 Hello. Sorry, jumping ahead on slides but we'll give everyone a few more minutes to come on in. Good morning. How are we doing Tria? Yeah, we've got 30 folks on the line so what I was actually hoping for and was kind of holding around was the uh to get delivery folks because they're always the first ones up. Alphabetical order, right? Randomize it, start from the end or something. When I did everyone got surprised now everyone's still surprised so yeah. Yeah but uh no you're right we can we can go ahead and roll and um because slides are up there in any way so. Fresh back from holiday so remind me what this clan native thing is again. Excellent yeah. Be fine. Okay what have we got first up? You've made it to our September meeting. Yeah. Item number one. Item number two that I did not actually put on slides directly but um Jeff Brewer has resigned effective this month and we will be running an end user election so more to come on the list for that and thank you so much Jeff for the work that you've done here so. Here here thank you Jeff. Um actually before just a sort of point of clarification does that mean our things like quorum and two-thirds is based on a TOC of 10? Correct. Remember? Yes that is correct um and I have changed the vote tellies over on the other hand so um the projects that are needing TOC review are actually all of the votes today so. Okay. And quorum has been effectively changed for that. So where are we at with projects that need review from the TOC? Three votes currently out. We have Qubej, we have Rook and we have a tech lead nomination for um Prachalame Laka. So here's the links um those are currently open votes. There are some other pieces that kind of come up through the SIG updates and I will let these SIGs do that more directly but those are the big ones out there. Okay. So moving on. We tried to stall a little bit for app delivery. I will give them a moment to be able to come on in. Should we just come back to them if someone joins? Happy to but here we go they've got they have sessions and they're working on a landscape so moving on contributor strategy and I know Paris is online so. That was the awesomeest update Amy I want you to give mine too. Okay. Hi everyone how are you? We have a short update as well this week since Qubecom was last week and a ton of us were doing maintainer track sessions and whatnot but I did want to leave a couple of nuggets on the on the slide particularly yes our surveys ongoing I've been getting a lot of questions about that. The survey is really about the discovery and research for the group it's less about like like I said pulse on CNCF kind of stuff. We obviously have had a lot a lot of governance conversations clearly on the TOC mailing list with the steering committee plus we also have dims and a couple other people working on this badging concept so instead of saying like hey you have to have a steering committee if you don't meet these requirements it really would just display what they're governed it like the definition of their governance similar to like you know all their security compliance and things like that you see that you see on reading these so that the end user can make the decision if they want and good news is that today I think in a few hours I'm looking at my calendar struggling actually in a few hours the governance working group is actually meeting so if these topics are of interest to you and you want to discuss and you want to like and you have a couple ideas please come that's what they're there for it's actually a very healthy sized group now I think it's well over six people that regularly attend that love governance so we're really trying to get out the the recommendation about the badging as soon as possible we just need to do some project management there and also assign some folks some tasks and things like that so still a good time to come in maintainer circle I have all intentions of attempting to launch at least the first birds of a feather idea by the end of this month the birds of the feather would bring in the excuse me bring in maintainers I'm really just talk about what they kind of want to see from this I have several ideas but I would rather mold it with with other maintainers and what they want to see and then of course the list of proposed topics is in our repo and the contributor strategy repo if you'd like to see kind of like what's on deck I'm going to meet with CNCF Amy that's our post it I'm hopefully sooner talk about to talk about how we're going to deliver that and the next is our contributor growth group we've had a lot of good progress with collaboration on template documents there for for instance contributor guide and things like that is about to get PRed into the project template repo and we've had a lot of awesome contributors help us out with that we actually have in in the PRQ right now I meant to link it on the on the deck and did not so I apologize we actually do have the project the project health guidance PRed in as a first shot from Don and that really is kind of working on the what is project health mean because people take y'all really literally so when you're writing guidance and like requirements for graduation and if it says like much of positive project health a lot of people in projects are asking us what does project health even mean so so that guidance is under review right now from Don and we'll get that going and probably by the next TOC meeting we'll have something something to give folks another cool thing it's actually a project come to us and ask us for help so the last contributor strategy meeting we had we had several maintainers from container D online CLDR is I considered this project to be kind of like in need of a tier two contributor documentation strategy you know you it's kind of like you have a contributor guide now what you know you've got your contributor base now what so we're working with them on