 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this motherfucking episode of Mind Pump Whoa, coming in hot everybody We have a great time Having talked and bullshitting for about 33 minutes. We talked about Selena The great musician and artist that Adam nobody knows did not fucking know about I can't even believe he calls himself Mexican We talked about his Mexican we talked about Justin's sunburn from no sun exposure. Yes, that's right I'm white literally sunlight reflects off the ground and gives him a sunburn We talked about transitioning from being a crappy trainer and those of us that still haven't transitioned to a good trader Yeah, we talked about our bulking stories. You're not gonna want to miss that. It's actually painful Split brain patience. That's kind of cool and skewed body perception That's actually a pretty cool part of that beginning part of the episode then we get into the questions The first question is what do we think about these hybrid athletes? So we're mixing bodybuilding with endurance events like triathlons. Can you be successful at both of them or is it stupid? Exactly, then we talk about what we envy most about each other for example Justin's pale beautiful white skin. You love it. Love it. Yeah, then we talk about how When we have when we have guests on fucker when we have guests on the show How open-minded do we have to be basically how cool are we with our guests because sometimes we disagree or most of Time we disagree with some of the stuff that our guests say and then finally in true mind-pump fashion We give our opinion on something. We have zero expertise in I love doing that We predict the McGregor Mayweather fight which is coming up. That's right. Get your bets in. 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Yeah, a lot of shirts is gonna be pissed. Yeah. Well too bad Sorry about that. All right. I'm gonna read these off and Nishime Megan J fit Marshall four five five Mikey buns 33 sleepless in sack Tommy Roback and L wetback Please send a message to iTunes at mind pump media comm include the name I just read as well as your shirt size and your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you Yo, yo, yo, don't trip chocolate chip Adam always Lena is in the motherfucking house. We're going we're going straight. We're going straight gangster today Selena Selena's Like hold my headphone on one side close my eyes. Should we just come on a lot of love I can't do the Selena song. Sorry. You guys don't know Selena. Wow. You guys don't know Selena I didn't till now. No, bitty bitty bum bum. You guys don't know her fucking Spanish music. I don't Selena Selena So, you know how J. Lo got famous for having a big butt. Yeah Selena was the She was the originator of that whole thing. She had a massive Glutial area. I don't shake a bomb. I don't shake a bomb. I thought I thought I thought J. Lo came before Selena Not Selena Gomez who are you thinking of? Fuck Adam Selena. Who is the god damn it? You call yourself Mexican? You don't even know who Selena is no I don't that's why I'm a Selena. It's it. That's all her name is. Oh, you know the original Selena She just has Selena like Madonna. Did you watch it? Yeah? Yes, dude Prince Madonna and Selena I don't know Selena Selena was she was American, but she was his Mexican and She's saying song in are you thinking of Shakira? That's Colombian you fuck. I don't know I don't know why I'm so offended right now. I don't need your Google help real soon here because I don't know I don't know do you okay J. Lo played her in the movie Selena remember? I've heard of Selena. Yeah, of course you have dude Yeah, fuck me. No, there's a son. There's a couple popular English songs that she's saying that we're popular on the charts when we were kids Oh, what's the fuck? I can't remember. I can't remember Spanish song because I loved her Spanish guy Her one of her like employees or whatever promoters fucking killed her dude. That's right Yeah, she was a young girl sweet girl. She was super popular among the Hispanic community And then she's saying some songs in English and it fucking hit the charts man at top of the charts She was fucking amazing when we were kids. I can't believe you know there. She is I Literally can't that's the movie on her. I can't like Point out any one of her songs though like I've heard of her bite I don't know. I'm so angry because I can only think of her Spanish songs. That's what I was just singing right now There she is so Selena is originally who made big butts cool before J. Lo is what you're saying I think big butts have been cool for a long time I think there's a long history of coolness With big butts, but Selena was do you think so? Yeah, I believe there was a surmix a lot I would that's a good point. That's a very good point. He definitely played He definitely played a role. He did like big butts. Yeah, he was quite honest. He did lie. He was very honest about it It's such a bad dad joke. No, no, dude. Selena's the fucking shit. I'm gonna find a song. I was honest Oh When are we gonna have that the game show where like mean you have like the dad joke off here Here's one of my favorite songs of hers. It's in Spanish though This gets me in a mood Yeah, I grew up in San Jose motherfucker. I heard this shit all the time Oh, that's good stuff right there. Oh I got here the lyrics. Did she sing quiet? Damn it. You know what that's some shit right now that you say this I remember this actually getting my super burrito from a lot of taqueria I do remember hearing me in the back. I do remember hearing this in the back Mini mini lot of taqueria. Yeah, I was at the flea market Now here's her you guys You guys are fucking racist I'm Mexican. I literally would have Racist white as hell. He's racist. Oh, just by default. I guess you have to be no I'm just kidding. You're not but listen. This is so here's her famous English song I know you remember this shit because I guarantee you made out to some girl to the song Maybe not Adam because he was fucking scared of girls, but Remember this song right here much Very nice, bro. Here comes like the first slow dance ever did Oh Right next to you that's right Hold on here it comes Oh, I do remember this shit I got fresh with a couple girls to this one. Whoa, I do it real real fresh back when freaking You got real fresh. Yeah, shut up dude. You were a virgin till you're right now Fresh isn't a heavy petting heavy. He's right here. He was the finger blaster Oh Lot of dry humping to that song Lot of home quick draw touch finger blast touch it through Touch it through my jeans The power drill he's like 19. He's still getting dry What the fuck happened to your face, bro? You know, it's funny about this we were with I need to let the audience know we were with all of us together We're we met with dr. Ruscio up in Sausalito and gorgeous location and Justin literally I'm not even exaggerating stayed in the shade the entire time He got he got some in accurate He got some burn in his face from the small amount of radiation that reflects off of the objects apparently Yeah, I don't realize someone could be that sensitive. No, it's not how it went down. Okay? We're a hat for a reason so I walked outside. I didn't have a hat on it was like, oh my hair I just got hair cut You know, I'm gonna rock it today and we walked like I don't know like it had to be at least a mile Yeah, like by the time we're done. It was all in the Sun It was a but but that's crazy a one a half a mile to lunch a half a mile back You're fucking some summer. Yeah, I never thought it was hasn't seen the light in a while You know, I gotta introduce it. I have to like I'd have to sit on top of the Sun for that to happen I would have to wear a baby oil Tan bastard. I would have to lather up a baby oil to get that right All of us are like I like that. Okay, so do you Justin? Do you get any type of? Like beneficial adaptation from the Sun or is it all damaged like from no It just takes like a lot of like really slow incremental like exposure. Okay, so like okay So here's what you're doing like I need to paint. I need to understand this. Yes. Oh, it's sunny outside What are we gonna do? This is what Justin does. Let me maybe I'm wrong I don't know you stand in front of the window, but the the but the blinds are closed And you get the little twisty thing that opens the blinds like and then you Enough it's long enough you open the blind to close them real quick Yeah, and then you do that every day and then I have to drink blood He's an Irish man Yeah, that's good good time yesterday we met Anthony Gunders no Anthony Nick no Anthony fuck man. Yeah, he probably doesn't listen. I don't remember He's a big fan dude. No, he's not your asshole. He is. No, he was I liked him though chiropractor another I Have ran into more smart chiropractors Yeah, and the last year then I have my my previous 15 years in the industry crazy to me Yeah, maybe maybe it's not interesting. Yeah, we seem to be like like magnets for these smart chiropractors Yeah, I think what don't they talk about this in the secret. Yeah, we're trying Through it out there. I'm like why are all these why all these have like a handsome good-looking people like are coming around me all of a sudden Hmm. I'm attracting it. Yeah. No, I think it's because of our our podcast That we're meeting people who are you know like minded. Yeah, probably not even just like minded. I think It's not even necessarily the like-mindedness. It's just a lot of these chiropractors That we've met lately are forward-thinking and just doing what works. Hmm, which is movement, you know, lots of movement these guys are becoming Movement specialist rather than adjustment specialist, you know, I'm saying so the self-aware side of me says What what if I was attracting all the dumb chiropractors because I was a dumb trainer and that's why I'll haul it Now that