 And we're live and we're here to listen to me, Gush and Alan rant and Jimmy and Alex feel relatively neutral about Bring the book upstairs like every time I'm on a live about a book everyone lifts the book and I'm always like No one lifted the book except me. So I have the spider on Kindle. Oh also for anyone that needs the book I just Went to Amazon to like link it and fun. It's one ninety nine on Kindle right now. So Wait are the sequels also one ninety nine, I don't know let's find out I haven't bought the other in physical yet because the wolf is the only one that I have physically Look at that Alan. I know y'all saw me get that off the bookshelf my grab boy Pretty fancy I Can get the Kindle version for free right now and it is also a dollar ninety nine because I have Kindle points apparently is this a thing? The call, you know, good job. You're welcome. All right. Well I've read it seven times Alan is now read it twice Alan is demonstrating a pincer movement I Mean it's pretty good advice Wait, wait, have you really read this book seven times? I really have What a nerd Literally, I have already told your goons that No, no, hold on if you freaking when you next month you and your you and your brood when y'all read freaking winter king if you come back Hating winter king I will like I will just burn your entire civilization now around you because there's no way that you read this book seven times and give it like Five stars every time and then you trash winter king So let that be your well learning on your way You know who would be also angry with me if I did that is Leo Karoo who's a huge fan of Vernon Cornwall Okay, good Good That's he was very obvious with how this book reads that he is a big Cornwall fan. I'm also letting him And I'm not I'm not telling you how many I have a Pre-determined written down may be favor amount of times. I'm gonna listen to you say oh just wait till the cuckoo When that reaches that threshold I'm logging out. Am I not allowed to know what the threshold? No, no So use it sparingly because you should have thought of this before you read ahead, Leanna Seriously, it's not like you read the whole series and then organize this It's like hey guys, let's all read this together so we can read the cuckoo together. Oh by the way, I'm reading it now It's not my fault. Oh You're right. You're right a gun was held to your head Tell me if you reached out if you reached out to an author that you admire for an interview and their new book had come out recently So it is your fault and you started it. They said they could do the interview like immediately Wouldn't you also be like well shoot? I better read your book immediately. I would say okay But I haven't read your book yet. Is that okay? And when they say yes, I'd like oh, I'm sure he would have been okay with it I wouldn't have been okay with having the opportunity to talk to him and not be able to ask him about the next book Your problem, then it's still this guy. This guy knows what he's talking about. Thank you You're ableist because I'm crippled so I Mean that is nothing to do with me reading it Like oh crippled God can't keep up. So I'm just gonna read it now. That's what you did Jimmy and Alex also have not read the cuckoo. Did you say crippled guy or crippled God? I Thought you said God. I'll be honest. That's what I'm gonna pun I wasn't even supposed to be here. I mean I I said guys You were originally supposed to be here and then you weren't supposed to be here Jimmy needs to make up for skipping out on Empire. Yeah, it sounds like I missed a real doozy You're you're glowing Livestream about the vampire really good. I mean I'm never gonna forgive you for that Hey, Alan Evie says you have all this pent-up ranting and that I'm getting more than I usually would is that I was literally just dusted in a freaking buddy read and I thought I could trust you and Betrayed me too. So like don't even start. I would never have in other circumstances Never done that even one time until he reads with me. He's gonna do it again Also, it's your fault if that my camera never works and that my microphone never works If I'm ever in a live with you Jeopardy or talking about some book something malfunctions My I'm playing with my camera height, but I have to wheel behind my computer. I can't just stand and fix it What if you fix my mic while you're at it? I'll kill you Oh Alex what'd you think of this book? It was fine Jimmy Jimmy China China. I have no strong feelings in any direction on the wolf Yes, I am very much look. It was it was Midas. It was exactly It was fine. I mean I didn't hate it. I didn't love it I'm not I wasn't super attached with any of the characters, but it's not bad. It just There is something wire Why is this happening? I freaking put in the freezer to save it, but it's been out for an hour I was like, is this a sonic ad right now? Blast and I'm holding it by the spoon. I was trying to understand what this meant about your feelings about the wolf I was like this symbolizes nothing I was trying to eat my ice cream while Alex was talking. I could the wolf is a frozen sonic milkshake This represents Albion. I couldn't have said it better myself First of all when I first saw that it was Albion. All I can think of was fable because Alex they've put the kibosh on fable for there's no gonna be any fable for really depressing Yeah, they just like they were just they just announced it that it's it's trashed Terrible the James Gunn take over that that franchise to oh my gosh and replace Peter Molyneux or whatever Anyway, the wolf was cool. It was okay. I Think I'm a little more but I liked it. I had a good time with it and you know the are you gonna continue Alex? Thank you. Yeah, I already read the spider. Oh, oh, did you did you like it more? Yes. Oh I'm still not in love with the cast. I'll put it that way. Yeah, I mean they're pretty Like honestly, it's not the most endearing cast I've ever had Yeah, Leanna take that I cried the first time I read the spider I haven't read spider. So maybe I'll cry too. I don't really But I feel like for how generic Roper is as a protagonist like just really generic I was I Was behind him because it seemed like in this world everyone's so rough and gruff And he's not like I enjoy that about him and his surroundings And I do Enjoy seeing him have to like tread his way out of the heaps and piles of trouble that he is in Yeah, and it is fun to watch someone start like behind because a lot of times the fancy people start ahead They fall behind and then return to glory but with with Roper I mean he just inherits a big pile of crap and has to like get his way out and I do like that about him Like he's resilient He's a bit of an underdog, but I I don't know I think part of my issue and this goes with the book is the reason why it's a little bit harder to like Get really invest in the characters is because the perspective is so close to the character that there's no room for interpretation for me Like Roper tells you everything. He's thinking so I can't be like all that When was that remind me there's a kind of surprise that you don't know I don't are we should we do spoilers like people if they're here So like Roper's strategy to get back into the hindrance. You don't know what that he's gonna do that until that is You've Warren's head and he's like got him Just kidding don't go No, that's true. I think it's whenever he's he's being cunning though like Roper is pretty smart and It's like he does something smart and then he thinks like oh, you know why that was smart Is because it was this this and this and I'm like, yeah, I know Like there's and he does this in the way he writes too because there's a moment where they talk about Roper's dad's sword And I can't remember the name of the sword, but he like what is it right shock? Yeah, bright shock. So they explained bright shock and say oh that was my dad's sword and he swung it and was wild I was like, oh, it's kind of cool and then like I'm not even three pages later They say bright shock and then he says, you know, like my dad's he didn't say, you know but he's like my dad's sword and I'm like I Got that Literally that same complaint when we're not about bright. Yeah, you know about like that like part of my problem And it's a debut novel the part of my problem. Yeah, he was like 25 when he wrote this just I do not think he trusts us as the readers to remember what happened. Yeah your pages ago Which I also think is it's cuz I don't disagree. I just like I just don't care because I just love being in the world But like what's also crazy to me is like for an author where it's it's fair that you're like criticizing it for like him I don't know if it's over explaining. It's just repeating itself because it's like you already explained it It's not that he's explaining it too much. It's just that he's doing it again but anyway for somebody's Explaining things in the book a lot. There's so much that he never actually explains And that like I only know about because like I read his blog and now I've talked to him And I'm just like like literally like when I asked him there's so many things like when I interviewed him I didn't actually think that I would learn that much It would be more like nuance to stuff that like a little bit more detail about how he came up with stuff like oh my god Like the names so the reason That Katera's family The Vidar are called the Vidar and then you have a Lothbrook family and you have the Jormen record is because Neanderthal was over all of northern Europe once upon a time and that it all Neanderthal all kind of got condensed into The UK area and so he's like well an I alternate fantasy like this also was the case But they developed culture also all over there And so the names are like representative of these places that they used to be a part of that They used to have culture and their names are from like a more Hebrew sounding name and a more like Scandinavian sounding name and like they have remnants of that in their family names still and it's like none of that's in the book It's just like that's what their names are and that's why their names are that he never explains that He explained while the why the Neanderthals in Britain are using the Spartan system of government with e4s and the Krypteia All of that is Greek Well, the Krypteia doesn't work like the Krypteia does in Sparta Sure, but it's the Greek word like it's Spartan the Krypteia the secret police is the Krypteia I did ask him that and he said it's because the word Krypteia is just too good a word not to use That literally has no basis okay, cool same thing with the e4s the e4s are also part of Spartan government The Krypteia is the best part of this book and they're barely in it Jimmy Alan's acting like the Krypteia right now But I okay, but still talking about how roper when you were just saying how like roper in the beginning of the book Like is starting out like behind or whatever So when I was asking him about the Krypteia And you know how he came up with that because like that's not how the Krypteia works in Sparta Like it's very much his own thing how the Krypteia works And he was like well originally I thought the Krypteia would be like kind of like secret assassins that would work for the black Lord that they would be at his command and he could like send him out But he was like that made him way too powerful like he'd be a desperate Basically, and like he had nothing against him then so he's like I know they work against him And he's like roper everything would be too easy for roper if like if he had the Krypteia at his back I was like, I don't think roper would agree. He has things too easy Came up with that idea halfway through the book when the Krypteia guy first meets with him at the very beginning That sounds like his previous idea and it sounds like as he was writing it He's like, oh wait, I don't like that anymore and he just changed it because I don't agree. Okay, cool Because like the leader of the Krypteia is the first person to actually like not be awful to roper But that does I don't interpret that as like that means the Krypteia rat is back in call the Krypteia very much approach him and like Hey, you know like we don't necessarily we're not necessarily invested in seeing you fall We might actually like to see you stay so show us why that's worth it and like that doesn't read to me as like We are your servants Yeah, and I believe roper actually says the best case for like the easiest cases for me to die Yeah, the guy's like, yeah, so tell me why you shouldn't and roper's like, I don't know. I don't really want to be here anymore I do think whenever whenever dude leaves he says kind of like, you know, we will move against you if we have to so I I kind of remember really enjoying that first conversation with the Krypteia I can't remember the guys and I'm honestly, I'm blanking on all the names besides dude is dude. Okay. Good dude number one Who is the dude with like the crazy ambition that they were like do not use him roper Big tear Did really really like that