 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, you are ready to start with the last presentation of the day, so we will take your seats. And it gives me pleasure to introduce to you Roberta Estes. Roberta is a bachelor in master's degree in computer science, master's in business administration, graduate work in GIS systems, and runs her own business, DNA Explained, and also a very, very popular blog on genetic genealogy, DNAexplained.com. So today, Roberta is going to talk to us about design, autosomal tools, family tree DNA, and how to use them. Please, can you give her a very warm welcome? Can you hear me? Yes? In fact, what we really give you is that we don't have any competition over here that those sessions are over, so we might actually make a group session without any audio-visual issues. How many people in here have DNA tested? Alright, and has anybody not DNA tested? Okay, so two of you? She's got one in the bag. Has everybody on a solo DNA tested? Yes? Good. Because we're going to be talking about the tools at Family Tree DNA today and tips and techniques. Now, as you obviously can notice, most of the people here I'm going to assume are like rabid genetic genealogists, and they've tested, like, every place you can test, okay, at least two or three times this, right? And you'll have noticed, I'm sure, that if you've tested at Ancestry, that they are simpler than if you've tested at Family Tree DNA, and more advanced tools, which means you probably need a more advanced understanding to navigate them useful. So what we're going to do today is we're going to talk about those tools. Now, you don't have to take notes because Morris is going to put this session on the YouTube channel in a few days, and he gains his sanity again, and he's done this, and if you want to step through it on the YouTube channel, it's there for you to do it. So you don't have to take notes. If anything, what I really would like for you to take away from this today is what kind of tools they are and, in general, what they can do for you as a genetic genealogist. Oh, there's my point. Now, as we go through here today, there are some articles that refer to these tools, and I will have noted them at the bottom of the slide, and that's the main point, which is also fully searchable with more than 800 articles, and as you all know, it's great. So autosomal DNA, the inheritance story, I'm assuming at this point that we all know that the autosomal DNA tests all of our chromosomes with the exception of the Y, and that it matches us to our cousins based on common inheritance of DNA. If you are a beginner, and you are just learning, Emily Osalino, who is not in the room right now, but she is at the family tree DNA booth, and has written a beginner's book on genetic genealogy, and she has a few left to stop here at the conference if you just talk in private with me. So, we're not going to spend any time on introductory, we're going to look at the tools. Now, when I run this for Morris and I said there were nine tools, and when I actually went through and did this, there were twelve tools, but I run it, and it is a surprise that we're going to talk about what this is. We're going to talk about matching, the X chromosome based family matching, searching in common with, not in common with, advanced matching, the chromosome browser, the matrix tool, my origin's hatching, spreadsheet matching, and triangulation. So before you can really use these tools effectively, you need to put gas in the pot. You know, there's no point in buying a Lamborghini if you don't put gas in and you can't drive it. So, there's several things that you can do that help yourself, and that I really want you to do before using or tipping to use a lot of double tools to DNA. First of all, either upload your JETCOM file, or create a special file for use with a family finder tool. I created a direct line only category chart, and I did this for a couple of reasons. First of all, I don't really need all the information, nor do I want the information for a rule, you know, that someone I'm not related to genetically is in there. It just kind of mucks up the works for me. I also do the same thing at Ancestry.com, if Mike's in here, don't tell him, okay? Because I just, all I wanted was my direct line, I know it would be nice, I'm gonna, I'm my direct line ancestors, because that's who I'm hunting for. I don't really care about the brother's wife's son's wife's daughter. I only care about my direct line ancestors in terms of DNA, okay? So, now, I actually created a ancestor category only that about 10 generations, and I put that in and that's what I used. So, I, you can create, you can upload a JETCOM file, and create your tree manually. Do be aware that if you link people to the tree, and you have to upload it, then you're going to have to review your links. So, yeah, it's kind of about this way. You are going to add lineage to your tree after you get it uploaded by connecting anyone who has tested that is forthcoming or closer. So, if this lady sitting right here is my cousin, actually in the room somewhere, I don't see, there she is. My cousin, right over there, she matches you. I found her out on a bench out front. We didn't know she's committed. What, if she matches me, or actually matches my mother, what I want to do is I want to put her on the tree. So, I want to develop the tree till I get to her, and then connect her DNA because then it allows the software to do work for me that I don't have to do. So, that's a real benefit. So, your tree will also need your ancestral surnames. If you upload a tree today, the software will then go in and family tree DNA and they will add the ancestral surnames on your tree, and that's all the surnames. So, if you have your ancestors, wives, brothers, wives