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Bro, let me explain something to you about muscles. This is a large. Be honest right now. I won't lie. You were the guy when you went to parties, if you ever were invited, you were the guy that did push-ups in the bathroom. No. Don't fucking lie. I know you did. Here's why I never did push-ups in the bathroom. I'll explain myself. I don't know if I believe it. This is stupid. I'll tell you why that's not true. And you'll believe me. You will believe me. Because you didn't get invited to parties. No. Number one, the reason why I wouldn't do push-ups in the bathroom is in those days, I thought any additional exercise or activity would hamper my recovery and my gain. So for sure I would not do extra push-ups. But you might have slammed a steak in the bathroom then. What? Why would I eat a steak in the bathroom? I need those calories. I don't want to lose any muscle. No, so I didn't do it because I wouldn't even have thought of it. And also, pumps don't last. I mean, how long is a pump going to last? I'd have to go to the bathroom again. I'd have to go talk to the girl in the kitchen. Oh no, bro. I got a mouthpiece. I don't need muscles for that. It's like, you know what I mean? Yeah, muscles. I think you're lying to me. Did you do push-ups in the bathroom? I did. Yeah. Before we were in the club. You're just trying to project your shit on me. Of course. You know what I'm saying? A minute though, you know what I'm saying? I was that guy. But I was like 15. I still think you do those push-ups in the bathroom. No, I don't. I'm pretty sure you do. Before the podcast? Yes, before the podcast I do. Because everybody thinks that. Everyone's just like, they think Sal's the buff guy. Then we get in person. They're like, oh shit, Justin and Adam is the buff guy. What happened? And they're like, what the fuck? You're like, yeah, that's because Justin and I don't do push-ups in the bathroom before we podcast that. Illusions. No one's ever said that. It's all lights. Illusions. Push-ups in small shirts. Yeah, that's a lot of jealousy going on. Hey, you guys are so jealous. Did you hear one of the scariest things that ever happened to me? What? Yesterday? Really? Terrifying. Okay, so we're doing sleep training with the baby right now, right? Which, you know, that sucks, right? Because the baby cries and you do the whole thing. You go in, let him know you're there, leave. Okay, yeah. Explain the protocol. Yeah, let's hear your protocol. Because there's like a million ways to do sleep training. So what we do is we, when he shows signs of being sleepy, yawning, rubbing his eyes the whole deal, we'll go and put him down. He's all set up. We'll put him down and then we'll leave. And inevitably, right now, he'll start crying because he's used to falling asleep on mom all the time, right? And that's just not sustainable. He's getting, you know, he's older now. It's time for him to learn how to fall asleep on his own. So when we put him down, he'll start crying. We'll wait five minutes. If he's crying consistently, relatively consistently for five minutes, we'll go back in the room, let him know that we're here. Hey, buddy, I'm here. I love you. Listen, it's time to go to sleep. It's time to go night night. And then we'll walk back out and we'll repeat this process until he falls asleep. And that can take, the first time we did it took over an hour, but it seems to be getting better each time it's shorter and shorter. In fact, yesterday, which is remarkable, Jessica put him down and he fell on his own, fell right asleep, which he would have never done before. But anyway, that's not the story. So here's the story, right? We have a baby monitor that, you know, the little camera that you can see on the bed and see what he's doing. Do you have the same thing that happened to you? Hold on. So I got the baby monitor on the bed and I moved his, his, cause he's got like a bassinet or whatever. It's like a big pack and play so he could sleep next to us. And then he has a crib in his room. So I'm angling the, the pack and play so that he can't see me in bed when I go to bed later because we're still doing the whole sleep thing. If he knows I'm there, he's just going to cry the whole time. So he has to kind of feel like he's on his own for a little bit or whatever. So I'm angling it because I'm angling it. I'm moving the camera to make sure I can see where he's at. So this is that night. So this is like 730 at night and, you know, eight o'clock at night, we're about to put him down. So I moved the pack and play. I set up the camera or whatever. I turn on the monitor and I see like, oh, cool. I could see his bed. This is cool. No problem. I put him down, go downstairs and we're chilling and he starts to cry. So I check the monitor. No baby. All I hear, all I hear is crying. No baby on the monitor. So I immediately sweat, you meet and run upstairs like a monster because I hear my baby crying. No one in the bed. I'm going to kill someone or I don't know what happened. What's going on? Do the monitor freeze? I fucking run up there, dude. Like I took two steps up my entire staircase. Like one, two, I'm at the top. And he's in there screaming. And I'm like, what the fuck? I look at the camera or the monitor, no baby. And here's what happened. We have two cameras, one in his room. Oh, it connected to the other Bluetooth. Bro. Scared the shit. It's just like what happened to me. Remember when I told you that story? I was in there and all of a sudden I hear this clunk, this sound, and then the thing froze and then he wasn't in the- Oh my God, dude. Oh, I was in the room. I was in the room with him. I just, it was pitch black. I couldn't see anything. Oh my God, dude. He's been abducted by aliens. Someone took my baby. You know, what's funny about that to me is that that technology is fairly recent, right? I mean, when you had your first kids- Yeah, I didn't have any of that. Yeah, I didn't have that either. My brother and sister, when they were little, we only had the monitors we could hear. Yeah, you could hear. Yeah, that's all you could hear. So you just hear crying and be like, ah, he's okay. Yeah. He's alive. And the cameras now- Right. They show the temperature of the room. Oh, yeah. They show night vision so it's dark and you can see everything. It's crazy. It's more control over, but also it controls you more. Like, do you feel that way in terms of like, like seeing all that stuff versus just hearing a- Oh, for sure. For sure. For sure, yeah. 100%. I actually get upset at Katrina because it scares the shit out of me because any time like a thump or anything happens, she like sits up in bed and does that sound and I'm like, right when I'm like falling asleep- That's the worst. And it jolts me out of bed and I wake up like right away because I'm- It's like adrenaline. Yes. I can't go back to sleep for like another hour or two and I'm like, oh my- Honey, I was like, this is- He's gonna bump his head. He's gonna kick the wall. This is gonna happen for a long time. Your psychology is very- You have to understand your psychology. A baby's cry, first of all, the reason why it's so hard to listen to versus other noise, we are wired to not like a baby's cry to want to help them to feel, you know, pain or fear when we listen to it. This is why when you're on a plane with a baby crying, it's like it drives you crazy because you're having this conflicting feeling. It's not my baby. I can't stand it. Please help the baby. Make it stop crying, whatever. So when you're doing this with your kid and you're trying to train them to learn how to go to sleep and they're screaming and crying and you have a monitor with the speaker on and you're watching them, you're literally torturing the shit at yourself. The best possible- This is what I had to do. I had to turn it way down so his cry wasn't super loud on the monitor and I had to like look at it every once in a while because here's what happened. I would be