 Hello everyone. Hey, welcome. Good to see you Yeah, I've started the recording and we'll go ahead and get started with the next session Let's just let's pray Father we come before you come to you throne of grace we humble ourselves before you or Holy Spirit we ask you to come and take control over this session over this hour Lord we are I pray that we will be sensitive to the leading of your voice Spirit I pray that I would be sensitive to the leading of your voice Lord I thank you for everything that you've been teaching us on mainstream healing and deliverance Well, I pray that even as we continue the law and you will be equipped and empowered Lord to reveal the love of the father to the world Jesus name I pray Amen, I hope I'm audible Just Okay, well, let's get started. So it's to a quick recap We finished a chapter five week before You know we cover chapter four and chapter five in chapter four we looked at a Learning to minister in healing and deliverance, right? Kind of touch some of the topics on on the will of God understanding the will of God We even asked question is it is it God's will to heal and is it a right to pray? You know saying that if it's your will Heal this person and so and so, you know, we learned that and The exercise of faith how to flow in compassion The unloyalty of the Holy Spirit We address the issue of sin and salvation And then methods Jesus used to minister healing and deliverance, right? And in chapter five Titled the secret to ministry as demonstrated by Jesus that is Learning from his life and how he went about You know demonstrating healing and deliverance we the first thing we we saw was that he ministered out of intimacy and obedience right, he ministered out of intimacy and obedience right that has to be We all need to strive for something like that right to live life out of intimacy and That there's a fruit of obedience Right and both and both of them are a fruit of love That's right. Are you saying I love him? That's why I want to spend this time with him and get to know him and Because therefore I love him and because therefore I know him intimately. I want to obey him right, it's a it's He does not just is not demanding, but he's come I he commands your love, right? There's a difference between commanding and demanding isn't it? And so Jesus flowed from a place of intimacy and obedience and the second thing we see how we demonstrated was he He he demonstrated Knowing that what he was going to accomplish on the cross Right, he functioned on the basis of the finished work of the cross and then he functioned on the place of domain from the place of dominion and authority right dominion and authority and I'm sure you guys are You know, you all are learning I think there's a class that you're doing on believers authority like And so we We would all you know, we all know that we've been given this authority and we are expected to function out of the place of authority Dominion as sons and daughters of Right, okay, and then finally in conclusion we saw that ministering through the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit Okay, that's how Jesus demonstrated the healing ministry, right? Through the presence and the power of the Holy Spirit Okay, it's the same Holy Spirit that is made available to you and me and how many times have you heard that? Not this semester in this course, right? The same Holy Spirit that ministered and flowed through Jesus that came and rested on him as a town is Available for you and me the same That raised Jesus from the dead is made available for you and me, right? Just thinking about it It should it should mean something it should inspire us motivate us to Go and minister in healing and deliverance because it's made available, right? the UN So that's been the emphasis. We are one of the foundations of this course is Every believer can do this Right in every believer can do this because of the Holy Spirit that is available for us But it was inside us and he wants to flow out like a river through us Okay So those were We concluded the previous session with a chapter five and I hope you've learned quite a few Because I'm also learning as you are learning. Okay But otherwise everybody doing all right Okay, well, let's Go to chapter six in your PDFs. It's page 94 page 94 In this chapter, we're going to try and answer Some of the common questions that on sickness and healing right again. What's in your movies there in my life This is not an exhaustive list of questions. However You know, it's free most of the frequently asked questions have been put together In this chapter and we are going to look at a few of them and see what it says right so Um Sorry wrong, okay By chapter six answers to common questions on sickness and healing What is the same? There are several passages in the bible that are often misunderstood And used as a basis for tolerating sickness and other demonic works. Okay uh, so foundation is There are several passages right um in the bible that i'm misunderstood and Some of us have preached on which talks about tolerating sickness And other demonic In this chapter, we look at some of these and provide insight on understanding We must keep in mind that all the scripture Must be interpreted in the light of the rest of the scripture Okay And we again learned this in chapter one Right that all the scripture must be interpreted in the light of the rest of the scripture And in the light of the person of jesus christ Right everything we know about god must align itself to what is seen and heard through god who became flesh Jesus christ Okay, everything we know about god Must