named in there, they're going to add that to your list. You don't want that. That's one reason I don't do that. So, here's your list. This shows what happens when you actually have surnames in there. It takes those surnames from your genetic compound, adds them to your list, and then when she and I have a match, it shows me, by bolding our common surnames, it brings them to the top of the list of bold names. So, that's why it's important to have this information in there. If you have in my file, let's say I have Estis spelled E-S-T-E-S but I want a variant in there, E-A-S-T-E-S, because that's how some people spell it, I can add that manually, and you do need to do that. Add your surnames manually along with your variant spellings, because the GEDCOM file will not overwrite anything that you have in there. So, you want to connect DNA of your known matches to their location on your tree because that allows family phasing to enable family phasing and allows relationship display. Not estimated relationships, but actual relationships based on where that person falls on their tree. And that's my mother that showed from the perspective of my granddaughter, the family phasing and things that we did. So, that's what we're going to be talking about in various tools that utilize these things. So, this is housekeeping. You put gas in the car and get ready to go because until you do all these housekeeping things you are not going to be able to bit of this fully from the tools that they provide. So, let's still look at options. All of the options for a family tree DNA are available at the top here, which is first read here of under the drop down. So, all of your options, why not find a family finder on your home page. The first thing we are going to look at now is my origin matching. How many of you know that there is matching in my origin? Not very many. My origin has matching in there. And people don't know that. So, let's look at that. Under my origins, when you, that's your ethnicity portion of the court. And when you go ahead and look at my origin, I'm going to look at my origin. And when you go in and you look at the map and you look at, you know, this is my expanded version. Here's where all my people are from over here. But at the left hand side under shared origins over here, you opt in and you do have to opt in. It's an opt in. And what it will show you is all the people that match you on the same ethnicity. So, let's say I'm looking for, you know, my adult friends. You know, I'm always making fun of people in their Cherokee princess. But I really do have Native American Ancestry. But I share with that cousin right there. So, let's say I'm looking for somebody that has a, you know, also has a Native American Ancestry. Now that doesn't mean I match them on that line, but it is a place to begin to look, isn't it? So, it shows you by your shared ancestry here. And it's common what the common ancestry is that you share with them. So, you can, that's one tool. It's a hint. All of these are. So, this is your autosomal match. And the one thing I'm going to handle is both today and my presentation tomorrow is each of these pages is from the perspective of the person whose account it is. And when you manage multiple kids, sometimes it's easy to forget whose perspective you're looking at this front. So, in this case, this is my granddaughter, autosomal DNA. So, we are looking at this over here and there's all kinds of data. And I know the half of your eyes just blinks right over when you see this much data. Because you're like, ugh, no. Okay, now what? So, here's what we're going to do. We're going to look at the kinds of data that you need to look at. You may not even realize it on this page. So, that's my son. Now, we have a swan party at Christmas. This tells you how boring my family is. I gave DNA kits to my granddaughter. My grandkids are really interested in this. And I said, okay, now your parents have to swan. And your other grandparents have to swan. And your aunts all have to swan. So, you know how much money I spent on family Christmas? Yeah. So, my son's like, I can't believe she's making me do this. And my daughter was like, I can't believe she used this picture of me publicly. So, somebody take a picture, I'm going to show her. And so, the things that you need to notice on this page is right here. This is phase matching. This shows you that the person in this case, that's my granddaughter. This is from perspective. This person is related to her mother's side and her father's side. And, of course, that's your mother and her father. And this is her sister who's related to her on both sides. Right? Your mother and your father's side. And her maternal grandmother and that's the maternal grandmother. So, these are the kinds of things that that shows you. And up here at the top, you can see that in the tab, after you get everybody linked and connected, shows you how many maternal and paternal matches you have. Some won't be faced either. This is your estimated relationship based on a maternal algorithm of total cinema organs and largest plots. So, they're estimating the range of relationships they think that this person could be. This relationship over here is a real relationship that's calculated based on how you have been connected in your treat. So, that will tell you the real relationship. The X-Faction is a special inheritance tab that we're going to talk about here shortly. And then I looked at this, and I wanted to point something out to you. See that? It says mother. Does that look like my grandmother's mother to you? So, I emailed family Trinity and I said, my son needs the sex change operation. Poor Richard, the CFI, emailed me back and said but here's what I did. You want to know why you have to tell them when you buy a kit