 Welcome to the high agency podcast with your host Noah Ravoy. That's me and today's guest is a man That is active and doing things in the world a lot of men talk about what's wrong with the world They're worried about the lack of masculinity. They're worried about the rise and power of feminism But they don't actually do much Anthony Johnson today's guest is a man who is doing things Having multiple events over a number of years even during the lockdown times of COVID He organized one of the biggest man's sphere events in history and I'd like to welcome Welcome him to talk with us today Welcome Anthony, thanks for having me on man. I'm excited to be here. Yeah, my pleasure. I Was really surprised at the height of the COVID lockdowns Instead of backing down you doubled down with three events at once Unfortunately, I couldn't attend due to the fact that My my country wasn't allowing I would have got stuck there probably permanently. I'd be your neighbor But yeah, it's it's amazing how Your you've been so active at a time when a lot of other people are frozen and really not doing much of anything You know, there were other man's sphere events that were canceled or got turned into a podcast And you you just were like no straight ahead full tilt ahead. Let's do three at once I even I mean, you're right number one number two yesterday I even saw I mean, this is not that surprising that a digital marketing Some Ryan dice guy I follow on Twitter from a while ago. He's like all his digital marketing crap I don't even like I don't even know what I look at it I don't even know what the hell I follow it But I know that he's one of the biggest internet marketers in the world in terms of promoting courses and stuff on that And they turn their whole I think traffic and conversion summit that they do every year and to this giant shit show of zoom calls Like they he showed a video off of it like it's all cool and like hip and all this fucking stupid shit And they had literally these giant walls in the studio filled with fucking people coming in on zoom It's like the it's it's probably the most gay thing. I've ever say I just fucking hate it It's so stupid. It is like I just hate all this fucking hyper digital crap and The more people it's like people that are embracing this new normal and it's like really insane, you know No world order crap When I see self-improvement people do it. It's just so cringe It's it's cringe beyond cringe and I hate it. So, yeah, we've seen it the man's fair This these you know conferences get turned into basically a Skype show and then also in other industries, too. It's just peak loser them Yeah, it's there is something powerful about getting together face-to-face and You know that the American Revolution the first American Revolution happened because men were getting together face-to-face in Bars and taverns and talking about politics and getting angry about it and you know occasionally in a fist fight over it and that physical close quarters interaction where you had to say something to another man and Gages immediate reaction and there was feedback That is extremely powerful and we don't get that that much anymore. We've been very very isolated Not just there were always events of course But there weren't a lot of people getting out to events. You'll see a lot of people are Essentially stuck in their basement or their mom's basement. They're stuck Living a isolated life from other people and that you just can't be a full man if you're not around other men It's impossible. Yeah, I've always been a fan of physical men I mean whether it's physical conferences or even something like, you know movies as Technology has improved in recent years and decades. You've seen everything go streaming streaming streaming and why I like the utility of that I've always been a fan of physical media Like you know 4k DVDs Blu-ray is things like this as I like owning things and physically having them at hand So that people can't take them away from you and as you've seen today with the rise of you know all this new technology Amazon for example can delete or edit Kindle books on the fly whatever they want whatever they want to censor right movies as well HBO recently with gone with the wind they they added this whole new introduction That you had to watch before watching the movie like on their streaming service So they can give you all this context for and I suppose the racism in the movie and all this crap or whatever It's so fucking stupid And physical media, you know largely prevents this from happening or is a major roadblock to it You know, you can't take the DVD out of my fucking hand You know, you'll take it from my cold dead hands is fucking DVD right of this book You know you to burn a book digitally is way easier than burning it physically to burn in the book physically I have all shit time behind me a lot of them written by speakers like yourself and stuff. You know speakers like you anyway I don't know that you're working on books now, too. I need to interview you actually Yeah, there you go. I need it and yeah, and I'm really getting some great feedback from the first people Looking at the book. Anyway, when I get that book at my house, you know, if you want to burn that You know, you're gonna do it over my dead body Doing it off a Kindle device or something or whatever my Amazon account is a million times easier And that's really not only Orwellian the dangerous Information and ideas and you know the free flow of those ideas is super super important For human life and for the future of liberty and everything right down to the issues We focus on were closely like masculine day the man's fear and stuff Yes, it almost every post-apocalyptic Story or movie or novel there's a you know the issue in there of an attempt to destroy all of existing culture and replace it with something else And so there'll be people hoarding books hoarding hoarding other things that are a representation of the previous existing culture and that gives us that Culture gives us a stability the books give us a stability You know if you read a you know the a good example is reading the Dictionary if you get one that's pre-World War two You'll often notice that words are a lot more richly defined there You'll look at words now and it's as if you know the victors have rewritten the the dictionaries the people that have gotten control of this media are rewriting it I Want to say that happened recently I saw Google or not Google but Webster some major dictionary online They redefined I think Sexism simply sexism and they and they slanted it and they were they were like typically it's against women I'm like, holy fuck like this is so they're just redefining words in the flat It's not the only one but that was just a more egregious one sexism, of course should just be against You know discrimination on the basis of sex just in a very simplistic sense Not against women or even against men even I think it's more popular today against men than it is against woman by far Well, the language is how we're programmed as humans when we think about what I'm gonna do today I think I'm going to do X Y and Z but their words are not imagining the physical actions So when you can control words you can control how people are programmed if people are programmed to behave in a certain way or to hate a Certain thing that has a certain label now you just change the meaning of that label and you've got a chance to control them Basically every every white person that's not ashamed of being white gets called a Nazi now Yeah, you don't even have to be white, you know I remember there were people saying that somehow the 21 one of the 21 events was racist even though about a third of the speakers are black and This is what happened is you they've come up with these words and said bad man bad man bad man And now they can take those labels and they put them on whoever they want and this way they control people's perception and most people are very weak against that I think Most of the people that went to school and had these positive experiences in school They enjoyed being programmed and they enjoyed being squished down into their little box They get out of school and they get out of university and they want to continue that experience of some Knowledge figure telling them what the world is and how to believe things and what they should do and they crave it And they keep looking for it afterwards and a lot of the men that really stand on their own We didn't particularly like school. We didn't find public school was satisfying to us We often many of us never went to university or if we did we you know, we had issues there with not fitting into the Accepted social norms of the school. So this is this is a fact that We've created as a society people who are desperately looking for someone to tell them what to believe. Yep Yeah, it's disgusting. I mean it's such a repulsive and repugnant way to live As a man or even as a human being more widely, you know male or female you mentioned school I mean god, you know when I was a as the older I got for what there's a couple different ways you could look at this But as I progressed through, you know K through 12 in the United States through school School became increasingly I think also with the times maybe more less about learning less about knowledge more about Memorization and more authoritarian more rules more restrictions, you know, you need to pass to go down the hallway I was bullshit, right? The more it became like that the less I liked it and the more I fucking hated it and the more I rebelled And I was in you know, for example in high schools in the hardest classes you could take in the state International back bachelorette or baccalaureate. Oh, wow. I'd be yeah. I'd be yeah Yeah, it started in Switzerland or something like that. So I was in IB classes, which were weighted even more heavily than AP classes They're pretty close to the first year or two of university and difficulty Yeah, for sure And I was like 13 14 years old doing this stuff when start when I started doing it a freshman year and all the way through senior I did it, but I was like notoriously just the biggest role of my teachers I would absolutely just make their lives of living hell the ones I didn't like which is probably like 80% of them One or two