 Welcome to Toffy TV, proudly backed by Vanorama, driving fan TV through the summer. We're here to talk about the managing situation at Everton Football Club. Now, there's a big chance it's going to be Marco Silva. Everyone's saying it's Marco Silva, but let's throw some names into the hat and let's get into it, because a lot of people on social media and stuff are not happy. What a surprise, the people on social media. That's fine. Where are you with this situation, Baz, because Silva looks like he's the man. Marcel Brands is supposed to be meeting him this week. So, from that point of view, are you okay with that? Yeah, I am. I'm just checking you know. I'm fine, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, I am, because I've said it a few times. There's no outstanding candidate in there, but I look at it and go, we could have got him, and he's perfect for us. Thomas, social, has been there for a while. Now, PSG might have had a bad with him before Christmas and whatever, but other than him, Emery, which is going to Arsenal, will be really going for that. Do you know what I mean? I don't think it's going to people of throne country. I'm Pellegrini, I didn't want so. I'm quite happy with Marco Silva and Marcel Brands. I've been reading some stuff on Marcel Brands. That PSB, the fellow from PSB was talking about him. It was all glowing, fantastic background and insight into what he does and what he brings. And we need a young coach to work underneath him and go hand in hand, because, as I was trying to explain to some people, it's about the process really rather than the managing now, because there's been too much chopping and changing, having to rip stuff up. So, what I've heard, I'm quite happy with it. What about you? Yeah, because, you know, listen, I can't sit here looking at Silva's track record and being amazed by it. I don't think anyone could, but without knowing the full sort of project of what's going to happen at Heaven Football Club, and as you just said, you've got to sort of look at what Marcel Brands has done in the past and bringing some like Phil Cocker into PSB and working hand in hand with him. That's the kind of maybe relationship he's looking at, rather than having sort of a more established older manager who will have been in charge somewhere else. We sort of had that with Cooman, someone who pushed him to shove it out of the UOM situation. I feel like there is going to be a hierarchy and everyone needs to know where they stand. By bringing in a younger manager, they fully appreciate that and will have already sort of had that situation. Silva was a direct footballer at his first club. It wasn't for too long, but he did the job for it for a little bit before he took over being the manager. So maybe he understands and hopefully understands the situation with that and what is expected from a manager because he will have had to... It's not just about doing the job, it's about how his relationship would have been with the manager at the time. So from that point of view, I'm quite happy because all managers are a gamble, I suppose. I mean, there's a lot of fans who are saying, why don't we go out and try and get Conti or try and get one of these big name managers. Now, there's obviously... they come with risks themselves because someone like Conti will have never managed a club like Evan. He manages Champions League teams. So if he can't get a tune maybe out of... plays are supposed to be the top class, how's he going to get a tune out of Evan plays? For all, we know it might be easier for him to get a tune out of Evan plays because the plays he has are more willing to work hard and appreciate having a good coach. Do you know what I mean? Where there's maybe the high ego, you start getting those egos that go, hang on, we've worked at this fella or that fella and you just don't cut it for whatever reason. So, would Conti come to Evan? I highly doubt it and I highly doubt it because I think he just wants to go back to Italy. I think his family live in Italy. I think his kids live in Italy. I just think the last year you can see it on his face. He's not happy being a Chelsea. Well, he's come on, said he thinks he's taking a year off the way he's going to do it. So just slow everything down again and then look at his options. No, but he knows Evan. He might have had Marko Silver all the way along in the background but Evan might have tested the water with him anyway and gone. If he got any interest in him, he might have just gone now. You want to go back to Italy and that's that conversation finished. So people going, why haven't we asked the bar and what we might have done? The other thing about him as well, he's made it quite clear this year that he doesn't like people buying players for him. No, because he doesn't play Dinkwater, he doesn't really play Barclay who clearly being bought for him to fit quotas and sell on with the Chelsea tax on. So that's that, isn't it? Again, there's a lot of unrealistic shouts but then there are realistic shouts. Eddie's house name has popped up and it's popped up actually from a journalist saying we'll actually have discussed it at board level and I think that's right that they will have discussed something like Eddie's house at board level because I think that what he's done at Bournemouth in the Premier League has been very impressive for what he's gone and who he manages and you look at how small a club that really is. I think he's done really well so I think they have to do that, they have to have those discussions. From a plus