like, oh my God, he's been crying for too long. How long has it been? I look at the clock, 10 minutes. It feels like an hour. I remember I used to get in trouble because I would like, you know, try and like sit the mood. I was trying to get some. And I would turn the monitor. I'm like, all the way off, you know? And I'm just like, hey. And then Courtney would just stop and just be like, hey, I thought I heard something. You turned this down. Like I would- And then done. You know, like, oh no. No sex for you. My plans. So that's your theory that we're wired that way. That's the reason why the plane thing bothers me so much. I don't think so. I think you're wrong. No, it's true. It just drives me crazy because I can't hear my audio book. That's why I'm fucking pissed. Well, I mean, I'm not like, I'm not like, oh, I want to get up and help this baby. I'm like, dude, shut this kid up. Bro, you should be taking him on a six hour flight right now. No, it has been proven. It has been proven that a baby's cry elicits a strong response, especially in women, but definitely in men. Well, I know that. I mean, shit. I remember Katrina, you know, lactating because some kid was crying in the grocery store. You know what I'm saying? Like that. They're definitely wired and connected that way. Oh yeah, dude. So it's like, if you hear him screaming and it's, you're there or it's loud and you're watching them the whole time. Oh my God. There's no way you'll be able to do it. No way. And it's funny because he's, you know, he's a baby and we're trying to, he's getting good at it. Only after one day he's getting good at it and he's getting more sleep. He's getting better sleep, but it doesn't matter, right? Even after he falls asleep and he wakes up, you know, I go get him and I'm thinking to myself like, oh man, did I scar him? And he's fine. He's laughing and smiling. I'm like, he doesn't even remember. Have you guys introduced him to brain ephemia? Yeah, we tried a couple times. Oh, that does work. Religiously. Oh, you guys still. Oh, that's religiously. Katrina will not put him down unless we have all that. When we're driving, we put it on. Oh yeah. Now the problem with driving and putting it on is I'm getting tired too as I'm driving. Oh yeah. Because it works. Oh yeah, we've actually used it for the kids because of the, you know, remote learning and whatnot. Like just put, I told Courtney. Oh, focus. It's like I had to remind that that's one of those things that just, it works and you forget all about it as a tool like, because there's been a lot of times where they're so distracted and then I don't want to do this. I'm like, dude, put that brain ephem focus on. You're the one that got me doing that because I didn't, I never use the focus and you use the focus. I use it like religiously. You use that more. I was always using the sleep and then you would come around here, you'd be riding or working and you'd always have it on. I'm like, you know what, I haven't really tried that. You got to give it about 10 minutes. So you put it on. I'm so scatterbrained, dude. It helps me so much. No, it works. You put it on and then give it about 10 minutes. It's not right away, but in about 10 minutes, when you've been listening to it consistently, especially in headphones, you're just, you're very focused. It's legit. It actually works. It's super funny. So I've like, Ethan has basically got himself like a little girlfriend, you know, and so like it's been going back and forth and this whole COVID thing has been great for him. Yeah. He's been able to talk to this girl and so he's like now trying to impress her with things and it's so funny to watch like, you know what, you know, boys and little, you know, men come up with to try and impress girls, you know. And so he's just started to dance and like, so he does this like little Russian dance where, you know how they like squat and then they, hey, hey, hey, hey, like, like at some point she said like, oh my God, that's so great. Look at that. It's so, he's been like practicing this over and over and I'm like, what are you doing? And he's just, hey, hey, hey, like all over the house. What the fuck? Why Russian dance? You know, like out of any dance, like he chose that one. Because a girl said she liked it. Do we ever grow out of that? I don't think we ever grow out of that. If you ask Katrina, she'll tell you like one of her favorite, funniest memories of me and her. One of the first dates or things that we ever did is I took her up to the snow and we went up to Dodge Ridge and we went snowboarding. I took her snowboarding the first time she'd ever ridden. But, and I actually don't even remember this but I definitely don't deny that I would do some stupid shit like this. I made her watch. I hit maker. I put in my, I had a DVD player inside the truck. You know, videos. Hey, check me out. Yes. Videos of me wakeboarding. You know what I'm saying? Like what the fuck? I'm 30. You know what I'm saying? I'm 30. You know what I'm saying? Like that's it. Check out these sweet moves. Yeah. Look at these sweet moves. I can't talk to a shit. I did that with a highlight reel. That's right. See, we don't grow out of it. You don't grow out of it. And if you're a guy, let's say you're a fucking liar. You're a liar. You're a liar if you don't do shit like that. That's embarrassing. I remember when I did the first, like it was the sales training I did for trainers. And I did over here at Red Dot. Yeah. And Jessica came and watched, right? Yeah. And after we were done, she comes and whispers in my ear, you know, just like, man, that turned me on the way you were, you know, doing that or whatever. Yeah. After that, I'm always like, hey, babe, how's your schedule look on this day? Because I'm going to do another talk. You want to come and watch me? You want to watch me do this? Yeah, anytime, especially when you're younger though, if a girl says, wow, I like that shirt or, oh, look at those shoes or whatever. Oh. But you're always going to wear the shirt or the shoes. 100%. I mean, like, I jumped at the opportunity to, you know, at near 40 years old to play football again with pads on and everything, just because I knew she'd never seen me do anything like that before. And I knew it was going to be, you know, glorious once I was done. Now, did it work? Yeah. Of course. It worked for like months for him afterwards. Don't you remember him talking about it? Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah. I was totally like. He came into work glowing like every day for like a month or two. Yeah. Almost killed himself. Dude, my hand was thrombing. I looked at his backseat of his truck. He's rolling around with his shoulder pads and shit back there. She's wearing my jersey. You know, it's weird. It's just, you know, it works. Comes out of the bathroom. Hey, babe, look at my helmet. Does this still look good on me? His little mid-drift shirt. You know what's funny? I've heard people say this argument that if men weren't so obsessed with like trying to attract women or sleep with women that we would be so advanced as a society, I completely disagree. I bet you a full 80% of every amazing innovation and invention. It's because. Was too impressed with men. Sure. 100% dude. I mean, that's, if you're a super nerd. We would still be cave people. If you're a super nerd and you're not athletic, that's your flex. Yeah. That's your flex for like to show how smart you are. So it ain't no different. No, it's not. Because I'm seriously, if guys were just like didn't even care, like we'd be, we'd still be cave people. I don't care. I'll just go hunt. Yeah. And chill over here. Just scratch my beard. Yeah. I gotta clean my load. Whatever. Anyway, that kills me. Yeah. I was reading article. I feel like more and more sci-fi movie plots are real life. Our convenience reality. Yeah. Like old movie plots. Orson Welles. Are actually happening right now. So at the San Diego, I think it's a San Diego zoo. They just injected a