character I like the fact that someone's like using this really dangerous person instead of it just being like he is crazy Yeah, it's like he's actually a loose cannon and loose cannons always like one of the best tropes, right? And then the whole end. Yeah, dude. I Yeah, it's like I feel like there's such a sense of foreboding when like you get why roper has no real choice But to use victor but everyone is like don't use him. Don't talk to him. Don't do this and you like I'm doing it though Oh They're reasoning for not letting big tear in the sacred band is like it's a secret guard Sorry, I'm a historian. There's a real thing called the sacred band. Anyway Kind of music play it's It feels so manufactured like oh, I can't give big tear what he wants So therefore now we're gonna have this huge conflict It seems so flippin arbitrary that they can't just make the dude part of this random band of Like powerful men like the 300 other random bands of powerful They never give a good reason ever for why he can't join the sacred guard other than oh He doesn't have the temperament to be in this neither does you voron? Shut up So it just feels so forced on why they can't give it to big tear like I like that that creates conflict I do I really like that I really like that there is conflict I wish there was a better Reason like I wish there was something better that they couldn't give to big tear as opposed to like the black lore Who's the head of everybody can't just give the right the guy some random position in this warband? It's dumb So I kind of viewed him and this is probably way off But like my brain just goes weird places I kind of like imagine him as like an Aleister Crowley type individual does that make sense like kind of like an outcast and Sure, you know what I mean like that's kind of how I imagined the spider But yeah, I don't really remember a lot of the reasons why there is no reasoning his temperament I'm sure there's a reason Random band but the sacred guard is like literally top shelf like there is Who has a terrible temperament for all the talk about like don't let hatred and revenge take over your heart All anyone in this book does is talk about how much they hate people and wanted to take revenge That's why they're like we should try not to because we clearly want to real bad Like it's choking on its own pretension just stick big tear in it freaking rope was the black lord. He can do what he wants You know, it's better my whole kingdom crumbling and me almost dying because I can't fulfill this arbitrarian promise Alan would you say that you would be in support of roper being a fascist? Would you say it's proto fascist? Isn't he always pro fashion? Alan loves Alan's pro colonialism. He's Guess what guess what guess what guess what I am pro empire in a book and I can not I can be your monster I I know I know you're right. I can like a police officer in this world and like it when he punches The bad guy on around or about the face because he's fictional and I know he's the good guy I Cannot like that in real life. You see you see how those two things are different I can't reconcile this how one's made up and one's real life like like I can be in favor of one and not the other That is possible as a human being This is too advanced for me. I Haven't learned these You guys are like talking about sparta seeker police and stuff just I don't know why you're like assassins. You must hate human life. You love you love people assassinating assassin lovers fascists You heard it here first What's happening? Is that I'm forced to be the voice of reason because you will not acknowledge it's stupid that he doesn't give big gear a slot I Think saying it's stupid is a little bit extreme I Don't know how to discuss something in a manner. Well, so how do you feel about Bellamy's? Bellamy's is fine except that his name means we make war that's literally But did you ask him why he says the word up start Does Karoo use the word upstart as much in the spider as he does in the wolf I Can't say he doesn't use it more That is what that means wow, I didn't know that I know upstart is upstart is frequent Every time someone's call somebody Lord. I immediately just hear Uhtred. So then I'm like, oh that's kingdom I Like Bellamy's the anthropologist like I like that Bellamy's is studying them and like I do like that like I like that about Bellamy's He's one of my favorite characters because of that And I don't like that they literally call him upstart like all like I like I hate it like I hate it stop Like I understand like being annoyed by that, but hating it. It's just so intense It's I don't like hate. I don't like being annoyed by things I read It was it was it that was the only thing that was distracting to me the second time through was how often says Upstart cuz I can hear it this time. I did I'll be I actually didn't notice it now that you say it I can recognize the fact and now you've ruined the spider for him. Good job I feel like it's one of those things though where it's like once you fixate on it You can't yeah, unsee it or unhear it I can't I will happily read these books and not care how many times they say upstart It's like Brad and Sanderson using side everybody sighing all the time Constantly and now I notice it and I can't I like Bellamy's though One of the better I like Bellamy's more than roper as far as like just wanting to be in their head I wish I would have got a little bit more maybe Well, there's a lot of Bellamy's in the spider. Yeah, I think someone said that like the second book is a little bit more focused on the south Is that right? um well Like location-wise. Yeah, I guess the conflict is predominantly there and there's also a What because they ran them out of the north. Okay. I just did a look up Alan Upstart is used two times less than the wolf Goody, can you tell me what that number is? It was 30 times in the wolf and it's 28 times in the spider. That seems Less than Seems totally reasonable actually Your entire case is destroyed. I don't mind when they refer to Bellamy's as an obstacle apparently you do shut up Not the whole thing of my point liana I mined when it's in the narration and it said the upstart went to the and I'm like Why is the narration calling him upstart and when they when they address him as upstart like oh Upstart, what are you doing? I hate those two situations? I don't mind it when a guy's thinking like oh that up starts coming up here and like like I don't mind that I mind it when it's become like his title But that's a stupid title Because why is his name upstart because it's also an insult the way to put him in his place It's like a facetious title like okay lord upstart. Yes. I'm fine with that That's not how they use it most of the time like many of them are okay it's when it transcends into like The times when I'm just like why like no one no one who is really speaking would ever use that word here in this in this case It's so unwieldy Anyway, it may not bother you it bothers me so what? You know Leo crew is watching this right now writing a sequel trilogy just going upstart upstart Downstop downstop Matt I get that I liked belemus, but not my time with him. I get that I get that Well, as I say when um jimmy you said you liked belemus better than roper, but does that mean you're rooting for him against roper Oh, no, not necessarily. I don't and that's maybe my problem is I don't necessarily find myself rooting for roper Um, I'm rooting for fig tear Honestly, I I mean I just want to know more about him So like in a way that is the character that I most invested in because I want more time with him But it's not fig tear I don't yeah, uh fig tear not so much belemus. I mean I want to see belemus, but fig tear is like mysterious like person Yeah, there's like an aura around him. So I want even more time with him or at least around him Um, you'll get it I feel like um, I'm not necessarily rooting for anyone as much as I'm really curious to see how the whole thing plays out Like the whole geopolitical aspect of this is relatively straightforward and simple But it is good like I do think he does a good job with it. I think the battles are pretty okay I do have a problem with the lightning um So I asked him about the lightning and he said there was two reasons he did the lightning One because he read about an actual historical battle where that happened And he likes the idea of like of randomness and chance and how like it's not the best guy that wins It's often completely out of your hands like who wins a fight and how things shake out No, I'm not done yet And the other reason is to preserve the reputations of both roper and belemus so that neither really walks away completely defeated So like to build up them like now meeting again in a future clash Yes, I know um, I mean He's absolutely correct like so so much of especially like, you know My specialization like western like western civilization was decided on the battlefield by luck not not necessarily the Like best tactics or anything like both alexander the great and caesar were two of the luckiest human beings alive were random chance in the middle of a battle like Changed the course of history where someone should have lost and then all of a sudden Something random happens to the other side that turns that that turns the entire time alexander the great was lose was literally about to lose because uh a brilliant greek general working for the persians was like Like basically taking over greece while he wasn't there and it was going to work and then he has a heart attack guy just died has a heart attack and Then that was it and that was it and alexander won because he no longer had that guy that guy behind him like You know setting fire to the islands And and just like nothing had nothing to do with alexander alexander was like i don't have a fleet How do I stop this guy? Heart attack done so so much is decided by luck But I understand what jimmy's talking about is when I teach this stuff in my classes if you wrote this in a book It feels hackneyed like it feels Like it stuff that happens in real life all the time you write in the book. You're like, that's cheap. That's cheap Well, it's real So at first it comes to Calvary or like a day of sex monkeena except it's weather So at first I was I read it and I was like But then I thought about and I talked about it a little bit and I said, okay I'm actually fine with the lightning like we'll just throw it in there and I actually like his justification for using it But I felt like the fallout from it wasn't enough like I know that they kind of rally behind it but like I wanted to feel like true like amazement by like the masses on that side to be like Literally an act of god, you know what I mean just happened less so like Gods are with us raw, you know, it's like I feel like that would be almost an enlightening experience for people Like it would be like life changing almost Which maybe that gets explored in the sequels, but it felt like how fast we moved on after it that it probably won't be That's my guess. I don't know that for a fact So yeah, I felt a little bit weird about that But I did think the battles were good other than that. I thought they were really good And now that we mentioned Cornwell, I totally I see it now that makes so much sense Also for we're like talking in Saxon and it's like kind of the same like Setting sometimes and yeah, it might please Alan to know that his inspiration for Roper's character was Shackleton Whatever sorry repeat His inspiration for Roper's character like the type of personality he'd be whatever was Shackleton I don't know if that is oh no You don't know who Shackleton is. I don't man fake a story Oh, sure. Um, you're right. Ernest Shackleton was an ancient greek slash roman Historical figure. No, he's an explorer. I just looked it up. I actually didn't know Shackleton, but yeah I'm reading about him now. Oh matt said something I said if I didn't know better I kept waiting for something supernatural to creep in and I was also waiting for that and to be honest I didn't know that there was a historical like liana. You had mentioned. I didn't either. I'll think Yeah, I didn't know any which also is something that he never explains in the book Like he never is like narrative here. Let me explain what's happening That's why I was listening to liana talk about it in her review about that. I was like, I didn't know any of this It makes it better. It makes it a way in my opinion. I think it makes me cooler Shackleton the he's the the ship in the north pole that gets stuck right that's Shackleton Sure, I think so the ones that are trying to find the straight. Um The he bought twitter That's Elon musk Yes, yeah, that was Ernest Shackleton, but twitter I always get those mixed up That's what inspired roper Elon musk Yeah, okay. I do know who Shackleton is. I didn't I didn't know his name, but I do know about the the I was very surprised that you didn't know about the expedition that got stuck like that trapped in the ice They had to eat each other I mean that part is not part of roper. I was gonna say is this Did you imagine Yeah, I feel like he should have just wrote like one of those like three page prologues from an omniscient like Here's the lay of the land before we got here and I know some people think that that's like Cheesy or something, but I think it would have been If it wasn't for juliana, I definitely would not have known any of that And I probably would have went into a review being like this fantasy kind of just took history You know what I mean? Like not knowing it's a historical fantasy. Well, yes, that is what it did Yeah, and I but I would probably have not seen it in a positive light. I would say So you are doing a good service for the man. I would say But because the old thing I also I mean other than like to have an opener that's like Before we start the story, let me explain what this is gonna be like if you don't do that I can't honestly see any way in the story that any character would be like Well, we're living in an alternate history. Don't you know? Yeah, we're neanderthals fyi Yeah, unless we have some big reveal or something, but like Yeah, it would need to be our present day. We're not revealing that we're not in the timeline Grace is gonna stop mid-battle and be like, let me explain real quick. What's going on? Dude, if God comes back in this and be wild so Yeah, like I think yeah, if there was some kind of like, uh On author's note or like a forward or something that's like this what this is gonna be That wouldn't be helpful because I don't see any way in the narrative. