 Welcome to Toffy TV and it's the final word, joined by John Blaine, Liverpool one, Toffy lad. Toffy TV lad, apparently. Toffy TV lad. Toffy TV lad, picked out at the match yesterday. Oh, when I parked the car, yeah. There you go. The last good thing I did was to find a parking space. Sorry, the last good thing that happened was to find a parking space. Was to find a parking space and then it all went horribly wrong. FA Cup, third round. We are out again for the second time in three years. Don't thought by Liverpool at the third round. No, 24th time in 25 years. If you want to talk about it like that. Really? With no Cup wins on field ever. Not even when we played there. We might have won then, I don't know. But no, we've certainly haven't beaten Liverpool to defeat some four draws we've had before yesterday. We've already lost John, he's gone. John's gone, business is gone. John fan out when the accounts are coming out. Oh, leave that for another video. Obviously the team, the big thing was the team. Now listen before we start, horrendous, horrendous day. No, no, let's just get it open and gambit it. No, no, horrendous and I think it showed every shortfall that Evan have and the gap between both football clubs at the moment. In the long term it could be the best thing that ever happened. It doesn't quite feel like that right now. Not be, it gives a true impression or picture for the manager to go forward with. But it highlighted everything that's wrong with Evan and football club at the moment. The players, but not only the players, the youth set up. Liverpool had a load of kids, energised, dying to run through brick walls for their manager. Oh, no, and the shape and the style. And I just wonder, imagine if we brought five of our under-23s up, what would happen with them? They'd be absolutely destroyed. They wouldn't have a clue what the identity is of the football club because nobody knows what the identity is. And of course those things are built up over time, I appreciate all that. But that just shows the glaring differences between the two football clubs and why we are on completely two different planes of existence at the moment. And this has got to be the watershed for something to happen. It really has to be because so many plays yesterday were found out. Well, not found out, we already knew. But that should be the last time those plays ever should be allowed to affect our emotions. Never mind performance. Which plays are they? Sigarton, Snidlin, Wolcott. As I've said before, anyone that was bought by Welsh for me would leave the club. It's certainly anyone. Pickford? Pickford, I've had it with Pickford. I've had it and I've got my own reasons, but I've had it with him. I think he's the only one. Team game, isn't it? Yeah, but it is a team game. I know it's a team game. But it also comes down to individuals, individual attitudes. And that's something that I just can't have with some of our players. Some are like Pickford and I know we'll come more about them. I think there's room to grow. Others, there isn't. People like Sigarton and Snidlin, they've come to the end of their road. And the quicker we can move them on, the better. That's a lot easier said than done. I appreciate that. But certainly those two players, they should just be a way of finding just how we can get rid of that. Nobody, unless you're going to correct me. Nobody, but nobody, I go to the game with things. Snidlin and Sigarton should be in the same team at the same time. Forget whether they should be at the club or not, we can talk about that in a minute. But they should never start together because they're immobile, they don't have legs, they're not flexible adaptive, all that good stuff. Everything those kids were in red shirts, they are not. So we ended up with the two least favoured midfield players outnumbered by kids with energy commitment and a fair amount of talent as well, making them look like fools. Sigarton didn't want to play from five minutes on. Let's not forget, we could have been 2-3-0 up at half time and he would still have been a complete and also wasted time. He's been a waste of time for a while and we're on the third manager who's picked him. I mean, when Duncan had his first game against Chelsea, nine of yesterday's teams started that game. They were like chalk and cheese. So your point is valid that some of those players, it's great for the manager. Carlo must be in shock, real shock because they're so bad yesterday. He must be thinking, what the bleep bleep. I've got this book, as you said so. He talks about quiet leadership. They've done really well to be quiet yesterday. He really will. But we also know it can turn reasonably quickly because Duncan did it. Some of those players, we need to try and get inside the psyche of why they can do it at home against Chelsea who were on a crest at the time or they'd had one or two results and have gone back to being effective as well. But Sigurdtson proved he can close people down. So we chose not to yesterday. That's the difference. It's that one. You can't be a professional football or professional anything and turn it on and off when you feel like it. I was watching Sigurdtson yesterday from the Anni Road for a while and he was more interested in telling people who to give the ball to and we're not stupid. They should watch things like this. They should put this on in the dressing room and say, watch that. That's what fans think. And Guilfee, you waving around pointing at people, what you're really saying is you don't want the ball. You don't want it. Give it to anyone but me. Anyone but me. Him and Snideland have a very unique way of looking busy in football matches without actually affecting them. Sigurdtson starts probably look great. He probably runs 10K but none of it's productive. Sigurdtson? No, he's started rubbish. He's gone rubbish now. Up to this season, John, I liked Sigurdtson but the minute we got rid of Garnir, what we effectively did was we took his legs away. Tom Davies has been running to the ground trying to beat the legs for him. And yes, you know, going back to the entire game. This is the opening, isn't it? Well, we're in now. Before we go straight in. Before we go straight in. That wasn't a run. When that team come on, we spoke on Twitter. You were speaking on it before the game saying, we've got to beat this team. Does that really, really old stadium called Anfield has Wi-Fi? You can't do it good this season. And yet, when I seen the team, I was just filled with dread. Soon as I saw it, yeah. Because I just looked and went, like, okay. What club's done? And I said this in my aftermath thing. I thought it was quite clever. He heaped the pressure on everything. He went, I'm picking lad to run. He said this to be fair to him. A lot of people were questioning whether it was a bit of mind games on Friday. He had that team leaked. He had that team leaked. He also, he said on Friday in his press conference, the players I'm picking are the ones you can actually run a round for 90 minutes for this game. Because a lot of my players need a rest. He didn't make anything about it. He went, Paul was talking to Paul before from the red men. He was saying, that's what he said. We'll do the physical thing first and see how good we are technically. We'll be athletes and then we'll be footballers. And yet, we picked the team. You just said with our slowest, most on mobile midfield partnership that we could have picked. He put James Coleman in. As good as he's been, can't get up and down anymore quite simply. He wants to go back every time he gets the ball. It doesn't help us. Which made Sid a be redundant for the head of him. He didn't play well at all, but he was just not in the game. The whole make-up of it was fit, lad to run around and wanted a proof of point against the team. To me, that looked terrified of getting beat by these kids. That's how I like it. I think that's going back to what I originally said about the whole culture of the two clubs. I think that's quite an interesting thing, because Klopp played kids that he knows. He's known for a while and he knows he can trust some of them alongside some good senior pros. I honestly thought Auregi was the best player on the pitch yesterday. I just thought he was dead intelligent the way he played. I just thought he kept that centre-back occupied and allowed those kids around. I just thought he was really intelligent the way he played. Live at the ground, he played the role of a senior player. That's what I'm saying. I thought he was really intelligent. He didn't do much as a striker, but he played the role of the senior player. He was always there for the youngsters. Give and go and all that. My point being is, this is what I'm saying. Milno would have done it further back had he stayed out. He picked a clever team. He just had these little sprinklers. The average age wasn't that much different from ours. Was it 26-24? 