bunch of chimpanzees and apes with an experimental COVID vaccine. So. What? See what happened. No, let's see. Doesn't that feel like a movie? It does. This will prevent them. That could go wrong. Let's see what happens. Experimental vaccine. When did they do this? They just did it. Oh, wow. Yeah, they just did it recently. I don't get it. I mean, monkeys are way physically dominant. We just don't make them smart. They just turn into Bigfoot. Yeah. Yeah. They'll fuck us up. Did you see that Texas pulled the no mass? Yeah, they did. Do you know why they did that? No. So many Californians are moving over there. They're like, we need to scare the shit out of you. Yeah, I saw that movie. It was so good. No, I didn't see that. Dude, that was hilarious. No. So I saw it too. And Mississippi. It was funny. Everybody was like, oh, Mississippi. Hey, who cares? There's nobody out there. I'm like, I care. Did they? So wait a second. No, wait. The gyms. So did you guys see the gyms here are now open? They are, I think, limited capacity. Okay. So that's what I. Yeah, indoors. You have to schedule an appointment for indoor. I heard 10%. Is that true? I don't know if it's 10% or 25. Doug, I need you on the Google map. Google over here. I know you're trying to look at cameras and stuff with that, but I need you. Because I thought it was, I thought we were rocking and rolling. Like I saw, I got the email. And then I had friends that were posting about it. Like it's on back to the gym. This and that. I'm like, oh, cool. My gym's back open. And then I was talking to a client of mine and she said, Oh yeah. 10% at them. She goes, so if you hold your gym, hold 100 members, 10 people. I'm like, oh, what? Yeah. Is it really 10%? I mean, what do they consider the capacity? What's the number? Gyms are always small capacity. Like a Burnell gym, which is one of the bigger gyms around here. Yeah. I think I think I've seen the capacity signs, like 200 and something. No way at a time. Yeah. 20 people working out. Yes. And the whole gym. Yes. Well, so I know that other who has, I think UFC gym, didn't they take the approach where they're going to charge a lot more to kind of service that market to reduce the maybe initially. Yeah. I feel like that's probably the way to go. I mean, let's see what happens, right? Because you have states like Texas and Florida loosening up or open up fully. And here's a cool thing. You can compare states in Florida, California and Texas. There's similar enough to where you could see what's working and what's not working. Yeah. And I mean, infection rates and stuff are worse in California. I love how people get mad at that. It's like, look, if you don't live there, why are you even mad? Because. You know, like, let them figure it out. Yeah. Exactly. And then if they're right, then, you know, you got no leg to stand on. Well, dude, Gavin Newsom, right? Governor of California is like, oh, it's reckless, you know, for Texas. Oh, he got roasted. He did. Somebody retweeted that with a picture of him when he went to the restaurant. He was sitting inside when nobody else could. Have you ever voted that moron out yet? He's still in here. I thought we did. We can't get him out. No, they're doing a cockroach. I think they're doing the, have they reached the amount of votes that they need, right, for the recall? They have, but here's the course now. They're going through it like crazy to match up the signatures and make sure everybody's like legitimately. Wow, they're putting that much effort into it. Of course. Of course. Oh, 25% capacity. Oh, 25%. Yeah. Gyms and dance and yoga studios at 10%. Oh, you're, oh, shit. You're a dance class, Justin. That's great. Oh, good. Yeah, I'm back. Hey, Justin Zuba. Shake them hips. Let's go. What is it? Kicks and weights class? Kicks and weights. How do you crush? I should do it. Heavy weights and cakes is the class. Well, I mean, this is good for the gym, for the gym industry, but I mean, 10% is going to be pretty hard. I don't know. They got hit so hard. How are they going to come back? I don't know. Well, I mean, I feel like if they made it this far, if you made it this far, then you might be okay. I mean, because I predict it's only going to get better. Well, the vaccines that the mRNA vaccines, right? What are the companies that did that? Moderna and was the other Pfizer. Pfizer. Okay. So those vaccines. I thought Johnson and Johnson was doing it. They just did a new one. They did, right? So the ones that have been out, right? The mRNA vaccines. The RNA goes into your cells. They're going to mutate you in five years. No. But they're remarkably... A bunch of Ninja Turtles. Stop. I'm Michelangelo. Yeah, whatever. Why do I want to buy Microsoft products? No, the remarkably effective, extremely effective at preventing COVID and spread and all that stuff, like insanely protective. And so far, the safety is actually also remarkable. The problem is you don't know long-term effects. We won't know that for years. There's no way to test that unless we just... So I'm like totally not following any of this. I'm like over all of it. I'm over the conversations that my buddy still want to have. I'm like, I'm so done with all this stuff. Yeah. What is going... I've heard that it's like mutating and changing anyway. So some of these vaccines don't even matter. You take a vaccine and then it's mutating. No, they're still pretty damn effective towards all the new variants. Okay. But they're so seriously like... They're like 97% protection, which is incredible for a vaccine. Now, Johnson and Johnson... For something that you're 99% safe from already. Well, it's got to be pretty good actually. You still can get very sick and all that stuff. Stop it, Adam. Now, here's the other thing. So the problem with those vaccines is they require two doses and they require... They need to be stored at extremely cold temperatures. They're hard to transport. So they're not super easy, right? Johnson and Johnson just came out with a vaccine. You don't need to store it at this ridiculously cold temperature. You don't have to have special refrigeration units. And it's only one shot. Now, the difference is the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, I believe, is 66% or 70% effective, which is still good by vaccine standards. And I believe it's the old way that they did vaccines. So it's not an mRNA vaccine. It's like a more traditional one. So for people who are afraid or worried about the new breakthrough ones, Johnson and Johnson is another option. And they're easier to administer or whatever. So it's pretty cool. I think California has already reached like 20% of the population has been vaccinated already, which is pretty big. I like you. I'm going to continue to stir the pot and piss Doug off right now. So I think that you started some shit on the forum and I think it's best to hear... That's a good time. Yeah, I'd like to hear you defend yourself where you have a platform and you can talk because you dropped kind of a bomb in there just to, I think, probably stir stuff up and get conversations. So by the way, that's what the private forum is for. You want to get controversial stuff. You got to go to the Minecraft private forum. You could sign up and then you get to hear uncensored. Normally we're trying to avoid it, but Sal likes to drop bombs. Yeah, yeah. So I mean, you said something in there. You were basically comparing the WAP song winning the Song of the Year. And then meanwhile, Dr. Seuss' six books are pulled off the shelves. Explain how you can compare the two of them. So that was the defense. Right now I see there's a lot of people that are up in arms that are coming after you right now. I think it's a sign of the lack of objective morality that we have as a society. Okay, so here's the thing. It's very important to have as a society at least a strong sense of objective common morality, especially when you have so many different cultures and so many different types of people. Otherwise, we're going to be totally screwed. And what's happening is the goal post continues to move. The standard continues to change. So it's moral relativism. You don't know where the end of it is and it's just gone to a point where I just, I don't even know what people think is right and wrong anymore. 