I'd usually like each year because they were they were more old school. They were more respectful They were much more about learning and you could tell that they respected their students these other ones were just fucking, you know Early wokesters, I guess we could call them before everything became the great awoken in 2013. I graduated high school in 2006 for example But yeah, I mean, that's that's a very great you know, I I think it's an element of being masculine when I was young and You know, the less it became about learning less became about knowledge more became about being obedient the more fucking hated it And you know, we see that but you're right You see that out into the world today the the students I can see it on Facebook You know these the people into high school with the ones that are more obedient and you know They were not on my side of trolling the teachers. There was a group of us I would leave this whole gang of trolls against the teachers and the ones who are not they're all those fucking losers now You know, they're the ones who are bitching at me in college that I should You know, my business was crazy. I should give up on the business and you know get a real job They're all fucking unemployed now. Yeah, and I'm running three businesses There there's a media and everything There's a certain risk but also a strength in being your own man and creating your own thing And there's a fragility in wanting to follow the crowd because you stop you stop mattering You become a grain of sand in the brick that someone's building their own empire out of instead of being your own thing You become disposable a lot of people are gonna start regretting the fact that they've made themselves Unessential they're even being called that. Nope. Sorry. Don't come to work anymore. Your job is unessential. Yep It's to be told that is going to be psychologically destructive to people But I think that if they if they can take that and go somewhere with it They're gonna come all the way back around the other end and realize that there is some some power in Being told that your old way of living is Unsustainable it is it's not real Yeah, one of the one of the things you've been talking a lot about lately. I've noticed is the cult of forgiveness Yeah, yeah, I wanted to talk about that. I know that wasn't in the initial things that I mentioned to talk about But I know you you're on the right track on that. It's exactly what I think on that Tell us a little bit about that that cult of forgiveness. Yeah So if you if the guy is watching this notice, I was looking around for I have books fucking all around me Not just behind me. I have like tables of books books there is fucking books everywhere So I'm looking for what book I can grab to show that off The ones I need are behind this giant another banner. I have I can't even get to them right now But they're by the psychologist a Swiss psychologist Alice Miller. She died I think in 2010 2013 But she was famous and I think the late 70s 80s and even to the 90s writing I guess you could say books not only a psychology, but many of them focused on childhood trauma abuse and In many ways the concept of forgiveness. She also analyzed certain historical figures like Adolf Hitler Trying to basically, you know, break down and second analyze why he was the way he was You never hear much about his parents, for example, all these documentaries about World War two World War two World War two You have this, you know, super super evil figure. Okay, you know, Adolf Hitler is dictator that murdered all these millions of people and stuff But of course, not even you know, well behind the Soviets and the Chinese and their slaughter But you never hear about where like where he came from other than being a painter, you know, and some shit like this Yeah, they all said you got you got rejected from art school. So we decided to take over the world Yeah, and and and what and burn people and throw people in ovens like it's fucking nuts No, he had a really fucked up childhood and his parents think we're you know, there's basically something worth looking into But so Alice Miller was one of the I've always been skeptical the concept of forgiveness Not too much publicly But when I hear this when I hear certain things it just kind of gives me, you know gut feeling like there's something there worth looking into someday And just kind of happenstance. Well, Richard Grandin's work I would say was my first stepping stone to understanding that forgiving abusers is a bad idea Especially when it's a social mainstream normie push like what does the average person believe they actually believe all this crap They read about forgiveness and that's so when they see it on Twitter on social media and Instagram They like like like like like they're not liking something that they didn't previously believe they're not retweeting something They didn't already believe they're just Reaffirming what they already believe But that person is hitting kind of a guilt button in them like they're mad at somebody You know the mainstream idea is that you should not be mad anger is bad hate is bad all this stuff No, like you should hate evil You should fill your heart with hate if someone wants to fucking kill you and round you up and throw you in a fucking gas chamber Or FEMA camp you should hate that person with a passion that you should fucking seek to stop them by any means necessary I Think if you're a man, you shouldn't you shouldn't be able to you shouldn't trust a man who's incapable of hate Yeah, there's wrong with that man if he can't hate, you know a man who can't Control his hate is very different than than a man who just can't hate it shows a fundamental Weakness in his emotional perception of his life If you can't if you can't hate how can you love because I hate the things that threaten the things I love Yes, if I can't hate Then am I really loving anything and that that kind of emotional numbness is usually the result of childhood trauma Yep, very well put very well put it's a nail on the head and these are the things that Alice mirrors Alice Miller speaks about Very eloquently she reminds me she even looks in some ways like I ran She's kind of a psychologist I ran I ran was a little bit into psychology But not really she's much more in a philosophy and she was a novelist. She was an author Fiction as well as nonfiction So yeah, but the there's kind of a cult of forgiveness I call them the forgiveness police in terms of self-improvement people not just the man is fear But the whole self-improvement community, you know worldwide will focus on this It's all nonsense. It doesn't mean forgiveness is completely useless as a tool In human life and that it's wrong in every circumstance. It's ridiculous But the way that it is so widely applied And you know what the one of the main things it does is it keeps abusers in your life It is this unwarranted forgiveness that is that is so rigorously encouraged A lot of it's backed up by religion too. And I think that's one of the things that You know, if you identify your forgiveness advice, we'll call it as religious advice I don't have a problem with it It's when people present things in a way that it's like practical advice and it even seeps out into culture genuinely It extends well beyond any religious context and people just propagate this stuff into the future And yeah, I think we're going to hear a big push on that Or the next little while if um, and I doubt this is what's going to happen But if somehow uh, Trump doesn't get a second term, we're going to hear a lot about this You know, we've been threatening you for four years You've been saying all how you're all a bunch of evil Nazis and this and that and the other thing But let's all get along now that we're in power And that's what every abuser says. This is how we can spot the abusers They never take personal responsibility for what they've done Which would demonstrate that they have agency over it. They never take personal responsibility They never truly apologize They're sorry. I got caught. That's right. Sorry it bothers you But never I am deeply sorry for what I've done and they never work to undo the damage They don't seek redemption Yeah, that's why forgiveness is so toxic when it's applied out of context, which is 80 90 of the time people do it You're trying and then they then they dress it up and they have all these fancy rationalizations and magical benefits and wishful thinking It's it's for me bro. It's for you, you know, and they're giving you advices for you, man You know, don't don't hold hate in your heart bro. No, it's all bullshit Uh, you know, and they they also give you a lot of false binaries You know these these extreme things like if you don't forgive them, the hate is going to eat you alive forever This is stupid. Like you should not You know Challenging the the cult of forgiveness does not mean you should walk around 24 seven fucking angry at certain people that were abusers And the rest previous in your life or something That's just a stupid way to live And I'm not suggesting that What I am suggesting is that forgiveness is massively abused as a tool and it's very toxic Uh used wrongly, which is most of the time and it keeps you trapped it keeps you trapped in toxic abusive relationships Whether it's physically in real life, you know proximity of people you live with or whatever relation, you know intimate relationships But even in your own mind You're falsely forgiving somebody who's not even seeking forgiveness is a lot of times how this is used And not even seeking not only not seeking forgiveness In words, but never in a mind in action through redemption. Like what can I do to make make amends and make this right? So you don't see that and it's all just these magical benefits and you're gonna You're gonna set free your heart and all this stuff now bullshit You've talked about, you know acting true to your heart. I believe Yeah, you need to use your emotions as fuel to make you do things You can decide intellectually i'm going to do something and this is anyone who coaches or is a therapist People they know the client will come in and say yeah, I'm gonna do better I'm gonna do this and do the other thing and you're looking at them And you're like no you're gonna be back in next week. It's gonna be