 I'll let you, you guys, your life, reference that on the show. Your life. All right. Hey friends, this is Dan and Stephanie Burke. You're watching behind the scenes Divine Intimacy Radio and today is a Q&A show. The first question we're going to answer is you're very judgmental saying most Catholics are going in hell. How can you say that? How can you be so arrogant? So we're going to, I shouldn't laugh. I mean, the person's struggling. Anyway, we're going to talk about that and give you some quotes from saints. Stephanie's got a quote list from saints that Jordan provided out onto the harder thing on Instagram. So anyway, we'll answer that question and many other questions about devil in the castle and what it means to be an authentic disciple of Jesus, all that good stuff. Okay, on your mark, get set, go. This is Dan Stephanie Burke. Welcome to Divine Intimacy Radio, your radio haven abreast, your monastery of the mind where we lift our hearts and minds to heaven's draw on wisdom of the saints and the doctors of the church and the magisterium to understand how to navigate this very challenging journey called lying. Shout out to Craig and Kelly. You got some sleep tonight last night. Oh, I did. Yes. Yeah, I did. I did sleep a little better than normal last night. Not well, but better than worse. That's pretty unusual. We're going to choose the other way around, but I won't say that in public. Oh, too late. Oh, too late. Whoa. Okay. Well, it's Q&A show. As I mentioned, well, folks in New York must be listening to the free show on EWTN's Facebook page, live streaming, which we do. It's kind of cool. Grateful that EWTN are letting us do this, because we really love it. A lot of people say they like it. They like it when you talk better than me. That's true, but that's okay. All right. One of you asks the first question. We'll dive into that. Okay. Here we go. I have heard you talk about what you call an authentic disciple. Oh, no, that's not the first question. Oh, this is the first. Okay. Sorry. That's why it says number one by it. I just thought that was just like a little mark on the page. It just says it's a number one. I start from the top and go down. I know I normal pages. That's right. I ordered. Okay. So here you go. You are very judgmental, Dan Burke, saying most Catholics are going to help. How can you say that? How can you be so arrogant? Okay. So now we have to switch from being humorous and white-hearted to more serious, because it isn't funny that people are going to hell and it isn't my opinion. That's not why I say it. And all of these questions relate to Devil and the Castle, my latest book that's really having a huge impact, which is very beautiful to see. But a few people are frustrated. And the reason is because, unfortunately, in the modern church, most people are taught, or many, many, many Catholics are taught universalism, which is just this idea that everybody's going to heaven and it sort of fits with everybody gets a participation trophy. Just as long as you show up to play, you get a trophy and aren't you wonderful and good. And you don't kick puppies and you use your turn signal. So you're going to have it. So that's not what Jesus teaches. And that's really where I get that I have the strength and conviction to say it. And I say it, God willing, for the same reason Jesus says it. So in Matthew 7, 14, you actually have that quote right there. One of you switch over to it to the next down. What does that say? Matthew 7. Matthew 7, 13 through 14. Yeah. Enter by the narrow gate, for the gate is wide, and the way is easy, that leads to destruction. And those who enter it by it are many. For the gate is narrow, and the way is hard, that leads to life. And those who find it are few. Right. So I'm not out there on a limb. Jesus said it. And he knew what he was saying. Of course, he sometimes when I'm in public and people ask this question, I put my hands behind my back and I say, I have 10 marbles. And then I ask you if I told you I had few in my left hand of the 10. How many would I have? Everybody says three. And then if I said, now I switched up the marbles, hands behind the back, I have many in my right hand, or how many do I have? They always say six or seven, right? Why do they say that? Because few means something, many means something. And Jesus knew what he was saying when he used few and many. Later on in that same passage, he goes on to say that, let me tell you what your judgment is going to be like. And he's basically, if I could sort of put it in modern language, you're a really good person, you recognize me as Lord, you go to Mass, you pray your rosary, you check boxes, you know. But when you come to your judgment, I'm going to say, depart from me, I never knew you. He says that in Matthew 7.22, and they're about, well, so I'm not speaking out of turn. No, this is disconcerting, what's the answer? Well, the answer is in that same passage where Jesus said, depart from me, I never knew you. The word new translated Old Testament to new, using the same word that the Jews translated