 special guest Dave Asprey. We are about to go on a voyage that's going to cover all kinds of controversial things from cannibalism to on a desert island to kickstands from red lights to living to 180. Okay, to how much protein you really need to is the four hour workout per week the right number? Should you be running like David Goggins or can you do it all in 15 minutes a week? We got a lot of controversial yet scientifically validated conversations coming your way. The show notes and links to all of the good info Dave's giving and to get his book tylopes.com slash Dave Asprey podcast tylopes.com slash Dave Asprey podcast Dave before we go into cannibalism and living to 180 um you used to weld before you were successful you're welding Toyota truck frames who taught you to weld I learned to weld on a farm from Joel Salatin who how'd you learn this? I learned at a training program from a company called Dana Automotive and we were a subcontractor who made Toyota truck frames that got sent to the plant in Fremont where today Tesla makes cars so I would just tell you do not buy a mid 90s Toyota pickup truck if I touched it with my welding I apologize it's probably off the road I was not a good welder but I you know you make ends meet so like it's kind of an ironic I mean not to be cheesy but it's like you were you were piecing things together it was almost like you were a hacker and now you hack the body I was certainly I was 300 pounds anyway I don't know I was a 300 pound welder and then computer hacker and now I'm a bio hacker that's probably a better place to what was next then you went to Silicon Valley or what where'd you go from there I was finishing school I was getting a degree in information systems with a concentration in artificial intelligence and so I got that and then I went from there to Silicon Valley welcome everybody to today's episode this is a reunion episode last time Dave Asprey was in my garage the the here in my garage in the Hollywood Hills I think that was either 13 or 14 it's been about a decade it's something like 13 14 it must it must have been around 14 I would guess that was there in the books Lamborghini books Lamborghini phase that was the books that and really you're you were in my garage 2014 that was pre here in my garage you were the original one that saw the garage it was still getting put together uh when I was there yeah so that was 2014 because I got that that Ferrari I got in and for Halloween 2014 so I remember it vividly well we're going to jump into this I'm I follow you on Instagram so I see a lot of your bio hacking I'm super myself I've been over the last five years I did this kind of million dollars I spent about 250 grand a year testing every health hack learn some things from you and your books and your social media and um learn from as many smart people so you know I I talk about the four pillars of good life and a lot of entrepreneurs figure out how to make money but what is what is a profit a man to gain the world but lose their health right I wanted to just jump in and just because you've done so many things you've got bulletproof your best selling author I see you blowing up on social media if you were this is a question I came up with I was thinking about this podcast ahead of time and I was like Dave you're on a desert island you're Gilligan's Island you're going to be there for three you're going to be there for three years you know it's going to happen you're going to be isolated but you'll be okay it's a tropical island there's enough water but you can only have three foods what are the three foods you're bringing with you to the desert island I've asked myself this around and you're a smart guy so I wanted to get your input I mean logically speaking it would have to be a female army ranger because they can make anything into food and if that doesn't work you could eat them because they're made out of meat so like how could you lose okay so that's one there's another human who knows stuff all right we got a little cannibal we got a little sign that's where you're intermittent fasting practice but hey you know if worse comes the worst there you go what would I bring um I would bring a cow okay because you can eat a cow it also makes milk you didn't tell me that food had to be dead no that's a good answer that's a valid answer I would also just bring like the whole cow ground up into a patty with all the organ meats even though it tastes kind of gross except I couldn't really preserve it unless you give me a refrigerator and then we're gonna have you know a big maybe a jacuzzi and a freezer can we add those sure no at a certain point so you're like have you ever there's uh have you ever heard a western price he wrote a book like the bullfrog diet I talked a lot about that and yeah you you need beef it's it's actually necessary for a bunch of reasons you're gonna be able to catch fish on a desert island or something if you if you really want to but honestly the highest nutrient thing is going to be the cow and the dairy grass-fed dairy one of the reasons to eat grass-fed yogurt and butter all over the place all the foods with bulletproof we created a global shortage of grass-fed butter in 2014 back when we met literally someone went to jail for trying to smuggle grass-fed butter from Norway and just because there was such a shortage and I totally did that because there's always articles in Ireland like look what the yanks I'm putting in the coffee now and all this crazy stuff because grass-fed butter actually is a health food and dairy fat is necessary your problem on a on an island like that is going to be how do I get enough quality protein and how do I get enough animal fat you get those things and not fish oil fish oil is good but only in moderate amounts so you do that you're just going to look lean ripped be full be happy and be full of nutrients when they pick you up in three years yeah so would you bring a carb would you try to grow rice probably fruit on the island if there's no fruit on the island and I could I could bring something that was nutrient dense it would have to be just on a benefits per whatever it'd be raw honey because raw honey is a carb but it just it makes glycogen in the liver you could pretty much live off meat and raw honey for an indefinite amount of time if you needed to without ill health events and you throw in some dairy in there the Messiah in Africa in that book western price book he talks about how they pretty much just live off the cow they milk drink the milk you know they even bathe in the urine interestingly enough and when the cows old they eat it and they have occasional you know does that mean they're running for president that they're running hey there you go yeah you know I'm talking about anyway you could get him a shirt stories from Russia believe it or not my first protein products like 10 plus years ago when I was running bulletproof I wanted to call it messiah mix but not enough people knew that it was a mixture of constant of grass fed whey protein concentrate and something called albumin or blood serum albumin what it was actually the the really high availability proteins from cow blood like albumin is what you get during a transfusion of blood like it it's a very high nutrient thing it's what the messiah were getting by drinking blood yeah they tap the neck of the cow it was a mixture of of those two proteins and people like athletes probably it's we're buying it going what is going on here this is amazing and I think most of that stuff is hard to get now because they're trying to buy it and then use it as the growth medium to grow cruelty free cultured meat products you guys realize if you're taking a blood product from cows and then growing cruelty free fake burgers they're they're still have animals in them but that's why there's a shortage of albumin right now do you ever recommend drinking blood like because I have my own form do you take the chicken blood the pigs cows you you know pig blood can have a lot of pathogens in it especially wild pigs I would be careful on that in fact I talk a lot about mycotoxins and and things like that and it mycotoxins come from mold in food molding coffee is a big thing I have a new coffee brand that's working with mold in a different way and and there's all this stuff so pig liver is tied to cancer of the kidneys because of the same toxin that's present in coffee and beer and wine if it's not properly processed so I would I would avoid that from pigs although pigs if they're well fed can be really good for you it's possible to turn the blood into blood pie and all that stuff and it's probably really good for you it's not a shit lens in all that stuff yeah it's not a practice that I do but it's biologically it's a good idea it's just like it's where you go to buy blood these days you know I you know what are you gonna keep a you know it