 My wisdom that goes through the I see everyone is muted. Hello Hello Right with the world sweet fucking bowl. Wow. What an amazing control. I know I'm in awe of the editing of that Legitimately incredibly impressive We saved you by taking you to a bar. Yeah, that was a good deal good like no metal drink yourself drown your sorrows Yes, if you're gonna die at least support the economy while doing so. Yeah, don't forget to tip your bartender The part was very selfish. I admit That I was muted because I laughed my ass off during a lot of that. That was extremely impressive I had to be myself. I always think almost forget to do it. I'm like Jesus Christ I say anything it's all the fucking permanent recording of the anniversary. It's like me going there So that's ringing noises We all like to go Do we Sometimes lease them out The the EFAP universe phase 2 you may notice we've switched out our cast almost entirely Millions faces as well as returning faces. How's everyone how you're doing? Hello? I'm going You got um, we got plenty you guys to enjoy but first when we have such a varied and Invested in life cast I feel like this is a good selection of people that probably maybe try and get us a gothic game Got a phone game going all right You don't need to know You're saying gothic gothic phone. Yeah, I think well garthick garthick When you were younger, did you guys just used to take garlic and just eat it really? I Didn't do that either So for those who have all wait Gary you played this before I on the other anniversary did you I know as did I Don't know Maybe You're there's no way to be bad at it unless you're Yeah, yeah, it's really really bad at it, but let's just say his talents lie elsewhere clearly So many skills drawing was not one of them the way it works Is that the game asks you to write a prompt for like an image so four exactly give you an example For example man walking down street or fish in pond or something like that And then the person draws it who was given that given to draw it and then the next round Someone else has to describe the picture in that format and so eventually we get to see how everything unraveled when we get Rags is calling the unicorn for anybody who Because there's not a dog they don't have a dog is the weirdest fucking Yeah, I guess there's no reason not to just start immediately, but is anybody unclear on these amazing rules Don't worry. We'll be doing other things today in case someone here hates drawing hates life Do it we have to do here, how do we get started? So it's someone here not here Who we missing we got me meme J long bone totally not Hitler metals Adam fringy rags who who's the missing one? Is it always a Gary? The links in the disco The ad man Oh shit, I guess I got a block. I sounded like a blender like some kind of mean blender I'm mad. Thank God. It wasn't my porn Yeah, so Just let anyone know if any of you are confused or I'll just start up normal game Do I do I ever put on any settings other than normal? We just have it on normal, right? Yeah Maybe would have remembered if we wouldn't have fled the last one without me wait, who are you? Super All righty, he's one in the video who tried to kill himself Yeah, I don't remember that guy All right, I'm gonna stop here we go. Oh shit. I think it's echoing. Is it? Yeah, I think it was yeah, could be all right for now. I guess I I muted mine I don't know if that makes a difference well, and you do that's probably me because it's going through my sound system What do you need it man? I should well you just mean We'll just make up anything that someone's got to draw Okay, well, I'm just gonna go yes Right right a sentence. Yeah, you might have to draw it or you may have to draw someone else's that's the thing So who knows what other people will provide for you. Yeah, it's just sort of What I'm certain new radical song Is a g-rated Christian broadcast wait what does someone send me zero one six Draw something Old in here it's gonna take time. This stuff is I don't know why anyone would have concluded to draw zero Alright it but hey, you know what not judging. Oh my god. Okay. Do I have a time limit here? Oh, Jesus Yeah, it's all right. You have three fourths of a pizza left. Oh, boy. Okay Shit, there's lots of time. Holy cow. I'm like done already. How do you undo oh well If you are finishing a role Z ready up you might even finish early. Oh god. That was terrible There's an amazing drawing. No one could mistake this at this point. I think I feel like I've already screwed this up There's not enough time I Have done the challenge. Oh Wow, that was fast. Oh my close Good gave me too much. Yeah This is like Different tips and stuff That's kinky How do you like your tips Adam? Yeah Very big That's fair enough to have a big tip. I Always leave a big tip for my delivery drivers and Restaurants Of course, yeah, everyone wants to be a big tipper. Yeah, everyone wants to be a big tipper. Unfortunately, not all of us are Collectively, of course. That's so disappointing, right? Well, it makes you appreciate the big No, you're about time better draw Oh You're already blending Yeah, cuz it's the first time I've used this tablet on just the I guess I just outlined dude, it's gonna be so bad. Why am I doing this? Okay, do do we have the same scenes we're supposed to scribe you or no You'll know Someone's drawing of someone's prompt and then you have to oh Jesus Christ, I don't even know I guess I could have made it easier on Someone already knows Mahler's thanks Mahler Okay All right, well, oh, this is nice and simple Okay, all right Those are not easy things to draw. What are you guys doing? I'm reading this prompt and I feel like I'm having a stroke Already. Oh my yeah. Yeah, it's um like it seems simple when you read the first two words and then it continues Well, they always do that carrying on pot. Yeah Is there? Okay, this is well, I guess straight line That's big a touch No, you it couldn't be a game Fill bucket is kind of janky guys. So really what? This is the greatest art making fucking thing. I don't know you mean If only we got a little better fill action going, but that's okay. I won't use it again I'm curious what you'll draw. You're going to be really good happen You like rags rags is one. Are you using a tablet at him or just an ounce? No, I'm just using my mouse Of course why using a tablet will be cheating. Okay guys talking about Tablets are allowed. Oh my god If you happen to have one that would make it so much. No fair Jesus Okay, that's exactly what I will do. I mean mine was like autistic stick figures regardless. So that's fine. That's fine Mine just mine are incredible. I would say I guess Well, I mean you are an artist. Oh, yeah, not if you talk to Twitter Oh Fuck I got to draw Lisa Simpson stuff. Oh damn it. Time is always against us. Yeah, he's is Christ Mine's a beaut Get finished with this It's all right, if you don't finish it, I'm sure people can interpret Oh my god What why is one place that's one drop is gay or what's that? I'm supposed to describe this scene. Oh come on wait. I Think it's oh, it's it's It is but luckily it's not that bad because it's only repeating the bell. Oh Now This this is not this is not what? This is difficult, but I accept the challenge. I don't even understand these words Must be one more words or something then They don't come together into anything coherent Potentially, I'll try my goddamn best That's all you ask for yeah now for the street Where's the the resize Reson what you can resize? No, this is fancy programming using what is oh, it's got a line feature. That's it. Oh I hope this is brown I'm kind of rolling with whatever's brownish myself. I'm to droll in the Hmm have to interpret this shit. Oh, no, great. Oh my fucking god Answer that oh shit You're out of time element. I forgot Can't have blue dick in here One of you had fun drawing Luigi, huh? Speed Lukey Your problem awesome come on vision is in my head and I'm trouble Shit from the prompt. It feels like it shouldn't be that hard to figure this out. Yeah, it's always the way isn't it? It's how they get you It's the ones you don't think are easy that really end up being the hard ones which is sort of what you expect, but Oh, that color right? I think random playlist of heaven like the odd Coyons and it's like a very CSI investigative one playing right now What it's a ball considering what I'm drawing which what are what are people watching right now one? Are they watching me draw so they get they get a little bit of the spoilers Good. Oh, I gotcha. I don't even I can't even figure this one out 16 Gary, huh? Where you guys still fucking around with that number I Yeah, she quite glad I got this from because I just finished my rewatch a break in bad You're right guys. It isn't massive and they'll do They can't get too big contrary to popular Opinion. Oh damn. What is this? Seems as if Michelangelo has entered the chat Even try I just got a blank blank screen. Oh, no No, that's that's legitimately not cool That was me I was like what what you didn't draw anything. I couldn't I didn't know I'm like what does this even say Oh They're gonna have to interpret all right actually peed on the screen, but you couldn't tell so it's true modern art I went all in it's all good Very difficult Do not condone this prompt. No such thing is difficult Terrible what do Yoda say always do always try Those who try the most fail the most Damn Yoda, what do you mean, man? Geez, is that fail? I have myself feel better about it. That's all Demon I think I got Gary's last prompt I'm very Confused well, maybe you shouldn't Thought about that. Yeah, okay. Is this Rags is this your prompt? Is that what you did to us? I? Wouldn't do anything to you. I wouldn't mind having done to myself tried to confuse us. Is that what you're trying to do? I'm trying to what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to set you up for success. Oh Yeah, I don't somehow I'm giving I'm giving you your mom I'm like Tabe. I'm going to set you up to do something you've always wanted to do There's a verb in this sentence that has like there's no There's no pictogram for it What does that even mean? Well, how do you need to you know? There's very like run. I know how to draw a run Urban here that is just like how do you draw like if you were a true artist? What is that? Oh, I You should bring your own interpretation to the command I was so lame more prompts, please You can play this all fucking night. All righty here we go Oh Top right of your screen in the city Adam show six six colors first I don't know a peeing hovers over a ball in the ocean Universe I mean, that's about accurate That's fair enough magic come shot. It's my own design meme you've drawn one penis You know, come on. What am I supposed to do for this is a classy production? I mean, I like the drawing We Less than three What am I a pretty Xbox gave so it's an Xbox now I thought someone fucked up writing an X Oh He's full of bugs or is it candy mouse signing a bill? Oh That's basically Disney. It's just it's a mouse that signs bills apparently much rat writing a shopping list All right She's holding a massive dildo Yeah, yeah, he's gonna commit sepico of it cheesy sponge Bob looking at weird Oh They kept the That's very weird Mario Luigi making out. Oh, no now see I I denied your prompt Another solo game was denied Oh Luigi going insane from the mold infecting his brain Luigi discovers myth It's literally Luigi tries to sell some blue sky Okay, then Money close enough blue sky money Jimmy is holding a box Give an example I'm straightforward. I Don't recognize it though. So that scares me Holding his medium-sized package In security the ongoing struggle With a tiny pipe The revolution of whose sons chair Let's carry it There's something Sees abstract Lisa Simpson. That's a prompt. They gave me a stroke Oh Nice I like that sentient egg eats other regs I Must consume you my brothers I thought it was supposed to be secret Oh I definitely misread Prince On the photo copy machine Yellowhead Fred let his back snake into the box Everyone didn't end up too foul a happy duck lived a happy live atop a happy Here I need facts we make no medical claims Has been spiked dark. Well, I didn't want to draw Well, so he got He got sick and then he got screwed Three colorful birds ate a normal-sized meal normal-sized meal Look at that one bird What is happening A flaming chicken and a fat man fight over a burger Yeah, the flaming cock takes on a burnt chicken I Yeah, you could call that a burger you could call that a knife. Hey, yeah, this thing's happening in that image Cinderella dying at a funeral At a funeral nice at least they're ready for it. I got the little mouse Morning the death of Linda Oh, aren't you already dead at a funeral? No The death of his human boyfriend boy Rats boy friend Is a narrator is secretly against gay marriage That was something at some point of that day It's that damn feel i'm telling you All right now because everyone yeah, there is control z control z is undo there's a little arrow Is that too? Yeah, um now that everyone's very clear now we're everyone on board with uh with another round Yeah, now sure that I know actually how it works. Yeah, what do we do more humiliation in my life? Let's do it. Yes How do we get more time? That's what I want to know. No, you can do that, but no fucking way Exercise eat well Oh The beer level of intensity with the sounds I want it to all wash over me Oh my god, do I I I don't think I am I should be so privileged just to draw such a thing You do sometimes feel that way when you see these prompts here. Wow, he shows me So lucky especially applicable considering what I'm drawing mine's more like I'm so sorry I will never apologize for being privileged enough to witness this on magic Come shot It's my own design. How does it feel meme to be told by movie bob that you're not interested? you know, that's um There are dimensions to that there are dimensions to to having been been told that their timelines universes and realms Yeah Is there a whole timeline's worth of thoughts? whole dimensions of examination It was the one video of all of mine that I've had like the most people work on to say that everyone sucks on it It's like wow, what a dick What a piece of shit Yeah, I think I'm all pissed off. Movie Bob's real nice. No They're like more pissed off by the person who said like oh, it's such low effort. It's just like Motherfucker, do you know what? Oh, yeah, I like that you posted like the fucking Genuinely, dude, the uh the work on blanks face. It's it's movie quality Oh, thank you The idea is like put in more effort next time like me person who like I don't even know puts the poster on screens And talks about the movie like yeah, I go Yeah, all right, that's the way you haven't watched the video without saying you have watched the video Well, they're proud of that. That's the weird part They say like I would never watch something like that Yeah, you seen you use like new some some new plugin or whatever was it? Yeah, I used um, this is plugin called lockdown for after effects, which um, basically it it's it helps you to like um say you want to put a A logo on a t-shirt, but obviously like it's folding It's doing all this stuff that makes it very obvious that even if you track it properly It's not going to move with the shirt So what this plugin does is you can draw around that area It'll track it for you and you can even set up custom markers and all that to get as um details as you want And then you can just um drag and drop a um like an image onto that Thing and it will actually like contort and deform With the surface that it's on. Um, it still requires like fine tuning and everything, but it's It's uh, it's such a game changer as far as my workflow is concerned Wait, I mean for those who don't know if he did that without a request. I was like, well It's like really impressive I had to like Fix it continuity wise because there had to be an ending to it, you know, because Other elements go to other stuff But I think I tried to replace all the relevant visuals in your section with it, but I don't know if I got them all Yeah, well, I think um, I didn't notice any any gaps with that I like I I legit almost I almost suggested like, you know, if you want like the rest of the blank shots Um a blank of five, um, I can I can probably do that Ah I think I would have gone for that if we had a bigger timeline Yeah, like um, because I was just figuring like it's probably a better use of time to just get more um overall footage done by that point that Oh, it was I think there were people in chat going like, oh no change it back change it back. I know was kind of creepy I don't know how many people here have seen it, but uh Manages to edit it so that um captain marvel's face disappears. It's kind of like scary. Yeah All right pizza has to be involved with this I just can't believe that this prompt is having me draw an outright insane fiction Never happen a captain marvel in any universe not being smug cunt. That was that was just amazing that they did that Someone in disney has a soul, you know, they had to make sure Oh Hey, what happened? They made her not a one face of continuity they cared about No she is a cunt Well yeah, absolutely The alternate universe one Oh, of course Fuck no, no, no, no That was the deleted Dr. Strange scene Ah I needed like an extra, oh that looks terrible, but I'll go with it How do you get extra time? What? I'll figure it out He was trying to find a way to save the universe. He didn't find one, but he kept looking How fucking dare he what a stupid man? Why not dare she fucking beg it? Whoa? Yeah Oh, I think it's a finish. You just have to write Oh shit You're gonna see an unfinished dancer. Great. Uh, that's me. My name will be on it. So all right They will shape whatever They will shape me So I think the hardest part of that blank effect well outside of just figuring out how to do it was um when black bolt does his Big big yell. I had to manually like Correct the the mask over the face so that it would also be changing with the uh with with the Shockwave, I guess Um, otherwise it would look really off. I don't know if I got enough time to render this masterpiece Render it my god. Yeah It's gonna be an intense piece. I imagine Um, I was I was hoping to make it pretty cool But I don't know if I've got the time to realize my artistic vision Which is really the curse thing an artist. Yeah It really is a mouse and keyboard after this because uh, it's the current method I'm using Why do you find a fancy plug into how do you draw in for you? Now I'm using the tablet and normally it's a screen tablet so I can see what I'm doing But I couldn't find my hdmi court. So I'm using it as like a um a mouse tablet um, so But I'm finding it really awkward So I might just switch back to the mouse after this Well, I I don't have one my mind is just uh when I plug in it doesn't have a screen built into it I have to look at my monitor like a plebian Yeah, it's what I'm doing and my I think I could get the hang of it if I practice but this is like This is the first time I'm doing it this way and it's uh Compromising my artistic integrity The more you do it the better you'll get at it. That's true Yeah, you're that great. That's pretty yeah, that's pretty perfect. So I have drawn here Oh, no, no, no, no No, yeah Creepy enough Oh, no, no, no, no, no Oh, shit. I'm really looking forward to seeing what that is Oh, god Oh It just went blackface and I didn't mean to A little bit of an accidental blackface here and there yeah, I know prime ministers have done that Yeah, don't let blackface get in the way of your dreams. I can get ready. I got you. I save you Oh, what what even what am I I don't know? Uh Hmm. Oh, I know they need a resize. They really do That would make it just amazing I have the exact thing you were talking about for me. I I got so much to draw. I just don't know if I can do it in time Yeah It's really is a horrible Blight The passage of time They're like the sistine chapel Yeah, did he only have one minute to make all this? I think not I'm not sure I think he might have I'd have to check the wiki. All right It's time for some cool shading fucker some extra Fold lines on some texture on the clothing That can thin lines guys make sure you uh Well, what we're gonna do Yeah, happy trees happy trees happy accidents That was his way of saying detail, okay to be an accident cool amount of time Yeah, oh it is. I know just when things are getting good you're like Denied But now I sit down that is that is the best I can do good enough Scale tail uh tool really just kick this up to the next level Someone didn't like their prompt Oh, they liked it a lot I don't know that seems about right Why does it have legs? Oh, shit. I should probably add that Oh my good god I don't have enough time to oh man Well, we do the basic outline first Now this is one that I have complete confidence. I can do it Famous last words Yeah, I feel like I'm done. Oh, no wait. I can draw teeth on it I'm gonna give him a background Trying to figure out, you know, how do you make this thing rabid? And that's the answer I find myself asking that all the time Them's are some weird sounds Yeah What what's going on? What happened? You're like, oh good. I can I have time for veins Oh Oh my god Can we show that on youtube? You've got veins I hope so All right. All right. There we go. Oh, wow Uh, can you can you win go so fast? What happened? What was that rex? Wait, can I get a drink while I go go get a drink? Yeah, how do we pause it? I don't pause here Run rack and the run. No, wait. Go ahead and play it. I'll just give my drink after we watch. No, just let him go Let him go. No. No, this is what my second suggestion I've decided A friendly game of backgammon A friendly game of backgammon. Oh my goodness. Nice very Well already Attack them out of nowhere. Oh, no Attack them from nowhere Oh my god Wow syringe man punched a regular man to death regular man to death Oh, look at that. Nice rex. That's very good. That's pretty good. Punch his joe for indecent exposure Oh I like how the dick is at a different level of detail to the rest A lot of attention on that dick Harvey Weinstein's dick Oh My johnson Look at it for a year. Oh, no, not johnson The creation of man Dips the fingertips, I swear I'm touching Now that is absolutely This is how our species says hello True Prostate stimulator Stimulator Moller removing his gas mask for the very first time for the very first time uh-oh face reveal here Wait a second, that's a fake. Oh god. What is this? Oh my god. Moller is happy and it's creepy Well Now they're after a six hour wank Moller looking up smth's lengthy as him Well Yeah, well, there's like your next four profile pictures right there. Yeah, this is a free way to get arms, man Mario absolutely makes out without his consent Uh-oh Mean butch with hogging sugar In the bleach again She's obviously hiding the sugar Well now they're after multi-versive Nice touch with the green dollar science. Yeah. Thank you all over the bond I Wasn't quite sure what gleaming was I'm free. Oh, it says, okay Now gone from this world Someone is very unhappy if they're wrong He's very unhappy with his mouth. Oh I like it's like a text box with the words Look at that time to color even wow rags use f smaller. Oh eggs are smaller. Uh-oh That's me. Oh, yeah rags betrays on malice betrays on on why you betraying on me. Uh, yeah Uh-oh a sand glass wearing cat chasers Look at that pussy chase smaller Now I know how I got to mine switched it around Moller runs from a rabbit runs from a rabid pussy And I wouldn't have known that that was if you didn't draw the urethra That's important urethra The universe full of ducks eating pizza. Oh, that's nice The universe full of ducks eating pizza. Oh, look at that Ducklings at the pizza party ducklings at a pizza party Oh Chick-whits versus a That's like one of the best conventions How many people died during that Super adam goes to the grocery store his baguette was young Oh, that's a very yummy baguette Yo Ronald was horrifically burned on half the face by the fire Oh He had an accident with belt His employees revolted. You know how I got these scars Yeah, exactly. I used to be a McDonald's cloud. We've done it. The cure for cringe. Oh, the cure for cringe. Oh, wow The anti-cringe another syringe the anti-cringe world My autism spread she's got to be closed. Not the till I had to get a real Mendo fan runs like the wind mongo fan runs like the wind Oh Whenever you It always ends up being named mongo independently. It was too long. Please leave Three men and a dead baby fish three men and I might have misinterpreted this Oh Soon sleeping with the fishes Ah, oh, oh, yeah, I see. Yeah invisible man fishes for depressed What the Oh, it's kind of looks like a whale. Yeah Oh I like the whole legs on her very nice. Look at that. Oh my goodness. Oh boy. Is she only say look at the leg from that fine lady It's like yeah, cuz he's got like eight Oh, yeah, adam. You don't need to read these out. I got text to speech on Oh, do you? Oh, yeah, yeah Um, all right, everybody. How you feeling? What do you want to do? Um, I'm gonna get a you do whatever. I'm gonna get a drink real quick during the break Uh, this is a new one There's a new one. Oh compliments I was trying to do to me. I know the memes. All right. Okay, good. Um Out of curiosity, how long like who here You know, what's what's the first person here is probably gonna have to leave. That's that's maybe we should base around that Uh, probably me because I'm getting really tired I see Um, yeah, the table sub turn ball You always come on our stream after I've streamed for like 10 hours Now I'm fresh and you're like eight hours in I'm actually about 10 hours in Yeah, it's great. Let's debate something quick. All right. Let's do it. No Well, we want to debate We uh, just out of curiosity, then would everybody be right? Maybe with one more normal and then we'll go and uh I'm down. Let's do another one. Yeah This is a lot of fun. Let's do it. Great. How are you? Having a blast. How much time do I get to kidnap you Gary? Oh A couple hours at least Yeah I'll steal all of you That's right. Family's in bed. Oh, I'm free Like uh, uh, Gary Like it's judging me and I'm crying about it. It's like, sorry Yeah, I look like I'm there in it jaylon. I am I'm like, what's up? How dare you? How dare you? I'm sorry Meme just looks really like epic Tragic or something something really bad happened. Yeah Not not blended at all rags is really far away Getting his drink hydrate ride. Yeah. Yeah hydrate. It's good for you. We uh, we are pro hydrate on the screen Yes, everyone. No. Yes, that makes you right wing though. Oh hydrating God damn it. They got me again Yeah, I like chicken wings Oh, yeah, me too. Yeah, I like right and left chicken wings personally Hmm, what about Santa? I see Do you like the center wing? No, I'm not into the center fence sitting wing. Wow He just eats the wings. He throws the body away. What kind of mutton are you describing? Free wing chicken? Oh, they do them a kfc. I think it's great Oh, yeah Does it like come as the whole bird with the wing right in the center and the collar bone? Well, it's yeah, apparently they're from Chernobyl. I don't know. They taste great. That's all I know Might not be a wing, but we're we're not asking too many questions naturally spicy when it tastes that good You don't ask question naturally spicy. I have returned tastes like chicken Oh, guys, I'm just but another the Chernobyl economy is thriving Brightest sentence. Oh Man jokes on you guys. I already written mine I was done before you. Hey, you should have given us a heads up. We could have thought about this ahead of time Oh, that's up. Oh, I was gonna say it gave you a heads up when it gave you the problem thing Like hey heads up. Yeah, it was like three four two one five And then write a sentence I think it's commencing right now my house. Oh, no the music still I don't click done. I like the thing do it for me. Oh, okay. This is all right Who wrote this This is undrawable Man, you keep encountering those. No one else is complaining about undra- well I mean what the hell There's no way I'm a 25 and I've drawn nothing this sucks I'm quite satisfied with the expression. I've already drawn here. It's fun The fridge is a very important aspect of a man's life Yeah Freidenberg It was this like a Fat guy character. I'd like to draw it and like in early years of school And I would always draw him with a big red shirt and the yellow m on it This felt like he would be a fan, you know, like a have a merch from a donald Oh, I'm gonna make this really dark. Well, as long as you don't go the blackface route, it'll be fine Uh, well, not literally dark just You know, I mean, how is it that I managed to draw the guy pretty easily but the fridge is like I can't draw a fridge apparently I can draw like a broken one. I don't know Best I did the best I could Is that on my tombstone? Leave me alone chat. This is smoke I'm gonna have to draw some papaya Oh moller. I gave you a layup there, dude. Oh Oh, dude, yeah, well, I'm happy with the drawing For the most part good What the Uh, that went artistically literal on this one That is good Oh I'm not even sure what I'm doing with this one. How you guys romps rags bring you the good You know, they're pretty good. How are you smaller? Fine. Okay all right This is a good one. It's just gonna take me a little bit This one is something I don't really know I like that. I haven't forgotten my ability to draw little poops Could you ever forget? There are some things that you're that are just important enough to really commit You know in your brain to always knowing how to do Like swimming riding a bike drawing poo Yeah, well, can you really forget it? You're right. I wonder about that Hey chat, did you enjoy the batwoman episode? while we were gone I watched some of it and boy downright nostalgic batwoman It kind of was We're gonna see I hope you guys liked black mask because you're gonna be seeing him a few times Oh, I imagine most of the black mask out there. Oh, no The ones watching it must have seen like as and jay longbow's coverage. So they'll know Maybe But we don't Well, we did not post that woman spoilers. Please something's have to be said. Well to be fair. We've seen up to what like Thing episode. I don't say two season three some day. I don't even know I don't know been that long So with the black mask moment Well, uh, we'll eventually get all the batwoman episodes out because Eventually the anniversaries will keep coming out That's true by the time wolf is back on the 1000th episode Okay, I don't I don't know enough, right? Oh, this is so bad Yeah, have fun with this one whoever gets this Long as you finish batwoman before the inevitable batwoman revival in 10 years this Good enough way six a.m. Let's go I think this is a freaky drawing Because it has a green person in it He has a trademarked style Oh Oh, no, no, no I know I have courage. I don't have the talent to I wish I did I need to be able to make it gross You just have to believe in yourself Yeah, wait, but what do I do if I don't? Just wing you have to start pretend Fake it till you make it, baby Yeah, how do I fake it when I can't do it? Well, you know just pretend you can Yeah that Do we have to provide all the answers? Holy shit. Well, one of them would be right The way we're made clear it would not be the way I figured out myself. I wouldn't be asked We had a whole conversation about video games and difficulty and the conclusion was Garda Kion is too hard for moller. It is. Give me the cheat codes. I'll google don't make me Boggler only I could draw the one reborn Oh my god You know, I had a concept for this Response, but I just feel like it's going to get lost in translation. I think that's a very safe bet Yeah, I mean it will be blended I mean, I was good at drawing galafar. This is kind of similar. You know what? I think it worked out well I There we go. Someone will get something out of that. I'm sure If you've seen the movie, I think you can agree that was fine This is very strange Well, that was straightforward The coloring helped a lot. I agree You're a coloring I'm sorry You're a color Brown like poo But also brown like chocolate. So hey What are you guys laughing at? This is a very serious serious game Lives are at stake because you guys are so quiet over there. You must be I am concentrated. I think everyone is taking my Yeah, I'm focusing so you're doing like a masterpiece over there. You like it's a it's a piece of something If the drawing doesn't follow the rules, then everyone laughs at you and you It's true. I didn't come here to be embarrassed. There there are rules here Yeah, yeah Yeah, like be good I'll be breaking that rule I wish I could do transparent stuff Totally taking the inspiration from stimson's what your tongue does when you gal Will wiggle. Yeah, I'd say here often This might just be my masterpiece hang this up. I won't My brain kind of gave up. No, I just it's fine. Whatever this is. I drew is fine All right, we'll leave that You would be wearing white Oh, that doesn't look he's here No, not that Worst image of god I'm sorry for everyone I offend No, well, I didn't get an image of god One more drawing, huh? Yeah, all right. Make this a good one. Here we go This is what you'll be remembered for oh shit. Oh, that one's gonna come off really bad No I need that one back dude. I need to finish what I was writing. I need a refund Oh, I really need that one back Sometimes you just gotta remember that images are but a series of shapes Enduring to become whole Dude that Nietzsche probably But probably not Even the right color That skin color that can't be it No, sometimes if you increase the absurdity of what you're drawing it will actually make it easier to draw You're full of shit, you know it Sometimes Sometimes the shit is full of you Yeah Have you ever considered that increase the absurdity? Wow Yes Oh, I really needed more time. I feel Oppressed one I don't know I'm not finished Oh I may have made a mistake. Uh-oh It wasn't as big as mine. I promise you I see that often Actually, I do Oh, no Let's do it. Oh, all right. There's a large man with a gun. All right. This is easy I can't screw this one up Yeah Man who jerks off too much robs his son with a gun Angry clouds screaming it's a robot. Yeah, sure Yeah Oh, that's good. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's good. 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Oh, that's the prompt that was like, what? Man questions the existence of artists youtuber Tries to understand the unfeeling machine don't try don't try Greycube refuses to feed angry man You're supposed to be a pedo lettuce hustler fail, sorry I just how you tell if someone's a pedo Communist girl she's easy to Freedal loves communism Oh There are a few things more patriotic than a bald eagle Guy standing on the surface of the moon Interesting Yeah, it's good God throws a quarter God force pushes gray potato lemon Gray potato lemon and then Well, obviously it's a great potato lemon. Yeah, no, I got that everyone. Yeah, that's obvious A church full of worms actual worms full to the brim Oh House of god, but with ducky in it Holy shit in a church God of carrots tired of carrots bullshit Mary Bob's fridge quits on him McDonald's man crying over burning jenga tower Sola's eyes Ronald watching for cops as he dispels his No That's it folks I like Arctic fun. It's good. Yeah, it's pretty great All right, that was fun. That was a lot of skill is not only not required. It's not encouraged. Yeah, exactly Oh, man It's just when you can follow it along. There's some level of Like oh, yeah, yeah, yeah Well movie while watching this pretty explode became like an insurance scam. Yeah It makes sense somehow elaborate plan. All right, then let us go to Phase two. We'll go back to video watching. All right Maybe you do you do your video watching I'm gonna leave you for now because I'm getting very tired I'm really judging you I'm sure I'll be back for phase three episode three. Whatever you want to call it. I don't know Phase three. Yes You you'll never get rid of me forever. Cool. All right. Oh jeez. Yeah Yeah Bye chat Cheerio Off he goes. All right. Yeah, there we go. So we here today if you all jump into that watch together are lucky enough To witness I've told you about this video Gary. I told you about it. What's happening? Yeah, you did Oh my hang on mentioned it. What are we in for? On real bbc remaining, but yeah, so is this theory? Okay? Well, so funnily enough the reason this was found I saw in the discord was um, You know how everyone hates what they've done with hulk It was like yeah people are making videos about it now because like it's like I'll explain to you guys What's wrong as if any of us don't know but I'm not blaming them. You know make your videos go ahead Um, but like there was a couple of them that came out and one of them did pretty well It was like, you know, how the mcu killed the hulk and it went through like all the different movies and stuff I think someone in the discord watched that and was like, that is pretty good Let's see what else this guy's done He made another video and then they shared it and they're like, they don't know if this is any good And I saw the title and I was like what the fuck The title of this video is Joss Whedon hates captain america What? And I was like what? I've never heard that theory and of course it must be referring to either avengers or age of ultron because What else could it be? And I mean, I've seen those films. I assume some of you guys have I never would have described Cappers being like shout on in those films. He's quite awesome. So you know Like what what what what is the argument and I checked the video Um, it's not great Oh, it's not fantastic. So I figured maybe we could check it out and see what you guys think If you'll see, let's give it a look. All righty. Let's do it. Trust me with an open mind Is everybody in we got one, two, three Oh, yeah, that is everybody Captain america I think I made it So just I don't know if I can trust someone who can't be in the center of their own profile picture Yeah What he said Let's see hiding over there Anyone here not seen avengers Spoilers Yeah No, I mean This is just curious. So you'll know the context of these arguments Even I've seen it. Yeah It's been a while I've seen it once or twice. Yeah, I saw it that one time All right. Yeah, Joss Whedon hates captain america. Please allow me to write into it Hey, you know what with everything Theo was losing his fucking mind with videos that don't get into it So we're lucky. This one's going right in. Yeah Before we start, I mean Joss Whedon has said publicly many times that he hates the punisher But he doesn't like but he's never said anything about captain america. He hates the punisher. Why does he hate the punisher? He said if he had a chance to take over the marvel universe, he would get rid of the punisher because he's so violent You know Okay, that's curious considering some of the characters Joss has written Well, is he annoyed that people like like the punisher? Is that the idea? He's probably Too edgy. Yeah I I would guess I just say it's it's his Hollywood ideology Well, because he's got that weird thing where he's like when characters are quote-unquote evil. He doesn't like it when the audience like them Um, even though like yeah, most of you know, like when when everyone's like, I fucking love Darth Vader It's not like when yay, bro planets. Woo-hoo Remember Joss is a male feminist. So he doesn't like the old school 80s action brutal Yeah, you know Arnold Schwarzenegger types. That's Yeah, he said that like a over a decade. Oh god, maybe 15 years ago Well, yeah, because that's the weird thing like I I've never known him to say anything publicly about cap But if you had just told me like he said a lot about cap or something I'd be like, oh, shit. I didn't know but what do you think is this guy is going strictly off the movie no quotes Nothing else crazy. Okay. Yeah In America, please allow me to explain when the film starts he gets an okay introduction But it's ultimately quite shallow We go from him learning that he's in the future straight to him getting new missions from shield The film would greatly benefit from learning more about his perspective on the new world What his thoughts are on the technology and culture So that happens in the film Do we not yeah, I was about to say do we nor get that like that is throughout the film? I would argue um But uh, most importantly The first line he has tells you a shit turn about what he thinks Maybe this guy will address that maybe maybe because yeah, it's it's odd Um, I think that that's a reasonable assumption that you should spend your time from cap one into avengers Probably talk about like how does he deal with the transition? It's like to be fair It's an ensemble movie, but they totally have loads of examples I would say most if not all of his dialogue relates to him being a man out of time Um, which is how he feels and there's and there's deleted scenes where he's even more like acclimating to The to the the whole modern world which are cut But it showed that joss weeden was thinking about that and was putting scenes in there to give him the option To go even more detail into that more detailed into that so I don't It's not a good start when I know those scenes exist And your whole prospect here is that he hates him and this is one of your arguments Also, saughan is in chat saying I suck that I missed this because I got prior engagements. Everyone shame him bad person. Yeah How he feels about losing his old life and other things of that nature This eventually gets addressed in winter soldier But that doesn't retroactively save this film from lacking content a severely missed opportunity. He's giving us captain america's first impressions of tony stark Yeah, that's in there He's got a lot of impressions of tony stark, but arguably it's just great. All right. Did you not watch the movie? You'll be asking yourself that a lot Steve and howard stark were once very close and tony could serve as the gateway that would connect steve from the old world to this new one Um, it's funny. Isn't there a line from tony in avengers where he's like my dad never shut up about you or something like that? Or is that in physical war? Uh, that's in avengers. Yeah Yeah, I think it was Yeah, I think he's talking to someone else going like I just don't understand why my dad wouldn't shut up about this guy That's it. Yeah, because The they sew it as though they don't make it hyper over which I kind of prefer But it's the tony didn't have a fantastic relationship with his dad And of course, he has a lot of guilt that he never got to say how he felt about him before he died, right? So there's a lot of a lot of issues there. I man too goes over this. Um One of the things that he had In front of him is this guy who his dad really respected and they had a really good relationship Like tony's got this really awkward tension with cap. It's like You may have known my dad better than I did Sort of thing. There's there's a lot of neat stuff going on there It's not it's not like empty or anything Instead their introductions are relatively glossed over with their first conversations being largely about their mission It would be nice to see cap's reaction to just how far stark industries progressed And how he views tony when compared to howard, but no instead of all that We get constant references to the idea that he's dumb because he's old What What um who's dumb captain america cap is dumb because he's old Uh This guy should talk to the not so great debate guy. Literally not. Yeah You almost want to be like I do can you explain? You know what we can we give him some time for that It seems to run on some form of electricity when he's not that thing though guys like a steven hawking He's like a smart person. He may be mad just maybe He meant to Sorry, maybe he meant to say he's dumb because he's out of time dumb because he's old. Yeah He's just ignorant of things that happened when he was dead Yeah, total asshole, why don't you know things that you were dead for the guy from the 1940s is looking at this And says it runs on electricity Ah, I mean someone from today looks at that and they're like what the fuck am I supposed to do with this? I actually agree. I don't know. I don't know that sounds like something I might say is like, oh, that's electricity I think I know you've been in the present for like five minutes, but why the Fuck don't you know who steven hawking is That's a yeah, that's another thing. It's just if anything it's just good consistency in terms of like Yeah, he probably hasn't read up on steven fucking hawking and famous when he was around. So yeah, he's just like, who is that? Uh, but that doesn't make him stupid. Jeez He's not that thing though guys like a steven hawking He's like a smart person. It may be magical, but it works an awful lot like a hydro weapon. I don't know about that But why what why that's not stupid? So he just says I don't know about that. What's interesting about that line is fury wants to uh Get away from talking about hydro weapons because if you remember shield at this point have utilized hydro weapons Which is a paw point They've been lying to everybody about what they did with the hydro weapons But that's not that's not even that's not any That's just a good line in terms of giving you a setup That's not ignorance on uh caps part And even without the hydro connection And they're really fair is like this looks like a hydro weapon. I don't know about that Also, does someone remind me what the him giving him the money was for a little back there It was him being wowed about the carrier flying or something Yeah, yeah, he made it bad. It was actually um, it was as he's mocking him. He's like here's 15 cents Why don't you buy a burger and fries? Oh, yeah, that's right. It's the present You can't buy a burger and fries with 15 cents. You fuck. No, it's because Steve is from the 1940s And he's really racist Yeah, he's tipping them We invented a quality since the 40s I guess oh look we're putting black people in movies now It was that nothing would surprise him after all he's seen and then he's like he did because Thing is flying. Yeah. Why does that make someone stupid? I'm not really sure. Yeah. Yeah, okay Ignorant is no clue Polarity long enough to disengage maglev and that should speak english Steve Polarity and maglev you all know exactly what tony stark means when he says all that shit. Yeah, you're stupid I don't know what reversing the polarity means In the context of the thing doesn't he end up just saying pull the lever. It's like, ah, okay Wrong lever. I don't know why that makes him stupid that he doesn't know also. That's a good reference Tell me none of this smells a little funky for you Oh What's the problem with that one in that clip the context is cap Believes that shield is a force for good and that those two are saying something's up here Why does that make cap stupid? Why wouldn't he trust shield? What is going on with this video? I don't understand Well, then doesn't he immediately go like break into the files and look up and so he's the one that finds the He takes charge. That's not stupid. Wow No, he's stupid apparently I do I understood that reference He's glad that he knows a reference because he's probably used to not knowing things about the modern world Which is fun because the alien doesn't know human culture But the guy from the 40s knows it well enough to Be able to point that out It's funny because this moment was uh, one of people's favorites when this movie first came out. Everyone loved this How does this make him stupid again? Like he's just happy that he finally got a pop culture reference in the sea of alien fucking kim kardashian Shit, he probably got bombarded with coming out of the ice. Yeah. I don't even why And this is just an aside, but does anyone know what captain america means when he says this line? I went under the world was a war I wake up. They say we won He didn't say what we lost I've seen this film about 800 times and I could never figure it out I'm sorry. Do you mind replay really? I had to fiddle with the volume of my video and I didn't really hit I know exactly what he meant. Oh, well, we're gonna talk about this line for a while. It's a fucking great line But we'll we'll replay it. No problem. Please. Yes. Thank you Anyone know what captain america means when he says this line? I went under the world was a war I wake up. They say we won He didn't say what we lost I've seen So he has no idea what he means by that line when he's seen the movie eight times Are you serious? Do you know what happened after world war two? Does he know what happened after world war two? A lot of shit happened A lot of shit happened and he's very upset That uh, maybe we're in the modern world now Maybe captain america doesn't like paying taxes Which he didn't have to do a lot of back when he was alive and now everything gets taxed and the Post-communism and everything The destabilized europe the united nations China now. Yeah, it's all fine Everything's cool. Vietnam. That's great. I was going to say can anybody from the 1940s getting a full update up to 2012 Be happy with all the world events Did you think of any world events don't make you think like holy fuck? What happened? What did we do? Um, obviously he's referring to trump in the return of the nazi I don't It was until 2016 He's predicting it. So he predicted it. Uh, the primary interpretation I think I would get from this is the world war back where he's from is very much Clear cut bad guys good guys right and that and he would have been updated Yeah, all the walls he would have been updated on he would have been like what the fuck are these What is this? What is everyone doing and why? And then of war on poverty He went into into the ice before the uh, well the the nukes were made right? Uh, what year is captain america? Uh, yes So I assumed that it was like Too easy to remember. It was like 45 Can't totally remember. I'm pretty sure it was before the nukes and a point being that I think you might have some concerns over retcon Oreck on cap fought commies They changed all right So basically what what we're trying to point out here. There's a laundry list of what he may very well be referring to but uh I would go as far as saying it's just that things We've uh, we as a country should I say that all the I think he's referring to government powers there They've lost a lot of humanity. I think is kind of what he's getting at Uh, which is a huge thing for his arc if you remember this film is going to set it up But winter soldier's going to take it forward that uh cap loses faith in institutions So this is like about the patriot act Well, I wouldn't want to claim it's about any one thing. That's kind of the genius of the line, right? You as an individual can think about what you believe he's talking about um, right I would just take it literally the amount of human lives that have Been sacrificed after world war two that well. Yeah, sorry. That's actually a very important one as well It's just that we did we did not come out of that No, that bruises that way Um, the reason I think it's a fantastic line is one of the quickest ways to have translated a shit ton about his pov Moving from 1940s to 2012, which is what you have to do not everything is well in the world from his perspective. Yes Yeah, I just thought it like he meant personally because you know, he's woken up in this world That's so different to him that he's probably you know, he's He's upset that he's lost all these things that kind of attached him to this civilian life and now they're all gone That's the genius of the line. It can mean both things You know, his yeah his personal loss what america has lost because it I mean it was clear I mean like imagine his view on uh massive corporatism coming from the 40s It would have been nice if they had spent like an entire movie on him Yeah going over that but uh, they I think they did a really good job in Avengers covering what they needed to I mean this film about 800 times and I could never figure it out. I assume he's referring to world war two Are you blind the subtext? I gotta be on you guys have to just let him speak here. This is one of the funniest fucking interpretations of the line I've ever heard in my entire fucking life. Okay, this is this is what you go from it. Okay I'm about 800 times and I could never figure it out. I assume he's referring to world war two, but We did win that by we lost does he mean that there's still problems in the world? Later on we find out that hydra still exists by this point in the mcu for all we know They've been defeated in any case This line comes off as a pretty glass half empty response towards winning world war two That whole event was kind of a big deal and it was very hard And he should know this it's understandable if he's depressed about getting frozen But if he should find levity anywhere it should be in learning that his and everyone else's sacrifices during the war Were not in vain you would think that he would be a little bit more grateful and relieved This is just an odd line in general And roses man His literal interpretation is that he's being like disrespectful to those who died in the war He should be a little bit more positive about the fact that we won It's like are you a child like what do you what are you suggesting that you can't have any thoughts about how We came out of that war or what happened next that are negative What are you talking about? Motherfucker during the time he was frozen the world train center got built and then it got knocked down again by terrors a lot happened I I could like he's like I couldn't possibly figure out what he's trying to say But you know what he's not being very nice about the war That would have been really awkward if he was looking at pictures from like the 90s He's like wow those two there's two big towers right there. That's really cool. Can we go visit that? I really like to see these that looks really awesome. Can we go? And then like They were knocked down by people we trained what? Joss, why did you write this? Captain America's first fight because it's a good writer. I mean, yeah, it's a really really really efficient line Flokey and I'll address the elephant in the room right away This costume is atrocious the way it conforms to Chris Evans body makes him look small It doesn't help that he has a large it's all right I don't know about the making him look small the helmet is is to me, but the rest of it's fine Yeah, I don't like the helmet the rest. I like but the helmet is definitely I wouldn't have the helmet I like it when it doesn't cover the years I way prefer his look in his first movie in winter soldier and every basically everything I like more than this, but I don't hate this Yeah, I don't hate it Needs wings Yeah, I wonder if the color makes it look like extra corny But I was thinking maybe that's on purpose because he's supposed to be like out of time So I think yeah, I kind of like the colors I think there's lines about that in the movie in relation to how is they made it Tony says makes fun of the costume I think at some point. I think I'd take that costume over anything they come up with now Fuck yeah Dewey loves and boots plus this oversized rubber helmet that connects to a cloth costume And why didn't they include a backside? Did they not think you would turn around tangent aside? Look and cap have a fight and it's a bit of a struggle. It accents America's ass Well, I'm good, but then I know it suddenly appears and Loki surrenders after taking just one hit from him granted Oh god, remember when Loki was cool Wait, how can he say Loki surrenders after taking one hit granted it was his fucking missile So he's annoyed that cap went toe to toe with Loki and didn't defeat him, but Iron Man did Somehow this makes cap Less I'm breaking news Iron Man's power level is higher than caps Yeah, and Loki Loki has a pretty high power level two being as guardian Well, he's gone as well. Okay. Yeah, like also just fyi. Loki's surrendering is part of his plan too So I don't know why you would ignore that but He acknowledges it in the sky Look and cap have a fight and it's a bit of a struggle for him That's all well and good But then Iron Man suddenly appears and Loki surrenders after taking just one hit from him granted It was Loki's plan to surrender, but that's beside the point That's the point What way the fight is oriented makes caps and make a small fish in a large pond He's literally a small fish in a large pond compared to Loki. Yes compared to Loki. Yeah He's the whole point of him compared to the rest of the team is he's just a guy. Yeah, he's