to Septuagint, is the word Adam new Eve, used when it says Adam new Eve. So there's this kind of intimacy that Jesus is calling us to. It's a very unique intimacy, Adam new Eve. It's a marital embrace and not in a sexual sense, but rather that we knew the Lord in a very intimate way, that we had a relationship with him, not in a flippant way, but really truly sought the Lord, conversed with him, listened to him, followed him closely, lived as he asked us to live. Yeah, and it's not just about ideas, it's not about checking boxes. The Pharisees checked all the right boxes, actually, or many of the right boxes, I should say, and they were the Orthodox of the day. But when he said these things in Matthew 7, he wasn't talking to the Pharisees, he was talking to his disciples and saying to them, essentially, most of you are not going to make it. And we know that also by 722. But he repeats that also in Luke, where he talks about the virgins and he says, I don't know you, but they were virgins and they were looking for the bridegroom, all of that. And it can be very disturbing, where's the hope in all of that? Well, the hope is the church and the mystics of the church in particular really answer the question, how do I get to know him? How is it that I can hear, you know, well done, good and faithful servant for? I do know him. And the answer is, in being an authentic disciple of Jesus, we have a few questions about that. Before we get to that, though, because there is an answer in its grace, in its God's mercy. And, you know, if you're disturbed by this, it's good, because it means that God is at work in you. So there is a way to be free. There is a way to know him and the church provides that. But what I want you to do, Steph, if you wouldn't mind, read a few quotes from Doctors of the Church and Saints on this question, because it really goes counter to what is taught in the church today often. Right. Okay. So for those of you that are consecrated to our Lady through St. Louis de Montfort's total consecration to Mary, he says this, the number of the elect is so small, so small, that were we to know how small it is, we would faint away with grief, one here and there scattered up and down the world. Right. That's, that's sobering. What's the next one? This is all, by the way, these are all out, if you want to see these quotes, they're out on do the harder thing on Instagram page, which is our producers Instagram page, Jordan. Okay. So here's another one from Saint Jerome, Father and Doctor of the Church. Out of 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death, scarcely one will be saved. And that one's qualified, you know, 100,000 sinners who continue in sin until death. Right. Scarcely one will be saved. And that's, there's a little bit of a secret in there we can talk about right now. Right. Saint Alphonsus Liguri, Doctor of the Church, the common opinion is that the greater part of adults are lost. You know, and I think you can see that play out in our society. Saint John Viani, the cure of ours, mystic, the number of the saved is as few as the number of grapes left after the vineyard pickers have passed. So after they've gone through it. Which means none. After the harvest, well, very few. The pickers only mistakenly leave a few. Right. Saint Philip Neary, so vast the number of miserable souls perish and so comparatively few are saved. And Saint Augustine, Doctor of the Church, it is certain that few are saved. Sister Lucia Lucia, visionary of Fatima, taking into account the behavior of mankind, only a small part of the human race will be saved. That should really kind of shake everybody, especially from her, because of the promises of Fatima and the, you know, all of the things that we're paying attention to, especially right now. Taking into account the behavior of mankind, only a small part of the human race will be saved. And from Matthew 7. Oh, yeah, we'll do it. We'll do it. It's 722. 722-23. Okay. Okay. On that day, many will say to me, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and cast out demons in your name and do, and do many mighty works in your name? And then will I declare to them, I never knew you, depart from me. So that's the one paraphrased where he has people saying they're doing all these good things for him. They're not going to make it. Some, some will say we're listening. Well, the Second Vatican Council did away with all that, but that's because they've never read the documents of the Second Vatican Council. The Lumen Gentian 14 basically says that you have to comport with all the, agree with all the teachings of the church and continue in charity in them until you die, or you won't be saved. And those who don't follow the teachings of the church will not only go to hell, but they'll incur a stricter judgment as well. So it's pretty hard hitting stuff. So, and it goes along with another question. This is why I put it in the order. So maybe read the first question in the list on the page, which is where you're about to start, when we started the show. So I've heard you