26-24. My point being is, that's the whole point. Carl and Salotti has come in. What you've just said there about picking teams, that's exactly what Carl and Salotti did in the first two games. Especially Newcastle. It was fitness over anything else. He's only got 15 players. He hasn't got a clue who our young players are. He hasn't had a chance to watch anything about them. Can't risk any of them. That's the difference again. I don't want the bigger picture of clubs over the last four years. They installed the manager, put all their confidence into him. Give them all the resources. Allow them to control everything with the help of a director of football. He has watched, mentored, coached all his young players through. To play the same way. To have all the same identity as his first team. You look at us. We're trying to rotate these same 15 players over four games in 12 days or whatever it is. I have no concept who our young players are. That just shows you how they are. What I would say is that they couldn't have done this four years ago. They couldn't have played there with the Bampston. It's the half full version now. What I'm saying is that I'm hoping where Pete's talking and he's absolutely right about how they've created this identity with a good manager. Let's not forget that they've now got a top-class manager. They've got a top-class manager. They've got a top-class manager. They've got a top-class manager. Let's not forget that they've now got a top-class manager. That was me being nice, by the way. That was me being nice. He's 11 days in. It's two weeks today, isn't it? We were at the press conference a fortnight ago, so he's been in the job two weeks. We played four games in that. We had four games in 11 days. That's the nice version. That he's on this journey and hopefully we're going to start putting this thread through the club that in three or four years. And I know we don't want to hear it because in a few years' time we'll be able to do similar. But that process should have started today. It should have started with myself. Before we get into the game, let's actually... Three-window, or this is the third window. Let's have a look at Marcel Vans. Because I've backed him and said he could be the most important man at the club and he could be this and he could be that. Ped was critical on the August transfer window date that when the windows shut, he was disappointed with the no centre back, which I think we've all looked at. And actually having another centre back would have enabled us to play someone who's been our best centre midfiel player over the last six weeks, which was Mason Holgate, who should have been in there yesterday with me and Gladys. Now, it's easy in hindsight and I think if the team would have come out and it would have said Michael Keane and Yeri Mina, people would have been going. But actually it might have worked playing Michael Keane yesterday because Mason would have been in. In the middle to compete. But back to Marcel Vans. In the summer when Ghana went and this... Everton have got a history of doing this because we don't have a lot of Lou Lou Carchan. We knew he was going in February. We all knew Ghana was probably going in the summer once PSG thing did not happen in January. And the way he played only accelerated that process that he was fantastic after that move. And I think whatever... It's one-on-one stuff and we're not doing it. Exactly. Whatever it should have been doing then is looking and going right. If we lose this fellow with legs in the summer, I have to get someone in who can get about the pitch. No, rubbish. Complete rubbish. No. Complete accurate. Are you being dingy here? Cos you pick a player, right? No, I'm going to let me finish because what I would have done is every player we've got can be sold like that. No, but you have to have a life for life. It's on Ghana in midfield. Our team under Marco Silva towards the end. I don't think they built the team. No, but it was he became an essential component. He was important in that team. The ffulcrum of the team. He was, and it's proved it this year. So he's going. You have to have someone who can similarly do his job. It's his move on on a pitch. Now, he got gobaman, but he bought gobaman eight days before the season started. So Ghana was going in February. We knew that. For me, Everton should have bought two central midfield players. The 101 stuff, which I'm talking about. If you do it in business terms, it's succession planning. So we should have a succession plan. Whatever the manager determines is best starting 11 and the two or three players who sit amongst the seven who are going to get a game typically. Going back to what he said, that's your 14 or 15 players who are the core of the squad. The other 10 are there for development and a goalkeeper you hope you never use. But every single player must have a valuation. So let's say the club value pick with a 50 million quid. And somebody in January offers 75 million for him. We should be in a position to say, yes, thank you very much. I'll have that. Because we've already got his successor bedded into the thing. So we use the goal as a for instance, and let's say Lossal, I've never seen play, so I don't know. Not again the 18 anymore. But let's say he was the nominated successor. In business terms, you have near time and long term successors because if you're talking a business, if I suddenly resign and walk out the door which I can do if I'm working for somebody then I've got to have someone I can put in straight away or someone's got to replace me straight away. But if we succeed somebody because you've just started to say with Sigitsyn and the Schneidlins of this world, we can foresee what their shelf life is and say, before the end of their contract we know we're not going to give them a new one. So we want Sigitsyn, Schneidlin, whoever, whoever, whoever out the club a year or two before the end of their contract to maximise the income. Therefore you've got to have a replacement ready. Not a replacement you're going by. No, like Manchester City do. You've got to have a replacement ready and all of a sudden you're able to sell your star player. Let's live in Dream Land. You sell Lukaku for a lot of money and you drop someone in who just carries on scoring goals. Yeah, just keeps on scoring goals. Now they're able to shop you know, in bloody Foughton and Macon or whatever and we're shopping in the Aldi or whatever. But the real trick you know, sockets, actually it's like a plug for a book this. That's soccer economics book and two words soccer economics. But the book might you've got it in there if you're not ready for a while. But the trick is that means you're buying at low and selling high and therefore every single player in our squad right now has a price tag on it and if somebody's foolish enough to come along and offer us more money than our price tag we must be in a position to say thank you very much. And you know what we played a club yesterday who funded buying players who appear now to have cost a hell of a lot less than they should have done on the back of selling their so-called best player every couple of years up until a couple of years ago. And if they win the league still thinking about if if they win the league they'll ship a load out as well because they'll be right at the top of the tree for attracting players in Premier League champions European champions, World Club champions why wouldn't you come and join us? And all their players when you look on transfer market or you look on CIS or whatever all their players will have greater value because they play for that club. They know what's going on, the line is going and the other kids going, the Dutch lad. Well there you go. When I was going. But what we had to speak back to your track what we had in this situation with people like Ghana and Lukaku they went. We knew they were going. We allowed them to go and we didn't have ready-made replacements because even if G-bamming had not got injured or whatever he's still a risk in this league because he's not played in it. He's still got a bed in. He's still coming to a new league a new coach. If you were doing it properly in quotes then G-bamming would have arrived the year before would have been in and around the club the squad, stock, getting put in Ghana's style of play inevitably means he occasionally gets a suspension he comes in, he plays the league and so on and so forth and that's proper rotation. You're training up your success. Of course you are. And that's what my brilliantly don't be. I'm going, close one this weekend Bayern Munich have just bought the goalkeeper that will replace Neuer they've just bought him and everyone knows that. That's life isn't it? That's life. And you know what I know the problem with those is we can't even get a start on 11 right never mind getting anything else right but that's the point isn't it? You look at our squad now and you go those two started a sentiment field and you go okay we've got Gomez and we've got G-bamming and who knows when that's going to happen but at the same time there should be the next one, the next one, the next one back and I'm fond of doing this on business matters with Paul right let's step back and let's assume that Brands does know what he's doing and say the chief exec who's the counterpart on the business side knows what she's doing and what we've just spent 10 minutes talking about it's not rocket science I've described it as 101 it's very basic business management you then ask yourself why we're not doing it why we're not doing it well you know you have to accept that if you want to get again a replacement and you want to get him ready and all that sort of stuff then if you can't go out and buy a city can someone for 20, 30, 40 million quid to sit in your reserves and you've given the nod that says in two years time young man you're going to be the man and so on then you've got to find talent and spot talent that can become that and I find it amusing sometimes and Twitter is obviously a great place to be today but that people think oh look at that you'll see people saying look at Madison they can find him why can't we, well that's because we haven't seen the six failures that they had before they found him and it's not there's no such thing as a Leicester City being lucky at finding players it's about doing the hard yards and then you're into then it's at the top, you're into the whole scouting system and so on but we did spot Madison, the difference was we weren't prepared to pay 25 million for him because at the time going back what, 18 months ago they signed him we had Sigerton and we'd only paid 