point, you know, as an open common manager, he's never toning, apparently. He's managed in the Premier League for a couple of years and although he finished higher in his fair season I think then he did in the second year, I think that this year's been quite impressive especially the back end of the season with the amount of late goals, Bournemouth score and but he has only managed in England and he has only dealt with one sort of kind of player so it's as he got that knowledge of dealing with the kind of players that ultimately we want to attract to the club and has he done enough at Bournemouth? It's a difficult one for me. I just, he worries me, Eddie, I just see a lot of similarities with Roberto Manes so I will see a manager who likes to play the right way I think defensively they are open, there's anything but they're attacking so they win games they're fantastic at coming from behind they like goals all the time so they're obviously fit he's done a brilliant job there they don't want them at everything and back them, of course so would but I just don't know with them, I don't know It's just a problem isn't it, it's hard to I look at him and I think he to be honest with me, I think he was shandled out in October and I don't think he wanted to step into everything No you wouldn't would you? You know he was quite safe where he was we were in a bit of a mess in November and I think I asked the question and I don't think he was very I think he probably just thought, not right now I think his style of play is honourable I don't think he is a manager personally I don't think he is, I think he has a way of playing but I don't think it's the kind of way that Martin has played where it was all just side to side for Tiki positions No I know what you're saying I mean to just open No I know, so I think his football is a little bit more direct not that like longbub but just more direct a tach, I think that does leave them open but then I also look at the kind of a put I also think that many money he has had he's tried to generally put it into the forward areas as well and he does stick to his guns and I think he goes into games and he won't change his philosophy that's honourable I think at times it will get you results at times it will get you results like Chelsea away but it will also get you the free take Liverpool at home, you know what was your 4-0 on so he deserves a chance maybe he'll have one more year of bone-off and then see what happens but I think he deserves a chance somewhere he's an open common manager so he deserves a chance I think Silver Edgesy because I think Silver's win ratio is actually better in the Premier League in the Premier League in England 59% overall I'm not discounting them but I'm just based on England I'm only using the Premier League as the one because I'm not disproving Silver's but if you look at Silver's you've got to look at Eddie Halb before the Premier League and then you're looking at divisions lower so I'm looking at Silver's is still higher but he has got European experience he's got experience of managing in Portugal and managing in Greece and those leagues might be as good as the Premier League but I think it's still very good experience because you've dealt with different kinds of people you've dealt with different levels of talent you've dealt with different scenarios different owners different problems his work at Estabill was unbelievable when he went in there because that's where he started at the second division in Portugal he got them up one man and said he got them into York with a very small budget took over at Lisbon, won the cup like he said the other day he was sacked for not wearing the club's sheets which is ridiculous went over to Greece, won the league by the biggest man and he's one where he is that's all you can really do and when he comes to Hull I was reading I've been reading up on Silver he had 13 players when he went to Hull he won one game he'd been gone and it was like why have you brought this fella in no one's really remember Paul Mason he'll be someone like Sam Allardyce getting it because this fella like Marko Paula and the next minute if you go and read some jailers to watch them and the training and stuff like March, April time when he'd been there a while when he went to Hull he'd only won one game by the end of the season he won nine that's a brilliant second after the season isn't it by anyone's standards especially with the player he had he had to trade snow grass he brought in Camel Grzegi the winger from Poland he did it his own way from Liverpool he brought in Evandro that's what a player he'd worked with in Portugal and he asked on loan and all of a sudden they were invigorated and he beat Liverpool he drew it, united their old Trafford you know we had some big results he lost games as well he did it his own way I mean when he went to Wafford they looked fantastic till we got involved basically and then it sort of dropped off a cliff he had bad injuries but we said this before you're laying from things like that so you know it's whether he fits into the criteria they're having a look on for but there's other managers out there obviously West Ham have just appointed Pellegrini and a lot of people are saying well why didn't we go for him for me because he doesn't fit the model that we are trying to take up and I know you know you look at it and you say he's won the Premier League but he's somewhere a fellow who was given everything needed to win the league at Man City and just did it and thankfully did it because obviously it