just doesn't seem to make sense from a business process perspective like there isn't a slaughterhouse that collects the blood and then sells it in a clean way she's just trying to get raw dairy in half the states is a problem just try imagine getting you know cow blood to make I didn't even know you cook it cow cow pies doesn't sound very good yeah the messiah I think they put a little tap in the neck of their cows and just kind of keep the cow alive and they just keep drinking the blood you know that is incredibly efficient I kind of like that I'm gonna get you a cow for your birthday I had three cows on my so in Canada I had an organic regenerative farms we had three cows 25 sheep 25 pigs and a whole bunch of chickens and you man you can grow amazing vegetables when you have animals present and when there's no animals soil barely works it's one of the reasons that I have this this new book I'm smarter not harder I get to wave it around because you know yeah show the book I was reading it on the airplane nice all my life it's why in that early chapter we talk about minerals right because look you can eat all the plants in the world if they're from unhealthy soil you don't get the minerals you need and then you're wondering why your workouts don't create results why you're tired all the time why your meditation doesn't work well if your body doesn't have whatever trace mineral you needed in order to actually complete the command you told it to do you're gonna just feel anxiety instead of transforming and evolving that's why i'm danger coffee my new brand of coffee has a huge amount of trace minerals in it because plant foods take minerals out of the body they're not sources of minerals that are useful for the most part and animal foods put minerals in the body now I just triggered a bunch of vegans guys I'll just be real blunt about it if you have sex and there's a condom in the way you don't get pregnant plant minerals have chemical condoms on them so they can't enter yourselves it's the same idea you it went in but you weren't allowed to use it right like that's the the simplest way I can picture it where people really get it because plants don't have minerals for us to eat they have a huge way of sucking minerals out of our body so that if we eat very many plants we become weak and then we die and the plants don't it's it's a delicate balance in nature but I see these poor people like I was I was a raw vegan and it really really trashed my health I cracked teeth I got autoimmune issues thyroid issues and I was a very well educated the guy I could sprout and blend and all that kind of stuff juice bottom line is plants have minerals that are bound up by things that mean you can't use the minerals so the fact that someone tells you spinach has iron they never tell you that 1.7% of the iron is absorbable so when you go to the desert island example give me the meat and give me a carb that's easy to digest and I'm good to go yeah I actually this mineral thing is very interesting when I was a teenager I went and I was Joel Salaton's first apprentice on his farm and I love Joel yeah I was I lived with the Amish for a couple years the first thing you learn and I have farms now that are actually in the middle of Amish community and one of them's next to Joel Salaton's farm and people don't understand you know the most fertile places in the world are these glacier soils these glaciated soils that's actually what happened in the Midwest the United States it happened in some of the scatua even the Ukraine Argentina some of Scandinavia Norway but so Joel used to always say a plant isn't a plant isn't a plant like people think oh eat tomatoes they're healthy for you but it's that mineralization you know and you see that in cows if you run cows on soil where the grass has been mineralized you put seaweed on it you put compost the cows look better I was in southern Chile which is one of the most fertile places because of volcanoes the cows literally don't even look like the same species they're so it's just insane it's totally true so I'm glad you're talking about so let me ask you this go last question on the desert island um are you so your take is there's no you're not bringing kale with you you're not bringing spinach you're letting the cows eat that and you're eating the cows honestly you'd have to be insane to choose those as your foods because there's no calories in them right you could you could eat 40 worth of kale you'll be stuffed and you'll be hungry kale is more expensive than grass-fed ribeye because it's like 50 calories for a bunch of bitter crunchy shit and it it's not good for you sure it has some polyphenols that you could get from green tea or from arugula which don't have all of the negative things that kale and spinach have so if someone picks those it's not because they're a bad person it's because they believe something that is not actually real the reason I wrote smarter not harder is that I believe that working hard and exercising was going to get me results when I weighed 300 pounds I'm 23 so I'm gonna lose it went to the gym six days a week 90 minutes every day without fail I did it for 18 months straight even if I was sick no matter what was going on my life top priority end of all of that working out 702 hours in the gym I still weighed 300 pounds and I still had a 46 inch waist but I could max out all the machines at the gym except for two so I worked hard I didn't get results the obvious answer is I didn't work hard enough I should have eaten less I was on a semi-vegetarian diet I was on a low fat diet and a low calorie diet because everyone said that's what you do work hard suffer it doesn't work if I'd had smarter not harder at that time I would have saved about 650 hours and I would have lost all the weight working hard doesn't get results that's a false belief instilled in you by churches by teachers by coaches and by people afraid of the fact that our biology is lazy and if we're not in charge of ourselves we are wired by Mother Nature to lay on a couch to make sure we don't use too much energy that's not acceptable behavior there is nothing that says working hard creates results nothing whatsoever it's a religious belief you might as well use the tools that work best and then you don't have to work so hard you get better results and you can also work hard and use the tools to work best and you could I don't know build a hundred million dollar company five New York Times bestsellers you know hundreds of millions of podcasts downloads I don't know maybe I just work really hard or maybe I'm just lazy I'm lazy I use the tools to work best and I want people to do that and there's five categories and I didn't make these up these are from eight years of running the world's first biohacking facility you've probably been there the one in Santa Monica it's called the upgrade labs and it's underneath Arnold Schwarzenegger's office and people who go in there celebrities pro athletes and just people in Santa Monica and we look at you all right what is it that you're here for and it turns out health is not it sometimes it's I want weight I want weights going I want muscle sometimes I want cardio sometimes my top goals I want my brain back I want my energy back and I want I want to have pants that fail like I don't lose weight and sometimes I want to know how to manage stress so I'm less anxious and I'm more resilient each of those is a discreet and separate goal we figure out where you want to go and then we tell you the tech to use in the right order to get there in the least amount of time and when you read smarter or harder I tell you to do that at home and it's sometimes a tiny fraction of the time and it's almost embarrassingly better than what you've been doing today yeah let me ask you this on the new book you've written lots of books and by the way if you go to Tai Lopez comm slash Dave aspirin it'll take you to the book link to buy the book Tai Lopez comm slash Dave aspirin but Dave so let me ask you this there's a huge biohacking community you're one of the big names in it in your book what's the most controversial take you have that even people in your community are having issue with if any some people are still trying to say kale's good for you and I'm just like guys stop right there are worse foods for you but it's nowhere near a superfood so that's controversial for some people but really the most controversial thing of all is when I say that hard work doesn't get results like if you're guys I really respect guys I've interviewed um like Jaco right Jaco's a stud like he works his ass off every morning right uh David Goggins same thing like I respect the grit these guys have the point here though is what if they had the same results in 10 minutes instead of two hours a day do you think that's possible that you can get that that similar result in much less time than