 Excellent, any of these stories you particularly love, don't love? Well, the Walmart blockchain one. Yeah, that kind of sets us up for our main topic too. Yeah, exactly. The Tinder one's interesting. Okay. Being a guy who's been married for 20 plus years, I have no real experience with those things, but. Yeah, I love the dating app stories with all my married friends on the show. Like, let me tell you how it works. Well, that's an important perspective that we need, because I don't know. Well, yeah, no, Amos earlier was like, what, what, what, how is this different? It's like, well, it is, but. That's a good thing to investigate though. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I, so for the other top stories, you know, if we ask you anything, Michael, it'll just be, you know, opinion, like, what do you think, you know, what we will not presume that you, you are an expert in spinal implants or not that we are either. So Tom, the new camera looks very nice. Okay, yeah. So this, this camera definitely looks better than the C920, doesn't it? It just looks, the colors are richer. They looked fine before, but this one looks nicer. And you can see things on the shelf better. Yes. Yes. So. Yeah. I think I kept the framing intentionally similar to the camera yesterday. That way, because one of the things in the back of my mind I'm trying to do is this camera, because it's HDMI to Thunderbolt, will occasionally just not want to work with something. So I like to have the C920 as a backup, even if it's not quite as good, but I think we'll stick with this one. And we may play with the framing. We're definitely going to play with the lighting. When the fireplace go away? When I moved. Actually, we changed away from the fireplace when Sarah joined the show last October. Okay. And I went to bookshelves with books on them, but it was in the same room as the fireplace. Did you wear like a jacket and have a pipe in your mouth? No. You should. But now I'm regretting that decision. Hey, show got time, man. Where were you a year ago, Mike? Spoiler on my new look. You were asking what was going to happen after the one year anniversary of having Sarah. Now everybody knows. Mike, where are you based? Seattle. Oh, in Seattle. And how is Seattle this time of year? Super beautiful. It's like 70 degrees. Nice. Oh, that's so nice. Seattle with nice weather is just the best. It really is. But we only get it for four months a year, so. Yeah. LA had a little Seattle-ish weather this morning. That little gray come in. Still does in my parts. Yeah, burned off. It's not come out. But we're just starting to get some noticeable termination dust up here, so. What does that mean? Termination dust. There's a frost line that you can see on the mountains, and it's called the termination point. And anything above that, it's not actual snow, but it's enough frozen precipitation that you can, like it's the dew and everything else that freezes. So you have to give it some kind of names. They call it termination dust, because it's not, like I said, it's not actual snow, but it's a clear line across the mountains at a certain elevation, and it's low to creep down as the winter comes in. And we've had it a few times just on the peaks, but now there's enough of it where you can actually, yes, there's termination dust in the stain over multiple days. So it's, winter is coming. Termination dust, I never knew. It's, yeah, it sounds kind of ominous. Yeah. It's like, nah, just some snow dust, not everything else. It's an 80s hair death metal band. Willem Dafoe and Kate Blanchett, termination dust. Well, let's do a show. What do you guys say? I say, okay. Can you do the line three, Ms. Lane? I can, and I will. 30 seconds, we'll start it off. I remembered 30 seconds from now. Man, I was so burned out yesterday, I was crazy. All right, 20 seconds. Oh, stretch, crazy stretches and popping joints and stuff. This ain't gonna work, kinks, yeah. Hey, Silverblade, good to see you. All right, five, four, three, two. Thanks to everyone who supports Daily Tech News Show directly. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash supports. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, September 25th, 2018 in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Fila, and I'm Sarah Lane. And sitting in once again for Roger Chang, our normal producer. I am Anthony Lemos. Good to have you along, Amist. Also joining us today, very happy to have Michael Wolf of The Spoon back on the show. Up in Seattle. How's it going, man? It's going well. It's been a year or so. You got a new backdrop. You got a little more gray in your beard. Yeah. I have more gray too. Visual effects for both of them, right? Mike's like, you look a little older, Tom. How's your year really been? Now it's good. This is the second day in the new setup here. So again, as I said yesterday, audio may not be exactly what you're used to, but hopefully it's getting a little better every day. Video may not be exactly what you're used to, but hopefully that's getting better every day. Thank you for your patience. Now we're going to talk about some food tech with Michael, particularly, but let's start with a few tech things you should know. Qualcomm is accusing Apple of stealing its source code and giving it, and other trade secrets, to rival chip maker Intel for the purpose of improving the performance of Intel chipsets. This is according to a filing with the Superior Court of California that Qualcomm issued. The company has previously accused Apple of breaching an agreement to allow Qualcomm to audit Apple's use of its source code and other trade secrets. Google CEO Sundar Pichai said in a statement, he will meet with lawmakers this week as his company, representing his company, to address concerns from conservatives in the US government who alleged that their views are being