what the gender is? Well, these kits actually don't swap. My son's on my daughter's last kit and when I fixed it I forgot to tell them to fix the gender. So, if you look up here and you go, that can't be right. It could be because the gender is wrong on the kit. It could also be because you filled them in incorrectly and the Trion made them a daughter or son or uncle or aunt when you should have made them the other one. So, if you see something funny, it's probably a part of that. This section here is shared thin mortgage along with a lot. And in general, the bigger those numbers the closer the relationship. So, there's lots of good stuff here. But look here. There's something called more. There's actually three places for more. Three of them. So, we're going to look at those next. The first place for more is that little plus that I just pointed out. And that more shows you the test taken in the haplogroup. So, it shows you my economy on why do they have that applicable. And clicking on the surnames over there on the right goes little in and brings up the entire list of ancestral surnames. Now, given that, of course, this is my granddaughter, a whole bunch of them are highlighted, which is not useful, but it's my granddaughter I really don't need to know the surnames for her. And then, if you click on the profile over there you also get additional information that you don't get any place else on Family Finder including all ancestral oldest relatives, the oldest ancestor. So, there's quite a bit of information there that's available. If you have something here, like I would want to put my blog I might want to put an ancestor tree. I might want to, who knows when I want to put there another website. You can click underneath about me and you can put additional information. So, always check there because you don't know what somebody's entered. Some people don't know it. Look at the X matching, the X chromosome. You know, for a long time I said the X isn't the same. In fact, I have a couple, one called something like the Henri X and I don't think that's white, but the X is different and people don't really understand that. In a nutshell, not only does the X chromosome have a special inheritance path that you can use very effectively to determine who is and is not related but also the synomorgans and the matching is different. When you see an X on a person with whom you match a family tree DNA, it means that they match on the X in addition to something else that passes the threshold. So, what that really means is if I match to somebody on a big segment and a tiny little sliver is an X it's going to show the X also. So, don't get all excited. Go into the chromosome browser and look and see how big that X chromosome actually is. It needs to be twice as big, rule of thumb as any other for you to take it as seriously. So, if your personal threshold that you're using is seven synomorgans or 10 or five or whatever that is that's relevant in your mind it needs to be double that on the X because the sniff density on the X is only half as much. So, in the same space on the X chromosome you only get half as many sniff. So, if your personal threshold is five then you're looking at 10. If it's seven you're looking at 14 or 15. Okay? So, if you the X is not mitochondrial DNA either. A lot of people confuse that because they know X has to do with female but that's when they think X and mitochondrial but it's not the same and I have an article if you have people that are confused there's a one article X matching and mitochondrial DNA is not the same thing because I know a lot of people that are confused. And by the way the way I write one article is just when people say I don't understand this and then I think well, well, I should get one article out of that. So, here's an X inheritance chart. I use charting it in by pushing in software to create things and it's a reporting software that you just simply put on top of your using conjunction with whatever software I use with matching. So, what this does is it creates for you an inheritance chart with X chromosome. So, because of the male inheritance, the Y chromosome is not an inheritance X from his father. He only has his mother's X chromosome. So, we know in my case that I have X match on somebody that's based eternally and it's a real X match not one of the sliver batches that I mentioned. It has to come from his mother's side because he didn't get an X from his father. So, any place that's quite on the screen cannot have been inherited. I can't share an X chromosome with that person. So, if I have a legitimate X match, it has to be one of these colored blocks in here. This is an extremely useful tool. I print this out. I have a print out of this and I keep it where I can look at the matches and then look at that at the same time so that I can see who actually is a real candidate. So, let's look at searching. That's your next tool here. The default search provides you with the current surname and any surname that's here. So, I put in Miller because the example I'm going to use for the rest of this are on my mother's paternal fight in the Miller family. So, what you do is you put a Miller in there and it searches for anybody who has a surname of Miller or who has an ancestral surname of Miller. It brings up those matches. So, it's up to you then to decide if they're relevant to do for the research. So, what I'm going to do is I'm going to select one of those people and I want to see who I have in common with them. I don't know if this is a bug or a benefit or a design flaw, but I'm going to tell you how it works and you can decide for yourself what it is. If you put Miller and then you select somebody and you click in common with what are you going to get here because I selected our Miller. I'm going