the same thing We have to tap into that emotion So that when you go to do it people do what they feel like doing Most of the time they generally don't do things. They don't feel like doing most people have very little self-control and self-regulation and they don't want to waste at all On silly things and so if you get your emotions aligned with the things you want to do That gives you that energy to do it I want to this is this is a directly in alignment from alice miller with what you're saying She has a book and I have it by 10 feet from me and the book is you can get an amazon It's called the body never lies And it's one of the main things that she she teaches and permits not only in that book But even previously and after that And what she's referring to is really your emotions that are that are being Communicated through your body And that's for example when you get angry when you're fearful when you're you feel courageous when you feel dedicated to something whatever it is You need to act Well, not only your actions you need to figure out in self direct But the emotions are not lying to you the body never lies There's a reason you're having these these emotional responses And they're not only fuel but their knowledge that you can you can tap into And one of them would be anger if you're angry at somebody Uh, and it's instinctual. There's probably a fucking reason for it. You should look into Yeah, anger can be very protective Yes, there's a lot of men that because of this this call to forgiveness They're actually making the people around them worse and they will be good for them to be angry with these people Now anger doesn't mean you're going to take any specific action You can be very angry. I think you're the you're kind of like this when you're angry You're not it's not necessarily visible to anyone else Yeah, yeah, yeah that kind of cold cold anger that's I would call that the most masculine of angers is that yeah, I'm angry But you don't know it you're gonna find out Because I'm gonna do stuff But you're gonna you're gonna find out but right now I'm not out of control anger You see yeah, it's the Hulk saying I'm always it's a secret. I'm always angry. Yeah, exactly well, I think to a certain extent this this culture of Automatic forgiveness probably came from women throughout history There were times of women we get you know their their tribe would be destroyed they'd be taken off to a new tribe And the new tribe nested and wasn't necessarily really nice and accommodating to them They were essentially slaves in the new tribe And they'd be given a new husband all of this and they just had to They just had to make do I would say it's probably a lot like feminism It's it's the women and then it's also the beta sims beta males the gamma males should like that If you notice there's a look at a guy like Donald Trump You can look through all these youtube videos and the videos of trump throughout the decades not just years of decades And does this seem like a guy who forgives people easily or at all? No, he openly talks about he's like, yeah I like getting even I like that and fucking revenge, you know, you get hit you punch back 10 times harder 100 times harder Fucking destroy him, right? This is more this is how this dude operates publicly as a billionaire and now as president of the united states for a long time And I think that's actually very he's a very alpha dude in his own specific way unique To him as well as a style. There's other alpha males like him the chat thundercocks of the world And the chat priests and all these people, right? all these men He's socially and in business. He's a social alpha Yeah, he's the leader of he's always been a leader of men He's always had people following him But it's just an auto. He's not an auto forgiver. It's these beta males and male feminist and and women Who are more inclined to do this like you automatic forgiveness? It's a really good way to put it because it's mindless. It's automatic It's uh, it's sort of someone told me to or Socially, it's the right thing to do and that's the mainstream opinion That's what the bible told me to do and it's what the Ten Commandments told me to do Now it's fucking it's all fucking nonsense Anything mindless is bad Period like i'm an objectivist. I believe that to the bone Irrationality is bad. It's the root of evil Acting mindlessly like a fucking pathetic Not pathetic necessarily, but as a human being it's pathetic to act like an animal and not as a human being And that's this is forgiveness is one of the ways that that happens and what happens then after the fact As endless is this is what our ellis miller the psychologist argues psychotherapists actually I think It's basically the number one enabler of childhood trauma And intergenerational trauma. It's the reason trauma gets passed down to generations people wonder why Are they blame genetics and shit like that? No, it's stupid It's because you forget people who are fucking abusive to you and you don't cut you don't stop the cycle So it just keeps going which is it has momentum. I wouldn't stop if you were If you were hit as a kid the instinct is then hit your kids Yeah, because that's what was modeled for you And if you say, oh, you know, I forgive my parents. They didn't know any better. It's no big deal You're more likely to hit your kid because when you hit them, you're not you're not Saying like remind remembering your parents hitting you, you know as a kid who was hit by my parents a lot When I have my kids and I feel that instinct to hit them I I don't think about even them. I'm thinking about like, man, how did I feel when my parents hit me? And there's no forgiveness there because there there was never an opportunity for them Like I gave them opportunities, but they never took those opportunities So it's sharp in my mind and I have to you know, we have to correct the intergenerational traumas They're pretty deep in us and we can't correct them by just intellectual means We need to have it on emotional and intellectual working together Yeah, I agree. You know, I told a couple of young parents not too long ago. They were like, why don't you believe in, uh, You know hitting children Even even for disciplinary reasons, which I think is different from, you know, closed fist abuse Yeah, even even for, you know, spanking and stuff. I'm like, well I don't you know, my philosophy is simple. You shouldn't hit people you love And it just got real quiet and real cold real quick Because I'm like, yeah, like when people hear that they're like, oh Yeah, do you think you should hit people you love you think that's you know, the right thing to do No, it's fucking stupid. It's dumber than shit So I don't support it at all and no and it it tends to cultivate within the children and acceptance of other people abusing them So a lot of people say if I often don't hit my kids, they're going to grow up weak Especially boys are going to grow up weak. The reality is is they grow up weak to whatever abuse they're given So if you have a manipulative mother, you're going to grow up to be weak towards female manipulation if you have A parent hitting you you're going to grow up to be Um overly accepting of physical violence against you You're going to tolerate it more than you should because you've been cultured to tolerate it And there are you know, I do hit my son. We go to box his boxing club and we put on boxing gloves And we hit each other. We don't hurt each other and it is under control and he's happy about it We play fight games and wrestle games. We have uh foam swords and we beat each other with those and It's you can still teach your son to be strong and tough and masculine and he can still Learn how to be a man without beating him, you know That is not part of what it is to be a man is to Willingly accept beatings. That's that's not part of masculinity. I agree that that's your I agree a thousand percent in addition to that I would say that uh, you know parental abuse against the child is particularly toxic and dangerous, uh, I believe the cause of brain trauma And there's studies on this and look into this and things like that one of the books is for example, the body keeps a score Uh, I forget Bessel Vendor Coke. I think it's his name. He's an md a psychiatrist in the United States That book came out 2015 amazon the body keeps a score excellent book as well on these subjects Well, one of the biggest issues that alice miller brought up and that I've read about elsewhere is that Your parents are your creators Whatever you believe about nature and god and all this stuff, you know, the end of the day your parents met They fucked and they made you Uh, that's how that happened a hundred percent of the time at least for now before we get gattaca shit going in Right, you know artificial wombs So they created you physically They then you know at some point probably raised you unless they split up and you're in foster care and stuff Anyway, they created you and it is their job ultimately to protect you or unless they failed in that process, right? But it's still they're responsibility their job For your ultimate creator or not maybe your ultimate, but you're definite immediate creator and your ultimate protector For them to then turn around and physically be a source of danger to you It's supposed to be your source of protection primary and like, you know top physical protector in life To then also be a source of very serious danger to you is like a schism is like a fucking wedge in your mind And little kids don't have the ability to understand this trauma, you know People you know men go to war and come out with you know PTSD and stuff That's serious. That's a big thing in itself, but that's happening in adulthood When this happens to children their brains are still forming rapidly like sponges we call them I mean, this is a really really divisive. This is I think you know leads to things like Borderline personality disorder bipolar disorder schizophrenia all kinds of shit Yeah, I wouldn't it you're it's it's such a divide For them to get that kind of input protection and then physical danger beat the shit out of you like it's fucking stupid Yeah, it actually produces a rush of cortisol and the idea of the cortisol is to block learning block A memory so that you don't remember the