these guys expend the Draco's I don't just think it is I know it is every time I see someone out there running out the miles I just want to I just want to throw up in my mouth a little bit here's why let me let me just lay it out three studies from the university Colorado support and I'm saying here option one you decide you want to get cardiovascular endurance you're going to get in shape so you sign up for a spin class it's an hour a day five days a week okay you got to drive there you got to put on stretchy clothes you got to listen to Katy Perry or whatever um you know whatever music they're playing and like someone yells at you and tells you to pedal a lot and then you pedal a lot because you know that you'll feel shame if other people see you resting so there's how you motivate yourself great life okay then you take a shower when you're done and maybe get some endorphins and all right so you do this for two months straight you spent five hours a week so that's 40 hours plus cleanup time pedaling a bike you're going to get 2 improvement in and vo2 max which is your measurement of cardiovascular function okay if you were to do what I talk about in the book you would do five minutes three times a week and during that five minutes only 40 seconds is hard the rest of it is actually so easy it's boring so we're talking about 15 minutes a week times eight so that's two hours versus 40 hours it's 20 times less work if you did that what do you think your vo2 max improvement would be you got two percent when you put in 40 hours of hard work how about 20 percent it's 12 percent 12 but think about this you spent two hours instead of 40 hours and you got 12 percent it's insane so why are we fetishizing getting up at five in the morning and running for an hour I don't understand it there is merit in actually experiencing pain every day humans have been doing this for a long time because a brief exposure to pain even once a week changes dopamine sensitivity this is one of the many reasons ice baths are useful if you take a cold shower do an ice bath you've got to change a dopamine signaling you're fine you don't have to run for an hour so if running for an hour every day gets you two percent and sitting on an AI charged bicycle at upgrade labs or doing the stuff that I teach you to do in the book well geez maybe you ought to do that instead of the suffering route yes we are strong enough to suffer if you're going to choose to suffer which is actually okay choose to suffer on the things that get you the most results right like overthrow a tyrant or something suffer that way don't really like running around in circles on a track that's stupid you're gonna run for president Dave fuck no too smart for that I like to get things done so let me ask you this is this a little bit what do you think of tim ferris his four-hour body because this sounds he kind of had the similar thesis I don't know if his methods were similar to yours well what's your take on what he said his methods were we're not biohacking I I'm a fan of Tim he's been on my show a couple times and he would do things in far by like if you want to learn how to swim here's a technique to learn how to swim right if you want to learn how to do this do it in a certain way right and there is definitely an effectiveness to this but if I mean if I was to compare that stuff and he thinks like a kettlebell get ups like like these a Turkish push up the kind of thing those are cool but those are based on the same thing exercise has always been there is run away from tigers or pick up rocks and what we did is we concentrated the rocks into kettlebells and yes there are fancy ways to pick up rocks that will put different muscles on than others like kettlebell swings are legit right but they're not as legit as running an electrical current over your ass or doing the other things in here like what we do at upgrade labs the the cheat machine which is one where you you have an AI system resisting you not gravity and in the book are you doing this on Instagram it was like you were doing a workout and you had electrodes yeah and you were saying it's lightweight but the electrodes make it hard is that the concept oh my god I've had walls of muscle like cry uncle from electrodes and that's one of the many things so there's all these pathways to send a signal into the body and there's a new principle in this book that's not in any other book and I think it's something that we're going to prove out more and more and it I call it slope of the curve biology which is a terrible name if you're in marketing but that's okay I have other parts of marketing that I do what what this is is the idea is that we believe that working hard the amount of work we do makes us get results and makes us good moral human beings the reality is that your is that your your moral status has nothing to do with how hard you work yeah and results have more to do with the shape of the signal not the amount of work you do if you want to change your brain you want to change your cardiovascular system or you want to change your muscle what matters is how quickly you can bring on the stress and how quickly you can turn off the stress your body will change if it has an extreme stress in a short period of time and then as soon as it turns off you meditate you bring your heart rate back down you chill out and the reason for this goes back to real basic biology you will see in a zebra you see national geographic lion almost eats a zebra zebra gets away as soon as the lion's gone the zebra shakes its whole body and that's an adrenaline dump and then the zebra starts eating grass now what we do is we go to that same spin class and we say oh look at we climb to hill a tiger almost caught us that's what your body thinks because your body's dumb and it's fast and you're smart and slow and well okay tiger almost got you no problem but then you keep running because now you're running a 50 percent and there's another hill you got to go up that one there's another hill so you're telling your body a tiger almost caught me but it's still hunting me for a whole hour and the tiger might look you know like someone in spandex but it doesn't matter because your body's dumb it just knows that it has the physiological pattern of someone being chased and it's going to allocate resources to survival not to transformation and that's why you get a two percent improvement from that model but if instead like okay i did my 220 second sprints i got away from the tiger twice now i'm at peace and if you read the chapter on minerals or drinking your danger coffee uh you're eating enough protein from animals your body's just oh look i've got enough resources and i had a signal and i'm safe now i'm gonna build and and that's the thing and that works whether you're doing it for any of the big five things i'm talking about here it's take the body quickly to the edge of disequilibrium till it almost breaks and then back down you can use grit to say i took myself to the edge and i did it again and i ran a hundred miles and i squatted 10 000 times you're not helping you're showing yourself how tough you are but you're not causing the body to change in a way that's beneficial for you and that's the big message in the book i want you to get your time back i want you to get your energy back and i want to get revenge on that 702 hours of time i spent in the gym when it didn't work i believed that hard work mattered and people can say dave shame on you you're lazy i'm going to make fun of you yes you may make fun of me dude look at my success okay i am i'm actually i am a lazy person i'm super lazy come to think of it i do as little as i can possibly get away with to achieve the results i want i just want a lot of results so i'm willing to do the work right but it's a very different mindset then i'm just gonna power through it i can suffer dude i can take it i still want to right and that's okay you're wired that way so every ounce of energy you spend it's sacred don't waste it let's say somebody follows this they only need to work out two hours a day what's your take on hopefully you don't mean a day you mean two hours a week a week on it my bad what what should that was two hours over two months for cardio by the way oh really half hour a week actually sorry no it was only yeah 15 minutes a week is all i was talking about but yeah that's just for cardio if you want muscles you know the 10 minutes maybe so what do people do the rest of the time do you right by the way how do you work when you're on your laptop are you sitting laying treadmill desks what's your thing when you gotta be i mean inevitably we're both sitting right now but what do you recommend i think it depends on your physiology i've had a standing desk for years when i moved to austin i actually couldn't fit the bottom of the standing desk in the truck and i was tired of it