censored online. Google denies it makes content decisions based on politics, despite some Republicans accusing Facebook, Google and Twitter of silencing conservative voices and news sources. The private meeting was organized by House majority leader Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican. Twitter is changing how it communicates rules of its service to now include community feedback. Now previously, the company followed its own policy development process, including taking input from its trust and safety council and various experts. Now the company says it will ask everyone on the platform for feedback on a new policy before that policy becomes part of Twitter's official rules. The company also announced a policy to prohibit language that dehumanizes others based on, quote, their membership in an identifiable group, even when the material does not include a direct target. All right, let's talk a little more about founders leaving their companies. Usually a founder of an acquired company will stick around for a year, maybe two, but unusually at Facebook, the founders of WhatsApp, Oculus, Instagram all stayed around a lot longer. Now, Jan Kuhn from WhatsApp left recently under a lot of speculation that maybe he didn't like the way privacy was being treated. Obviously Palmer Luckey left Oculus for all kinds of reasons, but Instagram co-founders Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger have been sticking around for nine on six years and that's over. They resigned and planned to leave the company in the coming weeks. They notified the company on Monday, sources tell the New York Times, both are said to be taking time off after leaving Instagram. Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook's chief executive, praised their founders in a statement and said he wished them all the best and is looking forward to seeing what they build next. And their goodbye notice, they didn't really thank anyone, did they, Sarah? They didn't and that doesn't necessarily mean anything. No, it doesn't. You know, both Kevin and Mike, who I've been sort of familiar with since Instagram came on the scene way back in 2009, 2010. 2010, the first Instagram photo I took was sitting in the cottage at Twit with me up in the upstairs little office. Exactly, yeah. And one of the first, I think interviews they did was with Leo and I way back in the day, but you know, they're young, they've had like crazy success and at the same time, Facebook and Instagram as a whole have changed. The companies have changed quite a bit over the years. Now, neither Sister Mer Krieger have mentioned anything about not being in a line with anything that's going on with Facebook and all signs point to Instagram mostly working autonomously this entire time based on folks that have worked on the Instagram team. So you could say, well, you know, maybe they're just tired and they want to do something new. That's fine. There might be more to it, but neither have pointed to any real strife within the company as a reason for them leaving. Michael, you've covered a lot of startups over the years just from the outside reading the tea leaves here. These are two founders that stayed a lot longer than they normally do, but maybe they would have stayed longer if conditions were different. Do you have any insights on this, do you think? Not really, other than I just think about what they got acquired for, which isn't really the story of them leaving, but a billion dollars I think was the acquisition price. And then just a couple of years later, WhatsApp got bought for 18 or 19 going. So I'm surprised they stick around as long as they had. I would have been mad after that acquisition and left. Well, and I mean, you know, they may have sticked around as long as they had to. Yeah. A study at the University of Louisville that was published today in the New England Journal of Medicine details how those who are paralyzed by spinal cord injuries in the US can achieve more independence, improved circulation and bone density and boost cardiovascular health. Junior, as it's known, is the Restore Advanced SureScan MRI NeuroStimulator made by Mectronic FDA approved for pain management controlled by a remote that communicates through skin and connects to a hub in the abdomen. A theory is that after a spinal cord injury, spinal networks may lose the electrical charge and information that they're getting from the brain that might be part of the problem. Although some weak connections may remain that a stimulator can talk to and kind of boost. Not everybody responds to the treatment, but Jeff Marcus and Kelly Thomas both are able to take steps again while using Junior, which both were profiled in a Verge article about this, which was really amazing. Yeah, Jeff is the first person to ever take steps as a paraplegic from this treatment. And Kelly Thomas had even greater success following on from him. Go watch those videos, they're inspiring. But the idea of taking something that's meant to relieve pain and finding another use for it is great because it's already FDA approved to use exactly the way they're using it. Even if it doesn't work for everybody, the fact that it could work for anybody is crazy. And Michael, it's kind of described the way I see it as a signal booster. Like if your signal is attenuating and you put one of those, tie one of those little boosters in to pump the signal to make it go longer, that's kind of what they're doing to their nervous system it feels like. I feel like we're on the precipice of not saying that things like being paralyzed are going to be eliminated, but we're at this inflection point where 10 years down the road, 20 years down the road, you'll see people who have had these catastrophic injuries just maybe regaining mobility. So it's super exciting. Yeah, the descriptions that they gave in these videos