 I want you to give me, give an assessment of where we are in this battle about the future of energy. You've obviously had a huge impact, but the world seems to still be going against us. There is an energy crisis right now, and people are making a lot of really bad decisions. Our leaders are making a lot of really bad decisions, but as you said, it's an opportunity because people are thinking about these things. Give us an assessment of where we are and also how much of an impact you've had on intellectuals versus business people versus maybe policy people. I think of it as there are three big variables right now. You can think of it as the overwhelming anti-fossil fuel movement, the growing energy humanist movement, and then the current energy crisis. The overwhelming anti-fossil fuel movement, I think people are pretty aware of that, but basically you can think of it as the number one moral goal in the world today is rapidly eliminating fossil fuels. As evidenced by corporations say we're going net zero, which basically means rapidly eliminating fossil fuels, governments have all signed on to it. If you want status, just be anti-fossil fuels. I should say it's starting to change because of an energy crisis, but we'll get to that one in a second. That's a very bad sign, and that's been getting worse in many ways since moral case came out. The second thing, which is very promising, is what I'd call the burgeoning energy humanist movement. By energy humanist, I mean somebody who is thinking about energy and its impacts, a positive and negative, in a pro-human big picture way. I would put in that category me, Steve Kuhnen, Michael Schellenberger, Bjorn Lomborg, Matt Ridley, Robert Bryce, and more and more are coming up. What's been really interesting about that is that we've started to destroy this false alternative of either you believe that fossil fuels impact climate and you're against fossil fuels, or you don't believe they impact climate and so fossil fuels are okay. This false, you're either a believer or a denier in climate change, and that determines your position on fossil fuels. We've really changed it to, no, you have to look at the big picture, the full context. It's very possible that we could be impacting climate, that A, some of that could be good. In any case, B, that any negatives of that were far outweighed by the benefits of fossil fuels, including their amazing ability to protect us from climate by using machines to make it hot, to make it warm when we need it and cool when we need it and irrigate it, et cetera, et cetera. What's interesting about that is we've gotten, there have been many bestselling books in that school of thought. The Wall Street Journal, for example, has really picked that school of thought up. I mean they had at one point 11 things by Lomborg in a row in the lead to the COP26 climate thing last year. So, and of course we have somebody in Energy Humanities running for governor of California who's been featured widely and who's not apologetic about that at all. He's not apologetic even about his association with me, which I've told him, like, feel free to not, but he's like, no, he just says what he thinks, which I really admire, and he's coming on the podcast on Monday, actually on my podcast to talk about stuff. So that's good. Now there's the danger, though, when you're part of a movement that's burgeoning that you can kind of overstate how significant it is because it's still like being swamped in a certain way. And the third thing, but the most, maybe the most heartening thing to me is that the other side doesn't really have any answer to us. So they've resorted to a lot of smears. They do a lot of straw manning. So they did this to Kuna. They did the Schellenberger Washington Post tried to portray me as a racist. That was their answer to fossil future. So it's like, but they don't really do, they're not doing well. They haven't changed their arguments. They keep just saying, like, oh, your climate change denier or now you're a racist, but they're they're really losing. And I think people are starting to see that. I mean, you saw, for instance, Koonan was on Joe Rogan, which I think is a big kind of cultural sign. So the energy crisis is then. So I was already optimistic that we could make a lot of progress even before the crisis. And in part, I knew one was coming at some point. I talk about it at the end of the book. But now there's a heightened awareness that it is that that today there's something very wrong with today's policies because people are paying higher gasoline prices. They're seeing more blackouts. And they know that this is related to politicians who have been restricting fossil fuel investment production and transportation and who have been telling them, oh, we don't need fossil fuels. We're in an energy transition. So you see like at gas stations, the the Joe Biden, like I did that stickers pointing, you know, it's an arrow pointing to the price. So you've got openness. This doesn't at all guarantee that the right narrative will take over. But it gives an opportunity and it particularly gives an opportunity if those of us who have been right, take credit for being right and criticize the others for being