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah But yeah, I mean like other than not explaining the fact that we're in an alternate history And these are supposed to be like developed neanderthals There is a lot But he also just doesn't explain like I said about like the because I also I don't know how you'd explain That the neanderthal like they're the anachem names are from these different parts of the world and like There's just like so much like she's like Uh The angel thing is he knows it that angel thing you told me about was really cool Oh for the reason the anachem are called the anachem. Yeah I knew that one because I told you because I've Someone explain it. I don't know what's happening because He liked the idea that so in the bible you have Yeah, which is why I know it because I've read the bible lianna His reasons for naming them the anachem isn't just that he picked a random word from the bible and was like, that's why I'm gonna You know, like I thought he was a big can of anachem I just wanted to change it a little bit It's because he thought it was it would be interesting to consider that perhaps like we did encounter Like other humanoids and that remained in common collective memory And then that shows up in our stories about like psychopsis and psych stories in the bible And that like that's they if that is a memory of that then he could name them the anachem and then have also people That's why the people reference them being like fallen and being demons Giants, yeah And like um, they mentioned they mentioned in the wolf, but you don't see them until the spider There is a third race called the unhiru and they are like giants properly like they are much much bigger than Yeah, they're hinted at yeah, they're hinted at in the wolf um because I was excited I mean that's one of the things like he has a couple cards that are close to his chest And that's like one of them though. It's kind of like hinted at that they're giants Who's the leader like gormagog or gormagog? Gormagog is just like gibberish I told him that gormagog reminded me of java that I mean No, he laughed. He was like, yeah kind of We don't know who that is. We haven't seen that so Alex knows Yeah, I know but we jimmy and I haven't read the spider. Well now you can picture a job of the hook Hey jimmy, did you know that you've now been spoiled on someone you're going to encounter in the spider? Don't do this. It knows was a book two spoilers. Don't do this I've already changed the title of the video. You already got spoiled for how many times upstart is used in the spider So I don't look that makes me it's like when somebody was yelling at me for dresden because I said the name Michael and they were like that's a spoiler. I don't know that character. Shout out And you did it again Michael's a great character. He is he's probably the best character in dresden right now for me But yeah, I mean but still like back to the thing. Yeah about supernatural things happening There's so many times that's again why like I wanted to read it more about it and like asking questions Because there's so many times where I'm like, okay, so this is not magic. There's never magic So everything that's in this he has to have an explanation for like an actual real life Like this is supposed to actually work or be possible. Um, and there's stuff that like in particular There's not that much I mean, it's interesting that the like the anachem of bone blades and stuff like that But in the spider there are there is some things that I'm like this feels supernatural But like it's not he has an explanation for how that's naturally possible I mean that's kind of how cornwell rolls with the warlord chronicles Like the magic of the series is just myth and belief in that time period of what they thought was happening The last kingdom too. Yeah, like you have you basically have magic at points It's not like where viking is goes like a little bit like too far into like Basically leading into gods are real and they're actually doing stuff The last kingdom like when you're encountering vikings, they're doing all sorts of shit that they at least fully believe They're causing or that they have shamans And then you have all the sacks and they're just like these crazy savages doing Like uh, that one, uh, the witch in the later, uh, seasons of the last kingdom I remember being like, oh, are they gonna put fantasy in the show? No, it's just crazy Or like the whatever the Who's the hooded dude in vikings? But like there's where they talk to like the Oh, this year the seer but like that kind of exists in lore and there it's it's probably just a belief And these people think that they're talking to somebody that like Bestows upon them like Odin's wishes, but it's just their belief in their religion There's stuff like that but I was thinking more like actual stuff happening That's like physically actually occurring like in this wider. Um, where I'm like, okay, so they can't be magic powers like Somehow there is no magic. Yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah, I I definitely did not know that this series was low fan no fantasy pretty much, right? Like I did not know that just alternate history alternate history. I had no idea Um, so that was a little bit of a shock I wouldn't say it was disappointing though because like I do think it's like for what it is like it's good But I was expecting something different When I started the wolf Yeah, me too. I had no idea that was basically just like historical fiction or Historical fantasy. What would you technically? I mean, I guess altered. Oh, yeah alternate history is pretty good I think it reminds me a lot like of guy gravel k Um in a way, but I think leos is closer to history Whereas guy gravel k like changes every name like you'll not have any kind of like Like you're not gonna hear him say spain, but it's spain, you know, it's like Right, alan work. I agree I hear you're saying like I I I also like historical historical fantasy. There's not again There's not really any fantasy in here other than giants. So the giants are dope Yeah, I I like it. I like the I like the combat scenes and the um and the I love the politicking. I mean, I do think the cryptaea is one of the most interesting things But also like even without the cryptaea I'm sorry. What are you talking about? I mean, I'm like, I don't I don't care about the But it's like an interesting like looming threat from the shadows Yeah, I mean not really it's a it's a secret police that kills the slaves to thin the herds They don't rebel against that's in real life. That's not what they do in this book. I don't remember They're different book has done nothing to make me think it does anything else Their purpose is to depose the black lord if they feel it's necessary. That's a very different balance, right? It's the Yeah It's the Illuminati So it's someone who kills the leader if they don't like the leader Correct. Did you there's like a whole like history history lesson about that in the wolf cool They didn't do anything in this book. Like I had good at any point. I haven't read the cuckoo. That's too From you You're literally running that was so teacher of you how you marked it down on it. Like that was You're you're you're you're operating with prior knowledge. I don't know. I'm not Why do you think I've read the wolf seven times like because I think like the crypt is a cool Lena, it's okay. If I don't like the same stuff as you that's okay. I understand that's okay But I'm saying I do think the crypt is interesting I didn't eat it right. I didn't read it right. Let me I'll read it right this next time I'll read it better. It's also okay that I like it Alan Oh my god I can just as aggressively state my positive feelings as you state your negative ones. I was gonna hide behind my mic This just here to officiate this blood pet what I was going to say was yes The crypt is interesting, but that's actually not what I wanted to talk about It's all the politicking just at home like when they have to when they realize well, let's bring all the people into the hindrance Oh, fuck. We've have plague now and like the poisoning of katura and who did it and like all of that Yeah, in some ways those little subplots were kind of I just like he's just looking for all the references of You read it. You're right. I was wrong I read it better Well, very good. I'm glad we could agree. No, I like I like the plague stuff. I like because again, um The plague happened the Spartans and the Athenians um, the Athenians pulled everybody pulled everybody inside Athens to protect them from uh from the invaders and Played and uh, so so I mean I like I like that that Is what occurred and I like that you've worn could be like hey So roper is the one that wanted us to take all these people in so um So I do I like I like that also And the way how at first when victor is getting all these people down to roper roper's like well Hey, yeah, this is great. And then he keeps doing it so efficiently that he's like, um This is very fast. This is very aggressive My favorite is that we have no idea how this dude looks like pulls all these strings Like I love that like you just telling it's like you whisper a name to big tear And he just he is jack and hagar of this world. I don't know what that is So, you know jack and hagar is he's talking about game of thrones game of thrones aria faceless man heron hall Three three the valor mortgulous guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yes Okay, I read you don't want to know when the last time I read that book was no 2012 was the last time I Allen, do you think that jack and hagar was Serio ferrell No, the one minute ago. He didn't know who jack and hagar was Serio is blue beard. Isn't he blue beard with like Danny No No, no, you think that's barrio. That's not ideal. Not. Who are you saying? I'm saying in the gar jack and hagar and serio. Yeah, serio is the fencing teacher. What am I doing? I gotta stop Railing we're turning this into a song. I was inspired where did it go? What is the name the fencing teacher calls her? Doesn't he call her something? What no, I don't think so 10 years ago guys The 12s last time I read anything game of thrones and so I haven't reread it like y'all three Well, here's a question that alan go like y'all three. I don't discuss it on the reg like y'all three Listen, alan is the wolf the next game of thrones. No, and I remember Alan morgulus all the time so game of thrones meets the last kingdom Dang uthoric son of suck Alan is taking some angry pills That morphing got him feeling some way I did not take morphing even one time like big morphing user This guy Did we like the academy and katara and other parts of the story Well, the academy what do you think the academy is But wait, we don't go to the academy in this book, right? Katara does visit the academy That's where she learns the history of the crypteya and how they came to be that's right But we don't meet lios are lios jesus uh roper's brother Right. Oh, no, they're at the husk only because that's at the end. Yeah, that's right I got the mixed up because at the end of the book that he's like, oh, I'm gonna pay I'm gonna pay a visit big tears going to take a visit Oh, wait, there is some sort of a little bit of magic Or do you think at the end whenever he's drinking, uh the drink Did you feel like that was like a truth serum or is it just alcohol? Because remember the messenger isn't gonna give him any information He's not gonna talk