obviously super He's not the Hulk. He is not a man in a high tech suit that's immune to damage and has like fucking missiles He's not a god of thunder Granted you got Hawkeye and Black Widow, but of the main set He's the guy. He can get killed by like one bullet to his head Uh, well, to be honest one couple bullets to his, uh, His stomach would probably get him The fact that he would go into that fight anyway, even though he was outpowered, you know Literally find an alien god and he manages to stand up to him. This is this is a cool cap moment Not a negative one because he doesn't perform as well as Tony But that seems like a very shallow way to to view it, isn't it? Like what does it say about him that he made the choice to fight him? Even though he probably knew that he couldn't win I mean between, you know, not to put iron man down at all But between cap and iron man who would who is the braver person in a sense? Exactly Yeah And let's look at um The the setup of this scene right because Loki is trying to sell the illusion that he is surrendering So cap shows up. He's the only guy still there. He's the only guy there at that point so Loki is selling the fight with cap at that point and then Iron man shows up with a jet also with guns pointing down shoots Loki down Loki is now surrounded He pinpoints that as the moment he should surrender to sell it as not being a trap Yeah, so of course he goes down to one shot to iron man That's the perfect time in the fucking fight to sell the surrender What the fuck's wrong with you? Doesn't iron man say something like good call? So like the the whole idea there being that iron man's convinced that this was a genuine surrender when it's not Uh, I think so, yeah Yeah, the same for cap and fucking cap gets to be awesome here He saves the old dude's life and he deflects. Uh, Loki's blast back into him Why like why are we treating this like cap just gets owned? And like in the implication that the old guy is like either a holocaust survivor or he was in world war two During that right? Yeah. Yeah. So him being saved by cap another world war two person again another layer on top of that What do you this is so shallow? This is such a shallow read Oh And there's so much to pick through when there's so much to pick through and marvel you pick this This is what I mean. What was it this point? I was like, what the fuck is going on? Why did you get so angry at this? This is pretty good Struggles so much seems kind of lame when compared to iron man who just shows up and when it's so lame The cap couldn't just easily take out a god Because that would make me more annoyed. I'd be like, what the fuck? Isn't he supposed to be like a dude with heightened reflexes and muscles not like He should have thrown his shield and punched loki square in the jaw and planted american flag on his body I impaled him with the flag. Yes. Yes You bastard It's like it's nothing this issue is made doubly apparent in the next fight scene that follows Thor arrives to capture loki and iron man pursues him to do battle when cap tries to follow Black widow recommends that he stays behind because she thinks that he's too weak to help I'd sit this one out cap I don't see how I can these guys come from legend. They're basically gods. This scene is also repeating. He's correct That I she's correct and Cap's response is great Yeah, he still feels like he has to go down there and do something about it If you think this is you have a bizarre Lens on how to judge a character's you know traits and attributes if you think that this is in any way Denigrating him that that's just outright bizarre What like If this was a comic like I don't know what does he want captain america to do in the situation? Like he's gonna like just jump down and land in the ground like hulk and Like I don't what is he supposed to do in the situation that would make him stronger I guess it would be better for his character if cap said, yeah, they do look pretty strong I'll stay in here. Yeah, I'm just gonna kick here with a martini. We're talking about a good script So like every line is deliberate when he says I don't uh, don't know how I can what he's referring to is his fucking Principles, it's like they've just known now a prisoner. I don't care if it's a god. I'm getting him back Maybe that's what he doesn't recognize. That's right. And it's like what a fucking great line And then she says that and what does he say back? Isn't it? Uh, there's only one god and he doesn't wear a cape or something like that It doesn't dress like that. I think yeah, it's fucking great line He just jumps out because he's this work I'm very confused because these are moments that make you go man, after America's kind of cool Yeah, he's not supposed to go. I don't like this one. Yeah, he's he's pretty lame Apparently he's not as good as a god. So that's pretty Sorry And also from black widow's perspective. It's not like, you know, she doesn't know him very well So from her perspective, he's just like some guy I think that's part of it in this film is none of them really know what cap's capable of. They're not really sure Yeah, and let's think about what happens after he jumps down But he's not even necessarily going down there the fight He's trying to diffuse the situation because remember cap's strengths were never the superpowers. The superpowers were an enhancement of his Um, the of his strengths of the strengths of his character To begin with so he's going down there to play negotiated to try and get Yes, that is real power This scene is also repeated in age of ultron Do you think the pilot and that scene was going like, oh my god, I'm sitting right next to this famous actress Oh, I thought you were like in universe. He's like I mean in universe, he's probably saying oh my god Oh my god, the god of thunder just took our That's actually so amazing. There's they're not gonna blame me for this. I know but still Well, he's definitely unhappy. I'm gonna try and keep him that way. You're not a match from cap Thanks, Barton one captain So if anybody doesn't remember he's referring to ultron A robot that has telekinesis and lasers The Cap is also not a match for ultron and yet he fights him and goes toe-to-toe Does ultron have telekinesis? Yeah, it's really fucking weird. He has like a Yeah, I remember that he's more than just magnets because he pulls up like concrete with it. It's really weird. It's really I like it's like go track to beam fingers. Yeah Okay, all right, basically ultron is fucking broken He should never lose any fight and you know cap is trying to keep at him because they got it in that scene And it's a fucking good moment that hawkeye is like don't you're never gonna beat him He's like I've like caps pov is I have no choice. I've got to fucking try and stop him. So thanks for the encouragement, dude Someone just sort of put this in the chat and I need to post it Everyone in the room is like character rolling a four Hey, it's a strategy to to beat out that fucking vampire Hey you walk into that house uninvited, wouldn't it be cool if you could do that? America finally enters the fight He uses his signature shield throw straight to the faces of thorn iron man And it literally has no effect on either of them. It gets it stops them Maybe because one is wearing a fucking iron helmet you dingus are the other ones a god He broke up the fight, what are you talking about? It had the desired effect, but yes, it doesn't but it didn't decapitate them both So fuck it Yeah, why didn't why don't cap fucking main iron man in this scene? Like oh you're both still alive. I shouldn't have even fucking bothered my mistake. I'll just leave They just seem mildly annoyed And stop yeah, that's the point. They're not fighting anymore They they're currently stopping their fight to pay attention to him He tells them to stop fighting and thord tries to kill him for it when we get to the scenes in the hell Well, wait, he cuts away from him stopping the blow. Yeah, you cut the fact that he deflected full Yeah, that's pretty impressive. I feel like I feel like would be a bias here. Just a little bit. It's a troll. This is a troll video No, it's real. He really really does not he's got plenty more arguments, sir. You're you have no idea He's just being the dad in that scene You just don't understand joss hates cap and it's become very clear already. Has it not they just seem mildly annoyed He tells them to stop fighting and thord tries to kill him for it when we get to the scenes in the hell Carrier captain america and tony stark are constantly arguing with each other You would think that they'd have some semblance of respect for one another due to cap's history with howard stark But no tony is constantly making jokes at cap's expense Hmm, it's complicated. Tony making jokes of people's expense. Definitely only cap that he's doing that Um, yeah, we just got There's a very important key detail. I don't know if any of you guys remember Why is everybody a bit fatty in this in this environment? Why is everyone that way? Does anyone remember? I don't know. Maybe there's someone on the ship casting some sort of a Cell stone that the camera's going on and turns upside down. It's the mind stone It's fucking with everybody's brains. It's making them all assholes Default character is to be an asshole. Yeah, I mean it's super asshole To be fair, this is how I talk to all my friends all the time. So Well, so, um, I think it becomes clear pretty quickly the uh So the idea here is that tony's still in iron man one and two mode where he's just like fuck authority I'll do what I want and cap has just come from Uh, the 1940s where following orders was leading to the best results He's unsure of what's going on and he's annoyed that tony's making loads of decisions without being told what to do So they're clashing already Like you shouldn't be doing this down the other without being told and and because tony explains to me He's hacking into their whole system and caps like what the fuck Well, they're both used to being like the alpha leader of their their you know groups And so they have to you know butt heads there Well, and as I just explained tony's already got a bit of a couple of issues with cat He's jealous of his relationship with his dad This is already a subtext for like a lot of what tony says Um, but then of course like I said you throw on the variable that everybody here is being fucked with everyone's on edge Um, and it's a stressful environment. We are uh, I said a will dending through was an army invasion threat I guess but it's not good. You know the tesseract. They need the tesseract back Oh, and the hulk is around which is another stress I'd say And cap backfires that I'm like an insecure child. I get that we want to foreshadow civil war But isn't the no Firing You're an insecure child if someone makes fun of you and you snap back at them Apparently if you like because caps come backs and tonys are all pretty on point. They're pretty good. Uh, they're rude, but Pretty good. That's the that's the point. Yeah, is that they're rude? Um Also civil war as it existed when it came out wasn't even in the fucking Like horizon when they were making avengers They actually is the last minute decision Yeah No, no the movie had it. I forgot what the title was. I had a totally different title when they announced it Exactly. Um, wasn't it didn't they try to shove iron man in it specifically to try and combat batman vs superman because it was coming out So quick. Yes, we gotta have our own. They'll never admit to it. But yes Yeah, I could totally believe that so the idea that joss is trying to set up civil war is fucking hilarious because goss didn't even get to have his own age of ultron I think so he's No, he's not setting this up. Don't worry about that. It's his own thing in his own movie Point of civil war that they were friends before they were enemies furthermore Okay, so their friendship becomes very strong after this film This is when they met they were at odds and then Tony proves to cap That he's not selfish or at least not exclusively selfish. Well, I mean, of course, it's better than a moller than I met You'd rather like out of time He woke up The whole time when you rather have characters who are like having massive problems with each other They're fighting and then they grow and change and they become friend kind of like luke and han solo You know, they're snarky with each other and then yeah go through something traumatic and adventure and they become good friends Well, what was interesting about uh, the what uh cap is saying to Tony is that he's he's kept an eye on him He's read files. He's checked the things. It's like he's he's interpreted the events of eye man one and two As Tony just doing whatever the fuck he wants, which by the way, there are plenty of clips that support that If you watch those movies, it looks a little bit like Tony's just fucking around Um, and that's what cap believes. He doesn't take him for like a selfless soldier He takes him for a guy who just wants to blow shit up Which kind of matches his whole history as well, which is something Tony hates that that would be considered his personality, if you will And so like I don't think Tony actually thinks the cap is a worthless person and all that's good about him is the What's in the the vial that he would have taken like the everything that came out of a ball You know that line, but he knows that saying that is probably pretty Pretty good against someone like cap in terms of an insult Well all I'm getting at is that these two have good reason to use the insults they do and uh Sorry, this was in the context of trying to make cap look bad. How doesn't this make both of them look bad by this logic then? Because if we ignore one of them it makes one of them look bad Because he's like, oh cap shouldn't be saying this you should be nice Well, I guess he thinks cap should be like above everything Well, so What it sounds like that he really thinks that captain america is the top dog in this whole shindig Yeah, like he should have had more moments of being ultra badass He should have been almost infallible. He should have beaten lowkey. He shouldn't be he shouldn't ever get like angry Yeah, um, he should he should be more grateful. I guess as well Oh my oh my my that ice tony should have got down on his knees and blew him for america Tony's going in for a cold one. Oh, no I've heard of cracking a cold one open with the boys, but this is ridiculous Oh Are we forgetting that fucking tony by the end of the film is following caps orders unquestioningly We'll get there. We'll get there, man. We see he's going from logical. We're at like act two right now. Don't you worry But isn't the point of civil war that they were friends before their enemies furthermore Stark pretty much always comes out on top in these arguments. Wait, so what do you what do you think contradicts that? He so he's trying to I guess he's trying to say they should have been friends in this film But they totally are when it ends By the end. Oh, well even even arguably by the third act they're friends Yeah, they're working together Also, hi shad Someone else That that was a purse to be secret I know I I promised I wouldn't tell anyone but I did Holy crap. Yeah, that was like the opposite of what you were supposed to do. Yeah, I fucked up, man Such a gossip That was really cold shad. We're talking currently about some of them superhero movies that marvel make. Have you seen any of those? I don't Know They wear capes, don't they they fly around they shoot lasers. It's so childish Yeah, I don't even you know, I'm not even sure they're sitting in the guys Well, I'm waiting for the movie where they have just like a block of cheese on a chair that the camera spins around on like When we get to that, I'll let you know because I know that's what you're looking for in your superhero movies, but Having quite rich. It's just called it shed now You're down. Do you know anything about the video we're covering shan? I've been watching guys. Oh Have you been paying attention? I'm up to date Do you agree with this video's ideas so far that captain america's a dumb dumb head? I think that's a dumb dumb opinion Right now we're up to when they're on the helicarious So let's see what else you got for arguments about how cap sucks friends before they were enemies furthermore Stark pretty much always comes out on top in these arguments He and cap argue about shield hiding secrets and stark is right capy hues is to look so stop Okay, so So, I only got it right, but steve also went out on his own to figure it out And oh, Tony's hacking them Like yeah, that's not something that he even positioned to do but it's kind of breaking the chain of command Yeah, cap This video relies on you remembering specifically the conversations And if you just if like if you're like me and you just can't remember avengers as much because you haven't seen it in a long time You just have no actual information to go with Oh, you're right. This is one of them videos. You absolutely should watch the film first. Yeah, this is a trust me video Yeah So, yeah, uh, as someone just said as well, I couldn't cash you with it respecting chain of command So cap still respects the chain of command. He wouldn't he wouldn't just go my general is clearly lying to me Like that's not a thing. Well, you gotta remember where he's at in his arc. He he ain't there yet But he's get this is the beginning of him going on off on his own And uh, essentially giving the orders himself. Yeah, I think that's more Offensive projectories, you know, Tony is starting to not quite yet, but after age of ultra on shift towards No, some power needs to be out of my hands because I've made mistakes and screwed up Um, meanwhile Steve is on the opposite one, which is he can't I mean we you talk about that quote um The quote that the the guy made this video doesn't understand like that quote foreshadows directly this moment when he finds out The shield is using the tesseract to make weapons just like hydra did exactly The whole point is it's like the lines of blood Like the good guys are using the tactics of the bad guys And it's disconcerting and it's the beginning of him essentially going on that arc where he starts to feel That he needs to make the decisions. He can trust himself to do the right thing So he so, you know, he should rely on himself more so than relying on people beyond him And if you remember, it's not that complicated his um, his realization that they've got the hydro weapons is During a montage where Loki is explaining how humanity is pathetic Uh, oh, yeah, it's pretty good Because he combos that up with the The hacking is discovered as well from on fury side that that all leads into the big breakup or the big argument scene Argued about shield hiding secrets and start wait, that's cap's arm. He's putting the weapon down. Yeah, I know He's saying that stark figured it out But I mean stark was the first Tony is is the kind of person who distrusts like other people So he inherently had to go rooting around for information. Whereas it takes people longer To come around to the position that he ought to do that Tony was in that world He knows it. Yeah, that's right. Tony. Absolutely. Yeah, so Steve is not in this world. Steve has to learn a lot of things for himself. That's the point. That's why when he's saying Like that he feels that the world has changed It's reflective of the fact that he doesn't really understand it anymore. It doesn't feel the same anymore It doesn't look the same But it's only when like those suspicions get high enough that he's prepared. This is just character Like I don't you know me. This is just character writing What does that mean? When you when you open your video saying I have no idea what his first light of dialogue means What is like one of the most important words of the whole film? It's not a great start But the rest of the video was reflecting that isn't it? Mm-hmm It's like he wanted Steve to come out of the ice like a perfect Mary Sue character. So exactly Yeah, he could sense, you know that the government was wrong intuitively with patriotism powers Everyone just listen to him It seems to bug him that Tony is coming out on top and it's like so your first example is not Tony coming out on top It's not a competition here. No, at least at this point. Anyway, we'll get to the competition between them And doesn't doesn't Steve even say like, oh you were too slow or something? I was going a little slow for me. Yeah So just in the context of in in the context of this scene If I was looking at which character would have more experience in coming back with a witty kind of Reposter in there just back and forth Tony would just thrash Steve in terms of Getting in verbal jabs and being snarky and things and it's not a insult to Steve's intelligence It's that he's a more wholesome guy is not going to be that great at just arguing out on that level and so I think that's ace in the fact that he says you'd never Uh, let a guy crawl over you with the barbed wire and he says I would just cut it Watch steve's reaction. He's fucking annoyed that he just had a valid answer. That's a valid answer He's just like yeah, always a way out, isn't there and he says you've got to stop pretending to be a hero Well, we we we got it because I know what's coming up in terms of an argument and uh Yeah, you guys better prepare yourself right strap in be painful The start pretty much always comes out on top in these arguments He and cap argue about shield hiding secrets and stark is right Cap accuses tony of being too self-centered to be a hero and tony proves him wrong by the end of the film Oh, no, tony has character develop That is because that is the arc Hang on from memory didn't tony have a gap of knowledge He's like what is this thing and then he drops the weapon down and says Yeah, he says what comes in with the answer and so he's the one who's actually providing the gap of knowledge answer to Tony Stark in that sense, which is you know Not like an insult to the character. It actually shows that his smartery or his method worked better Well, is it just me or the fact that cap has seen all of the the clips and read all the files and stuff And he's concluded like this guy is just a power hungry crazy man who likes blowing up people And he fucking accuses him of that But it turns out that's not the truth There's a lot more going on with tony stark at this point, which is what his first movie is all about Proof that tony stark has a heart. What do you think that is? Well, the thing is cap hasn't seen that yet. Exactly. Exactly He's seen the footage of him going with stark expo with all all the fireworks and shit That's what he's seen the reason. Yeah, the reason we're on tony's and cap side as we've seen their movies That's why we're like no guys don't fight Because when tony says everything's special about you came out of a bottle. We know that isn't true He was already a good. It's it's exactly what I was going to say Their criticisms the criticisms against each other are like what their their individual films are all about What makes captain america special is not the super soldier serum and tony stark's motivations go well beyond selfish He's not a selfish man Well, and it kind of improves steve right not steve wrong because as you said he has that speech about You know, you wouldn't crawl over the barbed wire and you know, uh, tony says i'd cut it But then we see that you can't always cut the barbed wire Sometimes you do have to make the sacrifice and I always I assumed that was the intention of that line and tony You know making the sacrifice at the end was to do that This is a good example of subtext in uh in dialogue Not only do we have what it means on its face, but we also have the underlying meaning behind it The reasons why both of these characters are saying it's with each other as well as like just foreshadowing Like but directly foreshadowing what's to come in the film You're achieving multiple things at once with the dialogue, which is a good thing Like that's that's just strong writing. No, this is bad writing. They should have been friends from the beginning They should have held hands and just punch low key together If they find cap has to beat him cap has to be the one that wins the fight if they fight Right for some reason tony claims everything special about cap came out of a bottle and based on this film alone That's kind of an overstatement No Yeah, he was confused he's saying the only thing special about steve in this whole film is that he's strong because of the serum What makes him strong is his mind in his heart that he's his man a strong leader That's what makes him special more so than he can throw the frisbee He fucking becomes the leader of the avengers by the end because he has strong Fucking leadership skills. I think they're Funnily enough such did I think I don't know if we ever called it like a law or anything But when we first did e-fab we came up we noticed a pattern with the people we were covering and it was often times They will use a visual that completely destroys their own argument and they won't even realize Oh, that was another video we covered we are there. Yeah, it's happened already today. You can just say it's Mahler's law I was gonna say I don't know Rags this used to happen all the time in early e-fab we used to call it out like it was like a consistent thing and So it's happened here The visual here is cap putting his life on the line to save a whole bunch of civilians that are being attacked by aliens To say that all that's happening here is that he's strong Is bizarre. He's being overpowered. So like it's not helping you He's gone into a situation that he's not really fully equipped to deal with and he's still done anyway It's trying to save people. It's called heroic Is it called superheroes? It's a hero. Yeah, it's heroin. That's heroism So I don't know why you would use this clip to prove all that cap's got is his strength and it's It's nothing about his personality that matters at all It wouldn't wouldn't the way that would be highlighted is he would run away out of fear But he could he can pick up things that are heavy Did I miss hear him? I I thought the guy in the video was Contradicting the comment that Tony Stark said he said it's a novice simplification No, he said Tony's right I think he said if anything Tony's like under let's let's do it again He uses Tony of being too self-centered to be a hero and Tony proves him wrong by the end of the film Tony claims everything special about cap came out of a bottle and based on this film alone That's kind of an overstatement if any Actually fucker So he's not even strong. Well, yeah, so he's saying not only fuck me it's even worse than I thought Everything yeah all the stuff before he took the serum that wasn't anything the virtue and the heroism that he And then he's even saying his current his current qualities aren't that great because he's showing clips of him struggling and it's that With a seven foot alien Okay Yeah, this is this is why he's so compelling He's the lowest power out of like the main set of the hyper powerful hero, but he's got to do all the same shit I hate to quote it, but men are brave Fuck yeah Yeah, he he's got like uh, because you know no offense to to nat right but she ends up with a lot of She ends up with a lot of lot of plot armor He they end up usually showing steve struggling the fuck out of anything in like lots of the fights that he's in I don't know if you remember, but there's times where like in avengers nat grabs the um The chariot the floaty chariot thing as it's like speeding by it should have torn her arm off But she just does that she's in the in civil war She's in that car when they throw a grenade in it and she's like she just blows through the door. Yeah, this is a war Yeah, it's like that's bullshit Meanwhile, steve will be shown to be in like beating the fuck out punched and shot and bleeding and He gets all kinds of shit happening to him and just point being is he has to struggle, right? Uh, quite a bit quite a bit more typically than You're such a sexist smaller No, i'm saying they're the sexist they should have given us a lot more uh nat struggling They still give us enough as you shouldn't talk about good plot armor Watch your fucking movie where she gets into like a movie face plants 10 times over and Giants like sky Yeah And gets into a mid air fight with taskmaster remember when her car explodes Yeah Remember when she got kicked so hard by taskmaster that she went flying off the bridge and into the water and yeah Yeah, do you remember the second time her car exploded? Remember the time Oh, sorry go for it No, i was just gonna say remember the time taskmaster was played by a dude and then they took the mask off and it was a girl That was great. That was my favorite part of the movie Then they cg'd her head on a dude's body. Well, the shoulders just suddenly changed shape. It was uh Maybe she was mystique Maybe maybe maybe But we'll get into more detail on that later. We know we're gonna get so much for this shit No secret war stuff comes out Wait, what? Oh, you mean just like a bunch of random retroactively. Maybe it was Maybe kept with the scroll all along Yeah, they Definitely could do that. I just yeah, we should just place bets for who it's gonna be all along Oh Yeah, like who's gonna be the alien Which one was it everyone? That's what they'll do Phase four. That would fix everything They're all lady aliens. Oh, yeah, you're right. Everybody in phase four was a scroll Oh Oh, nice. They could yeah, what a fucking the chad writer comes in At one point cap starts to lose the verbal argument and resorts to physical threats Which seems like something that would be very much beneath someone like captain america. What about captain america? I just don't remember Hang on hang on Captain America comes from a time when someone insults a woman and you go and dick him and stuff Like can we you want to take this outside the theater man? Do you remember one of the first scenes we have of cap? He gets into a fucking fist fight But wait, isn't this isn't this isn't the scene with the mine stones fucking with him, right? Yeah, well, no, so wait what what we're establishing first is the Cap says like quiet down to a guy in a cinema and then they go outside and have a fucking fist fight Like the idea the cap doesn't run away. He fights them Like the idea that this man is like averse to having a fist fight over a conflict And then of course you throw on the mind stone on top of that. It's fucking with everyone's brains making everybody angry Put on the suit Let's go a few rounds You would think that someone with a strong moral compass like him would be mature enough to settle a squabble with an ally You should be able to tell from the fucking dutch angle right here that things are wrong This was genuinely that's what joss wien is doing at this point He's dutch angled thaw and thaw's saying you're all puny. Why do you think he's saying that? He's losing his shit a little bit because joss wien hates thaw Joss wien hates everyone Yeah, that's right violence. Plus. I don't think anybody thinks he would win that fight I don't think cap gives a fuck dude. Watch civil war. He didn't stop in that fight just because he thinks he might not win He's christ, man Video's not great. Not so far. This is one of those videos better Where I almost wish I had a face cam because just a lot of my reaction right now Is just me with my head with my head in my hands going why is this something someone put into the world? Why? Why? Minions attack the helicarrier. Let's do a rundown of everyone's mission during this scene. All right Bureen hill defend the bridge thaw battles the hulk and tries to stop low key black widow escapes the hulk and defeats Hawkeye iron man repairs the helicarrier So what is captain america's big important mission? Only iron man repairs the helicarrier If I recall correctly iron man almost dies and captain america saves him Yeah, the correct statement would be iron man and cap repair the helicarrier. Yeah But there must be a reason why he's framed it this way Like tony cannot do it on his own they have to work together to do it Which you might argue is very important again for their journey See that red lever It'll slow the rotors down long enough for me to get out stand by it Wait for my word stand next to the red lever look at that jump iron man tells me Yeah, what a pussy barely even do that one. Oh my ow. Why is he? Can we even theorize how high up they are right now on a bloat open helicarrier? He's like you can't even stand on a rickety bridge in the middle of space Old man Bitch This video is almost like a case study of confirmation bias where he has Totally warping and every is twisting everything to reach his conclusion and we could do it in reverse Guys joss weeden joss weeden totally hates tony stark in this scene tony stark almost dies And he comes off worse and more injured essentially than captain america that shows a clear bias That means, you know, he hates he hates tony stark How bad faith do we have to be? So steve needs to repair the helicarrier. Uh, tony pushes a thing Yeah, steve does the real steve does the real work. I'm and what Really bad guys that come and attack him. He has to try and crawl the way back on to a falling helicarrier All tony does is he pushed the thing It's a grenade back at someone in. Yeah. Yeah. So to be fair I think there's actually a better argument that tony is the one that's screwed over by the director in this one Because he's inside a turbine pushing it. You are correct about that. That is what iron man is doing The guy with the missiles lasers and fucking all kinds of Weaponry Meanwhile cap is the one that gets to fight all of the people coming in to try and kill them And you're right one of them tosses a grenade I think it's toward the turbine is it and he has to jump across the gap to hit it back and he does Yeah, so he can't stay next to the red lever because bad guys come in and make it difficult for him Why are you reviewing things this way? It's rude All aboard the bad faith train Choo choo Even here, but is there nothing more important we can think of for him? Are there not 100 nothing more important than keeping the helicarrier flying? Yeah, they're keeping it in the air Arguably keeping everyone alive Well, not even arguably it does They save everyone Once here who can do this same job the back stand by the oh other people can do the same job. I fucking doubt it Yes, can they jump all the way over to the other side and then leap like 15 feet across the air And precisely knock the grenade back and use a rifle Yeah But it's probably harder to actually do the things you think you can do Joss has taken care of it. Can you see something in the scene that gives away why cap is here and no one else is They can't breathe Cap has got super boy lungs. He can Are there not hundreds of trained grunts here who can do this same job and stand by the lever instead This scene I'm sorry When Steve was doing his training back in 1942, you know, like he just he just examined all kinds of crazy electric grids All right, when you go fight the krauts, you might have to fight him on this magic flying hovercraft That hasn't been invented yet. It could be that panels. They look just like this this controls the polarity module It's a quantum polarity reverser. Obviously. Yeah, obviously the boys in the lab just cook this up What's funny as well is like cap's been here for what a week I don't even know how long it's been in the actual time But the idea of what you got to catch up on the hyperspecific nature of the engineering surrounding the turbine in a modern helicarrier It's like I don't think so You know, they're probably gonna start with basic stuff like this is how the modern car works, you know This is a cell phone Yeah, cell phones This is a crypto phone Cap this is a banana It's a crypto server. Yeah, that's oh no This is a top secret bit of hardware. No, no, no cap. We don't have those restaurants anymore The most cutting edge of technology even an electrical engineer would open this and probably not know what is looking at it. It's just So what do you mean? There's only two what do you mean? There's only one water fountain. No, no cap. We don't we don't do that anymore That's So He realizes the imagine take orders Why does this fury guy keep getting orders? I thought he was supposed to take my coat. What the hell? So mr. Author person of this video, um, I've got a question for you. Do you know what a computer looked like in the 1940s? You don't Oh, you know, like maybe it's because they didn't exist yet. Hey, they look just like this. I don't know what you mean He's constantly being made to look stupid. What do you mean? I can't call him It doesn't make him look stupid. It's endearing. It's honest This man does not know what this fucking shit is but to be fair, none of the audience did either But it's not stupidity that you don't know. Ask a waiter Shoot a figure in a helicarrier is when you were born in like 1919 If we wanted to be if we wanted to be accurate We would say he's ignorant But like I have a feeling the connotations of ignorant almost are unfair to this. This is something he just shouldn't know It's not even that he just doesn't experienced It would be a problem if he didn't know what it was. Yeah exactly Like someone said man, you are ignorant if I didn't know what this is I'd be like, why the fuck would I know what this is? Tech savvy he struggles way too hard to fight just three nameless henchmen and one of them almost wins Because he's shooting at him with a gun And they're fighting on the outside of this flying shaking hover vehicle that's being destroyed and going down I got news for you pal cap can't survive being shot with a bullet through the heart of the head He's dead. We saw and went to soldier. He got shot a couple times. That really did damage Yeah, he was in a fucking coma. Well, I mean he's knocked out whatever he's in hospital And you know they have to wait for him to wake back up like he's not iron man He's not Thor So so I just got a little more a tiny little tidbit for that electronics part Um, I just looked up when the first uh, like digital electronic computer was invented And then I looked up what year cap was frozen and both were in 1945 So he was frozen the year the first computer. Wow What an ignorant idiot that he didn't look into that I would imagine even if he showed him the first computer and then he went in the ice It's like man. Is there anything different about these two computers? Yeah, they used to be a lot bigger They used to be a lot bigger Captain America fails to stand by the red lever because he slips off the helicarrier like a moron. Oh, yeah He was a smarter person. He wouldn't have fallen off. You know what if that was steven hawking steven hawking He's got a break on that thing. What are you talking about? Stephen Hawking holding on to the cable he's got a moron like captain america This was definitely an intelligence check you see I can't hang on Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. I was terrified. I typed my fingers out Tell my wife I love her All right, so the hover ship it explodes violently in the whole thing trembles like an earthquake roll for intelligence Ah, I intelligently knew the earthquake was coming the moron would fall off I intelligently didn't lose my footing. All right. Yeah and gleaned for his life He is at the complete mercy of this nameless dude. Meanwhile cap is often at the mercy of a nameless dude In every movie I actually would say Well, I mean if you have an ensemble superhero movie where some characters are super powerful and some aren't I mean, you're always going to have situations like this Right, like what does he want captain america to do like in the whole movie just do nothing never fail When everything there should be a supervillain assigned to every character. Yes You know, you know what it can be one of those guys we have to know his name like Fred or whatever We need to use a label Okay, where's skull should have popped right out of that hallway with a oozy It is me captain america I'm back. I'm back. Many red school Fury and hill are dropping the other heads left and right It's just I think She nearly died. She has a knife to her neck. You're a liar It was left dangling for his life. He is at the complete mercy of this nameless dude. Meanwhile fury and hill are dropping out of the country Left and right black widow has an idea when they're in a really safe environment and they have a short point The bad guys are funneling through meanwhile Captain america has to stand right next to this exposed hole And a helicarrier that's like five kilometers in the air being shot at And randomly quaking this is where I mean like It's the good faith bad thing because like more on captain america is he's like, oh, you know Black widow is having an easier time fighting hawk island calves And black widow is just honest like a straight path having a one-on-one model combat style like He's a little bit more straightforward and she still nearly dies. So I don't know why he's saying she had an easier time Very strange argument you're making dropping the other henchmen left and right Black widow has an easier time fighting hawk eye than cap does fighting this random No, she is captain doesn't even get to stand truck crawling up for his life without a weapon Yeah, what a loser You know that in a completely different scenario things might not be the same as another scenario. That doesn't make sense Yeah, that's it's pretty cool in the end iron man has to fly over and save the day Why is iron man alive in this game? Because captain america saved iron man Yeah, but If you don't think about that I don't even remember that in the movie that was from a clip that he played in this video Well, yeah It should be noted that if you watch this film in isolation, uh, you would barely know that captain america is a super soldier There's Oh My god, I mean This is one of the only scenes that you see is which is the fucking intro. What do you mean then? In the in the hallway where he's trying to save iron man, he literally boots a guy and he goes flying like you see him use That's normal. So would you level power like constant? I go to the real reflexes and agility for the jumping and the knocking back the grenade the taking on aliens that like I said Like yeah, I can eight foot aliens one-on-one combat. You can't do that as a normal guy You would barely know that captain america is a super soldier There's the punching bag scene, which is well and good, but aside from a few acrobatics Man, you think most people could jump that far? Why are you surviving? I was about to say, yeah, he went toe-to-toe with a god One guy's got to go toe-to-toe with Loki and survive at all I like how it's just like, you know two plus two People's two isn't isn't full. I mean it is But it's not I mean to be fair, we're talking about Loki prior to stage four marvel. So it's true. Yes. This is an actual scary Loki though. Yeah He does that Hawkeye or Black Widow couldn't also do So he like hung off the helicarrier while it was the mid-air while it was like spiraling out of control Fuck off. I guess this guy doesn't know so Hawkeye has Insane accuracy and sci-fi level arrows to the point where he really gets into one-on-one combat directly At least in this film, I mean and then black widow is supposed to be like the greatest assassin on earth basically Why are you treating them like they're just randoms? She had to run away from the Hulk though. So obviously Joss we didn't hate him like Widow And women In fact, there's a few situations in which those two probably would have done better now this next critique. Oh Oh, uh, don't tell us about them Is entirely subjective, but Son Just don't a guy that looks like this is not nearly imposing enough to refer to someone as son He does not it's like a video game you try to do your intimidation check. Oh, sorry, you're your wardrobe No, but this is the thing right He is a hero from world war two that everyone knows of and it's that outfit that would make him Visually identified as that who it is that would it help and enhance his authority in this situation Yeah, and the context of this scene is the the Avengers have been told to stand They're not even going to the fight right like as far as they know there's no they decide to do it separately They've been through everything that's just happened and they're like right We're gonna go and save the city they get onto the ship and some guy is like no you need authorization He's just like motherfucker. No go away like but of course the language they use is son Which is much more of a I'd say 1940s authentic way that you'd expect cap to refer to somebody Uh, he's a fucking captain Like oh, yeah your costume you're not allowed. It was like, what are you even why why do you make the video stop? Once the chitari battle begins captain america enters the fight flailing helplessly in the quen jet until it lands You mean the one that's crashing It's shot down What is he supposed to do We look inside the ship is like crumbling spinning falling and he's just like a t-posing in there just completely unmoved like I'm totally just like america. I am unmovable. Yeah Planted himself like a tree of dampeners offline Black wood on hawkeye cover cap so we can perform this super cool Needle running sequence all for the sake of talking to this rando cop who immediately disrespects him. Oh, don't you dare? Let me reframe this let me reframe it. It's not to talk to a random cop It's to supply orders to the entire police force of new york city And on top of this the scene is to establish that is a complete badass like yeah, if anything it builds his character And the reaction of the cops confirm it as well Absolutely, dude. I don't know if anybody has seen my video, but funnily enough. This is a scene. I praised in it Let's talk about How uh I was actually doing it to praise the um the tonal balance they have in it But yeah, I do mention like this is great for character building it makes cap look incredibly competent It shows his fighting skills and it shows that the police respect him at this point Law enforcement will be aware of and respect captain america, which is neat It's got a fucking shit together. Yeah questions his authority before some conveniently placed aliens show up On d-day on d-day when you're ran into those germans I'm sorry, I've never heard of anybody describe as alien invasion as convenience I don't like you go to a war zone and what you would you don't expect to run into the enemy combat? Oh convenient the enemy is here Why would you say that? It was his word of the day Oh, are they trying to keep the aliens within that little section of the city like yes Yeah, they come in down from stock tower, which they very near this is so convenient aliens Common knowledge in the first avengers movie that cap was even back I think yeah, this is like the first time the public are even seeing him Didn't see it because he's like who's this weird guy dressed like captain exactly Yeah, to be fair, they could have assumed you just a fucking cause player What are you doing or another cap? Yeah Yeah, it might you know, just they pass the mantle down or something for him to show off with But like of all the avengers that should be common knowledge to the people in this world at this point in the story Captain America should be at the top of this list. No, no, no ironman. Yeah Actually, all of them except cap cap's been gone for what 70 years 70 years. How many people even know that he's alive? Yeah, that's I just doing massive expos where he flies in and shows off his arm He's implying that it should be automatic authority. How do you know what cap looks like? I could just be some guy dressed as captain America He's contradicting his own point previously He was saying by his appearance someone no one would take him seriously And then next thing someone doesn't take him seriously because his appearance is saying No, no, no, I should have totally known who he was and listened to him. Ah good point Yeah, he did say it was a nitpick. So, you know, I guess that You know, he said it's pretty subjective. He didn't say it was a nitpick Meaning that he thinks it's a valid point, but you might not and if he thinks it's a valid point He can't make this a valid point I say also also regarding the costume like Has he heard the saying it's not the uniform It's how you wear it or something similar to that effect like it doesn't matter necessarily Wasn't that what that scene is? Every superhero goes through that In the in the comic book like tony goes through it and iron man three every superhero goes through It's not just the costume. It's not just my powers. It's it's the personality behind it. Yeah Yeah, I guess he's saying they should just is he suggesting they should automatically respect him because that's fucked You earn that shit, man Exactly all the Avengers that should be acknowledged to the people in this world at this point in the story Captain America should be at the top of this list As far as the people do they even told people the caps back? Yeah, I don't think it's public knowledge at this point. Yeah, I pick public knowledge because of the fight I I'm gonna say I think that's where they kind of dropped the ball with the whole captain american thing Is they never have a scene where the public? reacts to him coming back Yeah, it always seemed to me that we would have to assume this is his first Because yeah, because it seems like fury's giving him his first mission and I wouldn't be surprised They didn't do a big public announcement instead. He's just a soldier for the for shield Yeah, why would they tell anyone? Yeah, but then the world becomes gradually more aware as he's doing more missions and then we join him in winter soldier And he's just doing missions for shield So yeah, let's think People think he's dead, don't they? Yeah, well think back to first avenger when he breaks when he when he realizes he's in the present He breaks out of the facility. He goes into time square. He's not in costume. He just looks like a crazy buff man Yeah, just a new yorker. Yeah, there's no fucking way People are gonna know the face of the man from 70 years ago I don't know about you guys, but when I see a guy rock up who's dressed like Elvis. I automatically think that this is Yes, Shad sees that the Elvis cosplayer. He's like, oh my god, were you frozen in ice and you'd just been released? Sorry about that. I was frozen the ice and Elvis is like, oh man A lot of convenient aliens around here, huh? And you're like, yeah Elvis is the one that everyone recognizes as part of the avengers. We respect him Also, it's really not a good time to be asking for this dude's resume I mean, he's giving him orders. He's he's required. He's like, why the fuck would I listen to you? It's the most reasonable fucking thing the police officer would ask why Ask for his resume Isn't that what they literally do in the middle of stuff like this? It's like you have to assert what You know, what authority you have before people will listen to you. Isn't that how it works? Usually, yeah, if I was getting mugged in an alleyway, but Bruce Lee suddenly appeared Sorry, what does this point he's making? Also, it's really not a good time to be asking for this dude's resume I mean, if I was being mugged in an alleyway, but Bruce Lee suddenly appeared to help me defend myself I wouldn't be like, uh, excuse me. I'm in the middle of something. They don't know. He's the real McCoy This is a bad analogy. So Captain America is telling them to do a bunch of stuff He's giving them orders for the police He's not there to like defend them from someone in a situation like a knife robbery, right? Where he can just like directly come in and help you and you don't have to do anything Captain America is telling them to do things. He's specific. He tells them where to put the police He tells them who to focus on like this is police You can't just nobody can just rock up and tell the police exactly what orders they have Meanwhile, anyone can rock up and help you with a knife fight. That's true These are two different things my friend Captain America improves himself by pretty effortlessly taking on the Chitari and and then they immediately issue his orders because that's all they need It's like this guy And just like the Elvis example if someone looking like Bruce Lee came up to defend me in an alley, I wouldn't think oh my god It's Bruce Lee back from the dead Someone probably cares to help me do like cheese. I must be racist that kind of Are you the real Bruce Lee? It's almost worse than that because most of these guys will not know what the face of Captain America is They'll they'll be aware of the guy captain America probably from history or someone would have taught them something But the idea that they all have that off by heart and they see chris evans and they're like, ah captain America, of course When the Nazis come back and invade new york and the ghost of fdr rolls up on his wheelchair all the police officers will know who it is Yep, somebody make that film Is a vibranium ultron wheelchair If you go away, I'd be like well, this is certainly surprising But I'm getting mugged right now. So I better take all the help I can get What okay, let me I'll help you out This guy is they're talking about what orders they're gonna give cap suggests some They have no reason to think his orders are any better than orders They can give and then they see what he can do and they're like, okay. He's probably got the best idea actually He means like his orders. Yeah, like he's not fucking around. He knows what he's doing Of course think about the stakes of this they're making a decision that could influence the lives of thousands tens of thousands of people and You went and out and themselves you you went in alleyway Like they're not exactly the same stakes here. No, of course. Of course. They're almost one to one just a couple differences It's a false. It's a false equivalence the alleyway scene. You have someone who is you know In that moment right in front of you where at this moment There's no enemies right there in their presence and so they do have the breathing room to say Why should I listen to you if there were aliens right in front of them? I don't think their reaction would be the same So you think well as we saw when the aliens arrived and then camp killed them all we saw what they did Which is they immediately issued his orders Do you think that if this guy seems to be quite competent and he's trying he's clearly here to help us Not a bad idea to do what he you know It's telling us you think of this guy the guy who made the video I mean was in an alley and a mugger turns up and pulls a knife. Do you think the guy would be like, oh great How convenient a mugger? Then an asian guy walks up and goes are you bruce lee? Oh my god, how convenient bruce lee He's like no, I'm with a mugger That bruce lee shows up and you're like bruce lee you're here to save me. You're like you better do as he says Like no You're evil bruce lee I better take all the help I can get a devil's advocate might argue that in the heat of the moment That's us. It's reasonable to have an adverse reaction like this. And yes, that is true I'm not I don't think it's an adverse reaction to just take like refuse to take the orders of a random guy I don't think that's adverse. That's pretty normal. I'd say That skepticism very normal. That's true Be fucking weird if do you think this scene would be better if cap jumped onto the car and said do everything I say and the cops go, okay Yeah, that would have been lame and not funny and weird We would all be like, oh wow that worked out I guess But I'm more so condemning this from a writing perspective if the goal of this scene is for a writing perspective Yeah, let's see one of the Yeah, all right writing perspective if the goal of this scene is to have captain america use his leadership skills to rally the people Why would you write it like this? Why does the cop? Effectively is communicated by that the scene Now interestingly like if the goal of the scene was that but it's not definitively that goal There's a lot of purposes of what you're wanting to achieve and that's in this scene and it actually does Them pretty effectively Shad you're right, uh, like it provides levity in this it's a funny scene Right and that's probably why he wrote it like that That's exactly. Yeah, this guy just Also, it also lives Yeah, but it also makes him look like a badass and it achieves You know establishing himself as the authority on the battlefield the commander and everything it does multiple things But he's gonna straw me in the situation and say If