 Welcome back, it's the breakfast in Plostivia, Africa. Stanford loves to go through the pages of a national daily. As we call it off the press, Tunde Kuala Wale, a legal practitioner, stands by. Tunde, it's good to have you join us this morning. Good morning, my sister. Hope you're all good. Very well, thank you for asking. We'll take a look at the leadership. We'll start off with the leadership newspaper this morning. The caption here says, 2023 CSO's kick against consensus as mode of choosing candidates. That's what you find. It's a bold caption as we head to 2023. Slam political parties for subverting popular will. Say consensus violate aspirants rights and will undermine 2023 elections. Consensus wouldn't give you presidency. Sunny tells Igbo. Well, it's really interesting to hear this argument shortly after we have the electoral act as amended 2022 and giving president to the issue of consensus as well amongst other choice. You also have President Mohammed Buhari asked NAS to raise fuel subsidy to four trillionaire for 2022. Once oil benchmark at $73 per barrel. Away from that, you also have another caption saying outrage over fresh 15% levy on Tocumbo vehicles. Insecurity resigned now not in Elder's Tale President Buhari. And just before we move away from the leadership newspaper, APC national chairman Deputy Vacate Senate seats that's also on the leadership. And Easter federal government declares Friday, Monday, a public holiday and not for everyone. I mean, not for us. I mean, it's not like we're going to experience all of that. But happy holiday to everyone who will be holidaying. Gunmen kill monarch, 23 famers in Benway state. These are the stories on the leadership newspaper this morning. Away from the leadership, our next spot of call is the nation newspaper. More appointees reside in state over electoral actor with a right there. Governors in first section 84, subsection 12 in Ondu, Quara Plateau, Aqaibom, others. Other stories on the nation newspaper. Presidential ticket, why APC can't use consensus? That's on the front page of the nation. More stories. Terrorists ask for millions of Naira ransom on train attack victims. Oshun, Ainek Claes, Oyetola, Adelike, 13 others. Legas to begin issuance of driver's license. Ajeep-lined sabotage cuts. Okay, Ajeep-lined sabotage cuts gas exports. Could oil production clips to 1.354 MBD? Buhari deplores heinous killings. Autumn calls for self-defense after a murder of 10 in Benway. North elders condemn worsening violence. And just below the red strip there, inheritance dispute. Court orders Ndubisi Kano's weeder to serve amended summons. Those are all of the stories you can find on the nation newspaper this morning on the front page that is. Let's quickly take a look at the punch newspaper and find out what's making the headlines quite almost similar, a little bit different from what's been reported. PDP consensus suffers setback. Zoning panels submit reports. And that's the board caption. Underneath, there are several riders. Disagreement over zoning, best candidates, hindering consensus plan, as what the party leader is saying. And Pitao B's aid lease condition for backing consensus. I take who busy with campaigns. Should there be campaigning or lobbying at this point and speaking, you know, we should have... You have one rotation to say it in other words. Yes, I don't know, but campaign would really be, you know, against a violation of the electoral act. Away from that, I can defend APC says, we can, I beg to take that again. I can defeat APC says, we can, that's the governor of reverse state. And Sarah Kim meets Abiyo governor once again dumping consensus. 6,000 plateau attack victims displaced, Buhari condemns killings, of course. And Oshun, INEC releases final list. Okays, Oyeh, Tola, Adeleke, others. 25 killed in fresh bandwagon attacks, governor calls for self-defense. Self-defense. Army visit father of Oshun, man tortured to death and height killers identity. Osinachi, that's the artist that was killed. Suspect says wife will, a wife ill before death, and please verify the claim. Rejection of the UTS will prolong strike, says Asu. Federal government to introduce online tracking for passport application. And the vice president, six senators support, invite APC reps. And just before we move away from the punch newspaper this morning, Niger's oil production crashed by 444,000 barrels in March, says OPEC. Kidnap train passengers not insured against terror attacks. Federal government officials are quoted to say, I mean, this is not an empathic statement to make. Northern elders be more in insecurity and ask the president to resign. Nine banks made 554 billion narrow fees commission in 2021. These is according to a report and these are the headlines on the punch newspaper this morning. And the final paper we are reviewing is the daily independent newspaper. Rising in security, Northern elders ask Buhari to resign, say president can't secure Nigerians. 2023 presidency, why Buhari gave blessings to Tinibu, Oshibajo, Amici, others. I've not dropped my presidential ambition for Senator Umaid is quoted as saying, federal government rejects 2021 world press freedom index says Nigerian press among words freest. Buhari asked Senate to increase fuel subsidy to four trillion Naira. Nigeria's crude oil production dropped to 1.354 MBPD in March, that's according to OPEC. Atma nodoya the head, issues 24 hours ultimatum to Adamu APC chairman, reps bar appointment of customs CG from outside service. During the five persons queued in fresh attacks on Binway community. And the final one this morning, Adamu Kairi resigned from Senate, Senate passes controversial Peace Corps bill. Those are all of the stories on the front page of the daily independent. Tunde Kola, well it's good to have you join us this morning. Thanks for having me. So let's have the conversation with the punch newspaper on the top corner of it. It talks about the Northern Elders asking the president to resign over insecurity