2017, Obama in videos was talking about how amazing Dr. Seuss' books were. They're all incredible or whatever. Now, you know, six of the books, they pulled it themselves because they're like, they see where things are going. The publisher did. Yes. Yeah, that's who pulled it. Yeah, because they're looking at the actual estate, I mean, do you find that? I don't find that surprising at all. I mean, we talked, so for the audience, it doesn't help. They're just preemptively known. You have your book coming, right? You've got your book coming around the corner. We wanted to have more of a controversial type of cover and you couldn't even get it passed by the publisher. No. We couldn't put a fat person on a treadmill. No, no, no. That was just fat shaming. They did. They said that. That's ridiculous. Well, so what I'm saying is, what I'm saying, okay, I get that culture changes, but what's happening is we're viewing everything through this really interesting lens and we're not being consistent with it, because like you said, and by the way, I'm against censorship completely. So, yeah, you know, wet-ass pussy, right? I think that song is insane, ridiculous. I think it's whatever. But I also think, fine, it exists. If you want to listen to it, go ahead. If you don't, you don't. And the argument is that men have been making songs just as bad for many, many years. You're so live crewed. Yeah, right. Exactly. Me so horny. But my point is that our standards are very interesting when it comes to some of the stuff. For example, here's another one. You open this can of worms, Adam, so this is your fault, right? Yeah, yeah, no. You have the controversy with Coca-Cola training saying how to be less white, and you have a lot of people saying things about white people. You confirm that, by the way? It's true. Yeah, it's all over the place. It is, okay. And that is, I mean, that's objectively racist, right? But the definition of racism has now changed so much that according to some people, you can't be racist against white people, only against certain types of people. This is a new ideology. I see. I don't let it trigger me, though. I think it's actually comical. It is. Because I want someone to explain to me, how do I be less white? Well, there's no logic behind it. That's what I mean. It's inconsistent. Where am I sombrero to work for now on? Well, logic and reason are white traits, apparently. What I'm saying is it's just this changing, you know, the goalpost keeps moving so fast and it's just so insane that it's like, okay, where do we stand? You know what I mean? I mean, Dr. Seuss books were written a long time ago. There's almost nothing that opinions didn't match at all. It's just kind of funny too, because then you see, you go back and you'll see like the Obama administration and then they're basically like taking all these people in and explaining to them they can learn all the life lessons from Dr. Seuss books. So it's just like, yeah. Oh, that's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. It's inconsistent is my point. And I'll give you an example. Okay, in the early days of America, we had open borders, essentially. They were pretty open. You could come here. If you come here and you land on our shores, you're here, right? And lots of people came from all over the world, but especially from Europe, the poor disenfranchised from Europe came here and we all got along and the country flourished. But here's why. There was a common objective morality. Now, before you think to yourself, because it's a very ignorant thought, but I'll clarify, before you think to yourself, yeah, they were all white people. Okay, Irish people in the early 1900s, late 1800s, Italians, Germans, very different from each other. I mean, Europe almost destroyed itself twice in two world wars. You ask an Italian from 1900 if they have anything in common with Irish or German and they look at you and be like, what are you talking about? Very, very different that they all came here. The reason why such different people were able to get along, work together and the country grew and exploded was because everybody had this common belief in freedom and liberty, very strong. Like, okay, you do your thing over there. I don't agree with it. You're not hurting me. Just don't take my stuff. Don't hurt me. Don't force me to do anything. And we'll do our own thing. Yeah, it's like we're okay with differences. Yes. But you have to have a common base for that to work otherwise you're screwed. So this is why I'm okay with, I mean, I think the publisher getting involved in doing that I think is a little ridiculous. I think if you're a school and that was part of your curriculum and then that's been brought to your attention that there's books in here that seem racist or whatever, then by all means stop them in circulation. Then we don't teach out of those six. If we use Dr. Seuss as part of our curriculum and you feel that way going forward then just don't use those books anymore. But to try and say it'll never be published again and erase it is just silly and all it's going to really do, which by the way, you know, kudos to me for buying the Dr. Seuss collection last year. Yeah, I think those books are worth like, you can sell them for like $1,000 or $2,000. Crazy on the internet. That's why I just laughed about it. I was like, this is hilarious right now. Well, that's the other part of it. The other book collection just tripled yesterday. The other part of it for me is just looking at the corporations and like how now like this seems to be a button for them to almost hope that something of theirs gets banned or yeah, it gets like canceled somehow because then the other side of that, man, they get mega sales because of everybody. I feel like it's just massive virtue signaling from the publisher. Look at us. Look what we're doing. You know what I'm saying? I mean, even like what we dealt with with the cover, that's what I feel like it is. It's like, come on, get out of here with that. It's so ridiculous. I think people choose to not just the same. Why I was okay with the analogy that you gave is because it's the same thing. Like if you're a parent and you don't want your kids to read those, totally understand. Don't buy them. Don't buy them and don't read them. The same way you don't let your probably 12-year-old daughter listen to WAP or you're a bad parent. Same thought. I also think this. I think it's important to teach your kids context. So I could read this to my kid and if I really think that this is a racist depiction of Asian people, for example, in one of the books, they're saying it's very stereotypical depictions of Asian people. By the way, all cartoons are caricatures. That's how cartoons are, but our standards change and I get that. So let's say that you're a parent. You read the book. You could tell your kid, oh, you know, in those days. Back then. Back then, this is kind of how people were. We obviously were different now, but the story is really good. Teach your kids context because it's history. Yeah, this is my issue is I see that going all the way from renaming everything and washing everything of the past away. What are we going to learn from? What are we going to teach our kids that this is how people did those things back then and this is what I don't agree with when they did that. But to not even expose that to them, how are they going to then become a better person and not introduce with old shitty ideas? No, they have to. The whole thing that I told you guys that I was just reading in that book is it's safetyism. That's what everyone's pushing like that in hopes that we're going to protect, protect, protect. But then you don't prepare them