to him and he's like no have a drink He's like I really shouldn't and he drinks alcohol. It's okay. I think he's just I think he's just Terminating him. I think he made him scared. Okay Okay, that's fair. I I took that as that that could have been like magical maybe like a truth serum I just remembered that I thought the academy and their little songs were kind of milk of the poppy. Um, but I mean the academy is there because again, he never really explains this in the book But it's because neanderthal from what we can tell probably didn't understand symbols very well So he was like well, they probably wouldn't have a system of writing then read So then how would they preserve their history with like a formalized oral tradition? So the academy like recites their history over and that reminded me of the druids Yeah, the druids wrote nothing down which I thought was kind and that's why uh scissor hated them, right? scissor Hated the druids. He devoted an entire what one eighth of his book is devoted to how much he hates the freaking druids Well, I thought the druids when I thought of the academy and that did make me like them because I think druids are cool And I used to play well now the answer to this question is yes I have read the wolf more than I've read first law What well Like any individual book because you've read the entirety of first law like five different times I mean the entirety of first law includes the wisdom of crowds which only just came out last year So no and how many times have you read that trilogy? The original trilogy. No age of madness Uh, well, I mean I read I read the first one when it came out and then I reread it when the next one was coming out And then I reread both when the third one was coming out. So like But you've only read wisdom of crowds twice Yeah, and I've only read the blade itself five times. I've read the wolf seven times But you've read The entire first law trilogy the original trilogy five times then or just the blade itself just the blade itself That I've read before they were hanged in last time you had kings four times each one Okay, so cumulatively The first law you've read probably There's more books several times over more so than the how many times have you read this fighter? twice So it's just the wolf that I like twins here. I know I'm right. It's fine. I think that's fun now, bud Yeah, really put me l in liana. My god. Got him It's good I'm currently reading the blade itself slowly and Alan went immersive reading and he said I'm gonna get hit by a car and get put in a wheelchair Understand glossed it from the inside. It's method acting happened and now he hates stairs I mean I I hate stairs because I can't get up them It's all coming together First law's great you should read more of it. I'm on I should read more like 40 I might just finish the first uh, gizal chapter Are you a big fan? Just also douchebag tool. He's a tool I mean, he's better than his buddy casper Forgot his name was Casper It sucks at the rapier like fight better idiot My daddy bought my taxi See this is why we wanted you to read first law because we wanted to hear this I am also very confident that all my predictions are correct for how you'll feel about first law We'll see We'll see right now. I haven't decided if I think joe Uh, joe ever crombie is like Too clever by half like I don't know if I think he's smug or good Why not both? Well, I don't like I don't like I think he is I won't like him That I don't want to it's writing. I mean like the writing is smug. I think I think it's made to mock Yes, Alan is still Are you kidding me? No, I'm not now. Now he's just bullying joe abacame for being smug. That's true I just feel like it's uh, it's bullying me by extension given how much Okay, so here's my example. So I haven't decided if so The game shows brilliant or smug. I haven't decided yet. Um I'll just change the thumbnail on this hated the more than He cursed Anytime with every breath he had the man who invented stares and then Pages later Glocked appraised and loved with every breath he had the man who invented chairs and When I first heard that I'm like It's clever. It's clever, but upon rumination. I'm like He's that smug smug son of a bitch. He's rhyming What defines it as smug then? What is the line? It's the different like if he's trying to like there's one if it happens naturally, it's fine But if it's trying to be clever, I don't like he can't have realized it was clever and been like Oh, it would be clever if I did that. Yeah, that's not allowed It's a feeling lianna You can't knowingly be so like alan is basically singing that one direction song about how that girl is beautiful because she doesn't know it You have to be clever But not know it Without like rubbing my face in it. Like I'm a dog that took a cramp on the rug So You could grab my head and be like look how clever I am It has to be like I don't think ever He also shouldn't do that But I'm out like I'm out The jury's still out like I liked it originally but upon further examination. I don't know if I do So we'll see Evie is that a real question because literally every conversation ever with lianna eventually falls to avicombe talk Well, I know we can't mention first off about talking about that great audiobook But let's talk about the audiobook for the wolf because lianna. Is this an audible commercial right now? This Because lianna 15 for 15% off No, no, there's not projection because I'm not actually You need to watch me have a discussion that doesn't involve lianna Like I am I must be a naturally like opposed force to lianna's nonsense But I am like I've literally never had anybody in my life Accused me of being smug in my entire life because I hate smugness like I'm anti smugger Being pretty smug right now It's a little smug. You're right. That's what a smug person is. You're going so hard against smugness that you are just I like the wolf Because it sounds like I don't because I have to balance out the fact We're literally at a conversation about whether or not Joe Abercrombie is smug and now just I drive a dodge I used to Okay, so that audible narration, huh jimmy. Yeah, so lianna you you really like the I like the audio of the wolf better than I like reading I do really like the audio book. Maybe I messed up The narrator is very and I think like he also makes it sound really old though I mean, I think he the voice that he does I think it really suits the anachem because the anachem are kind of stoic And not super emotional and like he does this like deep Voice that seal feels very like it's like all the epicness of it. Like, you know, it feels appropriate when it's voiced by him I uh, I I feel like I messed up because lianna told me that she liked the audio book And then alan said he liked the audio and I kind of stayed away from the audio because with all the names and everything I wanted to retain it which look it didn't end up working But I feel like Uh, I should maybe I don't know. Maybe I'll listen to it because I have a car ride this fighter But oh, yeah, I guess I can just do the second book Yeah, it's the same narrator. Yeah Yeah I also think that the voice the narrator does for the unhero. It's pretty good Are those the giants? Oh, I did not hear them yet No, we did not So we look forward to I like his well A lot of the voices are the same. I don't like his price voice really price sounds like a price sounds like a Like a petulant teen A petulant teen And the audio does Okay, well, how Okay How many petulant teens do you encounter on a daily basis? I encounter 130 of them They all sound like price. No, but some of them would you fight them though? Don't buy pride I like that your camera went out of focus when you said early because my mic is what he sounds like that when he talks That was pretty good. It that was actually a relief Don't buy price I just like though that You've got you got the voice down I'm just gonna redo the wolf audio Isn't he the guy who did it the first exactly but break the voice every time they say upstart Just say it really really dead saying the word upstart Alan immediately. No, I just won't read that word. I'll literally just I'll insert his name every time they say upstart. I'll say bellamas So like if it says the upstart bellamas, you'll say the bellamas bellamas It doesn't ever say the upstart bellamas. It uses it as a it uses it as a substantive It doesn't ever says it was such confidence. It does. He doesn't that she goes. Oh my upstart She'll just I'll just say oh my bellamas Doesn't she say like my little upstart Okay, actually, uh, so one of the side of patron who uh, who read this and Well, no, it's to the queen. That's why um, and they felt like the queen was a little too over the top Great value brand Cersei Like Yeah, did you all feel that way it didn't really stand out to me? I could see like after looking back I'm like I could kind of see it, but it didn't really bother me She's hardly in it That that's kind of how I felt I felt like it was more of her in the spider, but she's not really in the wolf that much Is she's still kind of like Hyperbolic, I mean Alan this is why you hear upstart so often because from page 10 to page 30 It said like 15 times That's why it got stuck in my head That's a lot to the first like two chapters. They say it constantly So half of the upstarts in that first book are in the first two chapters as a sanity Insanity I'm supposed to leave you with that lasting impression that he's an upstart and it worked on page 22 It said three times It's like he watched the uh sanderson lectures from byu because sanderson's always talking about signposting stuff Like he's like you gotta signpost the progress That's exactly what he sounds like I heard The first time and he sounded nothing like I thought he thought like what do you think? I thought he I thought Like so generic author voices like and then this went to overhead and instead it's like No The uh the 5k the And I reached out it from a science build and I'm really gonna I'm really gonna lean into my igneous skill here And uh look look at that the dps is like it's like a it's I dotted this guy for like 106 And I'm just like I didn't realize you talked so he's just I'm pleased to hear you roasting grand and sanderson Roasting I'm just saying that like that is what I it was different than what I thought Alan is making fun of sanderson's voice in the way that every teenager makes fun of every wow player It's so true Yeah, that's why that's that's like the generic bully is making fun of a nerd voice Oh, I'm a nerd. So I'm not making fun of it. I know Oh, okay. All right, as long as you understand that I'm not making fun of everything. I'm nervous No, I really mistook you for a very macho jock football player in high school From the gym. I did 30 sets of Exercises 30 sets of exercise I did I did 30 wheelies. I think Alan should join the sacred guard Are you okay? Oh my gosh, are you okay? I fallen I would not be okay. Instead. I just dislocated my shoulder. I'll write that Oh, man, now you're only gonna do 28 sets of exercise What is this picture? Yeah, that's how I was looking is that I think this is her proper. I'm trying to keep it on the wolf here. I'm trying to I'm really good. It's like it's That's roper. That's roper roper would be a great cat name. Let's be honest I think I'll I think Katero it all was that first picture from dynasty warriors. What was it? Oh, yes I know my stuff When this isn't like I don't have a this is not much of a conversation I just really enjoyed that there's a chapter called The kryptea doesn't knock and like roper is like freaked out when he's talking to katera and then there's a knock at the door He's like and katera is like the kryptea doesn't knock Yeah, like I like named chapters big time. I also thank you jimmy. They are out of favor But I always really like name. Yes, because people think they spoil stuff. Um, but I don't care Um, I'm with you jimmy. Yeah, I don't I don't know I'm I'm kind of a sucker for like things that run in a theme or that have the same flavor It's actually why I love the song of susanna, which everyone hates but like I like I'm about to read it I like it because there's like verses and stuff like it all like has the same kind of feel and uh, but Listen, allen. What do you know? What do you know? I know that book is I hate that book everybody hates that book not fill up. Am I gonna hate this book? I hope you don't fill up favorite jimmy Yeah, I think Phil's just copying me at this point though Song of susanna is your favorite? No, no, no, my favorite is measuring glass. That's because wizard and glass is the best one. It's a great Great wizard and glass is fantastic. Wolves of the call is also very good. If you like wolves of the call There's a really good chance to like song of susanna. I think There were parts of wolves of the call that were Very very slow though, but overall I liked it speaking of named chapter Yeah I could see it being a spoiler if you're like previewing a next book potentially But like if you get to a chapter and it's the name