 And I'm happy to introduce Vivian Tamato, who is a medical doctor by profession and a midwife from the heart. With favorable stars, Vivian has traveled different countries and on different continents to support the struggle for the right to health and life with dignity, especially connecting with sages and wise men and women who continue to guard the ancient wisdom. Denouncing racism is a first look towards understanding and deep respect for the healthy practices of indigenous people. So from many countries and cultures, indigenous, midwives, men and women have shared common feelings, sorrows and joys, and strengthening hearts to continue providing love and respect for every life that asks for support. So on that note, I'm honored to introduce Vivian Tamato. Thank you, Vivian. We're glad you're here. Thank you so much. I am very honored to participate with you, with all people all over the world. And this presentation, Recovered the Sacred Births of Space from Indigenous Coordination and Contrary Zemonic Intercultural Health, is based on my personal research and experience from being only an occidental medical surgeon to becoming a midwife following my indigenous roots in the vision of my grandmothers and elders aligning my country. I am from the Quechua Nation in the Pula National State of Bolivia. We are indigenous majorities. There is wonderful, alive, ritual practices that take care of life, going beyond racism and common disqualification to this ancient knowledge. We are alive as indigenous communities because of our midwives, parteras and parteros, who assist women wherever they need to be assisted, especially in places with hard access to Western medicine. We need to remark the social determinants of health that are directly linked to the maternal infant's death, that is why we propose our indigenous wisdom as a way of overcoming unfair social structures to strengthen unites with other peoples of the world that preserve their wisdom to the site of colonialism and corporative robbery. Ancient midwives must be respected according to cultural context in every place in the world. And the main importance about taking care of Mother Earth as the first mother of all. That's why I propose this presentation. Thank you so much for being here. So here we are. The actual situation is there's a technification against contra-agemonic interculturality. With that I mean some people are talking about interculturality, about the respectful relationships between cultures, but it has to go beyond only that respect, very cynical. We need to find ways to structure social justice. It's not only about respect when there is powerful macroeconomic culture, saying that another culture doesn't have the right to succeed. I mean there is only an Occidental cultural capitalist that is saying indigenous cultures have no words. So we are fighting against this because you know now in the capitalist hegemony, we as human subjects have become another community, commodity. It's very sad circulating in the international market. For example, organ trafficking, human trafficking, cheap labor are examples of what is still remains to be seen. So it is urgent consideration for the intercultural and cultural hegemonic movement that forms a possibility and potential to rebuild and reconstruct from the perspective that we respect life and not only money. I mean one culture respects money, but another cultures are still respecting life. That's why we are here for. So we confront in question this model of macroeconomic dominant culture that respects only the finances and blind worshiping of money. That's why we are seeing, for example, of people wanting to move money in the sad situation in Europe when the banks are being saved and not people. That we propose counter hegemony into culturality. And also I have put that social determinants on health because most people in some countries say those Indians made a woman die. And that's not true because women, indigenous women die because they don't have food. They don't have a place to stay. They don't have business, business in work. So we have to fight against this. It's not of the mistake of our ancient wives or people all over the world. I mean it's the woman died during the river because unfair social structure. From every village in the world that is still alive despite centuries of colonization where for centuries cultures have survived. All communities with thousands upon thousands of human beings with their own identity, with their own roots and ways of doing things, living and healing. We propose that the real respect will come after questioning and working on social determinants on health directly. Confronting and challenging situations and living conditions which subject to disease that only by being born in a country where certain social status, these sentences yield to suffer from different disease. So it's not fair, I mean, most indigenous people are poor in their countries but poor for occidental culture is subjecting them to suffering. They take their lives, their water, their food. Also we see with Monsanto Company everywhere it is poisoning with their transgenic angels and their poisons for the earth. So we need to respect again our indigenous roots as we are because life has to be the main point. So we need to get out of this vice cycle of consumer of Western hegemonic health and medicine because we have seen it is also a business now. So we need a change of paradigm, a paradigm shift. We have been taught from the Cartesian Newtonian paradigm, I mean occidental culture always teach that there are things, there only exist something that I can see now that I can touch but our indigenous way of life all over the world, they move inside the quantum holographic paradigm. I mean quantum physics have already proved this. We move in an energetic