the goal of the scene is this assuming that this is the definitive goal and then Trying to you know, argue against that like it's just the right thing It makes it feel more real and funny and that guy has three eyes Or is it four The argument that's being proffered is this scene damages captain america's character What could you possibly cite? He jumps in immediately matter of fact issues several good orders Yeah, sure They don't listen to him at first and then he fights him to tari and effortlessly takes them out and then they follow His orders what damage has been dealt to captain america as a character None what damage could the scene have possibly dealt all what's established to us is He knows what to do and he's got the skills to prove it Yeah, but only I'm not even gonna say for anything it only enhances his character It shows that he is a leader and a very great and it's quick too It's very fast 20 seconds 20 second guys guys Have you seen what he's wearing clearly damaging that they would obey him while he wears that clearly joss hates him He made him wear that outfit Is um So what I think this person thinks he's saying is that the scene isn't showing he's a good leader It's showing that he's convinced these guys with brawn Like not leadership even though the reality of the scene is he's given what they could possibly quite recognize are actually good interesting orders But there's no authority behind the lines Why should we listen to this man and then the man shows them via his brawn and to be fair fighting skills Aren't just brawn they're also intellect like and then he does it as well if you watch cap's reaction to like doing it He's not like going He's very like stern and you just fucking wipes them out. So these guys are like Jesus like this guy's impressive like respect. Yep. Yeah leadership is earned You don't do what they would do in a modern marvel movie where they fucking like cut right up to this cop's face And he goes I think I'm gonna listen to this guy Instead he just turns around and issues the orders one to one with what cap said, which is very funny because it's very relatable Yep, why didn't they write it? So the cuts witness cap in action before he talks to them. Why can't they just be great? Yeah, you missed out on the humor of the scene which works really well All this happened here. We've achieved the same thing, but we also got a joke. Nothing was damaged. Nothing was lost. We only gained And what I like about this joke is that the subtext of it where it's not spelled out You see it's very situational humor that you can almost relate to as well where if you're in that situation You'll probably react the same way and then when he kicks the crap out of the aliens, you're like Okay, yep. I'll listen to you and so you relate to it and there's that layer of humor to it as well Yeah, but but everybody seems to have forgotten that event. This is a pretty funny movie Everybody forgets like everybody's laughing their arse off in the theater. I think Well, it's the good thing Joss Whedon's clones have made it so that everyone thinks the originator of like this style must have not been funny as well It's like no some of these jokes. Yeah When this movie has been unfairly tarnished after it came out by other things Yeah, like you're right when the Hulk screws up Loki, but also when Hulk just punches Thor That's that's a brilliant setup because of the subtext where you saw these guys fighting before and now they're fighting together And you see that awkward kind of moment that doesn't need to be spelled out You can feel like yeah, we're fighting before now fighting together. It's a bit weird and then Hulk's like Yeah, I sort of like you smack It was brilliant. It was really good. Dude. I remember my audience cheered when he said Hulk smash Yeah Order to smash to the Hulk and then him grinning before he just goes fucking wild and then you just snap forward to Hulk going bruh And and Guys, you don't know how good we had it with avengers. Okay. You don't know how good we had it The camera that's really smugly to blow up in his face. That was pretty good And then yeah Like my theater was laughing so hard when Loki was just getting destroyed by the Hulk that I couldn't hear the puny god line Because we were laughing so I had to look it up later. Yeah, I'd dude. I think I had that exact same experience I didn't know he had said it on my first one around It's not this film's fault that everybody is bad at imitating the style of humor What do you mean? Michael Waldron is a saint. Why would you say that? Because I would agree that there is definitely like an MCU sludge humor at this point It's like they've got to generate it right any circumstance throw the circumstance in throw the kind of joke Do you want it to be sarcastic self-referential throw it in the blender? Here's your sludge joke a little bit Like that's another one of those ones. Yeah a little wadi is Embarrassing what he is pretty embarrassed. I do I I have almost equal hatred for iluma wati and the um, what is it black agar voltagard? It's almost hard to explain how rancid that joke is you're just like Get out of here. This is what looks like a toddler humor. Yeah Hey, he's got a funny name compared to again a joke that builds character at the same time and builds off of what are reasonable reactions from the audience to a situation These are like jokes that you would have like in a proper comedy film that are there to be the bad jokes If you know what I mean, like it comes off as it's bad jokes that are recognized as bad in the story Yeah, like yeah, like it's recognized as cringy shit jokes Yeah In the middle of uh, tony just like basically bursting into the into the control room for the Helicaria without giving a shit about anybody's authority and in the middle of his speech just radically going that bad is playing gallagher He thinks he didn't know it's but we did Or or him having him complaining about the fact that he has to turn his head in order to look at the other Yeah, we're with with what I just heard is that a lot Uh We had it so good. Yeah Another example as well. Remember the uh, when when um, tony is talking to bruce as they're like working in the lab zaps him And then it's just like squits out of to see if if he's got to turn into the hulk That's a funny little moment But it also builds character really strongly because tony is the only person in the film who Pretty consistently treats bruce like a regular person And doesn't tiptoe around him all the time and you can see it because bruce is smiling Like he probably found that really amusing whereas of course steve because he's serious down to business Upset is very concerned about the potential uh danger to life on the ship So we've got a joke and it's not that complicated of a joke, but it reinforces every single person's character in that room Jokes are tools. We've been over it before We've been over it before but the the avengers is low key hulk and black widow's best movie Oh, well In avengers when um, when when uh, tony's talking to low key and then low key does the uh, the mind stone tap on on his uh Yeah It hits the uh, the arc reactor. That's fucking hilarious This usually works performance issues one out of five One out of five and then he grabs him by the throat. It's great. It's a really good joke And as he's carrying him toward the thing to throw him off you can just hear him going jarvis jarvis To ploy Oh, dude, I go whenever whenever that scene comes up I can't resist praising it for the visual of the iron man suit reaching out and grabbing tony and saving him from falling That fucking shit is perfect to represent what iron man is Build this that shit to save his life, you know Is the last funny movie we watched everything everywhere all at once um You don't need to say the last funny movie you just say the last good movie Well, I just I guess specifically last funny movie But yeah, it feels like you watch a lot of movies that try to be funny Well Thor Love and Thunder was just a comedy black hole. It was allegedly a comedy. I don't know if they can prove that I guess allegedly a comedy. Yeah, joseph anderson does not think it's a comedy And it's no longer comedy So the cops witness cap in action before he talks to them, why can't they just be grateful to get help from someone who's qualified to handle Like if we all agree the suit is a bit bad of this film It is literally a fucking clown who landed on a car and said do this like why would you listen to him? Why would you like especially when lines are on the line depending on what you choose to do? Like oh Why why are you trying to make the film moves? The fight moves are like the equivalent of a thumbprint an id card Like that is a physical representation of this is me proving that I am You know through my actions through my clear training that I am in a position of authority even if I am dressed like this Like Okay, so about expeditious writing. This is a pretty clear example of that. How much can you achieve in 20 seconds? quite a lot Meanwhile, let's take a whole act to fucking establish and burn down a book in in multiverse of madness That was worthwhile Yeah, it takes longer for for dr. Strange to slowly walk to the book that can save everything And of course the film never touches on the fact that wonder has destroyed the most powerful tool and instrument for good That could ever exist in all of the multiverse. It's fine. Nobody cares It didn't exist before the movie and it certainly doesn't exist afterward except for Wong for some reason to apparently cite doing things by the book that's being destroyed. Yeah Dude, I can totally imagine the conversation where he's like the book of shandy got destroyed and dr. Strange goes. Yeah And one goes, okay And the right will be like that's how right the writer would write how michael waldrum would write it and you'd be like michael shouldn't they be like devastated and he's like no Let's put it this way imagine if someone's like, oh, so you just had like the cure for cancer in a little vial Yeah, what happened to it? Oh, I dropped it. Oh, okay. All right It's that Well, see you say that and I think someone could envision like, oh, yeah, that'd be pretty bad It's like well, it's that times infinity it could do anything that book as many times as you want Yeah Oh, so what do you about it? It's like when you hold a book that can grant you any spell across the entire universe It's like you're holding you could you could convert everybody into just energy that experiences pure pleasure forever just This is pretty this is pretty powerful. I don't know What The way they wrote it makes you want to laugh at captain america for even showing up No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no nada No yet I don't know guys if you hear him it makes you want to laugh at him He's okay I disagree it's a pretty solid argument that you guys seem to just be hating If you cost him an awkward fight choreography doesn't help either What's all good about it fight choreography? What? If you cost him an awkward fight choreography doesn't help either It's me son Son I I don't think you're very good at what you do. Can you can you at least get very good at this YouTube thing? Maybe about other things, but maybe not this, you know, couldn't you've said something about it? He had the clip he could have said like look at this look at this thing here. Why didn't you tell me? I don't know what I'm see. I'm a lowly random. I don't know what was bad about that Help me out before we move forward I want to do a quick recap of what just happened cap widow and Hawkeye land in the Quinjet What do and Hawkeye cover cap as he runs over to the cop and then cap just immediately returns to black Yeah, after issuing orders to the fucking punching aliens kicking them in the penis. Yeah I just The NYPD are now following caps orders. Do you not think that's significant and what were the orders? Wasn't it to section off that part of the city? Yeah, keep the civilians in safer environments get them away from the main warfare basically, which is a really important Which right now because remember he's about to issue the order to Tony to basically Keep a like a three or four block perimeter and he gets out you got to destroy it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah Because he's smart and a good leader Something that is sorely missing in a lot of current superhero films is Just staving people's lives. Yep. It's it's um, it's been really Hey, we've got plenty of women coming in that's great. That's just wonderful This guy's talking break it down this whole thing and we had a movie where our main titular character Shang-Chi got kicked in the balls and knocked out by his sister in his own movie in the first 15 minutes But let's talk about capture. Oh, wait, sorry. I blanked out. I thought you're talking about Loki Where he was kicked by in the balls by his feet By his Star Lord got kicked in the balls. It's not oh god. Oh god. There's a patent. Oh, no Try to throw that in every one of my Marvel videos. Everybody get kicked in the balls Right now we should mm-hmm slapping them in the tit. That's the way to get those ovaries throbbing Like, huh? That's all you ran over there to do. What do you mean? Saved countless lives. Why are you saying this? Why why do you test me? You did this whole cool epic parkour sequence just to go talk to this one guy You know the part where he activates little walkie and starts giving orders Caps like whoa, what are you doing? He's like, I'm telling everything. No, no, no, no I came this I just I wanted to tell you just you These orders for you said No one else like what the fuck you you showed the clip. Why why now captured it? Just landed or he landed and shouted over all the aliens and explosion like hey Did you just Legally strolled while he's doing that fucking Legally strolled over there, you know There's an alien invasion issues just sauntered on over to the cop By a huge alien death laser, what do you expect him to move like oh no wait We were in the age of the Mandalorian where people do just casually brush by gunfire all the time I forgot I forgot what your age remember in winter soldier when there's a guy with a midi gun who fucking unloads it He just won't go for his feet. He just keeps going for a shield. It's like hey look, okay Like he just charged forward in a hallway getting shot like You remember that I remember remember the jet pack in the mobile-fat episode Oh It's a good show everybody come on Baby baby Yoda Yoda cute I Would be surprised they could even tell you what the bad guy He was remember the member when he says I thought I was the crime lord. That was a great line Oh, my favorite line was when he says My favorite part was when it turned into the Mandalorian and Luke told baby Yoda to fuck off That was my and I wouldn't even drive him fly him back himself set I liked it when he landed with his backpack and he landed in the street and shot all the Robots and they took off his helmet and then he said it's bullpen time But we can't like out do the whole the whole like oh, I'm still faster than you yeah, but I have armor Well, let's find out Let's find out If I was like actually and about to get into a life-or-death fight with someone and they said that I would just I would actually Just like have a puzzled look You tap the arm with your gun like What and to be fair, I don't know if any of these compare to when the guy says like what do you do? He's like I'm a water vision. I grew up surrounded by water Why would you say that? Why would you say that? He says strange things sometimes just humor. Yeah, I saw there was a stream I was watching where so I was trying to illustrate how ugly a person was because of how fat they were and they said He's almost as ugly as Boba the fat You know, you highlight something important, you know instead of going around telling every stranger including the cook droid for some reason that I'm Boba Fett. I'm Boba Fett. I am Boba Fett. He should have gone I am Boba the Fett Okay, man. Just let me down man. I just sliced the salami man. I am Boba Fett. I am Boba Fett. I'm just the janitor I am Boba Fett. I'm really upset. He's just a Pokemon at this point. Boba Fett. Boba Fett. Boba Fett. Is Boba Fett his Boba Fett? Boba Fett. Boba Fett. Let me just shake his back and forth. Like, huh? That's all you ran over there to do. You did this whole cool epic parkour sequence just to go talk to this one guy and come back. No, he's trying to escape. Did you do the same epic stunts in reverse? I don't know what he did in reverse. They didn't show it. I guess that's why Joss Whedon hates Cap. He didn't show what we got back. Well, you know, if it was Stephen Hawking on the top of that bus, he would have done sure he would have done far better. A more intelligent man. He would have done a little flip off the end. I mean, I bet the cop would have listened to him the first time. Oh shit, it's Stephen Hawking. Guys, guys, we need to cover these buildings and make a blockade at 39th Street. Stephen Hawking's here. We need to cover those buildings and make a blockade at 39th Street. He's like a Charles Xavier sort where you can just like see into the building. I have detected 16 structural weaknesses within the building. We have 6.3 minutes until they collapse. Like, I get that you're from another time, dude, but even back then they still had radio. Did you not have one of those on the quen- No, no, no, he doesn't have any connection. NYPD. They run on a different frequency. What are you talking about? Yeah, I would have an NPD. Yeah, I would have a police radio on them. What are you talking about? He only has, all they have is the little earpieces that connect to the Avengers. He's got all those belt pockets though. He's got to be one in there somewhere. He just has like one per every police force across the world. Just in case he bumps into it. Like, I got you. No, he does not have a radio that ties into the frequency of the NYPD. No, I can, yeah, that's fine. Jet, I'm pretty sure Nick Fury could have done a more efficient job of giving orders all the way back from there. I think Fury's not even there yet. The Helicar is not even within the city limits, right? Because the Avengers go out on their own. That's right. Well, and also, I mean, this goes again with Steve's character. Like when they're trying to hack into the mainframe to find out about hydro weapons, he's like, I'm just going to go there in person. Yeah, he's going to break into the locked areas. A lot of things. With no radio, does Fury have the means to get to the people he needs to issue the orders? And can he issue the same orders as Cap? Does he know exactly what to do? No. He's not even on the ground floor. He doesn't even know where things are. Well, who would he know, even if Cap had a radio? Like, how does he know who that guy is to even call that guy on the radio? Yeah, there's channels on the radio. Does this guy know how the radio works? I'm not sure if he knows how the world works. I'm trying to not get New York nuked by the fucking shadow bureaucracy people. Nick Fury. At the end of the film, you pretend to have a radio in your ear when there's clearly nothing there. No, that's the Avengers. An inner ear paste. Yes, it goes in the ear. They all talk to each other through them. What the fuck are you doing? Why? So is he saying that Captain America is an idiot because he's hallucinating this? He's like actually in a padded cell with his arms crossed over. He never really woke up from the ice rink. It's a fever dream. Well, it's not just that Rags. It's that he didn't hallucinate a walkie-talkie that connects to the NYPD. That was his big fuck up because he's stupid. Steve Rogers is a lucid big team. Must be so stupid to do that. But whatever, it's fine. Let's just relax and try to think more positively because his big scene is coming up. Finally, a good moment to talk about where he- There's been loads of good moments. You just didn't understand them. Yeah. He does something right. The moment where Captain America finally distinguishes himself as the leader of the Avengers and gives out the orders. Except- Oh, right. So he's not- You know what he's gonna say? Except it's Iron Man that tells him to do it. He couldn't even take, you know, he couldn't even have Iron Man to do it. That's what he's gonna say. Please, anything but that. Let's let the guy dig his own grave, okay? Lock me in the ass. I like the idea that Shaz's digging the grave for him and I'm like, Shaz, come on. He's dug the own grave. He's crawling- He's getting there. He's doing great. Wait, there's something wrong here. Blinken, you won't hear it, but it's definitely there. Blinken, you won't hear it. Oh, no! No! No! I called him! Totally. We'll do our conversation before whatever the fuck he's gonna end up saying. So why does this happen? Why is it important? Cap and Tony... Yes, that's right. Cap and Tony have been fighting throughout the whole movie. They're both the Alphas. Tony's already obviously one of the people you'd expect that would have authority over this team, especially because he's the established hero out of the rest of them. They're a little, like, brand new. So why is it that Tony's not gonna give the orders? Well, Tony recognizes he's not suited for this role. Cap is. And so, if there was any confusion as to who the leader is, Tony's giving up his chance to do so. He's like, no, you've got this, Cap. You're the leader. He's literally deferring authority to Captain Iron Man. If anything, if you were an idiot, you could say, Joss is cucking Iron Man in this scene. Iron... Yeah, Joss being cucking Iron Man. But, like, that's just not it. Cap's talents far outweigh Iron Man's when it comes to leadership. And, by the way, Tony knows this. He's studied Cap. So how could you possibly interpret this as like, ah, you couldn't do anything without your big brother telling you it's okay? Because, obviously, that's gonna be where we're going with this, isn't it? It's a pretty cool moment. Because, yeah, it just gives us an over-recognition that Cap... Yeah, it's a great character build. Yeah, Tony's recognizing Cap's skill. And he's saying, like, this is a very important... And everything Matt has seen, he's making it clear you're in charge of me in this fight. Orders, Captain America, to give the orders. He can't even have that. His one thing, and he doesn't even get to have it. He's not ordering. He's saying, the stage is yours. Yeah, it's pretty interesting to call that. Like, when I ask for someone to put me in chains, like, ah, you just... You're not their slave at this point. You're just... You've enslaved them to enslave you. Something like, what are you talking about? This isn't making any sense. Tony has given up his agency to Cap at this point. They direct me, I'm your weapon. Which is the same for all of us. Did he say what the specific quote was that Tony said? I mean, did Tony say, like, hey, bitch, you know what you mean? He says, call it Cap. And he's trying to say that that is Tony ordering Steve to do it. If anything, the structure of that sentence implies, from Tony, I have no idea what to do. You all are experienced at this. Is this how the slaves were emancipated? They were the slaves gasped with themselves out of it by saying, no, no, no, we want to be slaves. Like, please chain me up. And then they were just like, well, you're trying to enslave us. That's fucked up. We're not going to put you in chains. Fuck you. Yeah. And then they all laughed and the masters were like, fuck. Wait a minute. Bye. Damn it. But yeah, this is a really weird, narrow-minded interpretation. And you went the dumb ass way. But fair enough, go right ahead. There's not much else to really even say about that. Also, I know at the point in the film, do they really acknowledge Captain America as an authority figure for the team? So Cap has given general orders that they pay attention throughout the whole film. For the rest of the fight, I should say. Like, what he tells them all to do, they consistently do. Except I get, well, no, because even, doesn't he tells Barton to call out targets? And then he does that for Iron Man. That is Cap's order in practice. And also, when Tony flies the nuke into the wormhole, it's Cap who tells Nat to close it. She's waiting for him to get more order. No, no, no, no, that doesn't happen. Because this guy said they don't listen to his orders any after that. That is true. I think you made that up for me. Well, who might have believed you or this guy? This guy has been pretty honest so far. Before or after this moment. So this just kind of comes out of nowhere. This next major scene with Cap. Wait, I'm sorry, what comes out of nowhere? Even when he finally gets his moment to lead, it comes out of nowhere, so fuck it. Well, it is when you ignore the rest of the film, yes. Pretty figure for the team before or after this moment. So this just kind of comes out of nowhere. Wow. So this film is actually technically a sequel to another film. He's probably not seen it. It's called Captain America, the first Avenger. All about him sort of training up in the military while also getting him part of the super soldier program. Reminding me what his name is again, I mean, inside from Steve Rogers, it's Captain America. And it's not just America. Yeah, or Murica, it's Captain America. Captain Chavez? El Capitan. And he actually earned that rank. It's an actual rank in the military where he fought and led before. Yeah, that doesn't matter though. That shouldn't, yeah. Well, what this guy is suggesting is how come we didn't see him leading a whole bunch of men in war before this part of the film? It's like, oh, because that was in the other film. I don't know if you saw it. This next major scene with Cap is probably the most offensive of all. The scene where he tries to save the civilians from the bomb. How perfect was that statement? The most offensive thing in this film is when Cap tries to save the civilians from a bomb. Why does he say the word bomb? Like he's suspicious that it's actually a bomb. Well, it's clearly a carton of blue leukazade. It's not really a bomb. No. It looks like one of those things you freeze and it stays cold for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, he's drinking there. It's obviously an old alien flip phone. How can we know that that's really a bomb? Yes. Ridiculous. All right. He's trying to call his wife and kids. I'll leave this open to people who have not seen this video before. Steve Rogers just knocks the phone out of his hand. He's like, dick. What do you think has offended him in this scene? If you can remember. That he doesn't do it quick enough. Yeah, he's going to struggle. The fact that he struggles so much to do it is going to be like, oh, look, they cut Captain America in the scene. He's not even perfect. Cut in America. All right. If that's the bet, let's see what we got. And man, he is really having a hard time fighting these nameless minions. They do. Correct. The fact that he's not perfect is a problem. He can barely take out just the three that are here. He can barely take out three seven foot aliens at once. What a loser. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I could do it in no time. Again, just three faceless minions. I do care whether or not they have a name. Yeah, I was about to say, do they have to have a name? And then it's like, okay. All right, it's fine. Well, apparently not because Loki has a name and Thor has a name. Oh, you're right. No, no, no. I'm just offended that he assumed they don't have names. I bet it's all up to George. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just offended that he assumed they don't have names. I bet it's all up to George. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You gotta do it that way. Yeah, let's go. It's a really new tragedy in this movie. Crazy alien names, but one of them is just called Tim. You know how like in the middle of the war, in Scarface, there's like when they're attacking his mansion, that's the guy. That's the cool guy. He wanted those aliens to have like the 80 shades on. So you knew they were the real tough alien. One of them has dreadlocks and shades. They're just like, yeah. All right, fine. That's the one that he's going to have the most trouble with. And they're like, oh, he's not nameless or other he is, but he's got style. But you know what? He's saving Private Ryan to a nameless sniper. What a fucking loser. Chad said, all right. He blikorfa. I don't know why they made me laugh. But it did. What would have really added to this is if they had a scene beforehand where the aliens are like chatting and they're like trying to shoot a tin can like a meter away and they keep missing the tin can. I think that would have really added something. Oh, yeah. That was great when that was in Mandalorian. Yeah. Yeah. When Glorfnack dies, his buddy's like, ah, he was only four weeks from retirement. Yeah. He's about to have a baby. Glorfnack was about to have a baby. He was about to have a baby. He was about to have some spawn. And someone in chatbed as well. Did he just show the clip of Cap being in a choke hold and then flipping back and around the aliens like, yes. That's all he did. That's evidence of how Cap is shit in this scene apparently. I think what they should have done was you have Glorfrack there on the, you know, by the ledge and then Captain America comes up to him and Cap says, do you have it in Glorfrack and he's like, no, please don't, don't kill me. I have kids at home and then Captain America says, oh, do they have a mother? And then Glorfrack says, yes. And then Cap says, good. There'll be someone to raise them. And then Captain's a bit of spaghetti. And then Cap spaghettifies Glorfrack. That was a horrific painful way possible. Dude, legit. Like he gradually tortures and kills Glorfrack and the whole audience is like, why Cap? Why? Like, geez, fucking hell. I don't look like I like this. This doesn't seem right. Again, he's putting everything he has into winning this fight and he nearly dies. God yeah, I hate it when Cap does everything he can to save civilians. That's what pisses me right off. He should be more efficient. He should be better. Guys, he doesn't even really save the civilians. Dude, I'm sorry. I didn't appreciate what happened here. He's being strangled. Someone's about to execute him with a gun. He flips over the strangulation and the gunshot goes into the alien that was strangling him. Nice. And also, he does save the civilians. Yes. They would have been blown up if not for him. Yeah, what do you mean? He just did a standing backflip while being choked. Come on, this is pretty fucking cool. He has into winning this fight and he nearly dies. He doesn't even really save. What a loser. He nearly dies. He nearly dies in this intergalactic. I'm sure that never happens. I blame hero. Never was in peril. You know what was wrong with that game? Tony snaps, he fucking died. What a loser. You couldn't even beat Thanos. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Save the civilians. The bomb went off in the building. He was just lucky that it didn't have a large enough flash radius. It's not called luck when you save them. It's all his actions that that happened. He just got blown up by a bomb. Out of window. That was kind of thrown at him. And by the way, this is the... This leads into the low point of the battle right here. I think Joss would actually agree. The whole point of this scene is to give you a sense of he was successful, but it came at a cost. This was not as successful as you would like to be in this fight. They're getting tired. They're getting overrun, outnumbered, outgunned. Because this is right before the montage where everybody's losing. And things have gone bad. He used to hurt anyone. He gets blown the hell out of the window and then he gets all sad. Oh, he gets sad. Oh, he gets sad. If he was a real Chad, he'd just be chipper as can be. He also just gets sad. He gets all sad. All sad? Oh, it's even worse. It's even sadder than it's all sad. It's probably just embarrassed because of what just happened. What's even worse... Yeah, I would feel real embarrassed. Listen, guys, if you ever see me kill three alien invaders by myself, I promise you I will not be embarrassed. I will put that on my goddamn tombstone that I'm an interstellar defender. Right? I killed Glothnag, Fogallion, and Tim. All right, I got all three of them. Aliens came across the fucking galaxy so that I could kill them. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Pretty cool guy. Though I will agree with this guy. This scene offended me in general. It offended me because I knew what Marvel would become. No, and then he gets all sad. He's probably just embarrassed because of what just happened. What's even worse is that this is his most significant scene in the entire battle. Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man wipe the floor with a Chitauri. So let me tell you about Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man. What's the difference here? What did you show here of Tony? Like right after he blows up the alien eel, he wail, actually. Eel, whale, whatever. He gets blasted by a bunch of aliens. Like that's his moment where things go badly for him. Yep. He's vulnerable and the aliens start shooting at him. But that's for the other two. Yeah, one of them is God of Thunder. And the other one is a giant like unstoppable monster. So I'm literally wondering what this guy expected Captain America to do. That he would jump on one of those giant eel and throw his shield, chop off its head. And then he just suddenly moves at the speed of light. Does he understand power scaling and that all the people, all the heroes in this fight scene are doing things that's appropriate to their strength? Let's set the scene, all right? They do the thing with all the Avengers of Sandaxe each other. And this guy, he's actually there. He's in the universe. He's standing next to the Avengers. And then the eel, whale thing is coming right at them. And Hulk does his thing where he turns into Hulk, smashes the thing's head into the ground, fucking stuns it, it gets annihilated. And then everything calms down. The guy just turns to Cap and goes, why can't you do that? No, he's the kid in the episode of One Punch Man where they're hiding in the arena and Saitama kills the Sea King. And the kid's like, that guy must have been really weak if Saitama One Punched it after it kills all the other heroes. That's what this guy would presume. If this video was about how much Hulk sucks, he'd be like, yeah, okay, Hulk kills one of those things in One Punch, but they're not that strong. Whatever. They're just random weird monsters. I could have done that. I mean, if you think about it, Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man killed all these faceless, nameless SEALs from space. They didn't even name us as true. Exactly. Black Widow gets to hijack a chariot and closes the portal. Okay. The hijacks a chariot and closes the portal. Couldn't I just use your same logic? Anybody could have closed the portal. Yeah, Tony could have closed it. He could have flown up there on himself just with his suit. Hulk could have jumped up there. I guess it means that that sucks now. Nobody likes it. Even Hawkeye gets to fly the Quinjet. He takes out Loki's chariot, and he also acts as an eye in the sky directing the flow of the battle. Oh yeah, who ordered him to do that? And who enabled him? Hey, I like this pause screen. It looks like his bow is firing fire. Like... The power of the sun and the palm of my bar. It gets ordered to order and barely takes out this random trio. It's easy to imagine. You shouldn't have even done it and let those civilians fucking die. Well, this guy would have been less offended if Cap had just sat at home, I guess, watching TV. I'm strong, okay? I wouldn't want to prove it. There's dozens of other trios and dozens of other buildings doing the exact same thing. Yeah. Doesn't that suck that we couldn't save everybody? But they're doing everything they can. Maybe they could have capped an orchid and sucked so much. Couldn't they at least give him some kind of alien general for him to fight? Oh no, is that actually... He wants Glothnag, he wants him to be this big ol... Is it really like this bearded, hammer-wielding guy who's like, rawr, I'm in charge of this sector of aliens. I really don't like you, Captain America. Captain America loses to the mini-boss guy. Remember, vision saves him. Yeah. Well, Captain Space should have flown down and fought Captain America bare-handed in a punching contest. I'm sure we could have you called the Russo's hate Captain America and it's gonna be all about how he loses to Corvus Blaine, yes. Maybe they could utilize his leadership skills to continue to rally the military and police. He gave them orders, they are following them. You tried to do that and you bitched about it. You complained about it. He literally did that. What the fuck am I... He dismissed it to the point at just to have a casual conversation. Why would it even go over there? Does this man have retrograde amnesia where he just forgets the last three things he said? Like every... Or you can... I don't know if that... You'd have to have a brain for that to be possible, right? Every Avenger will do that. Maybe all the other Avengers get worn out and considered giving up, but then like what happens? Like the scenes you just showed them getting hit. Oh, he wants an inspiring speech from Cap. You would have just said, oh, Captain America, all he gives is a speech while the others are kicking ass. Yeah. I wish this... Kinda cuck puts all their points into charisma. Fucking fight you. Fucking fight you cuck. I mean, he's complaining that this isn't cliched enough for him. Oh, yeah. Well, no, they think the biggest shock I'm having here is that this guy really wants Cap to be perfect, which is really odd. I mean, he's a hyper-cap fanboy. Look at this look up. A hyper-cap fanboy shouldn't want Cap to be perfect. They should want Cap to be like awesome in the face of... Listen, I love Steve Rogers, okay? With all my heart and soul. How dare you... He's real to me! He should be a morally... A really fucking morally good person with great leadership skills, but that does not preclude like being knocked on your ass by an alien or struggling to do things, or God forbid giving orders to people and... It's just... What the fuck do you actually want? It's time. Alright, I saw someone in chat. I was waiting for someone in chat to say it. I think you guys are being trolled. I'm so sorry. This guy's for real. This is a full-on genuine channel. This is sincere. He believes all of these points to be true. Yeah, this guy is very sincere. I mean, this could be Andy Coffman-esque, you know. I mean, it could be the whole channel, yeah. Some of his other videos sound like there's more reasonable videos. I think he really likes Captain America and he wanted Cap to fight Thor, Hulk and Iron Man and beat them. He wanted Cap to beat them with a one punch. He's looking for some weird payoffs. He wanted this to be Cap's movie, I think. He's gone a little upset, you know. That happens. We call this a myth. I've never wanted someone on eFap so badly than this guy because I just want questions to be asked from this person. When you said this... Why did you lie? Oh, lord. You hurt you. Why do you hate America? Freedom? Democracy? Yeah, that kind of stuff. Yeah. Look at that look. Hang on. Go back a little bit. Look at that look Black Widow gives Captain America right there. But then Cap gives an inspiring speech to revitalize them. He wins with that. Looks like the sex look. That's what we're talking about. Yeah, he's like that. What do you want me to do? Give me some orders. I thought I was America's ass. I'll do anything to be an Avenger. There was a quote from Scarlett Johansson about how when they were filming all the disparate pieces of, if you will, of Avengers and especially this part that things were... She said she was worrying this was going to be camp and gay and stupid and lame and it wasn't going to work out and there's all these other examples in history of like superhero movies that just fall flat. But she said as soon as they filmed the scene where they were all together and everyone cheers and stuff, she was like, oh shit this is going to be huge. Which I think is neat as a sort of like because Avenger's was huge. They really loved me. It changed everything, unfortunately. Yeah, unfortunately. Little did we know that all of us clapping in that theater that day were spelling the doom so much. Only we knew. I'm serious, man. I think all of us would have happily when this film came out broken it down and given like criticism and praise here and there but at this point when you go back to this, after everything that's come out you're just like, give it back. Let me have. Yeah, exactly. Perhaps I treated you too harshly. It's not even perhaps. It's just absolutely. Oh, for all of phase one. Yeah. Bruce Morale, it would give him a chance to show off his unyielding endurance. They could even do a nice call back and have him say something like we could do this all day. No. Why doesn't he say the thing? I just thought my skeleton implode. I could do to be instead. That's a job. I can picture being like, I see your ID. How are you here? It's weird. I think I think for a moment there I left my body and myself cringe in third person. You did the Doctor Strange. They went astral for a moment. Astral form left my body and watched myself cringe at this chair. We could do this all. My bones cringe. You know what? That should have been the name of our EFAP today. We could do this all day. That's true. We talk about missed opportunities in that game all the time. I think the biggest one was when Tony before he snapped he should have said we are Iron Man. He should have said it's orbiter. It's orbiter. It's orbiter. Why would you make such an impact? Okay, yeah, chat maybe you're right. Maybe this is a troll. He should have said it's ironing time. He should have said it's ironing time. Why would you say this? Why would you say this? Or maybe Avengers Assemble. ER Hammer. ER Hammer. You know what would have made this better? Is the hammer should have been picked up by everybody? Also Thor should have said Cap you're really cool and awesome and I look up to you. And Iron Man should have said gosh darn. I just don't think we would have made it without you Cap. You're the best of us. The ancient one could have been like Doctor Strange isn't the best of us. Steve Rogers right there, he's the best of us. If we had more characters saying that Steve was really awesome I think that would have really added to this film. When Yoda said there was another Captain America. To justify him being. Bruce Banner should have been all like oh you know when I become the Hulk every part of me grows except my penis will never be as big as Steve Rogers. You want to say why they call me the jolly green giant? Dude. Someone in charge just said a big pale for the Hulk he just says as a group we smash. Oh no. Wait a minute. Look at Black Widow. She's into it, I'm into it. Totally. I didn't have to have anyone to be in this movie. Not on camera. I can just picture like it's like Oh my god. It's like Joss Whedon's son suggested to everybody and that's an idea. Yeah. Have you made gout? We're going to put that in the idea pile. I'm going to look right through that at some point. That's an interesting idea. Maybe I can work that to the movie. I have him say something like we could do this all day or maybe avenge the assemble just something to justify him being there justify him being there. I am harsh. It looks like he's Naruto running in this frame. I think he does in this battle that any other adventure could also do just as well. Oh, that's all the time pretty much. Anything that's not related to leadership most avengers can do what he can do because he's not as strong as most of them he's not as fast as most of them he's not as agile as most of them I don't know why I have to explain this Thor God Okay? He can like summon lightning and shit Cap can't do that. Well Cap 2 end game for a little bit. I remember But if we're getting really literal normal people can't do what Cap can do that goes for this scene too I don't know why Go ahead What were you going to say Adam? Me? That was me I just remember because there was a comic that came out in the 2004 I think it was called JLA Avengers which was the the only canon crossover between the DC and Marvel Universes and when they were having their big fight scene towards the beginning where all the people were all the Avengers and Justice League people are all fighting who did they decide to pair up against each other Batman and Captain America because on both teams even though Cap does technically have enhancements he is still like the regular guy and thus they put him up against the Justice League's regular guy and what happens they don't fight they match move for move and they're like okay we're obviously evenly matched we should talk There's two crossovers there's one where they yeah they say they will talk it over but there's another one where Cap actually wins I put it on my shelf over there yeah there's DC vs Marvel JLA vs Avengers was technically the last one to come out but it came out many years later because it was rights issues great George Perez drew it by the way it's fucking fantastic if you haven't read it yeah there's been multiple crossovers if not better maybe then Bruce says we're Batman we are vengeance we're vengeance seriously I don't understand how much that's a horrible idea that we can do this all day why would that everyone in the audience would be like dude that's the whatty line we had this when Carter said I could do this all day yeah he was thinking we are Groot we are Groot this is where I mean give it to anybody it just works I don't understand this with a lot of because I'm not saying he's a writer I don't know if he is but like that approach with writing when Ryze is just like man I like that thing you did other writer I'm gonna just put it in my thing he's like do you know anything about the context for that and you're like I don't care I want it it's mine now that's modern writing yeah that's what I mean it's tiring like with Michael Waldron being like I want evil Scarlet Witch because a lot of people are telling me like you do know Scarlet Witch goes evil in the comics and I'm like yeah but I'm assuming it's built up it has like reasoning it doesn't just go nuts he literally has argued he just wanted it to be evil from the get go that's his logic why would another movie get to have the greatest villain is what he said literally he picked up his wonder toy and was like she's not as fun as the evil wonder toy I'm using this one it's like oh yeah oh my god oh I just saw this in the meme channel oh and I think we're thinking about the connotation of smash with this image as well hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha oh no you guys didn't tell me this got stupid stupid stupid hahahaha I love this art style it's so good okay hahahaha hahahaha you know what's so good about this image if anybody if anybody saw this if anybody saw this Stephen Hawking one if anybody saw this out of god they were like what the fuck were they talking about hahahaha hahahaha ugh nothing sacred no no it's not okay so what was he talking about maybe since they skipped over the hulk learning to become a team player they could have a scene of cat being the one to figure out how to make the hulk they skipped over the hulk learning to be a team player no no no you missed the you missed the point hulk at this point is so rage filled and fucking ready to go he doesn't really mind who he's punching however the people he's hanging out with are like you mind punching the fucking aliens which by the way is really fun in the context of this war cause we want to win it civil war tells you could you have aimed those punches a little bit better did you have to destroy buildings when you were doing it cause that's the thing the hulk is a rage monster he's just running around destroying shit so there's accountability after this because yeah the hulk is a dangerous basically nuke that you were trying to aim properly ties into a lot of different stuff trying to suggest that the hulk skipped an arc where he decided to work with them instead of against them you've once again forgotten the reason he's so willing to attack everybody on the helicarrier is a fucking mind stone he's going nuts he even picks up the fucking septa and let's remember a little film that came up before this I think it was the same year as iron man it was called the incredible hulk and I think there was a line in that where he went um what was it oh I don't think I can control him but I can direct him or put him in the right direction or something like that I don't remember that film nobody does yeah but I do cause I'm a nerd that was you point him in the right direction he will smash what you want him to smash this is not new hulk finally cooperate there are countless possibilities but no instead we get scenes like this where cap and Thor fight side by side only cap gets wrecked and Thor makes it look easy Thor is a god but what are we about to see here I need to know what we are about to see and what you're about to say well do you want to do why don't you tell us what we're seeing first and then we'll see what he says about it what we're seeing here is that Thor a god respects Captain America a man so much that he's going to lend him his hand to get him back on his feet how endearing is that well okay but did you see the part where Cap got shot and he went down meanwhile Thor like he can get shot and he's fine I saw the part where Cap got hit and we're about to see the part where he gets back up isn't that one of the most endearing sort of lessons about what it means to be a hero that when you get knocked down you get back up again I've always hated that about Cap I prefer it when he just never has any problems I like it way well yeah I mean how many times have we you know I've never seen in any other Captain America story him getting knocked down and then getting back up and I've never seen him do that and then say the line we can do this all day we can do this we can do this Thor's like what's what's what am I like we are Thor am I doing it right so he just turns around and says I am Iron Man no that's the other one what is our what is our dear chap about to say about what we're about to see Thor has to check in on him like he's a child and imagine checking up on a friend like you would check on a child he's just been shot with an alien gun what do you mean look fucking hell oh my god likewise has to ignore him like he's defensive everything he has to ignore him when he gets defensive what only cap gets wrecked and Thor makes it look easy Thor has to check in on him like he's a child and likewise has to ignore him when he gets defensive what wait alright hang on he just got shot the context I'm grabbing us the context I don't believe this man yeah exactly yeah this is really missing it's missing Hulk saying yes Hulk will smash for you it's horrible that's right he's thinking about how much of a virgin he is right now she's got laid before this battle like that's literally the panel he got up was just Hulk saying Hulk yes Hulk will smash for you to captain America and he's just like yeah we're missing that out directly from the script which is what happens in the movie in slow mo cap and Thor catch their respective hammer and shield cap and Thor turn and fight off Chitare warriors cap is shot in the ribs drops to the ground Thor sends a car rolling towards some of them and throws me on the other way helps cap to his feet Thor says are you ready for another bout and Steve says why do you get in sleepy oh wow how is that defensive like a child so he's interpreted that as capping like shut up I know I suck but you suck too and then Thor was like wow you're a very bitter old man that's actually I can do this all day yeah basically yeah it's him telling and plus Thor is asking if you're ready for another bout that means like are you ready to do even more like you're not done like you're gonna keep fighting right this is this is a primary example of what we call text and subtext text interpreted literally you come away with what this guy thinks subtext Thor isn't saying are you ready for another bout Thor is saying you've just been shot with an alien weapon maybe you should sit out and caps responses you get in sleepy what this guy actually means is yeah I can do this that means he needs a nappy he's like I'm a child it's an old man maybe he's getting a red, white, blue, blankie oh man you said something different in the movie you read the script it could be different I get everybody on twitter pulls the media literacy card on me they're like Moorla has no idea how to read into anything and I'm just like this is why I don't like this is this man doesn't know how to you know that's why you should interpret it it's funny you say that because I just found this thread let the hate flow through you let it make you stronger wait what's the thread so someone posted like efap posting their L's and just posted the thumbnail to the doctor strange one and this is like a series of this is like a reply someone asking what is a genuine criticism you have the Moorla and then some people had some responses besides it being long what isn't which isn't a criticism what's the problem he sucks and doesn't make real criticism alright fair enough he mentions a lot of instances of plot armor plot hulls dumb character decisions have drastic effects on the plot are those not real criticisms yeah they're not okay so what are real criticisms I'm not going to go into what's being told it's just Moorla seems out of pure escape oh there it is could you tell me what you mean I'm not going to do that do you mean deflection it's this it's like this twitter refusal it's just just basic explanation of what you're saying or what you mean they just never have time for it they have time to bitch what I'm saying like there's no I'm not going to do that surely it's got to get inconvenient you know not having a spine when in your day to day life like you just flippy flopping all over the place when you're trying to grab things how do you do it amazing apparently he had time to bitch all there but I guess he just didn't I have the time to say a lot of bitchy things but none of them are going to have substance alright you have to pay for that part when someone asks me to explain what I mean I will refuse and instead go do something else everything special about you came out of a bottle special about Captain America in this movie oh fuck he's a smart guy he's a leader dominating all the scenes in which he requires that skill he's someone who cares immensely about innocent lives being protected he has a moral backbone he'll go against institutions that he thinks are giving him wonky orders he's assertive he'll jump into fights super courageous let me get all of this from this movie not even including his movie you got a full fucking profile but he gets out punched by the Hulk though so no matter well now you bring that he never brings powers up in this whole video oh man I remember that part of the script he never mentions time to win battle come on virgin boy time to win the battle special about Captain America in this movie he isn't powerful he isn't smart he can barely win any of his fights and he gets continually disrespected by both his peers and the general public well so this is the part of the video where it's like how did they disrespect him by doing exactly what he says why are you cutting that out oh dude that's how you get him why are you saying that he's stupid because he doesn't know what the reverse polarity in like everything is that's your clip of him being stupid he doesn't know technology this guy does not think very highly of him oh come on to be fair bringing all of us here knew exactly what reversing the polarity was so it's kind of embarrassing I will say well you just take the polarity and you reverse it you put it the other way he's not powerful turn the battle around fuck out of it we all have internet routers okay you unplug it and plug it back in he says Captain America isn't smart whereas obviously ignoring all the parts in the film what it establishes doing really smart things like ordering the guys of how to handle this battle and stuff cherry picking is very real is that even cherry picking does cherry picking require a lack of content I was going to say all of his examples are just not even fair the misrepresentation yeah there's false equivalences there's confirmation bias massively like this is just everywhere