of a character, it's like how is that a spoiler? So don't read the table of contents before you read the book. How about that? Yeah, and like I don't know Blood meridian not only does it have the chapter all over the place with book discussions Now we're discussing dark tower. Yes. We're talking about everything today He literally puts like what happens in the chapter at the beginning like cross the border So-and-so dies and you're just like All right And he just says the whole thing in bullet points and then you read it and you're like, this is so weird So no names are great. I like the names of these chapters and I will say this I really like his naming like the things that he named I think roper is actually probably the worst name out of all of them But it has an origin for it like the meaning of it do tell I'm gonna know it's in the book. I'm gonna show you the meaning of it You're gonna show me you're gonna hang yourself No, this is what it is Is what are you gonna show us? Do you have a just just talking and you'll see in a second? Well, I actually love the name price by the way I just want to put that out there like at first I was unsure about it, but it's a good smooth name I mean in the book there's an explanation for like roper's ancestor who like had the like long hair that he like Braided into a rope and they called him roper Yes, and I do think that you feel the history in this book Which is probably my number one like get me to like your book thing is to make me feel like there's actually history Um, I like that even more so than like very creative worldbuilding Thank you Although like they do go hand in hand because like your world if it's not built on a foundation of history It's not very well built. That's true. But I guess even just being able to give me some Back history and then your worldbuilding is like very vanilla. I'll probably still really like the book That's probably why I liked fire and blood so much. It was just like straight history The like origin story for the kryptea that like katara learns when she goes to the academy like and makes it like not only like It makes them creepy or two because now you realize just how much they can do and also the fact that the academy is the one That's mourning her and it's like yeah, the kryptea Is probably not a great idea But also they you won't hear anyone say that because they have carte blanche to edit our history and you're like Roper is a roper is a d&d monster this thing right here And so every time I read it this is like I I for a second picture this stupid thing They and they can like they can grab your weapons and rust them, but they're called ropers And so that's what I always hear it looks like a Cthulhu monster. It's it's supposed to be like they they disguise themselves as stalactites. So when you're in a cave This was roper strategy for defeating you voron. Yeah They all stopped in the middle of combat. They're like, what's this guy doing Amanda asked in the chat if we talked about the lightning soon. We did earlier. Yeah, we didn't talk about to be fair We actually haven't discussed you voron much. I liked you voron like I I hate you voron But I thought he was like I thought he was a good foil um, like just arrogant enough but not like To where I'm just like what are you doing? But uh, like Sorry, go ahead And I was to say I actually didn't expect him to To meet the end that he did. I thought that roper was gonna pull him to his side at the end That's kind of what I was thinking I thought roper was gonna kill him at the end and he does like I thought it was really different the fact that It was it wasn't roper or him Coming to roper side. It was price like hacking him up Never fight price Gray died, right? Like gray died, right? We lost gray. You guys know no braze alive Yeah, graze alive who dies in the last battle. Oh, you voron Ropers died helma helmic. Yeah Which made me sad Yeah, he was a bro. I thought he was the first guy on roper's team I also think that he was probably put there, you know in just a way To make you think that he was the one that was gonna like turn on roper because that's what I felt because it's always like The guard or the handmaiden or whatever it might be like that's how it always goes and I was like this But I was a this guy better not turn and he didn't so I like that That also reinforces my point in that like roper names helmet or whatever to the sacred guard Why this is a great guy. He's so yes, he's not victor. Yeah temperament was perfect. Yeah, exactly. What I'm saying is it's arbitrary In regard, it doesn't mean sense. Why like I like fair I like the result of victor not getting what he wants I wish there was either a better reason Or a different thing that he didn't get Uh, that that is my issue like I think part of the like thematically the reason why that that's also the thing And it's fair that you don't think it's satisfying But I think Part of it is to just reinforce how victor doesn't belong with his own kind And that like that's like the most like the best way to illustrate that is like no matter how good a fighter He is and he is the best there is they still won't put him in the sacred guard because everyone is like No, you're not one of us and you're never gonna be one of them I don't know why that guy's is allowed to exist in their society if everybody's afraid because he hasn't actually committed any crimes Then why don't they trust him? But yes, he has like literally everyone knows he's committed a bunch of crimes everybody like literally everyone knows So they should just publicly execute him. Why hasn't the crypteya Merck because the crypteya is only there to be a check on the black lord only that so the crypteya kills one person every 100 And something years. That's all they do No, I mean they're working like four or someone pay their salaries while they just sit there for a hundred years Before they change one dude I mean what benefit would they have to kill victor though? I don't know what benefit they have to kill anybody Like they don't have to listen anybody The coin flip that so that the almighty tells them whether or not they have uh, the coin flip Targaryen's what? Do you guys in the wolf? There's a history lesson about the orchid Yeah, man, you know every one of us skipped over the hezla's we don't care Now I actually one of my favorite things in books is wherever someone finds an old book that has a bunch of Favorite things do you like it even better when it's written in italics? Yeah, the shadow was lost just did that and I like I ate it all up. I was like this is awesome So I actually like that part I think the crypteya wouldn't kill victor unless if it was something that was going to harm Like if he had something to do with the black lord or if he was trying to become the black lord himself Like yeah, like the more it wants to yeah, like the power dynamics of the holy people I think they would get rid of him. Look, it just feels to me like they want to have it both ways with victor Well roper certainly does that's why he's like, um, I'll give you a sword a real fancy sword can't be in the thick That's enough, right? No roper. I know it's not what you wanted, but No roper No, you you literally put some random dude who was not in any way qualified for the sacred guard your first day in office But I did all this for you and I like there's any sense There was like Something satisfying about roper just thinking like that'll work and he kind of was like i'll just handle it whenever it comes And then like and be like, oh, yeah, his brother's north, huh? Okay, I love I love the epilogue. I love good The epilogue is excellent Yeah, that's the thing like at the end of this book like, you know, I have some criticisms But like I do want to know what happens like I'm very curious to see how this all pans out, which is like the best Probably you could pay a series right that you want to continue it I also wanted to be Also, I have to tell you uh allen victor is a huge part of the spider, but he is not the spider Why is there spiders all over his crap? Like isn't his symbol the spider? I had someone someone actually also was like so katura is the spider right because there's a point where takoa I think it says my little spider to katura takoa is I love takoa Do you not like takoa? He's just an irascible old no takoa to Allen doesn't like anybody no takoa just changes his mind too often and too frequently every time he's mad I mean because you know when people do that. Yeah, it's mad I mean I mean, yeah I mean, I know they do. I mean, I love the first time roper goes to takoa's house and takoa is like so Why should I side with you? Until he's like like fricking uvaren tried to kill my daughter It's clearly your fault. So I'm not gonna help you anymore. And then I mean, I feel like when someone has like Something as personal as their daughter get poisoned. They would get a little mad at uvaren takoa Stop like he did very quickly retract and be like, okay fine roper. Yeah, right fine No, no, he doesn't he's like we're done. I'm finished He does say that and then roper's like hey, that's what uvaren wants. Don't you see and takoa is like Okay, fine That's not how that happens Go back and reread that for me. That's not how it happens for the eight times. He goes. All right To coa's fault. I like to to coa's fault like I like to To coa's apparently a little bit mostly at least to what to coa says is inspired by leo careers dad Then he has a dad that Would also okay, so there's like three Characters that are inspired by someone. He knows so to coa like not really the character But like the stuff he says and the ornery like jokes he makes or like based on his dad And then katara is like based on a friend from school But the one that I was super shocked by that's based on a friend of his is voodoo He has a terrible and I was like That guy in prison because he seems a lot like an evil Morgan freeman from shock Like evil morgan freeman from shawshank. So in the adaptation we were gonna have morgan freeman If as long as it's like red His name's red and shawshank, right? Yeah, it's evil like it's evil red Like I've been known to I've been known to frame people from time to time Like that's what he does now. That would have been a very different movie. I know I know which plot twist at the end. It turns out freaking red framed and he do frame Oh Stop the madness Now I want to see a different version of shawshank where red's like nice to meet you andy I could just guarantee you that like Yeah, but it's only until it's only until andy doesn't provide him with the cigarettes that he promised He's like no, he's a former smoker Never give never give red cigarettes and he gives him like, you know, like a like a like a 12 inch subway Sub instead But look it's $5 foot long and you know, that's when like, oh, I framed him It's a bad hit. I like that in this scenario. He's able to get a subway sub into prison To shawshank to the red ming. Oh my god Not red rising Stop it red But it's got to be red to rising Oh my gosh speaking of What we haven't talked about red rising. So that's one of the things we haven't mentioned today I hate the name, but yes, I'm excited for the book Yeah, I feel the same I need it. I also don't like the cover either This is zero percent chance that I'm reading those books again before light bringer. So I need a synopsis I'm sure the wiki is extensive. So is it cool? I read them again. You also know liana. So Yeah, but I don't want to I don't want her to tell me I will also need to refresh her on the first trilogy Oh, well, the answer is all you don't really need to refresh on the first trilogy It's the you mainly just need to focus on the sequels. Yeah, but I flip through dark age and like I'm not gonna lie Gone to the head. I couldn't tell you who liria is I mean, she's the red I'm not gonna get into this Okay, I mean, I'm really in it and I can fill in the blanks I know who the minotaur is And I know there's a minotaur. Yes um, and I know who Severo is took me a second. I mean, I almost said servo from the msd3k Um, and I know who darrow is And I know who wait, but also do you guys agree that roper is kind of like darrow? No I think roper is a lot like darrow and I think kater is a lot like virginia Stop it. Darrow is way too melodramatic to be in this book. Yeah, I think that's fair And if roper stopped during all of his fights, it was like, I'm against the wait. That's not her name. What's her name? Virginia mustang mustang is her nickname. Okay, cool. I know I was trying to forget her other name liana Do you remember who ephrem is? What don't remind him don't remind him about ephrem How much more lyria That's a spoiler, but yes ephrem's the worst. I mean you said lyria lyria is in the second Oh, that's who that is The other pov characters that you're introduced to Come on Lee and I have a question. Uh, did you ask leo about his writing style by any chance? um Like what specifically uh, he likes alliteration a ton and I was wondering if he touched on that Yeah, so I love this prologue. It's