concerns. I mean, it's not really in our culture or in the practice, our political environment to see leaders at every level, not to talk of the president resign, but what do you make of this? Well, I think the call by the Northern Elders forum is not out of place. The second cognizant of the performance of President Muhammad Buali which regards to arresting the state of insecurity in the country. A few days ago, Professor Wonshu Inka was also in the media where he said that President Buali lacked the capacity to relate to home and deliver to Nigeria a secure society. He also recollects that some weeks ago, President Muhammad Buali was rejoicing that in less than one year, he will soon be called a next president. When you review all these situations that I have mentioned, the impression that you get is that of the man, is that of the president, who is tired, who has admitted that there are no longer solutions to the challenges of insecurity in the country. I also remember that we mentioned on these our programs when a lot of people were making the noise that they should change the security chiefs. That once you change the security chiefs, the possibilities are that insecurity might become a thing of the past. And I argue that if you change the security, the chief security officer of the country, a hundred times, there is never that little improvement in security in Nigeria. Because we are not tackling the problem from the very roots. I have said at times that the politicians are responsible for 50% of the insecurity that we have in the country. Then you have also the service chiefs, who are there so many to be profiting from this insecurity that we have all over the land. It appears that this security is a way for the security chiefs to make their own money just like the politicians are making money in the arena of politics. But if you're going to have an improvement in security, you need to tackle the problem from the roots. In particular, with regards to what is happening in the business state and the cardinal state, I want to say... Tunde Kola, well, let's get back to this now. The Northern Elders are asking that the president should resign. We understand that we have 36 states of the federation, of course, including the FCT. That would mean that you have governors who are responsible for the estate. Why should the call be on the president to resign? Well, I agree with you. When you look at the security architecture of Nigeria, you and I would say that the governors have little or nothing to do with regards to providing security for their people. If a governor wants to use the commissioner of police, if a governor wants to use the director of GSS in their respective states, they have to take clearance from Mr. President. They have to take clearance from the idea of police from the commissioner of GSS, from the army chiefs, and what have you. Besides, like I said some other time, the security chiefs will not obey any order from any of these governors without being instructed to do so. It is for that reason we think that even though the governors take old security votes on a monthly basis. And we also do know that those of them who are serious, not like we see in the Lagos environment, where the government in Lagos has been proactive in establishing a security outfit and then a mode of financial security outfit such that they have a security transform with which they are enabled at least, so to say, 70% to manage the security environment in Lagos states. One would have expected that the governors in the other states should replicate what is happening in Lagos states in their respective states. But instead of doing this, they are not doing it. Look at the governor, Sanfara. Just last week, he went and bought the machine for the air mares and the pre-street air in Sanfara state. He had also in the past bought and presented gifts to bandits leaders, to leaders of the bandits groups, for them to sell bandits. That is his own understanding of solutions to the insecurity in Sanfara state. So, if we want the governors to be able to perform with regards to security, they probably would have to revisit the issue of state police, of local government police, of people universities having their own police. We also must revisit the issue of having a very strong local government. The local government is supposed to be the best bedrock of our defense, our first line of defense when it comes to security. But the governors are beside the local government and nobody has been able to call them to order. If President Mohamed Buwari would not resign as the other leaders are saying, as most people in Nigeria are saying, then if you have the National Assembly to impeach him and also impeach the vice president, because both of them are committed to innumerable impeachable offenses since they got into power about seven years ago. So, look at just this week too, I think a few days ago, the chairman of the Lagos came out of commerce while addressing, I think his members and others was whipping, not just with regard to the pilot state of the Nigerian economy, but the insecurity all over the federation. Benia has become a chemical, Kaduna has become a chemical, and somebody somewhere in Nassau Rock is rejoicing that in less than one year, it would become an ex-president. And then you also have directors of DSF, directors of DSF, commissioners of police, are not the different unmeaning and near-false chiefs who are just helpless in the face of this security in our country. All right, Boris, I call it because of time. Let us move to other stories also making headlines. So let's move on to the leadership and newspaper. 