we've elevated Idiots I ran maybe all my fault maybe exactly maybe all the bad chiropractors prey on all the bad trainers You know, that don't know any better That's not a bad point because if you think about like how dumb you were back in the day Thank you. No, not just you But I mean you in particular, but definitely other people not gonna include himself in this Just you and you guys, right? I was a bad trainer for a couple weeks when I first started No, I mean if you think about honestly like you go back 10 years 10 years or 15 years ago Well for me 15 because I started before you guys but 10 years ago even a lot of the shit that I said and did was wrong Well, I was just gonna ask you if we're if we're being completely honest with ourselves When would you say when did you really feel like you were a really good trainer or you felt like you were really truly? Making a difference in helping people. When did you feel that? Did you have a moment where you went fuck? I think I'm really breaking through. So both you and Justin were trainers Much longer than I was because I started as a personal trainer. I quickly got into sales Managing trainers for a short period of time. So I was a fitness manager for I Don't I think four months and then I went to sales and then I became a general manager So I did a lot of and my passion was fitness has always been my passion I always consider myself a trainer first manager second only because I loved fitness from from that particular standpoint Which is I think one of the reasons why I was effective with the trainers that work for me But I trained trainers for a long period of time. I didn't train clients then when I Sold I excuse me left corporate fitness or whatever the big box gyms Then I bought my wellness facility and that's when I became a personal trainer and and really did that for a long time And I'll I'd say probably I Wouldn't consider myself like good until maybe a Maybe ten years ago eight to ten years ago where I was starting to get really good At personal training, but it wasn't it was really a product of the people I surrounded myself with Luckily, I was because I own that facility and I kind of had this vision of having a facility with all these different modalities of people with different viewpoints Kind of by accident is I knew to build a business if I did that that would be more successful So I even though I disagreed with the people that worked in my gym half the time I was open-minded enough and and you know welcoming enough to accept them in so I had like I had this physical Therapist who was also a holistic life coach and did gut testing and food intolerance testing Then had a massage therapist that was totally into like the spiritual side of things and when I first met them I was like you guys are cool great people you guys have good intentions lots of your side. I'll stay on my side Yeah, I don't I don't believe have to shit. You're saying but whatever But you know what because I worked with them and I kind of respected them little by little I started kind of learning from it and that's when I became a better trainer I don't know if I would have necessarily advanced had I not been surrounded by them I mean look how fast we've advanced with mine pump because of all the people we've been exposed to what do you think? What do you think was the most? You know we talk about our paradigm being shattered. What do you think was the hardest thing for you to break? Like I know we talk about small meals. We talk about protein. We talk about all these things For me like personally for example, I did not try and lean out, right? until I was 28 or 29 years old so I spent 29 years on the bulk literally Like literally like literally spent 29 years bulking never once did I really truly go on a longer than a couple weeks of calorie restricting and dieting to lean out because I was so insecure about being small skinny That I would I would rather be looked at as bigger thicker with a little bit of fat than Small and lean and potentially ripped so dude. Let me ask you when you were a kid, especially when you were a teenager Did it like hurt you on the inside when people say say things like you're skinny Oh, yeah, I hated that and being always the fucking being called skinny For me is up what was up there with? Some of the biggest ways you could insult me right especially when I was training like that once I was working towards it And I was working a way to try and build muscle to call me skinny or small or little or lean like I had that complex for sure But I didn't realize how important it would be for me to actually go on a Leaning out process For my overall journey and it took me a very very long time to break through those insecure I mean I was the kid when I was younger I remember I went through a phase of the like the triple shirts Did you ever go through that where I wear a wife beater a t-shirt than another t-shirt? Oh, man And when I junior high yeah, and when I think about it what why would you do that as a kid? You were doing that to look Fuller right to look fuller to look bigger like there's it serves no other purpose to wear fucking three t-shirts, you know It's absurd. Let me ask so here's it. Here's this is interesting for basketball and you get like little stick arms, right? You know here's something else that's for so when I was lifting weights and I started lifting it like you know I said like consistently 13 14 years old a Lot of the guys that I knew the friends of mine that I knew that lifted weights did it because they wanted the attention of girls I Did not lift weights for girls at all I lifted weights because I wanted other guys to think that I was stronger and bigger I could give a shit about I already I always had attention from girls That was never a problem for me because I had a you know I need man I can talk and I always I realized in an early age if I walk to me I could talk and like talking was Was pretty effective at getting girls attention hello, and it was like That Kermit voice It was no it was because I felt like But yeah, that's what that's why I lift their weights. It was just to be like you said big inside I couldn't give a shit about a six pack. I don't want abs. Yeah, I don't want to be big. Yeah, you know That's I would rather be or die. I would much rather which is also. I Mean I remember I would see the scale go down Like if I just laid off the throttle for a day or two, you know if I and that would freak me out like oh my god I lost three pounds last night. Like I got it And I couldn't get I really if I was training I couldn't get fat It was just you know was a thicker, you know Then I was when I then I wasn't paying attention to it I don't okay So what's the what's like the fattest you achieved do you think well when you were not working out? So I'm talking about when you were actively lifting and bulking so the irony, right? It is if it and it was like a total blessing and disguise for me to Move over into the cannabis industry for a couple years because I became Heavily I've always been money motivated, but at this point in my life. I made a decision on I'm gonna do something Purely for the money I have no real passion for it desire for it But I see the potential and the amount of money that I can make and I'm going to bury myself in it Like that was the mentality. So I was eating Jack-in-the-box and quiz-nose sandwiches and ice cream and whatever the fuck that I always ate before But I wasn't training nowhere near as what I was and now I was no longer training clients eight to 12 hours a day I was sitting behind a desk and you finally and you're older and I'm well and I'm 30 years old now at this time so 29 going on 30 and For the first time in my life, and I'll never at this moment is extremely vivid to me I remember laying in bed next to Katrina and I was scratching my side as I was laying on my side and I actually Felt my belly. I actually felt I've never hanging off. Yeah, it was to the side like I can actually and it wasn't like major I didn't have like a huge gut that hung over my over my you didn't get a dick, dude Yeah, I didn't I didn't have a dick. No, I didn't have that. That's where your stomach sticks out more than your dick Do yeah, it wasn't it wasn't that bad So my coach said that one time I I But I had never felt that he was great I'd never felt that and I never a crazy part is when I looked at myself in the mirror I didn't think I didn't see that no because you're so skewed. Yes I was so skewed with being small that I was actually like fuck. Yeah, I'm like I'm over 200 pound I was I had such a hard time being over 200 pounds that even though I was fat and over 200 I was more cool with it than I would have been if I was 175 pounds and lean and ripped How crazy is that and the only thing that that changed that thought process for me was they felt the fat Like because I felt it weird and I was like, oh, that doesn't feel my stomach shouldn't hang to the side like that I had to like really look at myself objectively and go wow I could probably lose some fat for once in my life and that's what made me go Okay, I'm gonna go on this transformation journey and I'm gonna start cutting And that just that changed so much for me. Yeah, for me. It was I was managing the 24-hour Santa Teresa and I had DJ dens more Was my you guys know DJ. Yeah fucking great guy. He was my AGM He had moved over from the fitness manager position and then Ryan DeVita Who you guys met the other day was my fitness manager and The three of us were like buddies right we're boys and of course when you're a general manager of your club Those are those are kind of like your right and left-hand person right your fitness manager and your assistant manager And you work with other leaders in your gym, but those tend to be your your closest people So the three of us ended up started we started to lift