align No, okay itself to what is seen and heard through the life of jesus Okay every every scripture that we read You know every confusing or contradictory scripture that we think might be Hard difficult scriptures to understand Etc etc All of that has to be interpreted in line and in the light Of person of jesus christ because he is the word Who became flesh? Right, so he is the word who became flesh, okay, so Based on all of that and not just for this chapter, but you know any any Everything that you do like your personal by the studies We're preparing a sermon or teaching Teaching a small group youth group teenage groups or whatever right I think It's enough. It's an absolute Important foundation To make sure that you interpret scripture in the light Now of all the other scriptures and in the especially in the light of jesus christ, right Okay, so here we go. So the first question of frequently asked question Is regarding paul's form? right paul's form and uh, we all know, you know what we're referring to and we've also heard, uh, you know People using references such as Uh, he he you know, that's the pawn in my flesh. Uh, he is being a pawn in my flesh. She is being a pawn in my flesh Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right you we've we've all heard those uh references I have Okay, but here was a few words is let's see what it says. Um Unless I should be exalted above measure By the abundance of the revelations That the abundance of the revelations is not that a thorn in the flesh Was given to me A messenger of satan to perfect me lest I be exalted above measure Okay, lest I should be exalted above measure Concerning this thing I pleaded with the law three times that it might depart from me And he said to me my grace is sufficient for you. My strength is made perfect in weakness And therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities That the power of christ may rest upon me therefore I take pleasure in infirmities In approaches and need in persecutions in distress For christ's sake for when I am weak than I am strong Okay, um, you kind of see there how it can be uh kind of misunderstood in terms of saying tolerating Uh, it's like, okay, you know, this must be his will and I'll just go on with that kind of thing But when you look at it This verse here, right the messenger of satan Okay, the messenger here says a greek word used there is angels Okay, um angel. So it simply means a messenger, right, um, so that's He's an associate of angel of of the devil right demon, uh, who was Trying to perfect Paul so what does that mean to perfect meaning to keep striking repeatedly Okay to keep striking to keep attacking him repeatedly Now and and we see that in in, um We're Paul writes extensively in in second quarantines chapter 11 23 and 27. Okay. Uh, it says here Are they ministers of christ? I speak of as a fool. I am more in laborers In labor more abundant in strengths have above measure in prisons more frequently in deaths Often From the jews five times. I received 40 stripes minus one three times I was beaten with rods once I was told three times I was shipwrecked a night and day I have been in the deep In journeys often in perils of water in perils of robbers in perils of my own countrymen In perils of the gentiles in perils of the city In perils of in the wilderness in perils in the sea in perils among false brethren in weariness and toil in sleeplessness often in hunger and thirst in fastings often in cold and nakedness Right. Um, so you see in second quarantines Paul just uh, you know referring a little bit to all the hardships to uh, all You know all things that the same was trying to perfect him, right? It's being strike repeatedly Over and over and over again Now all of this we okay, so we understand the source. It's very clear a messenger of satan Okay, a messenger of satan is attacking Paul and everything that he does and he's referring to that As the thorn in the flesh Okay, but what is very important here? Um, what uh, was also written in this book is What we need to make sure it uh trying to highlight is Regarding this about the measure by the abundance of the revelations Abundance of the revelation. So what is he talking about? Paul wrote almost Like more than half of the new testament saying more, right that important pistols That's almost three fourths, right of the new testament and And that's the kind of revelation that he's talking about the abundance of revelation and all of that was which was put into Which is now what we call it as the canon of the gods scripture okay, um, and We we we do get revelations now. God speaks to us through us but not Well the same revelations that Paul is referring to okay, and so that in mind Says as believers today, none of us have received such abundance of revelations In which on the same no way Paul has encountered Right We have not been used in the same manner as paul to have the privilege of being of being given a thorn in the flesh A messenger of a Satan to perfect us to keep us humble Further to us to claim that our sickness is a thorn in the flesh given to us from grand spiritual purpose is Rather unscriptural and self-exalting So we must fight sickness as a work of the devil that has no right in our bodies Okay, so Thorn in the flesh when it comes to and if anybody is referring to that and if you misunderstood it now we understand Okay, so it's the abundance of to it now we understand. So it's the abundance of revelation that Paul received and then Satan wanted to just stop. And we see that Satan was doing that time and time again, isn't it? In another believer's life. And