 I come to you today with an announcement. We will now be searching for a new host to sit alongside my beloved brother, Comrade and arms and dear friend of Vosemite Kim. I have reached capacity as to being on camera. If you wonder why we don't have enough camera episodes, this is my fault. I'll take the blame for it. So depending on how this one goes, submit your resume. Nah, I'm gonna duck it out. I'm here. Dialectics, he was giving me a speech on dialectics prior to this, where it ain't always about what you want to do, it's about what you need to do. And so if I say that I am, I guess if y'all consider me a decent host, if Abbas says I'm a decent host. I'll keep doing my part to spread truth. What is free to people to press tagline? Speaking truth to the new African struggle. That's what we here do. We've been doing it for 149 episodes, which we will record 150 right after this. There you have my brother. You telling the game, man. Hey, 150? We're about to be 150, huh? That's wild. I remember when we hit 100. I was about to be on 150, which is really, you know, if you break it down, 172, right? Oh, because of tells of the time. 162, my brother, it's okay. Sound it out, baby. But yeah, 162. Yes. That's a lot, a lot of episodes. Yeah. We did that workshop yesterday and they pointed out to us because they asked us what year we started, 2016. Yeah. Seven years of doing this pie, bro. That's a long time of podcasting, especially the game of podcasting and what it's become right now in terms of a lot of people watching podcasts, a lot of people launching their political shows, just even the evolution of video podcasts to some degree. You know what I'm saying? But hey, I said we've been here doing this, you know what I'm saying? And we appreciate all the support of our supporters all over the years. You know what I'm saying? You can see our growth in terms of our political analysis. You can see our growth as two people and evolving and transforming and growing because that's what we have to do day in and day out is evolve, transform and grow. And I appreciate everybody who has been with us on this show who have grown with us at the same time and expanded their consciousness. You feel me? Developed into new beings because that's what we have to do. We have to transform from this colonial mentality that we are stuck in and move towards a revolutionary mentality, a colonial condition to a revolutionary condition. So episode 149, it's a big number. I think it's a testament to the commitment that we have in terms of producing accessible political education. I would also say it's a testament to looking at how we've done this show and understanding what changes that we do have to make as well. You know, this is in terms of like the video content and being on camera and understanding that people want to be on camera and trying to do that as much as we can given the lack of resources that were afforded. You know what I'm saying? Lack of resources or you could also say, you know, because of all the organizing that we is doing, it takes a different type of toll. You know, we ain't just here podcasting. We ain't here just, you know, launching breaking news. What we're doing is organizing and building programs for decolonization. Ultimately, to help us free the land from your American control to help us develop true independence, true sovereignty and true nationhood because what is independence without land? And lastly, I definitely want to give a shout out to the folks at People's Programs, the members of People's Programs and the volunteers of People's Programs who have stepped up in a multitude of ways that have allowed Abbas and I to dedicate more time to research and study that allows us to provide a more precise analysis to any given topic that we're studying. And so I'm of the thought that as the organization continues to grow, that as members and volunteers develop their analysis, develop their actual on the ground and practical skills to run the multiple programs that we run, you will see an uptake in revolutionary thought and analysis as it pertains to our specific understanding of the new African independence movement, right? Not to say that there are, there's a lot of, you know, like black media out there for sure, but you know, for us, we're pushing a specific line of anti-capitalist, anti-imperialism and revolutionary nationalism, right? That's what we're pushing. And we are the understanding that theoretically what we're trying to do here is important. And so, yeah, thanks to all the folks that support the work. Thanks to all the members. I don't know if we said it already, but if you can share, continue to share our podcast with folks thanks to all the people who have given us recent reviews. Recent patrons. Yeah, subscriptions and, yeah, support us at patreon.com backslash hella black pod. I am deeming us as the people's podcast. So support the people's podcast. Definitely the new African people's podcast. Say that for sure. You know what I'm saying? We're trying to be a podcast for humanity, you know what I'm saying? Because we are trying to actually actualize the words that we are speaking and create meaningful change in this world at the same time. And just talking to talk, you know, we was talking to the kids yesterday when we was doing the workshop, right? Hey, you know, we were talking to talk of the podcast early on when we first started the podcast, but didn't have no program to back it up, you know, and seeing that as like part of our contradiction is like, okay, we are trying to tell stories. You feel me? Educate people so that they can transform the day-to-day reality. Go from one state of living to a higher state of living because the way we is living right now, we could look outside and see that everything is wrong. Everything about the society, the foundation of the society is wrong. But how are we going to make that change? You know, and we say, you got to, Jalil say, rather you got to free your mind. So ask a follow. And this is what we're trying to do on this podcast is help give you the tools to free your mind to develop that consciousness and then to put that consciousness into reality. And that's where a material transformation happens. So, you know, we're going to get into it, you know, but definitely appreciate all the support. You know, go follow us on Instagram at Hell Black Pied. You feel me? If you can't become a patron, support us on Instagram, support us on Twitter, follow us, retweet. If we post an episode, you feel me? Make sure y'all tag us and we'll repost that on our Hell Black Pied Instagram. You know what I'm saying? So engage with us. We enjoy it when y'all comment. You feel me? Sometimes when we do these episodes, it's like we put it out into, you know, air. You don't really know who listened to it. You know, we know we're getting these plays. We know the different countries. We know we're charting in different countries and whatnot, but we don't always get that comment or the feedback, you know. So I know I appreciate when y'all engage with us. You know what I'm saying? It makes it seem more interactive for us or for myself. You know. Yeah, for sure. So episode 149, we're going to talk that talk. If you haven't had a chance to listen to episode 149, episode 148, where we give a historical understanding of what led to this height of the conflict between the unjust state of Israel and the people who will be free of Palestine. I suggest you go back and dive into that because this episode will be somewhat of a revisiting of that, but also touching on some of the, I will