for real life. You're not comparing them for life. Because in real life, you're going to face all those things. And as a parent, if you can't have that conversation with your kid, say my kid's reading Dr. Seuss because I love Dr. Seuss. And it gets to an age. I don't even know what... You said it's like it's an Asian character and one of them in particular, there's a couple of things, but they were like Asian cartoon characters and it was a stereotype of what you would think that they would do with an Asian character in those days, right? But again, you got to teach your kids context and you explain to them and this is the... The funny part is I don't even think a kid would even ask that. That's the thing. You're bringing attention to something that they probably wouldn't even think twice about. I think a kid today, honestly, this is the truth. I think a kid today growing up now, four-year-old, five-year-old, would even recognize that it was a stereotype of an Asian person. I think they would see it and not even know that. But we're so freaked out about it. Yeah, I told you guys, I don't know if I share this on the podcast. That's why I got really irritated with my niece, who's 30, and she's on this bandwagon like this, too. And she was asking my little nephew, who's an eighth grader, how diverse his friends were. He didn't even understand the question. All of a sudden, you're bringing light to something. Yeah, and you should have seen the look on his face. He was so confused. He doesn't look at any of his friends by their race and their color or any of that stuff. And he's got a very diverse... He lives in fucking San Jose. Yeah, it's almost impossible to have a group of only one race friends right here. It's not impossible. That's an overgeneralization, but very hard to do. And his mind doesn't even think that way. He's only an eighth grade, and he grew up in a time where... He was just like, are they cool? Are they friendly to me? Yeah, he had asked her a couple of times, and she had explained it in detail. You don't even have black friends. You have Asian friends. And he's like, oh, oh, yeah. And then he starts naming who's who like that. And she's like, oh, good job. And I'm like, what the fuck? Like, why do you even bring that to his attention at that age? You know what? Okay, so here's the truth. Okay? If you're a couple... You know, two or three generations deep in America. So you're not an immigrant. You're not a child of immigrants. Maybe your grandparents or... Especially if you're great grandparents or before were immigrants. You... Here's the diversity that you actually should pay attention to. Diversity of ideas. Because if you're three or four generations deep in America and you, let's say, grew up in San Jose, California, the Bay Area. And let's just say you happen to be white and your friend happens to have darker skin and another friend happens to be redhead or whatever. You're all pretty much the same otherwise. Besides the difference color and skin, the real difference is the diversity of ideas. I agree. It's not the skin color and stuff. You've all grew up and raised here. Your parents all brought you here. You're all in the Bay Area. You all probably think the same. Why not seek out diversity of ideas? And the way the best way to do that is to take your opinion. This is something I tell my son especially. You have an opinion. That's wonderful. I like that you have opinions of things. Now seek out an opposing opinion. See if your opinion stands... See if it holds up. See if it holds up and stands the test of logic and reason and debate in a civil manner. That will make you more diverse in the most important way. Which again, I think it's diversity of ideas. Anyway, all right, let's talk about fitness first. Oh yeah. Finally. I had to. Come on. Here's the thing too. This is what's in... It's in the news right now. It's all over the place. Everybody is talking about the Dr. Seustin. The WAP thing just came out right now. So for us to not discuss it and talk about it, I think it would be lame not to too. Yeah, definitely. So all right, so I wanted to bring up a topic I thought was kind of interesting. We talked about this in the past, but I do get comments on this or DMs I should say. And this is where people will ask why some of their body parts develop so much faster than others. And I think definitely... This is what's interesting. You definitely have your general genetic predisposition for how you respond to exercise, but then within that, there seems to be a pretty wide difference in certain body parts seem to be genetically very responsive and others that seem to be much less. Isn't that kind of interesting, very strange? Like for me, my upper legs, my quads, my hamstrings, they respond like... The rest of my body has even come close to responding like my upper leg. And the more I throw out my legs, the more they respond. I can't do that with everything else. You guys are like that too. I think everybody is. Everybody has that. And isn't the prevailing theory on that that you've got... That's one of the best neurological connections that you have. The body is best connected to that muscle more than almost any other muscle. And that's why it responds. You know, I wonder if it's... I think that might be part of it, but I also think there may be like an actual... Like if you did a biopsy and you look, there may be more fast-twitch muscle fibers. There may be more, you know, higher density of that. Well, yeah. Epigenetic stuff comes into play here, right? Let's say you're... Isn't it that also? But the environment, like so if you're introducing it, like, you know, when younger, for say, like I was like really into bench pressing. And so my chest developed, you know, more so than... Like I didn't do as many like leg-specific exercise. So like my chest to this day still responds just from barely doing anything. Well, that speaks to my point. That's the neurological point. You've trained your brain to fire that muscle so well, so efficiently for so many years. My arms are that way, because I over-trained the shit out of them as a young kid. That's like what I cared about the most. Yeah. And so now it's played into my favor. I don't have to hardly ever train them. If I touch them a little bit, they respond really well. But they weren't initially... Yeah. You know, I think that plays a role, but I think there's something else too, because you talked about bench press, Justin. Okay. In our... When we started working out, especially when, you know, in the mid-90s when I started working out, bench press was the exercise. Yeah, that's why I focused. If you worked out bench press, everybody asked that question. That was the measure of strength. I bench press a lot. I bet you have done more bench press sets than you have, just because I started at such a young age. Yet your chest and shoulders respond much better than mine do. There's also another component. Legs. Yes, I worked out my legs, but no way, dude, have I worked out my upper legs as much as I've worked them out? Yeah, but I want to challenge that there too, because I think that... Hmm. I did bench press like crazy, but I will admit that I didn't do bench press well for a long time. For a very long time, I did not have a chest at all. It wasn't until my late 20s did I really get and understand how to activate my chest and work my chest out. And up into that point, I didn't get a lot of development. Sure. Again, I think that plays a role, but again, I'll counter that. I bet you Justin has 10% of the time he's bench pressed, to feel his chest, and 90% to maximize the leverage in the lift. He's an athlete. He trained for performance and strength. I know. Well, it's got to be both factors. I mean, the more you guys talk about it, because it's obviously like I'm unlocking something that I had potential there. I had greater potential in developing my chest just by focusing on it. And then, you know, because I haven't had the same response in