even this is taking Jesus' life for that matter. When Jesus says let's cross and go to the other side of the lake. Jesus is very clearly expressing his will. Let us go to the other side of the lake. And then who brings the storm? So we know that story as well. So that's the answer to the first question of frequently asked question regarding Paul's Tawn. Now we know the root reason, the source, and the why. And the second frequently asked question is Job's life. Okay, once again, I mean, every time, how many of you have heard Job's life story and being referred to his sickness and what he went? I've heard it from Sunday school days. And there are also, once again, like just like Paul's Tawn, the life of Job is also being misused to once again say that it's okay to tolerate sickness. It's fine. But let's take a closer look at it and see what it says. So a couple of scriptures mentioned here is, so Satan went out from the presence of the Lord, asking to smite on Job. Job 267 says, and the Lord said to Satan, behold, he is in your hand. Let's spare his life. So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord and struck Job with painful boils from the soul of his foot to the crown of his head. In all this, Job did not sin with his lips. In all this, Job did not sin with his lips. For the thing I greatly feared has come upon me and what I dreaded has happened to me. And finally in Job 42 we see that the Lord restored Job's losses when he prayed for his friends. Indeed, the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before. So this is the 42nd chapter of the book of Job. Now, the book of Job chronologically is older than Genesis is what the historians claim, chronologically. And even his life is much earlier than the life of Abraham chronologically speaking. Now, another classic, how do I say this? Misinterpretation, if I may say, is that, okay, Job has, you know, this is a 42nd chapter and it was in the 42nd chapter that he was blessed and that he regained everything that he lost. That's another misinterpretation. But again, once again, the book of the scholars and historians claim that most of everything what Job endured, all of this happened if within the span of a year, that's within the span of either 12 months or lesser. So we must be very careful in understanding the life of Job and not set his life as a benchmark for everything else to happen and how God functions and whatnot. Once again, we have to remember and be very important to say, to interpret the rest of the scriptures in the light of what Jesus did, right, in his time on earth and what he continues to do. Okay, so we cannot go on saying, Job was sick, Job was sick, Job was sick, Job was sick. So I can also be sick, you know, and blame it on God and whatnot. Right. So we see here, it was Satan who struck Job and his family because of all kinds of calamities and sickness, the source. We cannot blame God for the things that Satan did. However, it is true that God did grant permission for Satan to touch Job, who otherwise was under divine protection since God had made a hedge around. Okay, please note that, right. And Job 110 says, I mean, Satan could not attack Job or lay his hand on Job because God had made a hedge around him. There was a hand of protection, right. It was safe under the wings of God, right. But it was still the devil that caused all the calamities to happen using elements of weather and nature as well, et cetera, et cetera. And so as a summary of that question or that point right now is, all of us face these kinds of things, right. God permits these things to go on even against those who believe in him, right. He permits. God uses these parts for our training and maturing into Christ's likeness. He calls us to fight the good fight, resist the devil, wrestle against the powers of darkness, quench every fury doubt, and live overcoming lives. Okay. So I just want to pause here and just ask, okay, so does anybody have any questions you say regarding the life of Job or, yeah, let's move on then. So and once again, we see that, you know, we all know that in the midst of all that happened, Job maintained his integrity and faith in the Lord, right. He stood firm in his devotion to God, right. This ambulance of Job is what we are to emulate. Okay. We kind of take the wrong part and forget this part, right. We always kind of emphasize and magnify everything that he went through, but kind of leave out, you know, the kind of life that he emulated, right. The life that he lived with such integrity that he refused to blame God. He was, he refused to be offended, you know. And to an extent, you know, a little bit, we see that in the life of David as well. If you have a glance at the life of David from the time he's introduced in, I think, first Samuel 16 onwards, we've got talks to Samuel about David and then from all the way to first time in chapter 30. And if you just read everything that happened in David's life, from Saul trying to kill him time and time again, and then he has to run away from his own people. And then his own people wanted to hand him over to King Saul. He's rejected by his own people. He's been chased by King that he loved and look up as a mentor. And then he goes and joins the Philistines and, you know, and then comes a point where his own the enemy rejects the life of, you know, rejects David. And then at this point, there were 400 odd men with David who later become known as the mighty men of David, 400 of them that he kind of took care and poured his life into. And all those 400 men now want to kill David because their families have been attacked by the