guess, like themes elements we didn't get to cover in the previous episode. So while giving analysis on some of the more recent developments and definitely want to start by saying free to land, free Palestine, it's like Kwame Turese, it's science that's going to happen. It's just a matter of how and when, but people will be free. It's going to happen. That's a fact. That's the fact of the matter now. It's going to happen. The youth of the world are going to decide that it's going to happen. You know what I'm saying? Even in America, the youth for the most part, the younger demographics don't support Israel. You know what I'm saying? I've seen something, I've seen a tweet of the ex world, Twitter world, a bit more with trying to get information out and getting information to, you know what I'm saying? And it was someone who tweeted like, oh, my 15 year old cousin couldn't go to a protest and they had a protest on roblox or something like that, even as just a bunch of characters riding around with a Palestinian flag and stuff. So it's like, even the youth, like that was just a moment for me. Oh yeah, it's over. Like a small moment like that, seeing that like kids on these apps, leading a protest on the app because they can't go outside and protest. It's game over for Zionists. It's game over for Israel. I mean, that's what we speak to. If you haven't, you should go to peoplesprograms.com and check out the writing section. And there's a piece, Repression Raises Consciousness, which is born out of, I would say, an essay by Huey P. Newton. And his, you can look that in the Huey P. Newton reader where we talk about that there's only so much you can do to a people, so much oppression and repression you can do to a people before they start to essentially question their reality and also most importantly, fight back by whatever means right at their disposal. Right? That's just what I've come to understand is human nature. There's very, or even talk about humans, I think like animal nature, right? Like mammals, like there's very few animals that you can just push into a corner and won't do anything. Very few people who just go into the corner and like submit. Even your most precious dog or cat, you put them in a corner for too long and start to strike back, right? And so you're dealing with, at the end of the day, human instincts, animal instincts. And so we understand that repression, whether it be state-sanctioned violence by way of the police or by public health disparities or environmental racism, like we experienced in West Oakland, whether it be open-air prisons, like you get in the Gaza Strip, right? Whether you get the illegal occupation of the West Bank, whether you get the NAPCA, the Nexler, right? All these things we're going to talk about. Eventually, come on, my dog. People are going to fight back. That's what happens. They've always been fighting back. And this struggle has reached a historic stage, right? Where the ignorance of the Zionists, the ignorance of the Israelis, the ignorance of the Americans, the ignorance of the Europeans is being matched by the steadfastness, the faith of the Palestinians, the access of resistance, deciding that it's enough is enough and that the people are going to unify, the people are going to decide that a new day is going to be born. And that new day is when Palestine will be free. Ultimately, the will of the people is being enacted through struggle, through resistance, right? And we understand that according to international law, that all of this is legal. Several colonies are illegal. Genocide is illegal, right? And according to international law, colonized people have the right to use any means necessary, all and any means necessary to stop from being colonized, to stop the genocide. Right? So we're seeing this historic, historic time in history. You know, I was talking to one of my old Jesus, yeah, you know, when we was doing this free Palestine stuff back in the day, like, I would have never imagined that this day would have happened right now, back then. You know, so it's a testament to the will of the Palestinian people. It's a testament to the will of the access of resistance. And, you know, Palestine will be free. It's not a question of if anymore. It will. That's a fact. If we're going to talk about the Palestinian situation, we first need to be able to define the material occupational force that is the contradiction of Israel and its political ideology of Zionism. And we need to define it in its relationship or lack of relationship to Judaism, because a lot of the rest of the propaganda that we're seeing, which we've come to understand as a method of fascism, right, where people will shift the narrative to making this as if this is a fight, or not a fight, I guess, an attack on the Jewish religion, because that's what Judaism is, a religion. It's not a race. But people have posed the Holocaust, right, really turned this into, yeah, making it into an ethnic, I mean, they, based on their settler colonial practices turned into an ethnic group, right? But that seems to, that is here or there. My question being right, is Judaism Zionism, right? We have to, how would you define it? Well, there is no religious basis for a Zionist Israeli nation state. There is no religious basis in the Torah. There's plenty of rabbis of Orthodox Jews who follow the Torah and are opposed to Zionism, because they're nowhere in the Torah, does it say? You can set up a fascist, racist, ethno-state based off of the Torah, right? So from a religious perspective, it's completely forbidden based off of the Torah. At the same time, Zionism is a religious movement of Jews, right? A pseudo-religious movement, right? That's why I say pseudo, because it is not based off the Torah, but it is using the Torah. Not based off their religious texts, but manipulating their religious texts. It's manipulating religious texts for a political movement, but it also comes from certain theological misinterpretation, or using theology to put it into material reality of a nation-state of a genocide on a nation-state. So you did have rabbis early on play a role in terms of the early development of Zionism, right? But you also had people rejected, right? The opposite of that. That's what any kind of religious crusade, right? Whether you talk about the Catholic Church, and is it Pope Alexander and his decrees, right? That's more than that. Again, so it's a product of Europe. It's a product of Europe's problem. It's a product of European fascism and people being discriminated, but also, you know, Jewish people were discriminated in Europe. That is a fact, for sure, right? And at the same time, this movement came from that and then wanted to have a discrimination, a genocidal movement against Palestinians, right? So it isn't true to the Torah, but at the same time- But Zionism must be a push before the Holocaust. Yeah, oh yeah, exactly, right. It was a push before the Holocaust, right? But that was a product of discrimination of Jews in Europe, right? That's why I say it's a Europe problem, because Europeans, other white people, were discriminated against Jews. Just the people that confused what you said were like, okay, this is born out of the Holocaust, which I would say it grew like blue legs, but yeah. Right, so understanding that historical position, but I think people will say, oh, Zionism is secular. I'm like, no, it's not. It does use religion. It uses Judaism, right? It uses Jewish people to push it, right? It is really flagged. This also has certain implications of them wanting to cause a rapture. You