weights together and we're all pretty big strong dudes Ryan definitely The most genetically gifted in that department in terms of size And we were in my office one day and we were talking about how who can gain the most size and so I said hey Let's do it. Let's fucking do a contest Let's see who can gain the most weight and I remember what the time period the time frame was But let's just see you can gain the most weight like anyway, it doesn't even matter while we're lifting We can work out together. We're just gonna fucking gain weight So it was it was horrible dude if I look back at what we would do like there's a pizza hut Down the way from the 24 Fitness in San Teresa That had an all-you-can-eat lunch period the buffet UK I don't know if you guys ever went there for that because I know you guys work to San Teresa, too So I what's that teriyaki bowl place? Yeah, I'll do every day dude I'd go there and I destroy Probably a large or more pizza then there was a KFC right over there a bucket of chicken There was a McDonald's right there They had 99 cents cheeseburgers and I'd order like ten dollars worth. It's like ten cheeseburgers And we would smash them and I would destroy them and then it became a contest to who can eat more and I you know You guys know me right you guys know that if I get competitive the thing that I love most about competition isn't necessarily the Who's gonna win? That's cool, too, but it's that while we're competing It's the shit talking the psychological point piece that it makes me laugh. I love it Yeah, so I would literally I'd have a bucket of chicken in my office And I I'd page them through the intercom like attention 24 fitness, you know staff, you know Ryan and DJ to Sal's office. They come in and be like I'm eating my fucking chicken right now What are you guys doing? So I'd fuck with them about it, right? So we would do this back and forth then I drink weight gainers with my food to wash things down I remember doing the same I got my body weight and remember I'm a six foot guy I don't have like a big bone structure You know, I'm not I'm relatively narrow. I'm probably I'm definitely more ectomorph than anything bird like yeah I got I got my I got my my body weight up to like 238 pounds or something like I got 190 right now, right? I remember when you were that massive because we You you when we ran into each other when we saw each other years later It was I thought you were like half the person that you were like I was like I remember Sal being like bigger than me like I remember and I remember when we saw it when I came over to your studio abs when When I came with Larry yeah, and I had seen you for the first time in years since we'd worked together And I remember looking at and you were ripped you were lean, but you were way smaller I was like dude though I remembered you as big Sal where your arms were like bursting out of your fucking out of your polo dude I got 230 massive beef cake I got we got so all of us got real heavy Ryan got up to 245. I got up to 238 DJ got up to 220 and What really was this was a scary part now up into this point I didn't give a shit. I was like I'm just getting big and I was strong I got really strong to and I can get strong if I stuff myself with food, but Who was it? It was like one of our other trainers who was kind of making fun of us How how like fat and heavy we were and she goes let's see you guys get on the stationary bike right now Making fun of us, so I'm like that's fucking who cares right I got on the stationary bike and Within start wheezing within five minutes dude within five minutes. I started getting out of breath Hey, you know, I'm like a 30 year old not even 30. I was probably 27 year old dude And I got out of breath within five minutes on this on the stationary bike. I remember thinking like oh, no That was the bike does that was the big indicator for me when I did the same thing I was I was bulking up so aggressively and I got up to about 235 In the morning right naked first thing like I was and then I would push beyond 240 in the day Because when you're that big when you're 230 you can stuff your food Oh, you're you're fluctuating 10 plus pounds a day Yeah, like you're you're you're consuming 10 pounds of food and water. Yeah, you have 10 pound poops, right? So here so I remember teaching at that time I had boot camps and it was pretty pretty common for me to Run a lap with the ladies and warm up and then stretch them out and like, you know That was kind of like what I did right and they're most of them are like 55 plus years old so I should be able to smoke most of them around the track and I would now at this time I had kind of stopped doing that and they all knew why because I was bulking I was like, oh, I can't run, you know, because I don't want to burn any extra calories I need to make sure right. It was consuming that much Yeah, well, I saw exactly so I couldn't do it just not doing it And then we just walk around a wheelchair all the time and then after I had bulked up lean on this post To the highest I'd ever been I decided, okay Now it's time to start leaning out and I remember the first lap I ran with them and I'll never forget Inside just grimacing and trying not to let them see it and like my shins were on fire I was gasping for it. I thought oh my god. This is one lap around the track I can't believe I feel this way and I remember getting getting done and going whoa I talk about signs that you're pushing the body beyond where it wants to be and That forever has stuck with me and and anytime I do I start once and for me It's about 225 when I get beyond 225 I start to notice those signs and you know, I'm dealing with it again right now It's really funny how you know, I got up to 225 pretty quick and now from here on out It's a struggle for me to add weight and add size and I start to notice all these little things I notice my stool. I notice Just my stomach feeling full and below at all time. I feel my mobility starting to give a little bit So, you know, I have a nice little battle going on right now with you know, how do I do this? I remember the first time I saw like pro bodybuilders. I went to the like in person. I went to the Arnold classic Convention or whatever and I'm sitting there looking at these Massive human beings and we're sitting in this air conditioned auditorium and they're just fucking signing autographs And they are sweating like they're like they just did a shit ton of cardio and I'm looking at them like wow Why are they so tired like and then we're they would walk and I'd see them Yeah, and I was like whoa, that's my roommate in college. He's like six eight like Three hundred and sixty pounds Massive it was just like an ogre. Yeah, like he would just eat like everything. Have you seen him lately? I mean when's the last time you see yeah, he lost weight and then he was actually in my wedding I don't know if you remember, but like I had like a bunch of big dudes. Oh, yeah, your wedding was my wedding How funny is this at Justin's wedding Justin looked like a little tiny he looked like a little kid between his dad Matt his brothers and like his fucking guys in his way I was like dude like you never look so small before I'm so like mad at myself for doing that like I Should have made them all stand in a hole Like yeah, but yeah, like everybody was huge like I basically got like guys that were in a band with me And then like, you know play football with whatever, but yeah, and he's just humongous Yeah, the same thing you we would go anywhere. He just start like sweating profusely, you know And that's when I was like I was on the biggest I ever was and I was like 240 to 45 I think When I was trying to gain for to be inside backer, you know and I was trying to put on all the size and He would take me to all these buffets and all this shit like and oh my god We'd stack plates and it was just competitive that way because it was like you got a game You got a game here shoving like shakes Down my throat and then we're eating stack in place. It was miserable, dude I used to I would lift Weights and then there's that hometown buffet. That's not that yeah from the Hillsdale I crushed some of those. Yeah, and I'd lift and then I go to hometown buffet and you want to talk about You want to have a lifting to failure? I used to eat to failure. Yeah, like I go to hometown buffet and it was like I'm gonna push beyond the point of like it's literally training to do that to get that size Bro, I would fight back puking so I would fight back the fat like the urge to throw up because I ate so much So the bad is that the irony in all this is You know, it's the same thing on the other side, too So, you know, we're expressing what it was like being skinny guys with a complex of you know Being little and trying so hard to be big. I find that when I had clients that had been heavy their whole life or overweight They're doing all the other extremes starving the body Training super running cardio super hard doing everything they can and it's pretty crazy how you know The grass is always green on the other side or how we always tend to gravitate towards this this these habits and that tend to be bad for us and You know, those people are scared to death like lift some heavy-ass weight or fuel the body with some extra nutrients That maybe they don't actually like they would benefit a lot from like some serious heavy training because how quick their body would Probably put some mass and size on which in turn would end up speeding their metabolism But they're scared to death to do that when I when I talk to people now about have a best friend like that That's crazy when I talk to people now about nutrition stuff. I Really try to relate to them by remembering what it was like to be in my own body During that period of time where you are literally Here's you okay, so last night Me and