2023 seems to be on the lips of several people, politicians, Nigerians, and CSOs, and so many. Now CSOs are kicking against consensus as mode of choosing candidates. And from what we have been filling the body language of some of the political parties that we've been hearing or been perceiving talks of consensus for the presidential ticket, what's your take concerning this? There is no internet democracy. And most of the political parties that we have in the constitution today, the political parties are the ones who are expected to encourage, who are expected to teach the electorate the culture of voting for a candidate of their choice. But to find out, most of our political parties want a quick-trick solution. So whatever challenges our problem that they might be having internally, in order to execute rank call within their rank, they go for the peace of the Grape Act. And on to the internet democracy within the party. On to the party's begin to allow people, allow their members to vote whenever there is an opportunity to let their flag be harassed whenever they are going to have their censure or their men in their convention. They will not be able to demonstrate to Nigeria that this democracy is growing, that this democracy is workable. What we have now, like I said, is a situation of the Grape Act. And we should not throw out the baby with the past water, just because we want a quick-trick solution to whatever dynamics. Voting in party primaries, voting in conventions will generate agenda of the day. But when you surprise people's aspirations, when you ask people to come and take form, and they take this form with millions of naira, agenda of the day, you say you are going to use consensus. You have many surprise these people. You have made them unhappy. You have put an anger within the rank and file of the members of the political party. Sooner than later, those who engage in those negotiations, those dissentatements will blow out. And the things that you have either wanted to get will evaporate in your very face. So we should condemn, in all its ramifications, this culture of consensus among all the different political parties, especially the leading ones. Today, Kola Wale, I'm a little bit concerned about the sincerity of this civil society organization. We understand the back-and-forth with that section of the Constitution. I mean, the fact that the president was, there was a lot of back-and-forth with altering that particular clause. And at some point, you had the fact that that section of the Constitution, 84, was accommodated. And then, of course, it includes adopting the direct, indirect, and the consensus. So I'm wondering how, you know, where the civil society, yes, we know that we're speaking, but to what extent do we have their impact and influence on some of these issues? Because it feels like we're just going in circles and we're asking for almost the impossible at a time where we had the opportunity, you know, to exact that influence. So what's the essence of talking about it now that is now becoming an act? Because, you know, the Electoral Act 2022 has accommodated the issue of consensus. Well, let's see. I think you have been very generous with words this morning. We are not moving in circles. It's all in motion without movement. We aren't moving anywhere. Well, with regards to section 8412, I think I'm in support of Mr. President. That provision of the Electoral Act is a very, very selfish one, very, very selfish. The people who are in the legislative arm of government merely wanted to use it to deny their fellow politicians an opportunity to participate effectively in politics. Furthermore, we already have provisions in the constitution which says that appointed political officials to resign at least 30 days before they participate in any election. I should want to say that that provision is sufficient to take care of whatever anxiety, to take care of whatever ambitions that the people in the National Assembly may have. Because when you look at it, like I said before, nobody gets political appointments. If you are not either a member of a political party, a supporter of a political party, a financial of a political party, or even a friend of any of these politicians. So in a way, there isn't any difference between the people who are appointed and those who get elected as politicians. They are all playing the same game. And all of us cannot be in two places at the same time. Some have to be by appointment, some have to be elected, some even have to be behind the scenes, being the presidential and the think tank. I think that provision should be removed from the Electoral Act, rather than level play England. And another to allow these political appointees to enjoy their rights, their freedom under the Nigerian constitution to participate effectively in politics without the left or England. It might just be a little bit too late for us now, looking at the timing of the elections. Well, the court has already had them, that provisions of the Electoral Act done. All, if I were the president, required to do is to summon the political party, the leaders of thought and the national assembly to allow the attorney general of the federation. It has found that the provision from the Electoral Act, the Nigerian World Reform Commission is also empowered to do it. But to find out, the people in power today are never proactive. They never have a long deal of history that's too comfortable with the literature they're doing. They never want to stress themselves to get a better result for all the folks at the nation. All right, Vice President Kulawoli. Let's talk on all the stories still on the Pontchart newspaper. This time around, there are several stories. Let's just find one to pick here. Oshiba just six centimeters support invites APC reps. The vice president is still making consultations here and there, concerning that he's a presidential bid for 2023. Well, these are very, very interesting times. With regards to the ambition of Mr. President and the lifelong ambition of Mr. Kinobu. The vice president, you mean the vice president? No, both the vice president and the Oshiba leader, the so-called leader of APC. Their ambition, presidential ambition, in a way, there is a kind of a tangential relationship between the aspirations of those two people. So, but with