anyway so i left it and uh so i'm sitting now in an air on chair but i have a whole body vibration plate right behind here i have a monitor that's oh about three feet away from me and behind it about six feet away from me i have a big monitor so right now when i'm looking at you you're on a screen six feet away and my notes for you are right underneath my monitor right here so if i look at there i'm looking at one screen out there i'm looking at another screen so i'm more worried about the angle of the screens and the fact that i have to change my focal depth all the time to work on two screens two screens next to each other's inferior if you're doing this versus where one's in the front one's in the back and i do that and then right behind that monitor i can look at and see trees 200 yards away i don't need reading glasses i don't need glasses at all my vision is 2015 i am biologically 39 and i'm chronologically 50 that's a great well we got it you just said a lot but so is this thing of having two focuses pretty important for eye health it's terribly important and most people are missing it yeah that's a great idea i don't know why i haven't heard that before you know i i've tried a standing desk i don't standing desk i feel like humans weren't meant to have locked knees so i like i like a treadmill desk sent real slow you know are you a fan of 10 thousand the 10 000 step rule or do you think it's uh let me tell you about 10 000 steps all right i want to hear i was cto and co-founder of the first fitness watch company that could get heart rate from your wrist the way your apple watch does today companies called basis we're based in um san francisco and we sold it to intel a long time ago for like a hundred million dollars so i've studied this a lot and we could tell you your sleep all the kind of stuff that your aura ring and everything could do now but we're the first so i i did my research on 10 000 steps you want to guess what i came from i'm i'm worried to guess all right former president no nice a japanese company in the 1950s and invented the first pedometer to count your steps okay so they made up 10 000 so they could sell their dumb little belt mounted pedometers there was no science behind it ever and ever since then we've been just saying that same stupid 10 000 step rule over and over and over there is no 10 000 step rule it is entirely not science-based you just feel like you're a good person if you do it because someone told you good boy you walked 10 000 steps now is walking a meaningful number of steps good for you because of piezoelectric effects and lymphatic circulation buddy sure you should walk for 20 minutes a day i do whole body vibration sometimes i walk to it depends on the weather that's good for you but it's not exercise and walking 10 000 steps which actually takes a lot of time probably isn't doing you much good if you love it and you're getting a tan and you're talking you know with a close friend and it's a social activity go for a hike in the andes i have but don't think you have to do it every day if what you really want to do was invent some cool thing maybe you could get it done and then go invent the cool thing and and have both that just seems more valuable to me so no 10 000 isn't useful people eat more when they walk 10 000 miles a day there's studies of that same with standing desks if you have a treadmill desk or you stand on a desk you just eat more calories your body will do that for you automatically so should you stand if it's comfortable yes ideally you have a combination of sitting and standing all day long and you walk at least a little bit every hour right behind my monitor there's a whole body vibration i stand on it for a minute or two which stimulates whole bodies if i'd walked 30 steps every second oh it's as interesting we're hitting all kinds of uh you're busting all kind of bubbles here what about the protein bubble how many grams do you think let's say somebody's getting from good animal sources your book talks about the importance of this what are you a one gram per pound of body weight type person what's your kind of take well just the most important thing you said there you kind of glossed over proteins are not all the same so you cannot say that you know your brown rice protein or nine grams of gluten protein in your in your protein bar is the same as animal protein that's something big food's trying to do to convince you to eat peasant food and pay for it like it's real food so you you definitely hit on that which i appreciate then it comes down to even with animal protein what is your goal if your goal is longevity and you're doing radical life extension stuff like me there's a body of evidence that says 0.6 grams of high quality animal protein per day on average would work but the way you would do that is on the day when you're eating you would eat one to one point two grams of protein per pound of body weight and on the days when you're intermittent fasting you'd have none so it averages out to 0.6 if you're in a i want to build mass on the body then you're going to need at least a gram per pound of body weight and i'm talking good quality protein and you're gonna have to take an enzyme with it in order to digest it all the way so you don't get like ammonia um bodybuilder farts because that's not attractive let's go into that whatever you need a chapter on that how to avoid ammonia farts you know i kind of go i i base kind of this evolutionary science on this hunter-gatherer framework so like hunter a lot of what you're saying kind of jives with that hunter-gatherers would hunt and then they would lay down and rest a lot they were getting animal protein i just read the newest sciences they were getting about 50% animal proteins and then they were getting 50% from gathering you know tubers and berries and nuts and things um but this question you know evolutionary mismatch we live in a different world we've got wi-fi we've got you know these i've got the blue blocker glasses on because you've got the light coming in you've got what they call social jet lag where people aren't sleeping well i found in tracking my own body and i want to talk about this because i know you touch on this in your book in the concept of rest and sleep like what's your take on sleep you've had controversial takes on kaol and and how many hours a day to do cardio do you agree with this eight hours of sleep obviously there's different quality sleep but what's kind of the rule of thumb you try to build around especially let's take life extension what are you trying to hibernate 10 hours a day are you trying to do the you know donald trump and all our sorcerers say they only need four hours of sleep like what's what's your what have you found in your body of work as a really successful silicon valley entrepreneur uh i always hated sleep uh the first part i'm like why do i need to do this what a pain in the ass i have more interesting things to do like literally i just have fun interesting challenges to solve and probably some work stress and you know addiction to work and all that kind of stuff so i was probably sleep deprived but then i started looking at quality of sleep instead of quantity of sleep and you have those same people like well you should walk 10 000 steps a day they don't tell you why and there is no reason why and then they say you should sleep eight hours a night and they don't tell you why because no one knows why and then they say and you should drink eight glasses of water a day but they can't tell you how big the glasses are this is just complete shortcut thinking our brains do that because they're trying to save electricity the same reason you want to lay on the couch instead of go work out is the same reason your brain makes intellectual shortcuts like that i don't approve of any of of those kinds of things when it comes to sleep we just look at the science the first big study where we collected enough data to look at length of sleep much less quality of sleep just length of sleep and how long you're going to live we collected the data in the 80s and there was so much data from 1.2 million people collected over three years they couldn't crunch the data on 1980s Commodore 64 computers so they had to wait until some time in the late 90s when we had cloud computing starting up in a data center and they crunched the numbers said holy crap it looks like the people who live the longest sleep six and a half hours a night and all cause mortality is higher for seven or eight hours or nine if you sleep nine hours a night you have a health problem you are probably sick right and if that's what you need to function you're on your on your way to chronic fatigue syndrome or maybe you're over training you really need that to recover i don't know but there is no evidence that says eight hours is some magic number there's also individual variability