 Yna mae'r Llyfrgell Gwlad. Mae'r Llyfrgell Llyfrgell yn Llyfrgell POD yn enghreifft. Gwlad y sydd gyntaf i'r gyfion o'r maen nhw ar Saint Lucie. Felly mae'r Llyfrgell yn gwybod o'r cael nefyd, ac mae'n gweithio, gan ymddangos y Llyfrgell yn gweithio ar y gweithfodol. Mae'r Llyfrgell yn gweithio ar y rai gweithfodol. Mae'n gweithfodol ar y gweithfodol. Mae'n gweithfodol ac mae'n gweithfodol ar y gweithfodol. ac ydych chi'n yw Mark Hughes yn ymniwch, rydyn ni'n rydyn ni wedi eu ddweud i gynnyddiannau ynddo. A, hefyd, y styml y ffemi'r ysgol yn fawr. Mae gyddiwch, mae'n gyddiwch. Mae'r gyddiwch gyda'r panedais awesbwynt, byddwch. Mae'n gyddiwch ar gyfer. Mae'n gyddiwch, hefyd. Mae'n mynd i'ch gyddiwch argoffio ar gyfer. Mae'n gyddiwch. Mae'n gyddiwch ar gyfer. Mae'n gyddiwch ar gyfer. I'w gwaith ychydig, mae'n rhai am yw Mark Hughes'r ysgolion, ac rwy'n gwneud yn ysgrifennu'r ymddiol. Mae'n gofyn o'r llyfr o'r cyflwyf yn agorau'r cyfnod, rwy'n ymddiol, mae'n gofyn i'r cyflwyffydd a'u gofyn yn arddangos, ac mae'n gofyn i'r cyflwyffydd a'u gofyn i'r cyflwyffydd a'u gofyn i'r cyflwyffydd a'u gofyn i'r cyflwyffydd, oedd yn y gallu cyflwyffydd, ac yn ymddiol ymddiol. Ac rydyn ni'n ddweud, ond wrth gwrs, cael ei wneud i'n cael ei dweud gweld, yn ddangos gyda'r dweud. Dwi'n ddweud fel y club eisiau ei wneud ei ddweud i'r unrhyw, rydyn ni'n ddweud i'n ddechrau, fel hwnnw mewn ffans fel y cyfrifiadau, ydy'r ddweud i'n ddweud i'r ddweud? Yr hyn, rydyn ni'n ddweud ar hyn ac yn yr ystod o'r cyfle eu cyflor, mae'n gweithio'n amser o'r hyn yn ei ddechrau. sut cwpio gandaendeffa. Dyna y modau o'iell ygledig ti'n nhw. Ymheddar i'w dd spokesperson nesaf, dwi'n cael perfordyn, fel Despbar receive-, gyda hynny. A'r haes i'r ddafach wedi cael ei hunain dwarthu. Al werin precoedd yng Nghymryd conflicts o'r ond. Ond oeddwn i fel, rom motherio weithio. Roedd sefyd Neil yn cael y spoilerosio gyda. Mae'r fawr yn fawr yn ymgyrch. Mae'n fawr yn fawr yn ymgyrch, mae'n fawr yn ymgyrch. Mae'n fawr yn fawr yn ymgyrch. Ond rhaid i'w gydag i'w gwrsiau gwahanol i'w fawr angen gweithio i'w fawr a'u gweithio i'w gweithio i'w gweithio. Felly mae hefyd yn ôl yn gyda'r fawr a fawr a'u gweithio. Ac am amser, Andy, ond dylai'r tragiadau eich ddau. Ond mae'n dweud yn cael ei fod yn fawr yn ddweud nad oes y gallwn gweithio arnyn ag ein bod yn cyflawni'n gweithio ar gyfer ddiwethaf. Mae'n cyflawni'n gweithio ar gyfer ddiwethaf. Rydyn ni i ddim yn fwy o'n ardal, ben i'ch gweithio. Ben i'ch gweithio, Andy. you've not lost any of that ambition, do you realise the impact that you've talked about being invited into the executive board and the lounge. Do you realise the impact that you have at Bradford City for a lot of players, not just black-players, but that players want to establish themselves, you play over 500 times for this football club. I do not think it is something you sit and think about much. I always feel when Can I come and people still recognise me? Yn mynd yn bod yn bod yn bod yn bod yn y ball. People still talk to you as though you were here the same as they did when you were here, when you were a player. I think that means a lot to me personally. I just love the club, I love everything about it. I can look back and think when everything else around me was about race, was races. If you went to a night club, if you went to a bar, you'd be lucky if you could avoid racism. But when I was at Brathford City, as soon as I walked through the door, I was just treated like every other player. By the technical team, as well as by the supporters, that means a lot. I always felt welcome here. It's funny because I was speaking to my mum yesterday about going down to City to speak with Cess. It brought back loads of memories. We were back on the phone for another hour and I was talking about you. Your impact in our household being able to go down and identify with you. What did you feel when you took the pitch at Brathford City as a black player? Did you feel that you were representing other black people? Or did you just feel it was a job that you just needed to go out and establish yourself in? I went through two phases. I'm getting paid for playing football. There's no kid in the world who doesn't want that and think that you're privileged. I had my niece over from the Caribbean. Her mum was a nurse and she had to go somewhere. My mum was looking after her niece. She was five at the time, Shelley. I brought her to the game. She loved it. She sat in the stands, but she loved the chanting when she was shouting on. I'm looking up at the stands. This is a black five-year-old doing. She's doing all that. When we got home, she was talking about it all the time. She loved