reminded me of, we've covered technology before that allowed people to hear for the first time. And these people who never thought they'd be able to take an unassisted step ever again. And I guess it is assisted technically, but not by exterior mechanics, right? What better are those videos than seeing someone hear or see for the first time or walk for the first time? They're amazing. The weird thing about it is they have to turn it on. If it's not, it doesn't stay on, it's not persistent. They hope to get it there someday. But if they don't have it on, it doesn't do anything. They have to have it on and working. And for some reason can't leave it on all the time, but man, Sarah, this is cool stuff. Yeah, and especially, I don't know, spinal cord injuries, they're vast, they have a variety of issues, but the idea that you can stimulate the brain that talks to the rest of the body, which we all know is a thing, but to be able to do that in a way that can help people who have limited to no mobility in their body is, it's magic. Yeah, it's stunning. Google announced new AI enhancements for search AMP stories, which is kind of like Instagram stories, displays the fast loading web pages and coming to search results, starting first with stories about celebrities, athletes and other notable people. They've been testing this for about eight publishers since February. Google is using some computer vision to understand the content of videos and adding a section called featured videos that link to sub topics of searches. So you search for a query and then some videos will show up that'll be a little more relevant to your search. Google images is putting greater emphasis on web page authority to order the results. So pages that normally show up higher in search will be more likely to show images higher up and if images are central to that webpage, particularly those images will show up higher. And Google lens will come to web search to analyze and detect objects and images. It's something that's been on the mobile version for a while. There's also a new section called discover that'll stream headings and cards of items that Google thinks you might be interested in based on what it knows about you. Mike, how interested are you in celebrities and athletes and other notable people? Well, I get excited about machine vision and using AI to better recognize what's going on, but I actually am more excited about getting outside of image recognition and we'll talk a little bit about it in food tech, but there's a lot of stopping going on in terms of digitizing and recognizing other senses. So smell, taste. So I think Google has had a long time leadership in image and machine vision, but I'm waiting for them to do the smell search. Is that weird? It sounds weird. It sounds weird. But I think it's not weird, you know what I mean? Like if you could, so how would the query work? Do you waft it towards a sensor and then? I don't know. I'm thinking you're, does your Google Home in five years have like a smell sensor and then it recommends the pasta, the pasta sauce that you've been using for the past week, right? If you like Paul Newman's own, you could also try Reserva. Exactly. Maybe this is a horrible idea. I'm sorry. That's where my brain goes with search always, right to commerce, but yeah, there could be other cool things that it would do as well. It's interesting. And it's interesting to see Google celebrating their 20th anniversary as a search engine, but by bringing some AI into search, none of these things really blow me away given what we know about what these kind of algorithms can do, but they're interesting little features, especially lens coming to web. That's something that is pretty cool to be like, what is that, show me more of those. I mean, there's too much news for us to read every day, right? I mean, we could all probably agree on that. So as much as Google can figure out, okay, this is what I can offer up to you as somebody who kind of get a sense of what kind of news you're looking for. Great, the sort of, you know, a celeb and athletes and pop culture news, that's the obvious way to bundle a lot of the stuff. Any social network that you connect to for the first time, they'll say, here are some people to follow. And it's always, you know, that kind of celeb stuff. I think, you know, for a lot of us, it's like, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, eh, it either works or it doesn't work for us. So it's the first step in figuring out more of what Google thinks you want to know more about, which is in the long game, a good thing. Yeah, call me when they add a few more categories. Speaking of long games, the Indian version of Tinder is introducing the My Move feature, which allows women to limit themselves to starting a conversation with a male match rather than the other way around, similarly to how Bumble operates for anybody who uses dating apps. It means if you connect, you're a woman, it's a man, the woman gets to instigate a conversation. Otherwise, there is no conversation. Tinder has been testing the function in India for several months and plans to spread it worldwide if the full rollout proves successful. So we were having a conversation with Amos, who's producing the show today earlier, and he was asking, I think, a pertinent question, why do you do this just for women? Now, and to be clear how it works if you're confused out there, only women who opt into it, will it work this way? You have to, as a user, say like, yes. Yeah, like Tinder isn't changing its whole model. I want you to have it work this way where nobody can chat with me unless I chat with them first. Why not roll it out that way to everyone, to give everybody that option, do you think? I think it makes sense. I mean, I think generally we can assume that men tend to be more aggressive and women oftentimes are