talk about what you call an authentic disciple of Jesus. Why do you make that distinction? Why not just say disciple of Jesus or Christian or Catholic? What do you believe it means to be an authentic disciple? So that's really the answer to the problem that we're presenting about people going to hell. Is it not something we delight in in any way? And in fact, all that we do is order to helping people get free and to not experience that reality. But an authentic disciple's distinction I made really in some way inspired by Sherri Waddell's idea of the missionary disciple. And she and I had a pretty beautiful conversation at one point where she said she realized that you've got to be an authentic disciple before you're a missionary disciple. You have to be a true disciple. I don't think she was the exact wording I used. And thought a lot about that. Well, what does that mean? And the good thing is, is just like the question of do people go to hell or not, I don't have to make anything up. My opinion actually doesn't really matter. So it's not, you know, what do you believe it means? What I believe it means doesn't matter. The question is, what does Jesus teach that it means? What does what does the Magisterium of the Church teach that it means? What do these great saints teach that it means? When we get back from the break, what we're going to talk about is a little bit from devil in the castle and other writings and such that help to clarify this. And we'll get to this question of what, what does it mean to be an authentic disciple of Jesus? Okay, we'll be right back. Okay, reset. So during the break real quickly, I want to tell you guys something. Livestreamers. We have 50 seats left out of 500. So a lot of your good friends are going. Why aren't you yet signed up? That's my question. The Avila summit. The Avila summit on spiritual warfare and discernment of spirits. It's going to be amazing. Right. Catholic University of America, Bishop Strickland, Father McManus, Monsignor Rosetti, author of the, what is it, the diary of an American exorcist, right? Kathleen Beckman, Stephanie, I will be speaking. Catholic University of America, July 15th through the 17th. You can get tickets at spiritualdirection.com forward slash events. You don't want to miss it, but maybe not for the reason you think. I think the most powerful thing about these events is being with hundreds and hundreds of on fire Catholics. That's the most fun to me. I don't know. What do you think? Well, I mean, these are amazing people. I'm always edified every time we have an event just by being around these beautiful people. So, yeah. And I mean, the speakers are amazing. The topic is so important, especially in light of everything that we're going through right now in the battles that we're going through. So because what we're experiencing are spiritual battles, you know, this fight for the right to life for children, for babies in the womb is a spiritual battle. This is not just a legal. Oh, it's crazy out there. Yeah, it's insane. So, so come walk with, run with the saints. Saints run in packs. There'll be all kinds of saints at this event. And so I'll be seeking to know them. So I hope you will too. Come join us. Best speaker I've ever heard is going to be there, Father McManus. He's really something else. Not a lot of regular folk know him unless they went to Georgetown University. Right. He's an amazing priest. All right. So back to the show on your market. This is Dan and Stephanie Burke. Welcome back to Divine Intimacy Radio. So we're talking about the question. Why, you know, how many go to hell? Like, or what was the original title of the show? Producer man? Are most Catholics going to hell? So we gave you a bunch of quotes before the break. Stephanie read them for you. And, and the person asked this question was why, why do you, where do you get off basically? Talking about this, why do you make distinctions between authentic Catholics and what's not an authentic Catholicism? And I will tell you, not just to sell the book, but because the show is so short, and there's so much to cover, the book, the devil and the castle has the answer from Saint Therese of Avila. And from the tradition of the church, like, how do I, how do I know this kind of deeper meaning of discipleship? We were with a wonderful couple last night, very committed to the faith, could drove in from Atlanta. And we had a conversation about that about how sometimes even if you're in a spirituality or in a certain path, the path is maybe heading up the beginnings of the ascent to union with God, but then it stops. And there's, and it doesn't give you clear markings or distinctions about where to go next. And even if it's a good path to that point. And I think that's actually unfortunately really common in the church, even in the best corners of where there's orthodox teaching, but it sort of stops with, you know, don't commit mortal sin. Yeah. Well, and I think, you know, to answer the question of why do you say this? Why do you do this? Why do you teach this? Why do you highlight