 Well, a very good morning to you. Thank you so much for being part of this morning show. This is why in the morning Welcome back. It's all about matters concerning youth and politics today on this particular Monday morning My name is Ram Agucco. It's a pleasure being with you. We're coming to you live from their broadcasting house in Nairobi, Kenya Also streaming live through our website. That's www.okbc.co.ke We value your feedback. Let us know where you're watching us from. And of course, we shall sample your feedback as we continue with this morning show It's all about matters concerning youth and politics. We want to take a look at what has been taking trends in the past few days and in the past one week And what should we expect in the coming week? To help me in this conversation, I am joined by two my far-right Gerald Minishi and next to me, I am with David Wiper. Both political analysts and youth leaders, Karibunisana gentlemen Was a lendo. Let me start with you, Gerald. Tell us a bit more about what you do Currently, I'm Gerald Minishi. Currently, I'm working for the United Nations Human Settlements Program. I'm also a Global Youth Ambassador for Diwali Charity Organization And I'm happy to be on the show and to make some significant contributions Thank you. Thank you so much for coming, my brother. And David Wiper, tell us a bit more about what you do Thank you so much, Ram. By name, I'm David Wiper, just like you put it. I am a political scientist by profession I am a former comrade's boss at the Catholic University of Eastern Africa Currently, I consult for a young tax under the auspices of one Kenyan coalition That is chaired by Rayla Molo Dingo, our boss So it is a pleasure to be here because this is an enabling environment to distill issues and to give Kenyans and the entire globe real facts And what we would like to see as a country Thank you so much for coming, my brother. We talk facts. 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One story that is making headlines in this particular paper is concerning the flag bearer We mentioned it earlier on today, this morning, conversation in this morning show before we went on that break The deputy president William Ruto and Azimio Wan Kenyai, leader Ryle Odinga are bracing for a tablet week With only seven days to the deadline for naming their running mate And this is the week that will either make or break their presidential bids Because the person that they will choose to bear, to be their running mate will either bring good tidings or bring problems So the question is, who will it be? How will they sort it out? And how will they manage to pick the right person for themselves? Remember initially the IBC had given until 28th of April this year as the final date for presidential hopefuls Those who want to submit their names alongside those who will be coming with their running mates But after consultations with Ryle Odinga and Ruto Camp The period was extended to 16th of May and 16th is next week So the question is, how will it be? How do we expect to see tablet times? Let me start with you David Wyber, your thoughts on that Okay, thank you Ram and thank you for the beautiful conversation, for the topic that we want to delve into this morning So the question of the choice of the deputy president, more so for the two forefront runners, for the August polls It's not just tough but also interesting, because indeed it is the key determining factor Who is going to become the next president of this country? And basically like we have seen it, the other day there's Mula Umorja, where I belong We stated very clearly and categorically that the only method that we're going to use to decide on whoever becomes the deputy president of Mula Umorja Whoever is going to depute Israel is to consider the person that do not have the character of the current deputy president that we have in Kenya That is the only factor that we are going to use And to speak of that, we are simply going to check on the loyalty The biggest consideration that we put in place to decide on the next deputy president of this country is the loyalty To who? And to the Republic of Kenya Is he or she a person that owns the same aspirations for the country with the Riala Molo Dinga Is he or she a person that is more compatible with the Riala Molo Dinga? Because you know the president is a unit So basically that is the only consideration, the major consideration that we have As long as somebody doesn't have the traits of the current deputy president of this Riala Molo Dinga And a person who is going to work left, right and centre justifying or rather castigating his boss So basically that is what we are going to look at But forget about that, we live alone that There are also other weighty and a major consideration that we have to put in place Like it is all about winning an election, it is a coalition So we want to win this election and not just win but to win by a landslide So you have to be a person that carries with him or a numerical strength A person that has fought for something in this country A person that stands for constitutionalism A person that stands for the rule of law And a person that would complement Riala Molo Dinga in his nature Because currently as the conversation is towards the election that we are going to take It is a liberation and it is an economic one Do you have economic credentials to revitalize Riala Molo Dinga? Do you have economic credentials to revitalize our economy? Because basically that is what we are as a state and as a country today Okay, you are open in the max and rest of that, your thoughts? Okay, the Bismarck of Germany said that politics is the art of the possible Meaning that in politics, never say never With regards to the identity politics in Kenya right now We realize that this running mate issue has become conspicuous And it is an issue which has been undertaken with the painstaking excellence And some kind of seriousness If you look at, for example, as a Mewan Kenyaland scum And when you look at the Kenyakwanza, all of them they want to be strategic