know what I'm saying? But people will deny that reality under the name of quote, unquote, dialectical and historical materialism. You know, sometimes these atheists will just be like, oh no, this is just all about- This is strict political- No, this is- This is- You feel me? This is actually a pseudo Jewish movement to set up a so-called Jewish nation-state at the expense of Muslims, at the expense of Palestinians, at the expense of Arabs, at the expense of the African world as well. Yeah. It's a political, military, economic front for the West, right? Israel was created by these Pan-Europeans to benefit the interests of Pan-Europeanism, to benefit, at that time, the so-called British Empire. They needed a nation-state to be able to carry out the will of the British Empire, right? There's top dogs to imperialism, and then there's runts. One of them runs as Ukraine, right? But the top dog of imperialism at that time, when the so-called nation-state of Israel was created, was the British Empire. Now it has evolved into the United States of America, becoming this Pan-European top dog, right? And it uses the- And it's set up, and it is the material impact of it, right? The day-to-day operations to exploit Palestinians is to steal the resources, is to commit acts of genocide, and to advance the interests of this economic, military superstructure of Pan-Europeanism and NATO, right? That's what's going on right here. It's meant to contain West Asia to the interests of Europe, to the interests of Euro-America, right? It's meant to contain Africa, right? North Africa, East Africa, right? The African continent in different ways as well, right? Because of its geopolitical location, its geopolitical relevance, right? So it's a user's religion, and it has a religious element to it. I say a pseudo-religious element, because there's no basis in the Torah, but we can't erase the Zionist Jews going up until the Al-Aqsa Mosque. You feel me in doing their Talmudic rituals, right? So there's this religious element to it that can't be denied. I say pseudo again, but it's playing a role, right? I would say that, but Zionism has this no basis in the Torah. No basis, and there's a lot of Jewish people who are anti-Zionist, right? There's also Christians who are Zionist. Joe Biden's like, I'm a Zionist. He ain't Jewish, right? So you could also say some of these Arab nations, you know, and they leaders are Zionist. You talk about when a Saudi Yemen launches a missile in the Americans and then the Saudis take out the missiles. It's protecting Zionism. So it is a religious aspect, a religious element alongside the interests of Pan-Europeanism, right? The same way the Crusades, they're like, okay, there's economic interests that we have right now to protect the quote-unquote church, and they put a cross in front of it. So there was that element of it and that I think sometimes people don't want to discuss that. Yeah. The biggest takeaways I'm getting from this is Judaism is one of the world's oldest religions in Zionism. African. Yeah. We was watching a movie the other day. I was like, you ever heard of the African Jews, right? Is it African? It is one of the world's oldest religions, right? And Zionism is a political ideology and objective that was born out of the 19th century pushed by Theodore Herzl, right, which sought to establish a Eastern European Jewish settler colonial state. These are just the facts, and these are not our words. These are their words, right? Well, you talk about what you mentioned in our last episode, the Belfort Declaration, right, where Arthur Belfort, the bearded secretary of state, said that I will support the establishment of a Jewish settler colonial nation, right? Because if you look at in the 1900s, there is no free territory. The world is already spoken for. And in that time period, Western Europe is pretty much colonizing the entire world, right? So only way that the Jewish settler state can be produced is through coalition with the Western European world. That's just historical facts. And see, in present day, we're seeing the coalition of the Eastern European Jewish settler state and the Western European world. And I do want to state one last thing, because people might siphon through what you said and miss this key part. You did say, in fact, that there was persecution and oppression of Jewish people. You're not denying that, but what we can't do is frame Palestinian resistance against Eastern European Jewish settler colonialism, Zionism as an anti-Jewish movement. And so I want to ask you, what is the power behind framing this situation? Ask religious persecution? And also, why isn't this same, I guess, outlook being applied to all the Muslims that are being killed? The first thing is the Western world hates Muslims. The Western world hates Islam. Euro-Christianity hates Islam, right? Even if we look at the formation of the Zionist state of Israel, it was because they needed to contain the Ottoman Empire. Europe needed to contain the expansion of the Muslim world, the self-governance of the Muslim world, right? So we look at that as a historical fact that also plays a very significant role in this conflict, right? No, I won't even call it, it's not a conflict, it's a genocide, right? So if we look at that and then compare it from the media's use of the Holocaust, you turn on the news and you would think that it was the Muslims that was responsible for the Holocaust. You see the news compare Hamas to Nazi Germany, right? Like I said, Europe did this. Europe did this to Jewish people, right? It wasn't the Muslims who did it, right? The world stood up and fought for that. World War II happened to stop the Holocaust, right? And then what happens in turn is that no one could say anything in criticizing this nation-state of Israel that it was set up under a genocidal claim, a genocidal pseudo-religious claim to land that puts Europeans that were victims of the Holocaust and then takes them to another land and puts them in a land and says that they have the right to that land and then exterminate the people by any means necessary. Like what type of sick thing is that? That this terrible event happened in humanity. This terrible event happened in humanity. And then these pan-European powers said, okay, let's now use this to advance our interests. Let's put European Jews in Palestine and take this land over and commit ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians, against Muslims. And then you can't discuss anything without being saying you're anti-Semitic, which, again, Palestinian people are Semitic people. Just not white Semitic, so I don't know. And let's be honest, these European Ashkenazis are not Semitic. Semitic refers to what? A group of languages. These are people from Europe who were speaking Polish and Russian. They aren't the original Semitic people from a historical basis. If you do the ancestry DNA test, what does that mean? So anti-Semitism has been formed into something that is specific towards Jewish people. And yes, there has been a specific oppression towards Jewish people. But if we talk about Semitism and anti-Semitism and Semitic people in general, as Africans who are Semitic people. It's Arabs who are people of the West Asian world with Semitic people. So what are we really talking about? What we have to understand is why you can't talk about it is because of the media. It's because the United States of America. It's because of the powers and the entities of Western imperialism. It's because of the war, the psychological aspect of this war. It's controlled in the