certain other body parts, like my biceps, for instance. Well, there's definitely a part that's passed down from your parents, for sure. Your parents' parents. You know, if you have a long line of family that maybe squatted all the time and lift it, I mean, you probably have that more so than probably my family. I'm sure that's where some of that comes from, too. So I think it's a combination of the genetics that have been passed down by your family that you already have. You already have the propensity to respond to that better than most people. And then in addition to that, you also have a great connection to it. It's just very interesting because there's other things, too. For example, do you guys find... And I think there's... This is some general truths here, but I think there's also an individual variance. Do you guys find that some of your body parts respond better to higher reps and other body parts respond better to lower reps? Have you found that for yourself? Sure. Yeah. Isn't that weird? Like, I know... Like, I can definitely lift lower reps for my legs and get very strong. But if I want them to blow up, 15 reps, you know? 12 reps, 20 reps. Then my legs really explode. Not true for my back. My back, heavy. Heavy. 5, 6, 7, 8 reps. And it just grows. If I go 15, 20 reps, not so much. Very, very interesting. Well, I also think this is why training is so nuanced, too. Totally. Because I think there's such a massive individual variance, which is also why, as much as I love what we do and we try and coach and help people as much as we can virtually, you know, nothing beats having a coach that's got his eyes on you, watching you train and develop and listening to you respond to them, watching how you're responding to things, and then adjusting accordingly. Do you guys have a body part or area that you, like, feel like you almost can't over-train? Like, you just train the shit out of it, and it seems to recover really easy versus other area that you're like, oh, this can easily over-train. Do you guys have anything like that? I can hammer my arms like crazy. Yeah. And that, again, I think that's just because I've trained them to be able to handle that much volume when I over-train the shit out of them for so many years as a kid that now, I mean, it's rare to get my, it's very, I'd have to leave my arms alone for an extended period of time. You actually did when you were competing. Yeah. You almost didn't train your arms. Yeah, yeah. I backed off of them a lot because they were, I didn't want them to over-power my shoulders, you know, in my chest. So, yeah, you know, there's, I have to be careful. Now, if I haven't trained them for several weeks and then I train them, I'll get sore. But man, if I've been training my arms for a couple of weeks in a row consistently, it's tough to get them sore. Yeah. Very strange, right? Now, speaking of recovery, the red light, consistently on areas of my body that seem a little bit inflamed or whatever, I had the inside of my right elbow was that way for a little while. And then I had my left shoulder in the back. And so I'm just targeting those areas consistently. And it makes it, it's actually so weird. Speaking of Juve, I want you both to, I did this, and I think it was after we heard, I think Dave Asprey was the one that shared this. I think it was where I heard it first. I don't remember where I heard it. Your son hold your butt. No. Not what I'm recommending. Yeah. Not what I'm recommending. That's it. After I heard him, I don't remember what podcast it was. I think it was him. Talk about, you know, red light. And this, I think it was before we were working with Juve. And the way he tested it out was he, he trained the shit out of his legs and he only did red light therapy on one leg. Oh yeah. And I mean, that's a real, a good way. Get really sore in a body part. And just do one side. And just do one side and be consistent with it and see what, see what you notice. I did that. I noticed a difference. So I want you guys to do it. So you guys can confirm with me. I'm afraid to get in balance. I don't want to like one, one side. Oh shit. It wasn't that dramatic. It definitely wasn't like one side was way sore. The other side, it wasn't sore at all. It's not, let me tell you, it's not that magical. We were talking about, like when you talk about tools like this, we're talking about small percentages of a difference. But noticeable. Yeah. But noticeable. I noticed it. To me, it was enough for me to realize, oh wow, it was a lot tighter, it cost a lot of money. Go to a expensive salon or recovery facility and it cost a lot of money and you couldn't do it regularly because you had to drive to the place, pay them a fee or whatever. And the reason being the red light, the actual, the ones that they actually use in studies because you can go online and find a lot of shitty, cheap, you know, red light devices. But to get the ones that they actually use that show that they work, in the past, they were so outlandish and they were only commercial products. But then, you know, now companies like Juve, in fact, did you guys see the newer one, the smaller one that they'd have? Yeah, the portable one. It's portable that has like a little mount that you can put it on like by your computer stuff. I mean, really cool. That's how my sister uses it. She has the little mini one and then she just props it up when she, she works on her laptop like all day long. Oh, so she just does it while she's up? Yeah, yeah, she shoots it from her laptop and then switches over. Downstairs. Very cool office. Hey everybody, I hope you're enjoying the intro. We're about to get into the questions. By the way, we're going to talk about the hard gainer guides, the hard gainer guide. So if you're somebody that wants to build muscle and your body's just not responding, go to mindpumpfree.com and download the hard gainer guide. It's totally free. It'll give you some secret tips on how you can get your body to respond. All right, enjoy the second half of the podcast. First question is from Kani Chiwa. Is it true that shorter walks of 30 minutes or less will primarily burn sugar and carbs while longer walks will primarily burn fat? Okay, yes, that's true, but no, it's not what you think it is. Okay, so here's what's true, right? When you're doing cardiovascular activity or any activity, you are burning energy and the first type of energy that your body will burn is in the form of stored carbohydrates. Once that starts to get burned up and used and believe it or not, you have a small supply of that in your body in comparison to the supply of fat that you have that you could burn is burned up, then your body starts to burn fat for energy. Now, here's why it's not what you think. It's not what you think because just because your body is burning fat for energy doesn't mean you're going to get leaner later if you're still in a calorie surplus. If you're in a calorie surplus, it just replaces it and it doesn't make any difference. I mean keto, for example, ketogenic diet, you have no carbohydrate in your diet, you're running off of ketones, which is fat. Theoretically, you're burning fat on keto or can you not lose weight on keto or lose body fat on keto? Absolutely. So calorie deficit is necessary for fat loss regardless of this, you know, how much cardio you do and whether you're burning sugar, carbs or fat. And the real benefit of comparison here is that you, a longer walk is going to burn more calories. Yes. You know, so if I had to compare a 30-minute walk versus somebody who walked for 90 minutes, well, the person who walked 90 minutes is going to burn and help them be in a more of a calorie deficit than the other person. Yeah, you cannot get around the simple, this is a rule, this is a law, okay? You can't get around the, it's a law of thermodynamics and physics where you must take in less calories than you burn in order for your body to search for fuel from itself to burn. If you're eating more calories than