Whoever they choose to be their running mate And my colleague here has touched on some issues, the issue about consideration If we are going to consider, for example, let's say for example Riala chooses Kallonza to be his running mate Are we going to experience the kind of fallout that we are experiencing right now Between President Uru Kenyatta and the President Roto? Those are the kind of issues that are at the table right now So in matters to do with which is the best candidate With regards to these two horses as per our media I think it is debatable, it is debatable based on a lot of factors And remember, politics is all about interest Yeah, it is not about all the common one, it is about interest Now let me come to you Waipa There is something you said that I would like to really discover As long as someone is loyal to Riala Molo Dinga Is that what is important for Kenyans? Especially for the U And you mentioned that if they are loyal to Riala And two, as long as they are the opposite of the DPT President William Ruto Where does the common monlincy come in this area? I am a political scientist and just like my brother has put it That politics is all about interest And whatever matters in politics is the interest of the common man And I believe that in the camp that I watch for And that is as Mula Umoja Whatever we have there is to fight and to liberate Kenyans From the one ton economic ravage that we experience currently As a country So generally, it is a conglomeration of the interest of the common man So whatever we are looking for is a government that would operate very peacefully A government that would work with the unity that we expect as a country But if you don't want to answer the question Where does the common monlincy work? Come into play because all you are looking at is loyal to Riala And whoever is coming is going to be the opposite of DPT William Ruto Whatever we are looking for, if we talk about loyal to Riala Molo Dinga We don't want a person that is over ambitious We don't want a person that would bring mayhem into the government We want a person that, if at all you are ideological You feel like there is an idea that you want to be implemented Then you share it with your boss Basically that is what we are looking for We are not looking for a person that would start to campaign On the second day after swearing in over Riala Molo Dinga and him at the DPT As some of them have said that once we are sworn in And once we have taken over as a unit and as a government Then on the next day I would start to campaign To become the next president or the sixth president of this country One of the things that we do not want to see or to encounter And that is why we need somebody that is loyal We need somebody that is going to be rational And we need somebody who is not going to become a challenger That you know you want to compete with your boss You need a psycho fund? Not necessarily a psycho fund Whatever I have said do not have any relationship with psycho funds As far as politics is concerned It is all about giving yourself to the commitment Giving yourself to the country And basically executing your roles as the DPT president Of the Republic of Kenya But where does the common monarchy come? The common monarchy Whatever we are talking about is the interest of the common monarchy And that is why we are looking Or we are pursuing the government of the Republic of Kenya So in this case, what you are saying is For a deputy president Just be loyal to your party leader And be the opposite of DP Ruto You are good to go Absolutely What do you think about that, Gerald? Okay I think that is a very important question That you have asked Where does the common monarchy come? That is the question I think Where does the common monarchy come? And if you look at our political leaders If you ask me I will say almost all of them Most of them are around three quarters They are demagogues And demagogues what basically they do They just come to play with the minds of the common monarchy They know for example you want something Or you are lacking something So they are using your need to To exploit the other two Pursue their selfish interest And when you look at identity politics Right now in Kenya Being for example These two horses as I have mentioned earlier Relo Dinga and DP Ruto You realize that they have Attracted a lot of psychophants by the way And even if you look for example at DP Ruto Which candidate do you think can you choose? Look at his history Look at his political pedigree Look at Kinture Kintike All of them is just about power sharing So the common monarchy The common monarchy is left It's left on the blues It's left hanging because It's about sharing cake, national cake And these political leaders Fighting for their political positions So inasmuch I think Remember we are not a mature democracy We are a partial democratic state Freedom house categorized us So they still allowed to learn And they still allowed that we need to do And we need to embrace as a country I'm looking at Kalanzo Musioka Is he a possible candidate For this particular position Because yes at some point Kalanzo Musioka said that you know what He should not even be put In a position where he's contesting To be the deputy because He was a vice president He has led the country in so many positions before Is he a possible candidate For this particular position? David Talking of the political stature Of Kalanzo Musioka Is something that should be held high And as one of the members Of the new Laomoja I just empathize with Kalanzo Because of his Late reactions and character Because he was the best suitor To deputies Raula Molo Dinga Owing to the fact that His more experience in politics Has been the vice president of this country He has held various positions In the government as a minister As a foreign minister Kalanzo Musioka was there during the Canwera who worked together with Moe Kalanzo Musioka lately has been a Diplomat Championing for peace Even in South Sudan He is a global diplomat And so he carries with him A lot of huge political experience