media. This is war. CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, these are channels of war. These are channels that uplift the political, social, and economic goals of Israel and the United States of America. So we see the Zionist entity having deep control of the media and presenting it as objective facts. You literally have people going on these news channels talking about we are beheading... talking about Hamas is beheading children. You have the so-called president of the United States of America saying that Hamas is beheading children. You have people calling them savages, the Palestinian savages. You have these Zionists calling them terrorists. You have Zionists saying that they should be exterminated. We have literally an ethnic cleansing being called for in the media by CNN, by Fox News, by MSNBC. And who controls these entities? Zionists in your old America. And we also have to look at, in my opinion, how many Zionists are up in the United States of America's government. How many Zionists are up in the corporations. How many Zionists are actually in positions of power in this government. Like, let's look at it. Why is the CIA director? David Coleman. Blinken, Zionist. There's reports that Blinken is now becoming a part of the Israeli war cabinet. So what is a so-called... Okay, if we pretend for a second that we believe in America. Why would an American official, a high-ranking official in the United States government be joining the Israeli war cabinet? That's a whole other country. This is playing the exact role into this war and in terms of framing a narrative into creating a narrative that is justifying the genocide of Palestinian people. Right? And they collide. They get on there alive. The bombing of the hospital. They first admitted to it. Then they backtracked. And then they go on the media saying, No, we deny all... It's so insane how they can disrespect... Joe Biden could literally get on the... have a whole speech and say, I have seen photos of Hamas beheading children. I never really thought that I would see and have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children. And then the White House slowly backtracks that lie. Slowly backtracks it. But that lie has spread so much. Now, even though they backtrack it, the American public, the so-called American public, believe it. I mean, it's already resonated. It already resonated. It already grew legs. All they need to do is say it. And then they throw so much information at you, right? We were watching after the attack at the hospital. We were watching the... What would you call it? I guess the news, the conference that was held on it, and you had this Zionist, I believe it was... It wasn't Garland, but it was someone from the Israeli Defense Force. Garland is a director. Is the Attorney General of the United States of America? But some Israeli was up there, and he had all these diaphragms and shit, and it's like, you're not a viable source of information. Just two days ago, y'all was talking about Hamas did this, Hamas did that, and y'all backtracked on it. And we know, especially for us as new Africans, the history of United States intelligence agencies in these police institutions presenting false evidence at trials. I can't take anything they put on TV, anything they put in front of us as the truth. I can't take it as the truth. Period point point. But again, we recognize that the average person whose time is already spoken for, who spends an hour commuting to work and hour commuting from work, 10 to 12 hour work days, then has to go home and has about four hours to themselves. Do they really have the ability to sit here and research and siphon through all this information to locate the objective facts? Or do they have 20 minutes to sit online and let their consciousness be downloaded, which we'll get to a little bit later. But these are the questions we've got to start to ask ourselves. If you really research your government and look at these actors that are involved and who was doing what, it shows you that there is a Zionist control of this country. It's a fact. If we look at the Secretary of the Treasury, Janet Yellen, Zionist. The head honcho of the United States of America, Joe Biden, Zionist. The vice president of the United States of America, Kamala Harris, Zionist. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, Zionist. This one to Israel. Merrick Garland, like you was talking about. Attorney General, Zionist. Alejandro Mayorakis, Secretary of Homeland Security, Zion. Director of National Intelligence, Zionist. White House Chief of Staff, Zionist. Anthony Blinken, Zionist. Wendy Sherman, Deputy Secretary of State, Zionist. Secretary of State of Political Affairs, Victoria Newman, Zionist. The Office of Science and Technology Policy, Eric Lander, Zionist. These are the people who have told you that they stand by the declaration of that the Jewish European, the Jewish Eastern European settler state should be established by any means possible. So if you don't agree with genocide, why would you listen to anything that these people say? Why? Unless you agree with that. This is just a short list. Yeah, this is just a very short list. A very high people. Very high people who run the government. Wendy, you're talking about the people who own the corporations, who own a good year, who own a dove, who own an apple, who own these different mining companies. We ain't talking about Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, we're talking about these NFL team owners, these NBA team owners, these deans, right, of these universities, these board of directors of these different nonprofits. Oh, they run deep. We're talking about millions of people, bro. We're talking about our country, this country. We ain't even talking about the international. It makes you ask the question, who's running things right now? What assets does Zionist have in the United States of America? The Zionist influence in this country is deep. It's a lot of facts, right? But when you call out the Zionist influence, you're labeled a certain way. Like Kwame Trey said, how could I be... Well, Kwame Trey talked about being anti-Zionist. You know, I'm anti-Zionist. How could I be anti-Semitic when my people gave you the religion, Judaism, right? So we have to be very clear about what this is. Very clear. Because Zionism itself is anti-Semitic. Zionism itself does forced sterilization on Ethiopian Jews, on African Jews. Zionism has killed Iraqi Jews. Zionism, the IDF even beats Orthodox Jews in the Zionist state of Israel. What I want to tell you right now is that the last two NBA commissioners Adam Silver is the current commissioner. David Stern was his predecessor. These are two people, two Jewish Americans who support the state of Israel. Zionists. Again, Judaism is a religion. Zionism is a political objective. If you are a Jewish person who supports the state of Israel, the unjust state of Israel, you are a Zionist. If you are a new African born in fucking Temecula, Washington and you support the unjust state of Israel, you are a Zionist. If you are a Filipino and you live in fucking South Central, Los Angeles and you support the unjust state of Israel, you are a Zionist. So again, redefine Zionism. David Stern and Adam Silver, last two NBA commissioners who support Zionism. That makes very clear why LeBron James will tweet out what he tweets. Who's running things? So now, we got the facts. That's one thing we're trying to do is give people the facts, present them. You do your own research if you don't believe us and present them, you