45 million for him a year or so before and we weren't willing to spend that extra money because people were like well we've got Sigerton so we're not doing exactly what you're asking us to do that's why I'm saying it's 101 why not do it and what we talk about on business matters I was driving here just now and I'm thinking you can quite simplistically describe our football using an analogy around comparing the business side to the playing side or if you prefer the playing side to the business side and both of them are not doing some stuff which I would describe as the basics so much of what you do in business is transportable into what you do with footballers and it all comes out as a nearly swirl then as bollards like planning, succession systems, processes et cetera you've heard me say individuals don't fail companies do we let managers fail we stand on the touch line and we watch silver die like we watch Cooman die like we watch Martin Ed's die well god help us if we let Angelotti Angelotti die because he, the big difference having Mark Angelotti as our manager is those players can't blame the manager yet I can sit here and say and why the bloody hell did he play Schneidl and Sigurds side by side when we all know that's rubbish because he knows something we don't he's seen the fitness stats on Delph or the fitness stats on Tom Davis or I can't put Mason in there because I don't want to play Keith or whatever whatever whatever so we have to trust that we're not the very best manager but we also believe a couple of years ago we're just about to acquire the very best director of football as well and it isn't going to get fixed overnight that's the issue but our football club's really really good at leaving us in a position whereby we think they're going to do tomorrow what they should have done yesterday and I think yesterday you called it about watershed or whatever it could very well be a straw that was broken a camel's back if I had listened to the pages and pages of stuff that's come on here from really good mates from a fella ringing his daughter who's on all the day or gapity type holiday in Australia with their mates and their mates are all reds they're all fast asleep and what happened yesterday happens and he rings his daughter up and apologises because he's what made her a blue I made my son a blue and my granddaughter a blue and so on and there's stuff in here like dad I've given up on football I'm not going to go again this that and the other now okay time heals that stuff but I think the football club needs to be really really acutely aware that yesterday was different it wasn't just losing Anfield again it wasn't losing to kids it was the abject performance pretty much everyone who was on the field during the game and for Everton to go into bunker mode have they tweeted yet I mean it sounds daft to talk about social media but you know 17 or 18 hours after the game and radio silence that's not you know I mean they put an Instagram post on of course about 5 shame patients well again because we missed chances on the first half which is nonsense 1750 but what I would say though John has made some really good points there he's made some really good points when you talk about the camel I think I think we've all accepted this year that Liverpool are going to win the league and I don't think I'm not bothered about that you know what I mean we're not bothered about that now because they won the Champions League they're the best team we're all a bit like well so what you know what I mean but then what that showed yesterday is good planning against just an absolute mess and what I'm open with Carlo and Shorty is now we've got it like you just said people can't ask questions of him within the club and fans really shouldn't be asking questions of him because he's got he's done it so therefore I'm hoping that any obstacles that have been there and have been blocking everything from doing things the right way will now be removed because all these people who've been creating obstacles at the club for this reason or that reason can't do that anymore and that has to happen because you just have to look at what happened on the pitch in terms of just the way though their players the young players they come out cloppers bring esti obviously leave that team he's not asked clearly but he knows about the psychology of Everton and Everton fans and he knew that if he could get into the players head and the fans head you should win you should win we're not bothered all our players are tired and yet we put out of a team that is clearly tired that is clearly exhausted one chance to win it almost as many games as they have well if you take away the champions league the point being is that he threw it on our toes so we sent out the team that was exhausted and his young players and like you've just said before he put energy over experience and skill and he said to those young players get out there, get amongst them the tactics were actually really clever cos all he did was he said just get three or four years around every time they've got the ball and they'll kick it away and that's exactly what we did and he said don't kick away in areas and that's all we did and then there's no other effect of players coming to play then and so number one that was really really clever he knew it was a big game for us so he knew we'd play our best team so he knew that best team no matter what team would would be tired and our players like Richarlison were really tired cos they haven't stopped all season and I just thought that was really clever but it's the identity of what he's ingrained in those players that we don't have as a club was so evident yesterday he must, you know that the kid who scored the winner goal he's obviously been saying to him all week scouts lad, go and get the winner you'll get the winner or whatever one of you players will get the winner and you'll be remembered forever cos you'll be a local lad who scored the winner and no matter what you do in your career we scored the winner in front of 8000 plus Evertonians sorry to cut you off did the TV show clop an injury time when the ball went out of play the ball went out of play and I turned to the trees of my misses and said that's not coming back anytime soon cos it went up in the crowd behind the dugout and a fan caught it and threw it in and it came to a clop and he kicked it back into the crowd and then berated the fan for throwing the ball back it doesn't care it's all about winning and he believes clearly in that little moment he believes every single red in that stadium which is basically 48, 6000 of them whatever it was yesterday should know they're part of the team and with seconds to go do not give the ball back I like that with our ball boys that's what I'm saying the whole club the whole club dances to his tune and that's what you've got to do with your manager and all those players, all those young players we sat here and spoke to the red men before we had a conversation with them and he was like some of them are making and some of them won't I didn't even notice he said it's like a joke he's like there Luke Garbert he's going to get a testimonial the point being is that that all everyone in the club is behind this manager and they would die for them and you could see that on the pitch and we have to build that identity at our club that's what we need to strive to be and I don't give our monkeys about what anyone says about them and the way they do things we should all want to absolutely love our manager and I think so far we've got behind our manager and that's what we have to continue to do it's all about marginal gains it's all about small things all the time and that's why I bring out the club thing with the ball it's a small thing but everyone in the stadium saw him do it and they all lifted up a little bit and I just sit here maybe it's something trivial but I'm sitting here thinking deliberately a trivial thing who at the club has told the official Twitter account and all the players don't go on social media today who's said that because somebody has somebody has and you think that's part of it you've got to be proud but on the flip side of that John it's also about their fans as well and getting behind the manager in that way because against the red man Chris Cymyn he said it's one of the best atmospheres they've been for a while because the challenge was for them as fans there was more atmosphere yesterday than there was in the league to my side Derby and all these young lads are going to be representing you get behind them where they're on the flip side we'd be all sitting here biting our nails terrified of what a full send Liverpool and obviously there's a massive difference Liverpool team and full send Everton team it's the idea of here's the challenge imagine if this young team you go back to croff in his selection it was much smarter than that wasn't it because you look again you're walking away from the ground people talking whatever and there's a perception now that they're under 18s turned over yesterday it's nowhere near true but that's the perception and that builds it again there's only two teams in the city that have a full send you've got to get behind the team they're going to be young lads you've got to get behind them and that's what they did talking about apologising I put my lads in bed last night I don't know what to say I gave one of my mates because he was just like it means we can concentrate on the league and I was like because you've got to try to sell them I've got to try to sell them the thing that it can turn so I just said get them into marble get them into city but I said to him it was like four years ago Liverpool had Ricky Lambert up front and he got the right manager in and yesterday was the fruit