 So my name is Steven Shetman and I have been part of the CWU Des Moines major since its inception in 2004, I believe. And this is Dr. Pereira, Leanne Pereira who is going to deliver the presentation today. She's been here for five years and she went to Central in Ellensburg as my grad assistant and thesis student. So we are longtime friends and she's such a whiz that after those experiences I hired her to work here as quickly as she finished her PhD. Actually in the middle of it. In the middle of it. And she finished a year early which is really incredible because this job was open and closing rapidly. So she's a major success story. And I think just to jump in, so I can speak to, I'm also part of the online, I teach half online, half in Des Moines and then I went to Ellensburg. So I can answer questions about, you might have about any of the three settings or options for you guys. The presentation is super short and there's two of you so you can have, ask all the questions you want at the end and we'll try and make sure you at least have everything you need to make a decision. You good? And I'll try again if there's any other question I do work online and also in Ellensburg. Right. So there was one little slick there that most of this information is taken from. Do you guys both, I can just ask you now. Are you both already studying some parts of psychology? So you're kind of aware of the jobs that are available in psychology in the fields. Generally you think it's like the human services or you think of things like helping professions can be in schools, clinics, community outreach. The psychology really kind of lends itself to that and we think of that naturally. But I think it also lends itself well to working in businesses. Things like human resources, things about transitioning it into and from work or industrial and organizational psychology. So I think sometimes we think about the kind of narrow field of psychology where we do counseling group or individual but there's lots of fields that are available for students. And so you'll see as we'll go through some of the courses we have courses that do speak to the traditional ideas of psychology but also things that can prepare you as well as having minors for other fields that use the skills from psychology. Does that make sense? Okay, I'm going, the toggle thing isn't working so I'm going to click over this way. So again, these are just some of the ideas of jobs. I'd say in the last three years I have students that worked for the Department of Health after graduating, the Department of Human Services. I've had students that are in human resources. They're doing case work, case management, they're acting social workers all with a bachelor's in psychology. So there is options to get into the field straight from your bachelor's degree. We'll talk about grad school a little bit later. And then also my background is in educational psychology so I look at a lot of educational impacts of learning in psychology. So I've had students that have ended up working in special ed and studied things more to do with the context of schools. And so their experience at Central has kind of led to them being able to work in the schools. Do you want to add to anything? No, I'm right with educational psychology, I'm an organizational psychologist as an example of the multiple areas that you can come from and go into. And go into. Okay, so we have two majors. The one that exists online and at Des Moines is the 45 credit major. So it doesn't mean you get to take fewer credits because the other one is 60 credits. It just means you take a few more electives that might be outside the field of psychology. Okay, so you are required to have a minor. So this is one of those instances where if you're interested in something like human resources or business or other aspects of psychology, you would pull in a minor that might help you go towards that kind of career path. Okay, so you're still taking the same number of credits. You just take fewer psychology than you do an area, I call it an area of concentration. Sociology is a popular one. Some people double major with interdisciplinary studies and psychology. So you can take a nice smattering of different classes across liberal arts and sciences, and that can go through your interdisciplinary degree. And then you also get a Bachelor's with your psychology. Do you want to add to that? We at Des Moines have minors in sociology for sure. Law and justice, we call it, I think it's criminal justice at Highline, and then also business as well as human resources. So those are the, I would say, the most popular minors at Des Moines. Online you can do, I just noticed this today, we just started a minor in accessibility. Services, which is really, I think, a tremendous minor for psychology majors, and then also you name it. We have students that have earned minors in creative writing. So if you're an online student or you can earn an online minor, it doesn't matter where you are in terms of taking your major, there are a whole bunch of minors. Family studies is also very popular. So the requirements down here, this is talking to getting accepted into the program officially. So you need to have a 2.25 coming in, and you need to have taken Psych 101 and get a C or higher. Okay? Psych 100 here. Right. Well, what would be like 2.0? Yes. So you need just above a C, average. We really don't like to have students that have a 1.9 in