know what I'm saying? So what do these facts mean as it pertains to Western imperialism? When we started this outline, which was maybe a day or two ago, at that time, I believe, over 5,000 Palestinians have been killed since October 7th. Mostly women and children. Recently, the UN Security Council voted against a ceasefire, which I'm going to let you speak to speak about the ceasefire a little bit later. The UN Commissioner of Human Rights has a warning against ethnic cleansing. This is on the United Nations website, of the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights warned, and I quote, Palestinians are in grave danger of mass ethnic cleansing. This is coming from... This is not our words, this is their words. This is their international governing bodies that they created to protect the world and install peace, and peace and justice. This is what they're saying. This is a state package from the United States to Israel, including $3.7 billion for the State Department to strengthen Israel's military and enhance security at the U.S. Embassy. So all the money that's being funneled into Israel, the neglect for human life, the rejecting of the claims... I'm not even rejecting, I'm ignoring the claims from their international governing body of complicity and genocide. I think this is in addition to the removal of electricity, all the churches that have been bombed, the hospitals, right? I think this is a representation of the United States and Western imperialism really sticking to their philosophy that the world is a place that is ripe for their domination against the whole odds and by any means necessary. This is what the U.S. stands for, right? And I would say another fact based off these things is that the international world is once again being complicit in the genocide of Palestinians, right? Earlier in this episode and in the last episode we talked about the NAPCA, right? Which was 1947 to 1949 where you saw 100 Palestinians, 100,000 Palestinians killed, reportedly, right? We don't know the exact number. Reportedly 100,000 Palestinians killed and another 700,000 forced to relocate. And then you have the NEXA in 1967 where you have another I guess another, I think, like 300,000 Palestinians forced to, you know, find refuge. And so from 47 to 67, over a million people removed in this occupation of the West Bank and of Gaza, right? This is just, again, speaking to the atrocities and at some point the international world has to get real serious about its claims to wanting to see peace and harmony in the world and not letting Western imperialist powers essentially rape and pillage the world. Dictate the UN. You know what I'm saying? Dictate the international community. You spot on, bro, like one of my things that I mean it's basic common sense but I would say like it's time for new international institutions, right? Where you see the shift in power, right? Which is the first form of this, I guess, international governing body is what you would consider like the League of Nations, right? And then post-League of Nations, post-World War II you have the United Nations which is formed as a result of being in shambles in the United States presenting itself as the new top dog because what the world wasn't falling U.S. soil. And they came in at the end of the war when again, a lot of Western powers, European powers had lost a lot of infrastructure and a lot of human life, right? The United States is able to jump in on the bad wagon at the last minute and be presented as the savers based on their role on the ending of World War II, right? And so with that power the United States places this international governing body like the United Nations in New York. The United Nations, you feel me? Founded on genocide, a land founded on the enslavement of African people. And so we... Not a land that is free. Period. And so you said it we need new institutions that can actually serve as international bodies not these western fronts because that's all the United Nations is is a western front. That's all the World Bank is and the International Monetary Fund. These are western fronts that are designed to give Euro-America, western Europe its power and a monopoly and stronghold on international relations and lastly, I would say is actually time and it's time for people in their respective nations, which we'll get to in like solutions a little bit later, right? But it's time for people in their respective nations to get real serious about what they can contribute to justice. Right? We have to start asking ourselves questions because just like the United States is complicit based off of their these are our taxpayer dollars. You pay taxes? Show money. Jack Lean over there, pay taxes. I pay taxes. This is with that $3.7 billion going to. Even if you don't want to pay taxes everything you buy is taxed. You feel me? So we are complicit already based off of our economic participation which is unavoidable based off the monopoly that they've put on the world, right? But like what are you going to do to combat what I would consider that negativity you put down to the world? What are you going to do to combat that injustice you put into the world? And we're going to come with some solutions at the end but again we recognize here in the U.S. it's hard for us to get serious when what we bombarded with propaganda. What happened last night? Game one of the opening of the NBA season. Everyone goes to their TV. Who controls these networks? What's about the American Zionist superpowers? What's about to happen soon? The World Series. We are getting into the second quarter of the NFL football season. So you about to have the playoff race for the NFL. You're having the NBA start. The NBA now has a midseason tournament. You got all these movies coming out. The strike just ended in Hollywood. The western life is already so much about distraction that when we sit back and ask how did we let this happen? You were too busy watching TV. You were too busy getting drunk. You were too busy partying. These are the things we did. Not to be holier than thou. I'm just saying we got to start to question what we're going to do. We have to identify the problem. We're going to pose real solutions at the end. Again, if you ask me what the facts means, the facts means that the West is dedicated to world imperialism. The same world imperialism that it dedicated itself to in the 15th century, when Pope Alexander signed those decrees. The same western imperialism that the West was dedicated to when the Portuguese set foot on the African continent in the 15th century, when Christopher Columbus stepped foot on this continent and when the Berlin Conference happened of 1884 to 1885. This is just the same philosophy when the Belford Declaration happened when the United Nations partitioned Palestine into Israel and Palestine when the unjust state of Israel is officially declared in 1948. These are all born of the same history, the same philosophy which says Europe, European American nations will run the world, govern the world by any means necessary. We as people have got to ask ourselves, what are we going to do to combat it? That's a fact. Very simple. People were talking a bunch about bricks. My question is, what is Brazil doing? I can tell you what they do. They presented a ceasefire. I guess when the ceasefire was presented at first and you had a few countries abstain, and then you had the United States vetoed it. A few members of the permanent cabinet which was France, China, Russia, United States, UK, I think it was UK, France, of course the western imperialist