of what he's put in and I look at Carlo Antelotti he said it before when you read the book he talks about play it's really insightful talks about having to manage upwards which I think you'll really like because of the business but he talks about having to manage people above them to get people to do the right things he talks about when him when him in Ibrahim or Ibrahim if it's a chapter but when he went into PSG they had him on the league for 20 years they had to drag that club up the little things they didn't have a restaurant so he got a restaurant because he said players have no way to eat coming in on a Thursday asking what you want to eat and he was like no you should have a restaurant and the players own what they're eating so you can't have clicks whatever language, whatever country you in you speak that language you all speak that language you find out where the clicks are and you start moving people around the table so you have to sit next to people they don't normally talk to it's not clever it's basics but what I'm saying to you is anyone who's going to build a team you've got to make it great what I'm saying to you is you're saying it's basics John aledais, silver couldn't do it the one thing they're not big enough to have an influence on the dressing room they can't walk into a dressing room and this is where it's mad Morgan Snidlin who's an absolute nobody by the way no, you and Kevin Morales are doing what you want at this club you see it all over Instagram the pictures of Morgan Snidlin Ghana last season all together you click with Dean you see it everywhere, you see Holgate and you see Tom McArthur and you see Tom Davis and you go yeah young players I understand that they're all English they're all together that's not the way it should be it should be the team all together and that's what happened because the managers we've had have not had the bollocks and this is exactly right, not had the bollocks to go and the number one here and John you might agree or disagree and I think that comes from the understanding of who's actually in charge of this football club what I'm saying is and again through that and you'll read it I haven't finished my point yet you've both jumped in it's that you talk about when you're building a football team you're after all so after the future of the team after the future of the team you're building a long term business of your team I don't think any of our managers about that won't sell him and you have to let him manage and he's been in the job for two weeks so go on you can respond I'm laughing because while I'm talking to Peds you can think of the answers to a simple question you're just describing a manager saying you've got to have this long term vision so in a minute you tell me how much time he's spent at his last three clubs because it's not a long term vision is it you say that and what tends to happen in football clubs which doesn't happen in business is it's all one person's fault I mean you just did one of your that's a minor rant for him isn't it you did a little rant about those managers didn't have the balls or whatever to tell so-called senior players this is how it is so assuming that's true and we'll just pick one we'll pick silver that silver didn't feel able to tell certain players the meaning of life and all that good stuff women was a big character allegedly and he apparently didn't do it either and before it marked and so on well whatever okay well no one would start challenging how much time did Alex Ferguson actually spend in the building or some of the famous managers of the past it's key decisions made at the right time in the right way that turned out to be right which is what managers are paying to do managers shouldn't have to it's good to be can I suppose be seen on the training ground all day every day cos he'll have professors, fitness coaches we need some psychologists whatever whatever whatever but if the manager and this comes back to the people don't fail, companies do managers don't fail, football clubs do if the manager doesn't feel he can go to a senior player say you're that senior player say excuse me that's not what we do here and you go off well your history now but if the manager doesn't believe that in other words there are players here who are more important than the club more important than the team and so on and so forth that's because he's not getting the manager effective support from above and consulting informed behaviours are really important it's all business jogging but let's pretend we're in an environment and the manager I come to you and again I've got to do it right if I make it who's got a bigger willy me or you in front of all the team and you know then you're going to give it back aren't you they're all bloody or they should be they're all alpha males all want to perform and all that good stuff then if I do that publicly we can have a slanger match but if I come to you privately and say hey mate you need to pull your socks say to Sigurdsson you're not doing it why are you not let me help you and you go on your bike then I go to my boss don't I Mr Brans and I say excuse me and I want him no more how are we going to exit him from the business how are we going to manage him out in the best possible way because we don't go screaming to the media Sigurdsson's history you know go back to Cuman in Nias we might have done that today well I'm sure that's going on if this book I'm not ready I've got a book club this isn't it no it'll just come on the way out but the point in business terms you would try and coach and help somebody and I mean business coaching like to understand why they're not performing and if they're just not going to improve can't improve won't improve you move them on but you don't cut your nose off despite your face if we've got a serial number of managers who don't feel they've been in quotes allowed to do that and the examples you were given a few moments ago are pre-brands as well it's a club issue it's a club issue therefore this managing up bit is important and the first phase of managing up is when they're offering you the job your stock is never higher than when somebody offers you the job because actually they're actually giving you the job and all the money and all the promises whatever based on what you've done before and what they hope you're going to do and it actually decays from day one until you deliver on the expectation and off you go so going back to the manager and he says have I got a war chest he gives a damn he's not a fool he's been around so things aren't going to happen until January but what has happened yesterday he's got a number of players he needs to have a word with and it could be 11 or 12 of them who you need to understand why they didn't perform and you go back to that cleakiness thing storm to perform have you heard of that they have now storm to perform go and look it up don't look it up but teams put together to do anything actually you go through a cycle and the cycle you start up here when you get formed are you ten you're all in the same team ultimately you start doing things and we fail perhaps or we don't do as well as we should so it's your fault when you get into the bottom of the pit where you storm you basically tell everyone what you think of everyone if you can get to storming as fast as possible then that's good because the other side of that is the curve going upwards again to where you perform and I would imagine Liverpool are right at the top of that stack and we're still on the downslopes perhaps I'm open but in the bottom well I would hope so but because they're all on the same side there isn't a player who walked out to whatever time it was I kind of remember the bully kick off time now six, five, six minutes past four it was walked out ten minutes before that expecting to be as bad as they were something happened didn't it you know so when one guy is under pressure his mates have to help him if two are under pressure they have to help them if three are under pressure you start putting pressure on others then and when you play players like Schneiderlin and Sigism together I actually think to a degree if they have stinkers just the normal standard but if they have stinkers you're playing with nine men that means you end up putting pressure on your centre backs if you put pressure on the centre backs you put pressure on the goalkeeper and then we see symptoms and you've heard this crap on business matters lots of what we see are symptoms and it's the cause we need to address and the cause could be as dysfunctional as you say which is there's cliques everywhere there's somebody always blaming somebody else they're not all pulling in the same direction they don't know what the plan is they don't know how where they fit into the plan that a wall cop might be thinking I'm playing for my next contract and it ain't going to be here, I'm not stupid and so on and then making bold decisions I just think some of them are just not bold decisions shouldn't be I mean bolding potential outcomes making the decision is the easy bit and perhaps that's what happened yesterday Mr Anshalosi and his fitness man said you know what if you want to play two guys in midfield and you play these two let's say that's Delph and Dave it's just because they were on the bench then they're not going to last then you're into that game of do I want to have two players who are going to last an hour and have the game done by then or do I want to play these two who can put last 90 minutes if need be but Duncan must have been in Duncan must have been in the area of don't play these two together he did but he got a better outcome he got them at home and it was no pressure on the game in terms like that and he got them at a different stage he got them