trauma But what ends up happening if it happens enough that's that helps you with a trauma or two If it happens often enough then every time we're stressed our body releases a successive amount of cortisol And we we blank out we disassociate And I've had clients like that getting them out of that disassociating loop to the point where They can't do normal things that a person would take for granted like You know going to search for a job online when they go to do that It triggers that cortisol release and they they freeze up even though nothing in there is that hard it's clicking and typing and It's because the cortisol Response is over attenuated to the point where they're they're no longer functioning as an adult And it can take decades for people to bring that down to a normal level Meanwhile, they often end up raising their own kids And the moment that they end up in a confrontation with their children their brain shuts off and they work completely on the instinct their parent Train them to do and they do what their parent did and so it goes generation to generation And the real the way to get out of that, you know, this is Showing your agency is doing what you're doing do the research find out how this works Look into what it what makes good parenting what What went wrong in my own childhood and start to unprogram ourselves from the things we've learned and I you brought up something very important Is not parenting unthinkingly Yeah That's a huge thing and I think it's worse right now due to social media and phones because a lot of parents throw their phone all the time And they're not reacting to their children. I mean the kids A lot of ways so they can get back on the phone again It's both of them the kids on a tablet or phone at an incredibly young age and then the parents on a phone too Charge, you know woman charge my phone. I charge my phone. That's all they do not charge my phone Yeah, it's the whole I mean everything in the world right now in a lot of ways It's going to hell and hand basket in terms of culture masculinity femininity politics obviously like you know economics It's like holy fuck And everything's kind of burning down. We'll see how it all goes but Yeah, it's pretty bad all this chaos is creating an opportunity as well When we've seen this in the last year with it went from something like five to ten percent of american parents We're interested in homeschooling and now it's about a third Yeah That's the biggest leap in people who want to do homeschooling since Since government schools became a thing in the u.s. And uh this once you get that number of people doing it Pretty soon everyone knows someone who was homeschooled And that's when things in society really spread is when you know someone that's done it You know someone I mean I I decided when I was uh 14 not to go back to school anymore You know, I said this this isn't working for me I'm not learning anything and I just spent the about two weeks during the summer with friends of mine who were homeschooled And I'm like, oh that that's a thing I went back and told my parents i'm not doing it anymore Here's homeschool my friends photocopied for me a couple of pages showing the laws that said I could do it and You know my parents went along with what I said because basically I'm just not going to show up you can send me to school I'll get on the bus, but I'm not going in school And so I let better that we work together than work apart and I essentially homeschooled myself Well, it was a much better experience that I was getting in school. I learned more I started a business was actually the first thing I did is went out and started a business I thought I'm going to learn more by doing that. I'm going to learn by reading books and and sitting down and You know getting someone to talk to me And I learned a tremendous amount right running a business about people about managing people about getting employees about You know how people interact with each other things Which you don't really learn in school because it's such an artificial environment And it really shaped the person that I am today. I essentially had to start coaching my Employees because if you start if you're a kid and you start a business the only kind of people that will work for you Are people that are desperate for work and they're usually desperate for work because they're not very good workers and so I had to figure out how to make money With very poor quality workers on a you know on a business didn't have big margins and It was super stressful, but I loved it because I was in control. I had power for what I was doing And part of the problem with the public education system is kids get no power over what they're doing They come home. The parents never let them have any independence They have no real power or they're completely abandoned, which is a form also of Not having independence because you're you're completely abandoned on your own You don't have the security that you need to explore your independence And so it's it's really a difficult thing for a lot of kids They end up graduating from college in their mid 20s Something you know after after taking seven or eight years to finish a five-year degree They've never had a job. They've never had independence. They've never done anything on their own And then we wonder why we have a society of people that need safe spaces And need to have you know warnings before movies because they can't handle the content of the film like an adult Well, that's a really good point When they they can't handle the content they get triggered right the trigger warnings and all this shit truth Truth warnings really but what I wanted to back up on This reminds me of it to back a step up on this You mentioned, you know healing from these things and reading and you know acquiring knowledge and we talk, you know With forgiveness and all the trial to trauma One of the things I got from Alice Miller I don't think she ever said it maybe but one of my interpretations of her work as a psychologist as an author as that feeling is healing And in a lot of ways if not almost every way this is These are the lingering effects of trauma of CPTSD of childhood trauma Of disassociation like you mentioned that's a that's a big symptom of it These are all you know anxiety in the man's sphere. This is huge all these guys are just avoiding All these beta behaviors, you know, happy wife, happy life Well, let me check with the boss. Let me check with the wife all this shit, right Whatever the configurations of it are these are all and Sean Smith Dr. Sean Smith is talking about this recently on twitter is all basically ways to avoid feelings feelings of anxiety Dissociation is a complete avoidance of feeling at all the numbness, you know feeling Avoiding all these feelings, right anything So if you want to heal you have to feel at the end of the day And you know all the knowledge in the world all the books in the world even all the coaching in the world It's going to mean jack shit. If you can't at the end of the day emotionally integrate Uh, you know what you're what you're learning not just intellectually know what to do But you can feel what to do and you can feel through you can process feelings You can relieve your emotional constipation Which is what disassociation is which is what childhood trauma in some ways functions as You can't feel things Richard granon our good buddy from you know, we met in poland at the convention He talks about having an emotional Well, he has a kind of a color wheel of emotions. It's pretty cool He promotes but uh being emotionally Literate is what he says emotionally literate And when you have a lot of childhood trauma when you've been abused and you have had ship parents, which a lot of people do This is what happens. You're emotionally illiterate. So you disassociate you run away from feelings of anxiety or confrontation Like with the wife or a girlfriend who's like Putting her foot down and you're just too much of a pussy to fucking put your foot down like no, bitch Do what you're told So they wrote, you know, happy wife happy life. Well, let me check with the boss So let me go get my balls for my wife for five minutes like all this fucking shit Let me talk to the better my better half. Oh, wow God Oh, it's my anniversary. I'm so lucky to be with her. Oh my god Oh, she puts up with a piece of shit like me You see this shit. George Bruno is great at posting about this. He sees us on facebook and stuff all day It's his fans sent it to him off youtube and stuff. It's fucking disgusting But it's I always think these guys are actually appeasing their mother Oh, yeah It has nothing to do with their wife because I guarantee you their wives hate them doing this. Oh, yeah It's it's like it dries up a woman to talk like that She wants to think that she literally couldn't do any better than you it'd be impossible Because she's hit the maximum for her hypergamy in you and that's what gets her turned on not that, you know You're some groveling animal beneath her That doesn't turn women on and They're they're really they're talking to their childhood trauma. You're absolutely right in that and it's um There is a huge fear of confrontation in people today that I don't remember seeing when I was a kid I remember when I was a kid Men being super confrontational Like I remember men in the church men everywhere being way more confrontational than today I remember I'm 42 turned 42 a couple of days ago and I remember Kids being super confrontational You know my son's like that and he's out making confrontations with people Friendly like he's not starting fights with them, but in games He's aggressive with the other kids a bit and he will he will push himself around a bit He wants them to push back because that's part of the fun of it And he likes to hang out with the rushing kids because their culture is still very much like that And so they they will push back and they will they'll give him as good as they get And he really enjoys that But it is in general we've we've had this We have this culture that will not confront you directly face to face head on Because they're afraid Well, we were talking about forgiveness as well, you know throughout this episode You mentioned I've been talking about that on twitter this year and as well as recently kind