 Okay. All right. Welcome back to our second lecture on B.C.2.1. The Christian Apologetics. We're going to go into our next lesson. Lesson number five, which is, let me share this. We want to answer some common questions about the creation account in the Bible. Okay. So we're going to be focusing on Genesis chapter one and two. Right. So I think it'll be useful to just read Genesis chapters one and two. I think I'm sure all of us have read it before, but just to quickly refresh our mind on Genesis chapters one and two. Then we're going to answer some common questions on, you know, how are we supposed to understand Genesis one and two? And what are some of the ideas or theories that, you know, people have put out there and what is our response? Okay. So I will, is it okay if I read it fast? So I'll go through Genesis chapter one and two. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void and darkness was on the face of the deep and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. Then God said, let there be light and there was light. And God saw the light that it was good and God divided the light from the darkness. God called the light day and the darkness he called night. So the evening and the morning were the first day. Then God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters and let it divide the waters from the waters. Does God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was, it was so and God called the firmament heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. So it's like dividing the earth from the sky above. Then God said, let the waters was nine. Then God said, let the waters under the heavens be gathered together in one place and let the dry land appear. And it was so. So seas came and was there and God called the dry land earth and the gathering together of the waters he called seas. And God saw that it was good. Then God said, let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind. Whose seed is in itself on the earth and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind. And the tree that yields fruit whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the third day. So third day earth separated from the waters, seas formed and the earth producing vegetation. Day three. Verse 14. Then God said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to do by the day from the night. And let them be for signs and seasons for days and years. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth. And it was so. Then God made two great lights, the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth. And to rule over the day and then over the night to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. So the evening and the morning were the fourth day. So fourth day. That is the whole, what we would refer to as the solar system set up. The earth, the lights, sun, the moon, all that set up fourth day. Then God said, let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures. And the birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens. So God created great sea creatures, every living thing that moves, which was with which the waters abounded according to their kind and everything. But according to its kind and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, be fruitful, multiply. Fill the waters and the seas and let the birds multiply on the earth. So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. So fifth day, sea creatures, birds, all those creatures, animals and birds. Then God said, let the earth bring forth living creature according to its kind, cattle creeping things, beasts of the earth according to its kind. And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind. And everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind, God saw that it was good. Then God said, let us make man in our image according to our likeness, let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the earth, or the cattle over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them. Then God blessed them and God said, be fruitful, multiply and fill the earth, subdue it, have dominion over the fish of the sea or the birds of the earth. And every living thing that moves on the earth. And God said, see, I've given you every herb that yields seed, which is on the face of all the earth, every tree whose fruit yields seed to you which shall be for food. And also to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, to everything that creeps on the earth in which there is life, I've given every green herb for food and it was so. Then God said everything that he made and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. So sixth day finally are the animals and then man. And God said everything was good. So this is the order in which the creation account in the Bible is given. Chapter 2 is kind of a, okay, let me go back to and tell you exactly how, what happened on the sixth day. What happened? It's like a reflection, zooming in. So chapter 2, Thus the heavens and the earth and all the hosts of them were finished. And on the seventh day, God ended his work which he had done. He rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had done. Then God blessed the seventh day sanctified it because in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made. So now he's going back, verse 4 is going back. This is the history of the heavens and the earth when they were created. In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. Before any plant of the field was in the earth and before any herb of the field had grown. For the Lord God had not caused the terrain on the earth and there was no man till the ground. But a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground. And then he's giving us details of what happened on day 