funny the prologue and epilogue are like the strongest points for me And the prologue if you look has really really good alliteration um Like all the way throughout a paragraph and then he's doing it with two different Scott lynch does the same thing, but um I felt like he kind of backed off of it a little bit in the book And I wish he wouldn't have and I'd like to ask him why So next time you talk to him on the horn be like, yo Next time you get, you know, a little little ring of ding bingo. Yo, leo We're that alliteration at Omar coming and then yeah, I know when I asked him like For writing like who his favorite authors are and it's like, you know, like did you were you inspired by any? You know particular authors that you like aspire to write like them and he mostly was just like well My favorites are like Bernard Cornwell. So obviously No, if you would like to no, you don't It's not that good. I like it. It's it's okay for what it is but like don't go into it expecting red rising because It's a graphic novel and it's not well written compared to anything in red rising See, I might have to buy this physical because I like the spider cover and the cuckoo cover Yeah, I like them. I in general. I think yeah, the books. They're really like classy and simple looking I like that it's each What when are you sending me the cuckoo? I mean, I was planning to surprise you with the cuckoo for christmas, but When are you sending me the cuckoo? I was also planning to send you the cuckoo So now happy christmas More what we just said I was making fun of Alan, but awesome Now I have to buy the spider so Jimmy I was being peckled, so I apologize. I'll send you the spider Alan. You're very smug just now That was a little smug There's a lot of smug Look part one The north Well done. Well said. They also go to the south Spoilers bro. Watch out chapter eight. Wait, wait I have a question I have a question for the the panel We're mad about the lightning But um, and I have seen people be like mad about the lightning But I've more so seen people mad that we were cheated um out of seeing the battle so that Roper could pull his trick for getting into the hindrun and you not know about it Because they're like, oh, we're gonna go into this battle and then you don't see the battle I'm fine with that. It doesn't bother me. You know, so many books skip the actual battle because it's not ultimately the point But also like for once like skipping the battle was actually like there's an interesting reason to have skipped it But yeah, it's a purpose. Hey jimmy. Hey jimmy what it's gonna say another chapter title Guess what part two is called one Just guess part two the south The south let's go. I've always wanted to go now go to part three Is there sweet tea there? The north westerly Part three will blow your mind Okay, so jimmy, I submit to you part one the north part two the south Part three Lunden sister Yes, this is why you need the audiobook because he says it not like that. Yeah You can't part one the north part two the south part three london sister London sister That's probably london in which is in the south which in romantan was known as londinium Nice little tidbit there Londinium londinium Hey, you know what the paperback, you know what the paperback of the wolf is missing is blood splatter Oh, that is kind of cool Have we talked about the book at all? I mean we keep jimmy keeps trying so well done jimmy. Thank you I'll try a little bit jimmy london sister That's exactly how he says it too. It's the only word in the entire book that he says that way We're going but like we haven't talked about any of the like the parts that are like about the anachem and like how they work and about That they have session and about the different words for friend and about their their attachment to the land We're trying to turn this into a freaking anthropology seminar No one cares. Isn't that why belemis is your favorite character? I mean yes, I like that also they have a bunch of words for friend They don't know how to read and they have bone plate armor. I think it's I think it's And also the fact that belemis decides to have his people wear the bone armor Yeah, I was in the middle of saying that when you screamed at me Um, because I was going to say it's also a little ghoulish that they literally put on their bone plate like Like I like though the the anachem turn around and call the legion that wears the bone armor hermit crabs Yeah That's true Yeah, what is the part about the land? Um, I'm trying to remember because there was something very specific about that It was saying that like because the anachem live for so bloody long They become attached to the land around them and what belemis didn't understand Is that because the freaking humans like don't live a long time like they don't have time Like they move all the time they move and they got to conquer and grab and consume and whatever And they don't become generationally attached That's right to to the land and so he missed he misjudged The anachem there thinking that that you know, they would all flee instead. They fought to the death You know because they refused to get off their the piece of property that their family's been on the only ones that My lawn is the The only ones that ran were the young were the the younger families the younger The ones whose descendants hadn't been there for two three four generations Together right I like that part. Um, I like Then belemis like being so infatuated with the north like that makes sense and then he brings that back and He's also kind of an outcast in his own people Like I think this is why belemis works for me. Well, and that's also why So like what he's able to bring to the table is a knowledge about the anachem And so both it's the thing that he's fascinated with but it's a thing. He's working against so like he thinks they're interesting And he kind of respects them, but he's the only way it's useful to him is if he's like working towards their destruction This map man Please tell us your problem. It's wrong with it. It's just funny Because it looks like italy If you know, you know But we don't know allen just looks funny. The map is very The map is very I found this piece of paper in my backyard. That was under a rock Why are we insulting the map man? It's very funny Never mind it looks better than what freaking like the greek philosophers drew their maps look awful Greek philosophers catching strays in our lives that right now Who has not been insulted during this one? Joe abacromby the greeks Abacromby wasn't insulted. It was he's smug. He's so smug Chapter titles saying that I accused him of that. I said I haven't assigned it Yeah Because in the wolf it's Like seasons and then in the second book. It's just part one part two and then or north south and then north But um, they also talk about hybrids when they breed anakim Dumb hybrid that's like only if I get to be your best warrior Who is that guy? What's his name daryl? That's definitely daryl. Is it daryl really? No I do remember him having some semblance of a of a very normal name though. It isn't daryl, but it's something like It's not key now. Come on. That's ridiculous. It's jake It might be Take the hybrid Is it it's not chad. I think it's chad It's it's chad officially now. It's garret garret. Yeah, I knew But they mostly call him the yotendreifend Did I call him? Didn't I say garret the first time? No, I said daryl. This is daryl Garret is better than daryl, which is the d equivalent of garret to be fair They mostly call him yotendreifend. Oh yotendreifend. I don't they mostly call him garret Alex go to your e-book and search yotendreifend and garret. Tell it right though. Otherwise it'll be zero Should I say it like that? Yotendreifend? When I brought up the hybrids, I was thinking more like the ones that are slaves like they only use the women because like they are like completely psycho and like Remember when like belimuses in this part that's like nearest to the north where they have hybrid slaves Now where he hangs his dudes for steal Oh, so are you sure cousin's name isn't yotendreifend? I definitely would have spelled that wrong Because e-o-t-e-n Dash and drayfin. Yeah, so Uh, yeah, liana that is the hybrid thing is cool And they're like mules Except for daryl No, he can't procreate Daryl, that's what I meant by mules. I mean they're like they can't you're right when you say mule I immediately go to sterile as opposed to beast of verden. You're right. That was my fault It is a point of conversation in the book Yes, but they're also huge so I just assumed beast of verden But they are also pretty used as beast of verden Steril is yotendreifend his last name. No, it's just title because he kills giant But they literally call him garret yotendreifend Yeah, that's freaking Like crap and then someone says my yotendreifend because apparently there's several people to get called my title but so well, but interestingly like I feel like when um You guys were saying that you expected roper to pull you voron close and turn him to his side That's kind of what belimus does with yotendreifend and like he is like sent to watch him And he's like, I don't want to go up there and fight with him and then as they're turning back He's like, are you gonna be my dude and he's like, yeah I'll be your dude classic daryl Also It doesn't it doesn't make any sense how belimus avoids Consequences for this like he's just gonna hide from the king and the king's not gonna be mad that his army's destroyed Read the spider and find out is this one of those things where it's like I didn't like it Therefore, it doesn't make sense. No, no no no because like if the king already doesn't trust belimus and belimus Oches this operation. It doesn't make sense that bella that the king like the king has agents to remove belimus It's not like oh, well you cross state lines Out of my jurisdiction like is there a southern equivalent of the cryptaea? I mean the king has agents up like he obviously has more soldiers than belimus But a lot of the belt men are loyal to belimus the kings policemen are loyal to In the art one of these leading an army right now and the people fighting under belimus are loyal to belimus And he is an upstart I mean, there's that he's my upset. I don't know how that gets you away from like consequences reactions, but it must I'm saying the king is a bit far away right now. I don't know anything about this Look lundensista. That's where he went. You're right Oh Upstart meaning let's look up exactly a person who is it's derogatory says google a person who has risen suddenly to welco high position, especially one who behaves arrogantly Using in a sentence the upstarts who dare challenge the legitimacy of his wool Sounds pretty accurate Sure But yeah, he's the spider because um aramilla has given him a spider brooch and that's like what's on the cover of the spider Elimus is the spider. Yeah, you realize like you just spoiled my entire take on this book So I could you don't think I could have figured that out by reading the spider I mean like I thought going into it that that's like fairly evident But I knew that you thought it was big tear and it's because it literally has a spider with big tear It's also literally has a spider with belemus when When aramilla gives him the brooch who is aramilla the queen queen. Oh diet sursey. Okay I don't know her name Terrific what was the what was the final tally on garret versus yotun hyphen Oh They say garret more, but it's oftentimes garret yotun driphen Oh, like half the time it's all three. So well, so we're both rightly and we're gonna have to live with that Can we? No, but unfortunately very little instances of derel are coming Glad you said I hope like There was just a typo randomly. He'd like accidentally named him derel on one page. I hope so I hope just some like random like Guy from the midwest just gets lost in england and it's just kind of looking for the train station home And it's just like hey there i'm derel here. Oh, you're a big roper guy. You want to point me in the right direction Why are they talking like this? Yeah, you want to point me where the next train's going to be taking me to the depot There's trains in ye olde albion. Yes, and actually garret is 108 times where yotun driphen is only 16 I would like to point out that garret is used a lot more than our more garret Hey, hey leonard, do you want to know why garret is using more than upstart because garret's his name You made it sound like upstart was on every page, you know, I would bet you the word belemus is used more than upstart. That's true Yeah, but you'll note that his title is iphone isn't uh used as many Why don't we talk about this book? Bellamus is 547 times They say bellamus. Anyway, it's a good book leonard like Like it is good It is good. I think honestly like the The worst the weakest part for me is the characters because i'm not attached to them. I get that Whether it's fair or not i was saying like it's It's like the last kingdom is really good because you have utrid like