was that season but he just did it and at his age he got there I just don't think he fits into the criteria whatever they're looking for I think with brands brands are going to take a lot of that sort of way that maybe he would look to have brands is almost going to be the manager isn't he he's not going to be the coach but he's going to by the sound of it he's managing all of that stuff and that means that the coach can get on with coaching I just think I like Pellegrini for me it needs it needs someone to unite everybody it needs an enthusiastic hard working coach who wants to prove himself ambitious and I think Pellegrini is very dignified he's very quietly spoken not saying he couldn't do the job but it goes against whatever it's trying to do it's not long term another name I throw in is Sean Daish who I wanted in November and I still feel like he's almost like the outstanding candidate but I suppose from his point of view if he wasn't approached in November when he was clearly interested then why would he come to it now haven't signed a new contract finished the season strong with Burnley got European football for me his point of view you had your chance but everything still doesn't seem to have any interest in Daish again it doesn't seem to be an avenue they want to go down again that might be because but isn't that a good thing I've seen people talking about silver and I think Farab he wanted it quite clearly he wanted them in November I think we got all of Daish in to study the ship and give all of Daish the benefit of the doubt for a few months but judging by the fact that Michael Silver wasn't treating any jobs of quite clearly he was in our thoughts anyway and people are going why am I looking elsewhere but I don't know whether we should be we should be praising the fact that he's stuck to his guns he wants this fella he's been suitably impressed by him and brands have been discussing it I'll come on so should we then go unless someone a more outstanding candidate what I would say to Daish what I would say to that and we'll come on to one of the candidates in a minute what I would say to Daish as long as brands is part of the process let me jump on do you honestly believe he would give up his stuff of PSV he's settled job for life everything's running exactly the way he wanted to he's got another two exciting kids there which are highly rated he done that before he even agreed to come he wanted all that had he done he's very very professional he doesn't he said he loves the people he didn't know whether he could give it up so why would you then jeopardise what you've got if your signs if I'm settled and I've got everything in front of me this is great I love the people I work with we just won the league again the third time in four seasons I'm getting all the credit for it because I put everything in place and people are loading me and you're going I really want you you're great we want you to do this for our club but I want to choose the manager and I want to do that I agree and this is where I was going this is the point I was coming to is that if he starts 10 yet in this job with someone else's decision then that's his that's him that's him forever isn't it he's got to start this job with assurance that he can do this job right so yes Michelle Silver was Michelle's man in November but it has to be the consensus of both of them now that he's the right man and it's not like it's not like what's your fantasy for tea alright fantasy for pizza and you go it sounds yeah it's going to be pizza you know what I mean you know one of them you've got to want it it's not just a piece in the owning it's just giving you the job but I don't think he's and that's what I'm saying you've got to start on the right foot and go from this probably before but certainly from around February time them discussions will have been taking place so you can get what have you did this to you know Sam all the dice is in there it's not for me this fellow Michael Silver you're a like what he's done let me have a look I think all of that's gone on for all we now Michelle Eirey could have gone to brands in October and gone deep cut but they've had the talks haven't they so we could have got because that's one of the stories I've seen I don't know how true this is Michelle Eirey went to brands in 2016 the week after he'd appointed Cumin and brands and Cumin apparently he didn't want to work on the Cumin and so he did if you right so I don't know so I don't know whether that's one of the stories that was achieved you might know if that's true I can't say that is too but that might be simply because I've read that they've got to get on and they spoke with each other but the simple fact is he might be like well listen he's alright he's my mate I know that you're a bit like that you know no but that's the thing isn't it so for all we know Michelle Eirey because brands have said we've been having a relationship for two years so we could have gone to Cumin in late October and gone we'll have to get at the Ronald and I don't know what you think or whatever I'm looking at this fella what you think because he looks like he might be good it might be it might be rather than like personality it might be what fits the bill so you know I'm hoping that it is a brand's decision and it's just I just think it's he would be giving too much up to Cumin on the wrong foot do you know what I mean let me just throw this other name in the heart because it's been thrown in the last 24 hours Michela Tether now I honestly don't believe but this is