to just get the people in common with our Miller that also have that came up in the Miller search. If that's what I want, that's great, but if that's not what I want, what I have to do is just simply go out here and backspace out Miller in the search box and then I get everybody that I met in common with our Miller regardless of whether they have Miller in their tree because if they don't have Miller in their tree, or their last name is Miller, it's not going to come up here. Now, if that's what you want, that's fine, sometimes that's exactly what I want, but sometimes it's not what I want, because not everybody loves a tree and I still want to see those names. So, why would you ever use, that's in common with, that's the people you match in common with that person that I just showed you. It's obvious why you want to do that, but why would you ever want to use something called not in common with? Well, my mother is, my father was deceased in 1963, so obviously he's not DNA tested because while I'm old, I'm not that old, you know? My mother tested before she passed away. It's the best legacy my mother ever left me. I'm telling you why. I thank her every day for doing that. So, I want to see my X matches that are not in common with my mother, okay? So, what I do is I select my mother, and then I go up here, that's her, and I go up here and I put not in common with. So, what I give are all my X matches that are either at that point one or two things, from my father or by chance. So, they're not my mother, but that allows me to narrow that down by saying not in common with it. That's not triangulation. We're going to talk about triangulation here. The in common with feature shows you who you do match in common, but it doesn't mean that you match them from the same line, and it doesn't mean you match them on the same segment. It's just a tool. It's a tip. It's a hint. It's a place to go. But you can see right here that these two people match in common with, and I think it was my mother I was using at this point, that one is from the father's side, and one is from the mother's side, but they do match the same person in common with my mother. So, in common with this tool it don't take it to be more than this. It's a great tool, but it's not the answer at the end of the rainbow. So, let's talk about triangulation for a minute. How many of you are confused by triangulation? I knew. Okay. Let me tell you two things. First of all, at the end of this presentation I had a great surprise for you, and second of all, I have an article coming out very, very shortly that is titled Honour Ordered Titles. It's about exactly what triangulation is, and it's in light of the new tool that's coming out. We have an article that will be published today after this session ends. So, don't go looking now. I want to tension up here. It's not out there yet. So, triangulation is the technique. What I use for this is an actual triangle because you match person A and B. Okay? So, I match my cousin back there, and I match this lady sitting right here. But if this lady sitting right here doesn't match my cousin on the same segment that I match both of them on, then they're from different sides of the family or one of them is by chance. So, triangulation is a tool that helps you determine whether your matches on the same segment are actually from the same side of your family and are legitimate matches that will help your genealogical. So, person A must match person B and C. On a reasonably sized segment, do not go into small segments yet. I'm not telling you they're not useful someday, but most of us have enough larger ones, especially when we're starting, really deal with it. Just aim way through small segments together. And 500 snips are larger. That's because we want enough snipped density to also, I don't want to use the word guaranteed to make it hopefully legitimate match. Person A, B, and C cannot be smaller. Oh my god. And batteries make more difference. 500 snips are larger. Person A, B, and C cannot be immediate family members because if I use my mother as another leg of this triangle, that's really not useful in terms of triangulation. I'm trying to see if our common ancestor back in time is the same. Not if I can answer that. No, I can't answer that. So, they can't be related. People say how close is too close. My kind of rule with them is first cousins and more distant are firing you know, it's a rule with them. But I don't know B&A police. There are B&A arguers. So, you must match a common ancestor line. So, if I'm trying to decide if we match, we may triangulate technically, but if we can't find a common ancestor line, it's really not a triangulated match. So, the matches should have well-developed trees. The match should not be in a known pile-up region. You go to my blog and you type pile-up in the search thing in the corner. It tells you where all the known pile-up regions are. I have a article about that. So, pile-up region is where lots of people match just because they're human. From some sixes a segment never mind. So, eliminate these, eliminate or reduce the possibility that the common ancestor is from another line. So, triangulation, you could, the smaller the segment, it's possible that you could triangulate and it could be simply happenstance, but the larger the segment, the less likely that is. So, what we want is more than matches in a triangulation group. Three can work more than three is even better, because the more you get, the bigger they are, the more assured you are that it's legitimate. Base family matches in common with project matches and surnames are all clues where to look. Let's say we all triangulate, but we don't know who that common ancestor is. All those other tools will help us know where to go. So, the next tool is advanced