of gets back on my mind But forgiveness, uh, the way that the woke the forgiveness police. I call them the woke sirs forgive forgive woke sirs What they're doing is it's an avoidance of confrontation It's uh, hey, you wronged me. You were abusive or you had a major Fault with me in some way and rather than confront that issue and hold you accountable I'm going to avoid it and just give you this fake Forced forgiveness Rather than saying hey, you fucked up. You haven't apologized or sought redemption. I don't forgive you your piece of shit and goodbye That's a cutting of a thread. That's a cutting of rapport breaking a rapport that requires emotional and even physical You know face-to-face confrontation And people don't have the balls to do that because they've been conditioned out of that They've been either, you know, the tail end of a intergenerational trauma that's been going on for Decades or hundreds of years And they just don't they've been conditioned to not do it the whole society Encourages is fake forgiveness is forced forgiveness auto forgiveness and it's stupid It's an it's an avoidance of your own emotions and your own truth and your experience of life Like now this person fucked up and there's no need to forgive them and I hold them accountable And they're dead to me or whatever whatever your solution whatever your Decision is on how to respond to the to the action or to the Confrontation almost every good thing that we get in life comes out of a confrontation You know we go out our ancestors would go out and confront nature and come back with a nice animal for the family to eat You know, we would confront nature and chop a forest down so we could set up a field and grow some some food It's all about confrontation. We confront each other and ideally this is part of the problem with the forgiveness culture is people Won't confront And won't confront until the relationship is unrepairable very often if like i'm very early to confront So I want to confront people before the relationship is unrepairable Yeah, if that's possible, you know, if they're not truly antagonistic, maybe they're just Stupid I want to confront them really early on Very often that means that the relationship is repairable. That means things can get fixed If you have a group of men a fraternity of men And and they're really masculine men. They're constantly confronting each other disagreeing I mean generally men should be fairly disagreeable and we're disagreeing with each other We're confronting and nobody in the group is saying, oh man, if I make this confrontation I'm out of the group and and he's not going to like me anymore and you know We're being too worried about being liked Is a huge problem today everyone wants to be liked Yeah, this is hitting the nail on the head and this is true even within the manisphere We can call it the paradox of the manisphere You have a whole community of men that in many ways are genuinely focused on red pill truths We'll call them in masculinity common sense masculinity old school masculinity, whatever you want to call it There's a there's a desire for genuine Common sense femininity and women And you know, you know gender roles and things like this, right that makes sense to gender system to two sexes of the human race that is actually a demographic species But even in the manisphere, uh, there have been various fights throughout the years And I've had some of my own, you know, pretty pretty high-profile stuff And basically what I'm getting at here the paradox of the manisphere is that It has always been filled with betas massive amount of betas Uh recovering betas, you know, all the stuff we would even call it But there's a revolving door. So a lot of them don't even don't even heal themselves and become Much more masculine much more alpha we'll call it They just stay a beta and then either they stay a beta indefinitely or they just leave and stay a beta on their own outside of the Manisphere The issue is then whenever the there's a real fight in the manisphere in some way between Different leaders and stuff all the betas can't handle it because they're all Conferring uh confrontation avoiding pussies. They're all a bunch of beta males that hate Confrontation they hate the feeling the tension that that comes with that They can't stand it and then make up all these excuses for why this can't happen. Blah blah blah blah And there is Yeah, exactly exactly they can't stand they really can't stand it And it's because it's because they have their maybe low testosterone, but just low masculinity Men who are much more dominant and confrontational, you know confrontations are normal for them They don't mind these things maybe even look forward to them. Look at someone like donald trump Donald trump loves fighting and winning and battle and conflict. He loves these lifts for this shit He provoked intentionally. Yeah, exactly That doesn't mean you have to necessarily in your own life follow the exact same strategy But in general men who are more masculine, they don't mind confrontation Maybe they like it. Maybe they're okay with it Maybe somewhere there's a spectrum of how to deal with this in a healthy way. Not everyone's gonna be the exact same You know process at the exact same way But it's the avoidance of confrontation that is really pathetic In men in particular women I get it women are not physically suited for combat Their whole lifestyle for a couple hundred thousand years has been more or less Avoiding confrontation and dealings of dealing with things in covert Indirect ways, but men are much more direct and we need to be direct and it's healthy for us to be direct And confrontational when it's appropriate, which is a lot of the fucking time We're a social species. There's now billions of us. We're going to get in fights and do shit On a personal one-to-one level as well as nations and you know all the way in between Yeah, my best friend in grade school As a british kid gets gets in the class the very first day. Oh, here's a new kid. He's come from england blah blah blah I walk up to him. I don't remember what we said to each other But we were fighting within five seconds after the teacher stopped talking and like really beating the crap out of each other Neither of us would give up and they actually had to get some of the male teachers from another class to drag us apart We go down to the principal's office. We get sat down on either side Um waiting for the principal before the principal had time to come out and talk to us We'd made up and we were best friends and I was I remember saying I respect you because you're you're a bit smaller than me and you wouldn't give up in the fight Yeah Like you you wouldn't back down and I respected his willingness to confront me and to not back down And I think with men I mean How do you really know the measure of a man unless you've been in a confrontation either with him Like against him or with him against other people Yeah, you can't really measure a man until you've seen him confront people Yep, I agree. Yeah, it's a good test man. It's a it's a real physical test in real life That's where you know, we talked about the convention and stuff and physical thing was earlier on in the podcast here And it's the same thing, you know, it's talk talk talk talk talk But what does that mean until there's action behind it act an unverbal action over words, you know I think I And I think for a lot of young people And a lot of men that I haven't been very active they're looking for a place to start Where do I start and the where where I'd say to start is to start learning about confrontation Start learning how to confront people in your life that are irritating you listen to that feeling If someone's irritating you don't ignore it deal with it deal with them You know, I'd say also get out with other men And if you don't have any men in your area or you don't know how to go out and connect with other men You know come to an event like one of the 21 convention events You're going to go away from that with a load of energy It's it's one of the most positive experiences I ever had in my life And I was about one of the small ones, you know that in europe here It's a little bit smaller You're the one of the american ones there in florida and it is You come out of that with the emotional energy. You feel you could do anything I see the comments from the guys the speakers on some of our shared chats and they're super energetic They're hyper they go out there like this is going to be the best time ever and they're out doing whatever it is And they're like at a much higher level. These are men who are already successful. That's right You go there and you're just trying to figure out life and this is going to be your jump start This is going to be your highlight of your year And yeah, this is absolutely what men should be doing pick something get started get working on it And take actions the more actions you take the easier it is to take another action Yeah, I appreciate the the con words and the positive comments, man That is 21 con that is 21 summit It's a very real physical thing that really amps everyone up this year more than ever. We saw that Even like weeks and months later now guys the speakers and some of the attendees have been talking about it How much it amped them up this year And i'm not surprised that's that's what we're all about. That's what we've always been doing and that's why I've always resisted and and Been disgusted with you know virtual summits and digital summits and all this fucking fake bullshit Uh, you know, you even see this more positively and healthy political movements like maga Look at trump what you know the rallies that trump's been hosting for years and years and years especially recently You know, even with covet you think he did digital rallies. No, that's like retarded What did he do? He kept doing physical rallies bigger and bigger and bigger and one of them had like 57 000 people at it in pennsylvania And his opponent biden had like what a thousand people watching a live stream I mean it's getting people to physically go somewhere is a lot more difficult than digital and uh to see but to see that You know him trance that was just awesome But it's a very healthy way to to get together and like you said, you know in the early 1700s or