you're burning or the same amount of fuel, first off, let's say you're eating more calories than you're burning and your body burned calories from its stored fat. Well, where do those extra calories go? Right? They have to go somewhere. In other words, energy cannot be created nor destroyed. It gets transferred. It turns into other things and so you can't get around that. So, you have to be in a deficit to burn body fat and you can do weight themselves, glycogen and then do these like crazy intensive workouts and everything just to get quote-unquote burning through all the sugar and everything else to then the rest of the day try to burn fat but if the calories if you're still in a surplus like it's all washed. Well, and yeah, somebody who for average people this is the type of content I can't stand that gets spread in our space. It's like well, you know, it'll help better than all this build five pounds of muscle. Yeah. You want to you want to Trump walking for 30 minutes or an hour you know, short walks versus long walks like go build fat burning materials. That's right. Go build five pounds of muscle on your body. Okay. Which by the way, five pounds of muscle distributed amongst your entire body looks like nothing it won't look like it's just tighter. Yes. And you your body will naturally on its own when you know how good your muscle building genes are wrist ankle and neck measurements and what would be good measurements as opposed to bad. Okay. There's so many. I've heard of this now like how how accurate. Okay. So there's okay. So they did some and I can't remember the site but they did some calculations of you know what they believe to be some of the best natural body builders of all time ankle I think wrist and ankle measurement or wrist ankle or some like that and then they said okay this is the based off of these people this would be your upper genetic limit to how much muscle you could build now here's why that's super general there's so many factors that go into your ability to build muscle for example I'll give you one example right so one might say your testosterone level it might play a role in how much muscle you can build might play a role well they just did a study that's why I said that it does play a role but here's here's why it's not that easy okay they just did a study that showed that testosterone levels didn't play that big of a role and how much muscle two groups of men built what played a bigger role was androgen receptor density the androgen receptors are what testosterone attached to so in other words if you have 600 if your testosterone measures at 600 but you have incredible androgen density you got nowhere to park the androgen density and someone else has 900 testosterone but their androgen density is terrible the 600 might actually be more impactful on muscle building so there's hormone levels there's androgen density there's muscle fiber breakdown and density there's myostatin myostatin's a thing that we learned about over the last 10 years that controls muscle and you turn that switch off and the body just builds tons of muscle there's muscle there's so many factors it's very I mean could I look at someone just without working out and say that they probably can be predictive with it yet somewhat but sometimes I can't like I've known people who were you look at and you think oh that's a that's an ectomorph I've known this in gyms and they work out they just build muscle so easily you're like whoa I just feel like this is always the case with the fitness industry is trying to you know catalog all of this and try and simplify everything so you could have the general standard so where do I fit and then that way you can get marketed to and like kind of shuttle into products or different type of training methods or nutrition and they've done this with somatotypes and they've done kind of generalizations that people sort of identify and relate with and so it's like you know something that kind of seems like it's logical but again these are so generalized that there's no way you can be like that accurate when you're predicting well there's so many variables right there's so many variables but I you know in my experience I would say that a majority of my clients that had big wrist big ankles big bones basically is what you're big boned had an easier time building muscle but a harder time burning body fat and the same is true on the other end right so my clients that had really small wrist really small ankles tend to have a harder time building muscle like that now there's always an exception to the rule on both sides of that there's many other variables that trump that like your testosterone talk your discipline how about your behaviors and discipline too how about somebody who doesn't have as much potential to build muscle so they had to build more work ethic and discipline around nutrition and because of that they have a better lifestyle and habits and now see more results there's always something to counter that argument but generally speaking and it's a total I do think that most of my clients that were that were big boned had a harder time burning body fat than like my quote-unquote ectomorph type of clients and then you also have you know the question about measurements what are good measurements I mean do you care what the tape measure says or do you care about how you look like a really lean 16 inch arm on a guy is and natural right is impressive to most people most people if you saw in man muscular 16 inch arm that would look more impressive than a guy with an 18 inch arm whose body fat is you know 18% body fat right well it just doesn't look as good so that's one of those things as well now I can answer and say what would be considered like really muscular lean for most and this is just for my experience of reading for years and years about lifters and this and that for men if you're natural and you get your arms up to 17 inches that's a lean relatively lean that's a big ass arm that's a very big arm natural the 20 inch that usually comes from super genetics and anabolic steroids but again I mean it's so different from person to person and getting lean I've done this I've lost 15 pounds worked out and everybody comes up to me and says oh my gosh how did you gain so much muscle and I didn't the difference is I look like I gained a bunch of muscle each side has if you're a bigger bone your arms may naturally look bigger or put on muscle easier but so I mean my wrist and ankles are like a 13 year old girl so I have like these tiny little petite frickin wrists and their dainty his dainty ankles right now the benefit of that though is like all the years of building muscle and working towards that and then when I get on physique when I was competing man it looked way more pronounced I have this tiny little waist because that's my so the muscle that I did put on it looks more pronounced because it's yeah it's more exaggerated than the guy that had the boxier square waist and the thicker wrist and the thick he may even have more muscle but when you look at it and we present it on stage I look better for those reasons so you know they all have their pros and cons I think getting hung up on you know is it easier for me or harder for me or is it better to have this or that you know there was an old body but this is like probably the 1930s there was a standard for balance that they used and they used to say that your arm and they actually used to do this to see if their body was balanced your arm your neck and your calf measurement need to be the same if your arm neck and calf measurement are the same then you back to those standards back then you are balanced you have a balanced physique kind of interesting next question is from Forever Strong Cairo I'm an old has been and just want to look and feel like I can still fuck shit up hey what program will help with that oh boy strong yeah okay so it depends I feel like map strong map strong is for building just impressive muscle and