matching. How many of you even know this is this out there? Good. Good. I'm glad to see that. What advanced matching is on that drop down that I showed you earlier, that's over on the right, but it's actually on your personal page, it's on the left. And what advanced matching allows you to do is to write multiple things like Family Finder and mitochondrial DNA or to look within a specific project. And I use it for projects all the time because I administer like, I don't know, 20 something at last count. Let's say it's the Estes project and I want to know I allow people that aren't Estes males to join. I encourage everybody to join as an Estes. So, I want to know within that Estes project who matches who. Or you want to know, because you might be an Estes and you join, and now you want to know if you match just within the Estes project. So, that's what advanced matching does. It allows you to select multiple features up here and shows you who within that project matched. Now, I started a project called the Miller Brethren Project a few years ago because my Miller family was brethren. Like I mentioned in my this was originally was to sort out the Y line of that line. But they're still brethren. No one wanted DNA tests and they're not going to go back and back and I actually got somebody. But now it's people have joined over the years and not only do I have the Y signature, but now I can use a lot of solo matching too. Even within that project matches. And that's what this is. You can combine them in any number of ways. I mean, streaming is the tool most people would even know about. So, let's take a look and see on the chromosome browser what we have. But before I do that, I want to show you this relationship. This is on the Miller line. And the Miller, you know, we're talking about lines but there's always an unspoken spouse. Because when you find out you can send from a couple, you can say I have a send from the Johann Michael Miller line, but it's really the Johann Michael Miller and Suzanna Burkall line. Okay? So, here's how these people that are testing are all related. Now, I tested every one of these people. So, I'm telling you at fun, I have access to their kids personally. But it helps me a great deal because I can use the tool and I can go in and verify that the tool is actually reporting correctly and things like that. So, these people are related. All these people at the bottom tested. And this one's really interesting because look, this person, H.A. Miller, these people were first targeted. So, he's going to have more Miller DNA than he should have for where he was in the tree and his parents and ancestors were first targeted to each other. So, here's the chromosome browser. And what we did is I selected these five people from the perspective of my mother. So, the black background and she long knows the person from whom you're looking. And I wanted to draw your attention to chromosome three here because look, several people match my mother on a common segment here on chromosome three. So, that's these people that I selected from that line. So, let's see what we can do with this. I downloaded additional information from that line and we can see here, I color coded it. And we can see here that these different people, there's three areas where multiple people match my mother. So, the question is, do these people triangle at all these points? Now, these people are pretty close. When you go back to the category chart, I'm not going back to the category chart, but if you look at the category chart, they're not that distant. We're not talking about seven generations ago. We're talking within the last three or four generations. So, I agree. And that's how I was able to find these cases to test. So, what we're doing here is we're going to look and see if they actually triangle it with each other. And you can't do this directly, but because I have access to each other kits, I can go in and see if they match each other. So, they look either from my mother side, from her father's side, or I didn't know my chance. There are three alternatives. There's only three alternatives. So, if there is no three way match, then you know it's not common to assess the match. So, they do the same. And there's a four way. So, the next thing, the next tool to use is the matrix. And if you put these people into the matrix, you can determine if they're related to each other. If they match each other, aren't they going to do the same? You cannot determine if it's on the same segment. Now, Jim Bartlett has done more actual segmenting probably than anybody else in mapping his own segments. And he said that it's very rare that he finds a match that, and they don't try to do it. I mean, you can take that for what it's worth. It's a tool. But look here. This is really interesting, because two of these people, W-Lintz and C-Lintz they match all these other people, but their match should be here. Their match isn't there. This says they all match each other. Well, that doesn't make sense, sure, when they match each other. They're really closely related. You think they match? I thought they match. Well, how could they not match? I mean, that's a big segment. So, I've downloaded the data, because that doesn't make any sense to me. So, here's what I did. Now, remember I have access to all the kits, because I'm... So, I color-coded them. Our miller is pink, and Cheryl is yellow, and Barbara is my mother. So, I downloaded all three of them into common spreadsheets. I color-coded them, so I'm a visual person. I needed that. So, I look here, and look, they all match on the same segment, and to each other, okay? So, you got Barbara to each person, and then you got these people to each other. They triangulate. This one down here, they triangulate. This middle segment