Psych 101, because I bet you have to have a little conversation. And really, Psych 101 is a prerequisite for most of the other classes, and if you are struggling with the foundation of psychology, sometimes it's hard to do well in the advanced. So we like you to have a nice, solid understanding, and then you're able to kind of better jump to the higher level courses. Okay, 60 credit. The short version of this is that you have to take one extra class in statistics and research methods. So we have a sequence of statistics where you learn how to analyze data, research methods, where you learn how to design a study, and then in the last course for the 60 credit major, you actually conduct a study. And so for a 60 credit major, that is the major that's available in Ellensburg. It has a lab component, and so that really needs to be done in person, and then you need to do some data collection. So that is, right now, it is focused and concentrated in the Ellensburg campus. But that's the main difference for psychology. After that, you have a few more, you have a fewer number of electives, and you have to take extra credits outside of your core classes, which we'll look at in a second, to make up to 60 credits. Do you have anything, Steve? But you can see the grade point average and the minimum requirements are the same for both programs. It doesn't require a minor or other major, so that top line there should say it doesn't require a minor. We can delete that shortly. Okay. Yeah. This may be far-fetched, but is it possible to do, like, your whole, to do 45 units plus other related fields here and just go to Ellensburg just to do that? Yeah. So 363 was offered in Des Moines, and we just didn't have enough students that were taking it. So we had, sometimes I've had online students who then transferred for the one quarter to Des Moines to take 363 when it was offered here, and we actually have two students that went over to Ellensburg just for the quarter to finish up the 60 credit. I think some people make the decision at the beginning and then sort of realize, oh, maybe I don't necessarily want the larger major, maybe I want this minor instead. And so people come in and then kind of change their minds and just give you flexibility. You can definitely change to the 60 credit major and go to Ellensburg, and it's offered most quarters, and it's offered in the summer as well. So there's lots of flexibility if that's what you wanted to do. And fall is the nicest quarter in Ellensburg, which are the two students that are over there right now. You are like, where am I? The North Pole? Yeah. So they went over for one of them to do 363. She went over fall. And the other one is completing her minor in art. And so those classes weren't offered here, so for two quarters she's gone there to finish her minor, and then they'll both be back in spring. And the art minor student is going to then go into a master's in art therapy. That's her plan right now. Yeah, this is really important. When you apply to Central Washington University, you are applying to the university. You're applying to Des Moines, Ellensburg, online. When you apply the programs, you have a site, but it's pretty flexible. It's 100% flexible in terms of where you take the classes unless you're online. We have some priorities because we have a ton of online students, and they get first crack at it. My understanding at UW is that if you're a UW Seattle student that's taken to the University of Washington, Tacoma, or Buffalo. That's not the case with us. Washington State is the same. On their online, I believe you are in Washington State online versus Washington State Poland, or they have a Bellevue now. So being here at Des Moines, I've had students from Ellensburg who have come and taken the class because they happen to be on the west side for a quarter, so it can work both ways. Family issues, work, internship, so they just take something here. I've had students from Pierce campus who come to take something at Des Moines because they prefer to take it in person in that particular quarter. So there's lots of flexibility. Run out of money in Ellensburg and say, hi, mom and dad. I need to come back home. There's that, too. So these are just the general classes. This is the class I was talking about, the sequence. This is the statistics, and this is the research methods. These other two classes are kind of the bookend, getting you ready to finish the program here, and at the end, it's what did you learn in your time here. And so the other one is Psych 101, which you guys, or 100, which you guys have taken already coming in. So the official idea, I think it's not necessarily necessary. I'm the person who teaches research methods here. I think research methods is one of the hardest classes in the program, and I do think that people that have at least an introduction and exposure to it, in my experience, completely anecdotal, they seem to do a bit better when they get here because they've been exposed to some of the ideas and the concepts, some of the language, right? It just seems like a different language. So to come in, especially in a quarter system and then try to figure out the language and all of it and design a study, it's nice if they've taken it beforehand. So it wouldn't count for your methods. That's my theory, yeah. And I think particularly for different graduate school programs, they often look at some core classes and usually research methods