wrong. So you remember when 9 11 happened, like people like Daniel Pipes, who had said things about, hey, we need to be worried about this threat. They rose in credibility. But look what happened to Peter Schiff with the financial crisis because he had that highlight reel of things that he said, which is not to say he's been right about everything since, but he had that highlight reel like on Art Laffer's show and stuff. And he just skyrocketed to prominence because it's like he predicted this crisis. And so one thing I'm very deliberately doing and unapologetically is I'm looking at my track record, like, for example, I testified in front of Congress warning about all of this in 2016 in front of the Senate. And I was ridiculed as I don't want to be lectured by a philosopher. And I said, you have to look at the big picture. You have to look at the benefits of fossil fuels. And Barbara Boxer didn't and look at look at where we are. So we have to really take credit for having been right about this. And then and then really clearly put forward an alternative view. And so that's why I'm very happy to have a book coming out that that's a total energy reeducation right at this moment when people are open to it. So that's that's why you don't know what's going to happen. But you don't want to be pessimistic if you see something growing and you see an opportunity. I should also say with with the groups you mentioned in the last couple of years, I've been quite influential in politicians. I now work with over a hundred elected officials and offices. And you're starting to see more of them talk well. And right now I'm working on an energy freedom platform, which I think will be the next level of influence. But already I'm consulted again by dozens of different offices. I meet with people all the time with, you know, with industry. I've definitely had a large influence. You're seeing CEOs speaking out more and more, which never, you know, at the beginning, we never has never happened when we would talk about this 20 years ago or whenever I got started on this. And, you know, the intellectual world, I would say, is a mixed bag. Some of the a lot of the free market energy people have definitely been influenced. And I get a lot of support from them. But one of my real focus in fossil future is really breaking through to as many kind of influencers, whether in energy or outside, by just giving a totally airtight case. The moral case was great, but it wasn't super comprehensive. It wasn't nearly as step by step airtight. And I mean, I'm dying to see what just people on the fence think of this. Like, I'm so curious what their answer is going to be, because it's it's like, I spent three years trying to refute it. It's by this time, it's really hard. So I'm so curious. You see intellectuals out there on this issue being on the fence. Are there intellectuals on the fence on this issue? Well, yes. And I guess I should say influencers. So intellectuals, if it is it, you know, my professors at Duke University, maybe some of them, but not so much. But I'm thinking even more of the even if you just take the kind of middle slash open to the right people like Joe Rogan, Barry Weiss, you know, something like Stephen Pinker is really interesting. I think he cites moral case in his first book. I don't know if he's read the whole thing, but I would love him to read this. You know, even Sam Harris is that's a really interesting one because he has had a lot of antagonism toward fossil fuels. But I think he so those people matter alone more than they used to. Yeah, he's he hasn't unblocked me from Twitter yet. So we're baby steps. He is praised in the book and criticized in the in the book. So I'm not going to bet anything in his case. But, you know, I think I think it's there's there's more of a blend than there used to be between influential people intellectually in the culture and then in academia. So for me, it's just there are hundreds of kind of smart people out there whom who are very influential that I think would be open to this. And I'm very curious to see how they react. I've gotten some initial good signs, but I want to see like, does this take off? Do people start talking about knowledge system designated experts ignoring benefits, catastrophizing side effects, climate mastery, like climate mastery denial, all of these things. I think there's a good chance. Cool. So let's see. So first, I want to remind everybody about buying the book. We got a bunch of new new people joining. So don't forget to buy the book. You can buy it on Amazon or pretty much any bookstore out there. You know, it's it's great in order to get on the best sellers. We're on a lot of individual orders. So go out there and buy a book for yourself. Buy books for your friends. Use Amazon, use bonds and mobile, use other websites. You don't buy as many books as you can. And the key is to buy it this week, really, the sooner, the better. Yeah, before, before basically before the end of next weekend, like by next Saturday. Yeah. So over the next seven days, six days, by the book. And it's it it's available on May 24th. But if you go today and buy it, that counts. If you buy it a few days after it becomes available, that counts