it. It's the first time she'd ever been to a football game. I took her to a few more. My mum said, Shelley went to the game with you today again. She must really like it. I said, she's taking on board how football... She's learning more and more about the game. She's mixing with other kids as well, which she wasn't before. She's going up the stairs and she said good night because it's time for her to go to bed. She's singing, and then as she's disappearing, I heard her shout, the referee's a wacker. My mum said, what did she say? I said, she said the referee's a wacker. That means she likes hitting people. It shows the influence that football has on kids even. Black kids as well as white. She's always been a football fan since then. There are things that stand out in my mind, the importance of football in not just the game itself, but generally to bring people together and to show people that everyone can live together. I'm going to stay on the point of being a family because whenever we speak about Brafford City, we always talk about the family aspect of this football club. How did that aspect impact you in terms of when you look at the football club and when you speak about it? It's funny because we had this conversation with Big Joe and Mark. We were talking about the importance of a family kind of feel amongst the players themselves. We were there for each other even now. If I call you or Joe, we meet up, we talk about football. But other things as well, if there's an illness in your family, everyone's concerned. I'm not sure other clubs have that, not to the extent that we had at Brafford, not when we were playing. When you come back, you realise that, you reconnect with players, they tell you what's going on in the family again. It's just different. I have played for other clubs. When I was finishing, I played for Halifax and Scarborough. It's not the same. There's something different about Brafford City that I respect. You also had a testimonial, which was different to any other testimonial that I've ever been to or experienced or played in them. Tell me a little bit about it because that impacted me and Chris and the rest of my brothers in the family regarding representation on the pitch on that day, which was unusual. Tell us a little bit about it. That was the intention, because again, Shelly loved the game, she loved football. When I saw the impact it had on her as a kid, as a young black kid, because there weren't that many kids. We all played cricket, didn't we? That's what people thought. When I saw the impact it had on her, I was thinking, there must be other black kids who want to come, because you just weren't seeing them in the terracing. I thought, if we could show, somebody said to me, you're not going to make your money by doing what you want to do. They said, if you get Liverpool, they'll bring their support, you'll make a fortune, but that wasn't the intention. The intention really was to show that we had other black players playing. At the time, I knew Terry Connor, and knew one or two, and we got on really well. I just wanted to be introduced to the others, or to bring the others together with us. Let's see if they're having the same trials as we're having as black players, or the same concerns. That's what we did, and it was amazing, because all the players are contacted. They all said they came. There were only several regions who couldn't make it, and he apologised, because I think he was ill or something like that. Everybody else came, Terry and all them. You know, it was a big success. I loved it. We didn't make a lot of money. We made enough, but it wasn't the intention. The intention was to highlight that we had black players playing at every level in the football league. I think what happened, which you would have realised, is the young players, or young footballers running around in the street, around Manningham and West Bolin, and all the other areas in Bradford, were talking about that for years, because it was the first time they recognised and identified other players, and their parents had told them, look, you have to be extra, extra special to play football, and yet you brought players down that just had an ordinary personality. They signed every autograph. They told jokes. They made us laugh. They made us feel friendly and welcome. That had a generational knock-on effect, because of just that you said, you're not going to make any money. It wasn't about making money, but even now I think back to that and think how unique it was. I can't thank you enough for what you did, because that dream lived with me, and I was able to take the feel that at Valley Parade, knowing that it's a legacy