the ones who are scared of these communities. And you seem the success of Bumble. I think, aren't they gonna basically do an IPO? So I think they're kind of matching what Bumble's doing. It also makes sense in certain geographies like India. But I think you're right, Tom. I think why not make this an opt-in? If you're as good looking as Tom and you're having all the women swipe left, I don't even know, do you swipe left or right? I don't either. Swipe right if you like that one. Okay, everyone's swiping right on Tom. Maybe he doesn't want that. So maybe he should opt into this. Yeah. I'm sorry, Tom. But I mean, in all seriousness, and India is an interesting market because some of the way that people meet each other in India is different than in the Western world. However, I think that, and you might say like, well, but if you liked a guy and you're a woman and you're heterosexual and why can't he get a hold of you first? Like, what's the problem? And I don't really have a good solution to that except that some women find it more comfortable to be the person who reaches out first in order to say like, if I really wanna do this, this is how I'm going to go about it. And there are lots of reasons that women might feel that way. And I think that Tinder is very smart to at least allow this option. Yeah, it cuts down on creeps. It cuts down on unwelcome interactions. And if you let both men and women do it, you would have a weird situation you'd have to resolve where both people have said, no, I get to chat first. In which that's not gonna work very well. So I guess it's an easier interface. User interface issue if you only have one gender able to do it. Although there are same-sex couples matching on Tinder, so there could be an issue there in that section as well. But for the most part, yeah, I think it's because women are more likely to have creeps reach out to them than men are. Walmart is asking its suppliers of lettuce and other leafy greens to use blockchain to track shipments by this time next year. They're like, you've got a year. We want you to start using this because right now, neither the store owner or the consumer really know where the lettuce came from. And the US CDC has recently warned consumers not to eat lettuce grown in Yuma, Arizona because of contamination. But how do you know for sure that that lettuce is from Yuma, Arizona? It's all paper records these days. So it takes a long time to track and there's sometimes confusion about where it really came from. Blockchain, we've talked about plenty of times on the show, is a dead simple way to help track where things have been and better tracking could reduce waste and increase consumer confidence in what they're buying. A blockchain-based system would let stores and customers see the entire supply chain of a product at the point of purchase. Michael, this is in your wheelhouse here. What do you think of this? Well, Walmart's been leading on this, right? I mean, it is the holy grail to have complete food traceability and transparency and provenance. I still think we have a long ways to get there, but you might just think it's Walmart, but I was on the East Coast two months ago talking to a bunch of folks who are involved in the fishing industry and people at the source, whether it's farmers or fishermen, they want food provenance and traceability because if you're a fisherman and your fish is airlifted to Japan and someone gets sick, you wanna be able to prove that it was the handling and not the fish, right? So I think this is something that everyone along the entire food value chain is interested in. Well, and a lot of lettuce was thrown away because they weren't sure if it was from Yuma or not. So they're like, better safe than sorry, we're getting rid of it. That's how this could cut down on waste. If you're like, no, we can verify these crates came from not, let's not trash on Yuma too much, from wherever the latest problem is and you only then rejected those shipments. It's just greater accuracy. I think that helps everybody. Yeah, I agree. I think you're getting to the point where not only are you seeing RFID gets so low cost and you're seeing blockchain finally mature that we might really get there and being able to understand where all our food is coming from. And I think that's huge. Yeah, just imagine having that, having that kind of information at a checkout. Just as a stats nerd, I'd be interested. Yeah, exactly. Just to see where it came. Hey folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. All right, we got more food tech to talk about. Lilliana Byington for Food Dive wrote up an interesting summary of a discussion at the Food Innovation Summit Friday. Study by the Center for Food Integrity has found that only a third of survey respondents strongly agree they're confident in the safety of the food they consume, another way that blockchain might help. A few other projects touched on in this article, Carnegie Mellon working to develop an ingestible sensor so that you just swallow it like a pill and it could monitor gut health or stimulate damaged tissue or target drug delivery to fight cancer. Tufts University School of Engineering has created a tooth sensor, which is tiny, can be attached to your enamel and measure things like glucose and sugar and alcohol, and then transmit through RFID and kind of an extended RFID, all of what it's finding back. They say they wanna do other things as well in the future. And a few years back, Baidu developed smart chopsticks that can detect temperature, even the freshness of cooking oil and they have lots of plans for it to be able to detect other things as well. So really, really interesting stuff here, Michael, that's being developed. What do you think of all this? Well, first of all, I wouldn't want the tooth sensor right on my front tooth. I'd probably choose the back