across programs is one of the grades that they look at. So for me, in terms of being strategic, I'd kind of want that nice buffer beforehand and then come and take it at the 300 level. But you find as well it's one of the hardest classes, right? Yeah. And I think that's just kind of par for the course. We have 180 credits to graduate from Central Washington University. I'm pretty sure that's the case with UW because they're on quarter system. So every class that you take, that high line that's a higher level than 100 counts as credits toward your graduation up to 105. You can take, you can transfer it to CWU 105 credits from community college. So our students have 105 credits coming from here and they have five psychology classes and they're about great. It's just a body of knowledge. Just make sure it's like 100 is one of ours. Yeah, exactly. It's probably a prerequisite for some of your classes as well, right? Yeah. Right. Same. Okay. So we have our things organized by groups. Again, this is to give you that kind of broad platform to study psychology in general. And that doesn't mean that you are limited to taking one class from each group. If that's a particular area of interest for you, then take more classes. But to make sure that you guys have a foundation in all different aspects of psychology, we've broken down to groups. So you have to take one class from each of the groups and then you've fulfilled your core courses along with the other requirements from the previous slides. Then it's up to you. So for example, a lot of students want to take the introduction to clinical and community counseling. What is that? What's the difference between counseling psychology and clinical? I don't even know what community psychology is, but they're also interested in abnormal. So what happens is one of them counts towards your core, the other counts as an elective. So it's not wasted. You have to take electives anyways. So if you're kind of like, I want to take all three of these classes. You can. You're like, well, I only want to take one from that group. Well, you can too. If you want to take none from a group, well, we can help figure out what should be least painful for you, but you're going to have to take one. Do you have anything to add? No, it's just that what do you all think? Which of those groups do you think most of our students have more than one? They end up taking more than one. And then what would be the second most popular group? Group two. Those are the ones I teach. That's where you need the two and the three there focusing on what most people think about as the helping profession. Right. And so it says here total 45 to 60. This group is the same for whether you take the 45 credit or the 60 credit. So really it's only that one class, like 363, that's different in terms of the grouping and the core classes. So everybody has to do this. Okay. Let me say one thing before we move on. I wasn't sure what was next. Oh gosh, I forgot this thing. I forgot something. Psych 200 at Highline is developmental. And it's a class that all of the education majors at CWU are required to take before they start at CWU. It transfers in as an upper level psych 314 class. And that, so if you're in whatever you do, you're still going to need at least one elective class in either way. And so that's wonderful to have. So if you can take on top of the psych 100, if you can take psych 200, then you have a upper level psychology class that you can use as an elective in your major before you start. So that's the second one that's highly recommended if you have time in your schedule. Okay. Excuse me for a minute here. I have this wonderful thing that I didn't even check on. So this is just to give you an idea of some of the research interests. So I'll just speak a little bit about me. This is me in terms of self-promotion. So we have a service learning requirement to graduate. It's only 10 hours. It's mostly to get your feet wet and force you to get outside of a traditional classroom. And so you can do lots of things in the community, but one of the options you have is to do research with a faculty member. And so we give everybody in your psych 200 a list of the faculty, both in Ellensburg, online at the centers, and you can contact them and see if they're taking students. And it kind of gets you an idea of getting your feet wet in terms of doing a little bit of research. So I have students that are both online and in Des Moines that do research with me. They did their 10 hours, but now they're doing some of their elective credits, independent research. So some of them have their own projects. Some of them are working on my projects. And they go through the process and actually try and present these things at conferences. And hopefully some have been submitted for publication. Not accepted yet, but it's a way to actually have your name put on a paper or a poster, which looks really good for grad school. It's pretty uncommon, my experience has been, to be an undergraduate and have some presentations at the professional conference. So I work really hard to try and make sure that students have that. So I've had students present in Washington, D.C. at the American Educational Research Association. We've prevented in Montreal at the American Counseling Association. We presented at, I can't remember which city it was, but it's Society for Research and Child Development. And we're submitting to APA. And this year we've had some students present at the Western Psychological Association. And this year it's in Portland. So not only are we hoping to have people present, we're hoping to have a caravan of our club members and our psychology students all go down together to go and attend some of the conference proceedings there. That's Dr. Greenwald. Yeah, I was going to ask. Have a look up there and see if you can figure out who this person is. Get out of the way, Steve. Which one of those people is it? Yeah. And I don't know if you can all see this or not. That is a real brain right there. I mean, he's a real brain. But that's a real brain that he's holding. He's one of our wonderful, relatively new faculty. He's not new. I had him in grad school 10 years ago. No, no, no, no, no. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I did. Well, that's relatively new compared to me. Yeah. It's all relative, right? It's a new faculty committee that can be your children. You know that. So Dr. Greenwald is another example. He teaches at Ellensburg. He has a research lab there, but I know students that have done research with him online. And he also teaches cognitive psychology online. And he lives in Sammamish. Oh, no. Snoqualmie. So we used to get him to come here to teach cognitive. It turns out that driving to Ellensburg from Snoqualmie is easier, much of the time than driving here. But every, like, we'll get ready to plan next year again. So I'm working on him again because he's not only obviously very bright and knowledgeable about the brain, he also is a very good teacher. Anyway, this is our, hey, what do you think? So this gives you an example of the different types of research that people do. Are you still grossed out by the brain that they're touching? Actually, our IDS program director, Professor Cynthia Engels, she teaches cognitive psychology here. And actually one of my students, they have to do a presentation. She's like, I think I'm going to bring in a brain and we're all just going to touch it. So we actually did the same thing here, where the students did dissect the brain. Savannah. Of course. Yeah. So I've talked about research. The other thing at Des Moines, which is nice, some of the centers don't have that. We have Angie Engels, who is one of our career counselors and facilitators. And we've had students that have gone out and done internships. You can do them for credit. So if you're doing volunteer work or community work, you can actually get credit for it. And she has all kinds of connections in the community. She comes in and teaches us how to do informational interviewing. She puts on workshops. But I've had students that have gotten from their volunteer or their service learning have gotten either jobs or internship opportunities, or at least some more volunteer work and reference letters, those much needed reference letters for life after your bachelors. She's a really great connection. And she's just in the building. Yeah. It's not on here. But what Leanne is talking about is psychology. You actually earn credits in a class, which is the number of psychology 490. And you can earn one of the same. I think they've changed it now. I think it's for every 30 hours of, it used to be 40. I think they changed it to 30. So every 30 hours of volunteer work is equivalent to one quarter, one credit. And so some people have chosen to take a quarter off and just volunteer full time. You can get paid as well. And you get whatever credits. But she works with you to figure out what the agreement is. Sorry. We can't mute it. It's my email that's pinging. Probably with students wanting to know about their research. Where are you? That's why I should have muted it. Yeah. So this is Dr. Bender. We have permission. I had some pictures of students. And then I realized I should probably ask permission before I post them presenting at conferences. So this is Dr. Bender. She is our online program director. And so if you choose to go the online route, she's the one that will help you plot out which minor to take and how to navigate, including taking into account some of the flexibility and options you have. Dr. Shetman is the online advisor for the minors. So if you decide to do psychology as a minor and a different major, you'd have Dr. Shetman. Any other general questions? Snohomish. She lives on that farm. I was going to post the picture of her riding around on a tractor. But I didn't. I tried to tell her to have her APA manual on one hand and ride the tractor on the other. So her background is in counseling. And her research area is in cyber supervision and sort of more online practices, both in terms of treatment and in terms of supervision for professionals. So that's kind of the area that she does. And she is 100% online. So she literally has a space in her house. Yeah, she has a dedicated office. Her work space. Anyway, she's great. And so I think just personally anecdotally again, people are kind of like, well, I need to go to Ellensburg to get the real degree or I need to go to center or online. They're all the same. You can get the degree from that. The requirements to get in are the same. Once you're here, the courses you have to take are the same. Research can be done online or in person. Internships can be navigated no matter where you are in the state. So if you happen to be an online student, you can find an internship where you're living and people can still help you facilitate