there, do they triangulate? No, they don't. Mother matches both of these with these two. There's no match to each other. So, the matrix is white. But what does that mean? Who knows? What does that mean? She's got that right. One is from the mother side, one is from the father side. Now, one could have been by chance except, look how big these segments are. These segments are in the range 17 and 27. Those aren't by chance. That's just not something we see as segments that big would be by chance. So, these are very likely one from my mother's side and one from my father's side. But on these other segments, they do triangulate. Now, I did not expect that. So, I didn't believe it. I went to great lengths to see if there was a bug, if there was something wrong, if I'm like, that can't be. So, the next thing I really wanted to do is talk about you may not be fortunate enough to have access to the data like I do, okay? Now, if you're project administrator, you have some level of access, but not everybody is. And if they're not in your project, you don't have access anyway. So, I'm constantly wanting access to somebody's matching data that I don't have. So, I need to triangulate it. And I need a tool to triangulate it. Now, a lot of people, some people if they're interested, they'll reply and they'll provide you with their information, but not everybody does. So, Family Tree DNA is working on a triangulation tool. Then it announced that the Jewish genealogy meeting, so I can say it publicly because of it. They are working on a triangulation tool. It's been in the works for almost two years. But, there are also a lot of other priorities. Like, you know, that big why re-processing that's going on? Well, sometimes the triangulation tool will get slides down underneath whatever the next process is. So, today, I have a surprise for you. And an introduction today. Lauren, would you raise your hand and, like, stand up? I want you all to turn around and look at this man with his hand up, stand up, stand up. Because you cannot all rush him and kiss him at once. Okay? You have to stand in line and take a ticket. Okay? Because he has developed a triangulation tool that runs on the Family Tree DNA site. So, you don't have to download. You don't have to do anything. And you don't have to take notes because the one that is going to be published half an hour after the conference closes today has all the instructions and if you will meet. So, I want you to give him this man around the clock. So, this tool is also free. So, I, you know, this is one of the things in the genetic genealogy community. So, here's what how it works. And he will, before I forget to tell you, he will be in the Family Tree DNA booth off and on and around the conference tomorrow as well. And so, I want you to go out and buy more kits for all these people that you now want to triangulate, especially if the people you transferred and they're not full transfers, there's not enough DNA, you know, put it on, that ancestor B2 or the B4 B5 23. So, let's look at what this tool does and how it works. What you're going to do is in the chromosome browser, after you bring up your family matches, just like if you're selecting a common chromosome browser, we're going to select the people to triangulate. Except after you install the tool, and it's literally a one-click install if you already have Chrome on your system. I use Chrome. He does provide other functionality with other browsers that I only used Chrome. But it installs a little tab here on the Family Tree DNA site because it's a browser program. So, what you do is you select the people to triangulate up to the five, just like you do any other time, and then you go in and you click on this, and there's a little top-down box that shows you, gives you triangulated segments, click on triangulated, and it shows you the triangulated segments. So, I hit those same people, and this is what the triangulator tool looks like. It shows you the areas where they match in yellow, at the area where they triangulate in the red, and guess what? That same area is absent, isn't it? We have the first part of chromosome 3 right here, the first segment and the second segment, but the middle segment is also absent here. So, this works exactly the same way as my manual triangulation that I did by downloading the various different people's spreadsheets. So, this is a great tool. He's been working on it for some time, and I've been reading any pig, so because I was really anxious to get it, it was a wonderful tool. And back in the night that he was helping me download, we were doing the early documentation stuff, I stayed up all night. I mean literally all night, when the sun started to come up, I made myself I think you were online that night. Yeah, that's a night, yeah. I'm like, Murray's you're up all night, but so are you. So, what do you want to do to make the most of your autosomal DNA at family tree DNA? You want to test everybody, test everybody you can, test cousins, buy those kits, take them to family reunions. Christmas, that's a wonderful time. Test your grandkids too. Test your kids, test them all. They won't necessarily help you in terms of going back further, but they will help you understand it's a good way to pass this love on as long as you know in and date when with it. But my granddaughter has really been the key to this. She was actually going to be here to present with me tomorrow. She's a teenager, but she did not. She did travel issues and she's not able to do that. But it's a way to bring the next generation into this cycle when you can see something snazzy and real from the sun browser. It makes them excited. Transfer your results for 23andMe, V3 and the Ancestry V1. It's the same Chips Family Tree DNA, so you get all your matches. You don't