that you've passed down, and now we've got other players at Bradford City that are young players, white and black, that feel, Desi Hamilton, for example, who scored the winning goal at Wemblech. He's a player, Dean Richards. These players identify with Cess Pod because of the legacy you've left. Do you really recognise how much of a legacy you've left at this football club? I don't think you think. It's not something I've thought about. It's nice to hear it coming from you, Andy, because I don't think you ever do people who genuinely do something because they think it's the right thing. I'm just pleased to see how rapid black players are now getting involved in football at every level. Also, we've started, even coaches, we've had a recent problem where not enough black coaches are being employed by clubs, but there's a black coalition group who are addressing things like that and seeing how they can assist to break that barrier so that we can get more black coaches. It's a continuous fight against racism, and this is the thing, Andy. What I realise is that when we talk about racism, we have to also admit that to help us get over the obstacles, most of the people who help us are the white people as well. It's not a struggle for just black people, it's a struggle for all society. That's important to understand because when I had my testimonial, a lot of the coaches that I contacted to get the players were white coaches and they didn't have to release the players, but they did because it was my testimonial. It's a continuous battle for everyone, not any one race. I think that's really important to point out. I think that's a very good point to make because there is now in the Premier League people talking about allyship between white and black players that's allowed the development of anti-racist behaviour to be continued. I think as black and white players and players of colour work together, I think it will overcome the barriers to racism. I still think it's a society problem, it's not just in football, it's everywhere. But again, going back to your legacy and the things that you have done, if everybody just played their part and does what's expected and needed and fair, which you did, it's like we've got now young players at Brafford City like Mattie Foulds. We know that young players in the game, white or black, need opportunities. What advice would you give to young players out there, black and white, if they wanted to play for a club like Brafford City? What advice would you give to them? I think the main thing is that you have to have self-belief and self-confidence and you have to be surrounded by people who are positive. One of the things that I realised was that, I didn't know it at the time, but I was totally focused on being a footballer, nothing else. The main part of the reason that I was able to get opportunities is because I had the support of my parents. We didn't have a car or anything, but my dad would take me to every trial. Even when we went to Wolves, I got called for a trial there by the scout and my dad took time off work to take me down on the train. We didn't even get on the pitch, but he didn't rumble, which just brought me back. It's the next time you might get a kick, that was it. Never made a fuss about it. When I came to Bradford and signed for Bradford, he travelled to every game on the supporters bus. I'll be driving past on the bus coming home and my dad will be there. I think we need to support each other, especially young players. They need the support of adults who have a belief in what that youngster is doing. Also in the club, and I think that's why I keep coming back to Bradford City, the environment and the legacy that these people like, what's his name? Bernard Ellison has left and Maurice Conroy. They were all youth coaches when I was here. They tracked me like their own son because they knew that. It was the opposite, actually, because instead of them being racist towards me, they knew that I had to have that support, so they would treat me differently. They would make sure that they put an arm around me when I needed it. They would push me when I needed to be pushed. They would encourage me when I needed encouragement. I think it's a combination of both the player, his home environment and the environment at the club that the player is in. It's not easy, but you look at the rewards. Look at the England team now, you know, soccer players like that. In the World Cup, I think the first game the player did beat somebody six-something and I think five of those goals were scored by black players. We've moved on, but there's still work to be done, Andy. You were given some advice. I remember