 Tell us about you're you after I left you were there. Yeah, well after you left We continued some of this work on constraints and consequences But of course, you know there was a gap because we'd had While you were still there when Ed Price joined yeah, and Ed Price took responsibility for the work in the economics of crabbing systems Yeah, but then after you left there was there was still a gap and we hired John Flint Australia John had been at IIT a and somehow we convinced him to come to Erie and John took on responsibility for some of the work and I Sort of was we were we were into the phase of the CGI AR We were into the phase of External review cycle every couple of years would be a management review or a or a program review and you had to articulate You know what it was that you were doing And you know the plant breeders could say Ronnie could say well We're breeding plants for zip hip and lip, you know or somebody could say well We're breeding rice for upland rice conditions, whatever Agronomist could say we're maximizing yield. Well, what could the economists say? So we articulated this 40 40 20 vision for the economics program 40% of your effort should go to understanding the farm conditions and Relating those to the interests of your biological colleagues the real scientists as as the law will call them So 40% of the time you're working on on-farm issues Kind of understand that translate that or interact with your with your colleagues 40% of the time You were spent trying to interact with people in the countries The people that Delaine Welsh put you in contact with or or in Indonesia or Sri Lanka or wherever your colleagues in rice research In the economics of rice research in the Asian countries and then 20% of your time You know you could publish something or become famous or you know, whatever it was You thought you had to pursue a professional career. So that was a 40 40 20 kind of split of effort and time and I used to say to add into John and to Colleagues like Perry Anderson or the other lonely economists in the other centers you know if you do the 40% of Your time and effort To interact with your biological science colleagues if you do that well The rest of the time you can do whatever you want It'll take care of itself because they're going to be saying to the director T What Randy did was really helpful. I mean, you know, he pointed this out or he got me in contact with this Or we discovered this problem. We discovered his bug or whatever and So in those days of you know increasing Generation of reviews and so on and so forth. It's really what you produce. It's kind of the chamber philosophy at the end of the year What did you do? if you did if you did something that that Made something happen great. You were productive, but if they if you were invisible Yeah Then you know, what are these economists doing the trouble of economists is they raise problems