6. And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life. And man became a living being. The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden and there, so remember the vegetation happened on day 3. In that vegetation this is what happened. He's giving us some details of what took place in chapter 1. And there he put the man whom he had formed and out of the ground the Lord God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now a river went out of Eden to water the garden and from there it parted and became four river heads. The name of the first is Peshon. It is one which skirts the whole land of Hevillah where there is gold. And the gold of that land is good, bedelium and onyx stone are there. The name of the second river is Gihon. It is the one which goes around the whole land of Kush. The name of the third river is Hedekil. It is the one which goes around east of Assyria. The fourth is Euphrates. The Lord God took the man, put him in the garden for Eden to tend and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man saying, out of every tree of the garden you may eat freely. Out of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat. But in the day you eat of it you shall surely die. And the Lord God said it is not good that the man should be alone. I'll make him a helper comparable to him. So he did the same thing. Out of the ground of the Lord God formed every beast to the field, every bird of the air and brought them to Adam to see what he would call them. And whatever Adam called each living creature that was its name. So Adam gave names to all cattle to the birds of the air. Every beast to the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam. He slept. He took one of his ribs, closed up the flesh in its place. The rib which the Lord God had taken from man, he made into woman, he brought it to the man. And Adam said, this is now born of my bone, flesh of my flesh. She should be called woman because she was taken out of man. Therefore a man should leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and they should become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife and were not ashamed. Okay, so there are lots of questions that, so this is the creation account, Bible account. This is how everything came into existence. Now there are a lot of questions that obviously come up, which we will try to address one after the other. But I want to point out one thing. Man, all the creatures were formed out of the ground, out of the ground. So you see verse 7, Genesis 2, 7, the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground. Also Genesis 2, 19, out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast, every bird and he brought them to Adam. So every creature, every living creature, animals, sea creatures, birds and man were assembled out of the ground, the earth. The starting materials was there. Okay, I was pointing it out because when we do carbon dating, when scientists do carbon dating, say, hey, this skeleton is so many millions of years old. Okay, every creature was formed from the ground of the earth. And what we are saying is the earth, when the heavens and the earth were created, God compressed time. We said earlier, God compressed time, intelligence and power in an instant. That means what according to our measurement would take millions of years, he compressed it in a second. And out of the dust of the earth, these creatures were formed. So when we are measuring doing the creature, we are studying the bone and say, hey, this is so many years old, whatever. Ultimately that creature was formed from the dust of the earth. So we don't know. God compressed time, he compressed things in an instant. And then from there he formed all these other creatures. Okay, but let us go through these questions one by one. And these are questions that people ask to help us challenge. Sometimes they ask us to challenge the biblical account and so on. So let's look at some of these questions. Question one. Scientifically, the earth and the universe are billions of years. How do we respond to that from a biblical perspective? So people are saying, hey, this universe is 14. Of course, this calculation changes. Sometimes, you know, in the past it used to be a few million years old, then it changed to billions. And now it's eventually now, okay, where it stands is, scientists say, the universe is 14 billion years old according to that calculation. Again, it's only a calculation. Nobody knows. Nobody's been living that long to tell us. It's a calculation based on various things that they observe. The universe is 14 billion years old. Okay. Bible is saying according to Bible chronology, Genesis 11 may have happened sometime around 6000 years ago. So you're going back from Adam, Adam's, you know, calculating Adam, all the lineage to Abraham and so on, till now, approximately 6000 years old. So what is this? The universe is 14 billion years old. Bible is saying there's only about 6000 big difference. How do we reconcile that? So our response is simply that in the creative act of God, energy, matter and space. It's all compressed in an instant. That means what God, what we think would have taken millions of years, God did it in an instant. That's why he's God. So it's not a problem for us. You know, so like we said earlier, you know, I'm in the beginning, after God formed Adam. So, okay, tell me how old he is. Then he said, he's must be 25, 30. I don't know what he looked like at that time. We would have given some age in our estimate. God said, no, just two seconds away, breathed into his nostrils. He became a living person. Two seconds. He's only two seconds old. You're saying 25 years, whatever age that must be, 40 years. Whatever Adam looked like. He was, Adam was not formed like a baby, right? He was formed as a man. A