me and my girlfriend are discussing just how Insidious our own Consciousnesses and how unaware we are of certain things and like like I said like when I was in that state of mind I was so unconscious of my distorted perception of myself and it's interesting We I actually pulled up on YouTube if you guys ever want to trip out over some crazy experiments look up The split brain experiments or split brain patients. These are people who had intractable epilepsy and one of the one of the Surgical procedures to save them was to sever the corpus callosum Which is the the bundle of nerves that connects the right and left hemisphere, so they'll sever that part of the brain so now the right and left side of the hemisphere don't communicate with each other and Otherwise, they're healthy. They can function normally in society, but then they'll do these interesting experiments where They will show the person a Picture in the in the right field of vision and I'm not sure if I have the right the right side here But you'll you get the idea They'll show them a picture of like a car and the right side of their like to the right eye and they'll ask them Do you see anything? And the person will say no I don't see anything because the left side of the brain is the one that processes language So like no, I don't see anything and then they'll say okay close your eyes and with your left hand Draw a picture and they'll draw a car And then they'll then they'll open their eyes like what is that and they'll be like, oh, that's a car And I'm like, why did you drive that draw that and I'm like, I don't know like they're so unaware They're so unaware that their brain is operating this way that and they're so fooled It would be like me telling you right now that you know The three of us were on the moon yesterday, and you'd be like no we weren't like you totally you're so fucking unaware But but this is what happens to us when we have these horrible perceptions of our own this body image issues That we force ourselves into these horrible things for ourselves, which is totally illogical It's like you couldn't rationalize to me if you went back if I went back in time and talked to myself And I sat myself down and said hey Sal check this out Here's what you're doing to your body and why it's not helping you. I wouldn't be able to rationalize myself I was so deep in it. Well, what I said when I'm I was looking at myself in the mirror And I did not see a fat guy. I did not see that so weird Yeah, and it took the physical feedback for it to cut for me to actually start to connect those dots I mean it it blew me away that I didn't watch that or see that coming now when I look back at pictures and I compare and contrast I'm like wow It's so crazy how we let these insecurities that are rooted from like our childhood Carry over into what dictates how we treat our bodies going forward and it's on both sides So like I said, we're talking about people that it's the same thing It's just different, but it's the same thing how many times have you guys had a female client that will You know bring a picture from when they were younger. I this is my favorite thing to do by the way Yeah, I'll have a female client who talk about how they want to lose weight and whatever and some of them will bring me a picture And be like this is back the glory days. Yeah, this is back before I had kids look how amazing I looked I'm gonna look like this now again, and then I'll ask them I'll say if we went back in time to that point How did you feel about your body then like oh, I thought I was so fat and I wait for them to fucking make that connection like At that time you thought you were so fat And now you're looking at it and saying that's what I want to look like and it's like this is this is what's you're still in this state you're in the state where your Perception of yourself is so distorted and so not based on any reality And we need to fix that before we use that as a motive as a motivator for your fitness and nutrition And that's so wrong and you first have to connect that before you then start talking about all the other things right before you start Talking about what is best for your body? I mean try taking somebody who has That issue right and then you tell them, okay This is also why later on I evolved as a trainer and realized I had to make people commit for three months with me because Then I take someone like that client that you're explaining right now and this girl who is 50 60 pounds overweight and just wants to be this smaller version of herself that she was five ten years ago And I tell her we need to lift some heavy-ass weight and we need to feed the body and God forbid She adds three pounds to the scale after she paid all this money to see me how fucking terrible of a trainer am I? But really it's what she needed right because she'd been starving her body for the last You know year on in nutritionally or maybe longer not training correctly if she did train It was all this circuit based high intensity no rest periods because she's punishing herself hammering away Sweating her ass off when it's like really what we need to do is back off a little bit feed your body strength train Build some good lean body mass, but try telling that to somebody who has an issue with or a complex of being fat Or big and all they want to be a smaller and they actually see the scale go up That is probably the greatest challenge for a good trainer or a good fitness. That's the challenge Yeah to help somebody and to get through their head So I tell you right now if you're a listener and you have struggled with that which most of us do whether whether you're on the I'm too skinny side or I'm too fat side, you know, we have this Perception of ourself that is completely disordered that's driven by insecurities that are probably deeply rooted to when we were Children and they still will always surface and they'll show themselves in different ways You once become once you become aware of that this journey becomes a lot easier because then you can start Applying what what you're learning as far as the science behind how you should train and how you should eat and Start making the right decisions. Yes, right the bird Today's quads being brought to you by Chimera coffee It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural Neutropics for a cleaner calmer and more focused buzz without the crash Put the Chimera link at mind pump media comm and input the discount code Mind pump a check out for 10% off All right, the first question is from Eric Barnes 51 What do you think about these new hybrid athletes that mix bodybuilding with endurance events like triathlons? Can you be successful at both? So two questions here? What yeah, what is this? What is this? Spartan are we talking about well? No, I think they're just referring to and I'm not familiar with I don't I don't necessarily see this trend But they're talking about You know people who are like trying to build muscle mass But then also want maximum endurance and they're competing in like he said or like she said Triathlons, but the second question is because the first question is what do I think about it? And this or what do we think about in the second question is can you be? Successful about so question number one. What do I think about it? I think it's fucking awesome Do whatever you want to do if you right want to Combine different modalities and you've got smart programming Then then all the power to you Can you be successful at both? No, probably not be because you can be Okay Are you gonna win bodybuilding competition and win a trial we have that we had to define but is it possible? Absolutely, it's possible. Is it likely that you are going to be in the Upper 10% of each of those categories. That's less likely right that you're you could be a successful athlete And a successful bodybuilder and do a hybrid of the both and be fine But it's they're they're conflicting modalities. You're asking your body to Give to give you two adaptations that don't necessarily especially when you're pushing those adaptations what you won't be and is It can I have everything you will most certainly not be able to be an endurance athlete The best endurance athlete and the best bodybuilder at the same time. That's impossible You'd have to be a genetic like freak of nature. We haven't seen that yet. You won't be both You're so extreme. They're so different like I think you could be a successful powerlifter and bodybuilder But there's they're closely related. That's more similar. Yeah, exactly Because on the one end I'm asking my body to Build maximal muscle size and on the other hand I'm asking my body to become extremely efficient It doesn't benefit you running all day long, right on an endurance Challenge so it's yeah, you're giving your body mixed signals now I do believe what do they call it Matt like a Jack-of-all-trade or a master of none or something like that. Yeah jack of all trades ace of none So what you could do and I believe I'm in a position to do this right now where I go on a kick where I Decided that I'm this bodybuilding guy work my way up become a pro. I'm good at it I would consider myself better than the average person at it So I could say that I've had success I'm doing air quotes right now in bodybuilding and now I decide I'm going to go on a Journey to become great at you know OCR and triathlons and endurance type stuff I absolutely can start training my body that direction to live in both at the same time and And be successful at both at the same time is very unlikely and you don't remind me of it reminds me of You know when you play video games to the only person that can do this Bo Jackson Man he did football and baseball. Yeah, I could do anything, but that's what but I mean It's like one isn't gonna take away from no, that's that's that was a very good joke. Yeah, thank you