on that well they've had three or four tiring games since then as well that's a big factor in it I just think the players are just not good enough and let's get it right someone just don't care John someone just don't care I don't accept they don't care oh he's not John no no no wait I watched him yesterday and for the goal he just gives up the lad brushes him and he goes down and then when he scores he gets up and then he goes back down again we watched him against knowledge when they score gently he doesn't care but now you might disagree but that's fine I'm not bothered because I know I'm not defending him the point being is he doesn't care how or why he's still at the club is beyond me someone's made the decision it reminds me like I asked him on Grand Jacket it's like he shouldn't be there the fans don't want him he doesn't want to be there but he's in more of an asset to just go well we're going to give him away for free they need to find a way of getting rid of these kind of players at the club they're the wrong players they do not fit within what we want to do or where we want to go I'm not going to I just think that's too simplistic no no I agree if you get rid of Schneidling because quote he doesn't care you're treating the symptom and the cause can remain and his replacement might not care and what we've seen is multiple cycles of that we have seen it's awful that there's some relatively young players at the development time of their career played under so many managers in such a short amount of time and lived the highs and lows of a new manager sack him a new manager and all that sort of stuff it's awful for them but what they're also experiencing is continually treating symptoms the manager himself can be a symptom when you get a competent manager competent defined as he's got these UA for badges and all that good stuff then if he can't get at least the minimum out of a set of players there's an issue so you sack the manager hang on then you bring another manager in we can blame the owner for getting his favourite of the week or whatever it might be and nothing changes well maybe it wasn't the manager then but you still get rid of that manager we've hit lucky with a big bag of money probably but we've hit lucky that we've got a manager that every single player knows can't blame the manager now what happens now is and this again the analogy of the business side the business itself isn't performing we haven't seen the accounts it seems like we're unlikely to see the accounts or if we do it won't be much in advance of when the general meeting takes place which is an astonishing situation but that's just the symptom I haven't got the accounts in my hand the cause is something else talking to auditors in numbers waiting for somebody to write their narrative whatever it might be it doesn't really matter we can't get flippin about it but the symptom we see is we haven't got the accounts in our hands the business side of it can be exactly the same when you move in or when you move in and your Denise is the chief exec if there are things that are wrong go back to that you walk in through the door that's wrong we're going to fix that this is the business, not the football side can't do it overnight you can't just sack every direct report you've got you've got to find out which ones are good which ones are not performing because others are not performing that's the other point which is important if we just split the business side into three chunks and say actually a third of them are really good at what they do we can get better we're doing a job there's a third who are not performing but can improve and there's a third who are not important who cannot improve they're the ones who have to go apply that to the football team and that's exactly what Angelotti's going to do or Bran should have started for him so when they sit down Bran should already be able to say to the new manager by the way we've made that decision and he says well I really like Schneider then I want to keep him that's when Bran's bit has to come in and say no sorry he might be stucking up to you in training right now and running around like a lunatic and saying look at me boss aren't I really keen but we've seen him for longer than you so quick decisions doesn't mean quick actions and therefore the decisions will get made quite soon but the actions will have to play out I'm just going back to what you're saying I think the decision it might have come down to a lot of it is with Walt Shynons I think personally and I think the decision was already made Football clubs by players not individuals no no that was his job I will rail against anything you say which blames one person but there has to be a person doesn't it there has to be a person who makes decisions there has to be somebody who makes the final decision ultimately then football teams don't get led by committee do you need to get led by people and a lot of these Shynons committees are made of people but he made the final decision I don't think he did obviously someone has to sign off the cheques there you go making different decisions but for me one of the big problems is we need to get rid of a lot of that kind of player that we bought from the waltz what's that kind of player players John who do not fit together and are not part of a team unit and never have been Sigartons, Snidlans these kind of players these kind of players that would just fit Sigarton looks like he fits into the Iceland team well he does because the Iceland team has been formed over 10 years and he is their best player I'm going to say different levels of expectation therefore what we're talking about is when you're selecting players based on what starting point the kind of player I need the Iceland team doesn't get picked on the Iceland team gets picked on who's Icelandic forget it for a minute so when you're going out to buy a player do you think who's good will have him or do you think we need a centre midfield player with these attributes hopefully the latter how much have we got to spend who's available where's the boxes ticked are we going to do it or not fans often talk about transfer windows we haven't got a plan B if we can't get our first target get the second target while down the goddamn list do you go before you say no we'll stay with what we've got problem with that is you need to have a plan and certainly the criticism which is not too difficult to place with Walshers if there was a plan no one knew what it was now if that's influenced by the owner I want to spend £50m on someone go find someone I want a Hollywood manager go find me whatever I've got favourite players I've got favourite coach that's your managing up thing that's your managing up thing but we had disagree no there was no plan of course there was we were just buying players because there was a name three tens was it only three three number tens as far as the game went there was a game game itself is a symptom the first 45 minutes were alright let's be honest we can talk about whether we were any good in possession or we weren't the fact that the matter is we should have been if Mason Holgate heads the ball down it's a terrible idea because if he heads it down Adrian has to save it we had three men round us he misses that the one that Dominic Calvert-Lewin it's Adrian if Theo Wolcott has any from the bottom any composure he doesn't try to flip the ball got played on a corner too it was a great ball it's bouncing and he's got Phillips alongside and not Phillips or whatever his name is he did so Wolcott then just runs in a straight line with the ball he's got a square pass for Dom it was three yards out with the tapping and he doesn't he flicks it to the Charleston who then has to bring the ball under control with three men round it breaks Dom it's a shot I don't think Dom could do much he hit it well and Adrian saves with his feet and then we had the Charleston one which for me was a sitter he hit a straighter at him he should have scored he should have got round it into the far corner as well as that we had the wrong choice Dom trying to dive in there when he didn't need to if he had just actually moved his feet he'd have had the free header and it was done and we had a header over the bar I think was it Jerry Mina it's one over the bar when he's remarked and it's the Charleston in the first half Liverpool had great save by Pickford but he was offside he was miles off and we had another shot that went over to Pickford other than that they created nothing in the first half but you went off for half time thinking we should be tuning up here and we're not and I hope it doesn't bite us the key for me was in the second half we stopped playing because you said it before a 60 minute player started thinking will I make that run actually no I'll let him make that run and that's exactly what happened in the second half energy levels went fell through the floor Sigarton and Snideland stopped even moving in the second half where they moved slightly in the first half they didn't Coleman got further and further and further back and started putting us under pressure and ended up giving it away and Liverpool you said it right to the start Liverpool basically just pushed right on to us and Klopp would have said to them at halftime you're lucky you're still in the game but you are still in the game and if you press these high you can win the game that's the difference though I don't think the message though is they were still in the game and they shouldn't have been and yeah the second half they fully deserved the victory because we couldn't raise our game our energy levels or use our headstand if you're playing against kids who are running round how often have you seen it at any level of football if you play against experienced