in the 1700s Even the men getting together, you know talking about politics getting in fights and you know hashing stuff out Physical is where it's at man. That's why the it's why the 21 convention No matter how much I piss people off and rub them the wrong way or the right way. They love what I do The convention itself is a really serious long-term major respect because it's so physical and so well done and so professional And it's hard. It's hard to do even when people don't like it and will make up excuses And try to criticize it and all this fake bullshit It's still they know And everyone knows deep down behind behind the veneer behind the the narcissistic mask the fake bullshit That it's hard to put on a conference. It's hard to gather people from around the world and around the country to fly them all in You know 95 percent of our attendees that show up for example in speakers. They don't live in florida. They have to fly in Are the countries of the states, you know, it's a behold It's a huge logistical thing where they take You know three four five six days out of their life to come be at the conference And take time out of work and family life and whatever else is going on and get the money together for hotel And a flight and the ticket and all these things it's a major uh Logistical event to put something together like that versus a fucking zoom call Yeah, I think I think that difficulty that barrier to entry where you have to physically show up Filters this is why it's so positive is that you're not going to go there to wine You're not going to put you know Going to buy a plane ticket and the ticket to attend and food and just to whine and complain What do you have an online event and all you have to do is click on a button and it opens up the screen And now i'm going to look at an online event It's easy then to be negative because you don't have anything invested in it It's it's easy to undermine a thing that you haven't put anything into and that is A big part of the reason why it's super important that we get together because it changes our entire nature We start becoming more positive as people This has been a long-term criticism in the manuscript is that there's a lot of negativity And it's true because when you take the red pill you notice a whole bunch of things in the world aren't right You start to say hey, this isn't right feminism is not just bad for men. It's bad for women. It's killing everybody It's bad terrible for children. You know, you notice you even start noticing political problems in the world because it's all connected That can turn into a black pill real easy. You can get going to nihilism and depression and permanent anger Um, and then i'm productive anger I'm getting together in person is the antidote to that That is the antidote to it because you get together in person. You're you're beginning to solve a problem problems for men Are opportunities to demonstrate how good we are at solving problems Yeah, that's why women give us little problems They give us little problems to solve to say hey, is he any good at solving problems? Let me give him this little problem And they generally stop doing that if we if they recognize pretty quickly that we can solve problems They don't need to do that for us if they see us out in the world solving problems You know, this is why they don't they don't shit test you if you're out demonstrating your ability in the world But the world doesn't shit test you the world is shit testing men not just women life shit tests you And the more that we get together Physically and start solving problems and talk to each other and you know There are businesses that started because men got together at a 21 convention And they said hey, yeah, I'm I'm a positive guy. I've got this problem and someone else is yeah I've got a solution for that and someone says I can sell it for you and they get together and they're starting businesses. They're starting They're they're not there to complain. They're they're right books together, man I mean books businesses friendships that have span years and even over a decade now I mean it really is uh people hear you, you know, you're a speaker and they hear you talk up the event and You know, they may think you're exaggerating or something. You're not it really is that positive And that powerful and I really can't explain how good it was There is rich for it You have to actually show up if I could explain how good it was Then you wouldn't need to show up because you could just listen to what I said and enjoy that But you actually have to show up to know what it's like And I think one of the reasons for that is it's there's so much there's so much physical communication when you're in person That's not there when you're here digital even here where we have face-to-face visuals on each other It's a lot different than if you were here next to me and I could read your entire body language Your facial expressions live not delayed by a couple seconds or whatever Audio was coming, you know right into my ears from your you know out of your mouth like that There's so much more it's so much better in person communicating And that's also a public speech is a powerful someone isn't talking to even might be speakers around you But mostly you're hearing their voice directly out of their fucking mouth. You're watching them. Are they sweating? How are they behaving? How fast are they moving? How is their body language? How is their posture? How are they breathing? There's so much information that your brain is picking up that you're not even explicitly aware of necessarily as you were like grilled and asked on it You're just kind of watching someone, you know Be a man up on stage or in a hallway conversation And there's a lot that goes behind that and that's why things get, you know Businesses get started to you know from the convention didn't get started from a digital summit No one goes to a fucking, you know E-Summit on for some internet marketing bullshit or even a monastery thing whatever And like oh man, I saw you in the chat. Let's start a fucking business like this doesn't happen Like let's write a book together, man Let's uh, you know start this this meet-up group for men in this city Like it doesn't fucking work like that It happens in person though, you know a thousand times more often This is because I think that you know just because of the way we're built. We're physical beings in the physical universe Uh, this is just how we operate. Human beings are social beings. We need to be together And there's other, you know, you can look up science and research on this and stuff But has a lot to do with how your brain operates too That's why internet communications is so can be so extremely savage and even autistic Because uh, you're not even using parts of your brain to communicate with other people You know, you're just reading something on the internet and you're just like vomiting out response Which can be fun, but it can also go to really, you know retarded extremes You can't read it so nasty You can't see how far you can push it and there's literally no pushback the worst that someone can just block you You're not going to get punched in the face. Yeah That needs to be And this is why women will say absolutely crazy things in public to men And and do crazy things friend of mine Out yet the other day and says this this girl thought someone robbed her Of her of her cellphone breaks a bottle and starts threatening the guy and i'm like They'll do these crazy things because they know they're not gonna get knocked out and I said to him if it was a guy Someone would have knocked him out the moment they saw you coming at them with a bottle, right? And yeah, it's a woman the guy doesn't know what to do. What do I do with a violent woman? Well, there's good videos too Because we have no repercussions. So they behave people behave like women they get Occasionally you do see women learn the hard way, you know what the real world is like and you'll see videos on You know youtube and twitter and stuff Where i've seen i remember one about a year took us on twitter this girl in a crowd She fucking straight up punched some guy And you know a good good clean clock on him He turned around and fucking knocked her ass out cold And she and you could just tell she's just and you see this with arrest too This year has been a lot of women getting arrested by law enforcement They'll be screaming at the cop in his face and then they spit at him and then they're like, yep, you're going to jail And she's like They're just like The cop is not a man. He is a physical representation of the authority of the state So he's gonna arrest you He doesn't care if you're a woman or a man or a dog or what they're just they're just stunned that choices have consequences Like they're so it's it's you know, uh zack small a.k.a. Formerly hunter drew almost called him hunter, but he didn't call them zack Uh, he's he's big on this, you know choices have consequences. He gives speech on it with the exact title of that And the world has become the western world anyway, particularly women these nasty feminist women and stuff feminist explicitly or feminist light whatever They're so detached from their choices having direct consequences That they're just infants their adult they look like adults, but really they're just children and it's really it's a really, uh It's just a pathetic way to live like it's it's sad and it's also just fucked up and retarded without To the problem with men today being afraid of confrontation When men are constantly confronting evil and stupidity and badness in the world We suppress it. We keep it down. Women start to understand that there's consequences for actions Um, you know other men understand that as well. I remember when I was a kid The first day of school my dad would come into school And have a private conversation with the teacher where he'd say If you hurt my kid or touch him or do anything to him I'm going to come and kill you and I'm going to bury you and no one's ever going to find the body And my dad was a guy could have done that if you wanted to as well And so then I didn't have any problems with those teachers because they were He he went in and had a confrontation right away with them at the beginning And so there was no there was no