that. So don't feel like you're restricted geographically. It doesn't really matter. You're going to get the same requirements and the same opportunities. Wouldn't you say? The odds are that you would be closer to any of the campuses than Sarah Bender is. Yeah, chances are. And I will say I'm the faculty sponsor for the site club at Des Moines. And it used to be just the Des Moines site club. Then it was the West Side site club. And now it's West Side and online students. And we're finally got it functioning so you can actually attend the site club meetings from home. You can just Skype in and we have a link for it. We have a Canvas site. Do you guys use that as your platform? We have a Canvas site. And you just log in if we have information about an event. But you can just log on and log in the meeting. So Dr. Bauer is coming in next week to do a suicide workshop. And we're hopefully going to have that online as well. And so people can just join in online. We try to do one kind of community thing every quarter. We already did an APA workshop, Writing Boot Camp. Because it's one of my, say, pets. It's my pet projects to have everybody be better in terms of their professional communication. We did an Excel workshop. We did a coding workshop. We did diversity training. So every quarter we try to have something. But we're trying to make it accessible to online students as well. Yeah, come along. All right. You want to speak to dual admission? Yeah. The person, are you picking out my voice? Yes, sir. George, should I be standing over there? You're good. Okay. This is a program that you may have heard of. Have you heard of this? Have you? Have you? Have you heard of this? I haven't heard of this. Okay. Unfortunately, it hasn't been, it hasn't taken off like we were hoping to. It would. But this is when if you decide to go to CWDU as a freshman, which you probably, two, three are all sophomores, right? Second year? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They didn't mind A-A. You already have completed your A-A. This is my last quarter. Okay. If you're really committed to CWDU and particularly a particular degree, you can get into this dual admission program and essentially be a high-line student toward Green River or wherever. And then also have a central advisor at the same time who can help you like, okay, well, would this be a good class to transfer in at some point? And from a financial standpoint, it's great because you'd waive the admissions fee. But you know, we really have, I think the, you can only have, is it up there? Once you get 60 credits, you can't do this anymore. So you really got to decide, really, I think that's why it hasn't taken off like the powers that we wanted it to do. One question? Yeah. What would happen if someone, suppose they had 45 out of 50 credits and they applied for dual admission and so they got into both, so they could take courses, talk to people, but then after they had 90 credits, they decided, well, actually I'd rather go to UMCF. That's fine. No problem. Because then you weren't officially applying to Central anyway. So you didn't apply? No, if you ever make a formal, complete application, you don't pay the application. So that's your situation to be absolutely fine. You're conditionally accepted, but you're not formally accepted. So once you decide to formally accept, that's when it becomes... So is there a special dual admission application? Yes, it would be on the site. We have Becca, I was hoping we could drag her up here, but she was not, she's with a whole bunch of students today. We have a person whose name is Becca, Rebecca Winn, spelled like... Yeah, lots of Winn, these days around here. And she is our general advisor. So if you happen to, let's say you have a hundred and some live credits at Highland, but you haven't finished up your Associate's AADTA Direct Transfer Agreement degree, then you would work with her to finish that. But I will say she's here only through the end of winter quarter. So if you have questions, ask quickly, because we don't know who the next person will be. I'm hoping that whenever she leaves, that she'll leave a... So if you have an email to her, it will come back, but please see... Yes. ...whoever it is. Yes, sir. So who would... What kind of student would want to do a dual admission program? Someone who wants to go to, for example, CWU and UDAL at the same time? No, no, this is a student who would be going to Highline and CWU at the same time. Highline or community. But informally, so you would have sort of a... your current advisor here and then your future advisor lets you officially... Basically, it's to help the transition be smoother. So you do your first two years here, but during that two years, you're getting help for the place that you think you might go. So things like which courses are accepted and which programs things offer. So what do you think... We can make sure you're getting the things you need in your two years as opposed to students that do the two years on their own, come in and then realize, oh, I should have taken this or I should have taken that. Right. Or let's say, you know, I really like criminal justice. I think I may be heading that way. Who can you refer me to at CWU that can help me when I cycle forward? So it's really not a etched and stalled commitment on the part of the student. It's just another resource that you'll have available to you, and $50. Submit. Yeah. And can