kind of that next level of plans and and strategy for their contributor community specifically growing their reviewer base so that's pretty much it for us and also by the way the contributor growth group is also meeting later this afternoon I think that's at 2pm pacific so might be late for some of the London folks on the call but would love to have y'all at that as well that's it I guess I have one question I am aware that there have been some discussions around the steering committee proposal while I've been on holiday and I have not read I have to speak with what what the current status is actually so I have two questions related to that one is do we need to schedule maybe having a lexus come to the TOC and talk about that proposal or have we moved on beyond that point um I feel like that might be your call okay because I kind of need to read read what's happened yeah well I mean we invited Alexis to the governance working group because that's where we talk about this stuff and Alexis is really ganko about meeting with y'all so um well I guess that relates to my second question which is I mean it seems like there's lots of activity and hopefully some recommendations you know coming out of this process do we have um I guess you know we want to make sure we're discussing what those I guess at some point are you going to present those back to us or give us things to review or how are we going to take the process of these governance recommendations through the TOC yeah and that's that's ideally what you're describing is ideally what we wanted to do we wanted to collaborate on a document together and that together as a SIG and give you all recommendations on you know either potential changes to the requirements and kind of go from there so I think our crew our crew just kind of wants to talk about it more honestly because like I said before with the project health stuff I feel like people take you all really literally so if it's like if you're bullet on the graduation requirement is open governance or steering committee people are gonna be like oh let's just do the steering steering committee it is and then we have like 50 steering committees and uh it's like do we really do we really need like all those projects have steering committee so from our perspective I feel like we just need a more holistic guidance uh and not necessarily like just throwing out the like one potential solution which for maths by the way sounds wonderful so like so from our from our standpoint like it it sounds like uh it sounds like it's a it's a great solution for for one party or project rather um and but not necessarily like a graduation requirement if that makes any sense and that's why we're kind of pushing the we're pushing Dim's idea about badging because then that puts the it puts the power in the end user to make those decisions and then also it doesn't it doesn't force the project to like make their governance into this box that we're giving so um that's that's a lot of our take I can't speak for everyone in our crew obviously like I said this is a hot topic um but I feel like from a just an overall summary perspective I think that's kind of where we are so I think Alexis also thinks that like because we're saying no when I say that in quotes um uh you know because we're saying no to steering we're not necessarily saying no to steering we're just saying no to like giving everybody the guidance of have to have a steering committee if you don't meet these requirements so um I think that's kind of what the the discrepancy is okay if I win it if I win it hard there I apologize on details that that all sounds good I think there's a lot of as I say I'm not up to speed with exactly what's happened in the last week on that uh discussion but I think you know TSE when we've um talked about it before felt like well there's plenty of scope for uh you know we need to make sure we're incentivizing the right things that we're not inadvertently incentivizing the wrong things so I think having uh more thought on that before we have a proposal is fabulous anybody else got any questions for suit contributor strategy okay uh we're gonna go back to act delivery hi Alice hello everyone sorry for being late uh but we also have Harry here there's not a lot of updates really from our side um and that then Harry speak about a couple of them as well mostly because our meetings were canceled the reason ones due to kubecom overall we consider we have a bit of a slower progress on the current working groups right now in air gap and the operator definition and are currently working on re-engaging people again like moving it into the main meetings and seeing that we get a bit more momentum there um there was a session at kubecon obviously they've just heard that from Harry that we have now approached for review so flagger seems to be um in the next one to review and overall the work that we also didn't make progress but we will share more progress um on is this is the landscape for for app delivery uh so the idea is to have like a tab that's going to have application management and delivery the main reason is that currently everything is like stuffed into like this one bucket which feels kind of weird as we have many different items um that people are looking for the various application definition uh delivery like operation side even for operator frameworks and the way to build operators we have a couple of options which is currently all stuffed like into this one uh bucket but no concrete proposal here but this is something where we will uh provide a draft in in the next meetings yes so if you refresh the slides you can see the updates what i can do hold on i mean if you refresh the slides you can see the update on that page i'll be back to one yes so so basically we are approaching more new projects to president president in the sick meeting for example flagger which is a progressive delivery system