need to confront them later after they'd done You know if they'd smacked me or whatever or done something they shouldn't do Uh because he headed the problem off initially And as men we need to be comfortable with confrontation. We need to head think in the beginning Sometimes the person we're confronting with isn't even the person that learns the lesson It's someone watching that learns ha that kind of behavior is going to get a bad reaction I I said this a little while ago that I don't I on on twitter. Yeah On and on facebook. I have women that are terrible and you know say terrible things But I never find bad women in real life. I never find women who treat me like shit in real life And so Terrible women Well, my wife and then actually it was one of our guys one of the 21 guys said Well, it's probably you The women they that would act like that they meet you and decide i'm not going to act like that Or they meet you and say i'm going to get out of here because I don't want to be around this guy Because I can't act like that around if he won't put up with it. They're straight to this. Yeah Yeah, I think to a large extent the kind of people that we're around is that it is the people we tolerate being around And as men if we're more intolerant of who is around us and we're more careful of that We're going to cultivate a better environment for ourselves. We're going to be we're going to start thinking people are Hey people are great because the un great people we don't tolerate them Yeah, and we look at you We need to do that probably at a large scale. Oh totally Well, we should talk about make women great again for a second or I think Because make women great again is basically an intolerance to shitty nasty women Who like feminist dogma and female supremacism and the features female and toxic masculinity All this really unhealthy garbage that feminists believe in that have they have ingrained into mostly women but also men too Make women great again is the complete intolerance of that crap I mean, that's really what they the bottom line was it wasn't just a it's not just to make women great again It's not just a positive thing for women. It's not just a positive thing for culture It's not just a pushback strongly against all this feminist, you know garbage and Orwellian crap It's also just a basic intolerance for it. I don't you're a nasty woman and I don't have tolerance not only for you But all the women who behave like you I don't have tolerance basically for the behavior pattern That you have ingrained that you believe is normal to act like a to act like you have a personality disorder Like you're you're throwing symptoms every day of the week on instagram Of narcissistic personality disorder. Maybe you don't have it But you're throwing symptoms of it and borderline personality disorder all this crazy shit You know all this unhinged, you know, really childlike behavior temper tantrum 24 7 posting pictures of your ass 24 7 pictures of your boobs 24 7 This is you know become normal for women today in America and in the west and make women great again at at a baseline Almost primal level between men and women is an intolerance for it. It's a big fucking no Your grandma was better and you suck Your grandma was feminine and fit and you're fat and fucking nasty I'm not okay with that And you know, but like what happened when we did this, right? They went fucking nuts We reached like 150 million people with make women great again that campaign Which is a good thing. I mean the fact that it triggered so many people that shows you I think how it the fact that it reached over 100 million people Shows you how fucking unhealthy Gender relations have become in the west how unhealthy women have become And even men to the extent that we see the soy boys and all the related phenomena to that All the male feminists who were almost all rapists and all these things It's all fucking, you know unhealthy garbage and make them great again is a huge pushback against that It's a big no When reaching a hundred million you said a hundred million 150 hundred million people That's enough to start sending a ripple out that changes society and this is not the last time you're gonna do it This is the first one. This is the smallest one He's gonna get bigger from here and to a large extent for younger men. It's giving them permission to This is how you confront women. Yep. This is how you are intolerant of bad behavior And this is how it's gonna change things and you know You I remember seeing you in some of the interviews there where they're trying to rip you alive And you're just like enjoying it and you're you're you're peaceful and you're happy and everything is good And they're they're basically completely unable to get under your skin And that was absolutely perfect that uh stoic calmness In the face of their reen Is what defeats them because they expend a ton of emotional energy trying to get a response from you Yep, you don't expend it and just relaxing and My response is you know, fake news Completely wrong your fake news. Yeah. Yeah fake news No, bit by bit We changed the world by acting in the right way in the world and that sends out ripples And it's it affects very few men have the chance to affect the number of people that you have You know reaching out to hundreds of millions of people Uh having it's how many years have you been doing conferences now? 14 14 years So 14 years doing conferences next year. I'm sure you're gonna have a slate full of them again and this is This is the type of thing that we need if we want to change the world It's good to notice what's wrong in the world It's even better to implement solutions and change things and actually make an action positive action in the world You know, there are people that Even the people that sometimes say, oh, yeah, he's like so over the top or oh, yeah He really irritates me. I noticed though. They still have respect for you and they're still listening to your message They want to They know that that you're confronting something in them that needs to be confronted Yeah, and I'm happy to do it. I mean, it's uh, how my life has just kind of turned out, you know I didn't even start the business, you know, I'm running this conference business for 14 years I didn't start it as a business. It was a hobby. It was supposed to not even be a conference It's supposed to be a meetup group the first under 21 convention Well under 21 meetup is actually what it was called then it became the under 21 convention then later years You know a couple years later became the 21 convention But it was not a business. It was supposed to be like one time meetup became a one time conference And then the attendees were asking me when's the next one. It was an automatic Kind of just a genuine curiosity like when is the next one? I want to go to more of these And I was I was 18 at that point when we had the first one And I was just stunned. I was like, oh next summer same time And I you know now it's history at this point, you know 13 14 years later But yeah, this is what it is man. I've been Very fortunate to be to find myself in this path in life And also, you know a lot of hard work and courage to stick to it It's one thing to enter it kind of incidentally See an opportunity and take the chance But then to stick with it over time is a measure of fortitude and masculinity and courage and heart And it's been hard. I mean any business for a long period of time. It's the most of them fail It's hard almost all of them fail by 10 years But even by five years almost a lot of them fail and then by 10 almost all of them are gone So 14 years it's It's been awesome, man. I don't know how else to live we've been talking about you know agency and you know Leading your own life and having that direction. I don't know how people live any other way I mean, I know that they do. I know that they are obviously finding a way to live this like They survive Yeah Yeah, I just hate that like I don't know I don't know how else to live and I don't care enough to know how else I don't live Other than how I how I do leading my life and being an entrepreneur And that's what I like to do not everyone you know needs to be an entrepreneur necessarily But everyone needs to lead their own life everyone needs to have 100 off a ship and ownership Of their own life and what's going to happen in the future of it and That you You know, you may not be an entrepreneur But you might be working with an entrepreneur that you believe in their mission You believe in the mission company if you go to work every day and say this is absolute shit Like I hate this. I hate the people I work with. I hate the mission of the company That's eating you up. You're selling a bit of your soul every day in exchange for money And eventually you're going to run out of soul to sell You know, so as men we got to look for some mission in life that goes beyond earning bread every day We got to we're going to earn something bigger than that our place in society If you want to meet men like anthony johnson and you should go and look at the comments down at the comments the Notes below this video. There's a link to 21 To 21 studios where it'll talk about whatever's coming up in the future that gets updated as new events are announced Show up to one of the events. It's not just the speeches after the speeches before the speeches and at the lunches People are milling around a lot of the speakers really enjoy talking to people And this is going to change you you attend one of these events You attend an event with this quality this caliber of men That does rub off on you as a man And one of the things I noticed is a man who does have my life together well and is you know knows what masculinity is It was really relaxing to walk into a room With a bunch of other actual men. I didn't feel like I was going to have to lead the group I didn't feel like I was going to have to pull anybody along or or you know Carry somebody. I walked into a room where I'm like, hey, I'm not at the top anymore This is awesome. I like to be in the middle of the pack. That was so awesome And if you are a very successful man, there's even more of a reason to show up And associate with these people get to know the people Who are leading culture mainstream media is not the arbitrator of culture anymore