telling me a story about your dad and the chanting that was going on in the terraces. I believe your dad gave you some advice as to how to feel in regards to if the Brafford City fans were chanting your name. Do you remember the story? Well, there's a few really. My dad was one that believed that when they chant in my name that's because you're doing a good job, you know what I mean? You're playing well, so take that as an example. But also, my dad came to the Games as well and as I said, he travels on the bus, so they got to know him. He got amongst them and that made a difference. It's always good to have that support and that's what I remember. My dad's dead now, but I think it's important that you understand that you cannot do something, especially as a young player on your own, when it comes to big issues like racism and whatever else. What's the other one where I forget the terminology, but the sexual preference? I think they're having a bit of a battle mouth, similar to what racism has as well. They're all things that, it's down to the club to make sure they stamp it out and make sure players feel as though they're in an environment where they can trust the people, the leaders. You had another player on the pitch that you had a great relationship with. Cookie. Joe Cookie. Joe, as the fans known him, how did you enjoy supporting each other while you were going through difficulties or when you were going through the highs of being at the club? How did you make it work? Joe was different to me, because Joe just didn't take any rubbish. Joe had ended up not in somebody, which I've seen him do a few times. But I think we complimented each other, because I would rather talk me away out of a fight rather than just not somebody. But I think because I had experienced, I had a year or two's experience before him. I was able to advise him and I was made sure that even though he wouldn't even have recognised it, I always made sure that I could see a funny side of things and I could just flip it. Joe couldn't. It was important that we were both there at the same time, because there were times when somebody had to get annoyed. So I think between us we handled it. Joe went on to do really well. I always rated him as a player because I think he was unique. I think with his size and his energy and his movement. I don't think people saw that, but his movement off the ball was quite good as well. That's why he got so many goals. He also centre forward and centre off, couldn't he? So it's interesting in nowadays that it's very rare that you get somebody that can play those central positions. Tell me a little bit about Bobby Campbell, because he was a massive character. I love Bobby. Everybody does. You cannot have a discussion on Bradford City unless you speak about Bobby Campbell. See, this is what I like about Bobby, because usually everywhere that I've been we talked about racism and we talked about what creates that in a person where they see colour. Bobby didn't see anything other than football. Forget about whatever you want to talk about in relation to Bobby Campbell. You know that Bobby Campbell is what you see is what you get. That's what I liked about him. He wore his hat on his sleeve. As a striker, as a manager, you know what you're going to get from him. Even if he's been out on the razzle the night before. His movement wouldn't change. We had players playing in midfield. Rhymonad Falun is a great example where you buy players to support Bobby. You know his movement is that good, but you want the player on the ball to understand what's going to trigger a good pass and it's Bobby's movement. In training sessions with Rhymonad Falun, for example, those sessions were based on that, Bobby's movement. Bobby connecting with the midfield, that if we make overlapping runs as full backs, you know that there's going to be two or three players in the box. Bobby's there and then you want the supporting midfielders to make up the numbers so that when the ball comes into the box, we aren't over there. Things like that, you just remember. People talk about his personality and everything, but his football, his game is awesome when you look at it. And when you talk to coaches about sessions that you do before games, Bobby stands out because most of the sessions that we did was based on how do we get the ball to Bobby. And that's how important he was to Brafford City at the time. Seth, I can't thank you enough. Every time it's a pleasure to see you, especially at Valley Parade or the Union of Brafford Stadium. Thank you so much for coming over and speaking to me again. Andy, it's always a pleasure, mate. Good seeing you. You're a legend, bro.