on kubernetes so we are inviting as day phone to give us a presentation to community to let people know more about that project so that project is not part of since for now but we are yeah we are looking at it so this is uh some effort we are doing and we are also approaching some other project um to see the possibility if they want to engage more with the things that um and see gap delivery uh are very happy to become the bridge between these projects and between the projects with the inside community so this is one thing we are working on uh besides that due to the sick meeting we cancelled uh because of kubika we don't have other improves or updates on the things okay yeah this is the one that i can update for myself yeah this is a good point from harry so we're also tweaking this more proactive approach to invite projects that kind of fall in our like area and ask them to present not saying you have to join the cnc afris your project but just sharing more as what they're working on as the community that's it from our side i think wonderful thank you any questions for app delivery uh a question about sandbox applications were paused in july and august so we're now doing sandbox applications through the kind of new spreadsheet process so they no longer need to go through the six our next review meeting for that is going to be next week that is a september 8th and the idea is we do them every two months going forward uh hello sig network good oh that um sandbox review is is timely potentially for some of the discussions that we have inside of sig network so um we have a little bit of a similar story a bit of a recap of some things that we were doing before cube con and we cancelled our meeting week of cube con um but um did get some good participation at cube con during our deep dive which is which is good uh so we anticipate some new faces uh coming up at our meeting on thursday um last time that we met we discussed um a service mesh working group as a as an internal track to a sig network and some of the projects the the topics that are of focus in that group um uh we had also decided upon meeting times for the working group and it concluded that we would use the main um sig network meeting time to advance on some of the service mesh working group topics um up to the point that we need to push that out of the way for other reviews or other topics uh speaking of of other topics there is um an annual review up for network service mesh um i think um elena and ed or maybe coordinating on that one i think ed is speaking of health i think he's either mentally or physically or maybe both still recovering from cube con uh but but uh the annual review for nsm is up and available for people to look at um there's a an ambassador um due diligence um in flight there's um there's a doc out there that is labeled with public preview but i'm not sure that we've um gotten to that point just yet so there's active due diligence going on on ambassador and that's that's what we've got going on i think i think that's um we're really going to be getting the service mesh working group up and going hopefully in earnest um uh in the same sig network venue for the first time this week so we'll keep our fingers crossed for a lot of engagement there nice okay any questions all right who's next hello runtime hi everyone this is cardo right so we didn't have a lot of updates i mean we had one meeting and we cancelled the other one because of cube con just like all the all the other six uh so in our last meeting we had a presentation from the tinker bell project uh and that's basically bare metal provisioning and that was a pretty good presentation and they're interested maybe in applying for something in the cncf maybe but uh they don't know yet when so that may happen in the future uh in we've been reaching out to some other communities and projects as well so we have on the operating systems for containers there's a couple of projects that we reached out to one of them is tallows they actually scheduled a meeting or a presentation for our next meeting and another one is flag car and and they haven't confirmed yet but then they're pretty similar to tallows and basically it's an operating system based on coro s and both of these meant for running containers then as far as a container runtimes there's a couple of projects one of them is trial reached out and to them and that's basically another image registry but it's written in rust and hopefully we're going to have a presentation from them then another one pending is w a w a scc which is a wasm runtime uh they're also so maybe presenting sometime in the future so i'm just thinking them in uh in and the github issue that we opened then in the a i ops space there's a couple of projects cube flow also open a github issue and a very popular project and uh in uh you know serving machine learning models and and and doing the learning part which falls within the scope of the sig so hopefully we get some participation participation from them and another project is seldom core also interested in presenting but they they haven't scheduled a meeting yet so a lot of you know reaching out to different projects so hopefully we we get uh you know presentation schedule for our next meetings so as far as the working group container orchestrated device working group we didn't have any major updates also everybody busy with cube con and existing projects we have quay that is still in progress and incubation so no new updates there so hopefully we get more traction there and you know move move support so that it goes ahead with the vote so yeah and i think those are all the updates and any yeah any questions and did somebody from the toc and step forward to lead that dd for quay now we haven't had any anybody from the toc toc step forward yet so yeah it's looking for a toc sponsor anyone is excited by that prospects do you shout the toc huh yeah okay