strength it is very effective it's funny we came out with that program and it was a sleeper we didn't realize so many people would like it and it's one of our most positively commented super underrated strongman competition and you automatically do what everybody does naturally which is I don't identify with a strongman I have no desire to look like them I have no desire to compete in that so you don't go get that program you don't follow that but that type of training yeah you want to fuck shit up like I mean the work sessions that are in there that type of lifts that you're doing the upper back development strength you're lifting awkward things and in different positions that are more relatable to actual objects you're going to pick up in life and you know trees and rocks and you know like shifting bags and all that kind of stuff so it really preps you for that so I would agree with you guys with that my other suggestion would have been you know performance just because you could move you know explosively and fluidly in which you know turns you into a badass in my opinion yeah and here's okay and you just want to look at aesthetic and split you know what I'm saying which I like that you know all show no go you know what I'm saying I look like a fuck shit up you look like a stage I look like a fuck shit up you know what I'm saying but I wasn't racing and beating nobody anywhere you know okay and of course it needs to be appropriate for you right so if you're a beginner then maybe MAP Strong wouldn't be the best program for you you might do like a MAPs anabolic he's not I know who he is oh you do yeah yeah no he's a very experienced lifter I agree with you then and he understands mobility very well so he's a definitely oh he's a chiropractor yeah yeah so yeah you know he's smart guy so he knows what the hell he's doing I definitely would push him in the direction of strong I think strong is probably the way to go next question is from Pat of Blanc why do most calories and macro calculators still use the old school one gram per pound of body weight and even above 1.2 grams while cutting when most recent studies show no benefits for muscle building or fat loss and going above 0.7 grams per pound okay it is true that studies show that you don't derive any extra muscle building benefits from eating more than around 0.7 grams of protein per body weight however is it per body weight or is it per kilogram of muscle no no no that's per pound of body weight when they use kilogram then it's a different it's a different see I feel like that's the metric that uses 0.7 to 0.8 is when they're talking about kilograms no that's the old that's the old crappy one these are studies that show high protein you know build muscle because I know Lane shared a study a while back that there's some there's some benefits to the upper limits of up to 1.5 well here's where the benefits I think most of them come from because there's a lot of studies that have been done on this okay and yeah you can find the outlier studies but the vast majority of them the consensus is roughly 0.7 grams of protein per pound of body weight anything more than that and you don't derive any more muscle building benefits does that mean you're not going to get any more benefits not necessarily because here's something that protein provides by the way has to be appropriate for you but I mean by that is some people eat too much protein and it messes up their digestion if that's you don't go in this direction okay that will make your gains bad digestion will mess you up more than anything else but if you're cool with it eating more protein has this benefit right here you might not build more muscle but boy is it an appetite suppressant out of all the macronutrients protein is very very satisfying so if you're trying to drop body fat it helps a lot to eat a lot of protein you're less likely to overeat I also think it's really tough for most people unless you weigh a buck fifteen it's really tough to hit one to one and so if you're targeting one or one point five or one point two you'll fall short but you'll be good exactly some days you're going to fall short and you're going to be just fine or maybe even days you go way lower point six but then the next day you hit one point two or one point five because it's so funny we look at everything in these like small control groups and studies that way it doesn't know the difference of day twenty or hour twenty five or twenty nine it's like it's over the course of a longer period of time of that so and the reality is most people most people not bodybuilders most average clients that I trained under consumed protein so I always like to push them to one to one I always even though I know that point seven is all they need I'm pushing them in the direction of one to one because I know I've been two hundred twelve pounds I don't eat two hundred and twelve grams of protein a day that's a lot I eat probably a hundred and sixty to a hundred and seventy grams of protein and that's me chasing protein I mean two hundred how many chicken breasts would be two hundred grams of protein not to mention that I think there's a lot of benefit and some days you actually hitting two fifty and then another day you only hitting fifty so we've talked about this before I think where this you get in trouble is you're hitting above one point five to two and you're and you're one of those competitors who's weighing it measuring it every day and consuming that or above and you've now you've married this the average person that's just kind of trying to figure out like oh where should my protein be targeting a number like wasn't there like I think I remember back when a lot of these biohackers were trying to really press the fact that you know more than point seven like you're going to get into through the mTOR pathway and all this kind of stuff that they're proposing in terms of it being carcinogenic at a certain point Yeah so when they start to make the cancer arguments it's silly because in a pro-cancer environment okay so you're unhealthy pro-cancer you can make the case for every macronutrient unhealthy if you're inflamed you have this was big for a while pre-cancer cells going on you're not healthy and then you have a tumor that's growing in your body a lot of protein or a lot of carbs you're going to fuel it you're going to fuel the growth of it you're going to fuel the growth of the cancer less so fat but yeah not even fat now if you're healthy then you're fine you're totally fine you're not going to be fueling that just okay look how about this estrogen testosterone right male and female hormones in a pro-cancer environment depending on the cancer both of those hormones can fuel cancer right so if you have high testosterone and you have one of the ways they prevent the cancer from growing is to block your testosterone if you have breast cancer they'll put you on drugs that block the effects of estrogen does that mean estrogen and testosterone are cancer producing hormones or they're pro-cancer no but in the context of cancer lots of things then become you know drivers of cancer protein being one of them but so is carbs so is pretty much anything else which is why I think didn't they accept isn't fasting now a protocol for cancer it is there was that one study that was done that showed that people who fasted before doing chemo in conjunction with chemo yeah killed way more cancer cells and protected more of the healthy cells so you know fasting's got some interesting implications for or applications I should say for cancer you know in Chinese medicine fasting was one of the ways they treated cancer for thousands of years they saw a tumor they had the person I mean obviously you're starving the tumor as well so anyway look mind pump is recorded on video as well as audio so you can come find us on youtube mind pump podcast you can also find all of us on instagram you can find Justin at mind pump Justin me at mind pump Sal and Adam at mind pump Adam