oh yeah he had the idea before he looked through the film again yeah he never says cowardly did by both his peers you're right he hasn't got any reference for him being cowardly but he doesn't use it as courageous as a positive yeah good show even with his retarded fucking assessment you'd have to admit that he's courageous of course he showed scenes of him being courageous in multiple occasions so if we just don't mention it people will understand that I am right and the general public I am very much a fan of classic Marvel comics and I am very much a fan of Captain America because he's saying modern shit he's bitter I think that's I'm pretty sure he's referring to the fact yeah I think he's just saying that modern Marvel sucks in the comics as well as he probably means the movies too fuck it whatever I don't know but I think he's talking about modern comics suck man I really wish they portrayed that in Avengers you know he didn't just he didn't get shot in the film and then just get up and get ready to keep fighting there was no endurance showing in Avengers at all yeah and that other bit where he was blown up by a grenade and flown out of a fucking building and he got straight back up I hated that part also don't use this frame from the Civil War comic to fucking illustrate how notable he is wait the the one where he says I'm not gonna go down to some pampered punk like you that's like the end of his fight with Iron Man and then I think immediately after you see that they've done this what the man has steeled an entire block basically um you hate to see it when they man of steel a city you hate to see it what it means to be a true leader what he lacks in power he makes up for and resolves an endurance he's supposed to be the hero that keeps fighting when others go down I'm seriously baffled at how you you played the scene where he did that I don't know he's supposed to be the hero that pulls strength out of others he led them even the strength they didn't know they had he should be smart and mature only fighting when he needs to not arguing like a child when someone says something well literally mine started right there cap should be immune to any kind of magic that's my cap okay he's immune to magic he should hold me and stroke my hair and tell me I've been a good boy him and Thor make out that would be the fill by one all the other Avengers are arguing about themselves he should stand out as a voice of reason yeah he should be immune to the mind stone unless he doesn't realize the mind stone is a thing which I think is more likely if he's in over his head he should still be cool and collected he should know how to delegate his leadership as a weapon he uses just as effectively as his shield when he ordered all of the Avengers and helped them keep the Chitaru coordinates all part of the city and saved many lives but Iron Man ordered him to do that so therefore that doesn't count at all all of the specific directions that Steve gave the team were really Tony's he's a super soldier a fight with an average man should very much be an easy task he's not fighting average men he's fighting aliens without the part of the helicarrier do you remember the situation he said he's not just having one-on-one fights in a like a clear balanced ground for him oh but he just got trapped in a bad angle what the fuck yes he did what is he gonna say that I was distracted by the yellow monkey meme it's as if you have Joss Whedon is like writing it and he's like how do I make it so the cap is gonna have trouble with average soldiers considering you should probably fucking dominate them what if I put him in an environment where he is at a weakness he's ranged he's got no cover and he's gotta take care of this lever so that he can save Iron Man's life and then they come in through they have the advantage maybe I can make that work and then this guy's like wow you made it so that he's losing you couldn't get close without getting shot well then don't write it that way oh how dare you don't ever write him probably a fairy born in 1919 huge racist oh my god no can't take a bullet can't even get respect from cops gay handsome can fly will kill civilians base literal god giant dong this is so true I feel like this just sums it up does he have a video on Captain America from Endgame? we've got arguments there, especially the end I'm sure he thinks he's amazing remember he said Avengers December which is pretty much like saying we can do this all day what was really great was when he aptly said get the stones as far away from here as possible but then Smart Hulk said now we gotta get him across the battlefield behind enemy lines to get him back where they came from and for some reason Steve foolishly decided that was a good idea too fair all of them decide that's a good idea for some reason it is worth emphasizing again get the stones behind enemy lines to get them back in time right now instead of just giving them to Dr. Strange and portaling to a different planet trapped in a bad angle where you couldn't get close without getting shot well then don't write it that way why do you think he wrote it that way it's a challenge oh my god don't create a scenario where my hero can struggle he definitely wouldn't like our struggle I don't understand why does he like any of these films all of the heroes struggle, why would you write it that way why can't they just automatically win everything boo he must have hated Infinity War he must have been like what spoke to my brain about that is that by that statement he is acknowledging that that situation justifies the fact that Captain America struggled in that scene where he uses that scene as the criticism that he shouldn't struggle against thing and then he justifies that and then says he doesn't give a reason at all why that's criticism thinking that it's still standing surely this highlights the actual problem he doesn't like that Joss Whedon wrote Cap to struggle that's it he doesn't like that he put him in a scenario where he had to struggle when, like Shad said, he criticised Cap for even struggling in the first place in that scene exactly by saying that he's acknowledging that that scene is logically set up to justify Captain America struggling, undermining his own criticism exactly so this is another video by this guy why force healing works in the Mandalorian but fails in episode 9 that's interesting it's only a 3 and a half minute video it's only 3.5 minutes are you suggesting you want me to put that on after this is that what you're doing well it's only 3 minutes it just means it would take us 4 hours to get through if we do it quick just remember the video exists just keep it in your back pocket for later if you need it that's all I'm saying if you want to hear it be inspiring or even just likeable don't make him struggle at performing an easy task it's not it do you understand do you understand what does what do you always mean what's with the cursed Joss Whedon PNG by the way like what is that it's just like garbled deep fried Joss Whedon in the corner just because you can't think of anything better from what you do oh my god oh my god get it away what happened in the background there why are there all those weird artifacts he probably selected by color control X he tried to magic erase the background but the computer wasn't it didn't select everything yet and if you can't think of anything better for him to do then you're the wrong person for this job oh yeah yeah Joss I'm way better than you are you have your heroes struggle I don't want to see Joss Whedon's live reaction to this video be pretty funny hey Joss come on EFAP unironically please we can talk about the Avengers or fucking anything we can talk about Nevers dude I talked about Age of Ultron instantly I'd be like hey tell that movie huh and he's like yeah he already knows it's easy to distinguish his strength when compared to someone like Hawkeye or Black Widow that's how it should be but none of that is in this film yeah they just they show hang on do we see like Hawkeye or Black Widow get knocked out of a building crashing on a car or getting shot and just brushing it off like a tank we don't but the writers wisely didn't write them in that position so consider is he going to cut this off he is he cut it off before of course he did that's like before Thor hit him with a hammer there's a reason he keeps showing this shot in particular I think he's trying to imply to the audience that Cap is submitting to Loki but he literally gets up and says not today and then kicks him in the face which implies tomorrow what a cock what a yeah Joss Whedon hates Captain America what should be but none of that is in this film instead we get to see him outwitted overpowered, sad and scared oh he's sad oh he's sad oh no he's sad he's actually critical of the fact that he experiences sadness over a war what a cock what a pussy when Captain Cock America throws his loser inspire confidence he inspires pity he is not cool and collected he inspires pity lost and helpless lost and helpless we should be shocked by how much he does with so little is he actually punching Hulk is that what's happening that probably isn't going to end to be honest I would struggle with believing Cap punching Hulk and it doing anything alright in the comics he would I got one of the ultimate comics where he like kicks him right in the nuts oh that would I like that break your foot I think it's just Hulk more but um he fights Thanos toe to toe in Infinity War I mean like that he's tough endurance is like one of his superpowers like he's fucking tough like he does not back down he does go for a little bit against Thanos he does get knocked the fuck out by him he'll take on shit where he should no I like that I just mean I wouldn't want him to win I guess cause he'd be like oh that probably shouldn't have happened like when it comes to someone like Hulk or Thanos but he gets a couple of hits in even in the comic books yes he does I don't remember him ever winning against the Hulk ever he's not a wise leader he's a helpless child he's not the last one standing I don't need Hulk is a child seriously how could you say that after watching the film in any level of honesty loser help me understand your perspective show me your brain he's the first one down I'm pretty sure that he's not down and he's not down he gets back up cause remember Hulk gets taken out of the fight too for a while so he he wasn't the first one down he definitely wasn't he gets back up but he went down in the first place that was the mistake he's already done he got knocked down and then he shows a clip of him after he got knocked down and gets back up from Civil War oh wait is he saying Civil War did it right or some shit what a helpless child he's not the last man standing he's the first one down all of these issues that I talked about were ironed out in later films it was ironed out so to speak it wasn't the continuation of something that was already present you see Civil War fixed cap he was broken when you see it wait are we talking about this or what are we the meme the meme there's two memes in there oh oh oh oh oh oh it's good because of how little it is oh shit oh oh oh oh oh the only thing that they needed to do was with all the names on the top with Stephen Hawking and it's like Stephen Hawking as himself what you're calling Hot Wheels I guess or they put him in the Captain America outfit it's just clearly too big but he wears it anyway oh man so hang on I think we need to just quickly do a speed run of all our ideas for Stephen Hawking's superhero name I went with Hot Wheels Hot Wheels Robot voice um Hawk Wheels maybe the brain the brain Skyhawk he's reading chat does he fly like quick I hope so he looks totally like that but he just has random gadgets that pop out of his wheelchair oh um Captain Cripple he chooses that name and they're all like you want us to you want us to call you that he's like I'm like daredevil I own my disability I'm reading wants to chat the disabled we had uh Iron Supple we had Cripp Daddy on FNT last night and like right towards the end Gundam asked him if he masturbates and we get in this whole thing Stephen Hawking was able to get off with all this mistresses and how much that guy got laid it was a dark conversation what's good to say we got one guys we got one general relativity oh that's good I love it so what's in share devil I also like sub optimal prime sub optimal prime the broken avenger captain chromosomes oh he would have appreciated this by the way oh he would oh man there's so many in here oh my god talking bad steel wheel auto bot chair force lugs and crips the silent avenger the silent avenger the rolling avenger professor vegetable okay alright we need to auto tune you can't call him fish to talk okay guys that's good man of wheel alright a lot of these issues that I talked about were ironed out in later films was there blood on that shield wait a minute oh my god was there hold on need to see if there was blood on the shield he's not the last man standing he's the first one down oh wow so cap's kind of a murderer he's a yeah he must be a bad person there's blood on that shield what a horrible man can't believe he'd do that a lot of these issues that I talked about see that's what I'm talking about by the way with the media literacy thing the crowd for that against people like us when they were like you don't understand that walker was evil because that's what the show is telling you by having blood on his shield like they treat they would reverse engineer it if you understand we see the blood on the shield we're like oh my god how overt do you want to be that's absurd we get your point while they're like wow you didn't understand the blood on the shield represents that the shield has been tarnished it was like no I know I don't think it's very good see that's the thing I'm amazed because it's so overt on the nose it's almost embarrassing and they think they've spotted something the average person doesn't or something in terms of how you translate ideas through visuals it's just like wow you know what George Lucas was right George Lucas was right when he said most critics are like cinematically illiterate I agree we're ironed out in later films but that doesn't justify the mess it started it all with all that said I hope I've made imagine referring to a ninja's wait he wraps it up with I hope I made my point clear does he really say that no you raised many questions out in later films but that doesn't justify the mess it started it all with all that said I hope I've made my point clear enough for everyone Joss Whedon hates Captain America oh wait I suppose Joss Whedon also directed Age of Ultron but that whole movie sucks so it'd be kind of redundant just to single out the Captain America scenes I'll probably have to do a full breakdown of that one later on no first of all I don't know that you have the capacity to do so secondly Joss Whedon doesn't fucking like Age of Ultron there's a reason nobody likes Age of Ultron yeah so that was pretty convincing wouldn't you say feel like all of you are thinking now like oh shit we were wrong oh my god the punnish chair that's a stretch that was a super chat that she had not thought a good one handicapped in America dude so I want to go I want to go pee really quickly you know alright you guys talk about something I have to go sleep because I'm dying over here you know thank you for joining us you're welcome we'll see you thanks for the song you're welcome you're the best thank you for having me on collapse bye I'm going to go to before you pee oh okay hey hey hey oh okay see you in what hours hours like 10 or 12 hours you too Shad yeah talk about House of the D House of the D your chat is going to be filled with people saying how is Mueller awake and that's if I am I will warn you there is a slim chance I might conk out so hard that I might not make it okay it's not intentional I know I won't take it personal I won't take it that personal no it's fine if you got to sleep you got to sleep but guys it's been lots of fun had a blast congratulations on 200 later make it easy bye bye someone in chat posted a valid point which is Stephen Hawkins Nemesis would be John Walker John Walker yeah I wonder what they're going to do with that character given where they've said I guess they're making that Thunderbolts movie that he'll probably be in but I'm curious what trajectory they're going to send him on maybe that video is a troll nah I don't know he's got a she-hulk video that she-hulk is a new low from our didn't he say that he doesn't like the new I mean he may well hold that perspective I feel like there's no multi-versive mad this is like pretty remarkable in how flawed it is so a lot of children there's any low below that that's a film that just breaks in every possible way I don't know what you think from a writing standpoint that's even worth commending except for one line of dialogue by every now and then 40 minutes of material I mean I thought it was cool I thought it was cool the whole like you know when he's like puppeting his own corpse and he's got the souls and I mean none of that was set up and it was just like completely ridiculous but how did he get it he didn't have a sling ring that Doctor Strange there was no sling ring you're going in for the visual you're like I know when it's that movie you have to go it's totally ridiculous that's all they give you is the visuals like there's nothing more that is a visual that they wanted and they didn't care how they got it because I don't even like does this logic make sense dream walking into another alive sentient and conscious being is not as bad as dream walking into a dead empty being it's better when you have a victim like what kind of what kind of logic is that and also I thought magic didn't work in that like sorcerers were forbidden they couldn't get any closer but then casting spells and shit in the castle maybe they are using witchcraft and not sorcery right through illegal technicality it is allowed I thought that witchcraft was like something that was in the nature of these beings whereas where as sorcery was something anybody could learn right is that how I thought we had this conversation didn't we I don't know what the rules are in the Marvel Universe though to be fair I don't imagine whatever they want it to be I don't think I think that if you were to ask any writer who's written for the magic stuff what are the rules of magic that you wouldn't even get an answer like a real answer I don't think anybody knows what's going on anymore I wouldn't be surprised if people couldn't even tell you what year their story is set like after finding out that the Hawkeye writers had a continuity era where like they didn't even know how many years their story was set after Endgame like that just blows my mind how can you write stories in this universe when you don't even know where they take place because they know nobody cares everyone's just watching the visuals anyway I guess the thing is is that I wonder how it seems like the sentiment is turning it seems like more and more how long it takes for people to recognize the current MCU thing as bad it's like diminished it used to be maybe a year now and then it was six months and then with Doctor Strange it was only a month and a half maybe before people turned on that film and thought like everybody was against the law when it came out maybe a day or two for some people well I mean when was the last good like Marvel property so I would say that the last good one probably because I don't know if I would call Infinity War a good I like Infinity War a lot yeah it's got a lot of problems but it's good though are we talking about on the upper scale like so we're talking like six and up if we're talking six and up I actually think the last one that you could probably say was the six and up would be home because no one home is like usually slots into five just because of all of the plot problems yeah we have to we have to pay a heavy price to get our payoffs um yeah I because I mean I probably say like the last one that I would say is like good or above would be homecoming probably not the last one I liked because I like Infinity War yeah probably um because you think about what comes up to that Ragnarok has got plot problems for sure um and then you got Black Panther's got a lot of problems then Infinity War for as much I like it's got problems Ant-Man and the Wasp I can't even fucking remember that movie Quantum that's all you need to know about that film Quantum but then it gets a Quantum out of 10 uh Captain Marvel definitely not very good not very good and pretty bad uh Far From Home has got problems it's got good elements but it's got a lot of problems I really like that movie but it does have issues well yeah it's probably because I was thinking yeah it's Spider-Man Homecoming and right before that was Guardians 2 so yeah yeah so I think um because Phase 3 was pretty exciting for a while there and then it all because now we're at the point what was it one of the She-Hulk writers said oh yeah everybody's just kind of moved on from the blips like ah yes everybody's just moved on from the worst thing ever happened in history of your universe yeah that's Phase 3 so one two three four five like through the first five movies I mean yeah Civil War was good Doctor Strange was I mean it wasn't good it had a good protagonist I liked him quite a bit you know Guardians 2 yeah Homecoming is good Rektorok I'll take it absolutely I'll take it and then it was just like meeeeere kind of well it definitely seems like um what we thought was the lowest you could go it just keeps getting that bar just keeps lowering it's pretty remarkable um because I mean look at this phase how many films could you actually say like what was what is the um the standard rule like far from home not far from home no way home is like in a five territory and everything else the best yeah it's the new way like a three out of that's insane here we've got Phase 4 we started out with Black Widow amazing we have Sean incredible yeah no way home just like we're what are you doing here no way home what are you doing there's a multiverse of Madness and Leaven Thunder they all one two punch there and Wakanda forever is up next and I mean that's that's kind of the thing it seems like people now have the general view that Phase 4 has not been very good that seems to be common um maybe not like super duper common to the point that every single person holds that perspective but like it's pretty common except for yeah I mean Spireman no way home is the best one and you're giving a five like yeah I mean this is not this is but it's like a five but it's a five in the sense that it has really good stuff and really bad stuff it's not it's not meddling throughout it just has super good peaks and super low valleys it has what it has that none of the other films have is that it has strong character work except for Doctor Strange but like everything else it has the same plot problems where nothing really makes sense at all mechanically um but then the other films have the problem of who are the characters that we're in dear to who are the characters that are really strong who are they and especially when Phase 4 has got to be the phase where you need to have new characters take on the role but the characters you don't have access to anymore Phil you don't have Iron Man anymore you probably don't have Cap anymore Thor's basically destroyed anyway um and I guess Hulk as well like I don't know what we're doing with him uh Black Widow was doing pretty well up until Endgame like she had it was and then retroactively post-op screwed it all up yeah when a character is dead you don't expect them to be assassinated from beyond the grave because this isn't even the same way as Tony was like you know they keep shitting on Tony post-death that's not the same thing they literally told a story between films about Black Widow that fucks everything up about her arc well yeah because with Tony it's like it's his grave it's defecating on his grave as opposed to that where she got pulled out to just be like break through the coals someone pulled out of that you had her like you nailed her and then she was like she was leaving as she was heading out the door they just it just all came back it all caught up to her you have to pay the piper this is the MCU and this is the question as they pulled out of net so um there's this there's something that people wanted us to check out back in the day oh boy we covered the first half of it you might say back in the day and everyone was like you're gonna cover the second one right and then we were like nah nah and I thought well I'm gonna chop up a couple little clips of things put into some stuff and I was like oh maybe I can chop this up I can chop this up and we'll get some stuff and we'll throw it in and I think we got a good selection here you guys have seen that star war films haven't you the ones with the yeah the empire the Jedi strikes back the phantoms that's a good one the attack of the menace that's the one with the teddy bears right yeah yeah so badass hang on hang on are you talking about the one with space wizards that were made for children the ones that were made for like yeah yeah I remember them wow bring it up let's see it so so there was this little thing that was put out about a character it was one of those really boring characters Obi-Wan Anaby he was one of the lame ones and they were like let's look at the TV show and it turns out it was great it was pretty awesome it was this new character called Riva I love the arc that she went on oh yeah dude she learned a valuable lesson so valuable I felt like Kenobi just kept getting my idea so annoying to have Kenobi in the show fans like him but whatever so he was in it a lot of us here actually as well have done little reviews of it there was another channel that did a review and they kind of implied it was pretty great and we covered their first set of reviews on it they did episodes one through I want to say four maybe five they had a little bit of an extra video on it we're going to check out the rest of the stuff they said now I might need to we were fine last time in terms of getting hit with any kind of copyright I was always worried that that might not be the case so I might still put up a protectiony thing for it justing put the condom on hot put the copyright condom on is there a red in this user's letter you could say that no how dare you what's the rat how dare you how dare you what's that well we're back everybody here we go here we go how dare you attack these cultural icons and heroes it's funny everybody who like disagreed with them on their Kenobi take which is in our spheres and stuff other people were like wow you disagree with them it's like I disagreed with them the second I disagreed with them yeah you could disagree without you have like no loyalty and then I was thinking like wait wouldn't you just criticize the reverse if I did the reverse you're like wow you can't disagree with your heroes can you yeah kind of baffled by it I feel like I have to do this caveat for some reason it's like I like red letter media I'm still watching them after having heard the opinions that are shared in this fucking video no no no once a youtuber gives an opinion you don't like you have to unsubscribe and never watch them ever again yeah well what is what's opinion one comment on the movie what are they reviewing well to give you an idea in the first half they said the Obi-Wan Kenobi like and they're talking about like throughout Star Wars the boring character right which was interesting old Ben it's just not the kind of take you'd expect from big Star Wars fans you'd be like oh you didn't like Obi-Wan Kenobi oh strange how very strange he didn't do much hey they will what do you really do kind of nothing all right fine I mean he just saw like he died and stuff but in the prequels oh the prequels yeah I'm talking about the original oh he's even cooler in that one do they like him in the prequels these guys don't like him these guys hated the fucking prequels yeah exactly maybe the only one that will try and go to fansforce for these guys but he's gonna try well I haven't seen Obi-Wan on the tv show so I can't really I haven't seen Kenobi either obviously because everyone said it was garbage I listened to you guys I was like why don't I waste my time with this you may be surprised to find out Sige but their most controversial opinions aren't even about Kenobi in this video okay really interesting is Ben in return of the Jedi I mean he's like a a space ghost right yeah he Ben is ghost he comes back as a talk show host he's like a blue hologram right he talks a little bit and stuff yeah what's he say like use the force probably I don't remember okay Teddy bears to use the force is he in Empire Strikes Back who Obi-Wan really yeah he doesn't he's dead by then he doesn't show up oh you're right yeah he's dead he dies in the first one right yeah yeah the fourth one rather alright don't wanna makes people up eight episodes of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show so I said let's film four and then four more but turns out there's only six by the time you get to the sixth episode I was actually enjoying it more than I had the previous episodes because I was like hey it actually feels like it's going somewhere I wonder what my brain my brain he just can't do this well that's one way to approach assessments whether or not stuff is happening going in here I was liking it because it was going somewhere so with the train to Auschwitz just because you're going somewhere doesn't mean it's a good thing there's a lot of movies that don't go anywhere so that's usually bad in a movie or a tv show I wish most of the new mcu things never went anywhere the problem with a lot of those movies is that they go everywhere so much all the time now I need to know it's better than not going anywhere though what's the definition of going somewhere is this like have the film depicting them changing location or going somewhere move from room to room like so the plot moving forward yes that's what I would think he means the story there's some conflict trying to overcome a challenge a challenge well here's the problem things do move forward in episode 1, 2, 3, 4 they're definitely going somewhere what is the challenge where are things going let us know for people who haven't watched this episode 1 is what you could call the call to adventure I guess he's told being a hermit on Tatooine the layer is kidnapped and he's the one that's got to get her and the episode mostly shows you what he's been up to this whole time then the call to adventure and then him accepting it and the episode ends with him getting on to a transport to go get it episode 2 he infiltrates where she's kept captured, breaks her out of there and the episode ends with him relying on someone he barely trusts to get out of there and he narrowly escapes a sitting quiz to try and get him episode 3 episode 4 the movie episode 3 is before episode 4 yeah okay but this is a TV show Kenobi we're talking about right when I say episodes I'm referring to the TV show episodes right no I understand that but the whole series takes place the whole series takes place between Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars episode 4 a new hope okay gotcha look I'm just trying to get straight keep going I can hear I can hear look I want to know I remember Star Wars it's about nine years before a new hope look Adam I'm offended you I'm not sure we can be friends anymore I was very I saw the pre-equals I was very upset I tried to block it out of my memory so I don't I vaguely remember the third pre-equal it was like the lava planet one right so that's a creation of Vader yeah so okay so this takes place after that yeah well okay they're escaping across this new planet they're on and Vader personally lands and comes after Kenobi and they have a big fight Obi-Wan narrowly escapes and Lair is captured he's got a that is episode 4 are you gonna break her out of this stupid inquisitor base or is that 5 no hold on here you're supposed to know this stuff yep no episode 4 is when they're in yeah yeah because he breaks her out of the base because then they get chased to that other base yeah there's lots of they infiltrate a base to break out Lair in episode 4 and Wade dies not Wade Wade I was rough and when Wade died I was gonna say that was a weird delayed reaction from all of you I thought he was your favorite character yeah he was that's why there was a delayed reaction it's like my heart had to catch up dealing with my heart right yeah I was just sort of like dumbstruck when he roughs name I just didn't know what to I guess I'm sorry for bringing that up actually that's tender you know you need to put a trigger warning whenever you bring up Wade's death yeah that's the 4 episodes they were talking about where nothing happened although it's not going anywhere I guess ouch I think it's bad but I wouldn't have said it's not going anywhere he's supposed to get Lair back and that's over those 4 episodes he is a lot of stuff happened it was just all crap mm-hmm I guess to Jay just seeing Obi-Wan and Vader fight each other we got this in episode 3 they fought and then neither of them died with their chunky lightsabers my overall opinion hasn't really changed much I still like it other than the other than the Mandalorian season 1 this is the most I've liked Star Wars in the last 35 years it's so depressing so fucking depressing Obi is the worst of the shows and I don't even think it's clothing listen the expectations for Star Wars are so low that they're like battered spouses okay they're just like please anything unironically the prequels are just better than Kenobi wow okay wow that's a bold claim that would be tough for these guys to admit even if they believe the prequels are better than a lot of things I'm gonna have to watch Kenobi now I know save yourself wait Shad where do you think it's better the prequels or the sequels oh prequels what do you think about that Sitch correct why are you asking I said the prequels are better now because of the meme quality you've asked me this question which one do you think is better from a story teller quality I know it's just I'm gonna make you fight the sword man it's happening the prequels are both dog shit that's great that's not what I asked you though which one is better from a storytelling standpoint the prequels or the sequels prequels from a storytelling storytelling perspective well it's kind of cheating well it's kind of cheating because the third sequel is like completely incoherent that's not cheating answer the question I think that average is out just the prequels on that alone was you saying the prequels are better storytelling oh yeah sure there we go chat we got him yeah Adam and Sitch it's the first time I've been in a stream with Sitch and Adam and I don't even get into a heated debate you won the debate it's not really winning a debate if you ask me a question and I agree hey hey Sitch don't rub this from me oh my god don't mind chat chat chat you are fine because Sitch is already on record just having said the storytelling the prequels and sequels was either just as bad or the prequels lost out that opinion has changed now so I'm very satisfied you did it Shad none of that just makes me respect you guys more you know you're able to learn from your evil ways and repent what do you think is the most important aspect of storytelling oh no consistency obviously obviously yeah exactly that's a really good answer glad to hear that there's a lot of thought I can tell when the character changes at the end of the story I fucking hate that oh my god is this the fabled argument you spent the entire movie building up a character and then they change at the very end of the movie and do you think that is indicative of any consistency yes it is remember when Han Solo came back to help his friends oh my god yes I just want to know before we stop do you agree with him no don't we're talking we talked about this don't be honest don't be honest don't be honest you said the quiet pot loud I need to put on a cup of tea or something that's gonna take a while we're allowed to troll you guys come on you guys just made us watch a whole troll this is a no trolling zone that was not a troll video I still don't believe that yeah I don't believe it I need to sign affidavit from the video maker we were told by people that you had an argument you wanted to give was it just a troll I'm sad now what do you mean probably I keep telling people to tell you false arguments to rile you up what about the real ones you would do that to us I mean not to you Fringy but tomorrow I would come on be offended on my behalf well look alright I want to use the advantage I have of being respected a little bit more to just have this conversation forward I didn't say that literally just said I'm not my perspective that's not my opinion somebody just did a really good Fringy impression no I'm not using it as though it's true as written into the fabric of reality I'm saying this is a perspective that seems to be being espoused and I'm just trying to leverage it you're saying you believe it you're leveraging it I'm leveraging it for the time being before we can dispel it listen Fringy is just being very consistent hey look alright wouldn't it be at two Fringe Fringe I don't think so that's so good I like it well okay you like character arcs right Adam that's what you like what look at this do you like character arcs I fucking hate character arcs usually movies I'm not down with characters changing because of the movie but to be consistent they should stay the same throughout the entire movie I can't tell when you're meaning or not I think he's being serious I'm being serious he's saying he's serious but I think him saying he's serious is also a meme he's doing a bit look I'm telling you consistency is king I don't want characters that learn from their experience in the movie okay why do you think it's inconsistent for a character to change over time do you know did you know really change rags okay that's a myth you understand that if a car is going down the road at 60 miles an hour it's not accelerating right Han Solo is a scoundrel okay I don't want the scoundrel with a heart of gold for having said first of all rags you must have hated the Force Awakens of course I did you're constantly slightly accelerating and de-accelerating okay because you're not holding your foot perfectly at 60 when you're driving oh actually you're revolving on a spherical earth which means you're changing your vector so technically you are accelerating that's right apparently you don't understand revising polarity so yeah if you reverse the polarity of the piloscavator inside of the technical manifold device then inside of the car that's a good point you dingers meme Mahler I am fascinated by your your objective way of looking at movies so I think it's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to him I think it is totally amazing and I completely agree that there should be an internal logic and an internal consistency within movies the whole thing is I've thought about this a lot more since the last time we talked about it and also I don't believe you I believe you I came up with a character arc thing exactly that's a new argument you kind of came up with that on the spot it sounded like you came up with that on the spot do you wonder do you wonder if the way the reason that they can get away with all these inconsistencies in movies like the multiverse of madness or whatever it is is because just audiences are dumber like they can't really catch all of these inconsistencies because they're not really paying attention what was that say though about if we can all concede that there are higher class, lower class or higher quality and low quality foods and yet the populace like gorge on mcdonalds yes exactly maybe there's a lot we can conclude there in an allegorical sense you know totally yes it is the best food of movies these days they're just looking at the pictures right they're not really following the story yeah and I don't actually there's people so this is the big thing I've offended some people from my new video because I make a comment about window liquors enjoying multiverse of madness maybe I didn't do a good enough job of explaining you offended the window liquors window looking crowd I might not have been clear enough on what I was talking about it's I don't mind I'm offended it's totally fine to be able to enjoy this stuff as well as enjoying mcdonalds I'm saying they make this stuff for the people to talk about how great it is when it absolutely is shite the only people that will do that like no offense but I think if someone's going to praise multiverse of madness for its incredible writing something's wrong it would be like oh I doubt Michael Waldron would be happy if you're like yeah shit but I mean I enjoyed it like it was tasty shit but it was shit I doubt Michael Waldron would be happy with that of course it's like the mcdonalds of movies it made a lot of money one thing I say there in the video is like I don't believe anybody when going through this movie in detail would praise its script now someone could be like wow seriously I just don't if you went through I'm doing you a favor by saying I don't think you would that's kind of where I'm going with that the comment was supposed to reflect the idea that it's made for people that I wish were in the positions of they watch multiverse of madness you're like wow what great cinema you know Martin I'm with you man these are just really shitty roller coasters if you meant exactly what I'm talking about I'm not going to change his words he dug his own grave with the statements we've been over this a million times I'm just saying that I didn't mean to say that anybody who enjoys multiverse of madness must be retarded or something no you could enjoy all kinds of things that are very good that's probably true though I enjoy plenty of things that are really badly written I have a higher opinion of retards than some of you how you contextualize it though if I said the room was incredibly well written and I was citing my experiences with it I would be like oh there's something wrong with me that's why I'm missing that's not what I'm saying but I am saying if people are going to start arguing that then there's something wrong I really liked it fine with anybody I can cite reasons to enjoy multiverse of madness there's plenty such as I like some of the shots I like seeing Professor Axe look at him go impressively see him get his head blown they could enjoy some of the action set pieces yeah there's explosions in there there's big tentacle monsters to those cool my perception my perception of a lot of normie kind of just movie watchers and stuff is that and this isn't to insult them they don't have very high standards for what they will enjoy and I'm reflecting this on me because when I was younger I didn't need much for me to enjoy a film if I had a cool action fight in it I would enjoy it and just with my growth just maturing as well but learning about writing is on top of that now and also when I experience something truly good like exceptionally good and the enjoyment and entertainment I get out of that versus a lot of the other films that I've watched suddenly that kind of resets my standards even on a subconscious level and I want that quality again and then I'm comparing it against something as a standard and it's revealing all the flaws in the other stuff I watched but yeah when I go back to when I was younger if it just had some cool action fight scenes I would think that's a great movie I really fun and I think a lot of people are in that mindset but for the most people even with that it's the analogy like you don't need to be a master pianist to be able to tell if someone can't play the piano well that they might not be able to pick out the exact reasons you know why or even know the flaws of say multiverse of madness right but I don't think nearly anyone is ever going to say multiverse of madness even normies are going to say that it's as good as Lord of the Rings or something truly exceptional I think even on a subconscious level most people have this perception of quality where it's like they know something that's truly good versus something that was just sludgy McDonald's you know popcorn flick you have to have a lot of other ancillary information though to to realize that there's logical inconsistencies in some of these Marvel movies unless you're like super paying attention well I mean I watched I'm about halfway through your your video on multiverse of madness Mahler and I mean some of the things you pick out I mean I don't know the Marvel Universe well enough to know that they're breaking some you know logical rule that's totally fair the only thing is that a lot of their payoffs and like drawing meaning from their basing that on your knowledge of previous events as well cause what they do is they draw from what they want they don't draw from what they have to draw from as a result of drawing from what they want so you're literally missing the payoff because you don't know the setup yeah I would argue as much as you're correct that a lot of people will miss the inconsistencies because they're not familiar enough with all the content this is based on they will also miss a lot of the points being made that are meaningful because they're not familiar enough with the payoff it's something like a character arc I mean a lot of people can intuitively pick that up even if I mean it's either there or it's not they see that the character has changed some of the reviews because I did check out a lot of them some of the reviews were just saying outright like Dr. Strange does not have an arc in this film and I was a little bit baffled by it because I felt like they were fucking they shotgun blasted into my face all these different things at once so it's just so what the fuck is going on with this character I don't even mean in terms of overtness I mean that they did when you have a line like are you happy Steven it's like yeah what are we doing but the thing is I don't blame them for thinking there's no arc because you don't know what to connect that to in the film other than right at the end Wong just goes yeah I'm happy yeah so you're like what are we then then you can pay that it's unearned I don't think I put this in the video but in the behind the scenes Michael Waldron talks about how maybe the next film will address the happy stuff and it's just that's good maybe yeah I did include the quote though where he said maybe what makes Doctor Strange happy is not being a hero which is one of the most bizarre fucking comments I don't even I think I say in the video like what am I supposed to do with that what what do you mean yeah it was weird because they kept trying to compare Steven to Wanda like they're both characters who yeah you know regret past life choices they made you know and then they compare Steve to you know alternate Steve and I was like why don't they just make they should just made Doctor Strange the bad guy like that was what they were going for to fight this alternate version of self who and then maybe this you know maybe this Steven Strange is becoming jaded is becoming like that would have been so much more interesting if he actually like you could see him going on the path of the alternate you know Steven strange there at all in this movie you're asking for much more focus from what we got that's for sure I mean I know you know absolutely right movie you could make it about like you know this Steven is gone dark he took over the maybe not the world but you know why not you could have taken over the will you decide he took control of a lot of the major powers just like in the script you have you know the other Steven regrets his choices and he's you know doing the Rick and Morty going to alternate universe was to hop in and he's fucking everything up because he's you know he's just selfish and then you see this Steve you know he's at the wedding with Christine and he's like going down this path he's starting to wonder like why am I doing all this stuff some guy in the streets people on the street are like shitting on him for not saving enough people during the Thanos fight like you could really build that up well the point I wasn't trying to make was that there's some level of an approach with evil strange where he's gone mad with power or taken things too far right so you have our character gets to compare himself but even if you were to say like yeah we can't do that because all this other stuff going on it's like well you still have what they call sinister strange or whatever you're still in this movie so we can still do something with it right Michael's like I want to make him a person who will kill himself if he doesn't have a girlfriend that is that is so fucking wrong you're just sort of like Michael why did you write it that way why was it give me your Christine dude that but you love me if you give her to me when you realize the big fight is literally over him trying to steal his girlfriend you're like what the fuck are we doing I will shoot your school break I swear to God so lame isn't it someone in Chaz that I relate to that yeah fair enough if he had the dark hole then why couldn't he just conjure up a Christine that loves him like Wanda no that's hex powers to do that the dark hole just all the dark hole can do is summon crazy monster constructs in other universes rags that's all it can do it's not even a monster who loves you that's what's important it's not what's on the outside wait in the Steven that's in like the destroyed universe is that his original universe is that the universe he went to it's just one of the universes he went to that are destroyed it's not the original one now how is he going through universe to universe you got knocked in there by Wanda who mind control for some reason no no no how about the evil dr. strange evil dr. strange destroyed his own universe because he dreamwalked too much except there's still oxygen on earth wait I thought dreamwalking wasn't the problem I thought it was actually going into the universe dreamwalking also is part of it I'm pretty sure yeah no yeah yeah it reads as when you dreamwalk you were destroying the universe you're going to and your own and yet meanwhile they didn't give a shit that Wanda was about to come by a dreamwalk they overtly say they just don't give a fuck which is so weird yes because they do not handle her for anybody who doesn't well that's right one of them gets his head blown up with his own power and the other one gets turned into spaghetti they both get their heads blown up that's true his head gets blown up after she disassembles him from his feet up causing him excruciating pain for no reason whatsoever yeah Wanda has the Doctor Strange power problem where like one second she can do whatever the fuck she wants the next second she's like a door I can't get past this door I just want to emphasize when the storm is bearing reach she's going to have to bury a bunch of spaghetti in a box that's what he gets spaghetti on a plate hey at least there is a body to bury unlike that guy who got disintegrated in Kamataj while he was screaming for his life she'll be a hero again and we're meant to just ignore all these things why not of course we're not going to ignore them Doctor Strange will say you did the right thing in the end she threw him off a cliff just because he was like putting out how reaction she was he did the right thing in the end she did the right thing in the end by drawing the tool that Doctor Strange used to save the multiverse which is the right thing they should have straight up murdered her she didn't deserve to have a redemption she's cold begin to sell her yeah literally a dark hold as in dark destroy it he's coming back it changes people I can't believe that she's coming back wait she's not dead she's too popular a character is too popular to a lot of people to window liquors I liked her before this before WandaVision she was fine character after WandaVision that was when she got super duper popular she became totally evil and raped people's mind she became very popular there's a lot of audience members that like that shit I don't know they like mine rapist that's her thing now it's a very specific fetish but yeah it's like well it's the most thing about it she's pretty she was an ugly man they wouldn't have liked the mine rape okay if Captain Marvel had intervened at any point during the spaghettification Reed probably could have made a full recovery considering the nature of it they watched because their best friend got well not their best friend but one of their acquaintances got disintegrated into little spaghetti you know I saw a comment that said I agree with mostly everything there's a couple of bits you fucked up on and I was just like alright what have we got he was like keep asking why doesn't WandaTin you know Strange and Wong for example where she was like I don't want to go to spaghetti when she did it to Reed but you clearly have missed she can only turn him into spaghetti because he's stretchy to begin with how does she how does she shred him up I think they missed the important point I don't really give a fuck if she actually turns them into spaghetti or not it's the killing of him instantly is really the most I'm just trying to visualize if that's the case what would it look like if she tried to do that same spell on a regular person it would be like a blender just bread it would be more effective really the wish you vaporize is the guy on the floor and the fortress just use that that looks like a pretty powerful ability I'd be using that one more instead she's hiding a beautiful much pain to this man who said that he has a wife and kids and then by all accounts seems to be a hero from what little I understand about him he's not obviously like given what we know about the Illuminati but still yeah the film I guess they killed their own Dr. Strange Dr. Strange did and I remember that Dr. Strange did kill like the universe of people though he's not evil he did that by accident he had no idea but so he asked to die I don't know I'd fight with that he felt the overwhelming guilt a guy felt the overwhelming guilt of literally killing countless like lies that's not why he was killed he felt guilty about it they're explicit they killed him because he might dream again and destroy a universe they explicitly say that they should have done it for guilt I don't kill what I'm talking about you could feel guilty because you did something that you had absolutely no reason to believe was even possible or a thing that's not a reason for you to be like yeah you guys better kill me no I'm saying he could be so he could feel such guilt in such like he's just so depressed why would they agree to do it for you why would they be like yeah instead of telling him he couldn't have possibly known because listen sometimes you know you gotta do a homie a solid you gotta do a homie a solid no you suck him off you don't fucking annihilate him with your magic powers I was about to say the main issue is their logic they don't even tell us why he agreed it was his worry that he would do it again so yeah they think there's a chance he might use the dark hold to dream walk again and destroy a universe when he explicitly tells them the second he found out he did damage he told them and he felt immense guilt and he swore off the dark hold oh okay then there's like nothing more than he could have possibly done and that's what I said in the video I was like what exactly do you expect from this man he's done everything possible to rectify his he's fucked he didn't know that was gonna but it did how do you destroy a universe the reason why they discover incursions the reason why they know that that's a thing that can happen is because it happened after he dreamwalked there did not was a thing before that when you think about it it's probably a damn good thing that someone like him discovered that's what happened because if somebody else discovered that they might not have never learned that was even a thing or reported it to people that could potentially do something about it wait a minute I thought the danger was like if he walked into another unit or went into another universe he would bring the universe he's from crashing into the universe the other universe so shouldn't their universe be fucked up too well read said it destroys them both or destroys one that's what he said I don't well how would he wait but it's only happened once well how would he how could he say that because I bring this up in the video I said how could he know it destroys your own