grown man in an instant. He breathed. So in our understanding, that man may have taken, say, 30 years. But God just breathed in an instant, a 30 year old man. I'm just saying 30 year example. Whatever that age was, was created, came into existence from dust. So if God could compress time like that in a second, if he can compress 30 years in a second, it's nothing to him to compress millions of years, or what we would say, billions of years into a second. It's only from our calculation. It is something by 30 years or billion of years. What is our God is our thinking. But for God is like, hey, I just did it. Okay. So the whatever calculation people come up with, when they say earth is for billion years old, universe is 14 billion years old. That's a number you've come up with. You can't prove it. But for us, we just believe God did it in an instant. What you think would have taken so much time. Okay. Next question is, and this is a complicated question. And this is even a question among the church, within the church itself. These six days, we read about in Genesis one. Are they actual 24 hour days? Or can we say every day is representing some millions of years? Because scientists are saying it took so many millions of years. What if we say every day mentioned in Genesis, give it some number. Every day is 10 million years. So you have 60 million years. Or every day is 1 billion years. You have 6 billion years. Something you give it. And some people have even Christian scientists have given each day its own duration. Sometimes it is very confusing. Because these are believers, Christians. They believe in Jesus. But they are using their science to modify each day. But then we are confused. It causes a lot of confusion. How do we respond to it? So there are three typical theories that have come out that people use to try to explain Genesis one. I have just put it here so we can address it. Don't go and preach this on Sunday morning. This is not for Sunday morning sermon. You will confuse the whole congregation. This is only for our understanding and discussion. And if there are questions. So what is known as a gap theory? Then there is a day theory. And then there is something called theistic evolution. We will explain what these things are. So what is the gap theory? The gap theory is, if you look at Genesis one one and Genesis one two. Genesis one one says, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. So in the beginning he created the heavens which is this universe. And he created the earth. Then verse two. And it says the earth was without form and void. There was darkness on the waters. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the water. So what is the condition of the earth? Earth is covered by water. But it is in darkness. There is no light yet. So verse one, God created this vast expanse. We call space. And there was the earth. And the earth was in darkness. Now when it says he created the vast expanse, the heavens. Were there anything there? Were other planets there? It's not telling us detail. Because it says in verse one, heavens and the earth. So planet earth was created. So if planet earth was created, did God also create all the other planets at that time in verse one? Did he also create all the other stars in verse one? Were all the other stars very far away from the earth? That the earth was still in darkness. Because later on day four is when he creates the solar system, the sun and the moon. Let's close it to the earth. We don't know. But the fact that he says in verse one, heavens and earth, we can think that, yeah, he created all other planets, all the other stars and they're all there. The space was there and earth was there. But earth was in darkness, verse two. People say the gap theory is between verse one and verse two. There was an unknown number of millions of billions of years. Genesis one, one could have happened 14, example, 14 billion years ago. He created the heavens, the vast expanse space, about 14 billion years. And then after a big gap, he created the earth. And the earth had a, what was known as a pre-ademic world. That means there were animals and all those over there. And then he destroyed all of that. And that's why in verse two, the earth is covered with water. So this is only a theory. You can't prove it. Okay. It's called a gap theory. So Genesis one, one and Genesis one, two, the way people explain it is they introduce a big gap. It is not there. Like, you know, you read these verses, it's not there. So that's why you're saying it's a theory. That means you're introducing an idea, which is, you can't see it here. Genesis one, one, Genesis one, two. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and void. It was covered with water and it was dark. And the Holy Spirit was mowing on the water. That is what it's saying. And remember, it was not written verse and chapter and verse. So we have to read it together. In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form and was empty. It was dark and water covered the earth and the Holy Spirit mowed on the water. These are two verses. This gap theory is it introduces a gap, the idea of a gap. Why? Because science is saying the heavens are 14 billion years old. Earth is 4 billion years old. Where is 10 billion years? Oh, it's in the gap. Okay. See, it's a theory. You can't prove it, right? And they say, see, some animals' bones that we are doing now. It is so many millions of years. Where did it come from? Okay, I'll give one other theory that in the gap, there was life on the earth. That's why in verse 2, the earth is without form and void. There's water, like Noah's flood. This was a pre-Adamic flood that destroyed life before that. See, it's only a theory. But sadly, it's from the church. In the church, you'll hear