tooth, that picture there. Yeah, I feel like the pictures they show are because it's easy to see, not because that's where you want it. Listen, I think, you know, if you look at like the first generation of wearables, right, they were great because they tracked, you know, pedometers, they tracked movement, but I think we're on the cusp and you saw with the latest Apple Watch announcements, right, as they're starting to really try to understand your biorhythms and what's going on inside you. I think you'll start to see that connect with your food, with the state of your health on a daily basis. And the sensor technology is really advancing quickly. So that article also mentioned the NEMA food sensor that actually allows you to, in real time, understand if there's glue, because as we all know, gluten warnings at restaurants aren't always accurate. NEMA just came out with the peanut sensor. So I think that's great. For people who have food allergies or special needs around food, I think you're kind of coming into this time where we'll actually be able to kind of get over that hump and not have to worry about what you're eating. I love the idea of tracking what I eat. I hate the idea of having to stop and write it down. Yeah. Especially because as good as a lot of these diary apps are these days, I'm always eating something that doesn't quite fit the profile. And I'm like, should I choose this category or that category? Which one's closest? And I know it's not getting accurate. The idea that I could have a sensor that just tracks like, here's how many carbohydrates, here's how many vitamin D. We're seeing it all go through you. And we're making a pretty accurate estimate of what you're eating to the point where my dream app is the one that takes all that sensor information from my more conveniently placed tooth sensor and tells me, hey, you know what? You should eat for dinner this because this would complete your nutritional profile today. Yeah. So I think real time food tracking, we're on the cusp of that. But also one of the other big trends just generally in food is this idea of hyper personalization. So you saw, I don't know if you saw today, Kroger announced that they're moving towards personalized meal kits where you can assemble in the store. That's kind of like a rudimentary step along that equation. So like a hello fresh kind of thing? Yeah. Not just taking one of the five choices that you used to have from Blue Apron or whatever and have it shipped to your house, you can kind of customize it. I see. But I think what's more interesting if you look at like some of the patents being filed by intellectual ventures, they're working on real time sensing and printing a food based on what you're, what you may have eaten in the past but also what you may have swallowed with some of those intestinal trackers. So you combine instant manufacturing, personalization and real type food tracking, it gets pretty exciting. We're a long ways off from a lot of this, it's pretty science fictiony, but I think we're on the cusp of some of this. I think one of my questions, and this is sort of related to the idea of a smart watch being able to track, how many steps you take and is your heart rate great? And if you feel healthy and you're not necessarily on any sort of a food restrictive diet of any kind, how does this technology affect your life? Well, I think you can always optimize, right? Like I just went and got my once a year test and I had higher cholesterol than I thought. Like I feel pretty good, but I didn't know that. So I think it's always hard to kind of know what the internal systems are doing at any given time without like real kind of blood work or sensing. So and the danger is you, there's gonna be a lot of snake oil salesman along the way, right? So I think the challenge is Silicon Valley, oftentimes wants to get ahead of it. Is this stuff really approved? There was a little bit of a controversy around the NEMA sensor, because one of the gluten wash dogs basically said they don't really detect gluten to the level that they would want. So I think we're seeing real progress here, but is the progress gonna be fully approved by the doctors or is some of this gonna be like beyond what it should be doing or beyond the claims it should be claiming, right? So, but I think it is exciting. Yeah, that reminds me of AI a lot. Like AI algorithms can do a lot, but there's a lot of people claiming they can do things that they can't. And a lot of people afraid that they are going to do things that they can't yet. And we still haven't seen the full promise of what they can do and what they probably will be able to do. And this feels like the same kind of layout where we're gonna get the Commodore 64 of gut sensors. It's not really gonna be able to do all the things that a PC eventually could do, but it'll be nifty, you know, it'll be fun. And early adopters like us will probably try it out. And there will be a lot of people, like you say, that will make claims that you gotta watch out for early on. But this does feel like one of the arenas where you're going to see a lot of innovation and a lot of new kinds of startups. And I think these days, a lot of people are looking for who possibly could unseat the Facebook, Google, Amazon, Apples of the world. And it's always from a new area. Google came out of search. There was no search to unseat Microsoft and Microsoft was formed. So these are the kind of areas I kind of look at and say, okay, who's going to emerge out of these? And it'll probably be 10 years or more, maybe before somebody does. But this is going to be someday the kind of thing that everybody's gonna wanna try because it's going to improve your life. And to Sarah's question, improve your life in ways that you don't know you need yet. My doctor is huge on testing Omega-3s. She's like, you won't