Philistines. In all of this, and it's amazing what David responds and how he responds. He says, the Bible says, I think in first time in 30, you can read it says, David strengthened himself in the Lord. So he was he refused to be offended. You know, he refused to put the blame and play the blame game as we say. Okay, so that this endurance of Job is what we are to emulate. There's anything that we can, you know, take from that. Okay, so from the left job. The third frequently asked question is, what does it mean, you know, when scriptures say delivering one to Satan, delivering one to Satan. So the scripture that's mentioned here, one is the first Corinthians chapter five, one to five, it says it is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles, but a man has his father's wife. And you are puffed up and have not rather mourned that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among them. For I indeed, as absent in body, but present in spirit have already judged as though I were present just him who has so done this deed. So in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together along with my spirit with the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Okay, so that's one character. I just want to read two quick scriptures and we'll talk about it. Okay, then other two scriptures, two individuals that we'll talk about is Timothy says of whom are Hymenius and Alexander whom I deliver to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. Okay, but they may learn. And other scripture says and their message will spread like cancer. Hymenius and philatis are of this sort. So this is not only used in the New Testament, this line says delivering one to Satan. Okay, if you once again in the Old Testament, when you read through the book of Judges, especially, you will see time and time again the God says, I handed them over to the Amalekites. I handed them over to the Philistines. I handed them over to the Medianites. I'm sure you would have come across sentences, statements like that in the Bible in the Old Testament as well. And every time God did that was in line to bring discipline to their immorality, that he wanted to bring discipline to the people of Israel because for time and time again, they had gone into sexual immorality and become very familiar with the lives of the Canaanites who worshipped their gods, who did things their way, who accepted and embraced the culture of the Canaanites when they were strictly warned not to compromise with their moral values and live a life that is set apart unto Yahweh. So when they did not do that, that's when as he would discipline his people, he would make that statement saying, okay, I'm handing you over. That means he's taking his hand of protection over them for a period, so they learn from their mistakes. And that is exactly what Paul is also doing here in perseverance, as we just read, is that there is this individual, a person in the church who's been living a sexual immoral life. And Paul, although he is not present in flesh there, he's heard about this and he is questioning the church, okay, why haven't you done anything about this? And so Paul is using his apostolic authority and his administering discipline for unrepentant sinful behavior, unrepentant sinful behavior, okay. And so, and long story, I just paraphrase this, you know, he's asked to, you know, he's taken out of the church, so to speak, until he repents and whatnot. And so, the man was being put away from the local church, it says, in one sense, physically, as well as spiritually, okay. So that man, a person with sexual immoral life, was put away from the local church, physically and spiritually. Now, this meant that the protection he would normally have was withdrawn and he was now vulnerable to Satan because of his sin, okay. Satan could then do anything to bring harm in the physical realm. Now, the distance doesn't stop there. And, you know, in second Corinthians, we see that, you know, Paul addresses that this punishment, which was inflicted by the majority, is sufficient for such a man. Now, he says, okay, at some point, he must have repented from his sins. And then he is not just saying, okay, we can accept him, forgive him. And he's encouraging the people of the church to say, okay, forgive him, as I have forgiven, right. It says here, if indeed I have forgiven anything, I have forgiven that one for your sake in the presence of Christ. Okay, so that's what happens when God is teaching, when we're trying to discipline someone, okay, that's the meaning or the interpretation of that line, delivering to Satan or handing him over. Okay, it's not something physically that's happening. So, we as a people of God, right, we are just like it says in the book of Job, we have a hedge, God protects us, okay, we have, he protects us with his wings, he's keeping us safe under the shadow of his wings. And of course, we are we sin, right, we all do, right, nobody is perfect, right. But what matters and what is important to him is are we repenting? Do we have a repentant heart? Or do we just go on and on and on, you know, with our sinful lives, with habitual sins or addictions, ignoring the grace of God, saying it's okay, I don't care, you know. And that is an invitation, you know, just opening up the doors and the windows for the enemy to come and attack your life. Okay, so that is the interpretation of Scripture. And you see the same thing what Paul does in comes to the other two individuals that he was talking about, for example, the second case had to do with this two rebellious men from the Church of Ephesus, right, from