and the time when you go to sleep matters greatly because that controls your growth hormone release versus your dream state and when you look at all this stuff what i've did in a previous book is i talked about you know how do you want to do it what you want to do is get as much sleep as you need in order to get 90 minutes of deep sleep and 90 minutes of REM sleep and i do that reliably on six and a half hours and i've done i've tracked my sleep for more than 15 years i used to wear a headband and everything for it it just it works and for people who are interested sleepwithdave.com is the funniest URL of my life everything i know about sleep is free on that side like people ask me this all the time i am i am like a preeminent sleep hacker that's what i do so it also makes me laugh every time i say it i like that sleepwithdave.com i'm kind of hitting on all the the things that i consider important let's talk about sex now what's your goal to live how long i'm gonna live to at least 180 but the real goal i'd like to die at a time and by a method of my choice okay i'll live to 180 if i want to and when i do that i would like to look and feel about like i do now or better sex function do you think is your goal you'll be able to still have relatively normal sex past age 100 you think that's a doable possible goal i think it's a limited goal relatively possibly normal no i just want to have normal sex thank you okay normal but most people are most guys are stopping it 75 let's say i'm talking about really good sex there's all kinds of rejuvenation dude i've had stem cells injected in my what can i say on your show can you say whatever you want it's uh i've had stem cells injected in my dick you can do that it works did you notice a difference yeah between that and some of the other stuff i've talked about on the show there's about an inch and a half difference i noticed it's only 10 but you need an inch and a how about inch and a half with dave.com that will get traffic i'm working on a show about that but and like this is like the douchiest thing you can ever do is brag about dick size so you're gonna have to i'm just talking about the functionality do you feel like people i'm telling you i'm telling you the stuff that improves function will change the size and then that's just to tie it i i don't know how else to just say it without saying it and yes this is like socially sociologically you're not supposed to i'm not bragging i'm just telling you like someone has to say it so yeah it is malleable you can control blood flow you can take things like nitric oxide that will increase blood flow there is absolutely no reason that 70 year olds cannot be dating 36 year olds if they want to how do i know this because an 88 year old on my board of directors when i'm in my 20s this guy had more energy than i did after his wife passed away he had a 36 year old girlfriend and they actually were in love and they had energy that was compatible not like the dirty old man thing his name was mike i've seen it what was his what was he doing everything that's in the book what was but he and other people his age who are three times my age taught me everything they were doing for anti-aging i'm passing the baton on from those guys man is part of that the calorie restriction i know there's been a lot of data with the mice and living longer with calorie restriction you is it more intermittent fasting then are you going day two so day one you said you get one gram of protein from good animal sources day two do you stretch out is there no intermittent fasting except every other day or is it lessened or lengthened on the short versus long days all right so i have a whole book on intermittent fasting i'll fast this way where i really go into detail in this so the reality is that if you're tired or you lifted heavy you probably don't want to do a long fast just fast more than 12 hours you'll get benefits so maybe that's a 14 hour fast that day and then the next day you didn't push yourself real hard so and you're you're recharged so maybe that's a 23 hour fast just wait till dinner right so it doesn't need to be the same and it probably shouldn't be the same every day and also you look at okay how long am i going to be in in a heightened state before i get into a stress state and people who do intermittent fasting understand maybe at two in the afternoon you start getting a little bit like angry or anxious or a little bit cranky right well you just hit your fasting limit right your body is starting to feel as i said you probably should eat then and work on stretching it just a little bit versus just like sitting there being all pissed off and kind of defocus because your body couldn't handle it the right way so you can uh you can work on that but for for putting on muscle you're going to to eat more protein and for anti-aging you're going to have to do some intermittent fasting like those are the two sides of the coin how much of an actual experiment station like you have in Santa Monica is needed your book talks about how to do this in your living room to live to 180 are people going to realistically be able to do that with things they can put in their living room or do they need to come to a place like you have fairly often well i'm opening upgrade labs across the country right now we've got a couple dozen in process it's a franchise go to own and upgrade labs dot com you can open a biohacking facility in your neighborhood we're doing across the US and Canada to start and if you want to a whole country license somewhere else we can talk to you but i can do individual franchises in other countries because of legal stuff so it's it's an interesting interesting perspective where you're thinking oh i probably will have access to one of these facilities but if not every single thing and smarter not harder when you buy the book i tell you here's the free version based on new knowledge here's the relatively cheap version and here's the crazy billionaire version and my job is to test the crazy billionaire stuff and then take the stuff that's worth it and not all of it is worth it and then i put it in upgrade labs and then you pay a monthly fee like you would at the gym the difference is you actually use it and it works all the gyms today are based on a real simple idea you're going to buy a membership and then your meat operating system that part of you that's lazy that keeps you alive it's going to keep you from going people spend four hundred million dollars a year on gem memberships called ghost memberships they never go but your conscious brand knows that it you're a good person if you mean to go and your body's like haha i got pizza and couches you have no chance and then the body wins and you feel bad about yourself so what i believe is going to happen is that this knowledge will it'll take about 10 years and when i introduce stuff like in the bulletproof diet about lectins and oxalates and omega sixes and all that stuff in order to bring that into the world to biohacking and move the knowledge forward to the point that everyone's saying the same thing it takes a while just for like the echo chamber there's going to people come in they're going to copy this podcast there's already someone right now rewriting smarter not harder and putting their own name on it like this is kind of how all health influencers are unless unless you're talking about some new concepts like slope of the curve biology that that is not that is not that didn't exist until this book but you're going to see a bunch of people writing about it over the next five years and it'll slowly make its way into society and so within 10 years there should be at least a thousand locations for upgrade labs and this knowledge will be there so there'll be some new device in your house that we haven't even thought of yet that's going to let you take advantage of the principles send a signal into the body to make it change and then make the body calm and then you can change in a small amount of time this will free up human effort to do things that matter more like ask chat GPT dumb questions in the book you know you talk about the different levels you can go billionaire level and you can go what's the simplest for somebody listening they're buying the smarter not harder what's the simplest device or piece of equipment or furniture you can put in your house the average person can afford to put in their house that's a game changer you know I would recommend if you really want like a big bio hack for the dollar it's a piece of equipment called a trism and the company is called true light this is a company I founded so I have a bias here but this is the only four color light spectrum device it's very thin but it's got four times more power than other things on the market so you get this thing it's portable it's about oh I don't know four feet long three and a half feet