regards to the vice president, I would say that under the Nigerian constitution, he has the right to aspire to become a president, and certainly have him become a vice president. There are very few people who have been vice president in any country that will not one day dream of becoming the president. It is his right. But when you take a costly look at history, the number of vice presidents who eventually became president, are not very many. It's not very good. Very few of them ever get to become president. If they are the president in whatever country or desert, they may find themselves. But what? In Nigeria, Oshiba Jama is setting the precedent by suppressing his boss, which is Mr. President Boali. When I was referring to the actual view and vision, either the individual and the social media and the newspaper, all sorts of divergent views with regards to the aspirations of Mr. Vice President. Some sit as backstabbing. Some sit as treachery. Some sit as a betrayer of Mr. Tino Buu. And because Mr. Tino Buu nominated him as Vice President and eventually got it. He also got to be contested against the same person. Some people even refer to him as the son of Mr. Tino Buu. Even Mr. Tino Buu has come out to say that he doesn't have a child who is as old as the Vice President who was part of the common president. The implication of that is that both of them are already so involved as themselves. And their supporters are already fighting parties on the pages of newspapers and on the social media. But let's give it to the two of them that under our law both have the right, a fundamental right to aspire to become president. But the truth of the matter is when you look at those two candidates, none of them is fit and proper person to become the president of Nigeria. For Mr. Oshinbato, he has been president. And on our law, the constitution shall do with the responsibility to manage the Nigerian economy. As we perform well with regard to the money mails in the Nigerian economy, the answer is no. Under his watch, under his supervision, the Nigerian economy has totally fallen. Now, but to the color more, you know the argument, of course you're a legal practitioner. A lot of persons have said that the office of the Vice President, is that a fallow worship? I mean, he has to follow the lead of the President. And if you also follow the trend, you probably would have seen a bit of a conflict at a time where the President had left a certain time outside of the country where he transferred powers to the Vice President. And afterwards, it's been a big deal because a lot actually changed in his absence. But not to dwell on that particular issue. Let's really move away and look at the issue of field subsidy and the fact that we might just be up for more spending for us. Now the President has asked the National Assembly to approve from what we were supposed to have, subsidy for 2022. We're looking at 442.72 billion Naira to 4 trillion Naira. That's a lot of money. A colossal sum of money. Now, let us assess if we find ways and means to raise that 4 trillion Naira. From where? I'm pumped into the repairs of the comatose refineries that we have all over the country. We will not be better off as a nation. I think we'll be better off. Now you are borrowing money in the way, or so to say, to buy food, to eat. Instead of borrowing money to kill the grass to cultivate agriculture, to plant your own food. That is the implication of the move that Mr. President is making of trying to borrow money, 4 trillion Naira to subsidize petroleum products in the country. In my humble opinion, that is not a relation in which this government shows the movement. We would rather fit ourselves out of fish than depend on other people to feed us. At least Mr. Dandotty has shown that building a refinery is not rocket science. If an individual can build a refinery and numerous immense plants all over the country, why would a nation of 200 million people not be able to run for refineries or thereabouts all over the country? The reason why they don't want the refineries to work is very simple. If the refineries are working, they will not require again or they will not have the opportunity to be imported petroleum products. And when they don't have the opportunity to import petroleum products, they will not be able to export Nigeria's money to send out dollars with which to go and search to provide property and send their children to school. That is a simple logic. Otherwise, I don't see any reason why we should not be able to maintain same building refineries in this 21st century. Furthermore, with regards to what you said about Mr. Shimbachal, you see only three. He is a very good speaker. He went around the country when most of the time when the president is not around, so he has tension. And I tell you, the calendar Nigeria has today require somebody who knows the nitty-gritty of economics, not a marketing, not showmanship, not only three, not excellent in debate, but as the vice-president has. The fourth is he contested. The vice-president has tried several times and several days and been able to find solutions for that problem. Also, Nupa, at his repose of the period you mentioned, I challenge you journalists to go and check the kind of contrast that we are watching when the president was away for six months, also check most of the people that he has nominated for either the minister, so the ambassador, so the members of Parastata. Each time he had dollars, had opportunities to nominate people for some of these posts. I think the so-called integrity, the so-called property, the so-called lack of corruption on the part of the vice-president is a rule. It doesn't have the wherewithal to manage Nigeria. All right, thank you so much, Barista. Thank you very much for all of your input of the press today. We do appreciate your time. Thanks for having me. All right. It is still the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. 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