universe has your universe been destroyed like that doesn't make any fucking sense they do this throughout such they're like if you take America's power she'll die how do you know that have you done that before right and then it's like it might take your power I can control it that card how do you know that you just have a feeling there is a person who has that ability she is the only person in the known multiverse who can travel but apparently it's a power that can be extracted and it's a power that you know well if you do that but it kills them and you know that maybe she's just suicidal if she loses her power take my power and I'll kill myself you don't know why was her name America she's from some weird alternate dimension coincidence I didn't even have America in it coincidence what's she's from a universe with an America like country because Vespucci America still discovered in all universes Vespucci America America still one of the things that we floated as an old you know in these alternate universes what if you did something that was even like not related to the Marvel Cinematic Universe like a universe where I don't know Spain went all the way up like the east coast of the United States and so when they land in New York it's not New York it's like New Madrid or something and and because she can speak Spanish she can be the guide through this universe while Doctor Strange you know it's just not equipped to navigate it but they all you did was flash through all of these interesting alternate universes so we ended up in the boring universe and floating debris universe I really thought the movie was going to be like them going to like crazy alternate universes we wanted to chase them and we're going to go to this one alternate universe so the problem is that you try and that's it well we thought that The Mandalorian would be a really cool show about an awesome bounty hunter a little Degenerate a little thing we know would be about fucking babies so wait how does this mesh with the Loki show is that a Loki show? so is the Loki show only alternate timelines or is this just completely retroning the entire Michael Waldron it's alternate timelines is what you could jump between in like the basic universes it's different you can only have one timeline but you can have an infinite number you can have multiple timelines well you can have there are people there are people who defend this shit who as far as they're concerned it's like baseline is timelines and then in those timelines there are universes and then in each of those universes there are dimensions and then in each of those dimensions there are realms even though Loki explicitly said that the different timelines would lead to a war showing all of the different timelines clashing with each other timelines are multi-verses that's it that's it and they say as a part of the defense so something you have to accept if you want to believe this is that all of the sorcerers are retarded in Doctor Strange because all their dialogue in that film doesn't make any sense anymore so you have to just agree that they're all idiots and they don't know how any of it works one of the comments I covered was like oh yeah they don't even know about timelines in Doctor Strange and it's like did you see Endgame Ancient One knows about it she's very familiar with it in fact well she's dead and Doctor Strange didn't tell anyone about it because you know he forgot the fact that Bruce is trying to explain to a white easter that she explains to him how timelines will get fucked the sorcerers don't know anything about it like why can't you just accept they fucked it they fucked it they have no idea what they're doing you're just being nitpicky and biased Doctor Strange 2 was very fantastic hey we've got a job to do and that is to see Red Letter Media's bad Star Wars takes that's true yeah cause I've only got like 40 minutes left good to get some of this out of the way oh also hi Evan how you doing yeah hi by the way looks like I came in the right time what's the most important element of media itself and then Star Wars prequels versus sequels it's like alright awesome what's going on the most important conversation I don't know it's like four in the morning I feel like I should leave wow sick get this show to do tomorrow we have to stream for 12 hours tomorrow we still have to stream for 12 hours we have to stream for 8 to 10 hours surely I'm banking my situation at important we can do like 30 hours been provided by appearing on your show it's like we're trading hours oh I see for every hour you've been on our stream we have to be on your stream for an equal time yes you're enslaved equivalent exchange does we want you to come on our show and do like the fight club video so I mean when do we go over into UOS time that's what I want to know what is the fight club video it's a good question it's a video about how Edward Norton is the fictional character and Brad Pitt character is the real character it's Maggie May Fish made a crazy fight club video that's just insane okay so you disagree with her assessment what are you saying we totally agree with her feminist perspective I knew it our gender studies degrees are finally coming to use here so excited well I mean yeah just all you need to do is go on that twitter thing and then send me a message and be like this is the date can you do it and then if I say no you move it well we'll do it we'll do it you have been very generous coming on our show a lot of times but we'll just ask for you I saw you upload the all the covers are just bad at you Adam how do you feel what are you talking about well to be fair they've mad at all of you actually on our channel it doesn't bother me at all I want to see I want to see the one on one the destiny vs mauler one on one which I mean I was trying to facilitate that conversation but it wasn't really happening well you see Sargon had to talk about the mono myth and Aiden had to talk about the legacy you were talking about how we don't want to see our heroes drinking milk or something you don't want to see our heroes doing stupid shit I mean that's solid right that's good advice stupid drinking milk or is it just alien milk if it's like alien titty milk I'm like crazy I don't know we've had conversations about this before why are you drinking it but this is why destiny can like fucking dagger you in the back when you say stuff like that because look at them, look at them forgiven right wait you probably haven't seen them have you seen them forgiven destiny strawmans all the time hey, hey, hey stay on topic stop drinking milk what look at this poll yeah that's the one with with uh yeah the good bad and the ugly guy Clint Eastwood yeah that's it do you remember that film opens with him in pig shit falling over several times do you remember this I believe so yeah he's regarded as one of the greatest westerns of all time well yeah because he's like there's a story there okay wait give me what's that it sounds like you don't know what point I'm making you guys seriously like not picking up I haven't seen the unforgiven so I don't even know what you're talking about what I'm saying is you can contextualize you're saying Clint Eastwood looked embarrassing in this movie in the beginning and people liked it this is why you gotta not give destiny when you just say in isolation I can't see my hero drinking teddy milk it just it sounds like he's just gonna ignore it cause it's like in context it might work there are examples where it could you gotta like reframe it and get to the fundamentals before and to be honest with you you want to get every last reference out of impossible seriously I said this on the stream when he provided you the um the assessment of uh premonitions he was done he told you the premonitions were like in stone which was just false there's no how they work that's why he said he was straw manning cause obviously that's not true all I'm saying is like he hung himself and you just gotta throw it all back and uh it's the best way to get it I want you to do that I tried I know no one would shut us out we can monetize it in a different way we can monetize it so the conversation the screener gets close to resolution cause it's like we got good content for the next stream I know it's got that content brain your very content brain is dead in what you would say listen y'all gotta did you bring up the unforgiven algorithm I'm really talking about the pig shit is that the only reason you brought up the unforgiven well so my point is just that that film it's making a lot of points in regards to how that scene is actually being do you like that film? I mean I feel like that film's really overrated it's one of my favorite film all the time which film unforgiven oh that's a masterpiece that's such a fucking good movie I don't it's not a bad movie I mean I just it's just horribly overrated it won I think it won best picture for I don't care what it won I don't remember but I was like oh wow well look it up it's not tell us tell us tell us what were the competitors I mean I feel like it was a giant year too it was like a lot of really good movies got made and unforgiven I was like I was 1993 wasn't it 1992 so it was unforgiven a few good men Howard's End and Sensible Woman those were the other ones I mean I've seen a couple of those I was caught in the hood did Crying Game beat it because Crying Game won too but I guess maybe won like unforgiven one best picture maybe it won a different category overrated huh overrated oh I mean unforgiven are you saying are you saying that the Academy Awards isn't it's like the be-all and end-all of selecting best movie of the year well I said it was overrated I didn't bring up I'm using I'm using the Academy Awards as the exact reason why I think it is overrated because I don't know it's a good movie but I don't think it's like best picture but you're saying one out over other films well yeah yeah I'd understand it if you had in stone like I never should have won best picture over and then suggested a film do you really think you shouldn't have won over any of those examples I don't really yeah I don't think so well I mean I all of those all of those movies I would say are overrated you think a few good men is better than not well that doesn't matter what you say it lost to the other movies that's a different point if you're suggesting that none of them should have won best picture because they're all overrated that one of them has to though yeah one of them is the best a few good men I think is better than yeah you're rocking I like a few good men a few good a few good men is better than yeah unforgiving I would say alright fair enough I mean it's I think a few good men is a little overrated too though so I mean it's I mean it's no it's no rubber so it's no fubber Adam I'm asking you right now what is the best film of all time what's your opinion best film I don't see I don't know that I could pick like a best I don't look at the world in that way Chad I think it's totally fair because I don't know what I mean I like the movie Your Highness a lot is that that's a good one how about the other guys you guys like the movie the other guys I like that movie quite a bit I mean that could be my favorite joke about was the aim for the bushes and there were no bushes the plot armor ran out look you gotta love it they stayed consistent right you look down you see no bushes and then they're dead so that's consistent that's totally consistent no bushes you're like looking down as they're going and you're like I remember we had when Will Ferrell's character explained very logically that the line going out of his way to eat the tuna gives the tuna a taste of and they develop apparatus made of kelp so they go on the land and hunt the lions to extinction the tuna exactly they don't have that in any in a few good men they don't have scenes like that it's not even close that is true yeah the unforgiven doesn't have the they don't do a desk pop in the unforgiven I don't remember once yeah they just shoot people yeah they have a saloon pop there's no male bonding come on there's no little river band I think there is male bonding in unforgiven I guess there is some but it's a little I don't know it's a little okay a little bit you kinda wonder you're like is this movie gonna go full break back mountain break back mountain oh broke back mountain past tense broke it's a good you know since you're an approved dancer you'd go with fight club alright fine break back mountain is what Jake fight club is good the best movie of all time is the rockets here I haven't seen a movie why don't we go through everybody's choices for best film of all time what we got yeah let's hear it we go right to left start with meme oh well we got we're talking best or favorites whatever you want best is hard to meditate on that for like a week alright fine we'll go with favorite okay favorite disease here it's a toss up like between Highlander and Terminator 2 it really is sometimes it sneaks in there depending on my mood but yeah there's a lot of good ones out there well alright that's fair enough Shad what about you well it's a tough one it would be if it's favorite it's a toss up really between a night's tale and Robin Hood Prince of Thieves wow a nice tale I love it like it's actually like this is the thing there are inaccuracies many evil things that people think I get hung up on but in terms of just the sheer lighthearted joy and fun of the film I love it fair enough well there's not a lot of like light happy medieval movies yeah they're often you know usually pretty miserable I mean Robin Hood I guess that's really lighthearted I really watched Prince of Thieves the other day it's narrated by a pop star probably good film Rags will be so this is favorite fellowship of the ring the safe choice I would like to give an honorable mention to the rescuers down under though all are just called you a fucking pussy oh yeah fucking pussy is exactly what I get when I tell them that the fellowship of the ring is my favorite movie oh I guess that makes the panties drunk make some drop like a ring in a river one of my one of my all time favorite I got to throw this out there as well the first how to train your dragon I love that film it's pretty cool it's top tier first how to train your dragon loved it it's good I think the first kung fu panda is better I think the first kung fu panda is better kung fu panda is amazing yeah that's a good movie I reckon there's deeper character work in how to train your dragon so the relationship particularly the relationship between pick up and his dad so I think I would agree I think that's what I would say about how to train your dragon is if we talk about pick up and his relationship with his dad and toothless I think that's pretty strong I don't know how much I would pull from everybody else though in terms of character work whereas I think I could pull more from tai long or tai yeah and tai gris and um shifu as well good point good point my counter then to try and give one more point to how to train your dragon I think the humor in it is more sophisticated and therefore enjoyable because it doesn't rely on some I mean the humor in kung fu panda is great but some of the humor in how to train your dragon just works really well and it's I would say that how to train your dragon is more restrained in terms of the humor that it's not trying as hard to be funny that's why it works for me I think it's something that works in the films favour I like the tone it's going for where it's trying to take itself a little bit more seriously I think kung fu panda is thematically very strong even if it's a really straightforward message I think it's a strong one I mean just that line how to train dragon look it's not what's on the outside it's what's on the inside that he can't stand about you thanks thanks oh it's great dragon has a great soundtrack though when the music kicked in I was actually surprised I'm like this is really good yeah it's a cool movie you have an honourable mention sitch outside of back club for favourites yeah Americans side go up there Shawshanks up there what do you think of 7 I like 7 but not anywhere near as much as other people do people really like 7 I'm like it's okay I really liked I was obsessed with snatch when I was younger that's a good movie I haven't seen it in a while yeah I love snatch at all my number one is prestige number 2 is t2, number 3 is aliens prestige is amazing not even overrated or anything prestige is underrated by a long shot I can't believe people don't love that movie that movie is freaking amazing and it's so cool that they I mean he carries the theme of you know I'm just going to tell it like it is all the way through and he basically does but you don't want to believe it so I mean the psychology of the movie is even better so yeah way underrated my it's hard to pick a number 1 I usually default to 7 Private Ryan, Hot Fuzz Terminator 2 and I throw in like Wally and the Incredibles would be up there as well those are all yes all fucking great all amazing all better than the forgiven well I forgive all better than the unforgiven see look I don't even I'm blocking it out I hate that movie so much my go to example for years has been Groundhog Day that's my favorite movie honorable mentions probably go to Whiplash and Dr. Strangelove those tend to be my Dr. Strangel and my butthole was already whiplash is a strong contender as well I adore that film simple like bear bones everything about it like on a film making just the cinematography music everything is just top notch that's like one of the best made films I think I've seen Whiplash is incredibly focused and yeah it has a great score the overture for that I think a lot of focus ends up on the music that is in the film like diegetically but I think the overture is awesome like the theme for that film not to mention like the subtle musical cues like when he's just practicing the drums you just get those little like it's almost like music and the shining it's like yeah it uses sound very well alrighty well my turn as much as you've been talking shit ton I guess you can go on a little bit more and tell us about your favorite movie let's hear it I was also going to pick Groundhog Day not even as a favorite I think it's one of the best movies ever made just love Rodney's awesome it's just brilliant everywhere I can go on that length about that one but um choose something else I guess I gotta stick with it we move me if any of you've heard of Red Line I really like that movie I saw that recently that's that that's that racing movie right like the animated racing it's all in 2D right exactly yep when you watch that movie like if you've not seen Red Line watch it like you will not believe that it's all in 2D so like 3D or animation like it looks totally impressive looks pretty good well um alright do we end up, you don't need to ask Adam right well I mean I already threw some out but I mean no one mentioned the matrix I think the first matrix is like pretty flawless but really cool movie I think Theo doesn't like that he thinks it's too easy and the fourth is like an abomination what do you mean what else would you pick the fourth matrix what do you mean what do I mean come on they took back the red pill it was awesome please please yeah what are the favorites you got Adam the matrix I mean everyone mentioned are like really good movies the prestige is pretty awesome just saying nobody mentioned Time Bandit so I really like Terry Gilliam I like the movie Time Bandits I think it's one of the few movies interesting what about Interstellar Interstellar I think Interstellar is good but I do think it's overrated there's a question we agree it's overrated wait is it Interstellar I mean if we want to talk about best robots Interstellar is definitely on the map better than better than Unforgiven obviously okay what about Tenet is Tenet better than Unforgiven Tenet Tenet is amazing yeah maybe we know tenet tenet I mean just Tenet is so cool but it's just like it's it fails a logically consistent I mean I know you guys aren't gonna like it because it's like inconsistent but still haven't seen it well we can like movies without them being consistent we just don't think they'll be good well I know movies that I really really love that are very flawed Tenet just I just I like the idea of Tenet and Tenet is a movie like I've watched it multiple times and yeah I really like Tenet Tenet is a movie I've watched it multiple times my problem is the whole idea thing comes down to them not like delivering on that idea that's like why I've got so many problems with that they set up like rules about how the inversion stuff works but when they start breaking all those rules then you're like what am I watching the movie for you can't deliver on it though but the whole idea is I mean it really is cool having scenes where some people are moving forward in the scene and some people are moving backward in the scene so I mean that is the just a filmmakers dream setup and I think you know obviously Nolan probably came up with that idea long before he started trying to work out a script where they could actually realize that thing but yeah it doesn't work you have to shut your brain and they even throw a scene in the beginning where they're basically like don't think about it too much there's so many scenes like there's so many lines where they're like hey don't think about it feel it it doesn't matter grandfather it's like thanks you don't like you can hear the dialogue in that film you don't like I use subtitles on the blue I use subtitles wait how did they know what was being said what's it what's your take on the cartridge what if they didn't I mean it explained the character choices in the movie okay because like in the cinema I came out going I don't know if that was a good or bad film or not because I couldn't fucking hear a single word they were saying so I can't determine if it's internally consistent or not and it doesn't help the movie so complicated oh yeah I didn't have any problem to sound I read a lot of people didn't like the sound thing but I mean I didn't see it in the movie theater maybe they worked the sound out when I saw it I didn't have an issue with the sound I mean it's definitely easier to hear like on headphones we don't want to think that we're overrated the law unique takes from Adam I look I said I love the prestige what more do you want you also said interstellar was better than that is a is that not I mean we're all allowed to have our oh so when you say stupid shit suddenly we're all allowed to have a pigeon when do you say that to vosh huh what is he allowed a pigeon well it's different with vosh vosh is like promoting communism which is obviously never worked I mean that's similar to saying interstellar was better than listen listen like in communism has led to billions of deaths okay like interstellar over the deaths of many brains excuse me hasn't killed anybody yet yes and then there was a dictator that rose up and what was his favorite movie the interstellar we really like interstellar when that dude okay then I would renounce him and he just stood there and then let himself get killed by the white instead of getting in the ship that inspired me to enter into politics almost killed watching that with him in the fabric of reality yeah let's go to cool soundtrack that's for sure absolutely very cool soundtrack look he is the guy in the bookcase come on ah yes because you can breathe in a black hole there is oxygen for it's weather that is suitable for human beings um and also you just knocked to the daddy have you never been to the 5th dimension before did they call I haven't been to the 5th dimension so I could just be talking out my arse here really lovely this time of year I don't think you're still correct clearly christened for dole and found a way to get there and wrote down everything he observed where do you think he shot the scenes what did you think he shot that's true talking to space talking about dedication to the craft going into a black hole I was impressed relatively it took hundreds of years to make that movie also we have mr. m here why don't you tell us what your favorite movie is also yeah let's hear my favorite movie yes my favorite movie is kung fu panda unequivocal oh wow it's okay it's okay I would put kung fu panda and the emperors new groove right up there that's an unconventional choice I love the emperors new groove emperors new groove is great I'll say yeah it's kind of an unconventable like does anybody not like that film it's like I don't know anybody who how could you not like that film it's hilarious dude it's only a matter of time before that gets a live action remake from this movie treasure planet oh treasure planet oh I love treasure planet they're gonna come for treasure planet they're gonna come they're gonna start taking the ones that are lesser known but like have a specific audience live action titan ai titan ai is one of brothers isn't it or might wait titan ai was titan ai was one of brothers wasn't it it might be you know what they're gonna do live action versions of all the tv series from the 90s that were based on the film so you're gonna get like the live action version of the emperors new school oh yeah no that's the worst one of brothers has shown a willingness to pillage the iron giant I wouldn't rule that out either as a possibility live action fritz the cat dude uh fast forward like 50 years where they pillage like everything eventually would be like oh no they're coming for dude where's my car they've never touched it it'll become clear how long this era of pillaging the animated films is when frozen gets its live action remake which will happen eventually or tank it they already tried to play with that in the live action tv series once upon a time right they did it well yeah cause that's ABC which disney owns so if you're right they're already dabbled in it but that is happening that'll definitely happen live action bracket Ralph well eventually they'll pillage Pixar right so we'll get live action toy story I wouldn't put it past the live action pretty sure they're already doing live action what about a live action small soldier do you think they'll ever do that hahahaha so anyway I have 10 minutes left to do this video just so we're clear um well uh you can see some of it some is everybody in the watch together I always have to I'm looking for it I don't know where it is oh wow useless that's where he posts the link for you now see what happened was I didn't want you talking ill of red litter media so I subverted the conversation for an hour you don't have to do it again we'll get back into it here we go I should get out of here it's like 4 20 I could stream any excuse to just run away I'll cover running away again again what does that even mean I don't know it just sounds good you've done it before and now you're doing it normally mall is the one that runs away from our stream I run to your stream that's where you do run in both directions I was bizarre that I like randomly get into a debate with amazing atheists thanks to randomly just being like hey guys won't come what did you debate about I missed that live I debated the amazing atheists on freedom of speech I was on the pro side hahahaha I need to look that one up it turned out to be a prize authoritarian but alright here we are it was you an actual justice warrior the weird adventure listen this way you always have to come on the sit show you never know what kind of weird the sit show huh yeah the sit show I'm sorry sit and add don't think this would happen on our stream is this what an insurrection looks like listen it's late I'm tired is that an excuse to forget running away again the third time slippery sitch lion's sitch oh that's bad I know lion's sitch doing a slip come on it's like 4 in the morning there what time is it where you guys are me it's off past 9am now oh 9am by the way I will be staring at that counter because 7pm is the finish line it's like we're on our way guys we're getting there it's 1.30am here I'll be surprised if you make it further stream with Nerdrodic tomorrow dude he was like talking about how he's totally agreed to come on to you I was like oh great then he was like yeah then we're doing the house of dragon right after it I was like hahahaha that's crazy at first I was like are we going to time it so I can maybe sleep for videos like no we can do it right after if you want I was like why do I want that yeah let's just talk about that do you like when they pulled the guys pants down to cut his balls off and he farted it was gross what is this that you're reviewing he farted yeah when they go to cut the guys balls off he farts and I was like what is this supposed to be funny it was in like the close up shots he made it why would they do that I swear it's the same fart sound effect they used in like the play in game of thrones season whatever that was no way like the comical fart sound effect I don't know if they were trying to make that moment like the willhelm fart slightly comedic or whatever because of that but it was such a weird choice I have no clue I'm going to have to rewatch that I feel like I've seen it twice he farted he's not making that up it's in there let's do it closely what the fuck this is supposed to be scary what's happening wait farts aren't scary to you I mean not compared to a guy getting his balls cut off wow farts are terrible alright chad sitch not scared by farts all of a sudden there you go alright look I don't want to keep you up late okay mister has to run away happy 200s happy 200s Molly and frags and frags that's me pro gamer they just call me frags pretty cool actually it's a good name I was about to say it's like grenade frags frags are a couple though they're shagging yeah you guys are a power couple frags that's great not bad anyway thanks for having me on I'm so happy that you guys made 200 even though we beat you to 200 but let's not contest I'm offended now as long as we're winning it's not a contest that's right goodbye at least we can agree on the name of our podcast oh what are you talking about come on why do you gotta say that it's so mean come on I hear you guys all the time say the Adam and sister it's kind of hilarious dude I was referencing how you guys are coming on I said it and then all of chat were like laughing I was like what's the name of the show okay don't be laughing the truth it was so funny when destiny was like you should call the Sitch and Adam show that was fucking great that is the name of the show dude he checked he was legit no way because he set his stream up as I'm going on the Adam and Sitch you must enjoy the fuck out of that that happens all the time everyone defaults to is it because of alphabetical plus the fact that it sounds better I think it's because I think it's because Lilo and Stitch is already in people's brains so Adam and Sitch is very close to that I think a couple there's a couple of duos that go two syllables one syllable right like that's the thing yeah Adam and Sitch whatever everyone everyone hates Adam doesn't have to fight for all of your rules Bonnie and Clyde it's not a rule it's the one that's more common speed tenancy Laurel and Hardy is two and two probably the only person who knows Hamish and Andy is Meme that's an obscure reference wow and Shaft of course yeah wait so I don't actually know anything about Hamish and Andy but I recognize it because of Simpsons I think don't they reference them Hamish and Andy is an Australian comedy radio duo well yeah but I recognize it so it must be from something oh because I've never seen Hamish and Andy but I remember what about Tim and Eric huh that's interesting Adam and Eve people also have in the brain which is pretty much in everyone's brain so well one interesting one is Simon and Garfunkel because that's two and three Adam and Eve Adam and Eve that's right Adam and Eve like Adam and Sitch right not Adam and Sitch Harold and Kuma Harold and Kuma oh someone in chat could be right am I thinking of Amos and Andy what's that I was about to say I associate that with Pulp Fiction the whole milkshakes Amos and Andy that might have been what you were thinking maybe oddly enough you have Tom and Jerry that's true there's some magic to it because loads of people default to Adam and Sitch it might just be your I did Adam just exerts more masculine chat energy it's great to hear yeah I'm not even doing a compliment you man it's just facts even though I like Tenet huh I can get past that it's good to know it's good to know people like I haven't seen Tenet so you haven't really it sounds like the kind of movie I hate because not only is it nonsense it's hard to understand that it's nonsense this came up we never got to the bottom of your hierarchy of like obviously you're saying consistency is at the top of the hierarchy but we never got to like number two or three or four so I am curious about that so when you say that you're asking like what do I want next in stories or what do I want to control what is most important to you like visuals versus story is a big like some people can just have visuals no story that's awful to me I don't know that I'm trying to because the thing is it almost implies do I value a character having an arc before I value an action scene before I value an adventure through many places before I value a really good choreographed fight like these are all I don't know how I would order any of this because the thing is like do I prefer the father over I don't know Lord the Rings who would be like how the fuck I don't I am not specifically go ahead to me I think the answer is dependent by genre and expectation and what the film is promising like because a Jackie Chan movie like well I would say like a Jackie Chan film that's specifically marketed as an action film I'm prioritizing good fighting good choreography as a pretty high expectation for me going in but I think it's more fundamental and it's almost like what do I want as a base play do I value like an action movie over a comedy over an adventure over a sci-fi over well with like a lot of them I don't necessarily want one over the other I just want to see good ones well the reason why it's interesting that you're you have this consistency thing is because like mostly in storytelling people put conflict above like as the core of storytelling above even above consistency it's like maybe how do you reach most people to find that what do you mean you said most people I mean well you're a storyteller too right Shad you've written stuff isn't like conflict the root of why people are even interested in watching something let me ask you a question what's the question is it what is the defining aspect of a story what do people want out of stories I mean maybe both I just like if we're going to go with defining I love this story because it's an easy one Bob wanted a pie he walked down to the shops he got a pie he walked home he ate the pie at the end I wouldn't even classify that as a story that's shit Shad how did you say that I would say it's out of crap as a story it's more like an account of an event what is your definition no no no because again it depends on for instance a novel by definition of say a novel especially if it's a trade pub that's a piece that's specifically made to be a type of entertainment and so therefore one of the categories that you know one of the categories that needs to have it is that needs to achieve being entertaining and yes that's sorry no but like there are books that are an accounting of events like history books are they a story according to you well they're narrative yeah they are a story yeah the events that happen the stories are true the story doesn't need to be fictional nonfiction a story is a story it's just an account of a sequence of events so for instance if I said so I went down to the shop and bought a pie and came home and ate the pie and I was very happy that's a story now of course this is made up I didn't go get a pie today for like if I did on a given day that's still a story it's just not you know not a very entertaining one that's it well and again you can write down that story in terms of elements because there literally is character motivation there like you wanted a pie and therefore you took an action to get a pie this is exactly why I brought up conflict because this story has no conflict I went to the store so I went to the store next door so I guess to bridge the gap exactly rags you're you're introducing conflict there you go I didn't make it it was always a story I didn't make it yeah to bridge the gap Adam I would agree that conflict is in most stories and conflict is like what people are there for generally but definitionally it's a sequence of events that doesn't need to be conflict I would just say what kind of what's a story that doesn't really what's a story that doesn't really have conflict like a story going to get a pie a movie how about a movie is there a movie that doesn't have movie recorded himself going to the store to get a pie try to think of all the worst movies you can think of multiverse like perhaps a short story in which it's just a lighthearted buddy story where two people getting along and there's jokes and stuff and it doesn't necessarily have a core conflict that can still be very enjoyable so I don't think it's an inherent essential part I think it frames a very large part of lots of stories maybe even most yeah there's a reason it's practically ubiquitous I agree that conflict is a major part of stories major to the extent that it is found in virtually like all stories virtually it is not a defining aspect of narrative a narrative is an account of sequence events that's it in the Captain America video that we were watching like the reason why you know it's not interesting if Captain America just destroys everybody is because then there is no conflict in the story the whole idea is that you want to if he's really good at doing it there would still be a conflict it's just an easily overcome conflict it's like Fringy went to go get the pie the store was closed so he went next door and got the pie it's virtually effortless change that he had to do but technically it's a conflict and that's the case of a lot of modern superhero movies as well as they just tear through enemies and they never struggle and we never see them strain themselves and it's boring basically if there's no conflict there's no stakes and that's why stakes I think is probably one of the essential storytelling components you say that in my fake story the stakes are is he going to get the pie yes there are he doesn't get that pie he'll be hungry can I get my steak pie as well let's call it a steak pie low stakes it's low stakes but there are stakes if I don't get my pie I'll be very sad but this is why all the Marvel movies want to make it the world or the universe or the multiverse because they want to increase the stakes we want a giant wager on the table here we don't want some piddly little pie on the table see I think the issue is speaking in absolutes I think in a lot of cases what you can say could be largely applied but I think you could write a story that perhaps has no stakes that could be very enjoyable a hypothetical say a story which an event is told this happens and then it goes back in time and you get to find out how the events play out to reach that and it technically has no stakes because you know what happens but you're interested and you're enjoying the story to see how it got there yeah it's a place of life anime I don't disagree with Frenge's or Mahler's definition of the story being a series of events what about my definition your definition rags I was just left out rags is definition you don't get a vote so I think what I would say is I enjoy it well I have a definition that's different than that but your definition fits my definition but I just in order to make it interesting I think you have to have stakes conflicts and all that kind of stuff the conversation about what makes for an interesting story is definitely worth having a story versus an interesting story I think we would all have to agree that the base upon which any claim could be made about what books like what stories are is that it is an account of a sequence of events if we agree on that then there's nothing we can expand upon like that's it I think a sequence of events I'd argue that a sequence of events is almost all needed for a story other than that you can almost extrapolate you can almost extrapolate out like stakes or conflict or any other thing but you need things to happen to have a story basically at base level well it does need to be an account to distinguish between actual events how could you have an account if one thing does not lead to another it's the difference between a map and a place like you have to have the account is the story the events are just the events so you're saying if there was a bit of prose that described the appearance of a city and not giving any process of events that could be a story that's a description of a yeah that's not a serious story but what about the wind balloon that's a story it's a thing doing something but that's all we would need then right all verbs are like it's necessarily temporal for things to happen that describes something happening in time yes the wind can't blow for no time yes so the fundamental thing for a story is an event needs to happen that takes place along some type of time frame well that's what a sequence of events is necessarily temporal and it has to be an account to distinguish it from the events themselves the wind blowing isn't a story it being described in some kind of an account a prose, a movie, a description a poem, anything like that that's the story that's the thing that's the thing that changes it from an event to a mechanism for telling basically pure curiosity I heard a couple of comments that went by with the pie example of the bringing going to buy his pie I think it may have been ER that was just like that shit out of curiosity alongside the you know that's not interesting if you had like just 100 different people across the world who found it really compelling because of maybe what happens in the story regarding you know it's just you get a good shot of Fringy's face as he's moving through the world going to get that pie and they interpret a lot from it they draw a lot out of it for what the I was about to say adventure but I meant that more in a way of the journey of this thing there's a lot going on let's just say that in a more wistful way and they said they found it way more interesting than that Star Wars crap where it's just a bunch of people flying around doing all kinds of bullshit like how do you deal with it that would be insane it's like people enjoying like a Captain Marvel or something like that you can't trust them I'm sorry Moly you did add new context to give an interpretation of that story being possibly better than the account you just gave well so I don't think it's unreasonable like if there was no additional context given this is the story I wake up I go to the shop I get a pie I come back home I eat at the end I presume from that description that we watch all of that happen and there's going to be angles and I assume we're going to learn stuff about the environment to me because that's adding that's now a different story to the one that I just shared if the story was literally what I just said fully that's a pretty crap story sorry so I was always envisioning a film every time because you're almost describing an audiobook well literally what I said if that was a good story as I described it that's a crap story I like there are a lot of things you could change about it to make people interested in it for instance it could be this amazing piece of unbelievable CGI where the character is doing like but the most seriously someone made a film like that and made a CGI that was truly indistinguishable for the first time utterly indistinguishable from live action that would blow people away it would be amazing it's achieving something vastly new in terms of technology and what we can do in film we've got a real example of that Luxo Junior what is the plot of that a lamp plays with a ball a lamp destroys the ball a lamp gets a new ball and is happy at the end that's Luxo Junior but it's way more than that but yeah so the way that it is presented can redefine and give an aspect that lots of people could enjoy in it and perhaps even say it has more cultural importance or enjoyment quality than other films okay so then is a story does it require an entertainment value then I don't think that's quite to me I think the layman the layman use of the concept of story is something to at least at the very least be interesting if not entertaining I totally agree I don't think just a series of events is enough to constitute a story what happens if you don't I don't think that's the definition of a story what is your definition I know that that's why I asked why you think that what some look it up whatever you tell me a dictionary says I won't care so don't even bother a story is not just a secret of events it's got to be a secret of events that entertain because that's something that you're telling somebody for a purpose so what I don't think Force Awakens is interesting it's not a story anymore it's a story it's a really shit one okay so it's a story we agree that interesting is not a necessity now so there are many stories that by definition and by their purpose are meant to be entertaining and you can judge it according to how well it achieves that so only one person has to find it interesting and now it's a story if that died no one so wait I'm curious what is the answer to that question because all I'm going to do because I assume you say like one person not enough I'm just going to keep cranking the number until it is so what how does it work no no no so what I'm saying here because this is a different thing to what necessarily EI is saying so I don't want to distract that okay yeah like if if a work is meant to be entertaining alright then that's a metric that you would be judging by that's part of its purpose and my context with this is that that's actually the primary thing to judge it by and this is where I have my own views on the consistency argument because there are cases in which you sacrifice consistency for the sake of entertaining for entertainment and if it makes it more entertaining it's actually a valid trade and that's from your own point of view right perfect example sound in space I think sound in space is unrealistic it's inconsistent according to the laws of physics but we add it to a lot of sci-fi films because it enhances the experience in some really important ways you okay with sound trans yeah so why can't we treat the sound effects in the same vein who's saying I'm not but also wouldn't be a flaw then right well yeah you aren't yeah yeah that you're sacrificing something about well no so it wouldn't be considered I assume you don't I'd assume you don't say the music is bad because there's no way in the world it could come from but we accept it because it's cool I'm assuming you're going to say well no that's not what we say about music it depends on what it achieves and how it's how it's executed if it's the words are because you agree that there are sometimes films that have soundtracks that utterly detract from the film and make it worse sorry just to refocus what I'm trying to get at is the why can't we treat what we would usually say when we go like when lord rings are playing take for example like witch king's theme when he's when he's arriving if I said where are the speakers where's this music coming from like you don't you know I assume you don't treat that as a valid observation now right what I'm suggesting is that in Star Wars until they show us a character reacting to the sound in space there's no reason for us to think there is sound in space in this universe and even then like it would it would be more if in one scene they were treating it as if there was literally no sound in space and then the next scene they can totally hear what's going on outside because that's the internal consistency thing right yeah what I'm suggesting is that we're receiving the sounds from the soundtrack if you will rather than the in-unit like when people speak that's coming from them but when we hear blaster sound in space that's coming from the tracking of the so you're trying to argue so you're trying to argue that the sound in space example might not necessarily be a valid example of where consistency can be sacrificed for another thing that can raise the quality of the film is your argument that there are no things that you could trade in terms of logical consistency in film for something else that could enhance the you know we've talked about it before right like when we had that big conversation with Mando it's like for me rags and Fringy we were like that just pulled us out of the content and then you were like no it's awesome I think it's really cool and it's fine to sacrifice a bit of consistency for a cool thing what I would conclude from that is that it comes down to the individual and therefore you know the rest right yeah but the thing is though this is where it goes on to the entertainment argument as well if one doesn't appeal to a small group of people but one change would appeal to a larger group of people and the purpose of the work is to be entertaining to the largest amount of people possible there's a pretty objective choice then isn't there um no well Shad surely you would agree that if I said I can make a Knight's Tale better if I inject a lot more whatever Marvel grab it and they're like yeah we need more dinosaurs we need more this we need more that and turns out it's gonna make more money if we do that but it's gonna be way less critically acclaimed and loved overall like I assume you'd say then I was not being made better like um if you remember Blade Runner was shat on when it came out if you had concluded like they must have made a mistake with that when everyone's hating it but yeah to me though like that's slightly dodging the thing because yeah I agree with you but there are examples instead of going for an example in which it's a one or the other there are examples in which you can sacrifice logical consistency for something that could appeal to both that it would achieve more money and be more entertaining and just be you know considered better as a result I like I think of a lot of you know fight scenes for instance there's a lot of inconsistency and a lot of say martial art fight scenes Jackie Chan fight scenes there's a lot of things that are unrealistic as well but for the purpose for an absolute kick ass fight scene especially to get like a move that totally blows you away you can push it I'm not saying you can always get away with it no matter what because there's a level where you can push it too far where it will take people out of it but if you can push it a little bit to just get that wow factor I think there's a fair trade that you could argue for I don't have one of you more complain about anything in the in the audio because now can be part of the soundtrack as Shad already highlighted you can complain about what's in the soundtrack I think that's fine I don't think Shad would complain about the soundtrack playing a sound that seems suitable for a blaster coming from a ship if it were in atmosphere just to satisfy us with the sound it's not if it's not coming from the universe you know this applies to the Lord of Rings trailer they had like a horrible fucking choice of music that doesn't match at all just because it's not coming from the universe doesn't mean we can't be critical of it I think that's totally fine because the problem I have before I can adopt and I'm not saying you guys are the same position whether it be R or Shad is that I find that even if a movie had a very very niche audience the point of one person liking it but let's make it a little bit more agreeable to you guys a thousand people out of everyone in the world loved it but everyone else thought it was shit would you guys be like well that's not good enough it's got to be more than that you got to make changes to make it more appealing as opposed to I would be like no this could be so niche it could appeal to the very specific experiences those people have and that would be more focused on whether or not the thing itself is coherent within itself as opposed to whether or not it's appealing to the entertainment values of the rest of the world no it doesn't have to be utilitarian utilitarian thing it's like someone just posted the definitions here and the discord and I think I'm I'm feeling pretty right about this what because it says told for entertainment yeah you know what we're going to say in response to that and I count a past events in someone's life or an evolution of something I would say what were the what you were trying to describe before just a sequence of events would be more like reporting or when Fringy sits my kids down and he's like I'm going to tell you a story but when I went to go for a pie I went down that street I got to the shop I opened that door I got that pie I came home and I ate that pie there we are and if the kids said that wasn't told for entertainment Fringy said I was trying to entertain I'm sorry if I failed but it was for entertainment I'm sorry is that going to be the question what are we to say about retelling an account of a sequence of events that you don't find entertaining is that a story? what do you mean by entertaining well so I guess to just focus in on that particular question you hear an account of a sequence of events and you don't find it entertaining what is it what is entertaining why do you keep I'm just trying to get specifically answers to that one I'm sorry to interrupt I'm going to get going go ahead Fringy please you add in some pie story where it was difficult for you to get that pie I think your children would be much more enthralled by that I got a pie here's your pie that's not my question is it a story that's my question is it a story I think the answer is obvious I'll do one easier I think there's chances by definition I think the clinical answer is yes but I watch your answer to my proposition before where I said the layman interpretation of what a story is is the casual use of the term story in language often refers to something that has a purpose is entertaining in some way or at least interesting I think this really comes down to intent though right if the story is told for entertainment told to not entertain Ellie Vicell wrote Knight which was about his events in the concentration camp I agree with you I'm trying to figure out their definition 100% agree with you Reg the story has nothing to do with entertainment because you can tell sounds like that would have had a lot of conflict involved in that kind of story which would provide not entertainment per se but it would be interesting by the way Meme was saying he had to go I heard you mate very well Mr. Meme thank you so much for joining us we wrapped up before you wake up maybe not, who knows I've got a commitment by some miracle of space later on I could theoretically pop back in but obviously there's probably not going to be much room as we're rotating through but yeah I just got a commitment thing it's been good to hang out with everyone yeah man I'll catch you around see you dude I find that interesting because if ringy was telling that pie story he promised me it was going to be really interesting and I held my attention all the way up to the end and I was disappointed would I not have been entertained by that definition well I was about to say by that definition if a story bores you then it's not a story that's what I mean I really like my definition I was going to say I do too if someone told the Lord of the Rings not because they wanted to entertain you but because they wanted to inform you from the original source to the films in a legal sense they are showing you these films you need to know that that doesn't make it not a story because they're showing it for reasons other than entertainment yeah of course so with your definition according to your interpretation what makes a good story coherency the argument that would be appealed to now I'm not sure I agree with that I would say a good story is one that achieves its purpose now I have a question would you actually what's a what's a bad story the matrix Chad do you think you would would you apply this specifically to stories in terms of achieving like their objective or arts horribly would you apply that to art in general I think I could I would need to think about it just to analysis I feel it good that I guess you would be judging the success of a piece of art whatever it may be based