some people. Sometimes they'll write books on it, whatever. But it's called gap theory. It is an attempt to answer two things. It is an attempt to respond to the fact that the universe is 14 billion years. Earth is 4 billion years. What happened? Why is there that? It is an attempt to answer that. And it is an attempt to respond to fossils of example dinosaurs or things that are... So there's just 2 million years old. This is so many million years old. It is an attempt to answer to that. You understand where it's coming from, right? So... But it is only a theory. We don't see it explained in Scripture. Like you don't find Jesus saying, Yes, as Moses wrote, there was this time between... You don't find Jesus anybody telling us about that. Right? So that's why I say here, there is no scriptural evidence to be stated. Maybe they might pull out one Scripture. I think usually they use the Scripture from Jeremiah. I think it's Jeremiah 9. They'll say, yeah. And also... I just don't remember this exact verse. Many listen to some of these ideas. I forget which verse they tried to use. Nice. Sorry. What? Verse 4? Nine verse? I'm not actually... One minute. I'm not actually sure. Yeah. Generally they try to use one verse from Jeremiah and also they talk about Satan, Lucifer being thrown and walking on the earth and so on. Maybe it says... It's equal 9, is it? Yeah. Anyway, so... You can tell I don't pay too much attention to that, but... Yeah. So, yeah, from Isaiah 14, Nazigal 28, they try to use that and say, yeah, you know, Satan was walking on the earth before Adam came, all those things. But it really is... There is no substantial support in Scripture of a gap between the heavens being created and the earth being created and, you know, a pre-Adamic world, you know. There is no substantial evidence in Scripture and so on. But just to know that, okay, this is a theory. It's going on... Some people might... You might find it in some places in the Christian world. The second theory is what was called a day theory and this is even more confusing because some scientists, some well-known scientists, like I think Hugh Ross, is a very good man. He's a very good scientist, a very respected scientist, Christian, but he pushes this theory a lot. And other many others who push this theory, which is that the day that is spoken of in Genesis 1 is actually... It could be millions of billions of years and it is not a literal 24-hour day. The reason, of course, it starts off with 2nd Peter 3.8, where in 2nd Peter writes, he says, follow up with God one day is like a thousand years and thousand years is like one day. So it starts from there, from where it goes to billions of years. Peter didn't say with the Lord is one day is like a billion years and he didn't say that. He was just saying basically in the context of 2nd Peter 3, time doesn't matter to God. That's the idea, right? It matters to us. That's why it's taking so long for Jesus to come, but for God that doesn't matter, right? But it starts from there and then they expand each day in Genesis to many billions of years, right? But let's look at this. So I'm on page 21. Let's look at this day theory and what would... Actually, if we accept the day theory, then everything else in scripture becomes... Many other things in scripture become very absurd because see, one thing, what is... We must be consistent in what we say, right? If you say, we can't say only in Genesis 1, day is billions of years. After that, it became 24 hours. Okay, if you're saying day in Genesis 1 is billions of years, then day everywhere else must also be billions of years. We're using that same logic, right? Let's look at it. So in Genesis 1, 5, he's clearly saying the light is called day, darkness is called night, and then he says evening and morning. Evening and morning. So it is repeated many times in Genesis 1. The evening and the morning, that means evening starting from 6 o'clock evening and the morning going through the rest of the day. It is called day. So when God is saying evening and morning is called day, and that thought is held consistent everywhere else. Okay? Because that same word Hebrew word yom, okay, the day that is used for day, is used 2,611 times in scripture. Same word, day, yom, Hebrew word, yom. That is used in Genesis 1, 1. That is described as evening and morning. So yom is evening and morning. So 24-hour period starting from evening till next day, evening. 24-hour period, yom. And yom is used like that everywhere else in the Old Testament. So yom means evening and morning, one day. It is understood like that. Clear? No doubt. But if you say no, no, no, yom is billions of years, then suddenly yom everywhere else becomes billions of years. It becomes very absurd example, right? So Exodus chapter 20 verse 8 to 11, Exodus 31. It says, God made the heavens and the earth in six days. If these six days were millions and billions of years, then he says on the seventh day you rest. That means you rest for some billion years. See, God is putting a command. Exodus 20 says, you must keep the Sabbaths holy. The seventh day you must keep it holy. Because God worked in six days. He rested on the seventh day. So you also must rest on the seventh day. Now, if you say God worked six days and you make each one of those days billions of years, that means we are saying when God rested, he rested for billions of years. And then he's telling you and me, you rest for billions of years. See, it is immediately throws this simple thing, simple thing. Because if you say yom evening and morning, 24-hour day, six days, yom. Seventh day, yom. God rested six days. If each day is some billions of years, God rested for billions of years. You have to make seventh day also like the other six days. Then God is giving us a command. You