Ephesians, right, and they are Hymenius and Alexander. Now Hymenius was teaching preaching false doctrine that the resurrection was already over, right. He was preaching false doctrine. And then Alexander opposed Paul, speaking things that caused much harm to Paul, right. And so we see here in both cases Paul exerts once again, apostolic authority to release these men from the Church and dispose them to Satan. Knowing the apostles heart, this would have been done with the intent that these men would come to repentance and aligning to the truth. But in this case, we have no record of the outcome on this case. We don't know if these two individuals have repented or not. Okay, so that's the answer or an explanation to the question, the frequent last question. What does this mean? Do the women want to say to me? Okay, or what does it mean? And why does it say God handed them over to the Amalekites, etc. That is interpretation. Moving on to the next frequently asked question. Okay, so I just want to pause here and I want to check with you all. You guys are still with me and not in cloud nine. Okay, you guys learning something, I hope. Another frequently asked question from the Corinthian Church, that is again, misinterpreted, almost understood is on this passage from 1st Corinthians 17 to 34. It says when many, who were many were weak, many were sick, and many died prematurely. Many weak, sick, and many died prematurely. And once again, this has led to, you know, tolerate that a weakness is okay, sickness is okay, church believers, it's fine, okay, premature death, etc, etc. But when you read the text and understand its context, you see, you know, what it actually means here. So to paraphrase that whole section, and I would encourage you to read this passage, 1st Corinthians 11, 17 to 34. Once again, the people of the Church of Corinth, they were not taking the table of God communion seriously. They did not understand the significance and the importance, the holiness, the sacrifice of the Lord's table. They would, it says here in 22, you know, what do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the Church of God and shame those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you in this? I do not praise you, for I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which he was betrayed took bread. And when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, take this is my body which broke him for you. Do this in remembrance of me. And he understands the significance Paul, apostle Paul, that it's holy, it's precious, you know, and he remembers the sacrifice, the cost, the pain, the price that Jesus paid. When you read this whole thing, that, you know, the communion was treated as a party time. Everybody will have fun. You know, there was no respect or reverence to, you know, to communion. And then he says, therefore, from verse 27, whoever eats the spirit or drinks this cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself. And so let him eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this reason, many are weak and sick among you and may not sleep. For we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord that we may not be condemned with the world. Okay. So the Corinth Church, while being a very spiritual group of people also had a lot of problems that had to be addressed, as we all know, right, in the area of moral standards, conduct and church gatherings and living together as a united community. Part of this was their conduct and celebrating the Lord's table. Instead of treating this with reverence and doing this with spiritual meaning, this became a time of feasting, eating and drinking in the church gathering. They turned this into a time of having a feast together, which Paul says they couldn't, they could do at home. What was intended by the Lord to be a time of great reverence and spiritual proclamation of his death, resurrection and soon returning, became more like a lunch feast. Okay. And so that was the reason behind their disciplining or chastisement as we would call it, right, as to why many were sick, you know, and many were weak and many who had premature death is because they did not have reverence to what they were doing to the Lord's table. Okay. So as believers today, we do not have to fierce weakness, sickness and premature death because they're wrongly, because of wrongly participating of the Lord's table simply because we haven't taught how to do it right. Right. We haven't taught how to do it right. We know that we must do each time we partake of the Lord's table. It is not that God is waiting for the smallest mistake to pour down judgment on us. Rather, each time we celebrate the Lord's table, we bring joy to his heart and fear in the enemy camp. Okay. So that's the last question for on why there was weakness and sickness and premature death in Church of Corinthians. Okay. Another frequently asked question, a classic question. Timothy's stomach. Beyond this, okay. Why did Timothy have a stomach problem? Why wasn't he fine? My first explanation being he's having a human body, that's one thing. But also let's look at it, says Paul instructing Timothy, no longer drink only water, but use a little wine for your stomach's sake and for your frequent infirmities. Okay. So it is apparent from this verse that Timothy had some sort of recurring stomach problem. And one of the things that historians claim is because he was traveling, he was on a mission strip, like constantly, he would go from one place to another to another place. Maybe he had some stomach upset or good points. We don't know. And it must have been the for