have to worry about only getting closest matches. Re-test for 23andMe, V4, V5, which is the new chip since August the 9th. And the Ancestry V2 is possible. Now I say if possible, if someone's died or you can't get them to test again, then the best you can do is to transfer those in. But you'll only get your closest matches. And that's not because Family Tree DNA is being ungenerous. It's because the chip doesn't have that much overlap that they can give you all of them. So they're just upfront with you. You're only getting your generally closest matches. Usually between 20 and 25% of the matches you would get if you tested on the same chip. Use all the available tools. Don't miss them. I have a new procedure that I go through. It's like a pre-flight checklist. I just step through each one of these because you don't know what you're missing if you don't. So think about these and how to use them most effectively. Put gas in the car. Put a tree up. Link those people. Do all the things you can do to help yourself so that the system can help you find those phased matches or those in common with those serving. If you find a link to somebody who doesn't have that, email them. I'm not going to help them with their tree. Do whatever you need to do to help you make this a more useful environment for everybody. Upgrade people. Of course with their permission. But as an administrator, I can't tell you the tips I've paid for. I pay part of. I pay all of. I email people directly when sales happen at Christmas time and in the summer and I say did you know this and this is how it can help you. If I hear about nothing fine, but if it's what I really want, I just tell them. They're scholarship. They won't take you up on it in a lot of time that you tell them you're paying for because they're embarrassed. If you tell them I have a scholarship for this line, that saves them the embarrassment and who cares with you. You've got the information and you're sharing it. They're willing, you know. And also don't forget about why you wanted to convert at the end. Because sometimes we get so excited about this that we forget that part and it's a very valid part of our story. So I have a standing offer that anyone who descends from my why and my economy lines, any of my ancestors, that I don't have why my, why I've deviated from my economy before. I pay for the test. On my 52 ancestors series, I say at the bottom of everyone there's scholarship for this. And yes I have paid for the line. And I don't care if it's cheaper than a trip to the courthouse you could ever make. If you've got to go $1,300,000, you know. And it's a very, very valid part. And more than one time, that's actually just two of my native ancestors that I didn't know who they were. And that's how he found his native ancestors was through my economy in a testing of lineages of that. So don't forget about that. If a part of your lineage too, have fun. This is about you know, it's like we get so serious sometimes we forget to have fun. And so have fun and enjoy it and meet your cousins and do all these things and bring it into the next generation. You know, we are on the cuff of leading edge technology. We're still on the frontier. We're all those pioneers that homesteaded. We're homesteading the DNA that our ancestors gave us to take into the future. So we can now go. I think you're totally closed earlier. Now I can't get close at all. Are we married? Well it is working but it's um, I think I need to turn down the volume. I'm not entirely sure how. So I'm going to turn this one off and I think we'll just use your microphone instead of my way of doing it. Thanks so much for that. That was really, really good. And what a wonderful surprise at the end. So now we're going to all be triangulating. All night. All night long. We'll go into the next morning by the looks of things now as well. Are you going to be showing people like later tonight? We're going to get thrown out at six. So tomorrow you'll be out somewhere and you'll help people get into questions and treat everybody. So you can go there by kids and see them triangulate. Now I have a question about that actually because when you use the tool it actually identifies very nicely a triangulated segment. What do you do with that? Do you still have to have the spreadsheet and all your matches in it? Or how do you actually organize it once you've actually identified what is a triangulated segment? That's such a good question. He has some generous who provided us with a little download at the very bottom of the community. At the bottom here, right here, you can download the different segments that triangulate and then you can pop those into your spreadsheet that you're keeping if you want to as triangulated segments. Or you can just download them if you want to. But that's what I did when I put them in my spreadsheet. It's in the same format. Any other great questions? There is a question from Debbie here at the back Debbie, if you come over this way and we'll meet in the middle. There we go. Identifying known pilot regions. What are my unknown pilot regions? How do we know when a triangulated segment is likely to be a pilot region? Good question and I'm coming back here. This is a big problem. English is the language that divides this. I'm like pilot regions. There are a number of published pilot regions and that's within the block. There's another type of pilot region. Ancestry actually strips this out that's one of the things that they do. They look at areas in your DNA that's too matchy. Well, let me tell you, some of those segments in my DNA that are too matchy are like Canadian lines. And those Canadian lines, there's endotomy in those lines. So I do match a lot of people and you could consider the pilot region. But it's a useful pilot region