But if you look at it reminds me of video games, you know when you have to pick an avatar like a fighting game And they give you like 50 points my analogies They give you like 50 points and you have to like use so many points for each attribute like strength Yeah, and you can't give all 50 to strength because if you do then you have none of the other ones and So turn into Dosh lawn, you know Doss lean Did you guys by the way? Do you guys know that they have here in San Jose? They have street fighter tournaments right now. No, where you pay. I swear to God, dude You pay 25 and her you pay 25 bucks and you can win like $500. Oh, yeah Who's your guy? Mine's Kyle. I could beat you with any of them. No any guy bold statements You pick the guy for me, and I'll beat you yet Weird because I've eaten you every video game we have here. You've never played a lot of confidence there I'm the strike. I was humbled this weird. I was humbled this weekend in the in the the Delta I raced my brother-in-law who has a little beer gut on him and he's like good eight inches shorter than me like and he was running no swimming oh swimming and He was talking a mad game, and I was like dude. I'm not even gonna get in there I'm gonna smoke you and it's not even gonna be fun and like listen I'm pretty fast in the pool, and I was just I was talking the shit dude talking the shit I'm like looking at it. I mean my brother-in-law. He's I almost be like those college athletes So that why do you think I was talking shit? I was talking mad shit I thought I was gonna be able to like turn around look bad and wink at him and stop halfway and then continue No, no no no and in fact and he punched me twice why we were swimming and so he did edge me out the last Last minute there after he actually beat you. I like him kind of What had happened was we were it so the devil anyone is familiar with the Delta a good pie to eat sometimes Yeah, God, it was a little humble. No, it was awful what I will tell you this I mean the competitive side of me I was like we will do this in a pool just so you know so like I will not settle for Allowing after I'm you swam in the Delta. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that right and I always feel like I'm gonna like Swimming swim into a condom and let me tell you let me tell you where this is a definite advantage to somebody who And here's where technique matters in a situation like this So my dumbass thinks that be forget the technique forget all that I'm I'm gifted enough that I could pretty much be Most people that I talked shit to right or at least I thought well My brother-in-law also was a competitive swimmer even though he's much smaller in frame I definitely have the the the better genetics for swimming and probably in a little bit better shape than he is right now He's still Competitively hung with me and we were like bumping into each other. I couldn't see under the water. I'm like swollen Delta water I can't see I don't know how to tilt my head very well I'm swimming so like after he hit me twice in the face He didn't use Sal's pericyclines. I finally I finally stopped but then I looked around like holy shit, bro I cannot believe that I thought I was gonna get in front of you and then not even have to worry and then I Could like dog paddle house. How's your uh, how's your gut right now swallowing that Delta water? I don't know dude. I don't know if that was that or getting my getting beat by my brother-in-law was was worse I don't know which one so shout out to to him for for his swim his swim skills Yeah, but you know to bring it all back to bring it all back You can compete in both and you can get better at both But if you're the the more specialized you are with your training the better the results are for that particular Specialization the more generalized your training is The less you're gonna get in a particular attribute for a particular goal quick commercial break you guys We keep getting asked all the time. How can I support the mine pump family? 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It mayors. Yeah, there's definitely actually like like Justin's glorious glutes. I Definitely admire. No Really what I admire with you guys. I'll tell you I admire Justin's ability to Just step outside of his comfort zone. I've never met anybody So okay with doing that you can I mean and you can tell he's uncomfortable when he does it But that makes it that's what makes it admirable If it wasn't I agree I think I'd hundred percent agree. I've never placed myself in positions as uncomfortable as I've seen Adam Justin put himself in positions and he Almost seems like he seeks it out which is extremely admirable because I know that doing that is what forces growth and It's something that since meeting Or working with Justin. It's something that I've tried to do more of is put myself in situation Because I'm very I can be very I can stay in my safe zone very very easily and just avoid things. I'm not comfortable with It becomes a habit of mine. And so now I'm really trying to Take myself out of my comfort zone and I'm starting to find that it's really enjoyable to do so, you know I mean like I went on a road trip and I went camping and then we had to kayak without any You know any direction and not knowing necessarily where we're gonna go never in a million years What I've done that before I fucking get anxious doing that shit and I did it and I forced myself out of my comfort zone And it was like such a great growth opportunity Adam I definitely admire his ability to Work a crowd he can move move into a crowd very comfortably and confidently and Just be very comfortable with what he's doing. I am comfortable In certain situations, I should say or I feel like I'm good in certain situations But not necessarily just walking into a crowd Adam seems to do it With ease very seems very comfortable when he does it. So I tend to watch In certain circumstances and observe and pick up and learn From the techniques that he does that maybe he does very naturally But I watch and try and pick up on those so I say those are the two that come to my mind first Yeah, no, I would I would definitely agree with you about Adam I think too with Adam like just his ability to read people and like sort of see there how to meet them and match their their energy and kind of Persuade in not not like a creepy way, but persuade them in a certain way that He can get his point across and you know, it's it's it's masterful to see sometimes But yeah, and then Sal just your Just your your ability to articulate information For one and and just like the confidence that you exude That's not like arrogant, you know, I don't know how you do it, but it is something that like it's contagious So, you know, I think a lot of myself now, you know, just being around you And and that's not even a bad thing, you know, it's just like, you know Like why not, you know, why not care yourself that way? So, you know, I do I admire that quite a bit and Doug is well, I'm gonna include into this Just is his positive attitude while working like I've never seen anybody work in my life. He's dealing with us Mr. He's a soldier. He's the Iron Man consistent. Exactly. He gets the Iron Man award Yeah, for sure for mine pump 100% so yeah, that's great You know, it's funny about Sal that you said that and I couldn't agree more and it's funny because recently You know, I've met a couple people that that are either close to me or a friend of a friend and It's funny when I hear some people's perception of him because he because he speaks in certainties That when they meet him, I never do And Because of that I've actually had a lot of people that were totally surprised by Meeting him when I don't think it's surprising at all. I think he's extremely humble an incredible communicator In a lot of people think that he's gonna be this kind of pompous Arrogant type of guy, which is so funny to me because what I find most admirable about him is his humility His ability to be so confident so intelligent hold the conversation with pretty much anybody in any field And and do that confidently but not arrogantly and I think that is such a rare rare thing I've met lots of brilliant minds lots of lots of intelligent people in In the fitness world and outside of the fitness world and something that is common with most all of them with that Confidence comes this arrogance so I can understand why some people Assume or think that oh, he's probably like that because he's really smart and he talks in certainties And he rattles off studies all the time so but it's funny to me when they they're so surprised like man Sal is such a really nice humble sweet guy. I'm like, what did you think he was gonna be like this? He come off like an asshole on the show because I think I come off more like the asshole on the show I think sometimes people's perception of us on here because of maybe the roles that we play as far as this team Like I definitely think that each of us Doug included You know, we have our point guard our center our power forward or whatever sport you want to compare to But when you get to know all of us We have a very good understanding of all the positions and can play them all pretty well But on the on the show we tend to gravitate towards our position if that makes sense And so Sal has this, you know, we have definitely he has put himself out there as the Almost like the center of attention a lot of time But not because he he needs this center of attention because we all recognize that he presents our message Better than any of us could individually and I think to me that's one of the most admirable things It's a lot of a lot of pressure comes with that position to be the one who always speaks up or counters or You know, it's not afraid to take on any debate or argument no matter how Intelligent the other person is he has this