you take courses at CWU also at this time? I don't know why not. Honestly, we can... You can. You have to apply and register as two separate registrations, two separate student IDs, that kind of stuff in terms of... Because I know we've done it the other way. Students that didn't quite have the C-Avergence 101 have to enroll at Highline. But then you... This doesn't kind of streamline that communication between the registration process. It's just in terms of advising. There are financial aid implications, too. So I think if you're on financial aid full-time and you need 12 credits, I don't think you could split it between two institutions at this point. But we do have a financial aid advisor on site at Des Moines Central does, but some of the other sites don't. There's also online financial aid, but it's nice to be able to stop in and talk to somebody here. And they're really good at figuring out what can you split, what can't you split, what are the rules for being at Highline and at CWU. We have Central has Pierce, Linwood, Yakima, Wenatchee, Moses Lake, and Des Moines as centers. And we're not biased at all. But Des Moines is... In bias or no, Des Moines has the best student support service It's the largest of the centers. And so there's more structure and support in place to have things that are on site. And the most diverse set of majors and minors also. But we're not biased. I think that we've got over and that's it. So I'm just going to mute this now so my email isn't pinging. But I'll pull up this slide because this might be the one that you have questions about. But does anybody have any general questions for either? I guess so what happens if you apply to go to Central? And they, like, credits don't match up. Like, you don't have... Like, I know for UW, Highline doesn't have like a 202 or 209. Yeah, so there's a whole giant catalog that your advisor helps you figure out as to which numbers transfer in which... So you guys take Psych 100. We know it's Central. It transfers in. And you've got credit for Psych 101. So there's some classes that are like that. So you guys take your developmental Psych 205 or 209. And it comes in as 314. We know that. There are some classes that don't come in as a specific course we already take. That doesn't mean it can't count towards the credits you need to graduate. It just comes in then as an elective. Right? We have two categories that are called lower division site, upper division site. It doesn't match up with one of our numbers. It still comes in as lower division site. Okay. And you do need to get to that 180 credits anyways. So it still counts. Yeah, and there are some courses that... Let's say that you had a little trouble wrapping your arms around math. And so you took math. I don't know when it starts. One of our colleagues took six math classes before she got to 100 level. And those don't count at all. Those will come in as non-transferable. Unfortunately, the chemical dependency classes here don't count for... I don't know why, but that's something I've been trying to figure out for 20 years. Whatever those are are non-transferable. But my hunch is that everything that you're taking here other than the chemical dependency and some of those intro math classes, math prep. It's usually the exception rather than the rule. Most things transfer in as an elective. But if you were in the AADTA, you don't have to match up. Let's say, you need a laboratory science, right? So let's say you take a chemistry, what would it be? Your 100-101 with a lab. And that particular class would transfer in to central as chemical, chemistry 101. But sometimes astronomy, for example, might count for your natural science here. And we may not have a direct equivalent at the central, but it doesn't matter if you earn the AADTA degree because your general education requirements are all done. So that's why, Becca, if you come out of here with a couple classes to finish, you usually get the advice to just finish your AADTA degree while you're at the central. It's the easiest way. It's the easiest way. It's the easiest way than trying to go, okay, well, central needs this and this and this. Let's match them up. It's better to just get the AADTA degree. Yeah. Is there a catalog that we can look at right now to batch the classes? No. I could show you. You want to try to go on? Are we online? Here we are because you're e-mailed. If you go into CWU.edu, okay? And then you do a few e-mail messages. That's just from the last two hours. Academics. I think it's your next stop here. Here? Admissions. Okay, yeah. Go to the admissions. Transfer? Transfer, yeah. And then down there, you can find transferring your college credits. Washington State credits. There, right? Okay, there's the policy. If you go to Washington State credits over on the left. On the left here? Next one down after the one you're on. Here. Then you go to course equivalencies. Right there. And you can find if you click on accept where it is here. Click here to view our equivalencies on the second line. Yeah, there's a million of them. Yeah. Yeah, and they used to have a search where you could actually go to each college. And it's a different search. Let me see. Highline. Oh my gosh, those were all college. I'm so blind I thought they were courses. So this can tell you whether it's non-transferable. Yeah, this used to be a little more. So go to psychology. If you go to, yeah. See, a lot of these count for, like, this