change the way you feel, but if you have the right level of Omega-3s, it is a coincidence with less risk for heart disease. And she just wants to see that number down. Yeah. And I think we're on the precipice of more and more of us having information ourselves based on gadgets that have proven to be able to give you accurate information, whereas we'd never had an opportunity before instead to go to the doctor and be like, please test me, am I okay? I don't know, I have no tools of my own. So that, I mean, that is, again, early days. And I think, you know, I'm one of those people who's like, but how does that help me? Well, it's going to help me going down the road when I'm able to come to a doctor or a professional or anybody who might be able to help me with a particular issue with a lot of knowledge that has been proven to be accurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well said. And to your point, Tom, you know, you're right, like this is one of those areas that an outsider could come in and disrupt. But if you see, look at all the big platform players, they're kind of sniffing around the food world in their own way, right? So Apple, I think he's doing it from a wearable standpoint. Amazon, obviously about Whole Foods and his big into delivery and commerce. And Google's investing a lot in image recognition. They come out a couple apps around food recommendation. So I think they all, they're all kind of sniffing around there, but they don't quite know how, but they all know that if you look at how we spend our money, the third biggest spend, what we spend our money on besides home and transportation is food. So it's a massive opportunity. Yeah, absolutely. Well, thanks to everyone who participates in our subreddit. We have lots of food stories in our subreddit all the time. Among many others, you can submit your own and vote on others at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. And of course, we're on Facebook as well, Facebook.com slash groups slash Daily Tech News Show. Let's check out the feed bag. I mean the mail bag. Oh, the feedback. Ah, I see what you did there. Nick had some feedback on Lamar Wilson and my talking about our new iPhones yesterday. And I had mentioned the OLED screen, nice as it is, didn't seem that bright, even at its brightest. Nick says OLEDs are not as bright as similarly processed LCD technology. A high-end OLED display like LG, for example, uses in its OLED TVs only output about 500 nits of peak brightness. And that's only when small sections of the screen are at maximum brightness. On the other hand, an LCD and a TV meant for the same purpose will easily produce over 1,000 nits of peak brightness. Keep in mind, these brightness numbers are for an HDR display running off a wall socket, not off a battery like an iPhone where power is more precious. But I should also note a typically bright desktop monitor is only about 200 nits of brightness, so 500 nits can be blinding, at least to some people. And a full white screen at 1,000 would be actually painful. This is a big reason that peak brightness is only actually used for things like light reflecting off the edge of a car door in movies, or TVs, or games. This is an example of the emails I like to call you're so smart. Thank you, Nick. Nick, you're the best. I also feel like maybe I'm just losing my eyesight. I'm like, I still want my iPhone to be brighter. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you, Nick. And thank you, everybody, who writes in and makes us smarter every day. And also, thank you to Michael Wolfe for being with us today. Michael, it's so great to have you and let folks know where they can keep up with your work. Yeah, the spoon.tech, as we mentioned. I'm also having an event in two weeks where we're going to have two food robots walking around serving food. So smartcurchesummit.com. Check that out. I have a discount code. Can I throw that out? Yeah, if anybody is going to be in Seattle October 8th and 9th, use this discount code. DTDTNS. What else would it be? What else would it be? Remember, yeah. Check it out, smartcurchesummit.com. Also, folks, you can support this show directly and cut out the middleman. Make sure that you are giving directly to the source, not only your attention, but if you've got like $1 a month. That's the entry level to supporting the show. 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This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. The club hopes you have enjoyed this program. That was a fun talk. Thanks, Michael. I just talked to Richard today. Oh, yeah. Good stuff, Mike. I thought it was funny that we had you guys back to back. Richard's a great guy. Yeah, once I find out where Mike was and what he's doing, I was like, oh, that's the decent back to back thing. I would be surprised if Richard's not going to this smart kitchen summit. He is. I'm pulling him up on stage, even. So yeah. Oh, nice. Nice. Well, this has been fun. Yeah, this has been great. So same old, same old. After the show, we stick around, we pick a title, we chat while we publish, but we know guests are busy, so pop out whenever you need to. No worries at all. The crowd source title, are those coming in via? Yeah, they come in through the chat room and you can see them at showbot.chatrealm.net. Now, did you used to do it on Reddit? I'm sorry to have all these questions. No, no. We've always done story submissions through Reddit and we still do, but the live chat room title submissions is from IRC and shows up at this. It used to be a different URL, but it was the same little script that does it. Very cool. I worked with the T2T2 in the chat, give people credit to make it to where it's available to pretty much anybody if they want to go to showbot.tv. Yeah, yeah. Very cool. What should we call this show then? Votes are actually actively coming in, which is odd. Well, you know, sometimes they... Your dog, does your dog ever snore on the podcast? Did you ever start snoring? Oh, you talking about Otis? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I actually, I pointed the camera towards him to shame him because he's snoring very loudly right now. Oh, I can hear him. You guys probably can hear, but yeah, he does his little, like, I'm a dog, I'm running in my sleep, but like very loud snoring. That's awesome. So yeah, that's my dog. He does a lot of snoring. Is that tech in your teeth? What are the suggestions? So my dog broke my finger. That's why I have a broken finger. Oh. Did he bite it? No, it's actually kind of a funny story. So I'm walking the dog. It's a big yellow lab, obnoxious dumb dog, sweetheart. And along the sidewalk, there's a kiddie pool because these people put pools for the dogs to play in. So my dog's playing and going nuts and I pulled my phone out, started taking a picture of it and she bolts towards the street and I looked over and she pulled the leash really hard but she jumped up on a jogger and he was like completely soaked and he was so pissed, he was not happy. So maybe it's a small consolation that I broke my finger for him, but yeah. Yeah, it's funny, I've talked about it on the show, on GDI certainly a few times already, but it's like when Otis is awake and excited, he wants to play and I know that but people don't always know that and he can be a little intimidating because he's big and I've had people sort of be like, I'm gonna cross the street, which is like, okay, well, whatever, but I sometimes have people being like, you should really get a better handle on your dog, sort of thing where it's like, oh, the judgment of strangers. Yeah, the dogs. And the thing is like, he's young. Yes, you should be teaching him when it's appropriate to be like that or not, but it's not an off switch, right? You can't just be like, oh, yes, no, you're right. I irresponsibly didn't turn off the excited dog switch before I left the house. Oh, right, and some of it is very well-meaning. For example, we left the dog park the other day and I mean, Otis must have run five miles within an hour. I mean, he was just going nuts, but he was still excited and like sort of jumping after other dogs and somebody sort of said like, you know what you got to do, you just got to exercise your dog more. I looked at him like, yeah, do you even know where I came from? Like, why don't you keep your thoughts to yourself, all right? I feel like- You want him? Sarah, parenting is the same way. Yeah, totally. It's literally one-for-one match. Yeah. And there's always people with parenting advice too, which I know what you're talking about. But I feel like you could tell a dog person, like I can tell instantly looking at their face when you're walking your dog, the other dog person or the not. Right. Well, and it's not that I don't appreciate feedback, but sometimes I'm like, you just don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. So, you know. It's that frustrating thing that happens on the internet all the time too, right? Where people assume stuff and then give you advice based on incorrect assumptions. Like, you need to switch this thing off. I'm like, that thing's not on. Well, and then it's up to you to be like, do I engage and like try to explain to you that I'm not an idiot and I actually have thought about all of these things or do I just ignore you? Yeah, just ignore. You know, there's that big chart of human fallacies that, you know, the confirmation bias fallacy. Oh, right. It's interesting. If you ever get bored and just want to see what kind of internet we actually have, take that chart and then see how long it takes you to find it, each instance of that on the internet somewhere. And usually you can knock out half of it on Facebook right off the bat. On Twitter too. Yeah, then you go to Twitter and knock out a few more than it didn't take, but, you know, 30 minutes and you can knock out every single one of them. And then you have to realize that like half of those are probably influenced by your own biases. So it's like, ah, I gotta start again. Strike it Rich has a great comment in IRC. He says, look, if Sarah was walking her dog and someone said she needed to control Otis better, I'd laugh. He's big enough that if she were not in control, you'd know it. I'll say, ooh, and my forearms have never been stronger. Yeah, that's a good workout. It is. No, it's yeah. It's just, it's again, people have lots of opinions about lots of things. Oh, sure. So, yeah, but he's so cute. Like you run him out enough and then he just sleeps and is the most adorable thing and then you love him again. Yay. Yay. Oh, look at that. Oh, somebody's having a dream. Oh, that's my favorite when they chase rabbits in their sleep or whatever. So do you walk him every day before the podcast? You almost have to. Oh my gosh. I walk him first thing in the morning before I even have my own coffee. Oh yeah. You know, he's got to, he has to, this dog needs to run five miles a day minimum. Yeah. It doesn't have to happen at once, but it has to happen throughout the day. And even then he is chewing my entire house apart. I think he is. Well, so when I adopted him, they said, he's two. The vet said he's two based on teeth. The obedience trainer that I've worked with a couple of times who's great and knows her dogs is like, this dog is maybe one max. Cause yeah, what you're describing sounds like less than one. It's puppy stuff. And he's certainly over eight or nine months, but it sounds like around a year. Well, and literally everyone who meets him is like, oh, he's a puppy. And I'm like, yeah, he's a puppy. I got bamboozled on this one. Although honestly, Sawyer was like that too when we got him and he stayed that way for like five years like years. And I