powers vetoed it. A few days later, I think Brazil abstained from that vote. They were going to present a proposal the following a day or two later. They presented a proposal which didn't call for a ceasefire but calls for some type of gap pause in the armed conflict that would allow humanitarian aid to come through and China vetoed that because they said it was too weak. Why are you niggas playing? What's happening? We just talking about, how the fuck is this dying? When I was going back like, vetoes abstaining, all these things what's really going on? We talked about Governor Nussan going to Israel and his next stop was to wear China. So what does that mean for China? How much interest does China have in Israel? So what is this economic thing, superstructure or bricks when Saudi is doing what is doing? Saudi was cooperating militarily with the Israelis and the Americans. So again, we got to be very critical very critical of the international terrain and like you said is people of the world rising up and that's what is happening I would say is you seeing the masses in a different way rise up in support of Palestine that has not happened to this degree historically. So even these rulers of these nations they might do what they're doing but ultimately if the people rise up and determine that they are tired of their governments allowing US military occupations of their land then bases will go. Then bases will go. But some of these reactionary rulers have been installed by the West and are controlled by the West and when the West says bark they bark. When the West says shoot down a missile they shoot down a missile. So we have to be very clear about the international terrain and call for the support and the freedom and independence of Palestine. So all oppressed people of the world that should be called free Palestine and work to hold wherever you are see how your government is complicit see how your government funds what's happening in Palestine the genocide works with normalizes with the so called state of Israel without question we've alluded to it throughout the episode right the role that media is playing and we've talked about the role that the media is playing in positioning the resistance or the conflict the Israeli and Palestinian conflict as a war against Jewish people we've talked about the role that media has played in that but what other downloads of Palestinians are you seeing in the west right and what would you consider the biggest influence as it pertains I guess how was this manifesting as it pertains to the analysis on Israeli occupation and Palestinian resistance I want to answer this question more so from people who I think have good intentions but are falling victims to the liberal aspect of what's going on so these are people who might say free Palestine and support Palestinians but are still victims of containment strategies victims of psychological warfare being waged on the internet on the Zionist controlled social media apps one thing that I've been seeing a lot in terms of what's happening in terms of the war now is that people are saying demand a ceasefire some of these people are very well intentioned in their calls for a ceasefire but we have to ask ourselves where is this call coming from and who is making that call you know what I'm saying because if the Palestinian resistance isn't making the call for a ceasefire why are you calling for the ceasefire that's just a basic thing if the joint operations room of the Palestinian resistance has not asked and made a very public call for a ceasefire why are you doing that on the internet what would you say to people who say what about the Palestinian I haven't seen it but what about the Palestinian people who are out there saying they have no water no electricity which is very real what about that then demand an open corridor to allow humanitarian aid the two things don't have to be synonymous we have to be very specific with our language because if Israel of the Palestinian resistance and the militant resistance that is happening hasn't called for that yet that means they think they are in a strategic position at this point to where it is not needed now as humanitarian aid needed but if the resistance factions have not called for a ceasefire then why are you calling for humanitarian aid what you should do is say end US support of Israel that's a real thing because the ceasefire is going to do what this again has been a historic operation in the millions of military aid the change is real so I've seen that as a part of a containment strategy in terms of liberalizing is calling for this ceasefire and a lot of this I would say comes from celebrities celebrities putting things out for some reason any time a celebrity speaks out they just want representation they feel so good because a celebrity says something and you don't actually question what that celebrity is saying all these so called demands when did the joint operations room release demands and when did they make an infographic to post it on instagram you feel me and you're saying these are the demands of the people from Gaza this is what happens when you deal with the people who don't really understand the future this is what I mean we have to have what I would say is media literacy we have to understand and really a social media literacy you know what I'm saying so for me when I'm seeing some of these things I would say I have a ability to siphon through what's real to some degree and what's fake right okay if these demands are coming out who wrote the demands what organization is under okay who what is this organization where is it located and now how are they the ones saying that the demands were made because the resistance factions the joint operations room when they release something it's very clear when it's released by them usually written in Arabic and it's written in English it starts with a very specific way of speaking you know what I'm saying it goes through channels you can vet that information versus this infographic that's using your favorite celebrity post right so it's being critical of what is being said even if we perceive it initially to be good perceive it initially to be a part of the Palestinian resistance of supporting and fighting for Palestinian rights right because a ceasefire in many ways if they're not calling for it you can also be delegitimizing the middle-term resistance that the Palestinians is waging you know I'm saying that the axis of resistance it could be a method of ostracizing it could be a method of saying okay you're still kind of buying into these tropes of these violent Islamic terrorists right oh they need to be a ceasefire oh it's this both sides oh Hamas is this right but again that's where we were talking about earlier how these little lies are being said it's like oh people still might have that in their subconsciousness so I call a ceasefire right I could say yeah violence is terrible war is terrible but they're not asking for that right the death is terrible right especially in the way it is happening but they die regardless might as well die on your feet so if there's this historic resistance that's happening who are we to say when and if and when they want it right they when they make that exactly a savior complex it's all I want because you want your life to go back to normal basically you basically you basically want to go on Instagram and be able to say whatever you want you want to be able to do that and feel not judged you want this thing sense of normalcy without actually having a real investment into what's happening