Even social media is disappearing as the arbitrator of culture. I believe that it's going to go more towards personal Individuals who are influencing culture directly through their youtube following perhaps But really through their websites through their direct, you know with 21 University you put the videos directly in there for men to see Uh, I think all the all of the videos from the events go up there first. That's if I'm correct about that Yeah, they go to 21 university first ad free and censorship free In fact, I'm even thinking of creating uh going forward next year not this year for 2020 speeches Is it's already filmed and done But we could try it by the 2021 is where we prep the speakers to do it But basically let the speakers the speakers when you guys speak yours You have free speech 100 i don't censor anything you want to say I in fact, I directly tell you most times and say whatever you want However, be mindful that I have to put it on youtube and I can't control what youtube does I want to let you guys actually just say whatever you want 100 of free speech including stuff that would get kicked off youtube But then maybe we'll edit a red band version That doesn't go on youtube and then well We'll put it on youtube, but it'll literally just be like whenever you say something that's not allowed It looks like blank out And then if I go to 21 university to get the full The full speech, but then it'll continue on youtube if you know what I mean Yeah, so there's weird edits that just block out what you say completely like it Oh, let's go red red band censored censored censored This is the part youtube doesn't want you to see go to 21 university to find out Exactly. Yeah, because I I hate the fact even I I hate seeing speakers amount conference center themselves in any way shape or form And the only time you guys are completely uncensored is in the workshops because we don't film those specifically for the purpose of the attendees getting an even better experience and even more candid experience with the ideas and what the speaker actually fucking thinks And you know on the on the stage I can say say whatever you want But at the end of the day if it gets kicked off youtube it kind of defeats the point of filming it So it's I really want to find ways to enable you guys expression of truth And what you believe to be true about reality in the world even higher. I love free speech. I love the truth I love You know seeing you guys Dish it out in the best way that you know how even if I disagree usually I agree with you That's our speaking the but even ways I don't like I don't care I want to see what you think and I want the world to know what you think And it annoys me to know in that youtube and google and the internet in general Or in any way hostile to this It just pisses me off and I fucking hate it I do think that the more that they crack down with censorship That will drive more and more people to alternative places to see the videos like 21st 21 university or to bit shoot or other places And I think it's actually good. They're they're going to break their own monopoly By acting like tyrants and that's how it always goes tyrants break their own control because they lose the They lose the the the support of the viewers. They lose the support of the people They lose that legitimacy that they have when they allow speech to be free when they allow the truth to be told We're seeing that in government. We're seeing that in social media. We we've already I mean Who still believes what they see on cnn? You know, nobody believes it some sheep doom and there's some sheep I mean some people are some people are basically willing slaves Like they really they embrace that that kind of life Yeah, I mean look at all the look at the people who voted for there's plenty of people who voted for joe biden Not just the dead ones and stuff and on all that People actually, you know went out and took time out of their lives and affirmatively voted for this guy Maybe because they hate a trump or you know, whatever But I mean look look at look at what joe biden said about black people, you know, if you don't vote for me you ain't black Yeah, and how many millions of black people voted for joe biden That is the most disrespectful fucking thing imaginable that you could say to black voters who had or you know, that racial That racial ethnicity and origin It's they should have either voted for trump or a third party or not voted That joe biden should have been completely off the table for basically all of them Except the ones who are masochistic and wanted to vote for someone who actually hated them and thought less of them For the way that they were born. This is disgusting had had mit romney has said in 2012 If you don't vote for me, you ain't white I would have I didn't vote for mit romney or rock obama But I would have voted for obama just to spite him because that's so fucking disgusting You think you owe me because you think you owe me because you the same you look the same as me. Fuck you The fact that black americans actually went out and voted for biden is beyond disgusting like it's it's really it's It's shameful. They either they were ignorant of him saying that you know Because the media covered it up or they just didn't give a fuck and they just lack self-respect. It's fucked up to the nines Well, they've they've been undermining the agency of the black community Since pre-world war one. They've been you know with the social programs attempting to get them So addicted to big government that they can't survive without it And you'll see that most black people live in big cities where there's easy access to big government Because they've done a great job of undermining their agency. That's why they destroyed the black family was I make my comments in in context of that too. Like i'm not ignorant of that same thing with feminism feminism has Feminism hates black people more than uh any other group. I think they they've killed millions of black babies like conya was just tweeting about Uh, they they've you know, encouraged single motherhood in the black american community to an extreme 70 percent now of like, uh, you know Children are born out of wedlock and single mothers in the black community It's it's sky high in the white and in hispanic communities too at 40 percent Uh about each 39 40 percent, but the blacks are at 70 and that's that's that's a result of feminism It's not just big government. It's not just these globalist communists and shit It's really this like great a homogenized ultra-pasturized feminism And they've gone after the blacks heart more hardcore than any other race And those results are devastating Still, you know, no no black man or woman today should have voted for joe biden I think because he because specifically because he thought he owned them and he insulted them publicly On a on a podcast with a black man, too. I mean, holy shit That was a prize. He didn't get called out immediately. You could see a bit of discomfort in the face of the interview But as a bright call them out on it But the the mainstream media has been ordered not to call them out on their stuff I'm not I can understand people not realizing how biden was involved in a lot of the Legal the laws that were developed that ended up being responsible for greatly increasing the number of black people in prison And stuff like that and some very racist comments from like 30 years ago I can understand people not knowing about that But what you're talking about is only from a few weeks back basically Yeah from a few weeks before the election and it uh, it's you know It was out there. It was on social media I don't know who was on the news besides the original interview But this is a imagine trump saying if you ain't if if you know vote for me, you ain't white I mean, holy shit there. He would have never heard the he would have That would have been just a nuclear bomb going off in the media And with with good cause though like that's just fucking stupid And see I've seen biden say it in reverse is just yeah despicable Well, it gives us an indication of what work we need to do as men We need to help men and I always say Male agency will save the west because men have to take the lead in this It is to a large extent our responsibility to set the boundaries of what's acceptable in society For our communities for our people for our That we interact with and for the the people we do business with we have to set the boundaries And as we do that everyone around us like a ripple effect starts to change how they behave And that is really the way to change the world But you can't do that if you don't have agency And if you're not if you're complaining a lot not getting anything done That's because you're lacking in agency So I can help you follow this podcast subscribe Go down to the links that are below take a look at my website I have more information on the website about how to develop agency and I've written a book recently How to reprogram your life and develop your pathway to agency So teaching you how to get rid of all those little buttons that you've been Programmed with either from your parents or from school Or from the social media and social interactions you've had that allow people to manipulate you and undermine your agency I can't Yeah, man, is the book on amazon can I order it there? I know the book is only available right now through my website and the reason for that is Is that it is actually You you literally take your mind apart and then put it back together again And I'm I'm a little hesitant to let it out to everybody that wants to buy the book And because I had some of the beta testers take their mind apart and not be able to put it back together without some help So I know that sounds weird But this is why we're doing it with a course right now So that we walk you through the steps and once we figure out a way to make it more automated then we'll be selling it on directly on on amazon So thank you Yeah, man. I appreciate the opportunity to come on and I look forward to seeing you again at 21 convention next year in 2021 absolutely Please like and subscribe like this video and subscribe to the channel and We're looking forward to having a lot more videos on On this channel for the high agency podcast. Thank you everyone. Goodbye