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Now the Commissioner Aruan also said the terrorists have been luring locals with gifts with a view to recruiting them into the criminal organizations. Governor Arufe expressed concern that the terrorists are moving from the northeast to the northwest with the intention of causing havoc. Now we have joining us this morning on the breakfast to look at this latest development. Ambrose Iqboke who is a public affairs analyst. Good morning to you Ambrose Iqboke. Good morning. Thanks for having me. When you hear that terrorists are saying that they prefer the forests of Kaduna State to Zambeza Forest as a base to operate from, how does that make you feel and what thoughts go through your mind? Well it sends to any Nigeria, it will send shivers, it will send fear, it will send worry and discomfort to any well-milled Nigeria to hear that kind of proclamation from a terrorist group like Boko Haram. Before now they have been operating in the far north, which is in the fringes of the country, not east, with boundary always rotating between the chat-basin, going to the chair, coming out and on into the country operating from there. Remember there was a time they were controlling up to 70 local governments in Boronu State until the military were able to take some of those towns. Now in Kaduna State, Kaduna has been a hotbed, they have been testing the grounds. Remember the invasion of the NDA, the Nigeria Defense Academy. Remember the attack on the airports and remember the attack on the residents of universities. And so they have been testing Kaduna for a while. And Kaduna has been a hotbed in the name of religious crisis, in the name of ethnic clashes. When the security was coming up, they were painting it as if it is a farmer's headdress clash. And it was not. It was a bold attempt to make some statements. But the government of Kaduna State was saying there was a time the governor came out to say that some of these people were going to leave the state. So when you don't take the decisive step like that and you keep on pampering the issue, then they become emboldened. When you pamper these terrorists, they become monsters. And that is what is happening now. So it is worrisome and it is good that the governor of the fire has raised the alarm. So it is there for the authorities to know what to do. Because Kaduna is a very large force of land. It is huge. So Kaduna alone can form a big state. So Kaduna is huge. And when the terrorists say this kind of thing, they know what they are talking about. Because there are huge amounts of forests in between the towns and the rest. And then Kaduna is strategic. It is in the Northwest. But again, Kaduna can always be said to be in the midst of non-central states. Kaduna states that Kaduna basically are almost non-central states. And so they are very close. It is close to Niger state. It is close to Abuja. It is close to Masarawa state. It is close to Platus state. So these states are just, you know, we can have a food for the Kaduna. But then non-central states are not safe. And basically the rest of Nigeria. So this is time to take a very serious and decisive action to see how we can stem the tide and ensure that they don't take home the Kaduna forests. So you were talking about decisive action. Now what actions can be taken? Because just like you have also affirmed, the government has been indulging by her actions. And that has really cost, you know, the state what it's currently faced with. Well, the first action, many Nigerians including myself are very confused on why these people are emboldened the way they do. And even had the opportunity to enter military formations. Inside military formations. Some of them are from medieval military formations to kidnap, to cause havoc. And then basically we are not hearing anything about the retribution of what they have done. So it makes us worry. It makes us puzzled that these kind of things are happening. So the security attacks should be ramped up. There should be more concerted efforts. Since they have made note their next moves, it is behaving on the commander in chief and all the heirs of the agencies, of security agencies, to see how we can have what we call preventive strikes. So that we don't just do what the retribution alone. We do preventive strikes. And then there is a lot of complaints about issues of, you know, communities, especially the villages and hamlets, being left on their own. And this is why this issue of the military is so important. And I will say that they have given the youths and some other people some inducements to join the fray is because of this kind of thing. So it is actually time to have a very strong language by, you know, mobilizing our military, all the military agencies and paramilitary agencies to come now and start coming to the forest. I mean we have just started from the United States of America. This is the time to deploy them. This is the time to use technology. The forest are not in mass. They are not in Jupiter. They are in Nigeria. And surveillance equipment and surveillance tools can be used to actually dig out where these people are. And that is what we should be deploying now to ensure that these people, their location is, you know, found out and then there are precision technologies that can, you know, strike these people and then let us have peace in the Cardinals so that we don't embolden these people to come out in a monstrous way to attack us. What do you think, because I mean whilst they have been knocks for the Cardinal State Governor in his approach in the past and suspicion of where he stands as far as they divide in the state is concerned, you know, he has seem to have taken a very hands on approach in at least gathering the data and having briefings and giving us updates on what's been happening in this last Security Council briefing. We had updates on the number of persons killed so far. What do you think accounts for the seeming inability of the security apparatus in the country, which has a lot of formations domiciled in Cardinal State to be able to address the situation for ever fight to be the one through his commission that will come out to reveal these things. Is there a failure, is this more a more evidence of a failure of intelligence gathering and what exactly is going on while these guys seem, what do they seem to be expanding the territory and inching closer to Abuja on abated? Well, one of the things that are always at the beginning was that it was