world, we move between energetic, invisible forces, mother earth, quantum mother moon or universe is alive. So we as indigenous people are still taking care of this reconnection with the indigenous forces that take care of us. About physiological birth, for example, when you see indigenous women giving birth, most indigenous people, they always take a natural position and it's, for example, at a hospital, virginal birth is not only virginal birth in this terrible position and we need to promote a natural birth because birthing is an involuntary act like sleeping, like having an orgasm is something that our body now has to do. So most of our indigenous women, they just trust their bodies. I mean they work hard under the last day of pregnancy and most are still receiving their babies with their own hands. So we need to restore the ability and confidence in the nature and surrender to it all the way to happen. So this facilitates fluid delivery, less intervention possible. At the hospital, there are hard situations, I know, but protocols at the hospital can be timely, but most of them are timely. I mean most of them only interfere. As a doctor, I've been working also at the hospital and it is really hard how everyone has to be protected, everyone has to be with obstacles in most of the finishes in the Syrian section and it's really hard in a poor country, in poor countries in the global south, how Syrian rates are so high. That's why we need to change. Essentials that facilitates delivery, privacy, security and emotional support that you can find at home, that's why most indigenous women prefer to stay at home and that's a peace environment which is composed by people that you know they will love you, they will take care of you. Your grandmother, your mother, your midwife and also your partner, especially freedom of expression, you can walk, you can move, you can sing, you can dance. Most of our indigenous rituals have to do also with the singing, with the voice, but at the hospital, you know, people say, old woman, don't move, just stay quiet. They treat you like you don't know anything. And most especially when it's freedom to a movement, of movement and culture for the solution. And if we are at the hospital at last, at least to look for professional and respectful assistance, not for doctors or nurses that are, most of them discriminated indigenous women and they say those Indians, those Indians, they get birth like animals. It's so unrespectful, unrespectful in most places yet. So our indigenous wisdom, we have natural processes to address the pain with health, with rituals, keeping the environment as once as possible. This, that's very important to change. Lytocin in labor, a questionable practice. It is a paradigmatic element of a healthcare model. This position has to do with subnation of women. I mean, women are still treated like if they don't know what to do, if they lose their authority of their body. When you get into a hospital and get laid down, it's like you both feel respected. I have researched about this. And it's really sad how women feel very, very impulsive, not only uncomfortable but also understated. And you see this, another beautiful picture. Most indigenous women in shared cultural codes, they take this vertical position like very natural because the position is also related to the male subjugation. This important meaning of position is very important for us and that's the quality that is causing. Because for us, Mother Earth is the land, you know, gravity force. Mother Earth is calling the baby. So you know you are doing this alone, because Mother Earth is helping you to get down and she is also giving you your force to deliver. So we need to respond to this beautiful force to connect with that. And you see this picture, who is helping too? Here the doctor is on business receiving the baby and it's from an old picture. But you know now in hospitals it's really different. So now for whom it's convenient to send out for the doctor or it's convenient for the woman to lay down. So we need to be sensitive, recover the sensitivity and recover our verticality or our freedom of movement, human views. You see this position, in this drawing she is taking a roll. Sometimes it is a mark or something you put on the ceiling and it's really easy. And then it is drawing from my own culture also, from indigenous customs. And you see also by the German paper, I found this drawing, there is also a vertical position in this building chair and this more ancient also a building chair and vertical position. So vertical position has been natural all over the human history. Now, I love the researchers of Michael Odent and Carol Dente who has found so beautiful examples and these have moved me as a doctor to feel strength that need why we must be respected. The first hour after birth is a critical period in our development of the ability to love. We must take care of it. For example, the hormones that are produced during a beautiful birth oxytocin is always present and oxytocin is prolactin. It's a cocktail of hormones that Michael Odent says. Oxytocin is stored in any aspect of love. In men or women, also in the breast milk, it releases more insulin in the feet. It stimulates insulin contractions and it's inhibited by the neocortex. I mean, we must become very, very intuitive inside our bodies without letting anyone tell us what to do, what to stay, what to how to breathe. No, we just need to get inside for a beautiful building. We just let women do what she knows what to do. But adrenaline is always fighting against oxytocin. It is good for us when we need to escape. It is good for us when we are testing to protect us. But adrenaline, when it's produced during this, it just causes the stopping of building and the problems after that. So in a beautiful environment, when