just me personally I don't believe if Arsenal had gone after them too many people would would be making as much noise but obviously I think people feel that because Arsenal went so much trouble to get them for that reason there must be something about them and I think that's got people thinking well I'm gone what's he got that they for whatever reason there's talk that I had to take them down and maybe that's why they've moved on to Emory what's he got that we can use but also I think there's also that thing of we need to get him before anyone else gets him it's that thing of the unknown it's that thing of the Shawnee O'Dayshios that if Silver was English and you knew everything about him maybe he wouldn't touch him with a bite but because he's foreign you will touch him I think people there's maybe that sort of feeling with with our Tether as well well he's an unknown quantity isn't he and so he's not soiled by losing games or having a spat with a player or whatever so it's almost like Davy Classan I don't have it's almost like Davy Classan or Felassith the Leith Nias the less they play the better they became so our Tether all of a sudden is this coot he's pecoa di olaf ar tu and we're just missing a trick I'm not going to get him aye he might have no interest in managing evident because he might look and go there's a lot of work there that needs to be done before I'd consider it Arsenal are more stable in us it has to be said at the moment that might change Everton might have asked the question if he turned Arsenal down why would he accept evident but ultimately it goes back to brands and machinery and they might go you know what I don't want to gamble with a man that hasn't had any experience yeah he might be a fantastic coach you know but David Underwood was getting I know it's not the shame but David Underwood was getting talked up and he took the reins in the middle of the season and it was they didn't quite where you know what I mean and it's Michael R Tethers was he 36 coming in I don't know but I just think when he's one of them he could be magnificent it's like the Fonseche thing Paolo Fonseche Everton didn't even want to speak to because obviously the minds made up on them now Fonseche might have come here and been amazing or come here and been horrendous you don't know because you've got no bar all you can say is people are discounting silver winning stuff in Greece and Portugal why is the Ukrainian league be all an end of the month he's not even managed the bloody youth game you know you know what I mean he's just gone in and been on the bench so you know Rennie Mullustain Mullustain Alex Ferguson said unbelievable coach absolutely unreal right went to Fulham I don't know what I'm just saying went to Fulham, night man Colin Harvey was incredible Brian Kidd who back at city he went to Blackburn as a manager he relegated them Carlos Caeros was a Ferguson was like fellas on incredible got off the clad had a nightmare of Benfica in Portugal Steve McLaren again loaded by Faggy nightmare so because you're a great coach it takes a special kind of person a tether might be that person they might have seen it and gone they have no qualms given in the job but I think Bill Kennaith mentioned that in about February to the book because it was Tom King done the story on it so it was out there then do you know what I mean so I don't know maybe Michael doesn't fancy it or maybe Evan just went listen this time we've just gambled last season and we went wrong and we want someone to Mike Tendon to New York there's a fella he was linked with the Arsenal job Patrick Vieira there was reasons why there was reasons why they found him and if you listen to Ian Wright you get a sense of why Ian Wright's ffumin over that by the way but all some say there's a fella who is actually coaching no no yeah and he's doing very well and playing well a tether it's all one of them what would you have said if it was just that would you have been I know you'd have been against some other people I would have maybe took the risk but I just I don't know I think there's well put it this way I'd rather have and this is going to sound ridiculous I'm going to sound like I've shot myself in the foot but I'd rather have a tether than fancy it and I'd rather have a tether than idea but I think I'm saying that because I'm hoping he's got something to bar him I do think he's got something to bar him I don't think he's this one cuddly Michael at tether I think he's got a bit of stale in him I think he's got he proved that by leaving it he's got a bit of devil in him I think with the managers he's worked out he's got a really good mix as well you know working working under Pep Guardiola playing for Venga playing for Moise can't dismiss playing for Moise what that would have brought him that sense of having to work hard and toughen him up I remember me signing and I was like it won't last five minutes this fella he got toughened up and he took it playing for Rangers, he's a PSG he's been around the block he's got I went out and I'm going on I'm just saying it what do you think though I don't know who he was the manager I'd get behind on that he'd be the best little Spaniard and all that I just think it's a gamble they're all gambles and I think that's it I don't know whether that's a risky gamble because we're not stable I think it's all the gamble I think every one of them is a gamble there's not one of them apart from if you do give it to Pep Guardiola or give it to Marini out that and a gamble, they're all a gamble you've got to put