this, right? Why not just help everybody feel okay? It's because it's love. The answer is love, right? If you see somebody driving over a cliff, you know, let's stop them. If you see me driving over a cliff, please stop me, right? Right. Because we can't be our own spiritual directors. Because if we take on our, our own spiritual growth, we're the spiritual directees of a fool. And I don't want to be a fool. I want to be awake. And I know that I know what it is to walk in mortal sin. I know it's, you know, it wasn't all that long ago when I was just really lost. So like a month ago? It's always a growth. There's always room for growth, right? No, just so people know you're working on more than a decade of being on the right path. Well, 15 years now of serious, serious pursuit of the Lord, right? Of actually saying my fiat and saying, Lord, I don't want the darkness. I want you. And so anyway, it's, it's tough. And we need to help one another get there. And we need not to, you know, fall into this pattern of complacency of, as you say, I'm not kicking puppies. Therefore, I'm okay. It's not enough to, or I'm a deacon and I'm okay. Or I'm an ultra society member and I'm okay. Or I'm a sister or I'm a priest or I'm a cardinal. You know, it does, I'm a bishop and I'm okay. It's not, none of us, none of us can afford to be asleep, to not be paying attention, to not constantly seek the Lord. We need to abide with him in all that we do, you know, we're to love him with all our thoughts, with all our heart, with all our mind, with all our effort. And, and that means following him completely. Yeah. And so you're getting to the point that I did cover in the devil in the castle. We have a free course on it at possibly be at work on the paradigm of a cent. But the whole idea of the paradigm, which is my own wrestling with this question, okay, what is an authentic disciple of Jesus? And when you read Jesus, you get a lot of clarity, you know, he said, you cannot be my disciple unless you take up your cross daily and follow me. What is, so that's a good, hard call. What does it mean to take up your cross and follow Jesus daily? And then so we can look to the words of Jesus, we can look to the lives of the saints. And so I did that for a number of years and came up with this model that is not important, and it's not important that I came up with it, but it's a, it's a summary of the teaching of the church and of the teaching of the saints and of Jesus, which begins where you just began, which is you've got to say yes, you have to make a choice. That doesn't mean going to church doesn't mean you've said yes, doing good things that go into Latin mass doesn't mean you said yes. No, I mean, I was going to mouse for 38 years and I hadn't said yes. Right. So it's really about saying to Jesus, I'm all in my entire life is yours. Everything. I surrender to you. Right. What I think about, what I pursue, where I work, how I dress, what kind of language I use, what I consume. Everything. What I listen to, what I say, you know, how I react, what I think, how I love. Yeah. Because when Jesus was, you know, physically manifest on the earth and his incarnation, people came, he said, follow me. And one guy said, well, you know, I, what about this? And then, what about this? Right. And he said, okay, you're not suitable for the kingdom. I said, follow me. I'm calling you. I'm giving you a chance. Rich young ruler came and said, hey, I've, you know, done all this good stuff all my life and Jesus acknowledged he didn't deny that, but he, but he looked into his heart and knew there was one thing and it was well. And that was that he was attached to Jesus called him to give it up and he wouldn't. Yeah. I think, you know, if you want to know where your attachments are, yeah, sit down and kind of take a moment, go to adoration, sit and think about if these things went away in my life, whatever it is, right? My clothing, my car, my boyfriend, my health, my honor, my reputation, my status, my job, my bank account, you know, all of these things. Think about those things and think if they were taken away tomorrow, just at the flash of a moment, would it wreck you? Like would it destroy your hope? Would you go into despair? Do you find yourself going? Oh, everything but that, right? Take everything but that. Don't take that away. And all of it, Jesus is asking us to give up for him. So understanding that isn't easy. I mean, one of the best ways for people to to get their head around what it means to follow Jesus is to study Jesus and to pray with Jesus every day, which I wrote the book into the deep about. You can find all the books we've produced at EWTN's Religious Catalogs, SpiritualDirection.com, both places. But that book teaches you how to explore the Gospels with God and begin to learn and answer this question for yourself because as Stephanie pointed out, the answer is generally true for everyone. That's true. Follow me, follow him, give everything to him. But the specific issues we have to deal with that get in the way are unique to each