for me. In some cases, those people that I'm piling up with, I may not necessarily recognize the lineage, but they're all from a certain part of the world. They're all from Germany. They're all like Canadian lines. So you can recognize a pilot region. Sometimes when you look and you see a lot of people that are matching you on the same region that may not have a discernible link back to that family. They may or may not match each other. If they don't match each other then you're not trying to link it. So you can throw them out of the lineage. But it's a really good question. But the ones that are documented are on that in that article and they're taken from academic papers. When you start seeing matches, it doesn't mean they're entirely invalid. But if you have a pilot, a match somebody on chromosome 6 in an area of the age of a region, which is documented in that article and that's the only part that you match them on, then it's probably not a valid match because that's part of the region in some cases. So it's a really good question. We have a question here from Jared. Yes, we have autosomal tools. We also have Y and MTDNA and we have big Y. Are there any tools to make all of these work together? I think these are setup questions. He asked if there were any tools to make these work together. The only tool to make them work together is the advanced matching and that doesn't include big Y. That includes just Y and Y. So you can find out if somebody matches you both on the YDNA and on the somal, which is another clue or on mitochondrial and on the somal, which can be another clue. But there aren't any at this point other tools to make them all work together. And I don't know of any of the works. Other questions for Roberta? I think I may have a question, but I forgot about it. Are you ever using genome-made pro for example? Are you still using Excel spreadsheets preferably? That's a really good question too. I actually have tried twice to you. Genome-made pro, let me identify what it is. It's a tool that allows you to upload your matches from not only family tree DNA, but ancestry, although they don't provide chromosome data, so they're much useless on ancestry. And also from 23andMe, anyone who provides chromosome data and they help you they can't triangulate per se because they don't have the other side of the matches, but they help you with matching groups and ancestors and things like that. I've tried twice to utilize it. It's a very technical setup and I think the installation was 172 pages long. I didn't finish either time. But here's my issue. I have been doing this for a long time. I have in my spreadsheet that I didn't show you, but I could. I have all kinds of notes in columns to the right of these. If you triangulate to a common ancestor who also matched what we said in email, I don't have any way to input that information that I've accumulated over all these years into genome-made pro. So it might be a good tool for somebody who's starting out, but it is not a tool that I, because I would have to go in after that and at one by one type all those things back in somehow. I don't want to do that. Two questions here. Let's have one to hear from a comment on from Deborah. Yes, I'm GNP. They've been here started a genetic genealogy to a group of Facebook and there is an explanation of going step by step by step in setting up their software. I have not gotten the way I did. I started from scratch on this and I found it very helpful. So you used genome-made pro? Yes. Is it worth it? I think so, but I had never done the way you had done it. The key is starting from scratch. Once you've already started then it's very difficult. I don't know if you're referring to Lea Larkin-Perkins. Yes, it's genealogy tools, tips and techniques that can help. Lea Larkin-Perkins did, was it nine steps or ten lessons? Several and it's our kind. Twelve, seventeen, I'll raise you. But she did an excellent job of math because she went through step by step so she took those installation instructions and then made them step by step but there's still many steps and like I said I've tried twice and I'm like no it's not working for you. If you were just for starting it might be. What'd you do? I stopped. That was a nice question. I used JetMatch Tier 1. I'm like sort of an enormous amount of information and I really don't know where it goes from here. What does it even work for JetMatch Tier 1? Well most of us use JetMatch. I mean it's kind of not everybody tested the same company and the people that do use JetMatch tend to be more interested in this field. I use Tier 2 because the tools that I find the most useful are actually in the upgraded version, you know the pure paint area. Yeah, that's what you want to do. Yeah, the paint, that's the most... So I use those, I do use those all the time. My preference is I like this kind of where I was in the family training and it has better because I think it's more visual, it's easier for me to see. So I have some preferences that way. I like Garnt's Trangulation Tool much better simply because I think it's a very visual, it's very easy to see. And you have to ask someone to download something like that because a lot of people aren't going to do that whether they're an ancestor, no matter where they're at they're just not going to do that. And I use the only one that I don't use anymore is 23Me because they have to change this 47 times if they've actually made it to the point that I think it's almost in use of this. I don't use that anymore but I use all the other types. Any other questions? Right, well that brings us to the end of Day 2 of Genetic Genealogy Ireland and what a wonderful way to finish it off, especially with a wonderful surprise. So I'd like you to put your hands together to thank Goran and Rebecca.