everything you've got to put everything into the right circumstances and it happens everywhere sometimes you get a manager and he hasn't got the right circumstances and then you create the right circumstances for him off the page and suddenly that manager is going well I've got the tools to do this, this and the other and this is what that's all I'm going to figure isn't it the fella for him nodling or something to one of the PSVs that's what brands does everything around the coach so that the coach can do his job gives him the right tools and therefore it's successful and he does that through players, watching players talking personality wise I'm worried the bit that he put in which was really I thought it was key and this is a quote it's not a journalist's amazing he said he looks at a player likes him, then thinks will he actually fit in our system and if he doesn't will he actually buy from it even if he thinks too good or he'll go and watch him for another year and that's what we need chemistry isn't it a few bits of art and it's kind of like Moise chemistry you look at a player and you know as he got it also goes back for players that he's had before he knows the good eggs and can it, does it fit the system so you know as I say it's about the whole thing hopefully when a manager does get appointed they'll come out and give the thinking of why we've appointed this manager because he fit into this system that way and people can get it better we've done this on Peyton on another video of whatever in the media I'd love them to come out brands to come out and go got this manager in because he fit these criteria that are going to take the club forward that's why other people weren't considered or and he's the best man for the job and I'd love them to do that so fans go oh yeah now I understand I think most fans will be bad on board anyway it's not about them being on board because fans will it's just about getting rid of because I've seen it and you know what it's sad I understand I've seen people say things like the club have come out and said they're going to appoint a manager to take us into a new stadium why aren't they saying we're appointing a manager to win his trophies and I get that fully fully get that but brands are sad that but that's just a that's just a throw away line isn't it and the club haven't actually said that jailers have said that on behalf of the club but it's all that does is that just displays long term thinking that's not to be all and end all get a manager to take us into a stadium that means the club won on the point of manager that's going to be here for a few years rather than won that but it is what you say and how you say it that gets you over with the fans every time you speak you speak into the fans and we've said this many a time don't let other people fill the conversation in there you do it you lead the conversation and I think everyone will I think once brands are on the come officially starts his role next week the manager will be in place next week so the two of them will start their roles next week and you'll get all the media stuff the interviews and he'll explain himself and that will be it then it will be done I heard a great line before I think it wasn't about football it might have been about politics but it said silence creates fear there's simply no better line I think I've heard when it comes to the Batonians silence creates fear so hopefully it will be done soon hopefully everyone will be happy but you know what whoever it is let's just all get behind them and try and dive ever in the right direction I hope so yeah well that's it isn't it because we do the best ever is the united ever is everyone punching everyone singing in the same hinge everyone wanting to move in the same direction the fans getting behind it you want that springing step you want to get up Saturday morning and go playing today and all that and what you're going to see fast attack on football and that's what we want to see first and foremost then results will come and hopefully trophies and stuff even the odd trophy let us know your thoughts in the comments who do you want who don't you want who do you think hasn't been considered and should be considered because I know people have been throwing names at me and I've been like to the Google like the guys just left Leipzig and people like that and the guys at Huffenheim and Nagelsman yeah but Nagelsman didn't want to leave Germany no no no but it's all these names that people throw at you you've seen Favreys just gone to Scotland he's old no but he's not a great manager because he is but the age thing doesn't it does matter this time because Evan is trying to create a process it doesn't necessarily matter but it matters because we're also not the only club in the world trying to get a new manager like I said to you before maybe just maybe people have to go looks like Evan have actually planned this and therefore I'm getting on board with it because you want the people who are planning it not to be able to have their mind changed so easily let us know who you want also me and Baz have done a video about director of football in fact we did it in February actually and I've stuck it out there director of football yes or no the debate I've put it out watch it when you watch it remember we filmed it in February you can film it in February I've got a really long head on it and we were both like that and I looked like I just had a cake or seven so watch that as well leave your opinions on that thanks for watching toffy tv we'll see you later