long and 14 inches wide and you can put this thing over any part of your body or really your entire body and red and infrared light and amber lights have a really strong signaling effect to improve cellular metabolism they can affect electron flow inside your cells they can affect inflammation they can affect pain they can affect digestion and sleep so I travel with one of these things and it's also something that raises nitric oxide so if you're worried about being 75 and not having enough nitric oxide which would mean not enough blood flow which would mean that your erections don't work you can lay down before bed put it from your knees to your neck and you're going to get a nice dose of red and infrared and then you're going to wake up in the morning this is why I see you on social doing I've seen some of your posts you've got like a red aura around you you're not in hell this will I have never looking up with the kickstand on social I just want to be really clear if you have um you might lose your verify badge you might get a new or why don't you do a kickstand with Dave.com I like these various micro websites with Dave take your most controversial hacks oh I've registered I've registered tons of them yeah so but but that's the light this is this infrared is this cellular repair at like a micro level is that's what's happening there's different frequencies in the lights and frequency just colors of light infrared light changes how thick or thin water is water can be kind of goopy like jello or it can be really really liquid it's called viscosity so infrared light changes water's viscosity so that the water can be used in biological processes when you drink a glass of water your body can't use that water so it takes the water it holds it up against cell membranes made out of fats it warms it up with infrared light that's called body heat and then after it's been there for a little while the water forms an exclusion zone and that exclusion zone water is the basis of life now you could say Dave I took my algae that's BS well I gave $50,000 to the University of Washington where Gerald Pollock did this work and published multiple papers over years on exclusions on water and you can see it on a microscope so it's real and infrared light forms better exclusions on water which means your body can more easily make electricity via ATP production red light adds electrons to the body so you actually can get some energy directly from the red light kind of like a plant but not that much energy but it it reduces inflammation in cells so cells work better they're less inflamed and they have better water for energy production yeah by the way for those of you listening go to tidalopiz.com slash Dave Asprey podcast don't forget the word podcast I'm going to put the show notes and I'm going to put the link to his book and his other books I've read some of your other ones uh I think superhuman is the first one I read of yours so before we get into the health stuff you're also a very successful businessman what do you think because we're going to talk on all these bio hacks for the body and protein and all this but whatever you found for forget physical for a second making money what is the greatest hack for you is it waking up at five in the morning is it a serve routine is it a mentor is it a book do you follow a discipline what's kind of the thing that's allowed you to build you know nine figure businesses all right tight it is exactly the same thing that's in smarter not harder the new book it's being lazy here's the thing anything that sucks your energy pay someone else to do it anything that gives you more energy than it takes to do it do that and don't do anything else that's the recipe I don't care when you wake up wake up at the time where you feel best just because someone wakes up at five a.m. and and you know sweats or fasts or does whatever what makes you think that that is why they're successful instead of the fact that they had successful parents or didn't have successful parents there is no causation between those behaviors and we all love to fetishize well Elon Musk does this or does that Elon Musk is a different person the whole point of smarter not harder is to measure where you are now look at what goals you have right and then take the technologies the tools that get you there fastest when I was young I realized I sucked at project management I'm working for a company called three common big tech company in the time and I realized I just sucked at this so I said I'm going to become strong at the thing that I suck at I suck at project management because it makes me tired I hate it so I decided that I would address my weaknesses and then I finally figured out after making and losing six million dollars by the time I'm 28 that maybe if I just did the stuff that I really naturally did that gave me energy and power and I just asked for help on the stuff that where I sucked I would become more effective I am lazy I have people do the hard stuff the stuff it's hard for me but for them it's not hard for them it's easy and they love it and there are people who wake up with the green visor and they just love counting beans I don't understand them they're not my people the ones who work for me are awesome I just don't know how they do it right and they don't know how I name products or how I do the evangelist stuff I do or how I innovate but I don't know I won an award from from Forbes or starting one of the 25 most innovative countries I won an award from Forbes for starting one of the 25 most innovative companies in the country right that's because I'm lazy it's not because I work hard by the way I also work hard but when I am going to work hard I use the most effective tool on the planet and I do the things that I am good at and I don't do other people's jobs that's how you make money I don't know what you think about Bill Gates but there's one thing he said that I think most people would agree on he said when I have something important to do I look for a lazy person because they'll find a more efficient way to get it done you know I very much like that you were asking about crazy stuff I actually knew Bill Gates before I was born my mom truly was the first employee of the company that became Microsoft so when she was pregnant with me she worked for Ed Roberts Paul Allen and Bill Gates in and literally one of the founders of Microsoft bought my crib how weird is that that is insane that's the Seattle connection you have or no no actually that was Albuquerque so Mitz was a company in Albuquerque and when Bill realized he was gonna have to pay state taxes they moved to Seattle to avoid taxes as before they did that but a little bit a little bit of trivia there so Bill Gates the other thing that that he did yeah look for someone lazy brilliant piece of advice the other thing that that really if you want to get super rich you should look into is monopoly powers and using charities as a way to dodge taxes and then say you're donating money while keeping it in your pocket and controlling companies and then using that money to control public policies that puts money in your pocket I've heard that works but maybe that was more Rockefeller who taught it to him just saying that Rockefeller and various presidents recently by the way do you do you say what your political affiliation is or do you I don't have a political affiliation so why would I vote in a tribe both tribes are wrong about some things I only care about individual things and I'm going to just be real super blunt here if voting changed anything they would make it illegal they made it illegal to leave your house you think they're going to let you vote if it's going to change something of course they're not so why pretend it's as important who you vote for as it is who you root for in the Super Bowl it doesn't change anything well with that said now now I really pissed everyone off oh man yeah the illusion of control is very addictive but if you live into 100 and you've got insights now what do you think let me ask you this is a kind of esoteric question because I remember when I was a little kid I was about eight my mom was walking through the room and I said mom come watch these cartoons and she said oh I don't like cartoons I said why she said well when you're older Ty you'll stop liking cartoons and I said to her mom I'll always love cartoons but eventually you don't love them so it's hard to know what a current belief you have now is that eventually you'll think is childish when you're 180 that's you know you're a hundred years older than you are now do you think there's a danger in living that long because you'll look back and be like I wasted this I was like a child you know one to 80 years old what we can currently consider old will be nothing you know 80 will be a mid 20 year old essentially one of the things that's given me an