mean, Sawyer also looks like a puppy today. It just does. Yeah. He just has a puppy, you know, face and demeanor. He's got a little bit of gray hair. You know, we're. Yeah, right. Yeah. He's part of the club. You don't know about this guy, but yeah, he's a young boy. He's happy. You know, he's a happy kid. He's just, he's big and a lot to manage. So. He doesn't know all the rules yet. It takes a while for them to realize like what's acceptable behavior, especially when they've been on the street where they had no rules whatsoever, right? Well, and there's definitely, he's very, very good about sitting and staying, you know, even like if he's getting weird, you know, on the street, you know, if I'm walking him and I'm like, you're getting overstimulated, sit and stay. We're going to sit here, you know, and like. Yeah, that's great. Kind of look at me and be like, I don't want to, but he'll do it. So it's like, he's, you know, I get, you know, he's, it's, it's, we're both, we're getting there. It's not. Oh yeah. It's not effortless. It is effort-filled, but it is, but it, but it, but it works. You know, so. Well guys, I got to go actually shoot my, my dog had this big Nerf gun ball, Nerf ball gun that I shoot like three times a day. So I'm going to go do that now. So. All right. Thank you guys. This has been a blast. Well, go have fun. All right guys. Have a good one. Yeah. Bye. Bye. Tom, did you get a title? Yeah. So I went, cause, cause I liked it so much. Is that tech in your teeth? Yep. Okay. That's where I was headed to. So. All right. And we were having such a good conversation. I didn't want to derail it. And so I'm like, yeah, this is good. It was great. Love the food tech. Oh yeah. Michael's awesome. And he always has such interesting things in that food space to talk about it. So we got to remember to get him on before the next event. Cause he's always good about wanting to come around around the conference, you know, let people know the conferences come in if they want, if they want to attend. But, but we shouldn't, we shouldn't let it go so long between appearances. I agree. He is good people. So Gunther tomorrow. I'm excited. New guests. New to me. And I, I've been, I've been, I've got a little more smart home, which is kind of Richard's Bailiwick, a little more smart home stuff going on as I've set up the new house. Some interesting anecdotes. Like I can say now. All right. Turn off the studio lights. See? Very cool. Turn on the studio lights. I was talking with, I was talking with Odakta about the Amazon thing on our little weekend show that we do. And the thing that got me excited the most about Amazon's announcement last week was their smart plugs that are only $25. Yes. Once they, the correct price got reported, I became very excited about those because I actually want to get a couple, and that might be something I asked Richard about is like, should I really get the Amazon ones or the other ones that are around the same price just as good? But I want to get a couple of smart plugs whoever makes them to plug into these other two lights here so that I can just say studio lights and it brings them all up on and off. We didn't mention it on the show, but the information is reporting that Facebook will most likely name Adam Maseri, Instagram's VP of Product as the new leader of Instagram following Kevin System and... Breaking news for you. Yes. Well, yeah. So he was product manager of what? Did you say? Instagram, VP of Product. He was VP of Product for Instagram. So he'll be the new CEO. Yeah, and he's been around for quite some time. That's a smart choice. Cause the one, we didn't really get to talk about that aspect of it as much, but preserving the company culture when the founders leave after sticking around for so long could be a concern. So putting somebody like that in charge indicates that they really do want things to stay pretty much the same. Well, why wouldn't they? Instagram has been on the up and up for... Yeah, it's been a really well for them. Yeah, exactly. Oh, let's think of an app. Let's think of an app guys and Facebook will buy it for a billion dollars and then they'll hang out for a few years and then be like, well, we wanna be creative again. Did I say something else? I thought of an app the other day, an app idea. I was like, somebody should make that. And now I can't remember what it was. I should have written it down. Hey, did I tell you, now that you can actually see my background a little more, did I tell you the significance of the stuff behind me? Well, to some extent, yesterday you did, but do it again. You can see it way better today. Yeah. There's actual visual context now. That is my first computer ever, the TM994A. That is my second computer, the Commodore 64. This is the Dell I used at Tech TV. This is the ThinkPad I used at CNET. This is the Mac that I launched DTNS on and that's all the... No, this is a Surface RT, which I didn't use much. Now I don't suppose you could plug them all in and have like cool stuff on each screen. Oh yeah, this is the keyboard to my IBM PS2, which is too fat to fit on these shelves, but that was my first computer in college. Nice, nice. Yeah. There's a... And who's on your first Kindle over there? I think that's Hemingway. Okay. Could be wrong about that. I'm pretty sure it's Hemingway. You know what this is, right? That's why I asked, I didn't know. Do you recommend this? I don't, should I? I don't know. It's the Google Nexus. Oh my gosh. Look at all of those inputs. Yeah, when they put this out, remember we were like, they might make a TV device. It's a sphere. Yeah. I like it. Yeah, you wouldn't really know, unless you explained what it was. Well, there's all the video for today. Thanks for watching folks. If you are listening to the audio or creative vast arts mashup of both, stick around. There's more to come.