older fellas you look at them and go it started in the first half and yet it's up here they play the game up here and it becomes harder it's the last 10 minutes of the first half it was all the way through the first half now now it was we were playing passes like you the one you mentioned before where it was sloppy so every time our player had to get the ball he had to take a touch every time so the ball was just bouncing around and because they were young and fast they were on it before we were and forcing us to go for throws and little things forcing us into things we didn't want to do and yes we did make chances but we never had control I said to my misses just before the game started we sort of got to treat this like we're playing almost like a lower league team they got nothing to lose they're going to run around on adrenaline so the first 10 to 15 minutes particularly if the crowd are behind them and you watched it and they did they were clustering, they were swarming around and I said to my misses so that's going to happen then you take the wind out the sails by either stroking the ball around playing with calm had we scored you could have thought how many we're going to score because the adrenaline will turn off they'll be tired then and worried about what consequences that young centre back petrified from the beginning and stayed that way second half you stroll around the place then they get half time so we didn't do it did we then they get half time when they've got a charismatic manager who's going to geom up again so we're going to go for the same cycle again of 10 to 15 minutes run around like lunatics and then in their mindset they'll start, you would think they're going to start thinking first off they'll think we're not going to lose this a draw would be great and again we have to just keep playing calm for both chances will come particularly if our manager is at a halftime but he's going to have said that you should have taken those chances but more will come, we are better than them we are better than them stay cool, don't panic we'll walk out here at 1-0 if we have to you're almost countering the cloppism of the walk over us because I'm just sending out whoever I've got who's face and some kids but to a man they emotionally fell apart and I'm sorry about you're saying the energy let and all that sort of stuff but let's call it tiredness to my mind watching the game live the tiredness started in their heads that's where it begins they were emotionally out of it before they were physically out of it it was little things John like the amount of times and it happened in the first half the amount of times that they just pushed on us and forced players like Seamus Coleman to go back to the goalkeeper and the amount of times we just kept on playing and no one in the midfield had the drop in and just come and took the ball off them or no one in the midfield ever pushed on so I called and experienced players like Seamus Coleman who knows he's having issues just walk over to the goalkeeper stop bloody playing out let's have a few channel balls for a bit no one's going to win everything let's play off him the goal comes from and I've been very critical of Jordan Pickford but it comes from Jordan Pickford and he just don't want where he kicked it straight to the goalkeeper literally just got it corner came in he caught it and he didn't even look and he just smashed it long and it's like what are we doing just get hold of the ball and let's start playing he smashed it straight back to them and then he does it again we're messing about at the back fair enough it's not good enough we give it to him he floats his stupid ball into three of their players three of them and their three players are like it was like watching rugby when you kick it back to them on these charges or American football and they've got players then and they maneuver it and it's like one of them and he falls over and they're like great shot whatever I don't know if the goalie could have said that I don't know but the point being is we're messing about second half there was no papers so I had game at all it was just and like you just said the keeper should just be saying get in that channel and I'm going to smash a couple of long ones and we're going to get the possession high up the pitch and turn these and start winning a couple of corners and a couple of throwings and playing near half and then start we were passing it around on the edge of our box and all that says to them is well you're not at our end so we're going to sit at your end and something was always going to break for them because it always does and a Regie had that one just a minute before where he ate one for miles out and it's not doing anything and then suddenly he picked for the like oh shit bounce just in front of him he picked for the ffumon of Regie he was right local I'm shaking his head like I'll dare you have a shot from there bounce just in front of him sorry this is the same fella who after the game said nice cross even though it was a shot if that doesn't tell you what the mentality is of that man then I don't know what the biggest disappointment went in we made changes it took Sigarton off rightly show took Coleman off rightly show because he was horrific and yet alls we did was we just done the same thing he put Delphon instead of Sigarton and Delph just sat and didn't go forward so we didn't change anything Benard hardly touched the ball he put Moise Keane on and we didn't give anything to Moise Keane you know and the problem for me is Tom Davis was the right sub ok people don't like him and that's fine but for me he tried to go the right way and he would have broke forward and tried to get involved Delph didn't Delph just sat old in Snideland's hand so nothing actually changed we still ran around us we still had two lads that didn't run across the half way line as midfield players Walcott was decent in the first half an hour and then faded and faded and faded to the point where we had one break in the second half where he got in round the back of them and he had Moise Keane and he had Retialis, no Tom running in and instead of taking another touch because there was no one in ten yards of him he hit the ball out for a throwing if he just takes another touch he can roll it and Keane and Retialis and they're in on the goalkeeper and you just looked at that and just went what are you offering and I think this is where Carlo probably got it wrong a little bit what I, listen I'm bowing to his great analogies a much better just a little bit and all yours is hindsight exactly but what I this is what I said at the half time had I gone 4-2-4 against them you were far too fit for us to try to play through but particularly at 1-0 we should have just gone right we're getting 4 men on your back 4 and we're going long and that's the way it is because that's what we did against Chelsea it's what we did at Old Trafford it's what we did against Burnley but this is a youthful Liverpool team with yet some experienced bros but let's get them having to defend in their box and we didn't we just carried on passing it and passing it to nobody pressed us we got back I don't know but you could see from the enchilote John on the touchline he was fuming so it's great well yeah okay but I read this morning about he was he was throwing his arms and he was shaking his head now if you've got a man that's that's you know just thinking on the touchline like that and going looking at players going like that you can kind of understand that they're not doing what he wants because if your manager is happy with what you're doing because he's told it's like Guardiola he's clapping keep going keep going ours wasn't ours was throwing his arms up Silver said because he was quite professional in his press conferences wasn't it particularly straight after the game but even he once or twice basically basically basically said they didn't do what I told them to do and so people go you can't do that to enchilote enchilote's only give the one get out in his post match stuff which is we haven't been on the training ground we've basically played, rested, played, rested but I tell you and I love the bit where he says we'll be talking about it and his team at the weekend is going to be you know the whole squad match day squad's going to be really insightful what he did yesterday was some of those guys should go and have a reaction and speak to the team after the game he said that but he made them wait yesterday so he went and done the media and then he went and spoke to them and then said he'd be having them once or once today with them exactly right because they needed a kick up well hopefully today him and Brandon have sat down and maybe making plans because what you were saying before and that's what I was saying before about Silver he knew the problems I just don't think he could didn't have the personality and the language skills probably as well to all the influence to say I want these players moved on and to last like you've just said this is his highest point now and he can walk in now today with Brandon and just say how on him and him out the door and I think it's Gary Neville said something quite interesting in the season, I'll only go on a source guide at the event we went to and he said all he wants to move more of these players out he just can't he got with the Lukaku he wants to get with the Pog but he wants to get with the Lingard but he can't, he didn't say those names by the way for just legal reasons he needs to go clear that up but you know he wants to but he just can't and that's the problem Anselos is going to face for the rest of the season he can't get with the Snadl and Sigarton Wolcott all in one go he's going to have to take the time and I know what you're