right now you know I'm saying so I think it's just being very critical being very critical is super important right and I would say there's certain narratives that are being pushed that are also very damaging as well I would say this narrative especially as it comes to like gender and men a lot of times you're hearing people on social media just say oh like the women and children of Palestine or the women and children it's like what about the men that is dying what about the men that is facing the same genocide that women and children you feel me what about the men on the front lines you know I'm saying waging this war so it's kind of this psychological aspect that like you only care because they're framing it as women and children like that's a certain certain aspect that is just completely buying into these again these tropes of a Muslim man these tropes of a Muslim freedom fighter you know I'm saying being this violent type of person rather than being seen as a freedom fighter sacrificial lamb you know I'm saying okay these men you know I'm saying this is what they're doing you know I'm saying there's a consciousness on the left that is being downloaded that is still playing into these very liberal capitalist understandings of what is going on you know and that's just I mean doesn't it make sense though when we're dealing with a I will let us hypothetically you're dealing with the room across the globe of the world smartest people who literally understand how the mind works who have an in-depth understanding of media sociology right the way that people relate to media in the way that that media influences people's interactions and relationships I only read of the FBI we're on Tupac Shakur we talked about white malice where they were doing these you know MK Ultra where people are literally studying the mind like you don't these people understand how our brains work more than we do you don't know it sounds conspiracy theories but like all these articles that come out about the FBI and the CIA and their integration into social media networks like Twitter what they come out and tell you that's why I say it's so disrespectful because they do it directly in front of your face and you still question it yeah as well another thing that I've been seeing as well is these people trying to say they want the genocide stopping to stop the Israeli regime from occupying the land of Palestinians but at the same time they be from the western keyboards from the western chairs be saying that you know a certain organization should release hostages talking about Palestinian resistance needs to release American hostages talking about Palestinian resistance needs to release Israeli hostages it's like this evil of Hamas and we need to save the hostages but these are again these people are settlers these people are settlers and these people that were you telling these people to leave beforehand they have ample opportunity to leave so many people are in their 40s released to grandmothers they've been there for that long how many Palestinian lives do they watch suffer on the return marches on Fridays and shit where is this energy at the end because this could have been avoided these people have actual homes they have nations they can go back to in Eastern Europe matter of fact they have strong ties to here a lot of them is from America that's why America said okay israelis you can just come in you don't even need a visa you got IDF soldiers on there with a pure American accent you know what I'm saying so I think these western people need to stop fixing their lips and telling the access of resistance what to do rather than supporting what the access of resistance is doing y'all claim to love democracy Hamas was voted in they was democratically elected to govern Gaza every faction of resistance from the marches, by millions of people by millions of Palestinians Hamas was voted in these are facts all the factions are united a democratic election elected by the Palestinians and now they're only seen as a terrorist group not a government so let's be real that's the typical American chauvinism thinking you know better support what the access of resistance is asking for support the Palestinian resistance why don't you say why don't you say free all the Palestinian political prisoners and prisoners of war why aren't you calling for the freedom of all new African political prisoners and prisoners of war here inside the belly of the beast but you're fixing your lips to talk about Hamas you're fixing your lips talking about we need to do this for humanitarian reasons what are you talking about first and foremost look at how Hamas has actually tried to release people that were taken captive settlers that were taken captive look at how they have tried to release them but the Zionists don't even care about their own people you feel me you see the video of the 85 year old woman she shakes one of Hamas's hands said thank you and then she was asked about it so yeah they treated me humanely so again this is why Israel's Zionist regime is in such a crisis they're losing the public media war their own people are saying Israel didn't do nothing IDF didn't do nothing the IF was hiding behind us so all these claims that these Israelis be making is actually the things they're doing they're the ones killing thousands of children they're the ones who are killing their own people they're the ones who are beheading babies they're the ones that are bombing hospitals but in typical Zionist form and typical trickery they like to blame the person they're doing it to and then they use the media that's the MO of these Zionists this is the satanic evil element of these Zionists so I think we've given a good episode so far in terms of giving a historical analysis of the situation that is going on and I think one thing we see a lot of is people rightfully so being in the streets talking about the freedom for Palestine that must happen that must happen and we must show our solidarity in the streets but what is that process so what can we as an organization do as a community do to support the Palestinians fight against the unjust western several colonial state of Israel I would say the only thing that's missing and which is a key element is delivering an economic blow to the western imperialist powers the ultimate like you named earlier in the episode all of this comes down to international finance capital the ability to make money all across the world the ability to control and dictate markets all across the world that's what this comes down to in addition to the world Islam in my personal opinion the historical role of the war of a Euro-Americans fight against Islam that's my personal opinion in addition to the need to establish and control international finance capital historical facts so this is what I would say is needed we need to deliver that effective economic blow because how do Saturday and how do weekend protests and a lot of these protests been going on daily but how is this really interrupting the ability for these corporations and these institutions to make money it really isn't I think we maybe spoke about this on the last episode but I know we spoke about it in Khajul where it's like not to the same scale but even if we use the civil rights movement for example in the Alabama bus boycotts it was a lot of black workers who were catching that bus and when they stopped catching the bus it cost the state money and there is the BDS movement about a boycott divested sanction do you talk a little more about what you mean where I run the economic and furthering