everything else is interesting But because utrid is such a good character You have that like through point But for me in this I was like, I don't when I first like when I read the wolf Obviously the spider's better, but like when I read the wolf. I wasn't I didn't walk away from it. Like oh, I really love bellamus or victor or Roper, I was just like, yeah, it was pretty good. But that's I do think the characters are like the weakest part for me I think roper is the least interesting, but I often think that's true of like main characters that you're rooting for But I think like gray like the character of gray and the way that he's like afraid of death and wants to conquer the fear of death And like unlike price and roper who love going into battle gray is terrified of it and like Is like regarded as one of their best warriors, but every single time he goes into battle He has to overcome his like Dread of it Yeah, and like the way that price doesn't side with roper even though gray wants him to up until that moment When he's sitting at the fire and they're gonna try to assassinate roper And it's only because roper talks back that price is like, you know what? I'm on your side. I've just decided I'm gonna fight for you like but and like katara. I think is a much more interesting character than she could just be like Oh, I need it made a political marriage. Yay like she actually is very useful to roper and and says interesting things and I really like to koa obviously because he's hilarious. Um I like And big tear and I mean I'm rooting for I'm rooting for the southerners Oh Like I was mad he didn't win. Um so I like that one has been a roper and I don't roper's wife's name. What's roper's wife's name again? Katara. Katara. Yeah So I really liked whenever she was thinking about them coming back from the battle And she was thinking about how people who had left are going to be changed forever Like so it wasn't just like oh, she's another like piece of roper's puzzle Which you know, that's something that happens a lot, especially in older fantasy She actually had yeah, she actually has like her own once needs and concerns which I thought was really good um and You know, she cares about her people and the people that she knew and knowing that they come back and they're never the same I thought that was a nice little touch and like that was time well spent. I thought for her character Well, also that like when roper's leaving the second time now and this time katara is like worried about him And he's like you weren't worried about me the first time and she's like, I didn't know you and I didn't care I cared about the legionaries that might die You were nobody to me um, and that like That yeah, there wasn't this like love at first sight thing and it's not like oh roper everything for roper She's like folk roper until they are actually like a unit She's like, okay, I'm on your team and I will help you and I will try to be the brains behind your brawn Yeah, and I also like like Here's how I like I know that that karu can provide like Good explanations for things There's no reason why the frickin Anarchy and can't roll over the south like just like completely Curb stopped But he justifies it by saying They it takes too long to train them like it's like the legionaries are too valuable. Yes. They can win But the cost of winning will be too high Yeah, and so I buy that because they are so grossly overpowered compared to the southerners like they're like They're much fewer of them. Yeah, they're three feet taller than them. They can't be brought down by anything except I guess cow troops um, but You know, so I so I buy that like that's that is what I buy. So I mean, I like that I like that But I also yeah I like all the times that it forces bellimus to kind of be clever because like you're never gonna arm wrestle them And win like you're never gonna win if it's just like brawn But you have you can outsmart them maybe and so then bellimus is like fine. I need to learn everything I can about the anakin That's the only way we win Yeah Yeah, he had definitely thought everything out. I think from like a battle standpoint like power levels and whatnot Um, so I don't mind so much of that explanation. I do sometimes wish that like leo's Inner thoughts were a little bit more sparse. I think but Or leo, sorry, I'm roper roper I keep thinking of leo leo from agria and him And then leo karoo. There's too many leo's about leo de caprio. Yeah, who doesn't Always said if I had a son, I'd name leo Just so you know, can it's an option I would name him leonin after leonin arbiter, which is a magic the gathering card That's the best thing I've ever heard in my life It's a great card Just so you guys know. All right. Well, alex you're not allowed to answer this question predictions for the spider I bet you there's a spider in it It's all about um, she lob. It's just like her story. Yeah, my prediction is Big tear is going to create all kinds of problems for roper um, but roper lives and big tear doesn't or roper lives and big tear goes to bellimus And that's what I want to happen really You can get your favorites to be all in one too. I know and then I want the storm lundensista and I I think roper's gonna have to fight a battle on two fronts of sorts whenever he's gonna have to decide whether he wants to like save his family or Fight some battle in the south like something along those lines where like he he succeeds in one area then finds out Like, you know that he's been duped in another That's my guess and also the thing I'm most excited about is is to see how they figure out this bellimus being kind of like Out of favor with the king also to koa definitely dies I'm gonna gonna call it to koa dies in this one. I almost take it to her and I'm like No, no, she's not gonna die yet. Maybe book three, but to koa definitely bites it in this one to koa bites it Price doesn't but I bet gray does um Yeah, those are my predictions bellimus survives roper survives katura survives big tear 50 50 I bet garret dies, you know what? Oh Garrett definitely bites it. There's no way daryl survives for the end of this book Daryl Daryl's done I bet daryl gets like reassigned like janitorial duties in the palace He'll take that well sure oh, yeah, no, no daryl definitely dies and bro seafiz gets back bright shock bro seafiz I forgot his name over here like roper It's a pretty easy name Yeah, you're right. It's very common secondary only to john I mean roper is easier than jotan drive him jotan drive him london sister Oh, so no, I'm kind of a nervous one your cousin to die. We just think he's going to london sister north south london sister I know you've heard the audio. I know you know that's not how it's pronounced I don't that that that word is not mentioned in the audio Yes, it is. Is it really? Yes, it is. What page or what chapter and how far in I don't know how is it pronounced liana? london star What Repeat london star. Where's the scene? I'm just telling you how it's pronounced bro. It is on page 19 of the first book like is it really? Yeah It's pretty early at least on the kindle version so somewhere around there london star You missed too many letters This is funny london star london london sister london star london star did you just say futon? london star london star london star london star london star london star london sister what is happening? I don't know google london sister google it. Oh it's anglo stinking saxon Did we break out? Gorg fifth it is what it is do you know how gorg fifth it is spelled? That's perfect You definitely do a new audio book It was angler's saxon i need to i need a pronunciation guide where's the nope I think you've got it you heard the audio book you think I did I did not here's the thing Leanna because if I had heard London stuff if I had heard that in the audio I would never have assisted that word ever guy thought that they tuned in just as you were having a stroke who tuned in as I sorry you're speaking in tongues for like a minute died dad boy how to pronounce I won't tell me how I pronounce London Cister just like that it says how to pronounce Wintown Cister what do you pronounce that I don't know let's look on it there we go you hear that you hear say Wintown Cister we don't hear anything oh I hear that I hear you tapping here hold on listen listen it seemed a distant memory of the siege of London stuff the greatest of all London stuff somehow well that's less it's basically London and then the whole Cister is just basically yeah I mean it's like Gloucestershire like if you see how Gloucestershire is actually written out it does not look like Gloucestershire or worse or I didn't know it was like I thought it was Gloucestershire not Gloucestershire it's like Worcester in Massachusetts Worcester is spelled Worcester Worcestershire Worcestershire Worcestershire Worcestershire who knows and yes Urza more fitted is from warlord is this the most off topic I don't know if it is the most it is a good book all right well unless anyone else has any brilliant things to contribute questions to ask insults to make yeah and is that the face you want to go out on no maybe holding it's a thing that fell out of one of my books I haven't put it back in my book okay well I hope you all like the spider as much as I did rather than as much as Alex did it was good I like the spider I rated it higher than the wolf it is better than the wolf you don't love the characters what would you give the wolf three stars me said I said the spider was like three and a half another L for Leanna it's rough up there my ratings are meaningless though because it's just on good reads because I have to put it in otherwise it was a I think Leanna posted it but it's a tweet from Leo Leo Karoo he tweeted recently because I haven't been on Twitter for years and I saw a tweet from Leo Karoo who posted a screenshot of a one-star sorry of a two-star review of the cuckoo that literally it says this ruin the entire series for me and he's like you know what with this review I'll take a two-star I'm proud that I got two star with that review that's amazing I mean I am so curious to see this this is like I'm using my one mention of the cuckoo right now right that only equals three my I had more the threshold was higher than three so that makes three I'm very very curious to see how you will react to the end of the I'm gonna give it five stars and say that this book sucks just throw everybody off man star and say it's your favorite of the year they don't do him any favors with these taglines dude like mail on Sunday the next George R.R. Martin like why would you do that to somebody I think the most accurate like tagline that I saw while still being like buzzy so it's not accurate but like giving you actually a useful sense of what it's gonna be like is someone some blurb said it's like Game of Thrones if it was written by Jean Le Carré because it's like all like conspiracy and like the government you gotta have to reference Game of Thrones somehow but I think like that does a better job like swords kind of like epic battle type stuff like Game of Thrones but it's more like government conspiracy like a Jean Le Carré book but it doesn't read anything like a song of ice and fire no I didn't say it was great I just didn't even feel like a song of ice and fire yeah I just don't think that that's a good thing to do to somebody you know how many George R.R. Martin's there are now at this point because every book is just did you know Rage of Dragons is African Game of Thrones which just sounds bad isn't Dual Wheel Part 3 coming out this year no I thought it was supposed to come out already but I'm pretty sure it's delayed several times I'm sorry Dual Wheel Part 3 yeah he's still mad that Tao was the first person to ever Dual Wheel in the history of the people all this time I've been Dual Wheel in this Halo 2 bro I could use items in both hands Needlers bro so yeah no I like this one better for the spider it says as bleak and brutal as the northern snows I like that more than that Game of Thrones written by somebody tell me you did not run a Dual Wheel in Needlers Needler yeah definitely all the time dude the original Needler was broken so yeah if you hit him in the head just the original pistol was broken it was so strong because it was a sniper yeah for sure like a sniper that like you didn't have to pistol all the way across blood gold yeah you know what I'm about Leanna you know what I mean see well you would be our four shot head pop pop pop three shot burst dude I'll do it I don't know any of the numbers I was gonna say something else but I don't know any of the 80s news so I will not be able to read this till the beginning of January I won't be able to read that until March guys I'm in the middle of like 15 series it's because this patron wheel is what happened on anything that isn't a book one of something when I books for December all that's what happened to me so when I first started doing patreon pics that's what happened I I got six months into it and I was like I have to stop now and