ability to do that and do it confidently without ever wavering To me, that's incredibly admirable and I think that a lot of people even misunderstand how humble He is while he does all that to me. I'm always striving to be that way So something that I try and do on a regular basis is You know be confident and be humble at the same time, which you know, we just talked about a question before Those are almost conflicting goals Yeah, you know, there's there is definitely a a very fine line that you dance there because most people That are really really confident flirt with Borderline arrogance and then the people that are extremely humble are also quiet as a fucking mouse So how do you become this person who is outspoken and is not afraid to speak his mind and speak candidly and at the same time? Extremely humble and I think that in my opinion of all the brilliant minds and people and humans I've been around I think he represents that More than almost anybody I know I think Justin also has a very quiet powerful humility about him that I always tried to be something that Justin does really well That I think is why we made good partners even before mine pump his He represents the side of me that I need to be more of which when I get in a situation I am I am quick to talk in a room or that that's a strength of mine Which I always talk about your greatest strength is your greatest weakness and I recognize that and sometimes I need to shut the fuck up and just sit in the room and listen and observe and Justin does this very well, you know A lot of people think he's quiet or shy sometimes when he's not that at all In fact, what he's doing is he's observing everybody's body language their responses their attitude and And he's making his own assessment on this person's character Which also makes us an incredible team because he mentioned before about my ability to read character a lot of times I'll vocalize that afterwards and I'll be able to get his feedback on the things that he was observing and seeing and I can rely on it as very accurate because I know that's what the fuck he was doing He wasn't just sitting in the room twiddling his thumb or engulfed in the conversation that he wasn't paying attention He was very much so paying attention. He was assessing everything that was going on So the collaboration of the two of us together to do that becomes very powerful and another very dangerous Dynamic between the two of us right So just just so you know And so I'm always striving to be better about that I'm trying to be Better and more like him in that area and since Justin did throw Doug in there. I will too Doug What is awesome about Doug and what I always try and do is You know talk about a guy who 100% knows way the fuck more than any of us in this room About internet marketing about building a website about starting a podcast about recording any video But yet he listens to the bullshit that we are constantly yelling and arguing with him And I don't know if I could do that. I don't know if I could be a really good dad Well, this is why we this is why we call him that is and I and I recognize that that you know I don't know how I would do if I had three knuckleheads that were that knew nothing really about fitness that we're Want to argue anyway, right that we're constantly arguing with me on what's the best way for us to do things Wow, does that take a lot of humility? Wow, does that take a lot of self-control and discipline and then for his ability to Maneuver with all of us doing that constantly Obviously speaks to a lot of the success that mine pup has so Again, and that's kind of similar to some of the things that Justin I think that's something I'm Striving to be more like on on a daily basis my favorite is when Doug lets us go off on our tangents like we do all the time So we'll just go off on these ideas and like we're and that's what we do really well as we come up with Random ideas and then don't be like, you know, that's a good idea But what we should probably focus on is on this thing here that we said we were gonna focus on and he's just really cool About it like and we're always like oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's good, but he lets us get it out You know I'm saying he lets us like verbalize what we're gonna verbalize Well, and he's it to me doesn't get pissed off doesn't know I think that one of one of the things that I really appreciated about him when we first all got together was He recognized that part of the the brilliance or the unique and what was special about The three of us together was allowing that flexibility and freedom So even if he doesn't always a hundred percent agree with us. He does he's smart enough and intelligent enough to see that I don't want to Suppress any of the creativity of allowing that freedom and so he has this mentality of I'd rather them You know give them more latitude and probably make some bad decisions They're like a father figure right kind of gives you that little bit of room to learn on your own get burned a couple times Run into a couple brick walls to figure out Maybe that wasn't best because somebody who tries to control a situation like in ours so much Could actually end up suppressing or hindering the it wouldn't work if someone tried to control us Loose cannons, but you do have a lot of good ideas. So I'll go with it. Now. I think I want to hear dog I want to hear I want to hear do you have it? Do you have an assessment of each one of us? There's because I think you have the coolest perspective Of all of us too. Is there something about each person in this room? That you admire and that you strive to to apply to your life Yeah, absolutely. And I think some of it's a reflection of what's already been mentioned. I'll start with Justin Justin his sense of humor. I appreciate his spontaneity and his ability to get a really good joke out or he has a Incredible ability to take on different characters and voices and that type of thing Which you probably really appreciate because you have a background in in comedy and doing things like that, too, right? Yeah, absolutely, and we appreciate that Justin you do Make me laugh a lot which is great and I like to laugh Sal again that memory of yours and the ability to express it I think that's one of the things I wish I would do is sometimes just get out of my head and just speak from my heart and I feel Sal one of the things that you do really well is you don't focus on so much how you're saying something but the message that you're trying to get across and Because of that you don't get caught up in okay Am I saying this exactly the right way or whatever the case may be and it comes out great I would say that the same thing applies to you Adam as well the bowl in the china shop thing Sometimes I feel like I could use some more of that just that Willingness just to be bold and let things fly and not give a rat's ass about what I say so much because you know You don't worry about oh am I pronouncing all the words right am I always using the words in the correct context? No, but it doesn't matter, you know, there's many times I could say oh Adam you could say mentality Instead of mentality or whatever else I could correct you But I don't want to do that because number one it doesn't really matter right and number two is You're out there in the field, you know, you're the one in the game, right? You're expressing yourself and so I just want you to have free reign with that so I am I guess you'd say envious I don't know envious, but I admire I admire all those traits in all of you Very cool. Cool. All right next up is Hope Granger Who is asking how open do both parties have to be when a guest comes on mind pump with conflicting views such as Lane Norton and the Iif ym so and they brought up other examples too of how we had guess, you know Like Paul check and how extremely holistic or you know that spiritual side and you know how we have guests that come on that We don't necessarily Meet eye-to-eye with on everything like how I guess how open-minded do we have to be do we have to be Well, I you know We're we're developing a reputation for Being great hosts. This is every single person we've interviewed. This is something we take pride in we don't share this very often But people will tell us how we're really great hosts because we allow people we give people the space To be who they are even if we disagree with what they're saying I would argue that this is the thing that we are all probably most proud of if we were to Not also add the forum in there I think the forum in this are two things outside of off-radio that we discussed that we take a lot of pride in What we've built so far and how much we want to continue to grow and better that The environment that we've built on the forum and then that ability that I all of us We all want if I don't care who the guest is how famous how well-known whatever But I want you to know that when you come on mine pump that when you leave you go like Dan That was the best interview I've ever done like and we've we have received that From a majority if not all of our guests and that to me is something that we all strive We definitely want to feel comfortable because I mean you they're not going to be able to really Convey their true self if they're in a hostile right environment in situation. And so yeah, we're definitely That's our first thought process is like how can we Sort of break this this barrier that this front that they're coming in with even if they they're coming in with a different view We want to kind of relate first and Get get them to kind of engage and then we'll go from you know what I'm glad this came up because this was actually on my mind the other day and I've been meaning to get it off my chest and talk about this because we had gotten some feedback in regards to Like recent episode like oh you guys