you feel loved with your midwife, your daughter, at your home or a place that you feel safe, oxytocin is very easily released. And in our indigenous tradition, we take care of a lot of heating and heating also promotes oxytocin. We do a beautiful stem bath with aromatic herbs. Beautiful ones like camomila, rosemary, sage, and in the smell of nightly and also helps getting the perineal very soft so we can go on with the birth. It's very beautiful what we still know. Our indigenous midwives, they didn't know about hormones. They didn't know about why the 2060s had problems. They knew it because of their experience in connection with life. So you see this beautiful painting of Alex Ray, how everything is a natural process, an energetic natural process from the beginning. So we are energetic beings. Life is so much magical that we have ever learned. And most of our indigenous cultures are super-serving that wisdom, but it's because of racism and discrimination they are suffering. That's why I sent for our ancestors our midwives. And you know that options for an Occidental woman, we all have, all women in the world have the right to deliver whatever we want. That picture has been taken in Brazil. They have due the matter for their whole at home. And most women are now organizing. So also for Occidental women that go beyond the stage of the hospital, go beyond the authority that those steps have, they are getting organized all over the world. And we have our choices in Western cultures, building in water and building at home. And also you see that beautiful midwives organizations all over the world like this organization now, that also we have to continue fighting for the right to be wherever we want, with whomever we want, because it is a very beautiful, sacred moment. That's why we have our midwives, our ancient midwives. The midwives all over the world from the culture, we have ancient legal statues all over that always show a woman in verticality and also being helped by someone. And this beauty is beautiful, it's a Mapuche. She is taking her pulse and by her pulse, she can know if the woman, most midwives know here in the Andes, if the woman is already a stone, if the baby is breached or if whatever is going on is happening, no, it's very wonderful how they work. These are beautiful midwives from Oaxaca, from Mexico. And these are in Mexico, they are very organized. In Mexico also they have their organizations, but we need to continue promoting that organization. And you know here in this another one, they are making the Meta, they are making the offering for Pachamama because it's very important. Those are midwives from Peru. And here we see the picture of the ancient midwives here in Titicaca Lake where I have learned from them the rituals that we have as Andean culture. They are very white women to know how to resolve problems when they emerge. And also my heart was thinking by this beautiful group of Maya midwives in Guatemala. This is me and this is my partner from People's Health Movement and we have a go together to meet those amazing Maya midwives. Most of them wouldn't even speak Spanish, they only speak their language and they had to buy the three killings in the 90s because being indigenous, what kind of a thing the army would follow them and kill them. But they have to buy that as a culture because they have the rituals of killing. Our female rituals include killing your pain, killing your heart, killing what you feel. So it is also part of this building, Mayan Building House. They take you with ancient wisdom of a pregnant woman. Every consultation is a beautiful ritual and also the day of the building day is an amazing ritual with grandfathers fire, touching with the ancestors because you know we are not alone, we have come from a line of people. Those are our ancestors. So we call on them for the health and also for that magnificent force that has given us life. And those are beautiful cultures in Titicaca Lake and Titicaca Lake and they have preserved also the healing wisdom which includes the building. I mean healing health is more than thinking about hospitals, thinking about pills. It's a way of life. We need to have dignity in life, to not live with humiliation. I mean to have a proper house, to be respected where we work, to have food, to have water, that is also health. So I have met all those wonderful people. I know they are also fighting to preserve their rights because corporations are taking their land, their water. So we need to stand together because otherwise all of us will continue being part of that model of life, of that model of Western culture that only respects money. And you know in different cultures I have found goddesses of Cyprus. I'm making actually a research and this is a Mayan goddess, Ishelle. She is the goddess of fertility, of also the meeting and the model of water. She is very close to doing this. And this is from an island center. I have found also in Ireland these beautiful rowing that shows how modern life, modern life and ancient forward, feminine forward is taking care of us. And this is a goddess I have found from Greece. This is another goddess of building that I have found in Japan. And this is also another goddess I have found in pre-Christian cultures. And those goddesses of building have always been part of us as human beings. I mean we are not alone doing our thing. We are always surrounded by an invisible force, very beautiful that is taking care of us. We can call it in different names. We can call it in different cultures with different things. But the fact is that how building is a sacred act. That's why we have goddesses of Cyprus in every culture that has preserved their knowledge. Because we know we are not alone and we can call on their help. I know that maybe I have saying something very strange