the thing is is I like all of them like I wish it was like you know every other one I'm like me I kind of kind of titty dirt like I'm not gonna finish it but like it always ends up being something I want to continue except for a blood and fire I will not be continuing that when you said except except you should accept for the wolf apparently he did he's not reading the spider for three months that's like I have to read ashes a man and derfie's last book still me too I'm actually reading ashes man right now but lonesome crown I haven't started yet see I'm not super angry that Alex is reading ashes a man because you finish it in two days anyway well the reason Jimmy can't read this Liana is because Jimmy had to read blood meridian back to back he had to read it twice and then again right afterwards it's really good yeah but that's a liana move I feel like no one has to do it I don't do that I mean I'm guess I am going to be doing that because I have to reread the cuckoo oh you poor me I don't know if I liana I am I have a horrible feeling I'm gonna find the blade itself incredibly mid that'd be acceptable though not I mean I hated it the first time I read it and then I read it years later and I was like normal reaction though this is actually pretty good they'll have to read the blade itself and they go okay there's some stuff there and then they read the next two and they're like oh it's much better like I feel like they reread the blade itself having read the other two and you're like actually this is fantastic now you're just talking about yourself I love the blade itself the first time I read it so I did too I liked all first law I I love Abercrombie I'm in a reading slump and so what I do when I'm in a reading slump is I play games I mean yes but if I'm trying to read and break the reading slump and audio book and play games that are perpetuated no that's what I do that's what I do to normal on a regular basis but no is the only time I'll read multiple books at once is if I'm in a slump so I'm like I'll read like 30 minutes of this book 30 minutes that book and in in the blade itself's defense I'm in a wheelchair so I was in my son room so I couldn't get to my I couldn't get to my office because my wife and our friends staying with us we're both asleep so I was trapped but I did want to I'm like I want to read like I need to grab blade itself and read that too bad it's not in this room so I didn't I did a crossword puzzle so that's a level of commitment I would if I could but I can't so I won't no no like I literally couldn't I can't Leanna can you crawl no I literally can't because my pelvis is busted I mean I just don't understand why you don't have the blade itself to hand at all times in case of emergency audio and then I decided that I can't I can't just do that I have to be able to see names and stuff so I'm gonna do both until Stephen Pacy is you have a Kindle he is good I do have a Kindle but part of the reason I'm gonna slump is because like I can't look at my e-reader anymore like like the last five you was on my no I just Allen goes into the room and she goes I look at it I was like yes like I don't want to read anything on my Kindle like I want a physical book yeah understandable I got the blade and I also pull the spider down which will also go into my little rotation here it's a lot because eventually if you just read a little bit of each of each one like eventually I'll find one that's like oh okay like let me keep reading this one because this is and it'll be the spider well you literally can't get to it for the next it's over right and guess what the thing I could use to get it this was fun no Logan would kill everybody in this universe not God my God not Darryl Darryl oh my god this was fun yeah even though I feel a little bit beat up I feel like Alan was sponsored by all the rings of power fans okay rings of power is Amazon's best performing show ever so is it really yep it's because of people like me tuning in every week it's their most successful show they've ever done they're they just got then they're now making the god of war TV show yeah it's gonna make Judkins is the showrunner that's why it's gonna be terrible of course it's gonna be there's no in God of War like it doesn't make a good adaptation it doesn't matter rafed it's such a terrible job with Wheel of Time that I have wheel of time died when God has he also did the Uncharted movie the Uncharted movie is so bad everything rafed touches gets destroyed Sony loves them they just keep having destroyed wheel of time made money so that that's why but like well I mean people keep putting JJ Abrams on things too so at least his movies are visually appealing seven or what was it what was the one with the kids and the alien yeah I like that movie yeah another number you know yeah I did was a number I like that movie I was pretty good what I am excited for though is Henry Cavill spearheading a Warhammer 40k universe on Amazon so there's that yeah and they're doing rush hour four two right I have no idea do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth if nobody understands where it's good guys no joke my great movie my dad cannot say Jackie Chan's name without doing this he can't eat he's compelled my dad cannot help but go Jackie Chan he can't just say Jackie Chan he has to say that the Chan he can't like I've tried to get him to like he can try to tie his hands and behind his back and he would still move he would break out my dad loves Jackie Chan sorry my dad loves Jackie Chan but I do hate rush hour how's that possible he's still mad that his cousin gonna die the traffic does our traffic does suck so I'm here for him about way man that is a bad all right well in about five years when everyone's finished the spider will reconvene when I have forgotten everything about it and I'll have read it ten times maybe you should bring Leon on next actually I mean like watch this and I'm gonna hear me call what I said what he did dumb great so I will send him a link to this you throw the spider at the end though you know he's gonna watch it mr. Karim I am I like he's not mad at this part of the video he gave up around the time he started insulting Brandon Tannerson but I will say so like okay I'm really what I was like freaking out when I was like freaking out about Kelsey here what I was freaking out about being able to interview Leo crew and about how good the cookie was my patience like you weren't even this dramatic about wisdom of crowds and talking to Joe Abercrombie and I was like well not to be dramatic but the cuckoo it might be better than wisdom of crowds I could see it but also not to be dramatic but like I loved talking to Joe Abercrombie don't get me wrong and I would love to talk to him again but Joe plug ears but there's something to the like and I would ask job or crummy was there a reason you did this was there a backstory for this was there some like is there a in your mind even if it's not on a page like what was the reason for this and mostly he was like no I just like it just happened I just thought of it it doesn't have a back story I didn't really think about it whereas when I would ask Leo Karoo the like outpouring of encyclopedic like just like stuff he had thought of for this thing that I explained after what sounds like where'd y'all go out to eat after but you know what it's like really satisfying like if I ask a question like how did you think of this and job or crime is like I don't know I just did I asked Leo career how did you think of this he's like well so I had heard of this thing and I'd also heard of this thing and then I just thought if both things happen simultaneously and then I happen to always be interested in this other thing and like on and on and on and on and I was like this is so much more satisfied about stuff like that all the time and you make fun of me I don't make fun of you how did you make this about you I have autism I don't understand object permanence I've cried three times I'm pretty sure you're the one that makes fun of me I can call a gun I will call big tear get you the hookup for what to get married to Leo career because all I've heard is how much you are yeah strong jawline all you heard is me saying how interesting his answers yeah that's the same thing so every author that you're a fan of that you you would also like to bury them Alan is that what you're trying to tell me yes that's not true I don't know where I got that it sounded like you were totally crashing anyway um yep thanks for reading the wolf I like the wolf I said I gave it five stars you did it just doesn't sound like it like after raise your hand if you were surprised to hear that after listening to Alan because you are unreasonable so I have to bring just no I was just raising my hand I know he was also surprised that after that rant you gave it five stars I did because I liked it but I like it's just so hard to tell that because you won't acknowledge any of the things that are wrong with it but like I hadn't even started defending it when you go in actually began this with it an imaginary premise that she doesn't like when you see like we could have come together tonight on a book that we both gave five stars to show the world that we can't agree the book is good liana liana we have a property like forever I know and you open by yelling it liana we have to keep up the facade okay these are the characters that you all have chosen to play on the internet it's like shame and sharp on undisputed you're playing characters some lady is gonna tell you that you owe me an apology being a little bit I've literally done one of those and liana's kind of logic that's true that's really funny it's ridiculous I'm like I'm not mean at all he said while yelling I mean in fairness like you treat me just as badly as you treat the wolf which you gave five stars so that's fair you're a five-star look I gave it five stars I thought it was Gadboa maybe we see all right truth be told the stream was and now oh that's how you know it needs to end yeah I saw for the first time right now but I like oh thank you it's been up there for two hours on the screen I have he was just completely zeroed in on upstart and girls girlfriend thinks I mean I mean to the untrained eye if they just walk in on a normal liana and Alan conversation there's a 99% chance you're yelling about something it's not even yelling about something it's just yelling he's just very passionate that's true if you could just say that you like the wolf one more time maybe we end on that well that's not true I yell at Jimmy too I'll probably yell at him tomorrow I yell it yeah I yell at Joanna I yell at I yell at pretty much everyone I talked to but doesn't mean I'm being mean I'm just loud I've autism you know what people mean I'm like I have a frickin mental disability and so people who think I mean are being mean to me how many people think that you're just like joking right now if you're making jokes you know what I mean what like you're joking about autism like they feel like I really do have autism no I know but how many people listen to the way that I talked it talk about anything and not understand that I've autism I don't understand how it's possible now you're yelling at the people that hypothetically I'm not aware girlfriend who I don't even know I appreciate anyway liana thank you so much for having me on your channel after such a long time away I have this feels fake I have really really enjoyed see that's what I'm saying I'm waiting for the sting I'm waiting for like that to end up like I greatly enjoyed this discussion about a book that we both enjoy despite the fact that I find some flaws that did not enjoy that did not he says my enjoyment of the book so I am great I am so grateful that I was able to have this rousing discussion with you and these two wonderful gentlemen Alex and Jimmy nuts I've been nice it's a nice or is it smug nice callback smug would be like liana thanks for calling me in to talk about your little book I see no difference little stories the eyebrows like all the eyebrows it's good that you took a little time away from your knitting and about you know about things that you might not be exposed to a lot like war strategies battles like I'm actually really impressed that you were able to keep your lunch down while reading about all that Jeff I think it's really awesome that Leo Karoo is showing that anyone can write a book you know just kidding but that would also be considered okay only learned how to read when he was 10 years old I can tell man I'm just kidding Leo you're right I hope you turn this for you off a couple minutes ago if you watch this it's gonna beat me up I don't know I'm just kidding I like your book Leo I like the wolf you should have cut this off I kept trying to be like thank you for coming on and then hit go live you mean end broadcast because if you didn't know we were recording this thanks for joining me to talk about the wolf and we'll talk soon about other things that's 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