person. Right. Yeah. Each one of the crosses that we're called to pick up and carry is unique. And I had this moment when most of our listeners know the story of when you got COVID and taken to the hospital. I was separated from you. I could not be with you. I couldn't speak to you. They had put you on a ventilator and there was a real possibility that you were going to die. We, you know, we know that story. And I went up to the little chapel in our home and I got down on my hands and knees before the Lord and had my rosary in one hand and I began to pray and I said, Lord, your will be done in all things. And I'm asking you not to take my husband because we're not ready. I'm not ready to be without him. But I will say, Lord, and I promise you this, that if you do, I will worship you still. I will love you still and I will surrender to your will. Right. That, that's what we're called to that no matter what happens, that our faith, you know, won't waver, that we'll continue to say our yes. All in, all in, all in him first, above all things and surrendering to his will in our life and what he's going to do for us, what he's done, what he's doing and what he will do in faith, knowing that his will is what's best for us. Right. Amen. Amen. Well said. So the biggest thing is your fiat saying yes, it's not just mental ascent to God. It's belief that turns into action and not just check the box action. It's learning to know and love him and thereby be motivated by that. So the actions we do or the things that we fulfill or the commitments we make or the attendance of mass or whatever is done with love, which actually has merit. Right. So, but if you do it out of I'm doing this, this work so that I can earn heaven, you really are mixed up. Right. We do need to cooperate with God and but without Jesus, you know, you can't do anything. You know, he said, I am the vine and you are the branches. Without him, you can't do anything to help yourself get to heaven. When you cooperate with him out of a heart of love, out of a passion and desire to serve and honor him, that's a different game. That's a different reality that is what we call an authentic disciple of Jesus. Yeah. And what the Lord is really asking us to do is to emulate him, to copy him. Yeah. And what is that? It's perfect selflessness. Everything from, you know, I love the chosen series and, you know, the particular scene where he's they're coming to him in droves and droves to be healed, to be touched by him and they just come and come and come. And he's exhausted at the end of the day while all the disciples are sitting around bickering and arguing. Right. That's perfect selflessness, a complete giving away to others. So we're called to love God and to love others. And, you know, it's just, it's a whole nother level of how to exist and work and live and love and serve. So if you're motivated by this to go, you're thinking, wow, I thought I was okay or this disturbing to me, which means God's probably working in you saying, hey, listen, wake up, pick up devil in the castle, go to apostoleva.org and take free courses. We don't do this for money. We're giving away all our money to what we do, not taking in more money. So it's about your soul and making sure you understand what it means to know him so that you're not one of the 10 virgins looking for the bridegroom. And then when you go to the door to enter the kingdom, he says, I don't know who you are. He said those things to wake us up. And I hope this question that was asked does wake you up and you do pursue him more than ever in your life. The church is the entire divine economy is ordered for your salvation, says the catechism. And understanding that, though not always well taught, is available to you and it's available to you for free. If you can't afford the book, take the courses and you'll understand what's in the book and don't worry about it. So apostoleva.org and with that, I think we've got to finish up. Okay. Well, until next time, may the God of peace make you perfect in holiness. May he preserve you whole and entire spirit, soul and body irreproachable at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. So before we go off the air on our live stream, Stephanie wants to tell you about two courses that are available at the Aval Institute. Okay. That are not free. No, but we have to pay professors. Yes, we need to pay our professors. So come take a course taught by Dr. David Arias, graduate level course, which doesn't mean that it'll kill you, it just means that that it's highly rigorous and wonderful and in depth. And it's introduction to spiritual theology. And then we also have Dr. Elizabeth Mitchell in the School of Spiritual Formation, teaching a course called Living at the Hand of the Lord, Life and Thought of Saint Edestein, Love Saint Edestein. So come take that course. He's a wonderful professor, Dr. Mitchell, and Dr. Arias as well. So come take the courses and then check out everything that we do at spiritualdirection.com forward slash events. 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