upon that we need to deliver an economic blow to where it's not just I think this in collaboration with the mass discontent the shows of solidarity across different ethnic and national groups to philosophically morally stand against the unjust occupation in several colonial states of Israel in collaboration with not listening to the Zionist music they making money off of us every day we listen to iTunes Zionists make money off of that they making money off of us every day we stream in Netflix we stream in Amazon we stream in Prime they making money off of this they making money when we go into their grocery stores you go to the protest and you leave and then you contribute financially to the money that will ultimately go on into being these A packages and I think we're a ways from that just because of the lack of organization if you look at some of the anti-war movements of like Vietnam for example think about how many organizations were birthed or in that time period how many organizations were able to lead in I would say direct that revolutionary favor from the protest to some type of program George Jackson talks about that and Soledad brother so I personally think we're just a ways from that based off the lack of organization but you know I do think I see what's going on as a pivotal moment I think organizations that should take advantage of this raise in consciousness and funneling into direct programming if not we'll get the same situation where the genocide will continue we'll be able to see what we saw from 2020 to 2023 where you have mass protests and calls for defunding police and what has happened every year the pigs have killed more people who about to watch cop city be built in the midst of a coming off of a defund police movement right we talk about cop city the cop I guess like the smaller cop city the cop city communal that's being built in San Pablo right these are a byproduct of organizations the lack of properly organized people being able to take advantage of revolutionary forever and direct these people to very tangible things and so I think a big part of this is community education if you look at any liberation project whether it be a communal or national scale is being able to properly educate the people on historical development and the contemporary manifestations of that historical phenomena and then being able to make sense of it and define it and realize the role that they play in establishing it and the role that they can play in delegitimizing it and ultimately eradicating it so we need community education in Palestine especially with all like you alluded to all the misinformation that's being out there which is why we'll be doing community learning next week right it's part of that dialectic that part of that process that scientific process that community learning in collaboration with the programs that will be held that week and the days to follow and I don't think we need to have like that what they call like a Fabian approach where you know they like I think it's a lot what liberals do, neoliberals do take time and take time but we do need to be committed to protract the struggle there are things we can do right away in terms of educating and programs that actually meet the people needs so that we can have a material base to deliver economic blow to where I can tell you look at well let's say Israeli ship is not being docked in Oakland Kaiser workers do not go to work today we shut this hospital down but and if you need help community if you need help come to people's programs mobile health clinic or come to people's programs warehouse so whatever we got doctors there from Kaiser that's going to be supplying y'all you feel me teachers one school don't go to school today parents the teachers from this school and the parents from this school don't go to work students don't go to don't go to class we got these different communities and as we partner with y'all come here right these are like actual tangible ways that disrupt the economics and the ecosystems of nations of cities right especially us in California if we can start to really dismantle that this is how Gavin Newsom how the hell he gonna go to Israel you feel me like this is the type of economic and material blow we have to we have to deliver because if not you know I would say imperialism you talked about talked about being an octopus right now these different tentacles and I also say that imperialism has the ability to like regenerate and self heal itself you feel me like if you stab it one place it's going shit it's going to heal itself up right stab it again heal itself up and so we need to be able to really deliver that blow where you can do what you always allude to and what George Jackson alludes to and like cut it off at his head and I believe that an economic blow is essential to cutting off at his head and true economic blows can't happen without mass organization so it would be nice to see where some of these unions and I don't know what some of these unions and shit is doing right now I can't you know but like you said I didn't do more research on that but like you said like if a boat couldn't dock here if people wasn't going to school if we shut down a department at Kaiser Radiology Department but you can still get your X right here so they ain't making any money but people still getting the services these are like we tied to the 13th amendment that's keeping people enslaved through the prison industrial complex the prison industrial complex that is forcing people who was locked up to make goods for the military like these corporations that are supplying weapons to Israel right we need to have that mass blow and organize around those tangible things and have revolutionary organizations that is committed to that first word revolution not reform right because they ain't no reform in Israel it's one Palestine right so ultimately we got to build these programs in the community to be a vessel to be a offensive vessel for decolonization to mobilize the people around concrete tangible objectives you feel me and show people that we can win because what I recognize as some of these protests there are I would say like clusters of organizations right but like we won't be as strong until we're all together like there's not a single organization that's just bringing all the people out right like we need coalition building to actually have a real impact on what's going on if not you just keep getting kind of this like I would have kin it's like anarchy where you have all these different folks coming in with their kind of own objectives and until you bind it by an ideology which we all claim to be like anti-capitalist anti-imperialist ideology and you got to have an actual program to it like what what has happened post like what groups that we've worked with post your speech I don't know what groups these programs I don't know what programs these groups have but like I don't know what programs we have to where like these people can actually come and talk to whole projects that we deal with whole schools that we deal with you know what I'm saying but the imperialist show us all they do is click up all they do is sit down at the round table and break bread and figure out who's going to get the concession here they align on things and we need to follow the formula because it works that's just my opinion based on you know history for the people for your land for your political prisoners for your prisoners of war for your new african political prisoners of war for your palestinian political prisoners of war for your land