a while that Paul took notice and Paul asked me, okay, what have you been doing about your stomach? We're like, no, I've been drinking water, Paul. Then Paul was like, okay, you know what? Hey, don't drink only water. Let's try a little bit of wine that might help your stomach. Apostle Paul recommended the use of wine because of its medicinal value for Timothy's stomach problem. Hence we can conclude that it is all right to use natural and medical remedies while keeping our hearts devoted to God. Okay. So look at that very interesting summary. Hence it doesn't come to say, hence it's okay to keep drinking wine or not. It says, hence we can conclude that it is all right to use natural and medical remedies right while keeping our hearts devoted to God. Okay. It's okay to take medicines that the doctors prescribe, you know, and by yet keeping our hearts devoted to God and believing for healing, praying for healing, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Another classic thing that's asked is about Hezekiah's illness. The King Hezekiah in 2 Kings chapter 20 verse 1 to 7, 2 Kings chapter 20 verse 1 to 7. Now again, you see that he was disobedient, he was rebellious in some of the things that he did and what pronounced his judgment on him and then so he was afflicted with ulcers and tumors, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. So it says here, King Hezekiah was sick and close to death. After hearing the prophet's warning, Hezekiah turns to the Lord and prays, what is happening there? He's repenting. Repentance is always seems to be the purpose when like what we just learned as well, you know, what is teaching you discipline. He expects you to repent. And the beautiful thing is God hears the king's prayer and has the prophet instruct people to make paste out of a lump of figs and place it on boil. Hezekiah is healed and lives for another 15 years. Okay. Obviously, God could have healed Hezekiah without the use of the paste made from figs. Whether the paste made from figs had any healing or medicinal properties for boil, we do not know. Maybe it did. But if it does, now we know. Whether it did have medicinal value or not, we can affirm that God is not against the use of natural elements through which or along with which his healing is administered to an individual. God could have just said the word and healed him. But also in this something we learn something different is that he is not against using the natural elements to administer healing as well. Okay. So that's about Hezekiah's sickness. Just want to go down this section here on page 102. A very important frequently asked question is, is sickness the chastening of the Lord? A sickness but chastening of the Lord? First quarantine 11, 28 to 32 says, but let a man examine himself and so let him eat the bread and drink the cup, same passage, for he who eats and drinks in an unworthy manner eats and drinks judgment for himself, not discerning the Lord's body. This is the same passage which we just read. Another scripture that is mentioned is Hebrews 12, 5, 11. And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons. My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by him. For whom the Lord loves and chastens, and scourges every son whom he received. If you endure the chastening, God deals with you as with sons, for what son is there whom a father does not chasten. But if you are without chastening, which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. Okay. So still, and I would encourage you as always to read the whole scriptures there, is it signals the chastening of the Lord. And we just see that in from the book, from Hebrews 12, that the Lord chastens whom he loves, the relationship there is between, the refer there is between the father and the son. And I'm a father, I have a son. If not all, some of us are parents in the class. We want to discipline our child. We're not going to say, okay, I'm going to send the sickness over you. So you learn. We, we chasten, we discipline our child and we do that because of love, but that measure is not by sending this, you know, sickness and whatnot. Right. And if we understand that, we will know that the sickness in itself is the Lord, the Lord's chastisement, or when he disciplines, he does, he, he, disciplines out of love for his children so that we will repent. Right. So the sickness is not the chastening of the Lord. Okay. So that's the issue. Let's just, I want to just read this passage and then we'll close the section. The issue of the Lord's chastening is often misunderstood and misrepresented. People fall sick and then claim that God made them sick to teach them a deep spiritual lesson. And I'm not sure if you come across people like that. I have and that you will also see at the same time the same people, you know, going to the hospitals to get, to get to the hospital, to get to the hospital, to get to the hospital, to get to the hospital, to get to the hospital, to get to the hospital. To get to, to be, to be made well. The same people who say the sickness is there in them for them to learn a lesson. And they're like, okay, you know, if that's a lesson, they could let it go on. But, you know, instead, you see them going to the hospitals and, and whatnot. Right. So that's misunderstood. That's misrepresentation that comes with not understanding who the father really is. Okay. So that is the response to, to that passage. Another frequently asked questions. And I hope that most of you are still alive. We'll take a break now. I'll stop the recording and come back to our second session. Okay. I'll see you all in 10 minutes.