for someone. But you know Midwight is only a channel. Midwight is only someone who is channeling that energy and who is helping. But when you know in your heart that you are surrendered and protected by that beautiful force and everything goes just right there. And so for this I have a conclusion reflection. And I know that we have come from different cultures, different way of seeing things, way of seeing life. But it has to be also with the respect of who we are. The wisdom of our ancestors are still alive in different places in the world. And you know our indigenous healers, our indigenous Midwights they do the best possible to take care of life with what they have. So go to another and from the other it's not an intellectual problem. It is a health problem, a problem from the heart. Of course we have to study the another one. Indeed it is easy some must do, it's an obligation. But to understand is something different. Knowing the life of the people to make the necessary question that leads to knowledge, scientific knowledge doesn't come out but from the heart of the brother or sister. Only then it is possible for people to take their own world and to go into another world. Otherwise you may go and return but without understanding. Taking health that is life because you imagine that they are weak. The feeling in the earth because you see it as a disease. Or violating water with your indifference. You can go to many worlds but if the heart is not ready we will not see anything. I mean this, all this magical wisdom has been a life costing a lot of blood, a lot of feelings in different cultures. Because you know in Europe so millions have died because they were considered wicked. Also here in indigenous regions most of our heroes were killed because they were considered wicked. But it's not witchcraft. Quantum physics is proving for Western model of life that benefits more than we see. That we are energetic beings into an energetic beautiful life force which we call such a mama which we call our first mother and when we poison our mother we won't have health, we won't have food, we won't have water. So how can we live if we poison our mother? So this is also a reflection that we must take care of life as a whole. And also when we talk about goddesses of birth it's like every woman becomes a beautiful goddess because we are part of that huge, huge force. So we need to reconsider that and recover the sacred birth space as a human right for every woman in this world. Our babies have the right to be received with tender, with love and in safe environments respecting where we come from, respecting what we are. So I encourage you to go from one heart to another heart to find different worlds and to reconnect with that invisible forces that take care of us. Whatever you name it they are always taking care of us and it is the force of our ancestors. We didn't have come from nothing, we come from our beautiful lineage of grand-grandmothers, grand-grandfathers that are still taking care of us. Like we want to do for the ones that are coming. This is the biography, the biography is someone who is interested, can contact me. Thank you so much. These two hours are for you. Thank you for your attention. Thank you Vivienne. What a beautiful, wonderful presentation. Many appreciative comments have been made in the text box as well. So now we can certainly take some time for people to ask some questions or make additional comments. And let me see here. I'm not so sure that there was any specific questions, just lots of impressive comments. Actually I am very honoured to participate. Thank you all that have been listening. Thank you all for taking the time for hearing me. I know I am a little, I always consider myself like a little aunt, like a little ornidita because we are millions that are working on this earth to get this world a little bit better and especially midwives. Midwives all over the world are the sacred guardians of life, the sacred guardians of this world to become a little bit better and it can be achieved only with strong hearts, with love in the heart, love for life. So thank you so much. So I will continue responding to your questions. Thank you again. I will respond a little commentary. Does anybody have a particular question for Vivian? I see. Yeah, in the chat. So maybe Vivi can answer some of those. That'd be great. And I think she was heading towards. I'm just hearing the wonderful comments you do. I hear some questioning. You just had some ideas on how we translate this in following an education woman. I mean it comes from your heart, Vivian. You need to reconnect with your ancient lineage. You come from beautiful ancient lineage, no matter where we are in the world. So we can reduce the fear because it's reconnecting in the wisdom of our body. And here's Teresa says, how do you call upon your goddess when you attend a woman? It's a beautiful ritual that we do with our brother fire, with our health, especially during the day or during the night. We have a specific ritual, a beautiful one. And this is still alive in my country. Most of the Latin America is full of ancient indigenous wisdom. That's why we need to face racism, face discrimination. Because our ancient elders, they know a lot of beautiful wisdom that is being covered now by quantum physics. I do a test build and I also support a lot of home building. I was trying it and I've learned meeting and traveling all over different places to meet those beautiful midwives, parteras and parteros. If anybody has any questions, anyone wants to say something? I would like to base my camera to show what I am wearing. Actually, now I have decided to wear this for my grandmother. And also we wear like that in most indigenous places in Bolivia. And I have decided to wear this because they give me strength. Because