unfair advantage in in my entire career including in Silicon Valley you know where I was a co-founder of a part of the company that that was worth 36 billion dollars on the public markets the business you know that helped us start did a hundred million a quarter before I was 26 years old right so I I really did this but I didn't do all that stuff because I'm a super genius here I'm smart it's because I was just lucky that mentors showed up people who are like 20 and 30 years older than me would tell me what to do and even though I was kind of an arrogant punk I would at least copy the most effective things and the reason I can do biohacking I learned biohacking by spending five years with people three times my age who've been working on it for decades of their lives and they they handed it to me so what am I what am I going to do when I'm 100 well I'll be talking if there are any to people who are older than me hopefully I'll bring some people along with me but as you as you age your job is to always have friends 20 years older or more and 20 years younger or more and you want to be really successful find someone who spent 30 years climbing the ladder in corporate America and became in charge of a big part of a business or was a CEO who's retired and you know what have coffee with them and say what did you know that person will give you 10 years of acceleration on your career and they'll do it because it feels good to help someone right so you're actually offering them a gift I didn't understand this until I was about 30 they want to help no one wants you to suffer the way they suffered the reason I write my books if someone had just handed me smarter not harder when I was 19 years old and I was fat I was in pain all the time I had brain fog and chronic fatigue I could have just read this thing it would have taken me like 50 hours instead of 702 hours and I wouldn't have spent all that money on size 46 inch pants like it would have radically changed my brain in my life the knowledge wasn't there so I write the books for someone who's 19 who just needs to know how shit works because if you do that you can do way more than you ever thought you could and what do I do now I have friends who are in their 20s and 30s and I saw friends who were in their 80s because that shows me where I am and it shows me where I can go and it still saves me time there will be a time when I'm the oldest person maybe on the planet I hope I'm not I hope there's always someone older than me when that happens hopefully there'll be a great source of knowledge for younger people and I can be like remember the last three times the government tried to steal all your rights I do let's stop them this time everything will be there's nothing new under the sun well by the way in your book and just kind of in your bio something that's set out to me that's somewhat related to what we're talking about now you raise your IQ what's the bio pack process my over 20 points which is that is a lot for people who understand you know statistics on you know the Stanford-Benet IQ test the average person's 100 some people say they're 200 but to move 20 is to move standard deviations what what was it literal physical things you did or a combination of physical were you speed reading or you're doing electrodes on the brain what what helped the brain well it's a variety of things but as Daniel Aiman says in my my documentary on mold you actually if you're running at low mitochondrial function there's your your brain needs electricity you're not making enough electricity you can gain IQ points just by having functioning cell membranes because now you can make enough electricity so I was coming from behind because I had really serious brain damage from toxic mold I fixed it and I repaired it that was probably 10 IQ points but then there's another thing and I've written about this especially my book headstrong where I talk about a kind of training that doubles your working memory so working memory is how many numbers or letters or objects you can remember at a time and this is really frustrating computerized training and you do that the average person gains about 12 points from doing just that on top of it I run a neuroscience institute called 40 years as in that's done brain upgrades for 1500 entrepreneurs and celebrities and pro athletes and stuff like that it's in Seattle takes five days we hook your brain up to a computer and we remove a lot of the notifications that go off in your brain there's a chapter in smarter now harder which is towards the end else if I can find exactly which number it is and it's is it chapter 12 next level upgrade that might be it it's the one yep I think that's it what what I'm talking about in there is actually brain upgrades what what are the technologies that you can do today you can train yourself with feedback to move blood to the front of your brain where your thinking happens if you have that skill you will measurably change your score on tests of ADHD so you can turn off ADHD by teaching yourself to put more blood where thinking happens I almost failed out of Wharton because I couldn't do that when you're at 40 years as in we actually can increase voltage in the brain we can make neurons fire faster or slower we can connect parts of the brain that are disconnected it's like taking your BMW into the dyno mechanic and you have a racing BMW when you come out you can do that to your brain I've done all of it we have seven patents behind what we're doing like it's a real thing the two biggest things to raising your IQ are raising mitochondrial functions you have more power and then raising something called BDNF which is brain-derived neutropic factor and there's a and I've written a whole book about how to do it is the New York Times monthly science specialist headstrong is that book but if you just read the chapter in smarter not harder on brains you're going to get all the tools in order and every chapter is the same here's all the stuff better than what you think you can do for brain training it's crossword puzzles is the current best standard or Sudoku or some crap wordly or wordable whatever that stuff is that's mildly not going to do it from there I just tell you here's all the stuff that lets you take control of your brain in small amounts of time so it does what you want it's all I want you to have I believe that when people have enough energy and their brains are working right that we're wired to be nice to each other we're also entirely impossible to program so if you want to build a peaceful world you need people full of danger people are untrainable they do what's right they do what they choose they do not do what they're told and that's why my coffee company is called Danger Coffee people running at their full power will always help each other will stop our car will help the lady across the street will rescue the puppy and will be nice and if instead you just have us all you're tired and be down and malnourished eating fake burgers running in circles around a track until we drop because we think it makes us better people I don't think that creates the kind of world I want to live in yeah for I think that's chapter I was actually looking back at the book chapter nine brain and neuro a hack target brain and neuro there you go it wasn't chapter 12 I told people the wrong but tidalopis.com slash Dave Asprey podcast will have the show notes will have links to the book will have links to the different products and for those who wanted to franchise Dave's got a new franchise for his bio hacking labs what do you think speaking of the brain like you're talking about here in in chapter nine of the new book what do you think of kind of Elon Musk's this company where it's transferring consciousness right or neuro link I mean there's different kind of angles to this but one of these people are going to prolong their life by just taking their consciousness and sticking it in a younger body is that going to ever happen is this realistic in our in the next hundred years I doubt it there's someone who has attempted a brain transplant yeah I just saw in the news there was a brain transplant recently it seems like a poor strategy the the much better strategy is learn how to upgrade the hardware you have now before you replace it and learn how to selectively replace hardware in the body there are systems that repair everything in the body you just have to create the environmental conditions and the signal to do it and with peptides genomics even gene editing there's a very very bright future for you being able to tell your body to regenerate a certain part for instance I'm about to do a new procedure where I'm going to take my own stem cells out I'm going to de-age them and put them back in which is which is relatively new and then man there's there's so much coming down the pipe for that stuff so there's no reason that