason why he is entering this relationship not for love, not for something and there is a point where he said we also look into statements that are left maybe incomplete and there is a point where he has said afikanione what is that saying that he is also not going into this 100% he is not going into this because it is a right thing he is not going into this because it is what he is feeling he is going into it because of the pressures of the world things that are happening in his life that he is feeling like this is what I need and of course because of lack of events that person who is going to this is a time where I feel as a parent this is a time to come in to step up and say I need to help I need to help my son I need to give him money a lot of money all this would be gone that's what you have said there is another option there is always another option and the options are there there are so many things that nowadays I am seeing people doing sometimes when I meet even men in my office who come and tell me counselor I have given up on life I don't have any job nowadays my wife is looking because I am not able to provide for my family and there is a certain man I saw the other day who was telling me that he wakes up in the morning where he swears his suit he is not going to work he lost his job during covid and goes somewhere and stands the whole day and walks around and 5pm he comes back there are so many people like that going to archives going to Urupak going to these social places they are just there the whole day doing nothing then they go back to their house because of the pressure the pressure that has come in at the end of the day you can't tell your wife you can't open up to your wife you can't open up to your family that I don't have a job and sometimes if you talk about it if you talk about it with your wife you can't try and see how to sort it out if you was to talk about it maybe with his parents or talk about it with friends one has to come up with something and one has to fanya together nowadays I hear even men enter chamas that is really helping even men nowadays and in that specific chamas see your football packet we talk about real life problems and even the other day I was talking to my partner and he has a specific group where in that group they sit down and they talk about nothing else but about their lives and they go one by one kaya so how are you doing how is life and you will hear someone saying we talk about real life problems this is what they need a specific point where they can talk because this has come up because he is brave enough to show it out there but I can tell you more than three-quarter of the youth are thinking in his perspective they want money so how do I get money what is the easiest way option this is the way to go so how do you get money when you are in a family when you are in fame I am in a school fees I am living in Shula I will be back in a semester so you are just having a good time just to get a good salary and to get a good life so I was in another interview I was in a kikuyu interview I was in a kikuyu interview so I was in a kikuyu interview so they contributed what kind of work do you do to get a good salary I don't want to contribute I want to contribute so I am just a payment so how do you get a good salary when you are in a kikuyu interview I have two issues I don't know if it is because I am a staff sponsor but I don't know I don't know on social media I don't know if it is because I am a staff sponsor but I don't know so I have issues there is a time I recommend to support them because I have content and I don't know if it is because you are an artist and by the way you have a last name I don't know before I entered we started talking with a guy and he said he is a big time entertainment so we asked him he is a con man maybe I recommend and he clarified so we have been talking with him from March and he said every time I get something he says whatever you have you can achieve in life if you have excuses so when it comes to music if I get money if I get money if I get a studio and you know how expensive it is so I told him to me he told me how should we go and I said where should I link to Tuma Tuma Tena so after I got constraints and finances so I went to ISX and I went to archives so after I changed I got text 5 in the morning you got text 5 in the morning so I got text 30 I got text 5 in the morning so I got text 5 in the morning so I got text 5 so I got text 5 so when I got a sponsor I told him when I got a sponsor he told me he said he will be alive and later at the end of the tunnel so after I got a sponsor so I called him he told me I got a sponsor for free so I got a sponsor and he told me free music so you need to pay $25,000 $25,000 $25,000 so I told him I got a sponsor and he told me I reconsidated so so he told me I got a T-shirt $25,000 so I got a sponsor so you reconsidated you got a sponsor don't you think you're being a bad influence to youths to engina when you need to get a sponsor so you got a bad influence so this is me and I have a friend and he told me but he told me he is a good friend and I got a sponsor Na uregrat In fact, are you planning to do another one? Ya Kwanza ni kwenza ni rudileo? Ule kuhu rudileo Kwa apis asa Aka efs Aka efs Aka efs ni ubesi aku Umeyande kaiyo ni ni Umeyande kaiyo plakat Umei chora aje Sasa umesi na bando unataka sponsor Pana So, na Una jywa sasa sija maliza hi ya erikomondi So, una una after wame ni itisha hi ya Udo mi ni kwa wame bie Nye na afford in 10,000 Jywa at least mi changa Kiwaki dogo So, mi ni kwa wame bie Aka ma mziki ita kuwama Because I still have my music Mrezen Saidiana Marketing So, sasa ni kwanza kuzungushwa Kuzungushwa Ni kwanza kuleyo Pesa polipoli kaisha So, iyo from March Until Agast ni mekua Badalwa ni yambie So, sasa unona erikomondi Ali posta ki seima Ati Ati by force Yambie serikali ni pati e kazi Yes Alafu unona sasa ni ni Badalwa kwanza anke uli za Alafu ani seima studio za hawa li funga Una una Kuna mutua li Ali kwa na seima Takuchu na alafu ani seima Mngina limo ambia Ambia serikali Akupe e kazi Ating kwe piya una need kazi We want your final comments Because our time is much spent Fundisha vijana Very final comments in 30 seconds Ufundisha wa atu First We must understand that mental health is real And stress, pressures They need for something They need for validation They need for money They need for everything that you need It's between you And I like that he says that ni mimi Let nobody say that Because sasa may end as sasa let us follow This is a path that he has chosen to take And he also needs to understand That there is light at the end of the tadne We shouldn't give up It's okay not to be okay But there is always a disclaimer to the end As long as you are not giving up So I think it's a high time for us To look into such issues Even as a country at all Even as societies As people who maybe are out there And can see youth like this Who are struggling with a specific aspect Of maybe music or something Or anything That this is the time to reach out to such people I wish we had the whole day here Because this is interesting But there are plans to pick from this conversation Whether you are young Whether you are a parent Or whether you are who There is something to learn from this Mark B says he will go back to the street Not as he says he should not Or parents are confused Everything is at confusion But I think the same thing You've learned from this We will make sure that we bring Mark B back to the studio So that maybe we get deep into I know he has learned something from this So at the end of it all We shall have a lasting solution