on how well it achieves the objectives of the creator yeah that's a big part of it so the thing is though there are cases in which death of the author comes in that concept where other people could find value in it or a purpose in it separate to what the author did and so this is why I would say that it's not there has to obviously be another side to it in addition to it but I think a good starting point very much is achieving its purpose I don't think the fact that you could say that there are other things that apply to it discounts that as a very significant part to it just real quick do you know the destiny argued against me that the reason the sequels are much better than the prequels is because the prequels failed their purpose while the sequels exceeded their purpose what the fuck I know right you can state it your purpose is starting to quantify that I've got a question let's say that somebody sets out to create an abstract painting like they want to specifically create something that would fit into the genre I've got an example painting lined up well so okay and so they go to make the abstract painting instead they create a hyper detailed like brilliantly rendered baroque painting and they look at it and go ah shit this isn't what I intended what is that piece of art is it good or is it bad well see this is an interesting point because there are other standards you can appeal to and so it goes back into my whole spaghetti standard you said it goes into my spaghetti bolognese you know thing about if the author sorry if the creator of that artwork wanted something abstract and then accidentally made something else that was still good by another standard it fails as an abstract thing according to the standard of what an abstract art is it's a piece of crap abstract art by that you know objective definition placed upon it then you could say it's a really good you know realism piece of art different standard you're applying to or sorry appealing to so if you could also say that you could then also make a judgment on the talent of the creator of that work based on them able to achieve what they set out to try and make and if they can never achieve what they're trying to make they're really bad at achieving that specific type of work if it's abstract art they're really bad abstract artists aren't they what if I said isn't a good piece of art not is it a good piece of baroque arts or abstract art is it a good piece of art what is the answer first let me hear what your answer is oh is my answer to is it a good piece of art yes if it's like an incredible painting I don't really care what the guy intended to make he's made something that's got a lot of merit even if it's not what he intended so how do you determine if it's good like is in just what standards you're using to determine so maybe art isn't the best example because if I went for a story it's like let's just create a mystery or maybe I wanted to create a fantasy film and then you just make a science fiction story where everything is rooted deeply in technology there's nothing that is beyond what we understand about reality and so you've created a great science you've created a great story but it's absolutely not what you intended to make if it's internally consistent it's like well you've succeeded at creating an internally consistent story that's the framework I'd use in my hands before we go too far I want to hear Shad's answer to Fringy's question I agree with that I don't see how it contradicts what I'm saying on that abstract art being a good piece of art what do you mean Fringy's question well it's a good piece of art without any genre at all just generally according to all standards if you can find any standard in which it qualifies or you know is to a level of quality then of course it's good according to that standard isn't it well that's not basically tautological it's of high quality because it meets the standards of having high quality and you can't appeal to standards that standards are opposite from one another why do you guys why so how do you square that away following this somewhere I would want to see all the different examples because this is something I'd want to think about more because there are already a lot of things that exist in terms of things that we gauge things against so with fiction or stories for instance there are lots of different types of stories and we gauge it according to the standards that already exist like is it a good love story is it a good action adventure is it a good this or that and sometimes it can be good according to multiple things but sometimes to achieve quality in one it would be have to absolutely be terrible in quality of another that doesn't contradict the fact that it can still be good well so when we say that it becomes terrible in quality to another let's say I write a science fiction story where all of the relationships are platonic it's like have I written a terrible romance story does that really follow as like a sort of statement sure why not yeah do you reckon it does like you've created a terrible romance story it's like there is no romance yeah well again it's just not the genre like so it's the distinction almost is mood it just doesn't make much of a difference yeah but alright good example She-Hulk is a terrible terrible superhero show you know why very little superhero elements in it at all people might say oh what are they trying to make are they trying to make an Ali McBeal or a show well it's actually still pretty bad in that regard even with you know intent or purpose that they're trying to make it for but we can apply standards that exist and one of the things that She-Hulk was meant to be was to be a type of superhero show but it's crap according to that you know standard that exists because it's the amount of superheroing done yeah like if the scenes are really good but there's only one superhero scene per episode which is what it stands as right now I think or let's just say one per two episodes would you still consider it bad maybe not I'd have to look at it depends on how let's use an easy example let's take the movie Joker and instead of the police capturing him in the TV studio Batman swoops in and grabs him and he's on screen for three seconds is that a good superhero movie where are you guys going with this yeah absolutely yeah I can help you out Joker is actually considered in the superhero genre by a lot of people just because of the fact that it's from a source that's superhero but I doubt you guys would say it's crap right why why do you guys keep going to like the one person thing like what's the logic we're using it to explain when you have the TLJ moment with the knife right with a stab ray in the back but they don't because it disappears everybody's responses and defenses of that or how it doesn't matter we shouldn't care about it it's irrelevant leave it alone why you nip it nobody says no that didn't happen because it did happen nobody can deny that that is what took place it is objectively the case meanwhile when someone says that scene was bad throne scene because I just fucking it's not entertaining at all the cartography is terrible then the guy next to me says what do you mean that was the most entertaining Star Wars scene I have ever seen and then I go okay fine well ten people over here say it's not and then that guy goes a hundred people over here say it is where we start to encounter an issue of are we just going to wait until we have the most people right activity is the thing that gets you to zero people and that's your point is humans are not rational enough I don't think to where that'll probably it's important that we can recognize like what is versus how we feel about it right but I'm just something interesting is external to the thing itself I completely agree with the objective measurement tool which I like and I mean I watch your videos like religiously I thought what you do is amazing I just as far as a story the goal is to hold human beings attention and really if you think about it you could even break that up is it necessarily human beings actually I don't agree but I wanted I don't actually because I don't agree with that there's someone else I wanted to talk about I'm happy for because I'm assuming your questions could eventually lead to like if it's entertaining nobody and how could it be considered good right well I mean the more attention it holds the better it is right and each person has a certain amount of attention to give and so the way to hold more attention is more people are interested in it so I mean that seems like a metric that you could look at just for clarification you said the more attention it holds the better it is well the goal of the story is to entertain and to just yes or no just for clarification what is it what's the question did you say that the more interesting a story is the better it is or the more attention it holds the more attention it holds alright so if the first each was made by one person and you never showed it to anyone else it would be worse than multiverse of madness yeah obviously so NCIS is the best show ever made then well I was about to say surely Transformers destroys this idea look look hang on though is that is that an honest you know rebuttal though because if something truly is good how likely is it that no one's gonna like it yes of course yes what the prestige is brilliant and as a result people do like it more people are gonna see it it was perma chest and buried in the ocean and it never was seen by anyone except the people who made it it's unknown to the rest of humanity so is it better than multiverse of madness it's not even you're not even capable we're not even capable of rating it oh that's kind of our point you can rate it without looking at audience reactions yeah okay let's say that you are one of the people who made it so hold on the whole point of your your way of looking at movies is to rate it without any audience feedback or intervention I get that and really the only criteria you can judge it on is logical consistency because of the getting you down to like the objective measure where you're talking about you know zero people versus whoever I get all that I just feel like we should be past the argument out of popularity you know no no because go back on what you're saying rags if the prestige was buried you know in a thing and no one ever saw it right how could you determine if it's good or not is your rebuttal the answer is is because it's good no it's definitely a bad rebuttal you could you could determine that it's logically coherent or consistent but you couldn't tell how much attention it would hold yeah sure but that would be the point right how much attention it hold isn't a part of our criteria for what would I understand that yes but also its capacity to be out of grab attention because it's written so well is going to be a part of it isn't I mean if you were a time traveler and it took a movie and you showed 10 different groups of people the same movie from different 10 different time periods the movies quality would never change it would be the exact same movie by the logic would be different based on 10 different groups and Chad with what you just said about how like surely how well written it is is indicative of how much attention it'll hold what that sounds like to make a comparison is you don't like any of the burgers McDonald's are selling and you check them you're like what why don't you like them and you go don't like tomato sauce it's like also it's got it's nothing to do really with the specifically the tomato sauce because like why are we even talking about attention if you've built that assumption on top of how good the writing is which is built on top of I assume how consistent it is that's that's my problem with the attention or entertainment like caveat being added is it's kind of arbitrary because like entertainment or attention aren't necessarily going to be contingent on the writing or the actual filmmaking because that can be super subjective so many different people can just have their own reactions again transformers like it those movies like absolutely like vibe with people they watch it it holds their attention because like they make money but like again it's it's for reasons they're clearly outside of the filmmaking because when you look into the filmmaking it's not particularly good so it's who you're looking the problem that you're having is there's like a divergent between like a movie that holds a bunch of attention but it's just dog shit is that the difficulty yeah because there there's just so many anomalies there's so many examples you can use and there's so many examples on the opposite that are well written but did not get any attention like we're just I wouldn't make a quarrel yeah I just like like if you showed that movie you took the time traveler right and he showed the movie to the 10 ancient Egyptians and they're just thrilled at it because there's magic moving pictures the film doesn't become amazing because everyone you show it to is incredibly entertained by it right it just means that hang on hang on no no no depending on what standard you're using and I think absolutely if you had a completely different standard no no no the ancient Egyptians like yeah for instance the Iliad right is that as entertaining for most modern people as Lord of the Rings probably not probably not doesn't change how good it is well I mean good is subjective right you can't say that your criteria is how logical consistent it is all right I feel like we're gonna have to call it add to this yeah we just go to the other extreme that was good what Adam just said that was the signal that we have just completed a full circle there's no need to go around again yeah I think genuinely like no seriously to try and make some kind of conclusion here is like I think all of us typically with using however we've judged our standards however we've concluded them we come to very similar results but we often still disagree like I'm pretty sure like you know ER Shad and myself probably all have a different opinion on no way home for example I think what now no way home I don't even know if you've seen it going home that's the wrong way through sprimers yeah we would probably I think and that's totally totally fine the reason why we get along I think is because we have similar criteria is the crossover and stuff but like this is the people often I think baffled by the EFAP standard because they're just like you've told me how to make it make sense not how to make it fun or interesting and might like genuine response to that is like I know you know we often do that actually I like the EFAP standard it's like it's cool so well this is the thing the wholly consistent standard right that you know same with Adam I love I think it's really important because for something to be fun you need it to be consistent right pay off absolutely but the thing is though I think like for me as a writer my intent when I'm going to write a novel is to write a really entertaining engaging novel not to write the most consistent story but I know consistency is going to be so damn crucial to achieve that but I also know in other areas there's going to be some times where I'm going might push the consistent even contradicted where if I can say to the best of my judgment that it's going to make it a more enjoyable story if a question you could pose us for example would be what would you guys do in a universe where every movie made complete sense but we still had this level of disparity in terms of how much everyone's enjoying all these different things like what is EFAP at that point is it just defunct I'd be like oh what we would do then we would just move on to talking about tendencies basically like we take let's call it Aliens and T2 which one is more which one's better let's pretend for a second that they both make 100% sense they still exist as they are so what do you do with that and then we would probably talk for a while about what they're doing what it's appealing to, why people get endeared to it and then if someone were a guest let's say an aspiring writer and they're like yeah but guys what should I write then should I write a sci-fi about like kind of like Aliens or should I write my sci-fi kind of like T2 and we'd be like well I mean the different choices they have similar wider appeals I think T2 probably has the larger appeal this is the thing we would have all these kinds of conversations and I just I think we'd come up with way less definitive answers we just come up with recommendations for example should the villain kill the hero in the end should the hero kill the villain in the end should they both like kill each other or should neither of them die and should the heroes spare him which is the best ending I'd be like okay sorry from that perspective here's the thing right I actually feel there are definitive answers but they're very hard to find and the more talented the writer the more they'll be able to figure out what are the best options in those I don't necessarily disagree like if that aspiring writer said which one of those will appeal the most let's just pretend for the sake of the argument that we concluded it's the villain being killed by the hero or spared even let's just say it's one of those too if the guy said I really want to write it so that both and kill each other it works with this theme I'm running with all this and if he was to then accept like I know it'll have lesser appeal I think it's a choice I really want to make like I wouldn't then tell him he's making the wrong choice I'd be like alright as long as you recognize it's funny you bring that up that's literally the one of the questions I had with my own novel how it ends I could have gone one of two extremes and I don't want to give spoilers but that was a really fun thing to consider because I did need to try and consider what would be most appealing what would be most satisfying from almost poetic sense in terms of the arc of the story what would satisfy me the most and then lastly this is an interesting one that I did consider what would give highest chances of financial success in the story as well because one of those decisions limited that last option quite significantly and those are all ones to consider and it depends on therefore what is my purpose what do I want to achieve out of the story and depending on what I choose to value most then that's how I would gauge it all I would say the purpose of the framework to me personally is I want to have something that I can rely on consistently that I don't run into areas that are incredibly murky for which finding the answer becomes difficult to impossible and I think that that happens more frequently if the definition of like good in any way shape or form is tethered to what most people like or what is generally worked it seems like it's if I can build a framework that's a little bit I guess more all-encompassing perhaps less guiding in terms of what subject matter to explore in a story or what themes would be worthwhile like if you can just have something that is just as long as you make it make sense whatever idea that you arrive upon whatever idea inspires you or interests you you can make it work as long as you adhere to this relatively straightforward rule set which is you know how does everything connect together in the story and does it all follow we'll see again when you say you can make it work if you adhere to that I don't necessarily agree yeah that shouldn't be the only guidelines to try and make a story work I never said it was the only guideline well it sounded like that that was a prime yeah coherency is great at all but and there's got to be a sense of intrigue and containment as well can't have those things like coherency yes you can well you can coherency absolutely elevates those things you can have entertainment without it because entertainment is subjective comedy is a great example there are great comedies that purposefully consistency to great effect that's why I said entertaining doesn't need coherency oh did you change it because you said that yeah I said it originally maybe I said something else because entertaining is super subjective and it's not part of the material itself which is why many of the dog shit videos that we have are extremely popular and everyone loves them and they're extremely entertaining to most of the people who watch them but they're still terrible they don't classify things into general trends that audiences would find entertaining and that you could use those as frameworks frameworks to what, to entertain to entertain the people who like those types of works you can use general trends of what's entertaining to entertain people yes like I said hero killing villain that's what I'm saying those are the types of framework and guidelines that you can work with in a story that's appealing to consistency to try and write a successful story that people who you're trying to appease a successful story I like epic fantasy and so I'm going to work with the trends and what this audience of people like most and also what I like because I'm one of the members of those audiences to make a story that satisfies that those types of people do you think that there's a meaningful difference between trends being prescriptive or descriptive what do you mean elaborate do you think that a trend you should do something because it's a trend or trends emerge from things that tend to be common isn't it both it depends on you if you're following a trend because it's a trend you're specifically doing one of those things but then it could be both depending on which way you're approaching it but then before you go up on this random circle unfortunately my schedule and yours did not work out particularly well this year so I'm going to have to run I told you I had a very short amount of time I'm sorry but thank you hey 200 man that's fucking incredible absolute rock stars we'll grab you back for something, especially a game yeah we'll hang on Here it didn't work out, you know. Hey, well, it it kind of worked in the sense that a lot of people didn't Here for it. Yeah, you missed it. It is what it is. I love you guys. You've done such a wonderful job. I can't wait Yeah, we'll be here All right, man Now that we figure out how storytelling works I think we've talked in enough circles at this point. Can we gaze at the beautiful mug of Rich Evans now? We can I'm totally on board If you guys insist, I could talk about this one forever Maybe one of my favorite subjects. You should do that sometime, Shad. We'll have a 10 hour thing Just me and you. All right. You got to keep it to the one People can trap each other in their question vortexes The thing that's frustrating for me is like we're not even really getting into like the meat of what holds people's attention We watch the other video you literally Look just one last thing you literally said you're like this the situation this is why this situation is interesting, right? Because you know Tony Stark's dad was a friend of Captain America. So there's like this this thing going on here That's that's dynamic and interesting that holds your attention. Why? Why is that dynamic and interesting? So anyway Yeah, let's move on I would love to have that conversation to you. You see I mean geez Like this is I feel like we're talking about like the spelling aspect of writing when we could be talking about like the real meat of like How do we we're we're literally in a business where we're monetizing? It's like spelling because you need to be having like spell It's essential it is totally essential and I agree with you. I agree with everything you're saying and like We're gonna we're gonna move on Shad we can you you're well Shad you're welcome to come on our show sometime If you want to talk about this we can go around. I would love that. I would love that. So why haven't you invited me? Well, I I'm inviting you now. I just did I'll reach out let's let's see in one another and work it out. Yeah Up to what's going on with this wet slap here People in chat whatever your DIY you said that What's why are you what's this wet slap you're giving it's not even wet slap read it properly. It's wet wet slamp Yeah, what's a slamp? You don't know what a slamp is Speaking of spelling you Captain America are you ignorant on everything? Together I figured that was obvious man So what that makes sense with the wet now I totally get it. Yeah, okay? All righty then But I'll say because you guys liked the other episodes more than I did because you were paid by Disney clearly That was a real thing people were saying because people are idiots You'll find them they're out there I think people probably did likely say that but hyperbolically as in we're so disappointed with you you probably But you know the like people have done that with us we got that when Like what was it? I think it might have been Something to do with Disney no way home. Oh, it could have been no way home That's mainly financed and distributed by Sony. I think people see MCU and they assume Disney which isn't like crazy I mean well like in old fairness. I thought you guys were paid up by Disney as well Just disappointed. Yeah hard to believe the check bounced. Yeah Cheap bastards No, all right, it is with the CGI budget. There wasn't much left. Damn it Okay. Yes. Yes, that was clearly a video sponsored by Disney these last two episodes We're pretty decent Vader those Retard in these episodes. Yeah, but he's entertaining a lot of people Cheap shot across the bow. What do you mean? Oh, right, right? Specifically Because they should know people who are really into movies and you talk about them all the time and review them I'm like odd hurts to hear red-letter media talk about how good these episodes were when they're so bad It's demoralizing a little bit, but you're like, yeah, I don't know. Ain't nothing new they praised Whatever did the Force Awakens? highly, I don't know if they still Praise it. I don't know I think In the rise of Skywalker review I think Jay specifically said like the worst thing to happen in cinema in the last decade was the success of the Force Awakens or Something like that something similar That could mean a couple things Especially from his perspective He might say it is a good film but it created clones or a model that ever wanted to copy You know, I don't know exactly what because you were right bring about the whole like they would never concede That the sequels are worse than the prequels I don't think because it's I would at this point argue it's like they they staked a lot of their positions on stock Yeah, of course worst content that destroyed everything. Yeah I missed that what rags said What the Jake quote? No, it's not about entertainment. I missed it. I guess I found Vader entertaining It's like the best like really good Vader content the last two episodes a lot of people did yeah A lot of people did a lot of people found it entertaining That would make it training for them definitionally though, wouldn't it? Yeah, tautologically. Yes, that is true. If you were to phrase it that way that would be correct. Yes So do you consider it entertaining then? to No No, I don't consider it entertaining So then it then it would be impossible for anyone to find it entertaining to be to be people clearly find it entertaining I was entertaining in some way shot. I might say that I'm It is objectively not entertaining no one would be able to find it entertaining if it was objectively not entertaining that Subjects My point is there's obviously a scale, okay, it is entertaining to at least some level it must we agree that it is Some level to many people. Okay, wonderful. I was never in doubt Well, because I was just gonna say that I think I might be comfortable in saying I found this part entertaining But I was more so laughing at it. Um, I found it entertaining watching it with you guys. I Okay, wait when he says flume word when he says so you've come here to kill me. I think all of us were entertained by that line In the wrong way though, right? Oh, absolutely not for their It held your attention though, right it certainly did I say so also we got two new folk who have just joined us that Star Wars girl Anna and Glutus Glutus Why did you you said you had watched Kenobi why? Um, I was told to because it would be funny and it was I had a lot of fun watching it because it's so There you go. All right. Um, I don't I've done this throughout I have no idea who's not one who has met anybody So I'm just sort of like playing and just like gonna say hi to each other Hi, I'm all Everybody hello, I glide us You're I know you from Twitter. Hi rags. I did you Hey, hey, sitch. Hi chat. You're Roddick. Oh, he's gone Here's the the link to the wash together we're currently listening to red letter media's opinions on Kenobi. It's really okay I Was trying to exaggerate When I said bad when I said bad what I really meant was it's awesome. Yes Completely how's the consistency hold up? That's what I that's what I really consistent with our first video so far I was actually gonna say yeah, if anything they said they enjoyed the next two episodes more than the first four they reviewed That hurts well, yeah, Anna all you've missed so far as they said this is some really great Vader content in episodes 5 and 6 I Assume you agree Hmm You just got here. You can't be sleeping yet Sleeping I'm trying to I don't know it's coming through weird for my speakers. No, he's well. She just talks like that. Hey Oh, yeah, will you sound weird? I know I know now it's just coming Don't have us come through your speaker fix it fix it fix it fix it fix it Madness, yeah, switch the headphones may have Madness go on a little cog discord and then you go into your second discord like what do you want? What are you? I always have problems with this board so oh Sure blame discord. Yeah, the only time I have problems streaming everything else works fine The bane of my existence Well, maybe disco feels that way about you that everything's fine for everybody except that Anna Everything's working out for all these people but Anna joins and suddenly it all holds about I know Bad women Well, I mean, yeah, maybe you have a like a boyfriend that could help you out or Oh 30 in the morning so boyfriend cannot help right now damn It's 2 30 a.m. It's girl time Have you looked in the settings? Are you going to look? No, no, I did I did it's just it just always comes through weird from discord So I can kind of hear you. Oh, it sounds good to me. Oh, I guess you know Yeah, they're voice and video output settings and you hear the watch together You know what maybe I'll just You know just use your settings and change your output to not be your speakers and have it be whatever like you're wearing on your ears. Yeah Well, I don't have Go you've got some kind of device that inputs sound into your ears Wait, you're not saying that you always have sound coming through the speakers, right? No, you have like headphones or earbuds or something I Have an iPhone and this needs an auxiliary thing Well, yeah, but it came with what are you normal? How do you live? You do not have a device that puts sound into your ears. You really don't and not for the computer anymore Wait, so when when you're on the computer anymore when you're under the stream a lot of people don't the sound always come through your speakers Can't be true From you guys when like like simcast for example, do you? Would is where's the sound coming into you is it from the speakers or is it from someone else? It's from my roadcaster Can you do that now you do that I do I'd set on that now Wait, oh, so is it are we saying are you suggesting it's fixed? Well, no, it's been that way. So I don't know what the problem is like you guys shouldn't be able to hear it when you play it Well, it's coming through your microphone It's coming through my microphone We do a sound check play this Grand Canyon oh, yeah, I can hear that's weird my microphone muted so you guys shouldn't be able to hear that What is what I mean go to your input? What's your input device go to go to your settings video voice and video It has your input device in your output device Okay, my end is my microphone, which is my my roadcaster and then the output is speakers All right, do you have any other output device? Mmm any other option Here I just set it directly to my speakers, but do you have any other option now? Headphones, right You know I have Bluetooth one somewhere I will try to go find them. I will be right back. It might be necessary. It might be Well, I mean, you know, I don't like to say it, but I'll stay if you're gonna echo the whole video, obviously Pretty decent that was a pretty exciting fight scene The well the the last episode fight But even before that when he's fighting Riva and he's putting in like no effort because he doesn't have to yeah He doesn't have to because she does all those weird Dark Souls roles for the reason I know all the fight scenes are garbage. I have a fight scene or topsy I did on my channel breaking all the fight scenes down in the series Which fight seemed specifically did they say was pretty decent though Let's say in both the final fight with Vader and Kenobi and the fight with Riva and Vader So the final fight doesn't have complete crap. There actually is the Occasional complex bit of choreography that's half decent, but most of its crap the Riva one was Pretty dog crap all over. He disarms her by kicking her in the shin One of the things beyond the choreography that's bad is the camerawork, dude Like all of it is like hand-held and just shaken around It looks so it's so Uncoordinated and like not purposeful like the the prequels like see what you all about the choreography But at least like they shot those like Clearly and like The choreography in the prequels is top tier. Oh Yeah, you're you're revenge of the sip right down. Yeah. Yeah, I I needed your soul when I was in my colon Come on Cuz yeah, and I think at one point there was like a hint of the idea of like as we don't just judge fights by Choreography with it's like entertainment or emotional value. I think was what was said There's no emotional value in the fights and the prequels at all according to some people You're free to have that perspective, but I think that you should reconsider Wait, I should reconsider no like to those people who don't find it all right emotionally, you know in any way kind of You got to feel something when Obi-Wan screams and runs after Maul like you got to feel something, right? I mean the fight between Obi-Wan Anakin and Count Dooku instead of revenge of the Sith dude When like Obi-Wan gets taken out of the fight and then Anakin ends up killing him at the end Like there's there's a bunch of stuff going on that fight same. So Oscar no, but you disappoint me Fucking great Gone but not forgotten And he's just kind of like standing there. He's like you're not gonna do anything to me I was like, okay, that feels kind of like Vader. This felt just like a sequel Very minor part of that fight scene there was a lot of other fight scenes where they actually exchange bows Which is crap if it's just gauging. Oh, you know, it's yeah because he's Force in a way that I guess makes sense against a far inferior opponent I suppose Do you remember when beta got tricked because they got out if they're in their little extra spaceship behind the other space What the fuck was that? Such a bizarre moment like eight and switch just to like temporarily change the stakes Mickey go And then it's like, oh, no, they're okay. It's like, oh, okay, cool Well to revenge of the Sith like the next film well, that's that's kind of the problem with it It's weird sort of a sequel to revenge of the Sith. It's sort of a prequel to a new hope Which means no one can really do a whole lot Yeah, you could do a Yeah, you just have to keep it very low-key can't have a hell of a lot If you're trying to explain this as like if there was a huge political strife and battle in a very very minor part of Tatooine in relation to some Tuskens versus something You know like there's cultural upheavals and block it if you consider that to be well No, that's a minor thing that no one cares about you you require like a planet exploding for it to be considered a big change Okay, I guess you're right But that's we can have huge important and amazing and interesting things happen that don't fuck with the continuity of episode 3 or 4 I mean in episode 4 It's just like one line where they say that they put dissolve the Imperial Senate, which I mean, yeah You got loads to play with that's like that's a seasons worth of content the takeover of a Senate by an Empire I mean, that's like who knows what that would entail. That's a whole Can of worms that you can open up if you want to please don't touch it though I said why are you covering this again pain? It's like this is new covering it again Feel bad to tell them that like this that you chat you're not ready Legit when I was when I was collecting these clips I was in a call with ring I had to play him some of the things they were saying because I couldn't fucking believe it I'd seen this video before this and I was like, I don't remember. I blocked this out of my memory I couldn't believe it's so fucking bad, but we'll get there and I kind of It is Surrealia Which means no one can really do oh, no I was gonna say it's pretty clean to the point where it feels like It's direct seems like a virtual yeah, it's going through to discord. Yeah, this is not coming through speakers Okay, try playing it again Lot lot and I kind of like No, yeah, but what I want you to go to your output devices and tell me all of the options that you have starting at the top shot it Leave the watch together watch together. Hi. Hi Damn it. No, I can't hear anything I Sometimes when people join the watch together the watch together has a microphone feature and they try to use it and discord microphone at the same time So she leaves the watch together and we can play the watch together And there's no echo but she's still in the call. We'll be able to see if that's going on But then we won't be watching together Yeah, but we'll at least we'll have identified the problem Nash's left. Well, okay, maybe she's trying to log out. She's still in the wash Which means no one can really do a whole lot Okay, that's gotta be in the call and out of the watch together. So Shall we continue I guess we'll continue I guess Okay Sort of a sequel to revenge of the Sith it's sort of a prequel to a new hope Hey, we heard no one can really do a whole lot And I kind of like the little drama with Obi-Wan at the end of this where it's like oh that final fight with Vader Like cuz you know that they're both gonna get away, right? You know that they're both gonna get away Which goes against everything that it was set up with their their own story It'll be like Obi-Wan literally says if he dies or I do it in today And then he just willingly allows Vader to live and he leaves Which uh when when they imply the only reason he wouldn't kill him was if he thought Anakin was still in there But he gets convinced he's not and then spares him You don't see more but it's because he he's grown. He sees that killing him is not the way Oh, so why does he send in a new hope desperately convince Luke to kill his dad? What's that about it's thematic he he's gotten over it now He's now he sees him as Darth. He doesn't see him as Anakin anymore season is dark He doesn't kill people yeah, yeah, remember how he left him burning alive Recurring pattern now of him just leaving him for dead brother than just killing And Kenobi he just left yeah It would have been funny I think I think it was a fair assumption from Obi-Wan that Anakin is gonna die Is panning up, you know away to all his limbs wrong. He's just like fucking again seriously Oh Man you're a twat So it's just sort of like oh Darth Vader slash Anakin is kind of absolving Obi-Wan of his guilt you Didn't kill Anakin Skywalker and so much better is facilitated by why gone not Well, it's exactly what I just said the thematic thing. They're like they're like hey sees getting over his trauma It's like yeah, I know but again the story They'd use this story rather than any other story they could have told Is it's all back loaded Also, what Vader does here is not an act of compassion absorbing Obi-Wan of his guilt He's doing it to taunt him to say you know Anakin's dead and I killed him suffer like So I feel they're misinterpreting And on that point Everything is telling us from everything we've understood about Kenobi's intentions and his values and same for the that it's like Oh, so you're gonna kill him now. You're definitely killing him. Yeah. Yeah, he just walks off. No, no Hello, I Couldn't believe he did that so so many deaths are now on Obi-Wan's hands because he willingly let Darth Vader live I don't understand it. I don't know what they were thinking in the show because they didn't provide us anything other than I guess what The interpretation of he's he wouldn't he's better than that question mark Well, and again, you could have developed that because at the end of revenge of the Sith He's like you've got that entire exchange between him and Anakin where he's like you were my brother And it's like emotional and by the time you get to return to the Jedi He's like he's more machine now than man. So it's like there there was clearly a gap There was clearly some like evolution in his thought process You just need to explore that and you could have but they just They just don't like at the moment that it matters the most he doesn't do anything. So there's basically two conversations in this show Where we really get to talk about in any way like like he learns to get over his grief and they're very short in Shallow. Yeah, it's it's a show that has for for six episodes. They're six, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's for the six episodes They're really not full of a lot. There's a lot of meandering and wandering around without really accomplishing much These are not I mean like the good example I use Chernobyl is five episodes and It's just full of stuff and so many characters and conversations and events and causes and effects But this Kenobi show was six episodes and so little seems to be accomplished with it Well, yeah, yeah, it's because what he remember already said earlier He's like nothing was happening in the first four and it's like it's it's not Literally things are happening, but no substances here. We get like Obi-Wan's really sad and he can't use the force We were all just baffled by that but we kind of went along with it And it's like what pulls him out of it fucking Tala telling him about how it's alright. You'd be right right Redemption sacrifice Don't be sad just a shit and there's all these like everyone's review of Obi-Wan Kenobi involves the Whole like where was where was Qui-Gon? Why didn't you show up on the ship? Why didn't you show up when he's covered in bricks? Why don't you rocked? Why didn't you show up earlier? It's like why did you just throw it up to say literally? Hello, you literally just jangled him and you didn't have to just leave me since clearly there He clearly could have delivered any lines you want Who's the most meaningful fucking goal of the story the Kenobi and you made his biggest inspiration layer and Tala Okay Interesting very satisfying That's a little character thing In what way is that a character thing just so we're on the same page When you say that I would like to make sure that I'm knowing what you're mean I think I agree with him. It is a character thing. It is a character thing It's a thing with a character We agree with you to a degree Yeah, I'm 100% with him. This is a character. It's a little character thing. Can we call it a re-enactment? Yeah, I think at this point I pause him as if he'd said something wrong, but really he said so Let's make sure let's make sure Adam. Um, is this a character thing? What what's a character thing? I like the way that you said nothing was happening that like things were just meandering along like Kenobi's out What is what's Kenobi's goal in this thing I've never seen Kenobi. Okay, I never saw this series. So I don't know what you guys are talking about I'm looking up a plot summary, but wait, I mean, I remember you're the watch together on you Yeah, I'm listening to him, but I mean he's I understand, you know Yeah Well, he said it was a character thing and we're the rest of us are in agreement in the conversation We all had but we were curious of you also thought that when Vader said those things if that was a character thing I Don't know why Vader said those that shit. I don't know the context So You're not sure you're correct a thing. Well, no, I feel bad right now. I just tried to do a Forward I really wanted to just get his opinion just to make sure we're all in agreement that the vape the vape It was a character thing that Vader did First of all, that's totally stupid like what what's the goal of the scene like what's going on in that scene? Trying to have a little character thing. Yeah, like And they do things like Adam surely you agree it's a character thing I think that's really stupid. Yeah Okay, look, well, I'll say Adam J. Bowman have the debate was that a character thing or not I don't Have I want to show Shad the context. All right, Shad, you ready? Okay. Okay. Here we go. I Did it's a little character thing. I did I did what did he do? Shad do you agree that that was a character thing? Yes, I do Thank you I feel like that cinches it all right Okay What is just What okay good Shad, I mean, I don't what is the character I apologize for including me Okay, the character thing is I think a simplistic way of describing that you know Darth Vader is taunting Obi-Wan and smiled And it was a reflection of a character trait and then okay Okay, and it's a wonderful scene overall 10 out of 10 that watch it again, right? He's he's ribbing him He's like fucking with him. Yeah, if we can remove all Text from everything that's just happened and just get the subtext of literally the discord call Jay is claiming that this is a decent moment of characterization for both Anakin and Obi-Wan because it's consistent with his character Yeah, I don't I don't know that you was gonna Basically the idea is that Jay's pointing out character things are happening and we're like, oh, that's true But they're nonsense. So like You know, we wouldn't we wouldn't want to praise it just on the fact that characters, right? Yeah, I agree I completely agree Excellent the fact that just character shit is happening me is meaningless to me I mean, I want act that's why I keep asking you. What is this fucking goal? Like what is he funny enough Adam if we were to tell you what his goal was in that scene It's only gonna make it more confusing. It was to kill Vader It's so many okay, but he's so why didn't he yeah Just tell me for the whole six episodes is his goal to kill Vader Yeah, especially considered he went there to kill Vader. It's so he basically just doesn't achieve his goals with the whole thing It's like completely pointless. He doesn't know Vader's alive for the first few episodes But in this episode, absolutely, so he doesn't even have a goal for the first few episodes Little little child We want to cut some meat. He does that Yeah First episode is like He gets all old testament up in here and then he goes down and he doesn't succeed in his goal to give a toy to Luke he fails at that goal Well, why why does he why does he like not kill him when he has the opportunity, you know, it's such a good. Oh god. Here we go You're a lot quieter which is actually good because it implies something has changed. Yes, that's good Definitely good quite quiet. It literally sounds like Obi-Wan show I don't hear an echo But our mics quieter so something changed that's exciting. Yeah, well, yeah, let's find out what's about to happen Exciting that it's quiet. It's more than it's like there is just something is changed Yes Maneuvers, okay, let's see play it. Oh god. Here we go Finally when you get to that final episode Christmas miracle miracle We did it. Alrighty everybody. Let's actually respond to this series of statements and I did a character thing Obi-Wan show is about the character of Obi-Wan Finally when you get to that final episode. Yes, and I like that aspect of it because it Do you I mean like it? I'm not even gonna say he's necessarily wrong about anything You just said but it sounds like the pit the praise the bar of praise is that it's doing something You're grasping it's like, you know It's about Obi-Wan. Yes, but the actual what the show achieves in terms of his character progression is to abandon The most important mission that he came that's tattooing to have and For the most stupid reason saying he'll be fine on his own when everything in this series Establishes that Luke is really in danger for where he is and he needs more protection now than ever and Obi-Wan decides He'll be fine. I can leave now Yeah, he betrays his Mission and just ah it's awful on so many levels, but that's what they achieve a butcher and assassinate Obi-Wan's character It's like they achieve something. You're right Nothing, I mean it would make sense that he if he fails because you got to set up the movie But I mean he does he like you're saying he quits. He basically just doesn't fail. He wins and then walks away Yeah, that's no no he actually Oh Luke ends up getting kidnapped and was at the mercy of this lady One does nothing to actually prevent that she just decides not to kill him Yeah, exactly horrible. It is horrible, but Having a little character moment It is a character thing I'd say It's small, but that's all you can really do Why would you What even talking about it's small, but it's all you can really get away I genuinely liked the final like fight with Vader and Obi-Wan. Yeah, it's the first thing on this show where I'm not just like that part was kind of okay I was like I actually liked the See a lot of this is like yeah, very much a normal reaction. Hey, it's a it's a light saber scene That's mostly in combatant But because it's better than the other fight lightsaber seeds in the series. It's great And if that's there, you know I think it's the emotional aspect of it, right? Like it's Vader and Anakin and Obi-Wan having that debate on who really killed him I feel like everyone That way though that doesn't seem to be their reaction. They're like we were so Emotionally invested in the characters. This just sounds like the fight. Yeah. Oh, I've missed half this video We're two minutes into an 18 minute video this is 18 minutes God all right six hours later because they've built up Obi-Wan throughout the season but also I mean incredible damage to him in almost every way When they were just like he can't use the force anymore And he's also shit with his lightsaber to the point where he doesn't even use it But then suddenly he does and is really good with the river like it's absolutely just like by the way He can hold an ocean with the force. Yeah He's also extremely incompetent on multiple levels. Oh, yeah Oh my goodness. Yeah, he's he's jumping It sucks so the way it's executed how the whole thing is pretty much lit with just their lightsabers Yeah That's all that is if you look at that scene You can tell that it's on a green screen with some very primitive 3d models and special effects Which is why it's so freaking dark so you can't see it because even when you take it into like Photoshop and you turn up the levels you can see that it's like one of the most basic sets that they have Wow, I think it's darks to highlight the brightness of the lightsabers and to really accent that glow because they're they fucking love that lightsaber glow Yeah, I might be only Above and beyond with that like it's just so bloody to help right like the just the blue just in like Saturday I saw him the thing is though I mean they do make it darker to hide bad CGI and this was filmed in the volume You know that new kind of effect space that they have and it gives it a very artificial look Like it doesn't feel like they're in an environment Dude, I remember when that got introduced everyone was like fucking going nuts over it But now everyone hates it pretty much and it's gotta be to do with the fact that it's just rushing And they relied on it way too hard. It's this exact same fate as cgi There's in general there are definitely a good uses for it I like I wouldn't rush it off just because it's there, but this is an example of them just Going I opting for it and as a result it looks very artificial and so I just want to say quickly I've seen some behind the scenes stuff and I remember seeing a shot where One of them uses the force on the other and they they have a practical like thing where he gets With wires getting pulled back and hits like a set that is set to fall apart with rocks and stuff Like there's some stuff in this scene might be real But to be honest with you, I'm sure it's gone through post processing hell where it's just floating boulders for real Yeah, you know, I mean, yeah, there's plenty of stuff in this shit that's entirely fake Sometimes I wonder if they just film Something physical happening just to be like we did do physical trust us that the rest is just mainly done in a pc Like I know that they're aware of ggi isn't all cgi When they like release a picture of someone on a full green screen like twitter just gets really angry with them So they should probably just stop doing that That's how bad movies are made is what they say, but you know doesn't help things feel more weighted and stuff Yes and no, I mean In the I'm just watching it. It was a good fight It it highlights something that just annoys the fuck out of me About the prequels inconsistent way like the force is portrayed and what they can do and when they can do it That's always been the case if they can do no it has It has not always been the case It wasn't the case in that fucking prequel trilogy that you hate for the most part I think it's pretty I think it's pretty decent in the prequels overall except for the fourth speed Do you have a different take here? Is that what I just heard? I do I do think there are plenty of opportunities Even in the prequels where they could have just used the force and uh, they just they just don't you know Wait, wait, wait, wait. Sorry. Oh, I thought I thought when we all agreed we were talking about the ot Do you think it's inconsistent in the ot in the ot uh and the ot I don't even think they really They didn't have the basic like rule set Even decided around that so I don't really care. I'm fine with it there Okay, it's pretty limited because in the ot. It's like what three people that use it for the most part That's true. It's not that many people are using that. I'm willing to because yeah, I I think the The ot does a pretty good job though. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some maybe examples of some things Or so why didn't they use this there sort of thing? But Um, the prequels there's plenty of examples of why didn't they use this there? I'm totally having to see that but the sequels went crazy like they With the with the prequels, I mean look it is headcanon, but it's a you can it more easily explain it with some Pretty reasonable headcanon as to the areas in which they might not use the force where they could have Yeah, but in the um the sequels, um, uh, they they just go stupid with it Um, I wonder Chas, why Mola and gang so obsessed with RLM's faults? But if you feel a little bit insecure about it, I think they're great and I'm still subscribed Yeah, they're great. Did you ask why we're obsessed with the other people we covered today? Well, I don't know why nobody said why we obsessed with watching them and saying they're good. We do that all the time I don't know. Where was that? I don't really think Is it the nerd crew? Um, what do they do? Yeah, that is some of the best I fucking love the dude crew. Yeah, it's just top tier like a grade satire for me. I love it Yeah, like it's it's I don't like when we cover nostalgia critic. Nobody says we're obsessed with him What's what's the dealio, huh? Why are you leaving out poor dug? Do the kind of shit they do in that fight where they're just throwing mountains everywhere Yes, agreed pal. I was Completely agree it was And it's also annoying because I think we talked about it before but just if it doesn't feel right to me that obi one is out force powering vader. It's like And specifically because of the setup every single bit beforehand They have basically just said obi one is weaker with the force at the moment And it's only just vaguely getting back onto the horse And in in this episode the only reason he has more power than vader suddenly Is because reasons and he thinks about laia and the good feels and now he's stronger because I just want to pause and I'm point out that you just implied the existence of a force horse Also, I don't appreciate you saying there's always struggling. He held an ocean up man. All right. He's the best Jedi of all time That wasn't justified. He Wait, what do you mean? Very previous uses the force he barely struggled to pull a little thing Suddenly I can barely use the force. I can well it's the opposite now. We're fine. We're doing fine And then yeah, they show us vader pull a starship out of the sky. He's struggling with the rocks. I just like why why Like to me what's I actually think it would take greater energy and force No pun intended to rip apart the hull of that ship and just rip metal Oh, my goodness. That was just I actually really doesn't really insane level of power to be able to do that Your reaction rags in your watch together of that episode when he does that It was hilarious Being able to to pull apart the hull of a spaceship that's designed to yeah Like traverse through space and hyper it's fucking nuts It was the same as shit with the captain marvel when you show her smash through every level of a spaceship with ease It's like, do you know how powerful you've made her? of any idea Vader could literally rip people limb from limb like rip their skeletons out of their body Effortlessly, like it's insane. You can rip apart a ship If you can dodge a wrench you could dodge a ball and if you could rip apart a spaceship You can rip apart river basically basically anything anything pretty much most most commonly approached things in the world He can fuck up. Yeah He could just walk past people and just rip their heads off head just plopping off with the slightest flick of his head now just done Darth Vader is just throwing riva around with the force. Why do they even bother what the fucking lightsaber other than they have to That's a good question. Oh, yeah We talked about this like the unbroken rule you don't if you've got two force users You just gonna they cancel each other out on that when you can't just have one of them pick the other up and then fuck with them That's the head cannon I was referring to that you could explain with the Prequels and the only reason why you know dooku gets away with it People say is because he's vastly more trained in that specific art and Obi-Wan left his I don't even like that No, neither really, but that's the head cannon people scribe to it Yeah It's just that it makes you wonder about all of the fights that have ever happened It does it does surely but not everybody is on the same level and therefore exactly But then you have, you know, Kylo Ren Throwing Finn for whatever Oh, no, he'd first did it to Rey and then he never does it again And you know, these are untrained people in the force and so they don't even have that excuse um Kylo Ren should have been just out of throw them into trees and knock them out and not even break a sweat in that first slicing The lightsaber is the only reason people like star wars in the first fucking place Jesus Christ. No. No. No. No. No. No. No How could you say this rich evans? I mean, is that why you liked it in the first place? But lightsabers are cool, but they're not We need all of the stuff surrounding it for them to be like this Yeah, what a lightsaber Yeah, yeah, yeah, there were plenty of sci-fies with like lights or knockoffs. There's plenty of them princess warrior has lightsabers Like I thought everybody was on board with the whole it was the characters everyone loves the characters and the story and the journey And plus there's barely any lightsabers in a new hope Yeah, this is true Because it was introduced in a cheap sci-fi movie from the 70s Yeah, it is stuck with it What that wow, it's like a reductive contest Imagine the baseline for your lore and future stories is star wars and you're like, huh, you're stuck with that like oh Oh every once in a while we have to show a lightsaber. Oh, okay. That doesn't really change anything Or it's not much of a restriction. I didn't realize that like there was any ip that can't get this criticism Imagine he's just like, you know drastic park. That's a way more open ip like really They're cursed to have The only reason why yeah, they don't reason anyone liked it is because the dinosaurs There's no gay robots in Jurassic park Yeah, they'd be making way more billions anywhere. Yeah, of course they should have put lightsabers in that would have made it good Dinosaurs and lightsabers Oh, yeah Give them lasers What about laser sabers? Mounted on the last That'd be pretty cool, right? It's not like anymore. It's kind of laser Very difficult as long as they're ill-tempered cool Yeah, it is stuck with it It drives me and that's this is like a level of like a weird rich evans pet peevish kind of thing Lucas himself broke his own rules. He's the one who did this Not Okay Disney took it to the end's degree with the powers they added But the whole force healing and stopping lightsabers mid with the force Doing that is way different Exactly the emperor moving those little platform things like I'm fine with that A Sith lord moves something that is way lighter than why there's Growing up a whole bunch of boulders that's not him I'm pretty sure the emperor's like most powerful like like force user and Around that time, right? Like he's like more powerful than like he defeated Yoda. So it's like allegedly he's all the sith That's also That was so epic and cool That was moving things with the force. Isn't anything new Well, I mean we've got Yoda picking up the x-wing right so you can expand By into what can a sith lord do it's like probably throw some shit that's of similar size Also, he picked up that x-wing and it was not fast and he had to fully concentrate to it This is kind of my point like with with when you when you have like a force system And then you establish this guy over here He's one of the greatest of all times like so then he should be able to do Things that are more so than what we've seen already Like that's pretty much what you'd expect right and he does Meanwhile, you go ray brand new force user has no fucking clue what anything means or what's going on And then she does something that's possibly more difficult than anything we've seen in the terms of a single force use Like accidentally using force light and and they do it while she's just Yeah, I know right and and the and this scene is done with her looking like she's bored. She's like come on Come on Be fair. She looks like she's bored throughout the entire Hey Daisy Ridley is a fantastic actor. How dare you this happens when you hire somebody who played a corpse They look bored all the time And that is why you fail next you'll say she's a Mary Sue Empire was so perfect when luke is laying He's almost frozen to death. That's when he sees obi-wan. All right Oh Yeah, you will see yoda and obi-wan. Oh, yeah, he is an empire. Look at that. He's on star wars. Yeah Right there. Let's keep going. Yeah, you guys are gonna fucking love where this goes This this point he makes is so bad. I have edited in a clip from the movies to remind him of something Basically, really just to make sure you've got context here This is under the conversation of luke has ruined everything first. So don't blame the sequels and one of the pieces of evidence is Force ghost started out real good and that's his example. So let's just listen to him. Let's see where he's going with it And so you have that you have the force ghost, which is great because it's it's it's ambiguous on whether or not It's in luke's head. He's delirious or he's obi-wan's really talking to him It's done as tastefully as you can do the concept of a force ghost. Yes. It's now It's not ambiguous on dega bar. That is definitely interesting. You say that evan. It's it's almost as though They don't remember that scene exists Wait, did you edit in the clip from empire strikes back or did they do that because if they did then they have no excuse Even the scene they're talking about obi-wan gives you luke information that he did not have before That means it can't have been a hallucination unless you want to argue He did tell him between scenes randomly to do hope No, no, no, I don't think they argued that but the point what this what they've suggested here I'm not I I've I've been on record saying I'm not a huge fan of force ghosts Right because they cause a lot of issues when you think about them very much for a long time. You got to be very careful Are ambiguous I'm very much a fan of what they were before disney got their fingers on them Because holy shit certainly now, yeah, you made them horrible, but they're positive thing that you know George ruined it well before the sequels did so they'll just let it play And yoda lifting the x-wing out of the out of the ground The luke vader fight a couple of like little tricks with the force, but mostly still lightsabers great Return of the jedi force ghost is now sitting on a lie sitting on a lie Extended casual conversation Yeah Extended casual conversations being played by a human For reference Quinton reviews Pulled this up. He was like the fact that he can sell that log means he can they can absolutely use lightning It's like bro. The fact that they're walking should be evidence enough that they can sit on a log What are you talking about? And they're not actually manipulating the log by sitting on it as far as they know This is just a representative apparition of exactly This is how obi-wan chooses to represent himself to luke. They're having a sit down It's fine. You don't have to judge it further than that. You don't need to think I remember I think quinton Zoomed in to show that he moved like a straw. It was a vine or something. Yeah. Yeah. He moved that. What do you? Oh my god, because an old man that was playing a fictional character in a movie as a ghost He's perfectly not moved sticks Yeah, just remain This isn't gonna be perfect, but um on top of that like They've literally forgotten And it's a great seed at empire where obi-wan and yoda are trying to tell luke not to go save his france is too dangerous Absolutely. I don't know how you forget that when you simultaneously claim empire was like the best one Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna throw the clip in I cannot interfere so I had to watch yeah, I had to watch that when you will be tempted by the dark side of the force Yes, yes Yoda literally To the force ghost guy you listen That guy over there. Oh, yeah the ghost. Yeah. Yeah the ghost that exists that real thing that isn't in your head. Yeah I don't know why they forgot this is so weird That's hilarious and then prequels lightsaber fights Well, now now it's not just like kind of like awkward stunt guys hitting lightsabers now We could do anything. Let's have the lightsaber fights be fucking crazy They improved the choreography in empire strikes back and They did yeah, and um, and why did they say they've changed everything when While showing like are they saying that the lightning from palpatine is a bad choice now in return of the jedi I was about to say that wasn't invented Yeah, dooku wasn't the first one to do that So unless you're saying that is a result of a bad change being palpatine's lightning But as far as I knew red let me do we're on board with that Yeah, I think people more so have a problem with dooku using it because it like undermines like it being like An incredibly powerful thing that palpatine uses, but I think most people don't have a problem I was gonna say I thought most people were fine with it. I am fine with it Do anything let's have the lightsaber fights be fucking crazy But that's still not enough. Let's throw shit around Let's have Darth Sidious throwing those Did an empire strikes back? Yeah, yeah, Darth Vader Darth Vader in the middle of there Because they upped the ante when they would like introduce the force lightning and I'm sorry I really find it hard not to appreciate that the emperor is throwing the pods that belong to like his entire empire at yoda Like allegorical. It's pretty fun. Like they just It's all puppets to them in this whole room, right? It's like these two are fine over the fate of the and I know you're gonna be like It's the prequels model. Why are you digging in that deep and it's like I that is what it is. Okay There's nothing that goes against that interpretation. I think it's kind of neat He's literally tearing the center of the pod in that fight He's throwing what represents each of the worlds of the universe at yoda. Like it's kind of neat. I guess as You don't have to dig too far. I think that's a relatively okay thing Odds the politician pods Oh, yeah He's like spinning him and throwing and yoda's like hey He's spinning one around and he throws it back and it does nothing and then then they're Does nothing. I mean hey it he jumps to avoid He jumps to avoid it and yoda nearly gets his lightsaber fight back. That's what he wanted Yep The throwing shit at him was annoying yoda obviously thrown rocks and uh, and so That's lucas and he established that and In empire when vader threw a bunch of shit at luke. I don't know Feels weird. I don't know what he's what he was thinking and that's that's another thing of why those the prequels. It's cool. I mean Oh Yeah, it's far more logically justifiable to use the force and the prequels by what was set up in the original trilogy And obu one specifically. Yeah has vader ripping apart ships and crap. It's just and what's worse, right? chronologically This is based before the original trilogy and showing vader to insane crap with the force And so it just raised the question at breaking continuity. Why the hell isn't vader using force to that level throughout the original trilogy Exactly. Yeah, and the top tier example is the freaking heart escape. He's got the ship right in front of him And he lets it go You fucked up that scene retroactively. Why'd you do that? Genuinely if like you showed your kids these movies, I don't see why they wouldn't be like, wait, didn't he grab ships before? Why isn't he doing it now like Because he didn't do that before they changed it He had a little character thing and now he doesn't want to do it anymore They gave him a character thing cool injection We have to have the we have to top the last fight the last fight The fight the fight of with vader and obu one in this on that rock planet when You know with the exception of obu one throwing all the rocks It was neat Better the boost do you remember the the theme of the coverage of episodes one through four was like They just kept saying this was better than the prequels is better than prequel though. He got a bit better than the prequels. It's just like And also the statement where he says they have to always do something bigger and more Spectacular fancy with the force. No, they actually haven't done that. This is one of the reasons why I liked rogue one is vader's use of the force was actually Very restrained but perfectly in line with the power levels that he was established in when he goes and attacks that, you know Those guys on that ship it worked really well They didn't have to make vader bust open the ship and pull, you know, rip people limb from limb or anything And so they're not always upping the ante because you don't need to you can just use the force as You know within the power levels that's been established to really fund interesting ways Since you've established that jedi can just do that ship whenever they need to now. Yes, I agree. It was a neat it was a neat fight But I thought when when han solo picks up the lightsaber and turns it on to cut open the belly of the tauntaan he's like And he's a little awkward with it And he doesn't quite know what he's doing and he looks like he's struggling so I thought That if a regular person turned on a lightsaber and tried to pick it up The sheer like power behind it would cause it to be so like heavy And and awkward and almost impossible to use sort of like a sword in the stone So this has never been shared in in a star wars thing to my knowledge But I've heard like statements that I might have been from george lucas that lightsabers themselves The handles themselves are supposed to be really heavy and they are so not true from they can't They can't be because of then you hope it's impossible Yeah, that's true. That's true. And so to be fair, yeah, yeah, yeah If you watch the clone orzer if you read the books or the comics It is a thing where if you don't have any kind of force ability a lightsaber is going to be difficult to use That's why general grievous had to have you well, he didn't have to but he You know made all those changes to himself and basically made him into a cyborg So that way he could use lightsabers the way that a Jedi could I want to I want to tell everybody There's some neat ideas that might surround it. You can't luke casually picks one up before he even knows what the force is And I know but luke has the luke is for sensitive He's anakin skywalker since so he already has that ability in him Just because he's not trained doesn't mean he can't use it, you know naturally like there's people that are just naturally gifted at things But like as an utility it seems like it would be extremely useful. Yeah, he's got the meta-chlorians Well, it's anyone could technically turn on a lightsaber, right? Like it's not a problem that like just haunt No, no, it's about using it. It's like how easy is it for you to use as compared to a normal person The framing their point is weird because it's just like They're like he was awkward doing it. It's like he's doing something that's awkward He's cutting open a tauntaun and just with a weapon. He's never used before You think luke would be awkward doing that Well, so yeah, I was going to say their point's not going to work as well because they they So you got to focus on it to use the force to steady the lightsabers like luke's not doing that Like you're gonna so if you're going to interpret it as the swords will Detect your genetics and allow you to carry it like Man, I I would never make that fucking rule, but you go right ahead if you want to put that in Yeah, I don't see how it would be harder for someone who doesn't have force sensitivity to use it It has to do with the crystal Yeah, it um, I think there's an episode of the clone wars where they talk about it a little bit yoda does and then it's mentioned in the thron duology and my god, what's the other book um When luke has his uh academy and then I think they also talk about it in cotor Well, the sequels have contradicted it because oh heavily sequels aren't real Hey, well fins fin hey fins full sensitive shad. We found that out. Is it? Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah He had a feeling many times had a feeling He had a little character moment. He had a little character. Oh, that was a character thing. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry Please you have to get it right. I think people are gonna go nuts and channel as we admit it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah So the reason han does that in empire is fucking cold. That's why he's having trouble. It's a blizzard You didn't need to interpret it as the lightsaber is difficult and heavy and like it's fine You know, it's fine. It's fine kind of situation exactly where it's just like a beam of pure energy that is Like it's it's out of like physics and it's a true Jedi can Yeah, and in order to to use it like awesomely and and effectively you you're also using the force to to move it around So if a regular person had a lightsaber, they turn it on and like fall to the floor and they'd be like, oh my god I can't pick this up. I don't know how to pick this up. I don't know how to what to do with it And that's just goes why did they show it? I guess because they're saying fin is for sense I guess suggesting is almost like wielding mjolnir in terms of like you you literally cannot use it Unless like you have the force which is just like that is sort of a thing But it's not like you literally can't like even hold certainly something. I don't like well And it's all that they use that right after establishing han used it You know like he didn't it didn't drop to the ground or anything But There's nothing special about jedi's really no wait a second in the return of the jedi when lune well, okay before I go because I In return of the jedi when luke is capped when he gives himself up at uh an end door His lightsaber is presented to him by his capturing officer. Correct. Yeah. Yeah, there's an officer That that officer must be full sense. He must be Because Is she for senses? I'm just gonna say yeah mas canada is as well. Yeah Oh, okay Did he just say jedi aren't special goes with your theory that There's nothing special about jedi's really Because Hey, what about art? Isn't that they can use a lightsaber all the force makes a jedi special And also like what's wrong with that's like saying what makes cap special is his strength There's like is a shield and that's like saying what makes him special is his shield Yeah, any any of the like Obviously gonna be the the willingness to defend the innocent and all the shit like that Or maybe the ability to use the fucking force I guess he just counts that for some reason. I don't know I guess because you can have force users that aren't jedi and you can have force users that are the sith and yeah But I don't know what a strange thing to say I don't like it Like oh, I used to like jedi because they were the only ones that had lightsabers Well, of course you have sith too. Well, of course you can't have han solo doing it an empire But other than that, it's just like what yeah when finn picks it up. That's you can't do that Yeah, by the way, I would just help him up. You're like, don't worry. Finn's a secret jedi. There you go It's nice in your little head cannon. I know you love the sequel Given how do you say his name kumail manjiani kumail manjiani. He's a very funny guy. Yeah, I really liked his film The big idea too. I hate everything else of state Oh silicon valley. Yeah, apparently he's good in those Oh, I haven't seen is that a tv show? It's great. Yeah. Yeah, it's on hbo It was here. I thought he was gonna do that here. Here's your gents to be a jedi But now I know what it feels like being a real jedi It's not easy So yeah first Reason so if obi one was thinking maybe I should hand out lightsabers be like, dude, how fucking dangerous like All of you go nuts. Hopefully this works out. You're gonna give your lightsaber to this guy. No, it's almost a fair lightsaber Oh, no I so well the first thing is just like it's incredibly Like complicated and dangerous to wield that thing Especially when we're working as a big team like I can go very wrong We all assume I I thought the jedi using lightsabers was kind of a different thing because they have extreme levels of focus and understanding and finesse and they can access the force to make them more accurate because like you know lightsabers are um They in certain environments they can be really shit as a weapon In a lot like it This is my own other kind of thing, right? I always assume to they're safe of a jedi because they use the force ability to prevent, you know accidental injury and stuff because I I've trained with swords guys and guess what I have hit myself with a blade Accidentally and sometimes I accidentally make contact contact with the blade with your hand and everything I would be dead if they were lightsabers and so Yeah, like lightsabers have issues if they exist in the real world Wow That would be really interesting as a payoff in a sense like like A potato and throws it out of it. He holds it. He goes. Oh, no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Oh, that's sure as heavy Oh, jeez. Oh I would pick it up and give it to you if I could but what's this guy's story, you know Find out about frank. See how he ended up there. There's something about frank a star wars. What's a frank movie? It's probably better than what we get now And then he says just chuck frank and frick I would watch it It's not easy What oh And then he starts just chopping people up. Why not? Yeah, because I would be stupid because that would be dumb as fuck Yeah, why would that's so incredibly fucking Uh reckless for moby. What if he did that like just go out there and slash away, buddy You could do it But they're also seeing the context that they think if he picked up a lightsaber and suddenly starts kicking butt with it That would make sense. It'd be fine. There's like, no Yeah, you're right. I thought the whole point of this conversation was to point out that Nobody should be I guess they're saying because Disney broke it or slashed lucas broke it and everyone can use them So fuck it give it to everybody. I don't think everyone can use them as well as jedi can because jedi is special Jedi have the telekinesis which can only help you Pretty good. Yeah A little rule that would have been neat in the star wars universe because it makes jedi special I efficiently do not give a shit about the star wars. Can't it? I just don't give a shit I can tell Say this like five years ago I just don't know why they were Yeah When they were reviewing the last jedi like I can I can legitimately see how not giving a crap about star wars would make you hate obi one less But why do you want to talk about it, you know, like if you because I don't I guess it's safe to say that I don't really care that much anymore, which is totally fine. But like I mean seeing this next to their star trek coverage It's like a night and day. Oh, yeah, the star trek coverage is glorious You get like fucking what was the total runtime for every episode of just season two of Picard it comes to like It's a ridiculous amount of hours like in a good way. They covered They covered start they cover the star trek movies. They covered star trek discovery star trek Picard And they did they did all their tng episodes They did star trek their own like fan film that they would want to do They've made a lot of star wars related stuff And it's clear that they're very passionate and they care about star trek Yeah star trek And that passion and care is just not at all there for star wars, which is why dumb But Mike is making these stupid suggestions They're basically saying That star wars is crap. So let's just enjoy the crapness and do more crap because stuff it I think what's lame is that it's turned into it's always been crap. It's never been that good or worthwhile Which is really lame It's really sad to hear because like I would call investment in some form of the can is the whole fucking reason you watch it Because you want to see what happens next or in addition to not the idea The force awakens I don't know Do you still think yeah, potentially that ryan did it all on purpose? He nuked the entire franchise because he wanted it to be free I don't know expressly his idea but in practice and function It's basically what he did. There's like a one-two punch with him and jj Yeah He did a lot of work in a shortish amount of time. Not bad guys Not bad. Yeah, I'm straight I can appreciate this series in and of itself and like bubble in a vacuum. It's like, uh, I can't even do that I can't and it relies on the other things being a thing. It's it's hard. Is that too? Yeah But even it when you do decouple it, right the the plot is retarded That's so many stupid things a character's inconsistent and they it's so stupid on serving levels poorly done. The fight scenes are awful Oh my goodness. They know what they're doing lair Oh, shit I probably shouldn't have said your name lair. It's like a stupid contest in the back of that truck Yeah, because you might think like to outstupid each other. Yeah, but it's like, hmm. That's suspicious. Anyway We're anyway, we're looking for Jedi. He kind of looks like that guy and he kind of he's sort of wearing what that guy's wearing too And he's with this little girl called laia. What her name is If you see anyone matching those descriptions, let us know Not only that it's like a princess of alderaan the only princess of alderaan Don't you think people would be familiar with what she looks like one of those little things like even if they Didn't know what she looked like they'd have those little bounty things or it'd be like this is what it looks like They told us to look for a Jedi that's all they said so you would expect everyone to know what obi-wan Kenobi looks like as well because he was one of the most famous Jedi and to be fair That man has not aged that much. He looks great And they would just tell you if they want you to look for someone obviously the empire is going to say This is a picture of him. We have many of these pictures. You can use these pictures to identify him based on his face Gosh you're bringing back so many memories of just this one episode of how Insanely bad it was like he doesn't know how to walk around a laser fence with big gaps on the side Riva teleports in front of laia just because magic Vader decides to just let obi-wan go because he forgets that he has force powers and is able to not only Put out fire that is in a suit that's basically immune to fire as well There are so many levels of stupidity in just that episode alone You need to remember that in 1977 One of the stormtroopers bumped his head on a door by accident. That was one of the so really star wars was always silly Yeah, so Character in this Appreciate this series in and of itself and like bubble in a vacuum. It's like a obi-wan's kind of a neat character in this And I can enjoy it Oh Genuinely, he's such a sad sap in this and He's herathetic. It sucks to see how much they've damaged him. He's he's awful. He's legitimately a stupid loser No, but he says hello there at the end. So Can you really blame him at this point after all that's happened with disney? Yes My spirits have been crushed Not to tell you I'm looking for like the sun Yeah The big and it's burned me too many times, but I can't let go a couple billion years. That's that's what hope is Yeah, one day it will swallow the earth And and that again that is the hollowness of it that I desperately want filled is is You're the you're you're you're done with the cannon stuff. You're done with like, well There doesn't know who obi-wan konobi was in a new I don't give a shit. You're you're looking It's kind of a big D I'm sorry, but this is kind of this is your job So it's so fucking weird What? All right, so I don't care now what no no So when you so yeah, when they highlight inconsistencies at all then I'm like, so wait, do you care? What's happening? No, they really don't care. I've chopped out I've chopped out a bunch of portions of this video and several of the conversations in this video or stuff We agree on with them. They point out just inconsistencies one of the ones they do is um You know the girl who sacrifices herself with a grenade. They're like didn't really make much sense that she didn't just throw it Yeah, why do you care about an inconsistency? Why do you care? I didn't care about that I don't explain that in this though rich. He tells her pretend. You don't know me. Oh god You see how On one end they're fighting they're having two Making fun arguments of everything at the same time that contradict each other. I'll explain myself here So rich is trying to comment on how it's annoying and I don't care Why are we talking about whether or not luke and obi-wan knew each other air? But jay has just heard him say that and now wants to make fun of how bad the dialogue was like That trying to account for it after jay rich has just said don't care Those like i'm going to be cooperating with each other very well those two perspectives, right? It's almost like you're not Listening. I don't give a shit. It was what rich's response should probably be but you're not going to do that because we've got Like a chemistry and a continuity you want to maintain here. They clearly do care They know that the dialogue was really bad Like to account for it It's they're doing the thing that other person did in that other video Jim sterling I don't care over and over again. Like you definitely do They didn't need to do that. It's seamless rich And then and then in this obi-wan's like where's her little baby lay has been kidnapped. He Fuck her She's the daughter of a monster. No, he has a job to do a daughter of a monster Oh, you you have to appreciate this. Oh dark vader. Oh, I thought he was talking about Make sure everyone here understands what just happened mike saying obi-wan shouldn't give a shit about lair because she's the daughter of a bad man Oh, so he's not criticizing obi-wan's first reaction that you know He's not trying to Give an exaggerated example when his first whole layer is kidnapped and obi-wan's like can't do it And is uh, is is he criticizing that obi-wan first said no or is he criticizing the blanket fact that obi-wan shouldn't go up? That obi-wan shouldn't care about lair because lair lair's father is an evil bastard I'm gonna I'm gonna Doesn't yoda at some point just say fucker Don't go in. I mean he basically says leave her alone. We we need to practice our our force No, no, what what he said he tells luke that there is another Right. Well, he says there's another and then later on obi-wan says that there's another that that he that luke has a sister and luke says Leia, but yoda's saying we have to keep her um, like Well, I think Well, because at first he was telling luke not to go but I think just because they knew Well, they were hidden before and their parents knew but she was always hidden until The end what I was getting at was that yoda knew that vader wouldn't kill leia because she's more valuable alive So he wasn't worried about her getting killed on bespin No, it's because he hadn't he didn't because they were vader didn't know that leia existed I know that but i'm saying as being princess leia I don't think yoda was worried that she would die as compared to somebody who's really a nobody to vader which would be han solo Sorry I'm I can't if I if I can just reset for a second you're right I'm assuming the point being made was when he says there is another he's saying even if luke is to die or fall to the dark side We still got leia. We do have another. Yeah, because ben says there he's our only hope and then yoda says no There is another and then the scene fades out. It's what yeah, but I was going off of er's point Which was that yoda basically said no f f them you need to stay here finish your training I don't think he was saying f leia. I think you knew that leia was gonna survive revealing leia I was going off the earth vader Well, dark vader didn't know that she had that you know that that connection exists No, I think it doesn't matter vader wasn't gonna kill her. She's too valuable alive As compared to dead But also leaving her with dark vader. I don't know that's that's not a great I mean Yeah, you gotta remember Still won't look finish this train yoda's pov is that he thinks it's more likely luke will fail if he goes there and thus That doesn't make the situation better does it? Yeah suppose Hey, man, you know if I was I was sitting there with them not talking about it I might even be like luke maybe it is worth training a bit more buddy. I don't know I don't know man. I don't know go there is vader. He's pretty Got a big bell cape Yoda says you you've got to be a if you're not a Jedi knight, you know You're gonna we're we're gonna lose you. We can lose you to the dark side. You'll be a force of evil It's seamless rich And then and then in this all be ones where it's like her little baby lay has been kidnapped. He Fuck her She's the daughter of a monster Why would he care? I need you guys to heal up. Why would he care? Why why care? Yeah, but monster I mean, why would he care? I just don't my brother Anakin it's like have you guys ever heard a take like this from Someone who loves like dollars. I don't understand. I don't get it Why would Obi-Wan care about luke will lay his lives when their dad was evil? It's like They had a mum too, man Why would Obi-Wan want to protect the future of the Jedi? I mean you were there at the delivery. You were there Yeah, by the way, people are pointing out, but like it feels so obvious that it like what it's like Yeah, them having a bad dad doesn't mean they are bad. Why would what are you doing? Why would you do what are you Why would he even be on tattooing if he had that feeling because he knows that luke is lay his twin So it's like her her dad's evil. Why would he even be wasting his time on To be fair, he's about to follow up. Just give him a little listen. I mean, why would you care? And why does he care so much about luke? Mike, oh my god, maybe he's the only thing that can go against vader. In case anyone thought anything different He's literally asking why in the world does Obi-Wan can only care about leia or luke I've never ever ever thought a star wars fan would ask this question I mean, this is back in Revenge of the Sith Star Wars fans Well, yeah, so if people needed to actually know the answer so he's charged with it as like a duty They're these are innocent children He feels vaguely responsible or even directly responsible as a result of all this happening in relation to anakin And then they're gonna be the future of the jedi and the hope for the galaxy Do I need more reasons than this? He better feel doubly responsible in the ot now that it's been contextualized that he let darth vader go again again. Yeah So now when luke wants to go to cloud city and fight vader ben's going It's kind of a fault But like it's not just that mike says this rich and jay Don't suggest otherwise. They seem to agree. I guess. I guess they agree I don't know if they do but like does anyone here remember star wars? Like what's going on? Yeah, I'll give a shit because that's what he's been put on that planet to do until he dies Good point jay Yeah, so why did he go leave leah? Let's operating strictly on that logic. Why did he go to leah? Oh, man because plot because they needed a show That's what I mean. It feels like There's a tangential point that we would agree with which is he never should have left abandoned. I should say luke Leia it was that's bale's charge and bale's in a much better position to help Like that's a valid question to ask but why does he care at all about either of them? It's like, oh jeez Best friend it makes sense if they're actually special and they're the only ones who can save the galaxy from an emperor palpatine But they're not but they don't know that yet They believe they are though it doesn't have to be true. They just have to believe it to be true But even if they're not they're also innocent children that deserve We'll get these loads of reasons If you're obi one wouldn't you feel kind of guilty for the situation those kids are in Especially with no bs Yeah, this is what I mean. I laid out like four significant reasons for this I feel like there's no way you're successfully arguing that obi one shouldn't give a shit It happened Years Let him let him protect the innocent children. All right, I think it's fine. I would kill luke I'd be like you're fine. So now at the point Remember how I said this video goes off the fucking deeper. I legit was like wait what? I Don't know anymore like people claim the spirits and brains were broken by peccad season two That's the that's the awkward. I mean they don't know how to say I'll do anything anymore Surely watching a season of bad tv doesn't like surely doesn't seep into everything else You're advocating for child murder. I can't believe they said that Yeah, I'm gonna play let me play it again. Just you know, let's be fair. Let's get that full quote They're not but they don't know that yet. I know anakin should I mean, they don't know that yet They believe it to be true and that is enough of a reason that sounded like a defense almost there So from them, I mean like they drop in that point immediately We're moving on to konobi killing the children rag come on keep up. Oh, okay. I got you're right I let me catch up. I'm leaving in the past if I were obi one. I would kill luke I'd be like your father is it is is the worst piece of shit Your father is the worst piece of shit ever And then luke would look at oan and he's like well, he's not that bad Oh, my god children deserve to pay for the sins of their father Some old testament shit right here god damn I swear to god like like I said huge fan red letter media same I imagine for several people in this call right now possibly I don't know I'm not just The community that everyone listening to this they're just kind of ignore that They're just gonna be like you didn't say that that's fine moving on Because how do you how do you square that away at all? You know what one should have done If you claim that they're star trek fans So there's a whole like thing with the klingons where warf is basically responsible for his father And so it's like by this whole Scenario that he's putting forth it's like how can you call yourself a star trek fan when you're literally calling for something that warf literally fucking fought for in star trek Exposed my mind. I like I said I couldn't believe it's being said by him If you remember because like a lot when we covered the first four episodes I think I said like okay, probably not gonna do the next two It's probably similar to that one other but a lot of people when it came out Well, like please cover it. It's worse than part one. It's like it is this is worse than part one They just argued Obi-Wan Kenobi should have executed Luke Go to admit that's that's even further along than what ryan johnson would advocate for I think And and he's awful and you're probably gonna turn into him I guess we're retroactively approving of luke in tlj. I don't know what the fuck is happening Sorry Like is he being sarcastic? No, he's gotta be he's gotta be this There's no way he actually is advocating for obi-wan killing a kid The moment luke starts having some bad dreams Like there's plenty of star trek episodes where they like fight this exact thing that he's Making a declaration on as his point in this video. So Funny though Should the child of the worst tyrant known in the universe How would they be judged or how they be perceived by the people of the world that was tormented by that evil guy It's literally a plot point in my book. So anyway, I can relate to the concept A certain someone a certain historical figure who is a tyrant that is very infamous like their their children are like Have like written books about this type of a thing. This is like actually a thing in real life that happens I Yeah, the question is obi-wan would never do that and most Reasonable even not even unreasonable people wouldn't do it. They would They could judge people with bias and resent and not and distrust and stuff if it's a child of a terrible person I could see people being bigoted in that way, but Just flat out killing him. It's like that's that's that's next Oh I'll um, I'll roll it back and if we can let it play for decent chunk just see try and gather a vibe of Is he joking and it makes sense if they're actually special? And they're the only ones who can save the galaxy from Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine But they're not but they don't know that yet. I know Anakin should if I were obi-wan, I would kill luke I'd be like your father is is is the worst piece of shit ever And and he's awful and you're probably gonna turn into him See this is why people hate the last but did Mike seem like he was joking Doesn't seem like it No, maybe he's maybe he's drunk because jay's having the normal person reaction to it. Like what the fuck are you suggesting? When jay is the voice of reason in a star wars discussion I'm curing them the benefits that I think it's at least a partial joke I'm shocked that you guys know all of them by name. Oh, these guys are great Any video I try to watch and then I just I have to turn it off. I can't stand them Oh, why? Or even look at look at his current expression charisma. He's like He's like, uh, he's he's pleading. He's like it's it's like is there is there someone behind you with a gun? Like do you need help It's like what there is still a fucking nucleotide coming up And I'm curious if chat will think that's a joke as well because I'm starting to wonder is it just the bad takes of jokes Is that what we'll do? Survive this Delivery is so flat that I have no idea like they seem just so like uninspired and just apathetic that I'm just like If they're telling jokes, I wouldn't I'm none the wiser I'm generally the delivery Because luke almost kills kylo ren My oh remember Oh Oh, no, I gotta roll this bag. Yeah, you guys chat fucking brace yourselves. You had this before you had it last time He's he's about to say the similar thing and he's awful and you're probably gonna turn into him See, this is why people hate the last jedi though because luke almost kills kylo ren My oh He has that that uh brief moment where he thinks about killing kylo ren And everybody hates that movie because of that. Oh, sure sure. Yes, because he he senses badness and kylo ren Yeah, so he has a brief moment where he thinks about killing him. He's like, oh, he doesn't kill him But just the fact that he thought about it is enough. No, he didn't know he attempted to do it Hmm. Well, so if we're supposed to believe one of the three flashbacks It's probably the final one and the final one he ignites the lightsaber. He doesn't swing It doesn't do it. Yeah, so Definitely you can the problem everyone takes with this is the full consideration of executing kylo That's just completely out of the realm of luke's characterization The one step short of actually doing it is going there bringing your lightsaber igniting the lightsaber This is like it's like going to someone's bedside taking a gun loading the gun putting around in the chamber Pointing it at someone's face. Yeah, I want to you don't know that trying to just drop something and needed the light I mean come on some people say like it's totally fine that he considered it And it's hard to translate But it's just like you wake up and you're kind of hungry go downstairs unless let's say Your mum or dad is just sort of standing there making a cereal and you see the cereal box and you're like Could I have cereal I could eat my mum Serial oh, that's what I'm saying You it's the wait. Well, how do you guys this cannibalism I'm talking about you better not be Yeah, it's like a like a random totally evil thing that just pops into your head Yeah, like somebody's suggesting, you know, yeah, that's perfectly in character for baller to consider He didn't do it. It's like no, it's not. Why the fuck would I consider that like what? No Uh-huh tasty mom be lookin cannibalism is a lovely delicious bowl of mamos to start the day nice Moment where he thinks about killing him, but he doesn't kill him But just the fact that he thought about it is enough to send he doesn't even Did more than think about it I'm gonna keep like I just pausing him before he says it if you guys go I'll let him finish the sentence. Okay, you don't love it Sure. Yes, because he he senses badness and kind of random Yeah, so he has a brief moment where he thinks about killing him But he doesn't kill him But just the fact that he thought about it is enough to send a bunch of man babies into Man babies Oh Because you could just dismiss the things that people have to say in their criticisms if you call them a man, baby It's a really What they're doing doesn't that qualify them as man babies? Oh, absolutely Oh, yeah, they're they're practically cited as the origin of star wars man-babiness because of the prequel videos So I don't know why they would use that cudgel Uh Bit odd, but hey chat. Is it a joke? I don't think so Maybe I still can't do numerous having problems getting the watch together to work. So I it's working for us I'm not the only one with technical difficulties. Yeah, I just I don't hear any sound for some reason. I don't know why Is your needed? Yeah, nope Who's the king? Sitch is no longer here. You kick Sitch out I would I love that. You're asking who the king is Yeah um user jj CVS Oh, he's the oh, I see that. I that's probably Mahler, he made the he was the one who made the channel Yeah, seems like it would be Mahler Yeah, well, he's the king. He doesn't hear the one that says adam friended and it has the picture of you That's me. Yeah. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Sitch is the other It's the one who isn't here that but it's still in the watch together like he Fell asleep and just left his computer You How does everybody feel about the video so far? It's really bad. It's bizarre. It's just Bizarre that it's coming from red letter media, you know, you like pretty good at just avoiding this I mean, unfortunately it comes off as very hypocritical like You know, especially that man-baby comment. I was just like, whoa Yeah, that's and I don't know. There's star wars content. Has it been a bit iffy for a good long while Yeah, I mean, I feel like any of their stuff that I watch it's pretty much like this I certainly the stuff that I enjoy from them most is their best of the worst Which is not that I it's it's not super big into like the criticism aspect It's mostly for entertainment and they have really excellent chemistry together in those videos and they're very very fun I don't really watch their half of the bags or most of the other stuff they do Yeah, best of the worst is great, but I love best of the worst immensely. That's why I watch them essentially The impression that you get with this video was that the indifference has led to a uh A very Unfocused conversation where a lot of weird arguments sort of get thrown at the wall without being examined And so you have this weird It seems like they just are trying to make content You know, and they're like, we'll have a conversation about this Here's the bullet points that we all have to talk on And then we'll edit it to make it a 17 minute video. Like that's really what it feels like Oh, well, however long it is Like they they just need content and to talk about it. That's what it really seems to me That they are talking about it out of obligation because red light of media made the big popular star war influential star wars video And um, but it seems like they don't care anymore, which is fine And then it's a video that's sort of laden with a lot of weird claims that seem to stem heavily just indifference Yeah, it's worth mentioning because I was listening as well that um, I It's a super cut and they say a lot of stuff you guys would totally agree with and stuff about the contradicts the idea of Like what they care about they talk a lot about how it doesn't match law or its own continuity I chopped out all the stuff we agree with because I figured it was just like kind of pointless But we did it with the first half and this is what I mean. I'm telling people trust me They have good takes they have normal takes but they also say shit like this and it's just like what the fuck Yeah, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? Who knows? He uh, sometimes you just gotta take the go with the bad. That's just the way it rolls Our our limb just says some weird stuff sometimes Like I've always found them very entertaining but like There was a half in the bag where they were they were doing some hercules movie And they just shit on the movie the entire time and then recommended it If you cared about star wars canon, I I really enjoy them, but I I don't take like their analysis 100% seriously I guess is a good way to put it You take the good stuff seriously is what you're saying Though the entertainment, yeah Just saying that you've watched I take their entertainment seriously indeed When they have a character Yeah A bunch of man babies into That awkward loft charge You if you cared about star wars canon, it would be impossible to enjoy star wars What? So is that my fault or is it the writer's own? Why is that my fucking fault? I mean, I'm sorry. I care about the stories I used to enjoy I guess I agree with that Doesn't this apply to You know all of the franchises, you know that yeah, you know, you literally can't control what you care about, right? That's literally something you cannot control It's it's it's a result of things, right? You can't just oh, let me just literally stop caring It's like no you realize you stopped caring because of something Like I can't just hit the switch and I care about star wars again And then the next day hit the switch again, and I no longer care about it Yeah, you stop caring because disney stopped caring Yeah, I stopped caring as a result of what was done with the franchise I care about the original trilogy Yeah, yeah, I care about the reenactment All of this game relation started but like it's so crazy still that so many writers care about their properties Like it's insignificantly compared to the fans. It's like how can you write without caring about that? I don't get it disney have made a whole production line for everything They figured it out bad. They built an evil empire out of doing it Yeah, well, you know even by this point that he's making it's like well What about movies that take place in the real world where they're just have to do like the special effects? So that way it makes a cool shot and it doesn't work within the canon of reality But we don't care because we're watching it and it's a cool movie. You know, it's like I don't even think that they care about what they're saying or if they even realize the ramifications of what they're saying Which yeah, uh, a lot of people are saying that's why they're saying this bizarre shit Because they don't know what they're literally just making content I think and they like obi one's the hot new star. We're show. We just need to talk about it Yeah, definitely when you watch when you watch they're really just tired Sure, you just have to forget that the prequels exist when you watch this you have to forget everything else existed It's the only way you can enjoy this shit I really like the moment when tala used What are those fucking spikes on her hands for? What it's cool Oh, why are I do why are they on there? What is the purpose? Why do you have little butt plugs on your hands? Are you gonna like backhand someone like maybe Knuckles maybe You'd have to like slam the dating rack It'll let other bounty hunters know you don't fuck with this one. They got hand spikes. He's got spikes on her the back of her hand I didn't even notice before I should have maybe I was just oh I was overcome with grief when I was watching this episode I was like watching the death of a friend over and over and over again Isn't that from return of the jedi? That's not from kanobi. That's for tune of the jedi I I still have a problem with it. No, I know but Just making sure you know what it's from I I don't even care. I just like I I see spikes on the back of someone's hand and I have questions It's the only way you can enjoy this shit I really like the moment when tala used the boba fat thermal nuclear detonator That wasn't okay That was well, it looks like boba fat. I do like but like isn't that a dick in it. I don't even blame him That's luke, right? It's like dragging out some dude to talk about this as if he cares about it But he doesn't like it's clear at this point Fucking I don't know He just lives there and like the shed or something and they they poke him and wake him up from his alcohol Fueled slumber so that he can talk about some star wars movie. Oh, someone asked is the man baby thing the nuclear take? No We haven't gotten there yet. Oh, no to blow yourself up there and uh the loader I really liked I felt a more emotion for the loader exploding than Loader only cared because it was programmed to But That's all that matters Well, that's in a sense You could feel even more tragedy for that that this creature was programmed into Becoming a beat shield in a sense like it couldn't escape that fake the the drawings have some level of settings and styles It's a bit disturbing if you think of it that way But if you think of it the normal way that he's a friend of hers and he chose to take the but you know Everyone likes the loader more than any character and can't be just because he's a drawing trying to help. That's it Throne that grenade She was but like she was injured. Why so she could be thrown Injured You could move your arms still Rolled it a little bit You could have tried you could have tried that's just you could this whole show you could have tried I wouldn't be surprised if they would even categorize as like this is such a nitpick Meanwhile, we're like this is such a blatant fuck up Like because anybody would throw the grenade Riva and all the stormtroopers are like coming down the hallway and just that's so many experience points clustered together right there You'll level up without one grenade You know the kill feed umbo points would just be this huge massive names. Yeah I would have thrown it you know But that's not as emotional like it was like a that was a cheap emotional moment It would have had more impact had Obi-Wan smooched on her It would have yes. I mean it would have had a more emotional impact if she wasn't stupid What were you saying It would have had more emotional impact if it wasn't stupid and we cared about her Well, it is weird right to be like, oh man, I really liked that part, but it was cheap Like oh Oh, so you recognize that like you've been Um, yeah, okay. I mean, you know, if that yeah, if he's saying like I enjoyed it, but it's poorly made. It's like, all right All right, sure. All right. It would have had more impact had Obi-Wan smooched on her It would have yes He can't do that because he's a Jedi but come on, but they bend the rules with everything else It's because it's because in Jedi look it's the cult personality. He becomes a Jedi any oh shit. Here we are Oh Here we are I don't know that you guys are right. Oh, okay. My body was everything else It's because it's because in Jedi look it's the cult personality. He becomes a Jedi and he instantly becomes boring Yeah, yeah, no some of the Farm boy looking for adventure. Yes, father. I sense the good in you I have drained all the motion from my personality He's you've got to be all of late to his father. I watched the scene just like the other day for a bit Oh, yeah, like I chat. What do we think in joke or real? I like he tries to emotionally appeal to a fatherhood Well, so I've actually watched the movie in too long. Maybe just I've actually thrown the clip in there for you guys So let's have a little look see I'm creepy now No Dude, Mark Hamill is so on point in that like and then when he turns on the lightsaber And you just like get that reaction where he's clearly on edge But like trying to keep his cool like he's so good My interpretation of him in the movie is that he is trying to come across as more than he has yet like become necessarily he wants to Project himself as a very confident in control Jedi master. He's trying everything he can The whole movie is about testing his metal will he He's so emotionless even though he snaps at Vader and screams no when he vaders taunting him about lair. It's totally emotionless So that's what makes this for that movie boring, but so is Luke Skywalker in Jedi. Okay Yeah, this is why this is one of the most baffling Star Wars takes ever because most people pick the scenes Relating to Vader and Luke as their favorite in all Star Wars in return of the Jedi And it's because of the emotion. So it's just like what is happening. You know They're saying he became boring I remember what as a kid Jedi was easily my favorite because Luke became a badass absolutely, yeah it's like Very very kid and I it's hard for me to judge objectively now because I've got all that nostalgia mixed in with it But Luke became so cool in Jedi compared to the other ones It was easily my favorite. Oh emperor. I will never join you. I am a Jedi like my father You failed your highness I am a Jedi like my father before me So I am a Jedi like my father. Oh my god He knows the quote he's just like I like this this has to be put on this has to be a voice I think it's serious. I think I would go as far as saying Mark Hamill's performance for delivering this is pretty damn great Yeah, I get a full sense That he's like he's he's emboldened by his full on belief that yeah I'm gonna stay strong to this but he's still stressed out as fuck and you get those little breaths And he's like and then the music reflecting like so what happens next and then obviously we cut to the emperor And he's like so be it which is like, oh shit What's gonna happen now fail your it's like the best part of the movie I am a Jedi How can he know the quote so intimately but just fail in the delivery like this has to be like put up there's just like I don't know how he could accidentally do this just accidentally remember it being emotionless because it's like People do that all the time on eFab. People just flat out Do not remember the material that they're referencing like there's the guy i'm covering right now Just as a as an example the guy i'm covering right now for a response Literally says that it's fucking insane that I think obi won once luke to kill vader People just flat out do not remember the shit that they talk about It's um, it's odd, but I mean it's it's pretty hard when you literally put his impression of luke next to luke delivering it is Okay, so even if you were gonna be critical of his acting in this scene it ain't that right That's great. I am a jedi Like my father before me So I am a jedi Like my father. I have been programmed into the jedi cult now. He becomes creepy priest man Yeah, he does Even though he disobeys so many of the rules like frequently throughout that entire movie. It's yeah, he One of the reasons that obi won didn't tell luke that vader was his father was because he thinks that that would Make luke hesitate in killing vader Mm-hmm, and and so when luke goes to meet vader he tries to appeal to that relationship in order to save vader and not kill him So I just you just have to move you again. You clearly don't remember it So he's complaining about luke's delivery and return to the jedi like that scene but not when luke's in front of java Like if you're gonna complain about his delivery I'd complain about those ones not where he's like literally panting from fighting and refusing to kill his father like what the I mean, it's one of the most iconic lines It's one of the things that everyone will fucking loves about it. Like people don't typically remember it as being really robotic from my memory But okay I mean the dude just got finished fighting like what what do you want? There's nothing to see I used to live here, you know, you're gonna die here, you know Convenient Just stick close to chewy and land What is it ask me get some By the way, this is what this is the first time that he sees leia after learning that leia is his sister And so he just tells me about it another time. I quite love that delivery. It's such a yeah, I like it Yeah, ask me about it another time. He's a creepy priest man apparently Mahler, did you put these in or is it that they definitely didn't put these in because they don't help it Again They're pretty to be completely different Look at that Before when he says I don't remember my mother. It's like yeah, yeah, I was I was gonna put a lot more though I was like I want to just play the movie That was why you couldn't destroy me That's why you won't bring me to your emperor now So what do we what what happens to the star wars now? Don't give a shit star wars to me at this point. I'm like tim robinson and that sketch or he's like, I don't want to be around Then why are you talking? Don't forget Darth Vader snaps a little kid's neck In the obi-wan kanobi show Oh, yeah, that was pretty uh, and adult pretty upsetting No I'm actually on board with the criticism I uh with him killing a child No, I'm on I'm on board with the criticism of that very moment. We've talked about this a couple of times on our coverage But it's very specific. I think that vader Especially post-revenge of the sith vader, especially a decade on. He's a very pragmatic killer I don't believe that he just kills out of like malice or boredom or whatever And so the argument is why did he kill that kid there pragmatically? It's like, well, that's not what mike's saying though Well, you will get that do right? So like the marker would be that he's like he's when he's picking people up and making them scream It's like right. It's perfect. That's going to attempt a jedi obi-wan to try and help when he just yanks someone and Breaks their neck and then sort of moves on. I was like, oh Oh, well, I'm not saving him so I can't I can't do anything about that So that's like that's bad. Like yeah, I would I would go as far as saying like, oh Vader wouldn't have done that He's gonna want every last scream out of all of these people as much as possible And you know the big thing that fucks up in that scene is kanobi just runs off Like if you know we just sort of yeah, the way that kanobi is looking through the window or the door At this he has this like sort of blank expression on his face. Like he doesn't look really concerned He's just sort of observing vader and he's not and he's not fucking off with leia. He tells It's a it's a really bad scene. All problem. All bad. Um And and so him simply saying that was like brutal or whatever It's like, um, yeah, I wouldn't that wouldn't be my criticism into like vader's perfectly capable of doing brutal things or whatever But I it's it's very specific in context for I don't believe you would do that Like he drags someone across the floor while they scream I was like, yep, that's I believe you probably do that too. He's trying to tempt I'll be one out. Um Also, so someone said, uh, where's the nuclear take? That was it the one where they said Luke in the movie where he like Climaxes as his hero's journey is where he's a boring priest man who can't act This uh That was the nuclear take. Yeah, have they said that before I feel like I've heard that before I really don't think I've heard these things from them before Okay, maybe they have but I don't think so. I really I feel like that's something I'd remember if I've heard it before Maybe I just hadn't heard it before from them because I don't I definitely don't watch other content. So He was a little too mean in this don't you think No, it was the appropriate amount of the appropriate amount of Darth Vader It wasn't like the end of rogue one that hallway scene that everybody just their pants over No, that is the appropriate amount of later rogue one is out of character for him But he was in character. So Bro, when when Darth Vader allowed when he put it in the fire Like when he dragged everyone I'm pretty sure they like that. Yeah, they like when When Darth Vader allowed the rebellion to live By not sending a tie fighter or a star destroyer after them That's in character But when he's killing rebels to stop them from delivering death star plans to the rest of the rebellion That's what is that a character character? What would he be doing? Well, so listen to the reasoning. Let's do it the appropriate amount of Darth Vader It wasn't like the end of rogue one that hallway scene that everybody just their pants over Where he's just Slashing everybody and he's like a like a horror villain I have what that's that is it. Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't account any more arguments. That was it Oh, no, I don't give a shit. Oh, that's not like it Why is it out of character that you didn't say why it was out of character? You just described the scene it's so like um Defensive too in terms or like maybe an insecurity is what I would aim for because like he's like the people who jizzed over that See, it's like, can I just say that's what you're doing with this one? Yeah, when he dragged him through the fire like people jizzed over that Yeah, like First of all jizz over what you want. Just don't hurt one Is he just desperate to have to not have a popular opinion? Well, they they've always said they hate this scene. Um I've always liked it. I've always liked it I want to take up the wording he has there because what's wrong with Darth Vader being a horror villain. I don't know I legit have no idea exactly what he should be in that scene Well, that's what I love about this. This is what it would be like try to face Vader as a regular soldier And it would be horrible. I just yeah, it'd be horrifying because you can't do anything Yeah, and I love that they actually have all of them shoot at him at once and that doesn't stop him Imagine telling people about this. There's a guy out there A barrage of lasers don't do shit to him Wait, why did why do they hate this scene? Because he's made into a slasher villain. Yeah, it looks like a horror villain. I think they think it's like a fiction I have no idea. Um, I got nothing always seen that everybody just their pants over where he's just Slashing everybody and he's like a like a horror villain I have no idea that's horrible. Right. That's it actually that's the end of the Because the rest I got a cut of some other things you guys See this kind of funny. We made it. Yeah, this first one Um, so we're linked this video and I just thought it was funny But I'm really I'm gonna see you guys just take on it first. All right So it's it's pretty much the full thing to see what this is apparently it's a clip from a guy's bigger video is um And he makes like Bigger videos, but this is some kind of announcement about A poster, right? I just want to see what you think like a like a horror villain I have no idea what the marketing team over at disney and lucas film were thinking when they posted this Today on twitter star wars announced a new obi-wan kanobi a jedi returns Now many fans and myself included thought this was an announcement for a second season The poster is framed to look like a promotion for a new season and the logo just makes me think This is the title for the So let's actually before let it continue. Look at the poster Yeah It it says behind the scenes documentary. Look, can you see the fucking boom mic? There's a clue behind him That's job obi-wan kanobi text above job of the huts minions are trying to film illegally on the moisture farm Olu and kanobi wants to get them off of his is he stay away from luke Right damn press he's not gonna paparazzi. I think I mean just to throw him a bone I could see someone like looking at this and going like oh wait season two and then being like, oh no documentary like I mean It's it'd be pretty easy to pick up on the clues. I'd say no man. This is misleading marketing This is disney's trying to pull you up How dare they? On it a new behind the scenes documentary about the making of obi-wan kanobi a little bit But uh, yeah, I'll let it and now many fans and myself included thought this was an announcement for a second season The poster is framed to look like a promotion for a new season and the logo just makes me think This is the title for the second season. He's clearly reading what's on the poster to judge whether or not This is correct marketing. That's why I'm confused Normally reached from the top down. Yeah So but in fact, it's not a new season at all. It's actually but then He shows the poster to explain what it is He zoomed in on the poster Secretly at the top of the poster There's an easter egg if you can find on on on my fifth viewing of the poster I discovered some things you didn't notice about this promotional poster I've done things this stupid before. I think we all have it by the time I'm not saying No, no, it's not that we didn't notice it the first thing that you saw on the poster It's that you said that like the poster deceived you or that you were tricked or that led to believe it was a new season that's He's suggesting that it's like a common occurrence that no one's going to be reading that pot And doesn't see that that season but in fact it's not a new season at all It's actually a behind-the-scenes documentary of the first season. Now. You wouldn't be in the wrong in not realizing this It's in small text at the top That's the difference right there We've all done stuff like this before but when we realize like we don't we don't make the video I don't Justifies like And the original tweet mentions nothing about it being a documentary at all so many When you see an image in a tweet do you do you look at the image first or do you read the text? I guess I look at the image first I guess In his defense that looks like you know fill a nothing text that you know He's usually just like no that's not a different because you read it before you talk about it Like you read the poster. I usually ignore small texts like that if I'm gonna Well, that's that's kind of foolish. I'm gonna be on complete honesty. All right. My eyes went to obi one time It's himself Right. So the first thing that I go to is Obi-Wan himself Then I read Obi-Wan Kenobi a Jedi's return then my eyes for some reason I don't know if this is for everyone else immediately go to the crew Yeah, yeah And as soon as I see them, I'm like, wait, what the fuck and then I look around like a new behind the scenes document Oh, okay It's interesting because that's exactly what my order was obi-wan the text the crew the crew is like question mark Take a closer look and then then I'll that would trigger me to read a bit further and then I'll read the top Yeah, it makes sense to me So many fans in the comments believe they're going to get more Anakin Skywalker and very few are realizing This is just I mean Um, okay Okay I don't know what to say. Yeah Under all of those examples the people are like, oh, I just realized sorry. That was dumb of me I didn't blame Disney for misleading them. I should have read the poster before I commented They should have called it obi-wan Kenobi a docu series. Then no one would be confused. So it's all good I thought I was getting Kenobi season two. You thought that for four seconds And then you read the top of the poster Yeah, to me it comes across more so as you thought that for a few seconds and we're really happy And then it got taken away and you were like, I'm now. I'm annoyed like I'm annoyed you took that away This is your fault. You did this to me fucking poster. This is your fault We are yet to correct this but we'll have to wait and see for more star wars shorts Check out this one appearing on the end screen now So, yeah, oh, this is a funny clip But uh, but yeah, um if you go to his comment section almost everyone is like, it's not misleading dude It's strange that yeah, if they were trying to mislead you I feel like they wouldn't have written That this is you know what it was It's a bold strategy otherwise Maybe it's like a like at one of those social experiments, you know The like how many people won't read the poster? I just gotta say All right, you ready? I'm gonna get playing. Here we go. You know, you're not racist, right? No, no, yeah His expression what he feels awesome is like a deer in headlights like Exactly. You have to think about it and his eyes are wondering. Can we watch that again? That was like, you know, you're not racist, right? No Why is like it's terrifying It's like, oh no, be caught out. What do I do? I will I guess in the lefty club that he wants to be a part of just like that's the most horrifying thing anyone could just like ask you I mean, it's just it really comes across as like wait, let me think though Which is so weird Just no, yeah According to most of his current audience and you know the extreme left everything like that He would have he's done heaps of things in the past They would easily construe as racist, but it's not getting attacked because currently is an ally and so It'd be funny as fuck if he has to get like Problematic things all the time If you have to get like a opinion updates to know what his current opinions are like because he just follows the crowd Whoever he like looks behind. He's like, are we racist? We're not racist, right? Are we right? He was off screen holding up the side. She's just violently shaking her head. No. No, no, no, no, we're not You're not racist, right? No The eyes dotting left and right We got two nos and a yes Now I found I was on my phone. I was looking at some youtube shorts. I don't recommend it and I ended up seeing this video and I thought it was fucking hilarious So many of these go viral and they're like, I think they start I wouldn't be surprised these were made by literal fucking robots. It's like, did you know facts about movies? Some of them are so fucking weird. So let's let's check this out Can we pause just for a second just because you bring up shorts, right? Because I've I've been forced my hand has been forced to actually Dabble in shorts and it is it is insane how much. Yeah, what's the story behind that and growth? Oh, this is the thing, right? It is insane how much youtube is pushing shorts over regular content So they're trying to be like tick-tocking I've made three shorts and the views they've gotten is pretty insane One in particular has been getting 14 000 views per hour for the last, you know, 12 hours I can't believe I thought you had to do that Dang No, that's the thing like I I don't wait Sorry, if I can clarify I think there's a purpose for it I think I've implied something I didn't mean to I don't think shorts are inherently bad I'm I'm saying the ones I keep getting fucking fed a shit Hmm. No, this is the thing, right? I don't necessarily like shorts I think there's a purpose for them, right? But at the moment YouTube is not preferencing traditional content nearly as much Especially to newer viewers and that's what I mean about my hand being forced It's like if I want to, you know, ensure growth on my channel I'd really need to do them and I think I found a way that, you know, is incorporated them in a decent enough way But the the amount after doing these shorts the amount that I'm just seeing youtube push them and preference them over Regular content. It's crazy Which is really hard to remember because like I'm pretty sure I watched your um, your short on sword oils or whatever and I yeah That's the one that's going crazy at the moment. Well, because I I saw that thanks to the feed though like the regular feed. No, what I'm like I don't think you feel anything wrong about making something like that. Oh, so fine Well, yeah, I think I found a way to integrate and to support the uh, my mainstream content like It's weird though Do you want to say how hilarious it is to me? Like if someone was like, what short would you make? Well, I was like you tell a format in which I have about five seconds. Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, and they're like, what would I even put in there half a point? I don't even know what I would do It's hard as well because like youtube has always facilitated short form content So why does there need to be a special category of content on I don't really know what they're doing because oh my god They should make another one just to long boys make a tab on the youtube homepage When are we gonna get the multi youtube long video in short form just a bunch of shorts Part one of 13,000 part one of 336. Yeah Well, anyway, you get a lot of the they are I'm almost certain There's like farms that are trying to get access to any quarter sort of like benefits with this and you see some weird ones Here's an example. Did you notice this about scarlet witch's red outfit and doctor strange multiverse of madness? In the mcu villains tend to wear green In movies green represents envy and jealousy. Oh, that is true in movies. So we're off to a really weird start like Enemies tend to wear green because it represents envy and jealousy Is What is vulture envy and jealous of what is green goblin envious and jealous? I I suppose you could make arguments I would rather focus on the fact that he said like that's just like he's implying as a commonality in the mcu Which is like that's not true And then the red skull is red There's orange, I guess I guess Well, I mean the hulk is Is like gray and red And then what who we got next? Winter soldier nobody's green in that And I go to the next one got into the galaxy. Gamora is the good guy and she's green the bad guy's purple And then age of ultron. He's like gray and red ant man. He's yellow jacket I don't think you're not making a very good point. I don't think you've been smirching the color green I think you are Fringy, Fringy, you're you're green I am green and I take effect Envious slash jealous of I think that that is just a weird sort of thing to lump on green. Oh fringy. This video gets even better It sounds pretty jealous. I don't know maybe it's right All of you just wait. This is the fucking logic is flawless You might have heard of the phrase green with indy And the heroes Scarlet witch wears red She is a hero red You guys you guys gotta wait for it to finish. I swear to god. Just just save all of your reactions. Okay, wait You gotta wait Wait wait for the static to go. That's when it's over in jealousy You might have heard of the phrase green with indy And the heroes tend to wear red Scarlet witch wears red She is a hero But in doctors strange multiverse of madness Scarlet witch is a villain even though she still wears red However, if you recalled When strange in america came to earth 8 3 8 Are you kidding me? You've got to be kidding I'm waiting for this No, I get it Oh wait, was that it? And that is it Traffic light switching Oh no Or shadowing This is not one of the most coloring fucking stupidest things you've ever seen What is the traffic light jealous of I don't get it Are colored based on the comics that were drawn and colored decades ago No, it's based on whether or not they agreed with envy Is the red traffic light a hero What is red supposed to represent you you brought up with green means? Why did you not bring up with red? Red means hero Red skull is a hero rags I think tons of times red is often a villainous color like the red lights averson star wars red eyes red skull Yes, exactly Fucking satan He's one of those famous bad guys From disney satan's a hero Remember the remember in league of extraordinary gentlemen the evil version of mr. Hyde was red. Yeah That's so they fucked that up Just to clarify he brings up more dough Mordo wears green their full villain and you could classify him as antagonist in this movie But villain is a I don't know about that regardless. He's clearly classifying as like he's a bad guy. He's wearing green What world is mordo in again the one with the light switch? Oh, no, he must so red is green green is red a corner. That's why red means Bad guy now and green means good guy Also, do you want to remind me what the most prominent color on doctor strange is in his full gear? Hmm, I'd probably go with red I guess especially the cape. Yeah, and the cape isn't evil. That's a it's a loyal boy. Exactly You know, I think you're right. Well, I think that was made a lot by a content farm It feels Um, but there was another one that he that he said's doctor strange multiverse of madness rather than into the in the multiverse Yeah, it's entirely broken english. It's just really weird, but I don't even know where they got this point from Someone write this in a tweet or something It must just be an algorithmic thing that just is made to get clicks Amazing, but yeah, there's another one that I watched right after We go on red. Throw these both in here. It's red Did you know that scarlet witch and doctor strange multiverse of madness her outfit is very similar to that of magneto The color pattern is like all you can cling on to I know that they're connected in the comics, but You're reaching you're which one is scarlet witch The closest connection is that in the comic books, they make her like, you know Thing somewhat similarly shaped to the pattern on magneto's helmet. That's like the most connection you can really draw It's just funny that he's he's like clearly put these two costumes on to be like, isn't it crazy? They're so similar and you're like, what? The small cutout on her neckline is her way of keeping vision close to her heart Isn't that great when she completely forgot about him in the whole movie? Oh my god, the small cutout on her neckline is her way of keeping vision close to her heart Yes It is similar to vision mindstones really close to the heart. There you go. Uh, yeah I just like I said I find it hilarious that she Very prominently forgets him in the movie. Like yeah, he's never mentioned it all in any way or even referenced in any way There are mentions of him if you remember when she says I blew the hole out of the Head of my well, but like I mean no reference in relation to the dream stuff Or the dream worlds not he's not in the ideal worlds which makes you wonder Which is weird Socket when she was fighting the Illuminati. This is not blood on her face An earlier scene when she breached the compact she fought against the Ultron bots in this bot cam One of the bot that was blown to bits splashed oil on her face One of the one which of the boss just like oh Okay, this statue that looks like scarlet witch is modeled after the hindu goddess Kali Kali is the goddess of time Destruction and she is also considered a strong mother figure The acronym for multiverse of madness is Looking for her two sons America is a daughter looking for her two moms The movie was released friday may 6th the week before mother's day Oh This is where I mean, I see stuff like this on the youtube shows like what the fuck do you make this for? What is the point of this? People who just like eat this shit up. It gets hundreds of thousands of uploads. I was just like why? That's because people are stupid nowadays Nowadays I know well, I feel like what the internet where you become much more aware of them Just yeah, I'm by the way. Sorry for blowing your mind to that chat. I know you're like, whoa I didn't realize it's like yeah magneto. I like you didn't even make a point for that. You just said they look similar Yeah, exactly A lot of people. Oh you ready? Oh boy. Oh, yeah You get some she-hulk opinions. He's already made another video Jonathan people were a little upset at him for what he says in here. I threw just a couple quotes for mother's day A lot of people's annoyances on this series is going to be on a few things whether or not They buy that she is as powerful or as good without training as as hulk, right? So you're gonna get a lot of people complaining about that And like alex said it wasn't as bad as I thought the trailer kind of tricked you into thinking that you know She's always kicking his ass. She's on par with him. You know He's better than oh, that's okay better than him better than him and some very key points That it's more like well, is there anything he beats her on quote unquote Throwing the rocket doesn't even beat her. She's got better blood on him She doesn't try to throw it into orbit though. She had she almost looks embarrassed for him that he got insecure about it You know, this is true. Um, but you got the clapping. She essentially beat him on that. She uh She beat him on the balance. She beat him on the stomping To the point where he got really upset Beat him on self-control changing. Oh, absolutely back at will like smashed him She had a very big speech about how she's much better than him at that So Yeah, uh, you know, it's a bit awkward. It's like, oh man He's perfect Even if he was right like if they were on par wouldn't that still be dumb wouldn't that still suck for the very reasons? He just highlighted. He said like she's got no Understanding or perspective on anything that's even happening. But um, you know, even from a perspective like a logistic He just he's like fucking three times the size of her like doesn't All that mass Yeah, he's he's way bigger than she is That's what she said No No doubt they at least make it look like that at least in a What? Unpissed off form. This is not hulk. You know Pissed off fighting Thanos, right? This is hulk trying to teach his fucking cousin how to control her powers and she's being a little fucking butt head And she's fighting him and he's not, you know So I buy that she can hang with him in this particular way and then I thought to myself like why do I care? Who the fuck cares? Whether she hulk is as powerful as hulk, right? A lot of fans wait for it. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait They're fictional characters. I don't give a shit Hey, joey agri joey, what about superman? That's different Another story where superman's evil it's fictional different. He loves superman He would go nuts if people tried to use that excuse to play off inconsistent power Really mad like when batman beats superman and fights he always says Like oh, yeah, because it's batman and nobody cares about superman who cares the fictional characters who cares if one beats the other This is like a you don't care about hulk or she-hulk. I guess like that's all this is I'm such an inconsistent standard. Well, look, I like joey. Generally. He has some really bad takes and this is one of them Um, I find that his video game takes a much better when it comes to media stuff He usually has a very normie kind of perspective Yeah, this one like oh my goodness just disregarding, you know Hey, man Hopefully joe didn't give a shit that uh joel got beaten the fuck out in the last of us too because really he's fictional Some like is even a revelation they don't real it's like really Why did you say it joe? Why there's Whether she hulk is as powerful as hulk, right? They're fictional characters I don't give a shit and then people are well, okay, you know He was went through Avengers and all this other trainers like bro She wasn't using his full power and why does it bother you so much? I thought you just said you didn't care Clearly you give a shit to think about this You know, I mean like you don't care that's it. Is that the theme of this anniversary people tell you Mike doesn't care about stavos No, we've had three people that don't care right now. So I just if you're gonna tell me like I don't care But hulk wasn't that his full rage power was she was she had a full rage power too? Is that how this balances? I thought you say you didn't care. Why you try to argue it? If in fact they want to make her as powerful and that's I I really analyzed I said, you know what? I don't care if they if marvel wants to be like, yes She's as powerful. Okay. Here is the power rating eight out of Eight on hulk and she is and 7.8 out of eight Also, I need to call bullcrap on this because they could have made her As strong as hulk. That's not necessarily the issue. The issue is how quickly she learns and picks up stuff That is established because the back story that it took ages for hulk to do They could have justified it They don't and then there's all this other stuff that undermines so much about it That makes it feel very cheap and marry sue on top of it. And so it's not just the power level It's how much control she gets how easily it is for adept to so many of the problematic things that Should be in regards to this power. It's also Yeah, I'm actually a waman. Of course, you would pick this is all of immediately Which the the I guess that the the struggle I have with it all is just that We kind of figured it would happen and it just did Like exactly what you wouldn't really want to see at all and this sucks because like you said If she obliterates him entirely on the physical side, like, okay, well at least he's got the mental one, right? It's like, no But I do understand why people would have an issue with it because look, this is the other inconsistency She's as strong as hulk. What appears to be okay. She's not as big as him She doesn't have as much muscle mass and other things like that And so she just just visually she doesn't look like she should be strong as strong as the hulk anyway And if you go back to the comic book lore, she's no in like isn't she even barely half the strength of hulk canonically according to the comic books But yeah, no, she can't do everything that he can do but hulk's power like he's got his base level power, but then He's stronger the angrier he is so that's why like abomination is technically stronger than hulk when hulk's just like at base level hulk And that's what abomination doesn't like No, like that's the big like thing when he first fights him Is that hulk beats him because abomination knows he's stronger than him But he doesn't know that his power depends on his anger So the angrier bruce gets the stronger he becomes as hulk So if he was super pissed off fighting jinn, he could kill her On hulk, I don't give a fuck, you know So once you kind of let go of that then you know that kind of stuff doesn't bother me When you let go of it, it doesn't bother me Just like You don't care you don't care He's having a character thing like it's It's not as subtle and it's not as polished it is definitely rush But I mean, I just think that they just like well already in sorry does that happen Of course it happens. Yeah, what are you referring to? Female um female problems like catcalling and stuff. I should have put more of it in What? Basically, uh, sorry. I think that guy's name is alex right the one on the in the middle. Um, I think so. Yeah I should have included more context. He's he basically says they're way too overt with the points They're making in regards to that. He looks like a stan and then uh, that's joe's response. So that's the context They're talking about the sort of misogyny elements of she hulk and representing it But I mean, I just think that they just like well already in sorry does that happen Of course it happens. Yeah And so do they have a right to depict it over and over again and then have another scene where it's like She goes through infinitely more anger than you on a daily basis because she's a woman and you're non It's like come on. It's like it's not that there's any you ever had a period alex Oh my god You have a try to kill yourself Let him speak he's about to tell us about his experiences on the rags Oh Sorry, do not lump me into Leading you to rye of women. Oh my god. People say look at alex's face Like what do you say? Well, first off like you haven't either so you have no clue But I have a strange fee. I'd rather have a period than go through what bruce banner has gone through I'm gonna take the risk I'm gonna gamble on the idea that having a period might not be as bad As the kind of suffering that bruce banner has personally gone through in his life Well, after the human population somehow is able to carry through each day Even though they might have a period The context is an alley It wasn't alex saying that you know, it's annoying that she's trying to say that she's uh deals with more anger all the time than bruce and Joe is responding to that. Ah, but do you have a period almost like it's a defense that he's saying periods make women Angrier on average, I guess so I guess that's what he's saying and and that you know as much as yeah Yeah, that's it. That's it. You know just because bruce has been shot at many times in his life That only happens. Well like seven times in a year or something or maybe even spaced out more than that So really, you know, he's over it. He's moved on He doesn't get to move on So bruce was experimented on as a child by his father. He watched his father one time No, no beat his mother Every month Yeah, that's like reoccurring Oh my god You told her you know about like a couple like a couple times a month like Yeah, he had to witness his dad beating his mom like how many times like once or twice Yeah, that's not that's not as bad. So Much more than once or twice, but okay a hundred times. Let's still last with you Even if it was a thousand times Oh my god, you have to respect fucking retarded. He's gone through so much more, okay And Anna, I know from experience with my wife, but you know just to get also your your thing The periods just inherently make you angry when you get him. It's just it's it's an anger triggering mechanism Anna smash Then when I'm on my period menstrual rage Oh my god Yeah, yeah She goes through infinitely more anger than you on a daily basis because she's a woman and you're not it's like come on It's like it's not that there's any you ever had a period Alex You know what's weird about this is that does she even bring up periods in the episode? I don't think so She brings up being cat called They should have put that in there and like men talking down to her Oh my god That's exactly what she's doing to hulk, but no, I mean some women don't even like get phased by their periods So him just automatically saying it's because of our periods that make us that way. Oh, you're yourself, Joe Yeah, it implies you can't handle your periods Like of course you're angry Anna to deal with your own body. No, oh my god Well, fuck this shit God Welcome to eFat when we check out other people's opinions and get every You know, I watched eFat for for years, but it's one it's a different thing Actually being on and having the headache of dealing with retarded people like this It's uh, it's something else. Yeah, uh, no, but she we didn't bring up periods at all, but it's like I've been true What's he Yeah Damn alex we will grab me on your booty and honestly, I don't give a fuck if No, that's not no one's touching you if you're being Yeah, I know alex we will grab me on your booty And honestly, I don't give a fuck if if marvel wants to make her as powerful as the hulk I don't think she deserves that yet. You know, I think but at the same time You don't care of course, but she doesn't deserve it Sounds like you And you're trying to deflect possible criticism from the ultra-progressive crowd I don't think well. Have you ever had a period chat? Yeah, maybe you should sit down I just listen and why don't you man spread go ahead. We know you love to do It's funny. She's just played that Yes, she has better balance. They do one particular thing and I'm like, do I buy that? That a female would have better balance than a man. No, it's not Why why is that what came to your mind? Why is that the way you figure this out needs to be a male female dichotomy thing? Irradiated monsters is like well, she's a girl Has she practiced balancing? Is she an acrobat? Is she like like a balance based athlete of some sort? Doesn't she balance her like her whole body on a finger? Like I think even if you had the strength to do that, I feel like you'd have to really practice Absolutely, dude. Exactly. Yeah, the whole point is how you how could you know how to do that immediately? You've never done it before. It's like, well, she's a woman. Like what the fuck does that have to do with what? Oh my god, I guess I'm just gonna say this it might be a hot take but typically men are better at athletic things than women So in terms of balance, I don't think there's probably not a I have no idea I don't think there's a statistically if one's right Women might be better If we want to break it down, I know plenty of women and they're not very good at balance as compared to men They're not good at balanced Let's break this down. Okay balance usually like Having greater endurance and strength to be able to maintain position will help balancing out And men usually have an advantage in those regards All right, so I found a study from 2019 age and sex differences in human balance performance from age six to 18 years of age A systematic review and meta-analysis Now the abstract states that the results are that 21 studies blah blah blah blah Um conclusions, uh our systematic review and meta-analysis revealed better balance performance in adolescents compared to children Irrespective of the measured measure considered same sex differences sex related differences were inconsistent These findings may have implications for uh example in terms of trainability of balance in youth that should be investigated in future studies That's another lesson so in conclusion This other thing says research appears that men score higher in balance tests than women However, this says that being a girl Was favorable for measures of static steady-state balance or as boys performed better in terms of proactive balance Interesting. Wow She helped better Of course, yeah, if you're completely untrained. I mean you're doing much yoga her whole life. Sure So that doesn't bother me. I buy that if you ignore that the hulk has been doing some serious battle training for the past 15 years Oh I feel like it's slightly of concern Yeah, why would you say you have to ignore everything? I mean like they're like do would you think it would be meaningful for her when she tries to balance to be like Wow, it feels like I have so much more control over my body now It's like i'm like a and then he's like a superhero like no not that or something like he's trying to lead her a certain way But she's she's discovering how much her body is capable of and balance is among those things I'm just gonna say instead of instead of getting a lot of strength She gets a lot of like precision control over her body. She becomes very acrobatic in a sense Which is not the case I don't know and they what they're trying to justify it because she did yoga It's like doing yoga is one thing then balancing the way that she was doing is a completely separate thing If your entire body changes, it's gonna alter your ability to balance Yeah, probably Yeah, some serious battle training for the past 15 years and I don't know Essentially fought in many many battles. I'm actually looking forward to the next episode. My final verdict is also a seven out of What Firmly above average that's I want to know what his Two or three years. Yeah, exactly. It's something that he just doesn't like whatever that may be He liked she-hawk how long will it take before he turns on it I couldn't even begin to answer. Well, I mean the show will get worse. It always gets worse, right? So Seems to be that way Yeah Um Yeah, all right. Fuck. I meant to put this in the in that compilation, but I forgot Oh, sorry. So now the way we'll have to sync this is everyone loads this up and then we all have to sync being pressing play Okay, okay Love it through reddit And unfortunately, that's 40 seconds of Hassan. You're just gonna have to let play you can't you can react to it No, no Tom Scott, I see. Oh, did I not apologize? I'm sorry But it's necessary Um, yeah, this this popped up on the subreddit. I thought it was funny. So is everyone on zero Yep, one guy. Wait, let me make sure it plays when I click. Okay. So I'm I'm ready. Great. So we three One go people should get paid when they use other people's content without the permission dude Hold on here Oh You use someone else's content without their permission you use someone else's content without their permission You use someone else's content without their permission Again, you have already used someone else's content without the permission. That's actually completely unacceptable That is really really fucked up That's really fucked up, uh, why would you thank god? I'd ban burkas. Well, well, you're getting banned now It's not the same. It is exactly the same that Wow, he is actually Like I think Hasan is one of those literal stupid people like normally we call people stupid But it's just an insult. He it's a description of him is that he's stupid. He's an actual stupid person He's one of those people on the bottom side of 100 that drags the average down. He's one of them Yeah The voice it's just kind of amazing because he was for anyone who doesn't know he was referring to emotes as stolen When his the criticism people are making of him is that he's taking people's content and using it to entertain his audience while he makes money If anybody any differences there is not exactly the same Isn't that emote a public twitch one that's just like instantly available Um, so this is actually the funny thing If it is a publicly available twitch emote, then yeah, you get that by being a part of their platform through terms of service You're not stealing anything if it belongs to a streamer and you've paid subscription you get access to the emotes If oh you're paying it if it's yeah that if it's a Frank of Facy or BTTV where you're getting emotes because you personally upload them and then have access to them via the this channel extensions I can let you do that people can steal emotes that way and I don't think that's good If someone like makes their own channel emotes even with their own artwork And then they're like if you support me you get access to them as a fun little back and forth and then someone just goes I'm just going to upload I'll download the images upload them myself and then I'll have access to those emotes and you can't stop me because I have an extension Yeah, I think that would be so if that's what that guy was doing then yeah, that is lame Um, it's still not as bad. However, but compared to it's still not as bad as stealing someone's stuff and making money off it Yeah, where is skin sam It's just nice to know He's he's still getting criticism for stealing people's shit, but he ain't stopping Well, of course, that's how he makes money. Oh, I was gonna say why the fuck would he stop? Yeah Well, what was his response to that? Can you imagine making 10 hours of high quality content a day or something like that? It's like no you can't That's why you steal it. Um Well How are we doing? Oh, we're we could call I think that makes a lot of sense Actually to do the gap here the next break. Oh, wow, really? Yeah, let's do it. Well, I mean we will have to talk for another like 10 minutes while I set up Oh What will we talk about what can't we talk about? How are you guys How about uh, how about uh, what makes a good story? Oh god Probably we probably very broadly line up on that. I'm sure we do. Yeah 100% I doubt we I doubt we have much Yeah Really? Oh a big old the big old tail and he's friendly and fluffy and he does tricks and he knows his name And he's just cute and he's curious and he wants to he just wants to be your friend And he wants to be everyone's friend, you know, you know, he's just really incredible Yeah Oh someone suggested politics What am politics are All right, I think we did it. There we go. We saw I'm against politics I'm I'm for politics Are you gonna be talking about house of the dragon at all? Is that already being talked about? Oh You and I will Yeah, that's a whole I I decided to insulate e-fap away from it. Fringian rags have no fucking clue what's going on It's dragons. You know, it's all this crazy shit. They gotta they gotta focus on shulk They gotta focus on rings of power when that falls out. Oh, yeah, and of course they got amdor on the way as well, so You might even say where we get boiled Mahler is doing four we're bringing I we called it at three. We're like three shows That's all you're getting out of us our contract says Three shows at a time only No more That's the limit. You gotta start paying us over time if you want us to watch four Yes, he is that is the guy he's really kidding his own fucking show. Oh my Authority planned out to have I think five seasons Or How Yeah, so I remember someone laying it out from from disney It was like the season one and two will cover year Like five years out from rogue one then three years out and then it'll be like year two and then a few months He's gonna the series is going to end and it'll link right up with uh with the beginning of rogue one apparently That's something they want to do. I don't know why The crazy thing is that this show legitimately looks like the one with the most potential Also, hey Yeah, the uh He gave six episodes for the show about obi-wan Kenobi. Do you want to know any episodes that already confirmed for season one for andal? What are they doing over there? Oh, I guessed it Star Wars know the name and I Star Wars was a movie franchise for a bit there Ryan No offense to Ron Howard really because it's more than just his fault But also, you know solo and and JJ's both of JJ's attempt like they genuinely fucking destroyed a major franchise Like they're making such shitty films and it scared them from making movies. They like well Terrified With patty jenkins at the helm and now that's not happening. No, it's fans who ruin star wars Isn't it so funny? Like it's it's such a common thing now when people get to work on a huge franchise And then like destroy it and bail out to move on to the next project because dnd they get higher to do more stuff Well, because didn't dnd the reason why they they wrapped up game of thrones so quickly Which seems everybody agrees that that show needed more seasons because they wanted to do a star wars show Yeah, HBO agreed George Aramardon agreed everyone on board agreed that that show needed like 10 seasons and they were like no we got to go And now they're not even doing that star wars show. They're sitting in their apartment with a bowl like just You know what you heard from them Radio silent In the star wars films and then bailed out to have like a massive 100 million More than that like 500 million dollar deal with water brothers to make dc films None of which have even been made or like past development yet Dude, I can picture The two of them sitting in that room and the camera slowly pans for like a good five minutes until one of them just Finally goes it didn't need 10 seasons. You know, I didn't need 10. No, no not 10 It's not 10 seasons that are ridiculous A bowl I have they been blacklisted because of how bad season 8 was I'm sure well Are they doing um the three body problem? I don't know are they? Next show will be 20 seasons and about d.o No Oh my god. Fuck. Yeah You was my favorite character deal and babu Babu's pretty cool That's it. Hey, you guys heard of mmt Oh, no He's not the drug. Here go the analytics. Wait a second. I'm gonna help you guys fall asleep. Let me teach you about mmt That's we need to do the opposite Bring you go still a while left. Yeah, you were at the two thirds mark We still got another I'll have to check out the time what was the full time on the uh The first one was it eight hours and I think the first one was eight hours. This one's been nine hours. Yeah This is 9 18 right now. So hours. Yeah, don't worry for any I will for the sake of you and rags and me find out exactly to the minute how many we have to do He's just gonna say 24 hours. Bye In the stream mid-sentence a secret What who's who do you got lined up who's the next crew for the next Well, this is so I've actually said before the third stream This is the one where most people aren't even around anymore. Everyone's either asleep or ran off to the respective areas of earth to do life things. I'm going to bed. So but you guys I need to head to bed We're gonna get probably gonna be in the same. It's like 5 a.m Look at me. I can sleep it a bit That's it. Yeah, that's three What's the time you guys you guys are ending at 11 though right 11 Well 11 a.m in california is where you're I think ending and we start such an adam at One so you guys will end two hours before us It is 7 a.m for me. Why don't you come on? Why don't you just like You know what? That's right moller. If you never go to bed you don't have to wake up I'm pretty sure with your gary stream. You can jump on gays stream I'm pretty sure drinker is going to text me about a catch-up for open bar superchats that are happening today as well I'm pretty sure it's gonna really so I might just be able to just surf streams for another 24 hours Oh my god, that's insane. I don't want to This would be cruel and unusual, okay Yeah, I think it would you gotta get some sleep, man Oh, I don't tell me that yet. I got a whole bunch of time left to do just take a little Look, they got a map between the EFAP chat I've got to hear me ringing rags at least for another six seven hours Whatever talk about meteor and how it's real great. Oh, they gotta get it They fix. Yep. I'm so tired. I can't wait to sleep. Oh, it's gonna be so good I will say I like sleep enough as it is, but when you are like hyper tired sleep is pretty amazing Oh, I know Yeah, don't talk about needing sleep. You're like joe talking about periods Oh Have you ever slept joe? Yeah, joe. What do you know about it? Joseph What do you know about what do you know about sacrifice? Or what do you know about sleep? Nacrifice to more like More like gay Damn, dude Yeah, for me, it will begin shortly. Oh, no, I guess that kind of doesn't mean we're gonna have to be saying goodbye in a sec Oh, we've got 60 seconds, huh? This is like gone in 60 seconds right here. I think it's already done with the 60s For me, it will begin shortly Oh, it does. Can we trust that youtube often lies? It does. Yeah, don't dead open inside All right I it's the first episode of the walking dead. It's the first issue of the walking dead comic Oh, is it the same in the comic? Look at that No, I I think it I'm pretty sure I think it's straight in the episode on the x-ray that The whole door thing it looks goofy because that's literally how it reads don't dead open inside and it's like Okay, I got the comic here I love don't dead open inside is great That's gonna have like negan and what maggie as the stars, right? Even though like There's a show called don't dead open inside I don't know what it's called people call it don't dead open inside because of adam Oh my god, who do you think is playing the harmonica? Adam's fucking evil I didn't know this Do I just join in with the keyboard? Oh It started so goodbye hallucinating chromatica noises and we'll be back after some battle. Okay Bip Oh my goodness