I know that our grandmother in the world has taken care of the world for us. So everyone deserves a beautiful teacher for the children and their grandchildren. And also coming from an indigenous nation, I know that it's very important to connect to the earth. Maybe a lot of has been lost, but we need to reconnect with what is still alive. We need to reconnect with that ancient wisdom. Griselda Simonelli from Argentina is a beautiful friend. She says how to promote this wisdom from where we are in the world. Griselda, tenemos que conectarnos desde donde estamos con la luna, con la tierra, con los otros cuerpos, respetando nuestras menstruaciones, incluso. We need to connect with our body. Our body is part of Mother Earth, is a little part of that little, huge body. And also respecting our bodies, respecting our menstruations in the ritual cycles. And menstruation is very sacred for women. It starts all over there. Since we are little children that menstruation is awful, that being a woman is so hard because we won't get a very well-paid, we will be violated, we will be arrested or whatever. If a woman races in that environment, we need to feel that won't. It has also a lot to do with pregnancy. That's why we have our ritual fires to heal our pain, to heal whatever is hurting inside our hearts. Does anybody have any comments? It does look like there were many questions if you looked back in the chat. Did you end? Not so sure you were able to answer all of them. You've been invited to speak at ICM. What an honor. Did you see all of the questions? There was one from Lemon Clarke. Yes, I did see that one up there earlier. Yeah. I see a question. The non-clarke, Dave Bolivia supports the case of indigenous midwals. Actually, my president is indigenous. My president, Evo Morales, he comes from the Amara Nation and he supports a lot with indigenous traditional ministry and it is also supporting a lot in health. But, you know, gringos don't like him. The US government doesn't like him because he is fighting for the rights of the people, of the most abandoned people. And, you know, racism has a lot to do still with our medical colleges in Bolivia, so we need to fight against it. And our government supports it a lot because we are indigenous majority. Also, coming back to this beautiful experience, since we have some more time left, actually this presentation, I've been in different places where I get invited. And it takes me about one hour and one hour and a half because of different technical issues that I also see. But I want to offer you a gift that I have received from this. I will teach you a midwife. I have learned from them. I was with them in 2006. But then I have found also very huge inspiration in my midwife. And, you know, for our indigenous wisdom, when your heart is sad, it is not normal. When you are sad or depressed, it's not natural. I mean, sometimes it's like when you are sad, you have to go to work, you have to continue doing your things. In Western culture, they don't respect how you feel. But in our indigenous culture, when your heart is sad, when you are feeling pain, you must feel this. You must have joy in your heart. That is a healthy situation. So I have learned from this beautiful, ancient, elder, midwife, Mayan, from the Maya culture that when my heart is sad, I don't go to attend beer, as she said. I send somebody else. Because, you know, from your heart it comes the real strength for being there. You have, I don't know if you have heard about steroid outcomes. Quantum physics is showing that our heart has a steroid that comes very beautiful. Our heart is sending the signals to the brain so we can go on in life. But when your heart is sad or disturbed, everything gets lost. So I have learned from this beautiful Mayan elder that when my heart is sad, I cannot go to attend any wedding. I must be strong and happy to go there with love, with care. The energy of love that has been so underestimated. We are human beings because we need to be loved. And the love for life that will continue, that will help us to want to continue being alive. I have seen in Europe such highways of suicide. It is so sad how people have lost that connection with love for life. It has to do with building. It has to do how we are feeling this world. If we want to feel that those sad wounds in the world, we need to feel better. Because various things are hurting now. Palestine hurts. And it's hurting the world everywhere. Africa hurts. And it hurts also how companies change the water of our indigenous people, how mining companies are changing them. We need to present that love for life. And it's hurting building. That's why I have decided to share this with you. And please, it's done, done little gifts that are from midwives to another midwives that are listening. Do you feel that you are very supportive, that you are very loving, and that you are very necessary for this world? Do you see the question, Viviane, about do you feel that when you learn from the traditional middlethey is enough, or would it be good to fill it with medical middlethey training? You know, I am a surgeon doctor. Also, I have studied part in Bolivia and part in Belgium. And I have seen huge differences. Not only as a doctor I support this, but especially as a midwife. And I have decided to recover my ancient roots because I have seen that this is also effective and tender and faithful care that I have learned as a doctor at the university while attending this. I mean, when I was learning as a doctor, I say, I don't want to come to a hospital so they can cut me and they pinch me and they don't respect me. That's why I decided to follow my roots. And I know it has to do a lot also with racism. That's why I felt so necessary to share this presentation with you. Thank you so much for the ones that have taken