also must rest every seven days. And that seven days has become billions of years. Doesn't add up. The logic is gone. So one simple example, right? Then if you say that everything took billions of years, then each and every step in Genesis one was billions of years. That means when God said, let the waters come and the land come. It took billions, when God said, let the waters separate from the earth. God said, but it took billions of years for it to happen. Slowly the water moved. And the seas came and the earth came. What will you think about this God? He said, let the waters separate and the land be formed. And you're saying it took billions of years for that to happen. What kind of a God? How much energy he has? So it's not adding up. It doesn't make sense. And then when God said, you know, day four, let the earth produce... Sorry, day three was the separation and the vegetation. Let the earth bring forth vegetation. It took billions of years for the grass to grow. Today we grow it in a few days. That time it took billions of years. Trees grow in a few years. And you're saying in Genesis the third day it took billions of years for the trees plants to grow. What does this doesn't hold? It's not consistent. Same thing if you go to day five and day six, land creatures, you know, and Adam on day six, God took so many years. So if day six was billions of years, by the time God made Eve, Adam was, I don't know how many billion years old. Not this hundred. Because he had to make Adam. After that only he made Eve later on. Then that time he came, he saw Adam. Adam was already billion years old. It doesn't match. But we know, you know, Adam was about 130 years old when he had his son set and so on. So that detail is given to us. So this making that one day, whatever, how many thousand years or million years you make it, it just doesn't hold when you look at other implications. When we see in the scriptures only about this first chapter, there will be coming so many doubts. Actually when we see this day and night also, the light and the darkness will actually measure this time by the sun and moon. Like if sun is also a star. So in the starting only we can see this, let there be light and God saw the light, it was good and God divided light from the darkness. So after that it will say, so the evening and the morning were the first day. So when we think this, when this light, he created this light, it is in 13th verse. Like how come it actually happened this day? How can we count it the day without the sun and moon? Like actually now only we counting this time according to the sun and moon, the day, evening, one day and the second day. How come it actually calculated day before this light? We'll come to that question. Good question. So we'll come. It is one of those questions that we have listed. It's a very valid question. We'll finish this and we'll come to that. So it is one of those questions from Genesis which we will answer. Considering that we are taking day as a literal day, it is applicable throughout the Bible. So in Genesis, the third chapter when the fall is happening, so it says that now the serpent was more crafty than serpent came and deceived Eve. So what is the timeframe? We would say because seventh day was Sabbath, everything was created and God has given in charge of all the garden to Eden and Adam and Eve to do the thing. So then when this serpent came into the picture, is it like because if we consider that a Satan was cast out of the heaven before the creation, it should be somewhere. I don't know where it is. Some middle layer somewhere or somewhere it is. And then when the creation happened, maybe I'm just assuming this. I'm not sure about the theory about it. So it came onto the earth and trying to deceive the creation of God. So is it like after immediately the seventh day of creation, it happened or I heard a theory or just some perspectives of every day say when they used to fill the garden and they used to do stuff. Satan used to come as a serpent and then used to try to put this idea in the mind of Eve. So it took some time for Eve to believe what Satan is trying to tell her and then she took a decision of eating the fruit. So I'm not sure if you're considering days a day like 24 hours. So it's like happened immediately because it is mentioned immediately after the creation or there is something else to it. So the answer is we don't know when, how many days he lapsed. Like how many days did Adam and Eve enjoy the garden of Eden before the fall? We don't know. It's not given to us. God didn't say on the 275th day, the devil came as a serpent. It is recorded for us but time it's not mentioned for us. So it tells us when God formed man after the dust of the earth, he blessed him. But in blessing him, he blessed Adam, both of them, he blessed man and woman. But we know that there was some time gap, meaning God had brought all the animals to Adam and he named every one of them and still he was lonely. So how many days did that take or did it take just one hour? We don't know. And he was still not sad. He didn't feel complete. So he made him a deep sleep come and then he formed Adam. Now, did that happen on day eight or day nine or when exactly? We don't know. And then how many days did Adam and Eve enjoy the garden before they sin? We don't know. And then this nice story that the devil came for so many days and tempted Eve, which is a made up story. It's not in the Bible. The Bible doesn't say, and Satan used to visit Eve very regularly. It doesn't say that. So it's a made up story, right? We can't prove it. We can't disprove it because it's not there. So best is to avoid that, avoid it. It's just that we don't know the exact time. But sometime there it happens that Adam and Eve sins, right? But what we know is there