sound like you guys kissed his ass or you sound like this a little bit and Sometimes I feel like I even I feel like that I listen to it. I'm like, ah, we kind of man Yeah, we kind of feel like we were sucking up a but a lot of that is really Trying to make that guess feel comfortable if I'm gonna ask a Guest some really deep personal shit or ask them to share their insecurities or give up information that they've never given up Before in a podcast I sure as shit can't come out You know attacking their personality or being really cold or you know I and if that means I got a lean towards if I am sure right I mean if it means I got a lean towards kissing their ass a little bit to get them to settle down and be comfortable I'd rather as a as a host come off that way a little bit to get my guest to calm the fuck down a little bit Feel comfortable because when you do that when you compliment somebody that way and you do have dialect like that the very beginning They tend to bring that drop that guard and then then that allows us to get into a much deeper podcast We if we have a guest on the show, it doesn't mean we agree with them It means that in some respect or in some way we respect them So maybe they have a totally conflicting view on fitness, but they Have a huge following and they're they're definitely influential. Well, I'll respect that I'll respect the fact that like I'll tell you what if Who's the guy that runs shreds that started shreds? Oh, Arvid Arvin Arvin, right? So Shit supplements stupid, you know the message that I bring on the show. It's all crap But just to talk business to thank you. I respect That he was able to start from nothing and create this brand that got real popular He's obviously know something and I want guests to know that they could come on the show And we we may debate them We may You know challenge them a little bit, but we respect them So it's okay if we disagree and this is life by the way Well, a perfect, you know, this is life life is like this You're gonna disagree with people people are gonna disagree with you. Yeah, that's okay That's fine. If they're not hurting you they're not stealing from you Then we can discuss things and disagree on things and respect each other's ability to express Our opinion. It doesn't mean that the end of it. We're gonna be like ooh I learned, you know, I agree with you or you agree with me Sometimes that happens a lot of times it doesn't and it doesn't fucking matter Like when lane came on the show and we talked about artificial sweeteners. I guarantee you I we we disagree on that wholeheartedly. We still disagree on that and we can debate and discuss it all day long I still respect the guy. I respect him quite a bit respect some of the stuff. He does he respects mind pump He's comfortable. He's welcome to be on the show Paul check is another individual individual paul check. I respect tremendously I've referred to him as the godfather of wellness Some of the stuff he says goes way over my head Some of the stuff he says I'm like wow, I don't know what you're talking about and I'll say that to him and I actually did I actually tell him Hey, man Uh, some of that sounds crazy. Yeah, some of that stuff you're saying sounds crazy And you're losing a lot of people and he's gonna tell me well, I don't give a shit I'm gonna say what I want anyway, and I'll be like cool. I respect that But there's also listeners who may gain some insight from these differing opinions What I don't want is I don't want mind pump And I don't think none of us want this to become this echo chamber Of guests that come on that sound like us all the time. Oh, it's confirmation bias. Why the fuck would we want that? I would never be challenged. Yeah, absolutely And you know too like it doesn't have to be uh, you know funny We bring this question up too and lane orange something recently had happened. I remember Uh, we had had jordan shallow on the show And I know jordan is not a big lane fan And I had chimed in and said something that you know some talking about lane's views And some you know some of our fans were like Uh, you talk shit about lane, but then you're all boys. I'm like, listen because any time there's nothing Obviously that I'll say on the show that I would not say to lane or any other guests their face This is what we and what we've discussed outside of this podcast like I'm not stupid This podcast is being aired fucking tens of thousands of people are missing to it If you don't think that I wouldn't think that that person doesn't try to get right Don't tell any play just between us guys Yeah Between the other million and it was funny because that someone had messaged that uh at the same day that we were having Dinner with lane and it's like you have no fucking idea the relationship that any of us have with these guests And a lot of us have or the three of us have a lot of respect for a lot of these guests Even if we don't agree with all their their values and their views on a lot of things We've had it with the psychedelic talk We we disagree with a lot of guys and we agree with some things We with with a cannabis we've discussed and had different views with people We've had it with the sugar and the ify m thing with lane like I mean it it's gonna happen and I think Well to get to gain success you got you got to be a bit of an outlier, right? You got to be a bit polarizing and you know a lot of people They they want to Pin them in that position Forever and they want them to to become this person that's represents like this thing and so I've just noticed like Um, you know getting kind of swept into that mentality where you're like you have a you have an opinion about somebody going into something Every single time I've talked to them. They've changed my mind. Oh always, right? So it's like every guest. Yeah So now I'm just like well, whatever. We'll see who they really are as a person You know like that's that's where I want to get to When we do this interview. Well, and I don't think that So when the question is, you know, how do how open do both parties have to be I think mind pumps, I don't think there is a guest one that somebody could say If if they're of influence now, mind you you got to keep in mind that we have somebody who we have somebody who Literally their job is just reading these emails We get bombarded with everybody who thinks they should be a guest on mind pump, right? So once mind pump got to a certain point like now everybody anybody and everybody that's trying to start a health and fitness business And they think they have a similar message as we do is asking to be on the show So obviously not everybody comes on the show We're looking for people. They're going to add value to our audience And a lot of times it does not have to be similar views us now Of course, we like learning from these people that you know, where we're doing research or learning or reading about ourselves And it's like god, I would love to hear this expert come on and talk even deeper into this topic But we're most certainly not going to shy away from somebody who has conflict conflicting views as we do But a lot of times if it's really strongly conflicted It could just be really fucking wrong too So well, I'm most certainly not going to waste our waste anybody's time By bringing somebody on the show because they've done a good job of marketing themselves and selling themselves well on their ideologies But I know it's not backed by science and it's a bunch of bullshit And they just somebody just wants to have them come on the show because they know that Well, we may even have views and we may even have them on the show and tell them that I mean I'll tell you what the people that I can be the most honest with that I can call out Are the ones that I like and the ones that I tend to be friends with Random people not so much. 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Here's what you can do You can go to www.brain.fm forward slash mine pump and get 20 off brain fm for meditation or focus You can also go to audible trial.com forward slash mine pump and get a 30 day trial plus one free audio book Lastly, you can go to get nature blend.com forward slash mine pump and you will get a discount on ben greenfield cbd product Will see poo What are your thoughts on the McGregor mayweather fight? Oh my goodness. Oh justin your boy. Yeah, I think we're all very excited to watch it Um, can I tell you dude that I'm I'm like I love the shit. I'm getting I do but I'm getting a little bit sick of it They are literally is it going far bro. They're the shit talking is not going too far. They're scheduling Yeah, it's all these events Okay, and all they do is come out and they have a mic and they talk shit to each other In front of a crowd and it's just it's becoming a fucking comedy show people are eating it It was cool the first couple times. Yeah, that's the thing I've only seen the first few times. They did it and they're still going with that, huh? Well, I'll tell you what uh Yeah, I can get old connor McGregor is one of the most brilliant Self promoters I've ever seen in my entire life ever and I'm a big fan of the fight sports boxing and and uh and mma And there's some that were really good Muhammad Ali was like the other the freaking guy that really started He's really the one that kind of wrote the script on how to do this right and he was brilliant at it And then you had guys who were kind of shitty at it like Mike Tyson, I mean he was so terrifying in the ring And some of the shit that he said you were just like yeah, I'm gonna eat your children I think you could debate how great he was. I thought he was great dude. I think that was no He was ahead of his time. He's just fucking He was too much. He was like it was too much like he let out his real feelings. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna rape you He said shit like that. What uh, but McGregor is just brilliant at it. Um, he weaseled his way in think about this now He how many boxers high level boxers with crazy pedigrees and crazy backgrounds of and win, you know, um Records and whatever would die would cut off their arm to get the opportunity to fight Floyd Mayweather who's arguably the best boxer ever of our time or ever How many of them would love to do that way more qualified than McGregor? Here you have an MMA guy who's not even the best like striker in MMA. He's good But he weasels his way into a fucking Boxing match the greatest boxer of all time, you know that this is the fucking money machine Oh my god This is where all the naysayers and the people that are hating on this are are the purists, right? Like if you're a purist and and you just love the sport of boxing And you look at this like this is the circus Yeah, exactly You get is a circus and this is not fair because they know boxing so well that they know the top three contenders, right? Who in their mind if you're if you're a true boxing fan, isn't it cannello and and see I don't even know somebody else Yeah, I had a fight and it's like, you know the best of the best in the world. Oh, yeah No publicity. It's uh, what's this? Oh god. I'm damn it. Yeah that there's there is a epic boxing fight That's supposed to happen. Yeah, nobody is really even yeah talking about it because it's it's being drowned out by this And so yeah, so if you're a purist and you're really into boxing you are a little irritated by this this fight because statistically and Realistically, I don't think that McGregor has a fucking chance now if in fighting Okay, everybody has a chance one punch one good punch the right time could take somebody out but Mayweather is the one of the best if not arguably the best At defense and making sure he doesn't get knocked out by some of the best hands He's a legend mayweather sleeps and breeze of this. He's a 20 plus years. He's a fucking legend He started boxing these four. Here's the thing people need to understand about about the fight sports When you're an MMA fighter and you're the best of the best in MMA You're usually not the best at one of those attributes like you're not The best boxer and then you're terrible at the ground You do sometimes get like a world champion kickboxer who fights MMA and then kind of does But usually you're just good at using them all using the cage and fighting MMA And I know this because I've trained and I'm lucky enough to have trained in kind of one of the Hubs of MMA, which is San Jose. We've got some great schools around here and I've seen some of these like top level competitors in in in MMA Go roll with a with a with a high level super high level competitive jujitsu guy and just do jujitsu And they get schooled at just jujitsu Of course, if you throw them in the cage, they kick the crap out of the jujitsu guy because they're an MMA guy I've also seen them do this with boxing and kickboxing and wrestling like you take the a great MMA guy Have them go do Greco Roman against the gold medalists. They're going to get schooled So when it comes to that, I mean Of course, McGregor's got a chance Mayweather's older his hands are you know kind of fucked up and you know But I just don't see how now you put them in the cage. McGregor's gonna be Yeah, right. That's not even close. I mean that's that's I think that's how you look at this is Either one of them in their field dominates the other one. Yeah, McGregor in an MMA cage dominates Mayweather Oh ankle pick choke them out. Yeah And in boxing it's kind of hard to like Create like a sort of a surprise punch or you know what I mean? Like it whereas there's so many variables in MMA that he could just spring where like boxing it's consistent Like you have to you have the skill or you don't right? You know, it's like it's very obvious And I think what we'll see like if if Mayweather comes if uh if McGregor comes in there and for some reason I mean because he's his only chance his only hope in this fight is in the first three to four rounds Everything he's got right you throwing the everything at him Hey makers, whatever and the only way I see this like even turning into a halfway decent fight is that's what happens McGregor comes out swinging like crazy and actually punches through his block I think I think McGregor is gonna come out and he's gonna get into his karate stance because I think he's gonna be very unorthodox or unorthodox He should which I think is smart. I think he should do that. He's gonna go lefty because McGregor can switch He's a switch fight so he can go right and left he's gonna go lefty because uh, the only people have ever given Mayweather like serious trouble were lefties and uh, he's gonna play the kind of counter fight Which is gonna be interesting because Mayweather's he's gonna move all shifting right It could turn into an awful fight. He's bigger than a lot bigger than Mayweather. If this goes a weird fight If this goes the distance, I'll be disappointed and to be honest with you Statistically the odds are it's gonna go the distance. I mean odds are yeah Well Mayweather hasn't knocked anybody out in years right Mayweather hasn't knocked anybody out in years If McGregor has I don't see him wanting to take a chance either. Exactly. Why would you take a chance to come in close? I'll tell you why. Okay. McGregor ride over money over your record. Well, hold on a second McGregor has Literally nothing to lose with this if he goes in and loses That's what everybody said he would happen And all he has to do then is invite Mayweather to the cage to save face and say, okay I came to your world now you come to mind Mayweather has nothing to win even if he knocks out McGregor What's what's he gonna say was supposed to he was there's nothing he has nothing to win This is pure money Mayweather's gonna win on points. It's gonna be boring. Well all that being said I'm gonna put my money on McGregor not in the sense that I think he's gonna win But because the odds are so fucking crazy. I'm hoping for McGregor all the way Yeah, I'm gonna put money on him because if I do win I'll win some good money off of it There's always I think lightning can strike. Yeah, and I think we all agree on that for vegas reasons that you know Putting the money on McGregor just because the odds are crazy right now I just looked at it again right now and it's like are they getting worse No, it's not getting worse. It's actually went to it did go a little bit in McGregor's favor a tiny bit Because of all that Just a little bit though. I mean, it's uh, I think it was plus with the lift in his shoe Oh, maybe whether there's a little like yeah, oh, I didn't see that. I didn't see that. He's wearing like sketches. Yeah, man Yeah, exactly. Like it's like gave him like a full inch. Oh, that's hilarious Yeah, I McGregor to me is just a brilliant brilliant showman. I can't believe how he got himself fight with veiweather I have no idea. He's gonna make more money in this fight than probably his entire career. It's brilliant. I mean god bless Four years Mayweather has been fighting for ever in four years. He got this freaking opportunity The way you know, he's so brilliant is I strongly believe This is going to be a boring fight. I strongly believe that it's obvious how it's gonna play out and I still will watch it Yeah That's how that I'm excited for right and I'm excited for like just because maybe you know just maybe If you're just him stepping in and being like, ah, fuck you You know and fuck you show time So if you're if you're McGregor What's your what do you think your strategy is going into that? Not that any of us are fighting Talk shit all day and there you go in and you like you said, I like the stance idea create some angles on him But throw in haymakers and hope to god you catch one. So here's what I try and bait them in just So here's what out. Yes 100% if I'm McGregor just bait them all day my entire goal is to make a show It's not to win. It's to make a show Yeah, and what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna tie him up when shit gets dangerous because McGregor can tie him up very well Remember, he knows how to grapple you can't clinch right you can't clinch and you can't well in boxing You can definitely tie people up. You can get a point taken away from doing it too much We can't grab behind the neck though, right? No, no, no, no, no, but he can he can tie him up So that's different so I would do that as a defense and then if shit gets real hairy I get pissed off and throw a kick and fucking hit him with kick get disqualified And now everybody now everybody's gonna fucking pay to watch the rematch DQ'd. Yeah, I would not put it past Exactly. I would not put it past or take him down. You know, like tackle him Think about it. You're getting your ass kicked. You're right You're getting your ass and then he shoots on him and fucking slams and gets disqualified or gets Talk about taking a page out of the Mike Tyson biting the ear off a Hollywood I mean, it will turn into one of the biggest greatest spectacles ever if he were to answer that like half the people just I like I like and all he has to do afterwards and be like, that's my instinct. I was in a fight I'm in a fight. I can't take away my tools. I'm a fighter. You know, I'm everybody's gonna be like, oh, yeah I want to watch the rematch. Can you bet on him getting DQ'd? I would that's a great one for sure Do you throw a kick or something in Vegas? You can on The sports booking stuff you might not be able to give everybody that idea They have they have like yeah when you go to Vegas, you can they have a line for everything Dude, yeah, yeah, you can you can bet on if they're gonna touch close the money You could do all kinds of crazy shit like that. Oh, excellent. 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