interest in this. Of course, medical occidental services are good for emergencies, are good for lives when it's necessary. But we see now an epidemic of cesarean. In such poor countries, it's innocent. It's not moral to think huge cesarean race just only because of the mourning of the private sector and also the mourning that is extended in cesarean. That's why we need to promote also our indigenous wisdom that is, I mean, it's not for a business. I have been also in theaters with midwives and wherever I have made midwives or midwives, they work because it is a calling from your heart. It is a calling that life is giving you. If you don't feel your heart, things are not going to be good. And you know, we know that. And I have learned from them that that work of midwife or healer of shaman from your community is a service calling. And you do not do it for money. You do it because you love your community. You love your people. That is what is lost in Western culture. That is what is lost in universities. That's why I encourage you to follow your heart also. I encourage women that are not midwives also to do that. You can go with a tender hand to say to someone, some other woman, oh my dear sister, please be kind. Everything is going to be good. Don't be afraid. Here we are. Here we are women supporting another woman. Our wounded, the youths, they need to be healed. There is a lot of racing. Do you see the news in India? Racing is such a cover thing. And also in our country, racing has become such a horrible thing. We need to feel that with our mutuals, with our support from woman to woman. If I feel my wounds, with my wounds tender and with my loving wound, I will go to another woman to say, oh my dear sister, you can do that, please. Whatever you have suffered, it can be healed. And we can heal this with love. And I have seen that at hospital, you also feel very unrespected and wounded from time. That's why our midwives must be respected and encouraged to go on. Also to you all, we need to feel our woman wounds. We need to feel whatever that has been hurting us. So we can have this fire from heart to heart. That is why our indigenous wisdom is still alive because it has come from heart to heart. Our elders take care of this from heart to heart. Vivian, you continue to inspire many people on your presentation with your passion and your heart and your commitment. And with that, I thank you immensely. Do you feel like you have covered everything you wanted to discuss? I know you could go on. To regain this trust in, to regain that feeling that we are not only what we seem, we are more than we seem. We are spiritual beings with a beautiful body. We are spiritual beings that are working in this life, interconnected one another. That's why we need to re-take the sense of community, human community. Our indigenous communities have preserved this. It's very sad how to see Western mother culture show that as individualism as the only way of life that is not true, we are not born to be alone. We are in contact with it embraces when it's huge and to be hugged, to be loved. That's why we encourage. Our building process is to be more loving, more tender. That's why we encourage babies to be put in the arms of their mothers immediately. Please, I encourage you all to look for your answers to lineage, but also look for the wisdom of earth. If we take care of earth, everything is going to be good. Everything is going to be good for us, healthy and beautiful in building a life. Here we call it sumah kaltai. Sumah kaltai is the way of living the most beautiful possible in the most beautiful way. So I invite you all to live in the most beautiful possible way. That's why we will be able to change things. Even though if we feel small or alone or whatever, but you know that we are millions working in this life that wants to take care of life, that with that little grain of beauty put in this world today, that will help. So I encourage you please, that feel very loved, especially midwives in the world. We need more midwives, but it is for healing our entire world. It's not only a movement for a midwifery movement, it is for life. It's for entire life that is very wounded now. So we need to feel that warmth with strength of our hearts. With the tender and loving tender care of our hearts, it is very powerful. Thank you so much. Your passion is showing through. There is one question here from Mel. She says, it is hard to maintain and preserve that undisturbed birth path which allows free flow of hormones in a hospital environment. Midwives often are hand tied with documentation and policy. Any suggestions for making the thousands of midwives working in hospitals? And we only have a couple of minutes. For this, I have seen that working in Belgium, I have seen our midwives, the trainees, a university midwife, that also have to fulfill schedules, they have to fulfill the hospital time like the doctors. But it is not based on the models time, on the babies' unique time. We need to gain respect to organize and say again that every woman is unique and must be respected in their time. That's why we have high rates of silence because no one has the time and patience to stay beside a woman, helping her, taking care of her, no matter if it takes eight hours, ten hours, one, two, three days. So we need to go organize and set up for the right of respect our time, our body's time. It is so disconnected in Western culture, maybe they won't understand at first, but if we unite, if we gain more women to be respecting their body, respecting their time, they will have to hear us. So I advise you to organize and pass this fire, respecting our life, our time, our body one by one, so we need to organize and make it listen to Western medical culture. Thank you again Vivienne. I'm now going to return the recording.