you shouldn't maintain your body as you go instead of throwing it away and getting into it like there's just a vampire blood stuff you did you see that validity to the young blood do they take young blood out of 18 to 25 year olds and you know essentially give people blood I've got two of them chained under the bed no I did write about this and there is there were no studies so there is really good mouse science that says if you take a young mouse blood and put it in old mice old mice get younger and vice versa what's going on is in the plasma of your blood the non-cell part of your blood the liquid there's a bunch of toxins in there so what I do now is I take my blood out I wash it and I put it back in okay it's a procedure called EBO they take your blood out using a dialysis filter they ozonate the blood the filter pulls out inflammatory compounds and extra proteins you don't need and then the blood goes back in clean there's another one that's more advanced that I'm about to do called plasmapheresis where they actually take out your plasma and replace it with clean fresh plasma and that again it's about just cleaning up the petri dish of your body one of the things that keeps you young is detoxing on a regular basis and if you're looking at a life from a smarter not harder perspective okay what is the thing that detoxes you most quickly or with the least amount of work that's what I want you to do the trap that we can fall into when we're high performance human beings is well I'm just going to spend all my time doing the things that give you results which means you never get results because you spend all your time exercising biohacking meditating making lists or doing whatever you think is going to get your results so you need to allocate what I do about 45 minutes a day of biohacking time I'm going to do something during the time to make myself better maybe it's this five minute cardio thing we're going to talk about maybe it's something that puts muscles on in 10 minutes maybe it's actually meditating or maybe it's putting electrodes on my head and meditating 10 times faster because the computer tells me I'm doing it wrong I'm just going to pick something and do it didn't have to be the same every day I'm not going to do everything every day I have other stuff to do so you I mean in many ways you're a you're a creator you're an inventor so is your idea this is my core passion I'm a creative I'm an I invent I pioneer and so I want to do all these other things and hence the title of the book smarter nor harder in a very smart way very concise I'm not get out you just sit in 45 plus you know 45 minutes a day and then what do you do the rest of the day are you spending time coming up with the next big thing like what what's the daily routine if you reduce everything to where you're not even needing to go to the gym or you don't need to jog or you don't you know what what keeps you busy I mean I have I have about a New York Times bestseller every 18 months it takes a couple thousand hours it's a full-time job to write one of those I have almost 1100 episodes of the human upgrade with hundreds of millions of downloads I do two episodes a week every week I live in Austin I'm single I have upgrade labs which is a major focus for me right now that's my next potentially billion dollar company where we're growing really rapidly with franchisees I'm all over the country people just wasn't even I can be in business making people better instead of selling them stuff that doesn't work I want to do that so upgrade labs is a major focus I've got dozens of people working for me across eight different companies and I have life and I have teenagers they don't look so what's single life in Austin like or what what's the when's the dating hack book it could also be called it should be called harder not smarter how about that one for the dating the story it might be nice yeah I don't know if I'm I find the expert on that let's just say that I'm I am not interested in a monogamous relationship anytime soon so I'm just enjoying being single and spending a lot of time with friends and just being social so it's a lot of fun so you got the Tony Stark type life huh you got the you got the biotech company yeah man I don't know I don't think I'm as cool as Robert Downey Jr but I at least eat steaks so actually I am cooler yeah he doesn't he looked better when he was eating no poor guy I just want to sit down with him and like have dinner like dude it's okay like the vegan thing it's one of the things smarter not harder it doesn't work like you have to measure whether I was a vegan I was a raw vegan like it trashed me it took me two years to heal from that and I you know I just don't understand it so I I understand the desire to do it it's just all of the reasons for doing that don't work and so I would just say what I want to do is I want to feel full energy full power every day I want to wake up with something meaningful to do I want to spend time with cool people who are exploring consciousness or exercise physiology or neuroscience or rocket science whatever is interesting and that's what I want to do I don't want to you know sit there and look at spreadsheets all day so that's what I choose to do is not do that it's good I like I like podcasts I like learning from people there's it's it's a never ending world of needing to learn inspired by other people's I'm inspired by creativity this kind of interview it's good for the interviewer for it's good for you it's good for me and that's why I do the same reason you do so I get to learn from experts like for free it's amazing so I always wrap up with two questions so question number one you lived 180 like you said you set the time and method when you choose to move on from this world and this life what do you want the celebration the gravestone what should it say about you uh nothing he was a what he was absolutely nothing I'm hoping that they chop me up in pieces and give me a Tibetan sky burial where birds eat me I don't give two people say about me after I die why would I care all I want is the changes that I've made the new knowledge I've introduced I would like those to live on I do not care if I'm associated with it who cares like read a history book like who named anyone who did something 400 years ago yeah I always say I don't care nothing if you remember 400 years ago I mean humans as a modern civilization let's say is 10 to 25 000 years named somebody from 12 000 years ago we're worrying about your headstone is it's like masturbation yeah it feels good but nothing productive happens at the end I can't believe he fucking froze for that no I got it I didn't freeze I heard it let me ask you the last question so you've got children let's say aliens are coming to earth and you're going to be pulled to mars to live out the rest of your 180 years uh what and you got time to write a paragraph for humanity and your children what does that paragraph say even though I agree it's not important you know you're not trying to live on in a vain egotistical way but what's that one paragraph not a page not a sentence but about a paragraph what does it say can be about life health business whatever you would be most important I would say pay attention to what Native Americans have said about seven generations down if you destroy your soil you're going to hate your life probably what I'd say because ultimately we do that all we're manifestations of stuff from the soil and if they keep doing glyphosate and atrazine and all the other crap they're spraying around well they distract us with carbon dioxide stuff we won't have to worry about seven generations from now so I would just say like those are the real important things you got to look at the long-term impact if we'd have done that there would be no plastic packaging right now that was from some guy in the late 50s who just said well this is cheap just never thinking about another generation or two and now we're eating that plastic in our fish so we've got to do some long-term thinking here and that's the thing the other thing I might say is something from smarter not harder it is I would just say there is an invisible consciousness inside of you that controls what you see in the world and it has a third of a second to take action so don't believe everything you feel pretty profound well thank you I want to encourage everybody listening I've enjoyed Dave Asprey's books over the years enjoyed meeting them back in 2014 in the garage and we're back with the nine-year reunion tylopez.com slash Dave Asprey podcast we'll have the link to his book on different platforms his platform Amazon audible and then show notes links to different uh he talked about a few pieces of equipment we'll put some links there so Dave my friend until we meet again I was in Austin not too long ago I will look you up next time you're there thanks ty