saying with the squad but I don't think there'll be much difference there might be a difference in personnel I think four or five kids we can't do that Kelly he's going to have to review all that as well and that's something that brands need to be doing as well as reviewing how we use the youth and how we play through that and do we need such an influential under 23s manager do you know what I mean do we need somebody the 23s build the football players it's interesting and we were chatting earlier they don't do anything we've been in the 23s that lot no we don't we've won it twice fantastic but we're playing nears at centre forward it's a development squad city the same it's about developing people play as in the first team all they sell them on for a lot of money so yeah if the under 23 manager believes his job is to win PL2 then again let's go back to that top down thing he needs to be advised about that at all success from you is dictated by how much do we sell your players for and how many of them get into the first Premier League squad that's success not doing that bloody Mickey Mouse cup where there's league teams and under 23s and getting distance in that that's about just seeing how ready they are and winning PL2 gives a damn really it's great and I'm sure Bill loves it but we've done it twice now that's enough it's done so we don't and if David wants to progress he needs to go and manage a property i.e. playing a physical cut it's not perceived to be physical these days but it's a lot more physical than the 23 league is don't play in a league where there's our asses in there and there's supporters when it means something and the supporters screaming down one way or the other that's where you'll end up you would think so Joe rates him I think you can go then and we can do that we can have an arrangement and say off you go David and we'll agree with Joe that take two or three lads with you but they have to be the two or three who are going to benefit us for playing in the championship this has to be the match where the manager can now say or Marcel Brands maybe can say to the people above him this shows you that that person that I wanted to get rid of for ages whoever that is needs to go needs to go on that and that other one that I told you about even though you spent an absolute fortune on he needs to go as well even if we lose 30 million on that play they have to go because all the doing is eating into the football clubs financially and whatever else there isn't a player on the books I don't think we could lose 30 million on well you know what I mean I know in financial terms all four fans think if you buy some for 45 million and you sell them for 15 you've lost their job of course you have and that crystallises straight away so you can't do that unless you want to be perpetually in the risk of putting it up and what anti lot he was saying in that book when I talked about that and that's where social is at as big as they are they can't just throw money out the window you've got to get them to a level where it's whatever 18 months left on a contract and it looks right basically and the depreciations happen whatever so he talks in the book about wanting someone as long term and he accepts, he says that because he knew he was only going to be there what's the longest he's ever been anyway 89 years and he wants a long term job hence why he's took this for four and a half years right younger than me he's took this he's took this for four and a half years because he also wanted to develop the academy he said I want to get into the academy but I knew that Ryan was rid of Cuddins and Barlow not his job but he's part of it he should be part of that decision making because he's experienced and haven't been that so what we have to do now and this is why yesterday has to be the watershed for the club not for Carl and anti lot he but for some of those players it needs to be the finish point for Marcel Brands he needs to start delivering because he hasn't delivered let's be honest he hasn't delivered because the team doesn't look much better than when he took over and that is an issue some of those players might become better with better guidance that's what it comes down to but we have to sit down now and make some big decisions and that has to trickle through to the 23s you're right we can't be a team that wins Premier League 2 because it doesn't matter we couldn't have played 6-23s yesterday and gone through and field and won or whatever because our players aren't up to their level because like you've just said people like Neas are playing in that on the 23s we've clearly got players in the 23s and again I said this to Theresa I was going back to the car you know we shouldn't get deluded particularly by one off games either way you know sort of thing but there are players in let's just simplify it there are players in our team if you've dropped into city's team would look infinitely superior than they are in our team and clearly the other way round you can go to a man city we go to Barcelona and do it don't we some people might say just take Barcelona's cast offs in the sense that if they can't make it there why do we want them? maybe because they're better than what we've already got they're not the final answer and so on so we shouldn't lose sight of it's the team itself which can have a negative or positive impact on individual players and fundamental to that has got to be this plan about how we're going to play and I don't know I've no idea I know how Liverpool play I know how man city play I know how Leicester play not so sure about Tottenham these days not so sure about Arsenal and not so sure actually about Chelsea either but they're all in transition like us to a degree the one who might suffer most because of who the manager is but one of you said probably both of you four years ago they were in disarray so the timetable for turning it round we've got across the park an example of how quickly it can be done and that is quickly that's not taking your time over it is it but they've been on the up every year since you walk through the door and that's the key that momentum that's the most important thing isn't it John is that it sounds well I don't know how long what four years sounds to you four years it sounds a hell of a long time because you think what's happened in the last four years but for them every year for the four years they've enjoyed it they've done good things they've got a couple of finals and they've eventually won stuff and now they're bedding young players to the squad where did they make it or not they're enjoying watching that as well because they've got more games and that's the other thing there's less pressure on the FA Cup and the league cup and they can play young players they get to the quarterfiles of the league cup and they end up playing a young squad they fade round the FA Cup and they play a mixed squad we don't have that they add ability and the last time we did have that ability we threw that away when Cooman thought every game you had to play a strong team where he really should have used the Europa League to bed in these young players so the likes of Tom Davis, Keegan Dowell at the time, John Jo Kenney got more games under the belt so that's what it has to be you don't want to get to four years and go now we'll be alright you want it to be let's enjoy the next four years and let's hope that this is the point where we can start that we've wasted three clearly John can't keep hitting reset years on money we've wasted so the first thing we're on our second manager with the director of football and you would like to think both the incoming managers knew how we were intending to play because that's what we're buying to and what we're selling to more relevantly which is your point and we've got huge sums of money which are going to go out the door through end of contract and things like that but the market's rising all the time so the replacement costs go up and so on and so forth but the whole full version are you trying to finish on a high are we going to qualify for Europe the five games will tell us that one what a little push is not no is it the thing what will help us is one game a week will help this squad because it's particularly if the manager wants to get into them and the manager will put his stamp on it he's going to get five, six, seven days maybe eight sometimes between every game because we're going to have a weekend without FA Cup and we're going to have the winter break they're coming up in the next couple of months so we'll be able to impress the fifth round fifth round is the first round the league schedule is the same one so there's one more round the fourth round we'll have a weekend and if the manager gets to the league of final that's another weekend we'll go to Germany it's a bit up to March we'll go to Germany the more time he's got on the training ground the more he can get his message across the more he can assess people the more he can make decisions and go right you're just going to be able to do what we do and we'll know that and that's why we have to stay positive this isn't at the end of three years and we're still terrible we don't believe in Carlo Ancelotti it is at the end of three years but if we don't believe in Carlo Ancelotti then who are we going to believe in? Paul Stumps that's what we've got to look at yesterday was horrific, pathetic embarrassing the fans have had to take the brunt but the players should be embarrassed and everyone in that football club under him in his team they know right now what the level of fitness was of all those players saying they're tired and stuff like that sounds more like an excuse than a reason that's the point so they haven't even had the bloody common sense to put a shift in for