being treated with levity. When people talk they see it as an attack on government. The other time it was politicized especially at the beginning and they were seeing it as if it was just later it was ethnic. It was seen as an attack on southern Cardinal and basically it was the southern Cardinal that was being attacked alone for a very very very long time. So the southern Cardinal people were left as victims and there was no concrete action actually taking and we were warning that time that this thing if it is not arrested we escalate because when they finish dealing with southern Cardinal they will continue dealing with the rest. And these people are having strikes in the community. Last time they entered a very very big town in Cardinal called Kaguuru. They went inside the town just like last month. And so these people are becoming more emboldened. They are coming out more in a very monstrous manner attacking even giving information. These people are giving information. The locals are saying that they will give information on time that they are coming. So if I am not emboldening the question you are asking is also the question I am asking what are the security agencies doing? That is the question I don't have an answer to. Perhaps we can direct the questions to the heads of the security formations and commander in chief himself. That these people have the temerity to even give advanced notices that they are coming to replace but last last month they came to Kaguuru town. They gave the information that they are coming and they came. So we have something that we Nigerians do not understand because I will reiterate and keep reiterating the Nigerian military has the capacity to decimate these people. And I trust the Nigerian military, I trust their capacity, I trust their might, and I trust their technical ability to defeat these people. What is not happening? I don't have an answer to that question. But some people have actually argued differently that capacity might just be the problem of looking at the manpower even though others would say that there might just be a compromise. We have seen situations where you have prominent persons heads, commanders, compromising it's in public space. These are possible, I know that you have said that you are not in the know but these are possible arguments why we don't. Other people are saying that it just goes beyond that maybe the government is overwhelmed by all of this. I don't believe the government is overwhelmed. I see it will maintain my standard and the Nigerian military has the capacity to decimate these people. One will stop hoping why it's not happening. But I am not in doubt that the Nigerian military has the capability and the capacity to decimate these terrorists. Alright, before we go what would you say should be the approach of the authorities to handle this? Should the Kaduna state government at a capable of taking the bull by the horns and grabbing this by, well let me not use another word but you know what I mean, to solve the situation as a state government, maybe enlisting local vigilantes or do you think the federal government should adopt a different approach? You've talked about the equipment acquired recently. We have the supertocano jets. The Minnesota transportation, Rotimi Ameshi recently said, the resumption of the train services on May 23rd will have a security in the form of the Nigerian Air Force sweeping the rail route and if you see any unwanted person on that route they would fire on that person. What approach should we take to solve this crisis in Kaduna state which is so close to the seat of power in Abuja, warringly close with all that's happening right now? The governor of Kaduna state is not the person in charge of the security agencies he has raised the alarm, he has made the world known, he has cried out that this is what is happening. Good enough the governor of air refines is very close to the presidency so this is the time to use his good relationship with the presidency to see what further commitments he can get from the president and commander in chief to be able to deploy a more tactical approach to solving this issue because it is a very very worrisome development. So what we can do is if the military can now start what we call targeted, targeted surveillance as they have said, but again the issue is that after the surveillance after intelligence gathering, what do you do with this? That is the question Nigerians are asking, what do you do with this surveillance what do you do with intelligence you have gathered, what do you do with your disposal, what do you do with all this? So it is time for Nigerians to expect actions, it's time for Nigerians to see that the military is coming with its full might the might that I believe it has and then we will see actions being taken place and we can now also ask the governor of Cardona state to see also how you can wrap up local intels like the vigilante like for example, why will people see local intel, local intels have said that they report this things to the security agencies they come out and say these people write them letters, these people inform them that they are coming send messages to them, when these messages are released to the security, what do they do with it, what do they do with them and that is what we are asking, so when such local intels are gathered it is left for the governor to now mobilize by connecting with the security agencies, even the presidency, to start nipping these things on the board because when it is allowed to happen most of the time it embodies the terrorists and they come out more in their droves, but when it is nipped on the board and they are decimated of course they will retreat and they will have some peace Thank you very much, it is quite interesting contribution and of course analysis from you, we very much appreciate your time and for joining us on the program this morning, sir Thank you for having me Alright, we pray for better days as far as security Cardona state is concerned, strategic state as far as Nigeria security, structural apparatus is concerned and also in terms of location mercy, it is proximity to Abuja, the seat of power which is the federal capital territory, we hope for the best But Ambrose Iboque was our guest, he is a public affairs analyst and he joined us on the first segment of our discussion on breakfast Alright, so let's take a break, when we return we definitely bring you up to speed with what is making the rounds in terms of sports, stay with us