was repercussions. They were sent out of the garden and so on. Those things we know. Pastor, if in that case, in Genesis chapter two verse number 19, when we see that Lord has formed out all the wild animals and he brought them to the man to see what he would name them and whatever the man called each living creatures, that was the name. So the man gave all the names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals. So when you are mentioning that, we don't know how much time it took for Adam to name all the animals of the earth and the birds in the sky, creatures in the order. So it could have happened in an instant. Meaning his mind could have been so good. Or it could have taken days. We don't know. But if we are believing in days like 24 hours. So this could have not been in that framework of 24 hours. It is out of the creation. As time is passing by, but God created Eve after that. So this doesn't come under the seven day of creation. So this didn't happen in those six days. Six days. It didn't happen after that. He created everything. He created Adam, he rested and then subsequently this happened. Like God is bringing, you know, God is letting Adam now exercise his dominion on the earth. And the first thing as exercise of his dominion is Adam, all these animals are under your charge. What you name you give them. That's what they will be. And so he does it. Now again, we don't know how long, but I'm just thinking that it must have been again a very instant thing where the mind of man at that time. See, today we are in actually, you know, we are not in the same state that Adam was in the garden. He was in a much glorious state before the fall. So I'm just thinking that maybe his mind was so sharp because when we think of how what our mind will be once we are glorified. He says, Paul writes, you know, he says, we will know even as we are known. That means we will know so we'll know everything. You know, first Corinthians 13. So our mind is going to be in a very different level at that time. So I'm just thinking that in that state before the fall, Adam's mind must have been in some different states where he could have done this, you know, very, very, very quickly, maybe even in an instant. We don't know. And then even after doing that, God so is not happy. He's alone. Then he formed even. So this happened outside of that six days. Right. Okay. So we'll move forward. So let's just look at this third theory, which is theistic versus C ABC. So first theory was the gap theory. They're introducing a gap between heavens and the earth. Second theory is that, you know, maybe every day was not just a 24 hour day. It was, it could be millions, billions, thousands years of years. We're saying it doesn't hold up because if you say Yom one day, evening and morning was more than 24 hours, then it disrupts a lot of other things that where Yom is used. I may get a few examples. The third theory is that, and again, this is within the Christian community that some people believe that they're making an effort to accept evolution and accept God. So what they're saying is a guided evolution. That means God created the initial life form and then he just let it evolve over time. So God is responsible for creating the first life. And then he stood back, he went to sleep and just let it evolve. So they're trying to make both sides happy. So it is called theistic evolution, a form of guided evolution, intelligent evolution. When there are some Christians who believe that, but that is not what the Bible says. The Bible is saying God spoke, it happened. It didn't say God slept and it happened. God spoke and it happened. When he said, let the earth give vegetation, it came. When he said, let the sea have creatures and birds have, there'd be birds in the air, it happened. So it's not in any way indicating some sort of a guided evolution. Genesis chapter one, it doesn't fit in there. But sadly, it's some parts of the church accept that and believe it. So we just need to know that these are these three theories, so on. Pastor, if the evolution itself states that there is a transformational stages of life happening on the earth. I mean, Darwin evolution states differently, but if we see the actual form God has created during the seven years of creation, I don't know if those really the animals present right now, or there are different forms of the same species present right now. It applies to the birds and trees and all the creation. So what do we call this, like this progressive thing that happened? So God told, he set the biological process in place, meaning you multiply, you increase and so on. So obviously that process is still going on. And in that process, we understand it gives rise to variations, new kinds of creatures. All creatures do get extinct. So even now we are aware some animals are on the risk of going extinct. That is because of what the environmental factors that are involved. So new variations are being formed and certain variations are going extinct. That is fine. That is something to be observed. And that is not wrong. Okay, let's pause your question. Three and four is what Anand had asked. We will pick it up from there and go. So time is up actually. Okay, I'm sorry online. We didn't have time to take your questions online. Okay, so Nina, I'm sorry, we will pick up your question from next week. I'll copy it and just remind us that you can paste it again next week and we will pick that up, okay? Sorry, time is up. Okay, let's just pray and close. Father, we thank you for the time today, for all the discussions, for all the interactions. Help us to continue to learn and teach us and establish us in truth in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you everyone. We will definitely pick up questions next week and continue.