a new manager so they've actually helped him maybe it's a good thing seeing the way exactly exactly right like you said before manager comes in and it's like everyone wants to impress him for the first couple of weeks when training everyone's doing the extra little bits yesterday you've got to see the real people you've got to see Snideland for what he is really there's absolutely no heart it's like the wisdom of us honestly no heart, no brains it's mentality isn't it the mentality to be able to go to a tough place cowardly as well against people who you should beat because that was the pressure if that had been Manei and Salerham for me they'd have known what they were up against they'd have probably played better you might have still lost the game they'd have probably performed better against their best because they were up for it and yet the pressure is right to the start was went can you handle it? I know this is a massive game for you we're going to win probably win the league we'll probably go far in the champions league so for us this isn't really these lads are going to run because it means a lot to them have your lads going to be able to run after four games in 11 days let's see the other thing about that which was quite clever clock made sure that was the narrative that a lot of the journalists went with as well he made sure that as well the young team looked at some of the reports and all that and you can see that all those they were full friendly journalists that we all know they were all well on board with it it was about keeping the pressure on everything and we couldn't cope with it before that afterwards the narratives become the under 18 before that afterwards they all went with it they're not bothered, they all know what they're doing they're not stupid they seem to they, Paul Joyce trying to put the knife in between Angelotti oh well Angelotti being annoyed that these plays give more for Duncan Ferguson you can't tell me that's not trying to put a wedge between or is it true because the two different things Duncan Ferguson had you can say that for the Chelsea game go and watch the Arsenal game go and watch the Arsenal game, you'll know we are the half that plays good run it's fine going well now when Duncan Ferguson first walked through the door and it was all on pure passion but at the time I'm not saying about that if I'm Angelotti, I'm thinking he might be thinking why did they before that's what I'm still saying Paul, what I'm saying is that the press will always be they love Cop, they love them and if he's putting sound bites on and creating these ideas and getting into the editor of the Everton players they've done that and they've all played the part and they know they have but it's not Machiavellian conspiracy to it's not a conspiracy it's about controlling the narrative it's just very very clever it's got into the heads it's 101, that's what I'm saying it's not clever, it's 101 basics it must be clever it's never done it never done it Everton needs to lead 101 basics sorry, in the very top now but let's not when we're not doing what I would think of the basics let's not call other clubs who are doing them clever cos that lets us off the hook that implies they're doing something really clever and we need to learn from their cleverness these are basics we are underperforming in controlling the narrative managing the media, doing this, doing that, doing the other we've got loads of press in the last couple of weeks because we've got one of the world's historically greatest managers let's not lose that edge let's start being proactive, doing this, doing that, doing the other no, we've actually gone away from the point I was trying to make the point I was trying to make was stop calling them clever it's found out who our players are and that's where we are that's where we are today the spotlight's just gone like that right on people cos like you said before too many of our players at times try to make themselves busy they don't do anything you know, whenever go back to the businessy thing again go into a business to be the MD and I'm going to look at my director reports and their reports to get an understanding of the place but I've already been told by my boss who might be the group chief exec or whatever watch Baz, he's a bit of a problem watch Pedi, he's going to be a superstar or whatever but you have to find out for yourself that's where those one-to-ones come in it's curious isn't it, you're talking about after a defeat the manager's going to do one-to-ones before he even picked a team Duncan did one-to-ones and Duncan's been there the hell of a lot longer so I guess what Duncan was doing was saying to those players on a one-to-one this is my perception of you try and change it if it's negative try and build on it if it's positive and Sherlock's going to do the one-to-ones I'm sure it's a simple question for a lot of listening what happened yesterday then now some of those players are going to go well if he'd done his bloody job I wouldn't have been an expert and so on and he should listen to all that and then at some stage they've got to do that in front of each other that's the storming bit but when you've taken the bad apples out which is your point you don't go into storming with the guys you don't expect to be in the team and if there's still cleakiness going on that needs to be broken down immediately that's why we need to sign a grass now it is that's why we need to sign a grass now you need to build it was depressing and embarrassing and all of that we had loads of stats and figures it can't be bothered with any new case quicker to edit as well we haven't even gone through it it's just people like Gilfee Shrigginson what did he do people have got eyes, they know he's done them 63 minutes played, no goals, no assist he does nothing, he doesn't no shots on target no shots blocked, no dribble attempts there you go one ground, no aerial duels lost possession 11 times and one foul sense of midfielder without winning the duel what about the other fella 62 touches 82% pass and he doesn't surprise me from here to there no shots on target two shots off target which both were awful triple Z shot block none, dribble attempts none possession lost nine times ground duels one five lost four does that mean must be and aerial duels one one on loss one slow and predictable there you go who played the best statistically meaner but then again I don't think Liverpool did much of front show we're probably alright ugly I give my man of the match the ill-willed god but that was only because of his first after-form I think wholegate would have been all meaner so although people on my thing were like wholegate was horrific said the beaver's man of the match and I was like everyone listen it just shows you how everybody sees the game I listened to two hours of three blocks behind me from the kickoff nailing Sadibi I was completing us a waste but he's not though is he he's just not a very good defender I give Sigurton one and I give Sniadlin two was this out of ten someone gave me grief for giving Sigurton one said that was disrespectful disrespectful what was the highest score you gave woke off five lot of force Sigurton got one, Sniadlin got two Sigurton got two off the echo by the way it's not disrespectful it's out of ten it's that bad you'll get it I give and unlike the thing we have on Peter and that wholegate meaner got a six everybody else got five and four so what you're scoring you ended up woke off yeah but your scoring emotionally you're not scoring no I was because if you score and wholegate meaner a four when Liverpool didn't I told he created most of our best chances and that's why I give him one no woke off I told he created most of our best chances that's why I give him a five I was just reacting to what he actually did in the first half I wasn't criticising your woke off I was criticising your meaner I give Dean a three Coleman got like a two there you go Sigurton one Sniadlin only got two because he had two shots that's fine it was grim and let's move on because and I know a lot of people a lot of people a lot of people won't be able to move on because like what you said the frustrated are angry the disappointed are upset people have had to go to school today people have had to go on to work today we've had condescending and pats on the head but it's about going forward we've got it and I do an EBM thing you can't put on a different video because you mean you're doing a business it's Paul's one more thing so we just got to County Road meet Theresa last night and she'd held herself together because she was not very happy at all and these two lads were walking up towards Spellolate sort of thing and one of them was giving it large, very animated like the rest of us was in his criticisms and stuff like that and as we walked past I just stopped and went spot on mate and he joined in with me and I said anyway it's history now which is what we have to do it's history in the past and so we carried on walking and he shouted so we turned around and he said we're still the best club in the world though well there you go I'm sure I've felt you've got so he'll turn up and we'll all be there saty and we've got to get behind because we've got to be bright get them momentum, shift them back to us we had two difficult games on paper and we've lost both of them so now it's about roll your sleeves up and beat your own games a weekend and the manager has to make changes please call over you, ever watch this don't play those two and send them a field again give the video a thumbs up if you so wish subscribe if you haven't joined us on paper if you want more videos it's all you can do it's hard it is hard but what else can we do other than cry thanks for watching see you later