 When I think of the world's top fashion brands today, none of them produce anything today. If anything, the world's top fashion brands, whether Chanel or Dior or Nike or H&M, are all glorified marketeers. That's what they're in the business of. And what we're needing is almost a counterculture of marketeers who make buying less, who make secondhand, who make really thinking about these issues and making it cool to re-wear over and over again part of the cultural narrative. We want more celebrities to wear the same thing on the red carpet. We want people to not be ashamed of wearing the same outfit over and over again. Sometimes the climate conversations end up in very wonky spaces and it makes it very difficult to be accessible in a fast way.