still. But it really is that first few days that are the key to getting on the best seller list to go out and and and buy the book. Now, if everybody who listens just to my show buys the book, you know, it'll have a little dent. Not it won't be huge, but it'll it'll significant. It'll it'll help. It'll bring some. I think if everyone who listens to your show bought the book, certainly if everyone bought two, it would go in New York Times bestseller list based on how many it sold already. I think that's right. And knowing that the numbers for the New York Times bestsellers are not that huge as one is some millions, right? It doesn't take millions on the on the bet New York Times bestsellers to take tens of thousands and tens of thousands. We should be able to do quite easily. So so so do it by a couple of books. I've already bought the kindle. I don't know if the kindle counts. Is kindle count? Yes. Yeah, it does for New York Times. I believe it does on an audience. I need to send you a signed real copy. I believe audible does. I don't know exactly. But so I might buy I'm probably going to buy an audible, too, because I'll probably I'll probably do my I read it quickly, I guess, months ago when I wrote the blood. And then but it would be good. It would be good to listen to it on one of my walks. And I recorded, I should say, I recorded. Oh, you took me a long time. I recorded that thing for, yeah, for various reasons. It took longer than I thought, but it's 16 hours. And it took me 35 hours to record. So I would have more than 35 hours. So that's pretty good. Oh, my gosh. Well, I would have. Yeah, I would highly. I would say I put a lot into recording this thing because no one really wants the authors to. And it's not some Shakespearean thing. And my I want Alex's voice in my ear for for for 16 hours. Yeah, that's that's what it is. It's it's that people don't because imagine. I mean, you know me well, like just listening to my book and someone else's voice, even if it's an amazing voice, it's a little bit weird. So I it's not my favorite thing and all to read things out loud precisely. But I did it because people value it. So I hope a lot of people enjoy the audible. All right, we're going to jump into the super chat because there are a lot of questions. Some of them are comments, some of them are questions, almost all of them related to what we're talking about. Some are not. But we'll let Alex decide if he wants to answer them. No, they're all good. They're all positive. So this is some Jeff, it's 200 plus Canadian dollars. So I'll read it. I'm going to read it. We are we're not yet in the dystopia of Anthem, but it seems that they have us on a backward trend towards candles and barely being able to care for ourselves. Thanks for keeping up the fight. So it's more thank you than anything else. So thank you, you're welcome. Maybe it is the time to highlight another positive vellum. I'm seeing that didn't wasn't existing when moral case came out was just more and more people from the poor parts of the world standing up for themselves. I was just talking to a guy right before this, who's an agricultural engineer from Kenya. And he's he's trying to get his education in the UK. And he was a Greenpeace activist. And now he's a huge champion of fossil fuels. Like great. Think about that. They co-opted people in poor countries even. And it's like, but you're seeing more and more people. I met a guy at a conference recently from South Sudan. And he's like really influenced by my Google talk and real. So it's exciting to see. And the cool thing is this is almost accelerating because there's not much opposition. And the more people who talk about these things, the easier it is and the harder it is to just be dismissed as a climate denier. Yeah. And in my view, in a sense, it's much easier for them to to accept this in poor countries because it's a life of death issue for them. Yeah. A life of death issue for us as well. But it doesn't seem like a life. Like it's not it's not it's not imminent. It's not concrete enough. And for them, it's imminent. It's concrete. They know exactly what's at stake. They're still poor. They know what poverty looks like. They know what death is in a kind of a sense that I don't think we realize in the West. And so I think this should take off in places like Africa. I certainly hope so. And it makes me optimistic about the potential for Africa. Thank you for listening or watching the Iran book show. If you'd like to support the show, we make it as easy as possible for you to trade with me. You get value from listening. You get value from watching. Show your appreciation. You can do that by going to Iran book show dot com slash support. I go to Patreon, subscribe star locals and just making a appropriate contribution on any one of those any one of those channels. Also, if you'd like to see the Iran book show grow, please consider sharing our content. And of course, subscribe. Press that little bell button right down there on YouTube so that you get an announcement when we go live. And for those of you who are already subscribers and those of you who already supporters of the show, thank you. 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