is a, this is a good example here, I think. I think any of you had this 206 anthropology? Something like that? Because this is a class that a lot of students at Ellensburg take. Anthropology 130. So that's a direct transfer. There's a lot of these, actually. If it isn't a direct transfer, like these independent studies, you'll come in as Leigh-Anne was saying, ant-LD lower division. It still counts as your 180 credits. So I see a normal 220 if that's transferable? It will be as a, that's good. Let's try to find psychology. Let's try. This used to be a lot easier than this. I think you can search at the function at the top, but it's... There's all these business. Okay. There we go. Okay. So all of these come in as lower psych-LD. So they meet, they are credits toward the 180 that you need. So the question you asked about earlier about the research methods, it'll come in as an elective. Yeah. It's a requirement here, but taking it at 200 level at Highline doesn't meet the requirement. So it comes in as an elective. You still have to take the 300 level at Central. Yeah. That doesn't mean that you haven't learned something and you can put it to good. We have a question for you. I transferred to a school in Baltimore and said she was the only student who found it to be really easy. Yeah. Because she had it before. But you have to take it again just like here. Yeah. But I think I would never try to dissuade somebody at Highline for taking the all of us psych-LD. Actually I'll be especially with this faculty that you have. I'll be finishing up shortly here to teach research methods at 3 o'clock. So if you're ever bored on a Monday and Wednesday and you want to just drop in to research methods, feel free to come to my class. When do we offer a research or a spring quarter? Although we probably in here in July switch. It's going to be once a year when we base into the quarter. What is it once a year? Because we're going to have enough enrollment to do more. And it's pretty low enrollment even then. We usually it's not I don't know if it's ever more than 20. One quarter once a year ahead but usually it's 14. And what are your other classes usually like in terms of size? Yeah. So at Des Moines when you said 20 I'm like that's really big because right now I have 21 students for research methods and that's almost full because it'd be 25 and online it's usually 25 as well. So that's the most number of students you have in an online class. Is this your fullest or one of your fullest classes? I'm not a social general. It's only for BAS students. Basically. Oh the social side? Oh okay. So the other class just while I remember that I think is really helpful to transfer in if you're even a sociology minor it's helpful to do this equivalent of sociology 107 which is social 101 110. 110, yeah. Because it's the I want to show you also why let me show you all math point. Yeah. One and that's confusing because sociology you can take 10 110 So it's this one so it's 101 it's 101 that comes in at 107 this is confusing don't ask me why this is the case but it is sociology 101 comes to sociology 107 that's the one you need if you have this class you only need 20 you need four classes to finish a sociology minor of any anything you want to earn the minor in sociology in sociology but see here you could take if you take the 201 it comes in here as sociology 101 so this is a little goofy however we have a colleague Michael Mulcahy he's a social minor advisor he often or whenever needed will substitute this but take this but I wouldn't count on that no you wouldn't okay so let's have a look at math math so if I I'll just jump in this is what he's talking about the little lower classes that might help you prep they are non-transferable so they don't come in as a specific course or even as an elective yeah but then you have some classes that do come in as specific classes at Central right and the one that this is if you're looking for a to fill a general requirement and with the easiest possible class that you can that's the one right there math 107 at which I'm sure needs to a lot of time right so if you're if you're like I want you know I want to get out of high line as soon as I can with a class will also end up transferring to CW with the same with a direct equivalency that's the good one to take now what do you need to get into math we used to have a prerequisite now it just says highly recommended so technically you don't need a specific course but I would recommend anything that is headed with this one the business 221 right that is a prereq for the business major if you if you any of you any thoughts at all about the business major there's like seven prereqs that you need and that's one of them this is a great if you need a math class take that and it comes in as business 221 and that's the best preparation for our statistics class good it's good to see you're getting all these advice so we used to require anything higher than this math 411 as a prereq for our statistics so we really like to have people take that that but it doesn't matter now because there's no longer that requirement alright so I think what else that's it for us prereq questions so let's let's have a quiz on the sociology let's say you want to take that a sociology minor at central which one which highline class do you want to take but no one right because it transfers into central as very good move to the head of the class move like this