uh right right six security all right hey this is brandon um so pretty quick updates uh i think the first one is around opa uh we recommend the opa for graduation this is based on uh the the review we did with them earlier this year um and be followed up with the maintainers just to make sure nothing much has changed in terms of security so we've recommended them for graduation from the security's perspective um the big event that we had was uh cognitive security day this was the co-locator event with cube con which was a huge success thank you everyone for for helping out with this we saw about almost 400 people in the the channel there was a good discussion um especially for one of the talks called new paradigms for this era of security which was kind of mapping um you know cia to to um distributed the cognitive concepts um we are going ahead with um cognitive security day for um cube con n a uh in november and we'll be opening cfp for that soon um so as usual um six security events as well this will be happening uh we have a couple things kind of in the pipeline um we are we have a security assessment of q-cook which is almost done we are also working on the cncf white paper um which we should have quite a bit of content at least for the next round of updates and that's that's it for for now nice all right any questions yeah okay i guess i i'd sort of have a a question and it might be a bit of a rhetorical question and it's more for other six than rather than six security i'm just wondering if based on you know the the interaction that six security are having with the security day whether that's you know something that other six you know whether doing uh events like that is a good word of engaging with the community i'm just planting that thought i think i think it is yeah just just um we um on the storage side we we um we had previously organized um planning to storage days um which were which had really good attendance when we were doing the in-person events but it kind of um we didn't i guess we didn't have the manpower to materialize it as for the virtual event this time around but we're definitely hoping to um to restart those cool yeah i think it's a great idea and we'll get more participation and more excitement about the the SIG and all the different projects and the technology so but i think six security was there first and they've been successful at it so i think maybe it would be great to try with with some of the other six as well and i'm guessing it's you know a significant amount of work to put together the the program and and to hold those events so uh you know i'm just obliging any of the other six to do it i you know i just sort of planting that thought as a possibility it's been it's been both efforts helped by i think great i don't know is it too late for north america for november i guess it would be it'd be a little bit tight we could see what we could do with if a SIG wanted to do a day or not it'd be so much happier to track for 2021 though yeah so you will do the best to accommodate on a first come first serve basis sounds fair all right uh which which is the next one up is it storage hello storage hello um okay so in terms of um in terms of projects on on the on our play for the moment we've got uh prevega we're we're still looking for a toc sponsor to work with us on the due diligence where we discussed um we just discussed in the SIG call a couple of weeks back and we've allocated a tech lead so who can work on it but it's probably towards the end of september beginning of october that we would um look to to schedule this due diligence work with the aim of having it done by the end of october so if if somebody from the TFC wants to wants to work with us on that please raise your hands we we think that prevega is a particularly interesting project and would fill a new gap uh sort of uh in in in the storage landscape for the cncf um we're also beginning the review for open ebs uh currently a sandbox project who have made a proposal to move um to incubation there are a few things that um that we need to review with with the project team and that's ongoing um there are the ti kv and rook votes which are ongoing which i believe should just be about done now and we had a presentation from the prius project um which is a project that's considering sandbox which is which is worth looking at um and also the data set uh lifecycle framework which is um an abstraction methods for for providing different data sets in in kubernetes environments and their caching of those data sets um specifically for research type use cases but i think i think the the the scope could be more generic too so so that's particularly interesting and they've just um submitted a sandbox request um the presentation recordings for the sig um are are linked there if if anybody in the toc wants to wants to have a look there um and then finally uh we reviewed and discussed the performance and benchmarking white paper uh we expect to have that published um for for final review shortly um and just uh uh you know a quick nod to to all of the work that happened at kubecon so thanks for all of that and we're and we had a good um we had a good session a good succession there um and some good q and a which was which was really good um which also resulted in some good feedback and uh and add ones to to some of the landscape and performing performance and benchmarking white paper docs which was really really useful too so we got some some new uh uh sig uh attendees as a result um and that's it for storage fantastic is there anyone else or is that put down the mall yay that wraps us up today amazing unless anyone has any other questions or business they would like to bring up okay i think we all have an extra 25 minutes of our lives just go and make a cup of coffee or whatever enjoy it make something good with that 25 minutes and see you next time thank you thanks everyone bye